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GLAD TO HEAR YOU. VOICE OF GOD, COUNCILMAN WHO'S NOT SOMEHOW ON THE. HAVE YOU SEEN WEIRD SCIENCE? KHALIL? ARE YOU OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER? YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU.

METRO TV. WE WILL BEGIN IN 87 SECONDS.

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GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF LABOR AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 3RD. IT IS NOW 304 STANDARD APPLE TIME. I AM

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CHAIR, COUNCILMAN BEN WEBER. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61826 AND COUNCIL RULE 5AI AM JOINED TODAY BY MY VICE CHAIR, CRYSTAL BASS, BY COMMITTEE MEMBER KEN HERNDON, BY COMMITTEE MEMBER, VOICE OF GOD, KHALIL BACHCHON BY COMMITTEE MEMBER JOSE RAYMOND. BY COMMITTEE MEMBER HUDSON BY NOT COMMITTEE MEMBER, BUT ADVOCATE FOR ALL THINGS LOUIS ANTHONY PIACENTINI. YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WILL THE CLERK READ

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THE TITLE OF THE ITEM? ITEM ONE A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL OPERATING BUDGET

[1. R-014-26     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT’S CABINET OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR A VENDOR TO CLEAN AND TREAT THE KING LOUIS STATUE (WIEBOLD STUDIO - $205,000). Action Required By:  August 26, 2026 Sponsors: Anthony Piagentini (R-19), Ken Herndon (D-4)]

ORDINANCE APPROVING APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NON COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT. CABINET OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE VENDOR TO CLEAN AND TREAT THE KING LOUIS STATUE. $205,000. READ AND FULL.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SO MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMITTEE MEMBERS JEFF O'BRYANT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAD THE NONCOMPETITIVE CONTRACT FOR THE CLEANING OF THE KING LOUIS XVI STATUE. AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE STATUE WAS VANDALIZED IN THE MAY 2020 PROTESTS WITH QUITE A LOT OF GRAFFITI AND SOME OTHER DAMAGE TO THE PIECE, INCLUDING ARM, CAME OFF. SOME ELEMENTS OF THE HAND WAS ALSO WERE ALSO DAMAGED. OVER THE LAST YEAR WE DID THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS ON THE STATUE. THE GRAFFITI REMAINS. WE HAVE PUT THE CONTRACT OUT TWICE TO REMOVE GRAFFITI ON THE STATUE. BOTH TIMES WE CAME BACK WITH ZERO BIDDERS ON THE STATUE. SO WE HAVE GONE WITH A GROUP. CITIZEN REACHED OUT TO ME AND SUGGESTED A COUPLE OF CONTRACTORS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK. WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH SEVERAL CONTRACTORS OUTSIDE OF THE RFP PROCESS. AGAIN, WE WE'VE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THROUGH WITH PROCUREMENT ON THIS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE DID GET WEBUILD CONTRACTORS OUT OF THE CINCINNATI AREA. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO COME AND REMOVE THE GRAFFITI. IT WILL BE IT IS BEING STORED. IT'S INSIDE A BUILDING AT SEVENTH AND INDUSTRY. SO THEY'LL BE COMING TO REMOVE THAT GRAFFITI AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THERE. BUT JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A INSIGHT INTO WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A NONCOMPETITIVE CONTRACT. WE REPEAT IT JUST SO EVERYBODY HEARS ME SAY IT. WE DID GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS TWICE AND RECEIVED ZERO BIDDERS IN THAT COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS. THANK YOU. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT. WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN DOCTOR PAUL MCCARTNEY, COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS, AND COUNCILMAN LINDINGER. MY QUEUE IS HATES ME. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIVE.

EXCELLENT. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO JUST WANT TO THANK JEFF O'BRIEN AND HIS TEAM FOR THE WORK ON THIS. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY THING TO GET DONE, BUT I DO THINK THAT AS MUCH AS IT WASN'T EASY, THAT IT DOES. AND ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THIS WAS REALLY THE BEST OPTION. WE FOUND ANOTHER OPTION, BUT IT WOULD HAVE MEANT MOVING KING LOUIE AND ALL THIS IN ORDER TO GET IT CLEANED, AND THAT WOULD HAVE ADDED COS AND COMPLEXITY AND RISK AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS. SO UNLIKE WHAT WE HEARD FROM SOME WHO PURPORT TO WORK ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC ART IN THIS COMMUNITY, I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DIGGING INTO THIS AND FINDING SOLUTIONS. WE FOUND A SOLUTION. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW BUCKS WITHIN A BUDGET THAT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED YEARS AGO. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION PLUS MULTIPLE BUDGETS THAT REINFORCED OUR DESIRE TO GET THIS DONE. AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO GET IT DONE, OR BETTER TIMING TO GET IT DONE, THAN DURING A 250TH CELEBRATION IN WHICH WE CAN, ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE WORKING ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PLACE KING LOUIE AFTERWARDS, MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN, I DO WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE KEN HERNDON, WHO'S MY CO-SPONSOR ON THIS. I THINK KEN HAS DONE YEOMAN'S WORK ON TAKING A LOOK AT THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF PUBLIC ART. I APPRECIATE HIS EXPERTISE.

I THINK KING LOUIE IS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PUBLIC ART. I KNOW HE'S LOOKING AT AND HAS INVITED ME TO TAKE A LOOK WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, AND I THINK I ALSO WANT TO PUBLICLY STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING MONEY TO FIX THIS AND TO GET IT BACK OUT IN THE PUBLIC. I DO THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS OR VISIT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, A PROCESS TO GET UP TO SPEED ON IMPROVING PUBLIC ART AND MAINTAINING PUBLIC ART. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, $1 BILLION OVERNIGHT. BUT I THINK THIS IS PART OF LET'S GET DOWN THAT ROAD, GET A STRUCTURE THAT WE BELIEVE IN AROUND PUBLIC ART, AND THEN PROPERLY BEGIN FUNDING IT IN A WAY THAT'S MEANINGFUL AND THAT THE PUBLIC BROADLY ENJOYS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S

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SUPPORT. THANK YOU. COULD NOT AGREE MORE ABOUT CREATING A SUSTAINABLE FUNDING STREAM FOR PUBLIC ART AND REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT. ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE? JOSE. COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND, THANK YOU. JEFF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS. SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT BE ABLE TO. SO THIS DISCUSSION HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT TO COUNCIL. THE MONEY HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THIS PROJECT. YES. IF WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CLEANING OF IT, THAT MONEY COULD BE MOVED TO SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, NOT WITHOUT NOT WITHOUT COUNCIL ACTION. SO THIS IS PART OF THE FY 24 BUDGET. I BELIEVE IT'S EITHER FY 24 OR 25 CAPITAL BUDGET. SO AND IT IS AN ENUMERATED PROJECT SPECIFICALLY STATING THAT WE WILL DO THE STRUCTURAL REPAIR AND GRAFFITI REMOVAL OF THE KING LOUIS STATUE. LIKE I SAID, THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS WERE COMPLETED LAST SPRING AND SO THE GRAFFITI WAS TO HAPPEN AFTER WE'D DONE THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS. AND WE JUST UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF BIDDERS ON THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE TO GO THIS ROUTE.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE AUTHORITY JUST TO DO IT HAD WE HAD A RESPONDENT TO THE RFP.

