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          GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M KEVIN KRAMER, CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. IT IS TUESDAY, 
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DECEMBER 1ST. IT'S ABOUT 417. THIS IS THE A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE AGENDA OF THE BUDGET 
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COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY MY VICE CHAIR, MARCUS WINKLER, JOINED ALSO BY 
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COUNCILMAN KEN HERNDON, COUNCILMAN JP LINENGER, COUNCILMAN BEN RENO WEBER, 
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COUNCILMAN HUDSON, AND COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. I'M JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILWOMAN 
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WOOLDRIDGE AND COUNCILWOMAN SHAMEKA PARRISH WRIGHT, AS WELL AS COUNCILMAN OWEN. I THINK 
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THAT'S GOT IT. SO. AND COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. MADAM CLERK, IF YOU PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE THE VIRTUAL MEETING. THERE WE GO. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO CRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR, I GUESS, FOR MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL AS THE VIEWING PUBLIC, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE THE SHAPE OF THE AGENDA, AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE BECAUSE I'M NOW GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. SO WE WILL BE TAKING ITEM NUMBER NUMBER ONE FIRST. THEN WE'LL TAKE ITEMS NUMBER SIX, THEN FIVE, THEN TWO, THEN SEVEN AND THREE AND FOUR. WE WILL WE WILL NOT BE HEARING TODAY. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A SPECIAL DISCUSSION FROM 
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 ID 25-0721     ANOTHER WAY PROGRAM UPDATE – Sharon Allgeier, Goodwill Kentucky]
ANOTHER WAY PROGRAM. IT'S RUN THROUGH THE GOODWILL AND WE'VE ASKED IF THEY WOULD COME. WE WE HAD ASKED FOR AND OFFERED SOME SUPPORT IN THE BUDGET IN JUNE AND HAD ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW THAT WAS GOING. AND SO THEY'VE GRACIOUSLY AGREED TODAY TO SHARE SOME OF THEIR SUCCESSES. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD, SHARON ALLGEIER, ANOTHER WAY PROGRAM MANAGER. SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE HERE TODAY FOR INVITING US HERE. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THIS ANOTHER WAY PROGRAM. I'M EXCITED ABOUT HOW IT HAS GROWN FROM SOMETHING SMALL TO SOMETHING REALLY GREAT, AND I SEE THE SEA. OH, THERE IT IS. SORRY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE PROGRAM BEGAN AND WHICH WAS REALLY EXCITING. IT STARTED OFF TO WHERE WE HAD ONE VAN. WE WOULD GO OUT AND WE WOULD GO INSIDE THE CAMPS TO THE CORNERS, DIFFERENT PLACES LOOKING FOR 
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FOR THE UNHOUSED. AND WHAT WE DO IS WE GET THEM ON THE VAN. WE TAKE THEM TO WORK FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF, FOUR HOURS. WE BRING THEM BACK TO GOODWILL, WE FEED THEM LUNCH, WE GIVE THEM A $50 VISA STIPEND, A FOUR HOUR BUS PASS, ALL THE WHILE CONNECTING THEM TO SERVICES. SO WHAT? AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS WE DID CONNECT THEM TO SERVICES. WE ACTUALLY CONNECTED THEM TO TREATMENT. SEVERAL OF THEM WANTED TO GO TO TREATMENT. A LOT OF THEM GOT JOBS. SO WITH THAT, WE WENT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PROGRAM STARTED TO GROW. WITH THAT, THE MAYOR METRO COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE IT IN ACTION, SO THEY GOT ON THE VAN WITH US. WE SPENT THE DAY WORKING WITH THE PARTICIPANTS AND IT WAS JUST AN AMAZING DAY. AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTO HOW WHAT STARTED OFF AS THREE PARTICIPANTS. NOW WE HAVE ANYWHERE LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 40 UNHOUSED PARTICIPANTS RIDING ON OUR VANS. SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, WE WENT BACK TO THE CITY AND AND SHARING THE SUCCESSES. WE'VE HAD SO MANY PARTICIPANTS AND WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM, ALSO OF OUTREACH SPECIALISTS AND CAREER COACHES THAT WORK WITH THE PARTICIPANTS. SO WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESSES. WE WE WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM THAT ACTUALLY A LOT OF THEM THAT HAVE GONE TO TREATMENT, A LOT OF THEM THAT HAVE GOTTEN GOTTEN HIRED ON SOME IN SOME AMAZING POSITIONS, AND THEY HAVE GREAT JOBS. EVERY MONTH. WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS I SEND A REPORT OVER TO METRO COUNCIL FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. THESE PHOTOS ARE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE OUR PARTICIPANTS DO CLEANUPS. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THEY REALLY LOVE THE WORK. IT MAKES THEM FEEL IMPORTANT. THEY WANT TO COME BACK. SECOND DAY, THIRD DAY. THEY REALLY, REALLY ENJOY THE WORK AND THEY ENJOY ENJOY SPENDING TIME WITH US. IF YOU I WANT TO SHARE THE NUMBERS WITH YOU. THIS IS JUST FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER. WE HAVE 92 NEW PARTICIPANTS SERVED. OUT OF THOSE 111 CONNECTED TO RESOURCES, WE HAVE 15 EMPLOYED FULL TIME WITH BENEFITS. 20 OF THOSE WERE TRANSPORTED TO TREATMENT 26. IT'S KIND OF FAR AWAY FOR ME. THEY WERE PROVIDED TEMPORARY PERMIT HOUSING, 37 OF THEM RECEIVED THEIR IDS AND EIGHT OF THEM WERE PROVIDED HEALTH CARE. BUT WHAT I DO MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE AND I REALLY I AND I STARTED THIS FROM DAY ONE. NOT ONLY DO I GIVE THE STATS OF HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS WROTE ON THE VAN AND RESOURCES, BUT I ALSO DO AND I DO A MONTH TO DATE REPORT AND I ALSO DO THE YEAR TO DATE REPORT. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS. THIS IS FROM JANUARY TO NOVEMBER 2025. YOU'LL SEE THE YEAR TO DATE WE HAD WE HAVE HAD 660 NEW PARTICIPANTS SERVED. 
          THE NUMBER CONNECTED TO RESOURCES WAS 380. AND YOU CAN GO ON AND SEE THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE, THE MENTAL HEALTH, ON AND ON. ALSO WHAT I DO, I COLLECT MORE INFORMATION AND YOU'LL SEE THIS LIKE WITH THE SUBPOPULATION, HOW MANY OFFENDERS, HOW MANY EX-OFFENDERS, HISTORY OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE. YOU'LL SEE ALCOHOL ABUSE. HOW MANY WHITE MALES, BLACK MALES, WHITE FEMALES. IT'S REALLY KIND OF INTERESTING. SO I'D LIKE TO POST THAT AS WELL. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO NOW, I WANT TO I WANT YOU TO HEAR FROM WAYNE, AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR HIS JOURNEY FROM HOMELESSNESS TO SUCCESS AND HOW THIS WILL INSPIRE YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS WAYNE FORD. I STARTED OUT I WAS STAYING AT THE SALVATION ARMY. YOU KNOW, THE BAD TIMES. AND SOMEBODY TOLD ME ABOUT GOODWILL. I WENT DOWN TO GOODWILL. I MET SHARON AAGARD. SHE HAD TOLD ME ABOUT THE ANOTHER WAY PROGRAM, WHAT THEY OFFER, AND I TOLD HER I WAS INTERESTED. SO I WENT OUT, WORKED, HELPED PICK UP TRASH AND STUFF TO HELP THEM WITH THEM. THEY GAVE ME SOME SKILLS AND SOME CLASSES, LIFE SKILLS TO HELP ME BETTER MYSELF, TO HELP ME THROUGH MY JOURNEY. AND I DID THE WORK I PUT IN FOR A JOB FOR MATERIAL HANDLING, BUT SHE ENDED UP OFFERED ME A JOB AS AN OUTREACH SPECIALIST. I STARTED AS AN OUTREACH SPECIALIST FOR TEN MONTHS, YOU KNOW, GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THEN I ENDED UP GETTING PROMOTED AS LEAD PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST, HELPING PEOPLE GET THEM CONNECTED TO TREATMENT, JOBS, RESOURCES. AND THEN RECENTLY, I GOT PROMOTED TO A CAREER COACH AT THE 2820 WEST BROADWAY LOCATION. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY ANOTHER WAY HELPED ME, AND I FEEL GOOD TO HELP AND GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME 
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TALK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, COUNCILMAN HUDSON, NO QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          CAN I BE IN THE QUEUE? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN HUDSON, LET HER GO FIRST. YES. 
          NO. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. MY COMMENTS WILL BE SHORT. ANYTIME I GET TO SING THE PRAISES OF ANOTHER WAY, I DO. AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A FORTUITOUS OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, SO THANK YOU. IT IS A GREAT PROGRAM. I LOVE ALL THE METRICS THAT YOU PUT UP, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS YOUR GREATEST EXPORT IS DIGNITY. THANK YOU. WHEN I TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM, THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME THAT THEY GET OUT OF IT IS DIGNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THIS CITY. THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM AND I FULLY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WANT TO SECOND MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN HUDSON. LAST YEAR I FELT ANOTHER WAY ABOUT ANOTHER WAY. 
          BUT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE. AND HEARING WAYNE'S TESTIMONY WAS REALLY, REALLY POWERFUL. AND YOU BRINGING YOUR METRICS AND YOU'RE SHOWING WHAT WORKS. I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD. 
          AND I ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO UPDATE US ON YOUR PROGRESS. THAT HELPS, KEEPS US INFORMED SO WE CAN KEEP THE CONSTITUENTS INFORMED, BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON AND HOW THEY CAN CONNECT PEOPLE TO YOUR PROGRAMING. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY I'VE COME A LONG WAY, AND I DEFINITELY FEEL A BETTER WAY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND TO KEEP GOING AND TO KEEP US UPDATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND CHAIRMAN. WELCOME AND THANKS FOR COMING. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I MEAN, I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THE TEAM DOES. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW COUNCILMAN PARKER MYSELF AT THE TIME. COUNCILWOMAN GEORGE, NOW COUNTY CLERK YATES AND A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE. AND WE SAT DOWN PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO TO TO TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHARON GOODWILL WAS A RELUCTANT PARTNER AT THE BEGINNING. BUT I THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN SO INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE LIKE WAYNE AND THEN FARRAH AND OTHERS. AND I THINK HEARING THEIR STORIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE A DRY EYE, YOU KNOW, HEARING THE IMPACT THAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE MAKING ON, ON PEOPLE DAY IN AND DAY OUT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY A LOT OF THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE PROGRAM. BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY A LOT OF IT. SHARON, IS A TESTAMENT TO YOU PERSONALLY AND TO THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE HERE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE IN MILWAUKEE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FOR THE GLI'S ANNUAL TRIP AND AND, YOU KNOW, MILWAUKEE IS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WALKED AWAY FROM FROM THAT HEARD, YOU KNOW, LIKE, THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. BUT THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, SAID PART OF IT IS TOO IS HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE. RIGHT. YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THE PROGRAM AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND EXPECT THE SAME RESULTS. AND IT WAS A TESTAMENT TO THE FOLKS IN MILWAUKEE AND THEIR PASSION. AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT YOU AND AND THE FOLKS HERE LOCALLY THAT YOU CAN'T JUST DUPLICATE THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DUPLICATE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF AND YOUR PASSION FOR THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE WAY THAT YOU APPROACH THESE FOLKS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, I'M GRATEFUL TO YOU AND TO THE OTHER CAREER COACHES THAT WORK ON ON THIS PROGRAM. I ALSO JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. I MEAN, THE THE NUMBERS YOU YOU HIGHLIGHTED THERE, YOU KNOW, ARE REALLY REMARKABLE. ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOES TO COUNCILMAN HUDSON'S POINT ABOUT DIGNITY. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WROTE THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM ORIGINALLY, I MEAN, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I ALWAYS EXPECTED PEOPLE WOULD, YOU KNOW, TELL US TO GO AWAY. AND IT'S REALLY QUITE THE OPPOSITE. RIGHT? MOST PEOPLE THAT WE STOP WITH WANT TO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING. AND THE NUMBER OF, OF ALL THE ONES THAT YOU HAD UP THERE THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS 167 OF THE PARTICIPANTS HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES, RIGHT? THESE ARE STREET HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, 400 OF THEM HAD HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMAS, 167 HAD COLLEGE DEGREES, WHICH IS JUST SORT OF MIND BOGGLING TO THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, YOU SEND THE REPORT EVERY WEEK AND YOU ALL DO AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PEOPLE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THEY HOMELESS AND WHAT WERE THEY DOING BEFORE THEY WERE HOMELESS? AND I WOULD TELL EVERYBODY, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THOSE, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WOULD READ THOSE STORIES. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE TO SEE AND A REAL REMINDER THAT FOR MANY OF US, LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING HOUSED AND BEING UNHOUSED, LIKE IT'S IT'S NOT THAT FAR OF A, OF A GAP FOR MANY PEOPLE. RIGHT. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK, MISTER CHAIR. APPRECIATE YOU LETTING 
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ME KIND OF GO ON FOR A MINUTE OR TWO HERE, BUT KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN PARKER. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN. AND THANK YOU, SHARON. I JUST WANT TO SAY, AS COUNCILMAN WINKLER MENTIONED FIVE YEARS AGO, WE STARTED OUT WITH JUST THE GENERAL IDEA OF THIS, AND WE WENT THROUGH A BIG STRUGGLE OF TRYING TO FIND A FISCAL AGENT THAT HAD STAYING POWER. AND I KEPT SAYING GOODWILL, GOODWILL, GOODWILL. THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO IT. 