GOTCHA. THANK YOU. AND THE CONTRACTOR IN THIS CONTRACT DIDN'T BID ON THE RFP. WERE THEY JUST NOT LOOKING FOR NEW WORK AT THE TIME? NO, I THINK THAT THEY I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY GOT THE RFP. I MEAN, THIS GROUP IS THE THESE GROUPS ARE IN HIGH DEMAND TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK ON A ON A ANTIQUE. I'M GOING TO SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO DENIGRATE IT, BUT AN ANTIQUE MARBLE STATUE. THIS IS A GROUP THAT THIS IS A GROUP THAT HAS DONE SIMILAR WORK IN CAVE HILL CEMETERY. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE JUST KIND OF OUT NOW SHOPPING FOR GROUPS SPECIFICALLY VERSUS TRYING TO TO FUNNEL THEM THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. OKAY. GOT YOU. SO COULD I RESPOND ALSO, COUNCILMAN. SO SIMILARLY I MENTIONED THERE WAS ANOTHER GROUP THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT. THEY ALSO DIDN'T GET THE RFP.

THEY ACTUALLY WORK LARGELY ON MONUMENTS IN WASHINGTON DC AND SORT OF THE EAST COAST. RIGHT.

SO THEY ALSO, I DON'T THINK BID ON ANY OF THESE THINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO BUT WE SORT OF REACHED OUT TO THEM PERSONALLY AND SAID, HEY, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. RIGHT. YEAH. AND I TO ELABORATE. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THE WE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THREE GROUPS OUTSIDE OF THE RFP PROCESS, THREE GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US BY CONCERNED CITIZENS, THE GROUP THAT COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI JUST REFERRED TO THAT GROUP. THEIR PREFERENCE WAS FOR US TO THE METHODOLOGY THEY USE TO REMOVE GRAFFITI FROM STATUES INVOLVES LASERS. THEY THEY WERE ASKING US TO TEMPORARILY MOVE THE STATUE TO PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT OPTION. THEY ALSO COULDN'T GUARANTEE US A SLOT FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO GET THE WORK DONE. SO I DIDN'T SAY THIS AT THE TOP. I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS. THIS WORK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, WILL TAKE 3 TO 4 MONTHS TO COMPLETE. IT'LL TAKE US A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET EVERYTHING SET UP WITH THE CONTRACT. BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THIS THING EVEN WAS ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THEN IT WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS AFTER THAT TO TO ADDRESS THE PIECE. SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS WHY THAT GROUP WAS DISQUALIFIED. THERE WAS A GROUP OUT OF CONNECTICUT THAT WAS ALSO LOOKED AT. THEY ONCE THEY GOT INTO IT AND DID SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THE PIECE, THEY THEY DECIDED THAT THAT WAS WORK THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE FOR US. SO THIS WAS THE REBEL GROUP WAS THE ONE GROUP THAT MET OUR PARAMETERS, FELL IN LINE WITH OUR BUDGET, AND WAS WILLING TO DO THE WORK IN A SUITABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS TIMELINE WAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR ANTICIPATING THAT. DO. HAS THERE BEEN A DECISION MADE ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE STATUE AFTER IT'S RESTORED? NO, THERE'S NO DECISION ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE STATUE AFTER. I WILL SAY THIS JUST BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND I'M THIS IS NOT PLEASE, THIS IS NOT ME STUMPING FOR MONEY FOR THE STATUE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO EXPEND THE FULL BUDGET THAT WE HAD FOR RESTORATION AND RECITING OF THE PIECE. SO THAT WILL HAVE TO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS AFTER WE GET IT, AFTER WE GET IT CLEANED. OKAY. AND THEN A COUPLE MONEY QUESTIONS. I KNOW THERE'S YOU CAN'T PUT A VALUE ON SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENT TO AN OBJECT. IS THERE AN ESTIMATED VALUE THOUGH OF THIS STATUE. YES. IT DOES HAVE AN ESTIMATED VALUE. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO WHAT IT IS JUST FUNNY. JESSICA KINCAID, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIES. WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH A FINE ART APPRAISAL APPRAISER TO VALUE OUR ENTIRE COLLECTION, AND THAT WAS DONE TWO YEARS AGO. AND AT THAT TIME, THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE STATUE WAS $60,000 AND THE INSURANCE VALUE WAS 100,000.

THANK YOU. AND JESSICA, YOU MIGHT STAY THERE. HOW MUCH WOULD A SIMILAR NEW MARBLE STATUE COST? I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAZARD A GUESS AT THAT, BUT I CAN DO SOME COST SHOPPING FOR YOU AND GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY? THANK YOU. MCCUE IS BACK. COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU.

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CHAIR. DIRECTOR KINCAID, YOU CAN COME BACK BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS FOR YOU. CAN I HAVE A COPY OF THAT APPRAISER AS SOMEONE WHO, UNTIL I WAS HERE, WAS AN APPRAISER. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE APPRAISAL. THE METHODOLOGY, YOU KNOW, WAS THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE IN PLACE? WAS IT LIKE WHAT WE WOULD CALL LIKE, A SKYHOOK APPRAISAL, CRANE HOOK APPRAISAL WHERE YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE, WE'RE IMAGINING IT'S IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, CAN WHAT DETAILS CAN YOU GIVE? YEAH. SO WE PROVIDED THE FULL CATALOG OF PUBLIC ART TO THE APPRAISAL. WE USED CASA SYKES IN CINCINNATI.

THEY TOOK THAT CATALOG. THEY DID DO ON SITE INSPECTIONS. WE PROVIDED THEM WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTATION OF THIS SPECIFIC STATUE THAT WAS AVAILABLE AS WELL. AND THEY DID MARKET COMPARISONS. THIS SCULPTOR DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CATALOG OF WORK OUT THERE TO COMPARE TO.

AND AS THIS IS SORT OF INHERENTLY A POLITICAL PIECE, CONSIDERING ITS PROVENANCE AND HOW IT ARRIVED IN LOUISVILLE, WAS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE APPRAISAL? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WAS, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE APPRAISAL WITH YOU. YEAH, OKAY.

I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY THOUGHTS FOR ANOTHER TIME. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YOUNG LADY, YOU MAY WANT TO COME BACK UP, PLEASE. JOSE, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE VALUE OF THIS STATUE. YOU SAID THE TOTAL APPRAISAL VALUE IS $160,000. THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS $60,000, AND THE INSURANCE VALUE IS $100,000. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALUATIONS ARE WHAT THE FAIR MARKET IS, WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO RECEIVE FOR IT, SHOULD IT GO UP FOR AUCTION OR BE SOLD? MAYBE. OKAY, MAYBE COUNCILMAN LINDNER CAN CLARIFY THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR APPRAISAL TOLD US. THE INSURANCE VALUE IS WHAT OUR WE SHOULD BE INSURING IT AT AND REPLACEMENT VALUE ESSENTIALLY.

SO EXACTLY WHAT DOES THE INSURANCE COVER ON THIS PIECE OF ARTWORK? DOES IT COVER DAMAGES? WELL, INSURANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE APPRAISAL. SO METRO IS SELF-INSURED, WHICH OMB OR SOMEBODY FROM RISK MANAGEMENT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS PIECE IS INSURED BUT IT IS NOT INSURED FOR DAMAGES, JUST REPLACEMENT. IT IS INSURED BY METRO BY OUR OUR SELF-INSURED POLICY. NOW, YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF MY DEPTH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN EXTRA RIDER SOMEWHERE THAT OMB CARRIES. BUT THE APPRAISAL WAS JUST TO DETERMINE WHAT THE VALUE OF THE SCULPTURE SHOULD BE. OKAY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF INSURANCE DOES METRO'S ARTWORK OR THESE TYPES OF PIECES ARE. ARE THEY INSURED FOR DAMAGES OR ARE THEY JUST INSURED FOR REPLACEMENT? YEAH, I THINK SO. THE INSURANCE QUESTION IS LIKE, JUST LIKE MISS KINCAID JUST SAID THE THE INSURANCE THAT'S RIDING ON IT.

SO IF IT WAS HIT BY A CAR, WE COULD GO AFTER THAT CAR INSURANCE COMPANY FOR THOSE DAMAGES. I KNOW THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT A CAR DIDN'T HIT IT. IT WAS DESTROYED DURING PUBLIC OUTCRY. SO I WANT TO KNOW, ARE THESE PIECES INSURED? IF THEY ARE DAMAGED, THEY ARE INSURED. BUT IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, NOT BY OTHER PARTIES. THEY'RE INSURED UNDER METRO'S UNDER METRO'S POLICIES. BUT METRO IS SELF-INSURED. SO IF THERE IS ANOTHER PARTY TO GO AFTER, WE'RE GOING TO INCUR THE THE COST FOR REPAIRING THE DAMAGES. OKAY. AND SO INSURANCE HAS APPRAISED AT 100,000 AND. IT'S APPRAISED FOR 100,000, I MEAN, 60,000. BUT INSURANCE I MEAN IT IS INSURANCE IS SAYING IT'S WORTH 60,000. I KNOW IS THAT APPRAISAL IS APPRAISAL.

BUT I CAN CLARIFY SOME OF THESE. APPRAISAL IS AT 60,000. WELL ANYWAY IT'S NOT 205,000. SO MY QUESTION WHY ARE WE SPENDING $205,000 TO RESTORE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT TYPE OF VALUE IN IT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WE HAVE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO REPAIR THE STATUE IN OUR BUDGET ORDINANCE. AND I THINK THAT WE ARE WE ARE WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THE STATUE, AND WE'RE MEETING OUR OBLIGATIONS TO CONTINUE THOSE REPAIRS AND FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAS IN THE IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE, I UNDERSTAND, DID WE NOT HAVE ANY COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR THE RESTORATION? NO. WE WE PUT THIS WE PUT THE REMOVAL OF THE GRAFFITI OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BID TWO TIMES BOTH OF THOSE PROCESSES RETURNED

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ZERO BIDDERS. FROM THERE, WE WE RECEIVED SOME OTHER PARTIES FROM A FEW CONCERNED CITIZENS IN OUR CITY. WE PURSUED THREE LEADS WITH THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO SECURE BIDS.

ONE OF THE BIDDERS DECLINED TO BID, THE OTHER ONE OF THE BIDDERS COULD TAKE THE PIECE, BUT IT WAS UNDER TERMS IN TERMS OF TIMELINESS AND IN TERMS OF SHIPPING THE STATUE TO ANOTHER STATE THAT REALLY DIDN'T MEET OUR OUR QUALIFICATIONS. AND THEN THE THIS, THIS THIRD BIDDER IS A RELATIVELY LOCAL FIRM IN CINCINNATI. SO REGIONAL FIRM AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE THEY'VE COME AND DONE SOME TESTING ON THE STATUE WHICH HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. SO WE ARE INCLINED TO GO THAT DIRECTION TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION. SO AFTER THE STATUE IS RESTORED IS GOING TO BE PUT UP IN STORAGE. IT IS CURRENTLY IN STORAGE. I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE STATUE IS RECITED, MEANING THAT IT'S GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE FOR PUBLIC VIEW. WE HAVE NOT GOT TO THAT STEP, THAT STEP, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE RESTORATION OF THE PIECE FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN, DO YOU WANT TO DO SOME TECHNICAL CLARIFICATIONS FOR US? YES. SO FAIR MARKET VALUE IS WILLING BUYER, WILLING SELLER NEITHER UNDER COMPULSION TO ACT WITH EQUITY TO BOTH PARTIES. DON'T TALK LIKE AN APPRAISER. YOU GOT TO SLOW DOWN. SORRY I WAS TALKING SLOW DOWN FOR THE REST OF US I KNOW.