          SO WE WENT THROUGH 3 OR 4, AND I'M SO GLAD THAT WE ENDED UP WITH YOU GUYS BECAUSE JUST, YOU KNOW, TO REITERATE, YOU GUYS HAVE JUST DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. AND NOT ONLY DO YOU GO TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREET, BUT YOU GO TO THE HOMELESS CAMPS AND YOU TRY TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO SERVICES AND YOU HELP CLEAN UP THEIR CAMP. AND IF NO ONE HAS EVER VISITED, I JUST RECENTLY VISITED THE THEIR CAMPUS ON WEST BROADWAY. IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST PHENOMENAL. AND SO WHEN YOU PICK THESE PEOPLE, THESE FOLKS UP, THEY THEY'RE IT'S LIKE A SHOPPING MALL ALMOST FOR DIFFERENT SERVICES. I MEAN, THEY EVEN HAVE A, A BARBER WHERE THEY CAN HELP PEOPLE GET A HAIRCUT SO THEY CAN GO TO A JOB INTERVIEW. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S CRAZY IN A GOOD WAY. BUT SO AND THEN ANOTHER COMPONENT IS THE SIGNS THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO PUT OUT TO TRY TO HELP EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO QUIT GIVING FOLKS MONEY ON THE STREET. SO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PERPETUATE THEIR ISSUES, WE WANT THEM, WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GIVING, BUT WE WANT THEM TO GIVE IN THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT THEIR THEIR MONIES ACTUALLY GO TO HELP PEOPLE. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WEBER. I'LL BE THE LAST ONE, I PROMISE. LESS THAN A MINUTE. BUT DEPUTY MAYOR GEORGE AND I WERE WALKING BARDSTOWN ROAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND WE ENCOUNTERED SOMEBODY WHO WAS HAVING AN EPISODE. AND WHEN SHE WAS TALKING TO HIM, HE SAID VERY JUST MOVINGLY, THE BEST HE FELT ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE LAST YEARS WAS THE THE DAY THAT HE CAME AND WORKED WITH ANOTHER WAY, AND THAT GAVE HIM THE CONFIDENCE TO GO BACK AND TALK TO HIS MOM, AND HE ENDED UP GETTING A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT DIGNITY THAT COMES FROM THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE, AS COUNCILMAN WINKLER POINTED OUT, IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE PEOPLE WERE IN THE WONDERFUL JUST IN CASE YOU WONDER WHETHER OR NOT WE READ YOUR REPORTS, WE DO. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE? SO OFTEN THE BARRIERS THAT THAT EVENTUALLY OVERCAME THEM SO THAT THEY BECAME HOMELESS OR GOT INTO CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU WERE REACHING OUT TO THEM WERE SO SMALL. IT WAS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS BILL OVERCAME ME, OR I WAS HURT IN THIS WAY. AND THEN BEING ABLE TO OVERCOME THOSE BARRIERS FOR THE INVESTMENTS THAT I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT WE CONTINUE TO NOW RECOGNIZE AS BEING THESE UPSTREAM INTERVENTIONS. AND WHEN YOU HEAR MR. WRIGHT TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE PREVENTION, OR YOU HEAR DOCTOR LEIDERMAN TALK ABOUT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, IT'S THOSE UPSTREAM INVESTMENTS THAT WE MAKE THAT YOU ARE MAKING THAT THEN LEAD TO THE LACK OF STREET HOMELESSNESS OR THE LACK OF VIOLENCE. LIKE, THIS IS THE EXACT KIND OF INVESTMENT WE NEED TO BE MAKING. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK. JUST UNDER A MINUTE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE THE LAST COMMENT FROM THE FLOOR IF YOU WISH. I JUST WANTED TO THANK EACH AND EVERY, EACH AND EVERY ONE HERE. AND I ALSO WANTED TO OFFER, IF YOU EVER WANT TO SPEND THE DAY WITH US AND RIDE ON THE VAN, IT'S IT'S REALLY FUN AND I, I DO AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL HERE FOR, FOR YOUR AMAZING SUPPORT. AND WE'LL KEEP IT GOING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT. YOU DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING ABLE TO SPEAK WITH US TODAY. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO THE AGENDA. AND AS I 
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 O-283-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 084, SERIES 2022, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 CAPITAL BUDGET, AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 080, SERIES 2023, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 CAPITAL BUDGET, AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 181, SERIES 2022, RELATING TO THE YEAR-END OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFERS BETWEEN VARIOUS AGENCIES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021-2022, AMENDING ORDINANCE 101, SERIES 2024, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 CAPITAL BUDGET, AMENDING ORDINANCE 091, SERIES 2025, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 OPERATING BUDGET, AMENDING ORDINANCE 092, SERIES 2025, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 CAPITAL BUDGET, AND AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING YEAR-END OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFERS BETWEEN VARIOUS AGENCIES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 AND TO PROVIDE VARIOUS TRANSFERS AS DETAILED HEREIN.
Action Required By:  May 13, 2026
Sponsors: Kevin Kramer (R-11), Markus Winkler (D-17)]
MENTIONED, I'M TAKING THINGS OUT OF ORDER. SO THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE LISTED AS ITEM NUMBER SIX. THIS IS ORDINANCE 283 25. IT IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 84, SERIES 2022 RELATING TO THE FISCAL 2022 2023 CAPITAL BUDGET AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 80, SERIES 2023 RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 2024. CAPITAL BUDGET AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 181, SERIES 2022 RELATING TO THE YEAR END OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFERS BETWEEN VARIOUS AGENCIES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 2022. AMENDING ORDINANCE 101, SERIES 2024 RELATING TO FISCAL YEAR 2024 2025. CAPITAL BUDGET AMENDING ORDINANCE OH 91, SERIES 2025 RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 2026. OPERATING BUDGET AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 92, SERIES 2025 RELATING TO FISCAL YEAR 2025 2026, CAPITAL BUDGET AND AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING 
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YEAR END OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFERS BETWEEN VARIOUS AGENCIES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 2025 AND PROVIDE VARIOUS TRANSFERS AS DETAILED HEREIN. MOTION OKAY, THE ITEM IS PROPERLY BEFORE US. I WANT TO GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY SLASH BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS PLACE, AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANGIE DUNN. THE MAYOR'S WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. SOME OF YOU WILL RECALL THAT THERE WAS A CONTRACT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE TO DO SOME WORK AT SAINT MARY ELIZABETH HOSPITAL WITH A BIRTHING CENTER. UOFL STARTED INTO THAT WORK. THEY SPENT A CHUNK OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAD APPROPRIATED THERE. THEY REALIZED THAT IT WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT WE WERE HOPING THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE. AND SO THEY THEY LET US KNOW THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FINISH THE PROJECT THAT THEY HAD, THAT WE HAD FUNDED. AND SO AT THAT POINT, THE MONEY THAT WAS UNSPENT WAS COMING BACK TO US. WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAD ALREADY SPENT. WE LOOKED AT THE BENEFIT THAT IT WAS OFFERING TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THE FACT THAT WE HAD ASKED THEM TO DO THAT, AND WE ACCEPTED, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT MONEY WAS SPENT IN GOOD FAITH, AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE A POSITIVE RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT. AND SO WE DID NOT ASK FOR ANY, ANY REFUND FROM THAT. SO AT THE END OF IT, WE NETTED OUT THE MONEY THEY SPENT. THEY SPENT THE MONEY THEY HAD NOT SPENT. WE GOT BACK WHEN THAT HAPPENED, WE BEGAN A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO USE THOSE FUNDS. WHEN I BROUGHT THAT TO THE MAYOR'S ATTENTION, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. HE SUGGESTED THEN THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON A YEAR END BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, AND PROPOSED THAT WE MIGHT ROLL THOSE TOGETHER. I WASN'T SURE HOW QUICKLY THEY COULD GET THAT DONE, AND I WAS PRETTY CONFIDENT HOW QUICKLY WE COULD GET OUR PIECE DONE. BUT AS WE MOVED INTO THE PROCESS, IT BECAME CLEAR AND QUITE HONESTLY, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS ABLE TO MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY IS A YEAR END ADJUSTMENT THAT INCLUDES THAT $5 MILLION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT, THAT THAT CAME BACK TO US AS A RESULT OF THE SAINT MARY ELIZABETH. SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT BEFORE US TONIGHT, IT'S LIKE $17 MILLION. SO THAT SAID, THE ORDINANCE THAT I HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IS LAST ON THE AGENDA AND IT WILL NOT BE HEARD BECAUSE AFTER THIS MEETING, I WILL BE WITHDRAWING MY SPONSORSHIP AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS YEAR END ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYONE FOR AT LEAST FOR BACKGROUND? AND THEN, MISS DUNN, IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND OFFER SOME BACKGROUND THANKS. OKAY. NOW WE HAVE TO TURN IT ON. HI. ANGIE DUNN CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET I'M ALSO JOINED TODAY BY ERIN JACKSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BUDGET, AND RICHARD CHAMPION, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK BOTH RICHARD AND ERIN FOR THEIR DIRECT ASSISTANCE IN COMPLETING THE YEAR END CLOSEOUT. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO THANK THE OTHER OMB EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS JOEL NORVELL, KRISTINA BERTZ, JASON PRIDDY AND KEN HILDEBRAND FOR THE FOR OVERSEEING THE VARIOUS OTHER OMB OPERATIONS AND PROJECTS. THEIR LEADERSHIP IS CRITICAL TO THE OVERALL SUCCESS OF OUR AGENCY. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK PRIMARILY TO WHERE WE ENDED THE YEAR AND TO TALK ABOUT THE $9.5 MILLION THAT IS A PART OF THE 17 MILLION THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR APPROPRIATION. 