AUCTIONEER. YES. YEAH. FAIR MARKET VALUE IS WILLING. BUYER. WILLING SELLER NEITHER UNDER COMPULSION TO ACT WITH EQUITY TO BOTH. YOU KNOW, MEETING OF THE MINDS. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI HAS SOMETHING HE WANTS TO SELL. I'M A BUYER. WE COME TO TERMS THAT'S FAIR MARKET VALUE. IN THIS CASE, IT COULD BE THE AUCTION VALUE OF THE PIECE BECAUSE IT'S A PIECE OF ART, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER IT WAS AUCTIONED OR NOT. THE INSURANCE VALUE IS LIKELY A REPLACEMENT COST, WHICH WOULD NOT BE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED PARTIES MAKING A DECISION. IN EITHER CASE, IT'S THE VALUE OF REPAIR IS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERWATER. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI. COUNCILMAN HERNDON.

YES. I JUST WANT TO FLESH OUT A FEW THINGS BEYOND THE VOTE TODAY. YOU PROBABLY READ ABOUT TEN MONTHS AGO, I DID PUT OUT AN EXTENSIVE OP ED ABOUT KING LOUIS AND PUBLIC ART IN GENERAL.

I DID SAY AT THAT TIME THAT WAS STEP ONE, JUST FOR REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY. STEP TWO I WAS ASKED MISS KINCAID, I THINK OUR OCTOBER MEETING TO GIVE US AN APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE OF REPAIR AND REPLACE, REPAIR AND REINSTALLATION OF 10 TO 12 PUBLIC ART PIECES THAT WE OWN.

LOUIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S MISSING OR DAMAGED. WE GOT PART OF THAT ANSWER ALREADY, SHE SAID. THERE'S A THERE SHE IS. SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE OVER HERE. THAT WE'LL KNOW PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THREE WEEKS WITH THAT FULL ANSWER IS THIRD STEP WAS TO APPOINT A STUDY PANEL OF FOLKS TO TAKE A LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES NEARBY OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR PUBLIC ART. THAT COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY MET TWICE. WE WILL BE MEETING AGAIN ON FRIDAY IN NEW ALBANY, WHICH HAS A GREAT PROGRAM. IN APRIL, WE'RE GOING TO CINCINNATI FOR AN ALL DAY TRIP TO LOOK AT ONE OF WHAT IS A BEST PRACTICE ACROSS THE COUNTRY PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. I'M GOING TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES IN MARCH IN BALTIMORE ALSO HAS A TOP TEN PROGRAM. SO I'M IN THE REGION. I'M GOING TO TRAIN OVER AND MEET WITH SOME FOLKS OVER THERE, BOTH ABOUT ART AND ALSO ANTI-VIOLENCE PROGRAMS. I THINK THEY DO WELL ON. AND THEN WE HOPE TO COME TO SOME, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING BOTH THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ART AND THE LOUISVILLE VISUAL ART ASSOCIATION, TWO LOCAL BOARDS THAT HANDLE PUBLIC ART TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS AS WELL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS THOROUGH A JOB AS POSSIBLE. AND ONCE WE DO ALL OF THAT, THEN THE GROUP WILL COME TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY COME BACK TO THIS, THIS BODY TO WITH A BEST PRACTICES CONCLUSION. I ALSO ASKED IN THE OTHER MEETING THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD AN ANEMIC AMOUNT OF MONEY ANNUALLY IN THE BUDGET TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PUBLIC ART. IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO DO, I THINK, THE JOB WE ALL WANT TO DO. AND SO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS UPPING, UPPING THAT ANTE IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET FOR FUTURE USE AND MAKING THAT AN ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. AND AGAIN, PART OF THAT INCLUDES KING LOUIS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NOW FOR YEARS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPLACEMENT AND ALL THESE THINGS. THIS IS A CONNECTION TO HISTORY, NOT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY.

IT IS THE NAMESAKE OF OUR CITY. THE HISTORY OF THE STATUE IS ACTUALLY QUITE INTERESTING.

RIGHT. AND NOW THE PROTESTS ARE A PART OF THAT. RIGHT? THE VANDALISM IS A PART OF THAT.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF ANY PIECE OF ARTWORK IN OUR CITY WERE DAMAGED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE

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YORK STATUE ON THE BELVEDERE, WHICH IT WAS, IT WAS SOMEBODY CRAZILY CUT INTO THE ARM OF THE STATUE. IT WAS A VERY STRANGE THING. I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO LITERALLY SOLVE THE ARM OFF THE STATUE. AND WHAT DID WE DO IMMEDIATELY? WE REPAIRED IT IMMEDIATELY. RIGHTFULLY SO. SO IT IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTS OF OUR HISTORY, THINGS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY, I MEAN, THEY WERE A MYRIAD OF THINGS THAT WERE DAMAGED DURING THE PROTESTS, DURING, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE THE PEOPLE THAT USED THAT TIME TO ENGAGE IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND VANDALIZE AND DESTROY PARTS OF OUR CITY. WE REPAIRED THOSE THINGS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ALWAYS SHOULD DO, BECAUSE IF WE JUST THREW AWAY THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, COST SOMETHING TO REPAIR BECAUSE WE CAN REPLACE IT FOR CHEAPER, THEN WE'LL HAVE NO CONNECTION TO OUR HISTORY. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. APPRECIATE YOU, COUNCILMAN. AND THEN, COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION, JEFF. YOU REFERENCED AN ORDINANCE EARLIER. THAT'S A RESOLUTION, CORRECT? I WAS REFERENCING THE BUDGET ORDINANCE. THE THAT THE THE FUNDING TO REPAIR AND RECITE KING. THE KING LOUIS STATUE IS IN OUR I BELIEVE IT'S FY 24 BUDGET. CORRECT. BUT BUT BY ORDINANCE THAT'S THAT'S AN ALLOCATION OF FUNDS AND NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, THE ACTION. BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE RUN OUT OF MONEY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BUT BUT THE RESOLUTION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT IT'S THE POLICY OF METRO GOVERNMENT TO SITE THE STATUE BACK AT THE CORNER THERE. IS THERE I MEAN, THERE IS A RESOLUTION WHICH PRECEDED THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET APPROPRIATION BY SEVERAL YEARS TO SEEK FUNDING TO RECITE AND REPAIR THE STATUE. YEAH. OKAY. JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND. THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THIS STATUE. I GOT THE CHANCE TO GO AND SEE IT WHEN COUNCILMAN JOSEPH ORGANIZED A VISIT FOR US. AND THEN I REMEMBER SOMEONE WHO'S AN EXPERT IN PUBLIC ART SAID THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A FANTASTIC PIECE. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING BECAUSE I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE IT. BUT WE SAW CRACKS IN THE MARBLE AND THEN IT WAS DAMAGED BECAUSE IT HAD NOT BEEN CARED FOR APPROPRIATELY OVER DECADES. AND SO I KNOW THE DECISION HAS NOT BEEN MADE WHETHER TO RECITE IT OUTSIDE OR INSIDE. BUT IN EITHER CASE, I WANTED TO ASK, WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN FOR THIS PIECE? IT'S IT'S EXISTED FOR I BELIEVE IT WAS. WHAT WAS? IT'S OVER 250 YEARS OLD. SO IT'S IT'S A IT'S A RATHER OLD PIECE. AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING WAS IN THE PALACE OF VERSAILLES.