          THAT'S THE 9.5 OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE. THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE REPORT, THE EXPENDITURES BY DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE PSC REPORT, AND THE SETTLED LITIGATION AND OTHER SETTLED CLAIMS. OVER $50,000 REPORT FOR JUNE 30TH, 2025 WAS SUBMITTED TO THIS COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 24TH IN SUPPORT OF THE YEAR END ORDINANCE. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE MAY REQUIRE REVISION SHOULD FURTHER AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS BE REQUIRED. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU IDENTIFIES THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUS AND PROPOSED PROJECTS FOR APPROPRIATION FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 YEAR END CLOSEOUT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT METRO IS CURRENTLY UNDER AUDIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. WHILE MANAGEMENT IS CONFIDENT THAT THE AMOUNTS PRESENTED ARE ACCURATE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POTENTIAL THAT ADJUSTMENTS COULD BE IDENTIFIED. ONCE THE AUDIT IS FINALIZED, THE AUDIT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLICATION AS REQUIRED IN LATE DECEMBER. AT THE TOP OF THIS SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE START THE YEAR END BUDGET RECONCILIATION WITH THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE SURPLUS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. REVENUES. GENERAL FUND REVENUES EXCEEDED THE BUDGET BY $48.6 MILLION. SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM SEVERAL OF OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE SOURCES INCLUDE THE TOTAL OCCUPATION LICENSE. OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE TAX PAYMENTS, INCLUDING THE INSURANCE PREMIUM, INCREASED 5.1% OVER LAST YEAR AND EXCEEDED THE BUDGET BY APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION. THE WATER COMPANY DIVIDEND CAME IN ABOUT 6 MILLION, HIGHER THAN BUDGET AT 34 MILLION. OUR INVESTMENT INCOME TOTALED 20 MILLION MORE THAN BUDGET AT 24 MILLION, AND THEN PROPERTY TAX AND CHARGES FOR SERVICES 
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COMBINED INCREASED BY APPROXIMATELY 11 MILLION OVER BUDGET. REVENUES HAVE PERFORMED POSITIVE OVER BUDGET FOR THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS, AND THE FIRST QUARTER OF FY 26 ALSO INDICATES A POSITIVE TREND. OMB WILL FURTHER UPDATE THIS COMMITTEE ON THE FY 26 GENERAL FUND REVENUE ESTIMATE DURING THE THIRD QUARTER. NEXT, WE ACCOUNT FOR THE EXPENDITURE ACTIVITY. THE AGENCY'S, IN AGGREGATE, WERE 3.4 MILLION UNDER EXPENDED. MOST AGENCIES ENDED THE YEAR EITHER ON BUDGET OR IN A SURPLUS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW AGENCIES THAT EXPERIENCED INCREASED OPERATIONAL COSTS DUE PRIMARILY TO UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME AND OTHER UNBUDGETED EXPENSES. OF THE TOTAL SURPLUS GENERATED THROUGH ADDITIONAL REVENUES WAS APPROXIMATELY 48.8 MILLION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED TO FUND FY 26, AND THEN THERE WERE UNREIMBURSED GRANT EXPENDITURES OF 229,000. IN THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND THAT WERE TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND AND INVESTMENT INTEREST OF 1.9 MILLION, THAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL FUND FOR A NET REDUCTION IN THE GENERAL FUND OF $2.2 MILLION. THE FINAL PIECE OF THIS RECONCILIATION CONSISTS OF GASB ACCOUNTING ADJUSTMENTS, SUCH AS CHANGES IN OUR INVENTORIES, LONG TERM LOAN RECEIVABLES, CARRYFORWARDS, AND ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS YEAR'S SURPLUS WAS LARGELY LARGELY DRIVEN BY UNBUDGETED INVESTMENT INCOME DUE TO STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS AND PRUDENT MANAGEMENT OF DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, PERSONNEL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS AND WAGES COMMISERATE WITH MARKET RATE COMPETITION WILL NEED TO BE CONSIDERED PERMANENT INCREASES TO OPERATIONAL COSTS AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE. SUCCESSFUL REVENUE COLLECTION AND MEASURED EXPENDITURE OF RESOURCES ARE CRITICAL TO ENSURE CONTINUED FINANCIAL STABILITY. THIS FINAL SLIDE, OR SECOND SLIDE, JUST PROVIDES A SUMMARY OF THE SOURCES OF FUNDS AND THE PROPOSED USES OF THOSE FUNDS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION OR PROPOSAL OF THOSE USES. NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE 9.5 MILLION OF YEAR END SURPLUS AT THE TOP, THERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF REVENUE TO BE REAPPROPRIATED FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CAPITAL BUDGETS. THE UOFL HEALTH MARY AND ELIZABETH HOSPITAL BIRTHING CENTER, FAMILY HEALTH CENTERS, MARINE HOSPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND FY 25 HOME FUNDS. THAT BRINGS US TO A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 17 MILLION. AND I DIDN'T PLAN TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE LIST, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE MY COMMENTS THERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. NO OKAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR. AND IS IT NOW IS IT APPROPRIATE NOW. IS IT APPROPRIATE NOW COUNCILMAN PARRISH RIGHT. IS THAT YOU, COUNCILMAN PARRISH? RIGHT. IS THAT YOU? YES. ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS OR MAKING COMMENTS ON WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THERE WILL BE AN AMENDMENT FOR THE THE OTHER THING THAT MARCUS SENT OUT THIS MORNING. RIGHT. SO MY MY COMMENTS ARE NOT ON THE PRESENTATION AS MUCH AS IT IS THE PROCESS OF THIS. AS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THIS IS MY SECOND YEAR ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT HAD AS MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH A CITY BUDGET AS SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, I DO MANAGE BUDGETS OF 100,000 TO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND BUDGETS. I EXPECTED THIS PROCESS TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE, AT LEAST ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE COMMITTEES. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S 26 OF US, AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION. BUT WE DO NEED A MORE PUBLIC PROCESS. I AM A RELUCTANT YES, BECAUSE I'M IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. I HAD REALLY STRONG AND I SUPPORTED THE LEGISLATION PRESENTED BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL FOR WHERE THAT OTHER 5 MILLION THAT WAS NOT ALLOCATED THE WAY IT WAS. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT EXPLANATION OF THAT, MR. CHAIR, BUT IT STILL LEFT A LOT OF HOLES. AND I KNOW YOU'RE DECIDING TO PULL YOUR SPONSORSHIP FOR YOUR LEGISLATION, BUT IN THAT AREA, IN THAT DISTRICT, IN THE SURROUNDING DISTRICTS, A LOT OF US, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL HAD THAT WAS NEVER HEARD. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WASN'T HEARD. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE BACKGROUND. 
          I GET THAT YOU AND COUNCILMAN WINKLER ARE ARE PRIMARY AND A LOT OF THIS DECISION MAKING. 
          BUT TO THE PUBLIC, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT AT THE TABLE FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE DECISIONS. SO THEN THIS INFORMATION IS PRESENTED AND THEN WE'RE MAKING A DECISION. 
          AND IF I SAY NO I'VE COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING GOOD LEGISLATION, GOOD BUDGET EXPENDITURES, ESPECIALLY AS IT COMES TO THE NEEDS THAT ARE MET. WE THIS YEAR, IN OUR EARLIER BUDGET PROCESS, WE TOLD A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS, WE TOLD A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, CUT YOUR BUDGET, 
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YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FUND YOU. AND NOW WE HAVE THIS SURPLUS. AND NOW WHEN THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS IDENTIFIED, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I'M A RELUCTANT. YES, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD PROJECTS BEING FUNDED THROUGH YOUR DECISION MAKING. BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND ON RECORD THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS PROCESS IS AS PUBLIC AND AS INCLUSIVE AS IT SHOULD BE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE REAL PICTURE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING. THAT IS MY ONLY COMMENT. I DON'T WANT TO BE NEGATIVE. I DON'T WANT ANY RETALIATORY THIN HAPPENING. OH, SHE DON'T CARE. IT'S NOT NONE OF THAT. I WANT POOLS. I WANT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL WANT. BUT THERE IS TOO MUCH. THIS PROCESS IS SO CONVOLUTED THAT I HAVE A HARD TIME EXPLAINING TO MY CONSTITUENTS HOW THESE DECISIONS CAME ABOUT WHEN I, AS ON AS A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEMBER, WAS NOT ASKED ABOUT THAT, I WAS CALLED ABOUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. BUT I WAS NEVER CALLED ABOUT MY OPINION ON THIS. SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO SHARE. I WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND I HOPE THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE A BETTER, MORE INCLUSIVE PROCESS THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC. BECAUSE WHERE IS THE MEETING SPACE TO DO THIS IN OTHER WAYS? IF YOU ALL ARE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS WITH THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THEN WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO EITHER VOTE OR DON'T, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE PROJECTS AND THINGS ARE GETTING FUNDED AND SOME NOT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE CONSTITUENTS HOW THIS BREAK DOWN. I IN MY LAST PART IS I HAD A CALL FROM THE PEOPLE WITH THE NIA CENTER ON THE MAINTENANCE THAT NEVER HAPPENED THAT WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND WHERE WAS THAT? AND THEN I ALSO HAD A CALL FROM THE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION OFFICE, WHO WAS $40,000 SHORT ON THEIR BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO FUND, WHICH IS ALSO MATCHED AT ANOTHER LEVEL WITH THE STATE AND FEDERAL. SO IT'S LIKE ALL THESE OTHER COMPETING THINGS THAT I WANT TO GIVE THEM SOLID ANSWERS ABOUT THAT I DID NOT GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I AM A RELUCTANT YES, BECAUSE THERE'S POSITIVE IN THIS. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ON RECORD THAT THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN A BETTER WAY, AND IT'S OKAY TO UPDATE IT. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND SO YOU HAVE YOUR WAY. BUT AS THINGS CHANGE, AS WE'RE ALL GETTING MORE INVOLVED, ENGAGED CIVICALLY, WE NEED TO DO OUR DUTY TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE MORE A MORE PUBLIC PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN. 
          CHAPEL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'LL ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH WRIGHT SAID AND THAT THE PROCESS AROUND THIS IS CONVOLUTED. IT'S OPAQUE AND HONESTLY UNFAIR. AGAIN, I THINK A BASIC CIVICS COURSE WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO UNDERSTAND THE VARIOUS BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS CHECKS AND BALANCES. THIS IS A BUDGET THAT WAS FED TO US THAT WE HAD NO OPINION ON, AND I AM VERY DISHEARTENED THAT MY LEGISLATION ABOUT MARY AND ELIZABETH HOSPITAL WAS NEVER HEARD, ALTHOUGH I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT ONE OF THE PIECES I WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MONEY GOING TO AMERICANA CENTER, THEIR FAMILY HEALTH CENTER. 