SO A DIFFERENT CLIMATE THAN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY. OKAY. IT'S NOT TRUE. OKAY. WELL, WHATEVER. I MEAN, IT'S THE SOUTH OF FRANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE THE CLIMATE OF KENTUCKY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT AVERAGE TEMPERATURES SAY. SO THAT'S THE SO I, I IN TERMS OF HOW LONG IT WILL LAST, I MEAN IF WE IF WE CARE FOR IT PROPERLY AND IT'S BEEN ON OUR STREETS FOR SINCE THE 1960S WITH MINIMAL WITH MINIMAL MAINTENANCE DONE TO IT. SO IT'S, IT DID HAVE SOME STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES, WHICH IS WHY THE PIECE WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED. WE DID CLEAN IT WHEN THE INITIAL AND THE INITIAL WAVE OF PROTESTS, BUT THEN SOME ADDITIONAL DAMAGE OCCURRED TO IT, WHICH REQUIRED US TO TO REMOVE IT. THE SO IN TERMS OF HOW LONG IT WILL LAST, I MEAN, IF WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT, IT WILL CONTINUE TO TO TO LAST.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A TRUE LIFESPAN. IS IT GOING TO BE 50 YEARS OR 100 YEARS? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IF WE OWN SOMETHING AND MAINTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD AGAIN GO ON FOR TIME. YEAH. COUNCILWOMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I CHIME IN HERE. SO THERE'S THIS TYPE OF MARBLE STATUE. BEING OUTDOORS IS NOT UNCOMMON. ACTUALLY, IT'S EXTREMELY COMMON WORLDWIDE, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE QUITE REGULAR SEALING IS OVERSIMPLIFYING THE TERM. BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE'S A THERE'S A SUBSTANCE YOU PUT ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE MARBLE, WHICH PREVENTS IT FROM BEING SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGED BY WEATHERING. RIGHT. AND THAT SHOULD BE DONE DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF CLIMATE YOU'RE IN. WILL GAUGE HOW OFTEN YOU SHOULD DO THAT. I THINK ONCE EVERY ONCE A YEAR, ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS IS LIKE THE MOST FREQUENT. AND THEN IN BETTER CLIMATES YOU COULD DO IT LIKE ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS. BUT FURTHER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TYPE OF MARBLE AND THESE STATUES, WHERE THEY ARE WORLDWIDE IN ALMOST EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE, THEY ARE MAINTAINED OVER TIME. IN OTHER

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WORDS, THEY HAVE MINOR REPAIRS TO THEM, RIGHT? THEY ALWAYS DETERIORATE. SO I'M UNDER NO ILLUSION. NOBODY SHOULD BE, BY THE WAY, THAT IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME MARBLE FROM THAT SCULPTOR FROM, YOU KNOW, 250 YEARS AGO. I MEAN, GO THROUGH ANCIENT ROME. THEY'RE CONSTANTLY ADDING THINGS TO THOSE STATUES AND REPAIRING THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, IN MANY CASES THEY'LL TELL YOU, YEAH, LIKE 75% OF WHATEVER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IS NOW BEEN REPAIRED.

RIGHT. BUT IT IS STILL THE SAME STRUCTURE. AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF IT'S ORIGINAL MARBLE IN IT. RIGHT. SO BUT THAT'S THE CASE. I MEAN, I THINK JEFF SUMMARIZED IT PERFECTLY, WHICH SAY IN 60 YEARS WE DID ALMOST NOTHING. NOT ONLY DID WE DO NOTHING, BUT DURING THE PROTESTS, ALMOST EVERY DAY THERE WAS A MAINTENANCE WORKER THAT WAS POWER WASHING IT, LIKE LITERALLY SITTING THREE FEET FROM IT WITH A POWER WASHER, SPRAYING IT DOWN EVERY SINGLE DAY, WHICH I MEAN, IN RETROSPECT WAS A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE IDEA. BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER AND WE WERE JUST REACTING AND DOING WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WAS DOING.

SO I THINK WITH THE RIGHT MAINTENANCE, AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT KEN'S POINT ABOUT AND, AND KING LOUIS ISN'T THE ONLY PIECE OF PUBLIC ART WE SHOULD PUBLICLY, WE SHOULD PROPERLY MAINTAIN WHEN WE PUT PUBLIC ART OUT, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE'RE MAINTAINING IT. AND THIS IS AND I THINK WE'VE LEARNED OUR LESSON. AND THIS IS ONE MICROCOSM OF THE LESSON. AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO FIX THAT LESSON. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO ALL RIGHT, TEAM, UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING BURNING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE. IS THERE ANYTHING BURNING WE NEED TO GET OUT. YES OKAY. I WOULD ADD ONE LAST PIECE TO THIS THAT IS BURNING, WHICH IS I WANT TO CREDIT THIS AS THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ACTS OF OUR SISTER CITY PROGRAM. AND WE RECEIVED THIS PIECE OF ART FROM I'M GOING TO BUTCHER THIS BECAUSE I DON'T SPEAK FRENCH. MONTPELLIER, MONTPELLIER. IT WAS ONE OF THEIR FIRST ACTS OF RECOGNIZING OUR STATUS AS SISTER CITIES WAS TO GIVE US THIS STATUE THAT THEY FELT LIKE WAS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND WOULD FIND A GOOD HOME HERE. SO AS WE THINK ABOUT BOTH THE SIGNIFICANCE FOR OUR PUBLIC ART AND FOR OUR ONGOING INTERNATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR SISTER CITIES, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WAS A PIECE OF THIS. THIS IS A RESOLUTION REQUIRING A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NO, NO. THIS THEN ITEM WILL BE SENT TO OLD BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE READ ITEM NUMBER TWO? ITEM TWO A

[2. R-015-26     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT’S OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION EFFORTS THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, MANAGEMENT SUPPORT, TRAINING, AND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT (TRAJECTORY CHANGING SOLUTIONS- $55,000.00). Action Required By:  August 26, 2026 Sponsors: Ben Reno-Weber (D-8) ]

RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCE APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVE NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT'S OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION EFFORTS THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, MANAGEMENT SUPPORT, TRAINING AND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, AND FULL. SECOND. SO MOTION MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? YOU'RE ON THE SCREEN. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. AND I'M JAMES TATUM, THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND JOINING ME IS MARGARITA STARKS, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF INTERVENTION SERVICES HERE AS WELL. EXCELLENT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. CAN YOU GIVE US A. THANK YOU? SURE. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN SOME OF THE BACKGROUND OF THIS. YES. SO WE WERE PROPOSING TO HAVE OUR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF OUR CONTRACT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE MOVEMENT OF JUSTICE, AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE OUR FUNDS THAT WE HAVE. SO WE NEED TO PROVIDE THIS WITH OUR CONTRACTOR GOODWILL, OUR SUBCONTRACTOR GOODWILL. AND WE DID A COMPETITIVE BID FOR THIS. PROPOSAL. AND THE. TAX COMPANY CAME IN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THROUGH OUR NATIONAL OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION NETWORK.

AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE WANTED TO GO WITH THEIR PRICING AND WHAT THEY THE SCOPE OF WORK MATCHES CLOSELY WITH OUR MISSION AND GOALS OF OUR PROGRAMING, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE US ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE CONCERNING WITH WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW

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IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE COMPANY IS VERY WELL VERSED IN OUR AREAS OF CONCERN WITH COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION. THE OWNER HAS WORKED WITH MANY AGENCIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE NATIONAL OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. HE'S BASED OUT OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE USED AS OUR OUR BASIS FOR OUR PROGRAMING THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. OKAY. DID YOU SAY THIS WAS A WAS A COMPETITIVELY BID PROCESS? SO WE HAD. WE HAD A TOTAL OF FOUR. AGENCIES THAT WERE INTERVIEWED AND GAVE US PROPOSALS. AND OUT OF THE FOUR CAME IN WITH THE BEST MATERIALS, THEIR SCOPE OF WORK AS WELL AS THEIR CREDENTIALS REALLY WERE HIGHLY QUALIFIED. THEY THEY'RE JUST HIGHLY QUALIFIED TO DO THE WORK THAT WE NEED WITH TRAINING.

OUR INTERVENTION SPECIALISTS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH GOODWILL, AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE SUPPORT TO OUR MANAGEMENT STAFF. THIS AGENCY HAS ALL THE ITEMS THAT THE CRITERIA THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAD IN ORDER FOR OUR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE NEEDS. SO THAT YES, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. AND REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL. GREAT. BUT IF IT WAS COMPETITIVELY BID, WHY IS IT COMING TO US AS A SOLE SOURCE INSTEAD OF JUST YOU GUYS SPENDING THE MONEY? BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED IN, IT WAS PUT IN FROM I'M SORRY. ACTUALLY, I'M SEEING THIS AS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE INSTEAD OF THE SOLE SOURCE. WAS IT? MAYBE I MISSPOKE, BUT THERE WERE FOUR OTHER PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN, SO THEY WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES THAT WE INTERVIEWED BEFORE. WE MADE THE DECISION TO GO WITH THEM. SO MAYBE I JUST MISSPOKE ABOUT COMPETITIVE BID. WE HAVE FOUR OTHER. WE DID NOT. WE DID RFP THIS THOUGH, OR WE DID NOT. WE'RE SO WE WE DID THE RESEARCH AND CONTACTED ORGANIZATIONS. IT WAS NOT PUT OUT ON BONFIRE. BUT YES, WE DID REQUEST PROPOSALS FROM FOUR SEPARATE ORGANIZATIONS. I'M LOOKING AT THE THE FORM HERE. IT'S CHECKED OFF ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, NOT SOLE SOURCE. BUT I'M SORRY IF THIS WAS MISFILED IN THAT WAY. SO. SO I'M I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

ABSOLUTELY. WANT TO SUPPORT THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. WANT YOU TO GET EXACTLY THE THING THAT YOU WANT. AND IF THIS IS THE BEST ORGANIZATION, WE'LL FULLY SUPPORT THAT. I'M GOING TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE PIECES OF THIS ARE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD THIS TO JUST GET THAT CLARIFIED, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT NEED TO COME BEFORE US AT ALL IF YOU HAVE DONE THIS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND WE WOULD SAVE YOU THAT TROUBLE AND US FROM SOLE SOURCING THINGS, WHICH I CONCEPTUALLY HATE, THOUGH I'M SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROGRAM. IT LOOKS AWESOME. SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO TABLE? IS THAT THE RIGHT. EXCUSE ME.

WELL, IF IF WE DON'T NEED TO IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY HAVE DONE THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY DON'T NEED US TO PUT THIS. THIS IS SONYA HARWOOD, THE CLERK IS NATALIE JOHNSON IN THE ROOM, BY ANY CHANCE? SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. THAT WOU BE EAT. NATALIE JOHNSON WITH THE JEFFERSON COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO IT DOESN'T. SO I'M NOT REALLY PART OF THE RFP PROCESS WHEN PROCUREMENT GOES THROUGH THAT. BUT LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY WENT THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT. AND THE WAY THAT HE DESCRIBED IT, IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS NONCOMPETITIVE, LIKE THEY REACHED OUT TO COMPANIES TO. SO THAT'S TO DISCUSS. SO THAT'S HOW I'M ASSUMING IT WAS NOT COMPETITIVELY BID. OKAY. SO THIS IS A IS A NONCOMPETITIVE OKAY THEN. AND WE'LL DO THAT ON THAT BASIS OKAY. IN WHICH CASE IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION. THANK

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YOU. COUNCILMAN HUDSON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I AM ALWAYS GOING TO ASK WHY WE'RE DOING NONCOMPETITIVELY NOT NONCOMPETITIVE SOLE SOURCE CONTRACTS. AND THIS JUST BY LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION. SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL PROVIDERS. THIS ONE WASN'T THE LOWEST BID, BUT IT'S THE ONE WE WANT TO GO WITH, WHICH IS EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF WHY WE COMPETE CONTRACTS. SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO ON THIS ONE. COUNCILMAN PURVIS. I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BY INVITATION ONLY. I THINK OUR RFPS NEED TO BE PUT OUT ON THE STREET. IT LOOKS KIND OF. IT LOOKS KIND OF STRANGE TO DO THAT ONLY WHEN OTHER VENDORS DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITYO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL. SO THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLEITH WAS THIS.