          THERE IS ACTUALLY MORE IN THIS BUDGET THAN IT WAS IN MY PROPOSED BUDGET, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM AND EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WHILE I AM SO, SO GRATEFUL THAT THEY ARE GETTING THAT MONEY, I WILL BE VOTING NO ON THIS LEGISLATION. I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO GET MANY PEOPLE TO BUDGE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE AGAIN, BEING FORCE FED, I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE ANIMAL SERVICES AMOUNT, BECAUSE I DID TALK TO DIRECTOR MCCLINTON, THE $75,000 THAT IS PUT INTO THIS BUDGET FOR A VETERINARIAN IS PENNIES. AND COMPARED TO WHAT A VETERINARIAN SHOULD BE MAKING, ESPECIALLY ONE IN THE PRIVATE MARKET. BUT I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY A PORTION OF THAT ENTIRE SALARY. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO OUR ANIMAL COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING GOOD PEOPLE IN THESE POSITIONS. THAT THAT WAGE IS HIGHER THAN $75,000. AND THEN MY QUESTION IN THIS IS, THERE'S $11 MILLION THAT LMPD IS GETTING IN THIS BUDGET BETWEEN OPERATING AND CAPITAL EXPENSES. IN OUR LAST BUDGET, I BELIEVE LMPD GOT JUST SHY OF $300 MILLION. AND TO HEAR THAT THEY HAVE UNFORTUNATELY GONE OVER THAT AMOUNT BY $11 MILLION IS OF CONCERN. AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO THAT. AND I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S FOR OVER TIME, BUT IF IT'S FOR OVERTIME, WHY WASN'T THAT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IN THE SPRING TIME? AND I BELIEVE THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT IS 11,448,000 AND 
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$600 TO LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ENDED THE YEAR IN OVERSPENT ESSENTIALLY. AND SO WE DO HAVE TO BALANCE THEM BY TRANSFERRING THAT MONEY THERE. WE BALANCE OUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. IT IS PRIMARILY RELATED TO OVERTIME. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I THINK THERE WERE MAYBE SOME OTHER SMALLER UNBUDGETED EXPENSES, BUT THAT PERSONNEL AND OVERTIME ARE YOUR LARGEST EXPENSE THERE IN TERMS OF WHY IT WASN'T BUDGETED. YOU KNOW, WE BUDGET BASED ON A TREND AND WHAT WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME ESSENTIALLY. SO THINGS THAT COME UP THERE OVERTIME NEEDS AND THEY REALLY I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE IS FROM LMPD TONIGHT, BUT THEY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT OVERTIME OCCURS. BUT BUT WHEN WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND ANALYZING IT, THEN THAT IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF OF THAT. THANK YOU. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THERE IS NO ONE ACTIVELY IN LMPD IN THIS ROOM, I BELIEVE. AND HERE WE ARE GIVING THEM A MILLION MORE DOLLARS ON TOP OF THE 300 MILLION ON TOP OF THE 100 MILLION THAT THEY WANT FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS FACILITY IN 72 MILLION THAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR POLICE HEADQUARTERS. I THINK THIS IS ABSURD. AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T GET ANSWERS AND WE'RE JUST TOLD, OH, THEY WENT OVER $11 MILLION. CAN WE SEE ANY DOCUMENTATION ON THAT OVERTIME, ON WHO THAT WAS? HOW MANY OFFICERS, HOW MANY HOURS? IS THIS AN EXPECTED COST FOR ONGOING? WE CAN WORK WITH LMPD TO PULL TOGETHER SOME MORE DETAILED REPORTS FOR YOU THAT THAT WE CAN GET TO YOU. I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME TODAY. I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. AND I THINK FROM AN ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT, THAT'S IMPORTANT. SURE. COUNCILMAN WINKLER YEAH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. AND JUST THE 11 MILLION IS THE TRUE FOR THE FY 25 BUDGET THAT ENDED JUNE 30TH, RIGHT. SO THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THIS IS NOT MONEY GOING INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. IT IS BY THE TIME YOU RECONCILED ALL THE BOOKS, YOU REALIZE THAT 11 MILLION WAS MORE SPENT THAN WHAT YOU HAD ANTICIPATED. WHEN YOU WHEN. WELL, I GUESS ACTUALLY WHEN WE PRESENTED THE BUDGET APRIL OF 24. RIGHT. AND THEN DECEMBER OF 20 OF 24 FOR THE REST OF THE 25 FISCAL YEAR. CORRECT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINENGER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WASN'T IN THE QUEUE UNTIL THAT LAST COMMENT, BUT I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IN OUR BUDGET HEARINGS ON POLICE SPENDING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, PART OF WHAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH LMPD ABOUT WAS OVERTIME SPENDING AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY WE WERE LOOKING AT INCREASES OR DECREASES BASED ON ACCOUNTING, ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ALLOCATING FOR THIS YEAR. AND ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS THAT THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE PULLING BACK SOME OF THAT MONEY IN THE BUDGET ON THE OVERTIME SPENDING. 
          AND NOW HERE IT IS, IT'S BACK. AND SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUE IS SAYING IN TERMS OF THE BALANCE SHEET AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS BUDGET ADJUSTMENT FOR THE MID-YEAR, BUT IT IS STILL GERMANE AND VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE INCREASING POLICE SPENDING EVERY YEAR. AND HERE WE ARE, EVEN IN THE BACK END, WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE MISUNDERSTANDING THE BUDGET WHEN IN THE HEARING, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERTIME SPENDING. BUT NOW IT'S BACK UP AND SO WE ARE FURTHER INCREASING IT. I DO THINK THAT THE POINT WAS GERMANE, NO MATTER WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FY 25 OR FY 26, WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT INCREASED POLICE SPENDING. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MCCRANEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I AM PRESENT IN THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAD BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED. I JUST WANT THAT FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. SECOND, THERE IS AN APPROPRIATION FOR $500,000 FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND IT HAS AN INDICATION THAT IT'S FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH I CERTAINLY SUPPORT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION OPENLY FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET AN ANSWER AS TO WHY ISN'T THAT $500,000 ALLOCATED TO A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT? I UNDERSTAND THAT MARIA LADERMAN IS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND SHE WORKS WITH THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, BUT WHY ISN'T THE $500,000 ABSOLUTELY DEDICATED TO A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT? AND IF IF IT CAN'T BE, WHY NOT? IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE ALLOCATED TO A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT. AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS AN INITIATIVE THAT IS BEING RAN BY DOCTOR LEDERMAN IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. AND LET HER IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE 
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RECORD, PLEASE. MARIA LEDERMAN AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. SO I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I THINK AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT'S KIND OF UNCUSTOMARY. SO THE REASON THAT THAT MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS THAT WITH THE NEW POSITION AND THE MAYOR ELEVATING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FOR THE CITY, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS A PRIORITY AND TOP INITIATIVE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. SO THAT WORK IS GOING TO BE STREAMLINED OUT OF MY OFFICE. I WILL BE DIRECTING THAT. AND SO THE REASON THAT THE MONEY IS GOING INTO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS SO THAT WE CAN DEPLOY THOSE SERVICES AND PUT THOSE INTO PLACE IMMEDIATELY, WITH IT BEING THE TOP PRIORITY FOR THE MAYOR. THANK YOU. DOCTOR, MAY I, MISTER CHAIRMAN, HAVE A FOLLOW UP? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST STATED AND IT MAKES SENSE IN THE TERMS THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING. 
          HOWEVER, IS THERE A SOME TYPE OF STRATEGIC PLAN? IS THERE SOME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION THAT WE CAN SEE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE $500,000 IS BEING SPENT AND HOW IT'S BEING SPENT IN THAT? I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING MORE WITH THE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES PART OF IT, BUT I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL HOUSING. AND SO IF I COULD UNDERSTAND BETTER WHERE THE $500,000 WILL BE ALLOCATED, PERHAPS THAT WOULD ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS REALLY BEING ADDRESSED. ABSOLUTELY. SO ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE IN REGARDS TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR HOUSING COMMUNITY AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THERE IS A HOME FOR GOOD COALITION THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US. SO ALL OF THE SERVICES AND WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE DOCUMENTED. AND HAPPY TO SHARE HOW ALL OF THOSE FUNDS WILL BE UTILIZED. BUT BASICALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO BUCKETS. SO ANY FUNDING WILL BE RELATED EITHER TO HOUSING. SO ANYTHING RELATED TO RENTAL ASSISTANCE OR PRIMARILY SERVICES. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SERVICES THAT WOULD BE VARIOUS CONTRACTS WITH TREATMENT PROVIDERS OR SOCIAL SERVICES AND WORKING WITH LANDLORDS TO GET FOLKS INTO HOUSING. SO REALLY THOSE ARE GOING TO BE OUR TWO MAIN AREAS OF WHERE THAT FUNDING WOULD GO, AS WELL AS ANY ADDITIONAL SUPPORT THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE. BUT ALL OF THAT WILL, OF COURSE, BE DOCUMENTED AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THAT. AND ULTIMATELY, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT BE VISIBLE SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND GETTING THEM THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. YES, IT'S ALL SOUNDS GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN END REQUEST DOCUMENTATION UP FRONT OUTLINING WHAT YOU JUST STATED. DO YOU NOT HAVE THAT ALREADY IN PLACE TO WHERE YOU COULD PROVE TO US BEFORE WE ALLOCATE THE MONIES WHERE EACH POCKET OF MONEY YOU SAY THERE'S TWO POCKETS, CAN YOU SEND ME AND THE REST OF US THE INFORMATION ON HOW YOUR PLANS ARE TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS? THAT'S GENERALLY HOW IT WORKS. YES. SO I WILL WORK WITH ANGIE AND OUR OFFICE TO LOGISTICALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO SEND THAT OUT. BUT YES, THERE'S A PLAN OF HOW MUCH SERVICES COST AND WHERE MONEY IS INTENDED TO GO, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH WHATEVER THE PROPER OUTLET IS FOR THAT. CAN WE GET THAT BEFORE THURSDAY? YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO ASK I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AMEND BY SUBSTITUTION MOTION. 
          OKAY. IT'S PROBABLY BEFORE US. SO COUNCILMAN WINKLER WILL OFFER US A BRIEF EXPLANATION, AND I THINK WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE FOR SOME MORE SPECIFICS. YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. KRAMER. AND I THINK, BETH, WE'LL HAVE YOU SPEAK TO IT HERE IN JUST A SECOND. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION REFLECTS THE COLLECTIVE PRIORITIES, I THINK, OF OF COUNCIL AND OUR RESPECTIVE CAUCUSES. CHAIR KRAMER AND I WORKED ON THIS LAST NIGHT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL, LOOKING AT THE MAYOR'S ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AND THEN MAKING MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT THAT FOLKS IN THIS CHAMBER HAVE HAVE ECHOED AS AS THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. I'LL MAKE JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF HIGHLIGHTS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ONES OR TWO OF THE ONES THAT STAND OUT THAT I THINK ARE WORTH MENTIONING. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE PASSED THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD, PARTICULARLY FROM FOLKS IN THE HOUSING ADVOCACY SPACE, WAS 
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THAT WE DID NOT PUT MORE MONEY INTO DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. AND BETWEEN AN ALLOCATION AND THE HOME FUND REALLOCATION THAT'S PROPOSED HERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE $1,250,000 TOWARDS DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. I THINK THAT'S VERY WELCOME ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN SECONDARILY, A A 24 HOUR RESPITE CARE CENTER THAT I KNOW MANY HAVE ADVOCATED FOR. WE HAD A MODEL ALONG THOSE LINES YEARS AGO CALLED THE LIVING ROOM. AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A ONE TIME INVESTMENT TO CREATE A RESPITE CARE CENTER. YOU KNOW, THE THE INITIAL START UP COST OF THAT CENTER ARE NON REIMBURSABLE BY MEDICAID. BUT ONCE THIS CENTER IS IS ESTABLISHED THE BELIEF IS THAT IT WILL BE SELF-SUSTAINING. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST KIND OF INVESTMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE. SO I WANTED TO CALL THOSE TWO THINGS OUT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS IN HERE. BETH WILL WALK US THROUGH THOSE. AND SO I WANTED TO AGAIN THANK CHAIR KRAMER FOR THE PARTNERSHIP, THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE PARTNERSHIP. AND THEN IF THE CHAIR ALLOWS, I'D LIKE TO THROW IT OVER TO BETH TO TALK THROUGH THE SPECIFICS, MISS STEINBERG. THAT'S WITH THE COUNCIL. EXCUSE ME. YOU HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS RECEIVED BEFORE THIS MEETING AN OUTLINE OF ALL THE CHANGES, AND YOU ALSO HAVE BEFORE YOU THE AMENDED SUBSTITUTION VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE. IF WHAT I WILL DO IS INSTEAD OF GOING PAGE BY PAGE THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, I'M JUST GOING TO LIST OUT FOR YOU WHAT DOCUMENT YOU ALREADY HAVE. 
          SO WE GET IT FOR THE RECORD OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY CHANGING IN THIS DOCUMENTATION. SO FROM THE MAYOR'S ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THERE, THE FOLLOWING ARE BEING CHANGED. THERE IS. THE REINSTATEMENT OF UNALLOCATED BILL FUNDS IS BEING DECREASED TO 631 THREE 4577. THE NEWBURGH COMMUNITY CENTER IS BEING INCREASED TO 1.5 MILLION. THE ABBEY PARK LIGHTING PROJECT IS NOW $150,000. THERE IS AN LMPD LIGHTING PILOT PROJECT IN PUBLIC WORKS FOR 75,000. SUN VALLEY POOL IS BEING INCREASED BY $1.5 MILLION FROM THE ALLOCATION THAT'S ALREADY IN THE FY 26 BUDGET. THERE IS A NEW ITEM, THE CRISIS CARE CENTER, THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WINKLER JUST DISCUSSED OF 1.150 $1,150,000. THERE IS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, A SIDE BY SIDE FOR THE EIGHTH DIVISION POLICE FOR $40,000, $250,000 FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IN COMMUNITY HOUSING, THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS AN OVERTIME FOR ATV ENFORCEMENT FROM THE LATEST LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED FOR $50,000 AND LMPD. THERE IS $60,000 IN BOTH THE ABC AND PUBLIC HEALTH FOR A POSITION TO HELP WITH THE MASSAGE ORDINANCE ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED. ANOTHER WAY IS GETTING $40,000 FOR SIGNAGE. THERE IS $40,000 IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR VETERANS MONUMENT AT SOUTHWEST GOVERNMENT CENTER. IMPROVEMENTS. THERE IS $50,000 IN PARKS AND RECREATION OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE PARKS, CAPITAL THEFT DETERRENCE, AND $55,000 IS BEING ADDED TO A CAPITAL PROJECT IN THE FY 26 BUDGET. THE SCIENCE CENTER IMAX IMPROVEMENTS. THERE IS ALSO AND I NEED TO SWITCH MY SCREEN. THERE IS IN THE FY 26 BUDGET, AN ITEM FOR $3 MILLION FOR THE WEST END IMPROVEMENTS. THERE IS $200,000 OF THAT MONEY THAT'S NOT NEEDED FOR THE FIRE REHABILITATION HOUSE. THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE CENTER FOR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THEIR BLOCK. 
          HELP ME THERE. BLOCK VIOLENCE. I'M SORRY. IT'S BLOCK VIOLENCE INTERVENTION, COMMUNITY INTERVENTION, I THINK. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT RIGHT. I'M SORRY. THAT'S BLOCK FOCUSED COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT IS IN THE DOCUMENTATION IS THAT WE'RE SWITCHING SOME FUNDING SOURCES BETWEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WITHIN THAT OFFICE &-P. THERE'S NO NEW MONEY. IT'S JUST SWITCHING FUNDING SOURCES. AND THAT'S A SUMMARY. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BETH ONLY CALLED OUT THE CHANGES. AND SO IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR THINGS LIKE AMERICANA 
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BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T CHANGE, YOU HEARD $250,000 FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. THAT'S 250,000 ON TOP OF THE MILLION THAT THE MAYOR PROPOSED. SO YOU CAN'T JUST GO ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          YOU HAVE TO COMBINE THAT WITH THE UNDERLYING. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU. GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS COLLEAGUES? OKAY. COUNCILMAN LINENGER, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'LL BE VOTING FOR THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK THAT THESE ARE POSITIVE CHANGES TO THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET. I'M ESPECIALLY HAPPY TO SEE IN THIS OVERALL ADJUSTMENT, THE FUNDING FOR THE CRISIS CENTER. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FUNDS TO BE WORKING ON PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. THESE ARE BIG PRIORITIES AND THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING VERY SERIOUSLY FOR WHAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE GETTING SOME EQUIPMENT THEY NEED, BUT LIKE MY COLLEAGUE FROM DISTRICT 15, I AM DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND AGAIN, AS I'VE PREVIOUSLY STATED ON THE BUDGET, I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN METRO GOVERNMENT IS THAT WE OVERSPEND ON POLICE. I THINK THAT WE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY LESS SAFE BECAUSE OF AN OVERRELIANCE ON ONE ASPECT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT THAT IS THAT WE THROW MONEY AT LMPD. WE HAVE DOUBLED WHAT WE SPEND ON POLICING SINCE WE MERGED THE CITY. IN THE COUNTY, WE ARE NOT SAFER. IT'S TIME TO TRY OTHER STRATEGIES. I CANNOT VOTE FOR THE MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT THAT PUTS MORE MONEY INTO LMPD, SO I WILL BE A NO ON THE MAIN MOTION AFTER THE AMENDMENT. ANY OTHERS? WE HAVE THIS AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION BEFORE US. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED. SEEING NO ONE OPPOSED WE HAVE THE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE BEFORE US. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE AMENDED ORDINANCE BEFORE I TAKE A VOTE? CAN I SAY ONE FINAL COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE TIME. SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT LMPD AND THE BUDGETING. LMPD, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS. WHEN WE REVIEWED THE BUDGET THAT WAS THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US IN 2025, 26 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. IT WAS REFERENCING THINGS THAT WERE TO COME AND WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THE $11 MILLION THAT WAS DISCUSSED TO BRING FORWARD AS COUNCILMAN WINKLER, I THINK, VERY WELL DESCRIBED. IT'S INTENDED TO RECONCILE FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. SO, AGAIN, TYPICALLY WHEN AN ORGANIZATION OR AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPS A BUDGET, YOU ASSESS WHAT THE NEEDS ARE TO COME AND YOUR ANTICIPATED OUTCOME OF THE YEAR OF WHAT WAS ALLOCATED APPROPRIATELY. SO YES, THEY ALSO REVIEW LESSONS LEARNED, BUT I THINK THAT MAKES AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THE INCREASE IN THIS INTERIM BUDGET LMPD IS. LMPD HAS ALWAYS EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO RETURN AT ANY TIME TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT BUDGET VERSUS THE ACTUALS, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND REACHING OUT AND ASKING THEM FOR INFORMATION OR INVITING THEM BACK FOR FUTURE BUDGET MEETINGS. GREAT. THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. CALLS FOR ROLL CALL VOTE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILMAN. PARISH RIGHT. COUNCILMAN. PARISH RIGHT. YES. COUNCILMAN. MCCRANEY. YES. 
          COUNCILMAN. OWEN. YES. COUNCILWOMAN. MULVEY. WOOLDRIDGE. YES. CHAIR. KRAMER. 
          YOU HAVE NINE YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. THE ITEM PASSES AND WE'LL GO TO OLD BUSINESS. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. I SAID I'M TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF OUT OF ORDER, BUT 
          [5.
 R-045-25     A RESOLUTION OF THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT, KENTUCKY, GIVING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF AN INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND FINANCING FOR CHURCHILL DOWNS INCORPORATED AND ITS AFFILIATES; AUTHORIZING INITIATION OF THE ACQUISITION, CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT RELATED THERETO; AGREEING TO UNDERTAKE THE ISSUANCE OF A SERIES OF INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME; AND TAKING OTHER PRELIMINARY ACTION.
11/6/25 Budget Committee  Held
Action Required By: April 30, 2026
10/23/25 Budget Committee  Held
9/18/25 Budget Committee  Held
9/4/25 Budget Committee  Held
8/7/25 Budget Committee  Held
6/23/25 Special Budget Committee Held
6/16/25 Special Budget Committee  Held
6/5/25 Budget Committee  Held
5/8/25 Budget Committee  Held
Action Required By: October 24, 2025
Sponsors: Kevin Kramer (R-11), Markus Winkler (D-17)]
THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THIS IS RESOLUTION OH 4525. IT IS A RESOLUTION OF THE LOUISVILLE JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT, KENTUCKY, GIVING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF AN INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND FINANCING FOR CHURCHILL DOWNS INCORPORATED AND ITS AFFILIATES, AUTHORIZING INITIATION OF THE ACQUISITION, CONSTRUCTION, AND INSTALLATION OF AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS RELATED TO RELATED THERETO. AGREEING TO UNDERTAKE THE ISSUANCE OF A SERIES OF INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, AND TAKING OTHER PRELIMINARY ACTION. CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION? GREAT. THANK YOU. SO ITEM IS PROPERLY BEFORE US. I BELIEVE SOMEONE FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS, ERIC, IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS. AND JEFF O'BRIEN IS HERE AS WELL. SO IF THE TWO OF YOU WILL JOIN US. GOOD AFTERNOON JEFF, IF YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YES, SIR. 
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KICK US OFF. THANK YOU. JEFF O'BRIEN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT. AND, MR. FURLONG, I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF. IT HIT. 
          YEAH. TURN IT ON AT THE BOTTOM THERE. ERIC FERLAND, VICE PRESIDENT OF CORPORATE TAX AT CHURCHILL DOWNS. THANK YOU, MR. FERLAND. JUST REAL QUICKLY OVERVIEW ON THE INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND. SO THIS JUST FIRST AND FOREMOST THIS IS CONDUIT DEBT. SO METRO GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY ISSUING DIRECT GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THIS. THIS IS A CONDUIT DEBT. WE CEDE SOME OF OUR PRIVATE BOND CAP TO CHURCHILL DOWNS TO FACILITATE THE PROJECT. 