I WANTED TO ASK W'S ANSWERG THE QUEIONS WAS PRIC INCDN TATED B A W -CALLEDROPOSAL? YES. AND ACTUALLY, THEY DID COME IN WITH THE BEST PRICING. THIS THIS WAS EVALUATED BID AND PRICING WAS ONE OF THE CRITERIAS CONSIDERED. PRICING WAS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED. THEY ACTUALLY DID COME IN AT THE BEST PRICING WITH PROVIDING EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUIRED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS WE HAD TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. BUT WHEN THE FURLOUGH OCCURRED SEVERAL MONTHS BACK, WE LOST OUR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL NO LONGER PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE HAD TO FIND ANOTHER SERVICE. WE DID LOOK FOR SEVERAL. WE SPENT MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDER SINCE DECEMBER OF 2025, AND WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE NATIONAL OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION NETWORK. ONCE WE MET WITH THEM BACK IN JULY, THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME OF THE MORE HIGHLY REPUTABLE COMPANIES THAT WERE BEING USED BY THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. SO THIS IS WHERE WE OBTAIN THE COMPANIES THAT WE INTERVIEWED WITH AND RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM. SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US A LIST OF CRITERIAS THAT HAD TO BE MET IN THIS EVALUATED BID? DID ALL COMPANIES HAVE TO RESPOND THE SAME FOR COMPANIES THAT YOU SOLICIT FOR A BID, YOU HAVE A LIST OF CRITERIA THAT HAD TO BE MET IN THE BID PROPOSAL. I WILL LOOK TO SEE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? PROCUREMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT. LIKE PRICING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, EXPERIENCE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. DO YOU HAVE SUCH AN OUTLINE FOR THESE COMPANIES TO RESPOND TO? I DO, I JUST HAD TO LOOK AT THE EMAIL. SO YES I DO. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN AT LEAST EMAIL US THAT INFORMATION? HELLO. YOU. SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE COME THROUGH. DID SHE ASK YOU IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE COMMITTEE? THE OTHER FOLKS THAT YOU CONSIDERED? YES. JUST WHAT EMAIL ADDRESS SHOULD I SEND IT TO? AND DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND THAT TODAY OR TOMORROW WHEN YOU JUST WHEN YOU SEND IT TO THE

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CLERK, SHE'LL GET IT TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN. SO I'M I'M NOT DONE. ONE LAST QUESTION. SO YOU ARE DID YOU ALL WORK WITH IN A DEPARTMENT? MR. TATUM? SOMEONE CAN YOU ANSWER? SORRY, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES ON THAT END. SO NO, WE DID NOT WORK WITH PROCUREMENT OFFICE FOR THIS ONE. WE LEANED ON NATIONAL OFFICES OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE WORKED WITH HAD ACTUALLY BEEN OUR FEDERAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDER. AND WE LOOK TO THEM FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE IN THE SPHERE AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BUCKHORN. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WRONG WITH THIS ENTIRE WAY. THIS IS BEING HANDLED. AND IF I, I CAN'T FIND THE EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT IN THE DEFINITION OF 37, IN 37 IN THE CODE, ANY BIDS ABOVE $40,000 MUST GO OUT FOR AN RFP TO GET THE PROPER THINGS DONE THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE HOLDING A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE FIRE.

IN THIS CASE, THAT WAS NOT DONE. IN THIS CASE, IT DID NOT GO THROUGH BONFIRE. IN THIS CASE, IT WAS NOT 40,000 OR BELOW. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ALLOW THIS DEPARTMENT TO SOURCE A CONTRACT OF $55,000 FOR SOMETHING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PLAN THAT IS DEFINED IN OUR ORDINANCES. I THINK THIS IS NOT JUST THEIR PROBLEM. I THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS IN LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT, AND WE ARE FACING THIS FROM PARKS TO VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK AS IF WE WERE TO WRITE AN NDF, AND IF WE MISSED A LINE OR SOMETHING ON AN NDF, THEY WOULD MAKE US START THE ENTIRE PROCESS BACK OVER TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND I THINK THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS. COUNCILWOMAN BASS, IF I MAY, REALLY QUICK, NATALIE JOHNSON WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE UNDER THE MODEL PROCUREMENT CODE, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BID IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. AND IF IT'S FOR LIKE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECT OR AN ARTIST OR, YOU KNOW, AN ATTORNEY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. NO, NO. AND THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. IF THERE IS ONLY ONE PROVIDER WHO IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS OR PRACTICAL TO PROVIDE IT, YES. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK WE HAVE HEARD TODAY THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY MULTIPLE PROVIDERS WHO THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST ONE PROBABLY IS THE BEST ONE, BUT IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROVIDERS CAPABLE OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE, THEN AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. I WOULD I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY LEGALLY, IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, IT AND IF IT WERE NOT FEASIBLE, YES, THEN YES. IF IT WERE NOT FEASIBLE EXACTLY, THEN THAT IS. BUT WE HEARD HERE TODAY THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE FOR WHOM IT IS FEASIBLE. THIS WAS JUST THE BEST ONE. AND SO I, I WILL BE ARGUING THAT WE SHOULD NOT PASS THIS, SEND IT THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. I WANT YOU TO GET THE RIGHT PROVIDER. BUT THIS THIS IS NOT AN I'M SORRY THAT YOU GOT TO US WITH THAT.