          THE BOND AMOUNT IS $1.2 BILLION. WE EXPECT THAT THIS WILL BE ISSUED IN SEVERAL SERIES. THIS IS TO FACILITATE AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AT THE CHURCHILL DOWNS RACETRACK, THE FIRST PHASE OF WHICH WILL START AFTER DERBY AND SPRING, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER OF 2026. AND THAT WILL BE TO BUILD SOME ADDITIONAL SEATS NEAR THE NEAR THE SKY TERRACE. A PORTION OF THAT FACILITY WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND THEY'LL FILL IN THE GAP IN THE SMILE, AS IT WERE, AT THE FIRST TURN. THIS, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THE THE SUBSEQUENT PHASES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A SUBSEQUENT AN ADDITIONAL TUNNEL UNDER THE TRACK AND SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING ON THE INFIELD WOULD TAKE PLACE IN FUTURE YEARS. SOME CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL FILING OF THIS ORDINANCE IS THE PILOT PAYMENT WILL GO TO JC USING THEIR CURRENT CURRENT RATE AS PART OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND, THE EXISTING ERB THAT EXISTS ON THE TRACK. SO IF YOU GO TO THE PVA TO OUR LOGIC SITE AND LOOK IT UP ON LOGIC, IT APPEARS THAT LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT OWNS IT. WE OWN IT AND LEASE IT BACK TO CHURCHILL DOWNS FOR PURPOSES OF TAX. THAT'S PART OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND PROCESS IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY. IT ALLOWS US TO ABATE OUR LOCAL PROPERTY TAX, BUT SCHOOL DISTRICTS CAN OPT OUT OF THAT. AND JC DOES OPT OUT. THE METRO WILL BE THE OWNER WILL WORK OUT A LEASE TERM WITH CHURCHILL DOWNS. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY 20 TO 30 YEARS. SO THAT WILL THAT WILL COMMENCE ONCE WE ONCE WE ONCE THEY ACTUALLY ISSUE THE BONDS AND BEGIN THE PROJECT, IT WILL ALLOW ABATEMENT OF THE METRO TAXES. THAT'S BOTH THE METRO FISCAL COURT TAX AND THE URBAN SERVICES TAX. THE AS I SAID, THE PILOT, THERE WILL BE A PILOT PAYMENT MADE TO JC AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND MR. FERLAND FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO JUST TWO AND I THINK YOU SAID BOTH OF THESE THINGS BUT IT'S VERY QUICK. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS HERE FIRST ALL OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR REPAYMENT OF THIS FALLS TO CHURCHILL DOWNS. AND WE HAVE NO RISK HERE. THAT IS CORRECT. THERE IS NO RISK TO METRO GOVERNMENT. THIS IS CONDUIT DEBT. CHURCHILL DOWNS WILL BE DIRECTLY MAKING THE PAYMENTS. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE SECOND THING YOU MENTIONED THE PALLET THAT WILL GO TO JC. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, YOU DID SAY THAT JC HAS HAS NOT AGREED TO FOREGO THAT. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE ATTORNEYS AND FROM THE STATE THAT WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THOSE PALLET FUNDS IF THAT DECISION IS MADE BY JC, AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONTROL. THAT IS CORRECT. YES. OKAY, GREAT. I'M JUST MAKE SURE I GOT THOSE TWO THINGS. MR. FALLIN, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. I WAS HOPING YOU COULD SPEAK JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE PROJECT ITSELF. PROJECT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE HOPING TO DO, THAT YOU GUYS ARE HOPING TO DO PHASES WITH THE 1.2 BILLION. SO YEAH, CERTAINLY I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ECHO. I APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE. I WAS HOPING YOU COULD SHARE WITH US JUST A BIT ABOUT CHURCHILL DOWNS PLANS OVER THE OVER THE YEARS WITH THAT 1.2 BILLION, WHAT THOSE PHASES MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE END PRODUCT WOULD BE. AND, AND IN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHAT A TIMELINE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. NOT THAT ANYONE WILL HOLD YOU TO THE TIMELINE, BUT JUST TO GIVE US KIND OF A GENERAL SENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I THINK WE SHARED WITH YOU IN THE SPRING, ROUGHLY 900 MILLION TO $1 BILLION PLAN THAT INCLUDED SOME OF THE THINGS JEFF ALLUDED TO, A TUNNEL UNDERNEATH THE TRACK, A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INFIELD, INCLUDING PERMANENT STRUCTURES AND PERMANENT SUITES. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE HOPE TO AND EXPECT TO ACCOMPLISH AS PART OF THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. WE WENT THROUGH THE TARIFF ISSUES AND COSTS BECAME VERY UNCERTAIN, AND SO WE HAD TO BACK UP AND AND THE BOARD WOULD NOT APPROVE THAT 
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WHOLE PROJECT ALL AT ONCE. SO WE'RE WE'RE DOING THIS IN PHASES. SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT RELYING ON OUR BOARD TO APPROVE THESE IN THE FUTURE. THEY'VE APPROVED THEY PENDING THE INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND, HAVE APPROVED THE ROUGHLY 300 SOME ODD MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THAT WILL DO CLOSE. WHAT JEFF REFERRED TO IN OUR CEO REFERS TO AS OUR GAP IN THE SMILE, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE SKY TERRACE AND THE FIRST TURN. SO THAT WOULD BE FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD OCCUR STARTING IMMEDIATELY AFTER DERBY 2026. AND WE'LL TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS. THE OTHER PROJECTS WOULD FOLLOW SUIT, AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NO DEFINITE ON THIS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU NOT HOLDING US TO IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY EXPECTATION. WOULD THEY THEY'D BE 5 TO 7 YEARS TO COMPLETE THOSE ITEMS. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          MY BACKGROUND IS IN EDUCATION. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED EARLY IS STATE THE OBVIOUS. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WE'RE LOOKING IN RBE OF 1.2 BILLION. YOU WILL ONLY BE DRAWING DOWN ON THAT IN THE PHASES AS YOU GO FORWARD. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO DO A BOND FOR 1.2 MILLION AND THEN SPEND A PORTION OF IT. YOU WILL ONLY BOND THAT WHICH YOU NEED AS YOU NEED IT. AND AGAIN, JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS. JUST CORRECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES. ANY QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO BE IN THE QUEUE CHAIR OKAY. WHAT ELSE? SOCIAL MEDIA. OKAY. COUNCILMAN OWEN, YOU'D BE FIRST. SAME HERE. Q. COUNCILMAN, YOUR MICROPHONES OFF. I THINK YOU'RE MUTED ON ACCIDENT. OH, SORRY. THERE YOU GO. JEFF, YOU TALKED ABOUT WE ARE SEEING SOME OF OUR CAP BONDING CAP. AND YOU KNOW, 1.2 BILLION IS QUITE, QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. WHAT IS OUR CAP AND HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE? I JUST WANT TO WONDERING KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. YEAH. THAT'S REALLY NOT COMING OFF OF OUR BORROWING POOL. THE STATE HAS THE STATE HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BONDING CAP THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH ANNUALLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT IT'S FAR IN EXCESS OF $1.2 BILLION. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO ISSUE FUTURE URBS. I THINK IF THERE WERE IF THIS WERE A ROUTINE THING WHERE WE WERE GETTING MULTIPLE BILLION DOLLAR REQUESTS FOR IRBS, THAT THAT MIGHT BECOME AN ISSUE AS WE LOOK AT THE STATE'S TOTAL PRIVATE BOND CAP ABILITY. BUT IT'S NOT THIS WOULD NOT EVEN TOUCH OUR ABILITY TO TO BOND THINGS THAT WE NEED. SO EVEN WITH THE POTENTIAL, I MEAN, WE'VE MADE THE CHANGES THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR TO HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO USE SOME IRB FUNDING FOR HOUSING AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS. EVEN WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING BEING AN ISSUE. NO. GREAT. AS FAR AS A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR ME, AND I'LL JUST BE AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS I CAN HERE I AM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I AM SOMEONE WHO WHO THINKS THAT WE OUGHT TO MAKE IT. WE OUGHT TO BE VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY IN THIS COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY WITH SOME OF OUR KIND OF NAME SAKE CORPORATE PARTNERS LIKE CHURCHILL DOWNS. 
          WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS AT CITY HALL. 
          WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH CHURCHILL DOWNS, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, FOR THE RECORD, THAT MANY OF US IN CITY HALL FEEL LIKE CHURCHILL DOWNS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ABSENT CORPORATE PARTNER AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO I WANT TO STATE THAT JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN YOU GUYS CAME TO US LAST TIME WE DID THIS, CHURCHILL DOWNS WAS HURTING. AND IN A, IN A NOT A VERY STRONG POSITION. 
          AND I THINK STEPPING UP TO HELP CHURCHILL DOWNS AT THAT TIME, I THINK MADE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT CHURCHILL DOWNS IS DOING CURRENTLY IN TERMS OF THE PROFITS THAT THEY ARE MAKING AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF CORPORATE PRESENCE FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS, IT MAKES IT A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT CONVERSATION THIS TIME AROUND FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I TEND TO BE SOMEBODY WHO THINKS THAT WE OUGHT TO BE AS BUSINESS FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE. SO I'M GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS PERISH, RIGHT, COUNCILMAN? PERISH, RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IS THERE A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE FOR THE PAYMENT TO JAKE? I AM EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THAT THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE JUST THINKING ABOUT THE DEFICIT THAT THEY'RE FACING. 
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MR. O'BRIEN. MR. O'BRIEN? YES, WE PAID JAKE. EXACTLY WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAID IF WE DID NOT HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND. IT IS NOT QUITE $1 MILLION, IS MY RECOLLECTION. YEAH. SO, COUNCILWOMAN, WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM IN THE CHAMBERS. OKAY, A HUGE ECHO. SO IF YOU COULD, WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED, IF YOU COULD MUTE AND THEN UNMUTE WHEN YOU NEED TO SPEAK, WHEN YOU NEED TO SPEAK. OKAY, I WILL THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS AS A BORDER DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE AND I GOT PLENTY OF PROJECTS IF YOU ALL ARE LOOKING FOR SOME COMMUNITY PROJECTS, BUT IN ALL OF YOUR IN YOUR EXPANSION, WILL THAT ALL STAY IN DISTRICT 15? DO YOU SEE IT GOING BEYOND THAT? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW SO I CAN INFORM MY CONSTITUENTS, KNOW ALL OF THE ALL OF THE WORK RELATED TO THIS BOND WOULD BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF CHURCHILL DOWNS RACETRACK. COUNCILMAN, ARE YOU SATISFIED? YES. I PUT I USED THE MUTE, BUT THEN I DIDN'T. YES. SAY THAT I HAVE I HAVE PROJECTS IN DISTRICT THREE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS WE HAVE PARKS AND ALL OF THAT. SO THANK THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN HERNDON. YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SIR, IS CHURCHILL DOWNS HERE WANTING TO HAVE ASK US TO DO THE SECOND FAVOR? SECOND BIG FAVOR. ARE YOU WILLING TO GUARANTEE? ARE YOU GUARANTEEING THAT YOU'LL KEEP YOUR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE DURATION OF THIS AGREEMENT? AND I MEAN, NOT JUST THE BUILDING, BUT BUT THE STAFF SALARIES, EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE THE WHOLE THING. I AM NOT THE PERSON TO BE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, AS I'M HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. I DO NOT ANTICIPATE. I CANNOT FATHOM US LEAVING LOUISVILLE, BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS I'M ABLE TO ADDRESS. THAT'S NOT MY AREA. WHO CAN ADDRESS THAT? OUR CEO. 
          OKAY. AND HE'S NOT HERE? NO, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO HER THAT TO BE ADDRESSED. I THINK THAT I WELL I CAN'T I WOULD NOT WANT TO FATHOM IT, BUT I CAN FATHOM IT. BUT BECAUSE OTHER OTHER FOLKS HAVE LEFT. SO I'D LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FAVOR AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL BE HERE FOR THE DURATION OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT BACK TO THE CEO, I WILL I WILL PASS THAT AGAIN. I THAT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. I WILL PASS THAT MESSAGE ALONG AGAIN. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMANEBBER. THANK YOU. TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, WITHIN THE PROCESS, WE USUALLY GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE JOB, THE SALARIES OF THE EXPECTED JOB GROWTH. AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT AS PART OF THIS. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS. I'LL. 
          I'LL LET MR. FREELAND TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS. BUT AGAIN, THIS WHEN WE LOOK AT AN ERB, WE'RE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE PROPERTY TAX IMPACT. SO WE WE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE GENERAL THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. THERE WILL BE SOME POSITIVE JOB AND INVESTMENT NUMBERS, I BELIEVE MR. FREELAND STATED THE CURRENT NUMBER AT JK, WHAT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT JK WILL OR THE PVA WILL GO THROUGH A REGULAR PROCESS OF RE ASSESSING THE CHURCHILL DOWNS. AND YOU MAY HAVE RECALLED A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE THERE WAS AN ERROR AT THE PVA AND THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY ASSESSING THE PROPERTY, SO THE PROPERTY TAX NUMBER WAS LOWER TO JK. SO THAT NUMBER WITH WITH A MAJOR INVESTMENT THAT IS PROPOSED HERE, THAT NUMBER IS LIKELY GOING TO GO UP, WHICH MEANS THE PAYMENT TO JK WOULD LIKELY GO UP. SO BUT IN TERMS OF JOBS AND SALARIES, I'LL LET MR. FREELAND SPEAK TO WHAT EXACTLY THAT WOULD MEAN. THERE WILL BE A TEMPORARY INCREASE WITH CONSTRUCTION AND THEN A PERMANENT INCREASE WITH ADDITIONAL WORKERS. I APOLOGIZE, I DO NOT HAVE THOSE EXACT FIGURES. I WILL SAY THAT THE FROM A JOBS PERSPECTIVE, THESE ARE ALL AREAS THAT ARE WILL LARGELY INCREASE JOBS AS IT RELATES TO DERBY WEEK. AND TO THE EXTENT WE GET BREEDERS CUP, WHICH WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ANOTHER EXTRA TIME EVERY DECADE OR SO THERE'LL BE INCREASED JOBS IN THAT REGARD. THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN JOBS ASIDE FROM THAT, COUNCILMAN, WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE A REVENUE REPORT. I JUST DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. SO WE WILL I WILL SHARE IT WITH THE COMMITTEE AFTER AFTER THIS MEETING. THANK YOU. I MEAN, I DO WANT TO ECHO THE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED 
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BOTH AROUND THE HEADQUARTERS PIECES AND THE ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY ON MULTIPLE LEVELS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PEERS THAT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU WE CERTAINLY VALUE AND LOVE HAVING CHURCHILL DOWNS HERE. BUT PART OF WHAT WE LOVE IS ALSO THAT THE HEADQUARTERS IS HERE, THAT THIS IS A SPACE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT IN CHURCHILL DOWNS, I DO REALLY SHARE THE CONCERN OF WE WILL MAKE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT. AND THEN. THINGS WILL CHANGE. 
          AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE BILL MUDD AND THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AND THEIR LOYALTY TO THIS COMMUNITY. BUT THE SECOND THAT A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY THEN CHANGES CEOS, WE HAVE SEEN MORE THAN ONCE THAT THAT COMMITMENT VERY MUCH CHANGES. BUT THEN WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR WHATEVER INCENTIVES WE OFFER. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS PROPERTY AND THIS IS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PIECE, BUT THIS IS A PART OF A BROADER ISSUE THAT I DO THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE HAVE HAD SUCH AMAZING SUCCESS FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECENTLY. YOU KNOW, LOTS OF WINDS COMING IN OF EITHER ORGANIZATIONS RECOMMITTING AND BEING, YOU KNOW, SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO STAY HERE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE INVESTMENTS HERE OR NEW ORGANIZATIONS COMING. AND I'M THAT IS WONDERFUL. BUT FOR OUR INCUMBENTS, WE WANT THIS TO BE A TWO WAY STREET. WE WANT THAT TO BE OKAY. GREAT. I'M HAPPY TO DO THIS IRB IN WHICH WE ARE INCREASING. I MEAN THE MY BACK OF THE ENVELOPE. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE HAD AN MBA LIKE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU WILL SAVE IN DOING THIS AS AN ORGANIZATION IS MASSIVE. I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE IS A COMMENSURATE RECOMMITMENT TO BEING A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER, AND TO CONTINUING TO HAVE THOSE INVESTMENTS BE REINVESTED INTO OUR COMMUNITY, AND I JUST REALLY LIKE THAT. I'M NOT HEARING THAT THAT SORT OF ENTHUSIASM OR THAT SORT OF ENERGY AND OR THAT FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. AND SO THAT I JUST WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT, THAT THAT IS A REAL CONCERN FOR ME. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT THAT IN THE PAST YEAR, WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED A $10 MILLION RENOVATION OF OUR HEADQUARTERS ON NORTH HURSTBOURNE WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO LEAVE. ACTUALLY, I DID NOT RLIZE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THAT. THAT DOES MAKE ME FEEL SOMEWHAT BETTER. SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. ABSOLULY. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. SO TWO REAL THE CONVERSATI ABOCK AGAIN TO PA. HEAS THAT'S THE THIS THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND THE STATE REQUIRES IT. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON RECORD. THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH JCJ THAT HELPS SOME OF US FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO USING THAT PALETTE MONEY IN A CERTAIN WAY. AND IF MR. O'BRIEN, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, IF YOU'D RATHER I DID. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN. I'M HAPPY. I'M HAPPY. THERE'S BEEN A COMMITMENT THAT JC WOULD USE THAT MONEY FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, A CHALLENGING ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEY WOULD PUT THAT, THEY WOULD JUST USE IT OR THEY WOULD USE THEIR EXISTING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS AND SUPPLEMENT IT WITH THAT, WITH THOSE PROGRAMS. AND SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION THE STRUGGLES THAT JC IS HAVING RIGHT NOW WITH WITH SOME OF THEIR FINANCE. 
          AND SO IT IT IS NOT HARD FOR SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF TO IMAGINE THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SHORTFALL, A PLACE THAT YOU MIGHT LOOK FOR SAVINGS IS IN THAT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AREA. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ASSURES THAT JC WILL REMAIN STRONG IN THAT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AREA. AND I FOR ME, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE CONVERSATION. SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE I POINT THAT OUT. THE OTHER THING AND MR. YOU'VE HEARD IT ALREADY AND SO I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT JOINING US IN CHAMBERS RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE SHARED WITH MYSELF AND THE VICE CHAIR SOME OF EXACTLY THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE HEARD. SO I DON'T NEED TO GO OVER THEM AGAIN. BUT I JUST WOULD POINT OUT, YOU HEARD FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. WE'RE GLAD THAT THE MONEY'S BEEN SPENT. THAT MAKES US FEEL BETTER, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOMEONE WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOME AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CORPORATE PARTNER. WHEN WE SEE THE SIGNS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, DERBY FESTIVAL PAID BY KROGER, DERBY FESTIVAL, PAID BY UPS, DERBY FESTIVAL, PAID BY. 
          AND WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING THE BIGGEST PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES, WHICH WE LOVE. SO THANK YOU, CHURCHILL DOWNS, FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO CELEBRATE EVERY YEAR. IT'S AWESOME. BUT IT'D BE NICE IF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING THAT WEEK WERE ACTUALLY SPONSORED BY CHURCHILL DOWNS. AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THIS. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE HARPING, BUT MY SINCERE HOPE IS THAT AS YOU GO BACK TO CHURCHILL DOWNS, THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION THAT ENDS TODAY. AND I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S THE CASE. BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. AND AGAIN, THERE HAS I HAVE NEVER BEEN AT CHURCHILL DOWNS FOR 15 YEARS. I'M A TAX GUY. I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION. I'M NOT INVOLVED IN. OUR 
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PHILANTHROPY AND OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR CORPORATE GIVING. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S JUST NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE. I WILL SAY I'VE IN THE 15 YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE, I HAVE NEVER ONCE HEARD A SINGLE COMMENT ABOUT US BEING HEADQUARTERED ANYWHERE BUT LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY. I KNOW OUR BOARD WOULD, WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT BE HAPPY WITH US AS A EXECUTIVE TEAM IF WE CAME TO THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE TIED TO LOUISVILLE. WE CAN'T MOVE THERE. WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY IT'S WE'RE A PUBLIC COMPANY. THEY WOULD NOT TAKE THAT WELL AS FAR AS GIVING AGAIN, I CAN'T GIVE YOU DETAILS, BUT I KNOW WE WE DO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. WE I HAVE SEEN LISTS OF CONTRIBUTIONS WE MAKE THAT ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T RUN AROUND BRAGGING ABOUT. BUT WE DO WE DO SUPPORT THINGS. WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE WE BUY TABLES AND TICKETS FOR EVERY SINGLE EVENT DURING DERBY WEEK. WE DO SPONSOR. I'M ALMOST POSITIVE WE SPONSOR SOME OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHICH ONES BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE WE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN WE'RE GIVING CREDIT FOR. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS PERSONALLY. 
          YOU HAPPEN TO BE THE GUY SITTING THERE, RIGHT? NO. AND IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THIS IS AN ARB AND YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCES. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THAT PTIS DISTASTEFUL TO US, TO MANY ON THE COUNCIL, THAN THE FACT THAT WE'RE IT'S GOING TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS QUITE A HISTORY HERE WITH SOME TREMENDOUS ASSETS THAT THE THE GOVERNMENT HAS OWNED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. SO I DON'T I DON'T EXPECT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE, CHANGE THE WORLD TODAY. MY SINCEREST HOPE, THOUGH, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, IS THAT THE FOLKS AT CHURCHILL DOWNS WHO CAN INFLUENCE THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS COMMITTEE MEETING. AND I'M SURE THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO CHURCHILL DOWNS, YOU WILL MAKE IT CLEAR TO THEM THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD HERE AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION OF THE COUNCIL IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ARB AND ANY FUTURE INTERACTIONS THAT METRO GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE WITH CHURCHILL DOWNS. ABSOLUTELY. I WILL DO THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SEEING NO ONE ELSE. CHAIR, CAN I JUST MAKE ONE MORE QUICK COMMENT? YOU CERTAINLY MAY. COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE TIME. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING HERE. I'M GOING TO VOTE NO TODAY IN COMMITTEE, BUT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY FOR THERE TO BE SOME POSITIVE. IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE FIRM COMMITMENTS. BUT I'VE, I HAVE LIVED IN THIS TOWN MOST OF MY LIFE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD MY ENTIRE LIFE IS THAT CHURCHILL DOWNS DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN EXCEPT WITHIN THEIR OWN GATES. AND SO IF YOU'VE NEVER HEARD THAT, I MEAN THAT IF YOU HAVE LIVED IN LOUISVILLE FOR TEN MINUTES, YOU'VE HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT THAT IS NOT A GOOD IMPRESSION, THAT THIS TOWN OR THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE OF CHURCHILL DOWNS AS A CORPORATE PARTNER. SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME SORT OF POSITIVE CONVERSATION COMMITMENTS COMING FROM CHURCHILL BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY. I COULD GET TO A YES BY THURSDAY, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOMETHING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN HERNDON THANK YOU SIR. JUST A FOLLOW UP. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN WRITING, NOT A VERBAL COMMITMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. AND I AND I SHARED THIS WITH MY COLLEAGUES TODAY. I'LL BE GLAD TO SEND IT BACK WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT YOUR YOUR COMMITMENT IN WRITING IN DETAIL AND WITH SUBSTANTIAL PENALTIES ATTACHED, SHOULD THAT NOT BE HELD TRUE TO TO STAY HERE, THE WHOLE THING, ALL ALL POSITIONS, ALL SALARIES AND THE PRESTIGE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. SO I WILL ADD TO COUNCILMAN OWEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN WRITING. ANYONE ELSE, MR. O'BRIEN? CHAIR, I JUST WANT I WANT ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY FERGUSON POINTED OUT TO ME THAT OUR WE THERE IS AN AMENDMENT, I THINK, TO THE ORDINANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS CLEAR THAT THAT WE HAD THEHT ONE, THAT HAD THE PILOT GOING TO JAKE HEADING THAT WAY. COUNCILMAN HUDSON, THANK YOU, CHAIR, I APPRECIATE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF OF THE LIMITS OF YOUR SCOPE, OF YOUR EXPERTISE. AND I'M GOING TO JOIN YOU THERE. IN MOST OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY, I'M ABOUT AS SHARP AS A BAG OF HAMMERS. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT FROM A COMMENT THAT CAME UP EARLIER, THERE'S NO RISK TO TO METRO GOVERNMENT HERE. CHURCHILL DOWNS IS MAKING THE 
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PAYMENTS ON THE BOND. MY QUESTION IS WHAT IF THEY DON'T? IF THEY DON'T MAKE THE PAYMENTS, THEN THEY'LL HAVE A DEFAULT ISSUE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE WILL DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR AGREEMENTS ARE WITH CHURCHILL DOWNS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN EVIDENCE OF DEFAULT, THEY MIGHT GO BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WITH THAT, THAT LEASE. BUT WE AGAIN WE WON'T ASSUME THE DEBT. WE WON'T BE ON THE HOOKS. THE WORST THAT WOULD HAPPEN AS IT GOES BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS WHEN WE START COLLECTING THE PROPERTY TAX. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, JEFF, WOULD THAT HAVE A ANY KIND OF IMPACT ON OUR RATING. NO. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT DIRECT DEBT HELD BY LOUISVILLE METRO WOULD HAVE IT WOULD ONLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON CHURCHILL DOWNS RATE CREDIT RATING. WHAT ELSE? COUNCILMAN WINKLER THANK YOU. AND, JEFF, YOU CAN STAY UP THERE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE THE AMENDMENT. BUT JUST YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE PROPERTY IS THE COLLATERAL. WE'RE NOT AND THIS IS WITH ANY IRB, RIGHT. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PAYMENTS. IT'S A PRIVATE TRANSACTION. WE'RE THE CONDUIT. BUT CHURCHILL DOWNS IS ON THE HOOK FOR MAKING THE PAYMENTS IF THEY WERE TO DEFAULT, THE BONDHOLDERS CLAIM IS AGAINST THE PROPERTY, NOT AGAINST METRO GOVERNMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. THAT SAID, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE AMENDMENT. I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE AMENDMENT. AND THEN, JEFF, MAYBE HAVE YOU JUST BRIEFLY SPEAK TO THE CHANGE? YEAH, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD BECAUSE MY MY FRIEND, MY FRIEND TO MY RIGHT HAS BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO IT, LET ME GET A QUICK SECOND. CAN I GET IT? THERE WE GO. NOW IT'S OFFICIALLY BEFORE US, JEFF. LAURA, YOU WANT TO. 