THAT'S THE CASE. COUNCILWOMAN BASS. OKAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE OBVIOUSLY WAS AN UNMATCHED EXPERTISE OUT THERE. SO THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RFP PROCESS. WAS THERE A SCORECARD DEVELOPED? WAS THERE A BEST PRICE? WE SHOULD HAVE ENGAGED IN PROCUREMENT SOONER? I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THE JUSTIFICATION HERE IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO PASS THIS TODAY. I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HOLD THIS AND GET MORE INFORMATION, AND AT THE VERY LEAST, GO BACK AND START OVER AND DO THIS CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LINENGER. I'M SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN DOCTOR MCCRANEY, I APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE HERE UNDER PUBLIC SPEAKER AND I. THAT WAS AGAIN, YOU FLAGGED ME AND MY ABJECT APOLOGIES. APOLOGY ACCEPTED. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT IF THERE IS ANY ORGANIZATION OR DEPARTMENT THAT WE SHOULD WANT TO SUPPORT, IT

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IS CERTAINLY THIS ONE. AND WITH THAT SAID, IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU COME PREPARED TO DISCUSS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT, BECAUSE IN IN THIS SITUATION AND IN THE CLIMATE WE'RE IN, WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT TRANSPARENCY IS KEY. AND SO IT, IT IT JUST BODES ODD THAT YOU COULD NOT COME WITH THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND THAT YOUR PRESENTATION WAS SOMEWHAT OFF BEAT IN THAT IT DID NOT DIRECTLY CONFIRM THAT YOU HAD PLACED THIS OUT FOR BID. SO WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS COULD YOU PUT IT OUT FOR BID IF WE WERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU PUT IT OUT FOR BID, START THE PROCESS OVER, WORK WITH OMB AND DO IT THE PROPER WAY? WHAT WOULD THAT DO? YES. OH, CERTAINLY. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSED THINGS WITH PROCUREMENT PREVIOUS TO THAT, THEY HAD THOUGHT THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE'D GONE THROUGH WAS SUFFICIENT FOR IT. BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT BACK TO THEM. AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU ALL HAD ASKED THAT OF US AND ASK THEM TO PUT IT THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH BONFIRE FOR BIDS ON THAT CASE, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. THEY HAD JUST NOT ADVISED THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE IT BACK TO THEM WITH THAT MAKES MAKES THIS PROCESS MORE COMFORTABLE. I CERTAINLY WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE AT THIS JUNCTURE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT WOULD VOTE FOR THIS TO GO FORWARD WITH THE LACK OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US OR WITH THE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN TO USE. SO IF YOU COULD PUT THAT OUT FOR BID, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A SMOOTHER OPPORTUNITY WITH GETTING IT APPROVED. COUNCILMAN. COUNCIL. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. IT IS CORRECT THAT IT'S NOT UNDER WHAT NATALIE SAID. IT'S FEASIBLE. RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT HAD BEEN THE THE ADVICE THAT PROCUREMENT HAD GIVEN US AS WE WENT AHEAD AND FILL THIS OUT AND WORKED WITH THEM ON THAT. BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WITH THE FIELD OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WE HAD TALKED TO, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT OUT FOR BONFIRE. THANK YOU. GOTCHA. GOOD. COUNCILMAN LINENGER.

LOOKING AT THE SECTION ONE OF WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT BEGAN ARE, YOU KNOW, IF EXECUTED, WOULD BEGIN JANUARY 1ST. SO ARE THESE SERVICES CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED BY THIS FIRM? THIS IS A QUESTION OF REIMBURSEMENT. NO. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU. RATHER THAN HAVE WHAT I BELIEVE WOULD END UP BEING A FAILED VOTE, I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY SPONSORSHIP AND ASK THAT YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AS WE DISCUSSED.

OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WILL THE CLERK READ THE ITEM. ITEM THREE

[3. R-016-26     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE LOUISVILLE METRO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS TO PAY FOR A QUALIFIED AND LICENSED MEDICAL PRACTITIONER TO OVERSEE ITS CLINICAL SERVICES (NORTON HEALTHCARE - $60,000). Action Required By:  August 26, 2026 Sponsors: Ben Reno-Weber (D-8) ]

A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCE APPROVING APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVE NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE LOUISVILLE METRO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS TO PAY FOR A QUALIFIED AND LICENSED MEDICAL PRACTITIONER TO OVERSEE CLINICAL SERVICES. $60,000 READING FULL. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? I AM HERE CONNIE MENDEL, LOUISVILLE METRO PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS I SERVE AS CHIEF HEALTH STRATEGIST OF YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THIS IS FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR OUR ASSOCIATE MEDICAL DIRECTOR. IT IS PROVIDED THROUGH THE CONTRACT IS WITH NORTON HEALTHCARE FOR THE SERVICES OF DOCTOR CHRISTINA BRYANT, WHO IS AN A PEDIATRIC INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST.

THESE ARE SO WE OR HER PREDECESSOR. SO THE CONTRACT WITH IS WITH THE ENTITY OF NORTON'S. I WILL SAY THAT THE ASSOCIATE MEDICAL DIRECTOR HELPS US IN OUR INFECTIOUS DISEASE INVESTIGATIONS, OVERSEE OUR TUBERCULOSIS CLINIC, WHICH YES, TB IS STILL AN A PROBLEM IN JEFFERSON COUNTY RIGHT NOW, ALONG WITH OTHER CHILDHOOD DISEASES AND ADULT INFECTIOUS DISEASES. SO PROVIDES OVERSIGHT FOR OUR DISEASE INVESTIGATION TEAMS AND OUR STI CLINIC, WHICH

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WE REFER TO AS OUR SPECIALTY CLINIC, WHICH WHICH THAT STANDS FOR SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED ILLNESSES. THIS IS A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT WE DO NOT MAINTAIN IN-HOUSE. SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST CONTINUATION OF THIS CONTRACT. WE HAVE CONTRACTED OUT THESE SERVICES FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITH IT BEING INFECTIOUS DISEASE CERTIFICATION AND PEDIATRIC, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WORK WITH NORTON IS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS IN TOWN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL SAY CONCEPTUALLY, I HATE THE IDEA THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT FUNDAMENTALLY SHOULD BE AN HR FUNCTION, LIKE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY HIRING THIS PERSON THAT WE COULD NOT OTHERWISE GET, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE AVAILABLE LOCALLY. THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT COME BEFORE COUNCIL. THIS IS SHOULD BE WITHIN THE HR FUNCTION. THAT IS NOT HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY SET UP. YEAH, WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT ABLE TO HIRE SOMEONE AT $60,000 A YEAR AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. BUT WE DO PROVIDE THE SERVICES OF A HIGHLY SPECIALIZED INFECTIOUS DISEASE PHYSICIAN. SUPER NEEDED, FULLY SUPPORTED. AT SOME POINT WE WILL FIX OUR PROCESS. SO THIS IS EASIER ON YOU. DO I HAVE ANY SPEAKERS TO THIS? SEEING NONE. THIS IS ITEM THE REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THANK YOU. GOOD DOCTOR.

THANK YOU. GIVEN THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.