          RIGHT. SO THE RESOLUTION DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT NOW CONTEMPLATES IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. YEAH. LAURA FERGUSON, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. WHAT IT DOES IS IT CHANGES TO FROM ONE INDUSTRIAL BOND TO ONE OR MORE INDUSTRIAL BOND SERIES AND POTENTIALLY ONE OR MORE LEASE AGREEMENTS. AND. THEN IT GETS INTO THE MAJOR CHANGE. IS THE PILOT THAT THE PILOT, THE PAYMENTS WILL BE MADE TO THE JEFFERSON COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AT AMOUNTS EQUAL TO AND AT THE SAME TIMES AS THE AD VALOREM TAXES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE DUE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S THE MAIN. 
          AND THEN IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, THE PROJECT STAYS THE SAME, BUT WITH JUST SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, SO THAT THE PROJECT INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS IN WHICH MAY OCCUR IN PHASES, AND THEN THE DEMOLITION OF SKY TERRACE IS NOW A PARTIAL DEMOLITION RATHER THAN A COMPLETE DEMOLITION, AND THEN THE PARCELS OF LAND WILL BE CONVEYED TO METRO AND OR LEASED TO THE COMPANY, AS THE CASE MAY BE. THEN IN EXHIBIT B AGAIN, IT'S THE CHANGE IS REALLY CHANGING FROM ONE INDUSTRIAL BOND TO ONE OR MORE SERIES OF INDUSTRIAL BONDS AND ONE OR MORE LEASE AGREEMENTS. AND THEN A PARAGRAPH IS ADDED TO THE MEMORANDUM, WHICH SAYS UPON THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST SERIES OF THE NEW BONDS, METRO GOVERNMENT AND THE COMPANY SHALL ENTER INTO A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAX AGREEMENT, SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM APPROVED, OBLIGATING THE COMPANY TO MAKE PAYMENTS TO THE JEFFERSON COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN AMOUNTS EQUAL TO AND AT THE SAME TIMES AS THE VALOREM TAXES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE DUE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT. AND THEN A SECTION 13 IS ADDED THAT SAYS UPON THE COMPANY'S REQUEST, METRO GOVERNMENT WILL PROVIDE A LETTER OR OTHER INDICATION OF SUPPORT TO CDFA INDICATING METRO GOVERNMENT SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND CEPHAS APPROVAL PURSUANT TO KRS 132 TEN SUB THREE OF THE REDUCED STATE VALOREM TAX FOR INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND THEN THE PILOT, WHICH IS EXHIBIT C, WOULD AGAIN HAVE ONE OR MORE SERIES, AND THAT THE PAYMENTS WOULD BE MADE TO NOT METRO, BUT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THAT THE PAYMENT WOULD BE THE TAX LEVIED BY JEFFERSON COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, IF ANY, IN ANY SCHOOL CALENDAR YEAR DURING WHICH THE FOREGOING CALCULATION IS MADE. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS LEVIED DIFFERENT AD VALOREM TAX RATES ON DIFFERENT CLASSES OF PROPERTY. THE FOREGOING CALCULATION SHALL BE MADE SEPARATELY FOR EACH CLASS OF PROPERTY THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT FINANCED BY THE BONDS, AND THEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THE ASSESSMENT, AND FINALLY THE PAYMENT WOULD BE MADE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND IT CONTEMPLATES THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY BENEFICIARY TO THE PILOT AGREEMENT. SO WHILE THE PILOT AGREEMENTS BETWEEN METRO AND AND THE COMPANY AND CHURCHILL DOWNS, THE PAYMENTS WILL BE MADE TO GPS AND GPS WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY BENEFICIARY. AND THOSE ARE THE CHANGES. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COLLEAGUES. YES. SEEING NONE. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT CALLS FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED AMENDMENT CARRIES. WE NOW HAVE THE AMENDED VERSION BEFORE US. ARE THERE ANY 
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QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDED VERSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? SEEING NONE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. CALLS FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE, MADAM CLERK. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO AND DO A ROLL CALL. I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF FOLKS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO GUESTS REGISTERED, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT ON THURSDAY NIGHT. OKAY. VOTING IS OPEN. PARISH. RIGHT. COUNCILMAN. PARISH. RIGHT. YES. 
          COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. YES, COUNCILMAN. OWEN. NO. COUNCILWOMAN. MULVEY. WOOLRIDGE. 
          YES. CHAIR. CRAMER, YOU HAVE EIGHT YES VOTES AND TWO NO VOTES. THANK YOU. IT PASSES AND WE'LL GO TO CONSENT TO THE OLD BUSINESS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WILL MOVE ON TO 
          [2.
 O-275-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 091, SERIES 2025, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 OPERATING BUDGET, BY TRANSFERRING $50,000 FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUND (DISTRICT 9) TO THE LOUISVILLE METRO COUNCIL GENERAL OPERATIONS (DISTRICT 9).
Action Required By:  May 13, 2026
Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ]
ITEM NUMBER TWO. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 91, SERIES 2025 RELATING TO FISCAL YEAR 2025 2026 OPERATING BUDGET BY TRANSFERRING $50,000 FROM NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUND DISTRICT NINE TO LOUISVILLE METRO COUNCIL GENERAL OPERATIONS FOR DISTRICT NINE. THE MOTION, PROPERLY BEFORE US COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. JUST MOVING MONEY AROUND SO WE CAN PAY OUR STAFF THIS UPCOMING YEAR. I'D APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COLLEAGUES? SEEING NONE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILMAN. PIERCE. 
          RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. YES, YES, YES, COUNCILWOMAN PIERCE. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT MY. YES. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN OWEN. YES. COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE? YES. 
          CHAIR CRAMER, YOU HAVE TEN YES VOTES. THANK YOU. IT PASSES AND WE'LL GO TO THE CONSENT 
          [7.
 O-276-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 35.005 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING TUITION ASSISTANCE.
Action Required By:  May 13, 2026
Sponsors: Barbara Shanklin (D-2) ]
CALENDAR WITH UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. AS STATED EARLIER, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. ITEM SEVEN IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 35 005 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING TUITION ASSISTANCE MOTION. SECOND, IT'S PROPERLY BEFORE US. THIS IS SPONSORED BY COUNCILWOMAN SHANKLIN, AND I BELIEVE SHE HAS ASKED SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF. YES. IF YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. SURE. ERNESTINE HENRY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. GOOD EVENING. SO THERE ARE FIVE BASIC CHANGES TO THIS AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING OR PROPOSING. THE FIRST IS ALLOWING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR EARNED INCOME CREDIT TO RECEIVE $5,000 VERSUS THE $3,000 THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE. THE SECOND IS FOR US TO ALLOW REIMBURSEMENT FOR ALL OTHERS OF UP TO $4,000, WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY 2000. WE'RE ASKING THAT WE ALLOW UPFRONT TUITION REIMBURSEMENT OF HALF OF THE ALLOWED AMOUNT BY PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS, AND THEN ADDING CLAWBACK LANGUAGE TO THE ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEES TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH US FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF THEIR DEGREES AND THEN ALLOWING THE FUNDING TO ALSO INCLUDE CERTIFICATIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES. I HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF I COULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE I AT ONE POINT WAS WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE TO KIND OF UPDATE. AND I'M I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT IT IS GOING UPWARD FOR THE ALLOCATION FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION. BUT I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE THE POOL OF MONEY WHEN IT IS NOT USED. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO AND ENROLLED IN SCHOOL CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL DOLLARS OF THOSE REMAINING WHEN OTHER EMPLOYEES DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE POOL OF MONEY? THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT WITH OUR EXISTING FUNDING, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE EMPLOYEES, ARE UTILIZING THE PROGRAM, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDER UTILIZED. SO OUR GOAL WAS JUST TO GET INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN THE PROGRAM. BUT 
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WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THEIR STATE AT SOME SORT OF WAY, BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T GET EMPLOYEES INVOLVED AND THERE'S SO MANY STIPULATIONS WITH GOING TO SCHOOL AND, AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD ON TO IT SOME TYPE OF COMMITMENT THAT THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH. YOU JUST I KNOW THAT SCHOOLING IS SO EXPENSIVE. SO IF THERE'S A POOL OF MONEY, WE'VE ALREADY ALLOCATED IT. WE BUDGETED FOR IT. ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE INDEED IN SCHOOL, WHETHER THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME FUNDING OR NOT, TO REAPPLY FOR THE REMAINING FUNDS. THAT ALSO COULD POSE A PROBLEM WITH THE START OF WHEN THOSE CLASSES BEGIN, BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO REGISTER FOR CLASSES TIMELY, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION TIMELY. SO THAT MIGHT CREATE SOME ISSUES. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THE FUNDS AFTER THE FACT. FUNDS ARE LEFT OVER FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, THEN ALLOWING THOSE WHO HAVE GOTTEN FUNDING, IF IT'S STILL STILL A POOL OF MONEY, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IT BACK INTO A GENERAL ACCOUNT, BUT ALLOWING THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY ENROLLED IN SCHOOL, IF THEY HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE OF ANY SORT, APPLY FOR THOSE LEFTOVER FUNDS. IT WOULD BE IT WOULD NEED TO BE ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS. IF WE DID CONSIDER SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SIT HERE TODAY AND WORK OUT THE DETAILS, BUT I'M I'M SUGGESTING WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. OKAY. ADDED. SURE. IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I'VE JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN UNDER UTILIZED. SO LIKE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, HAVE WE HAD HAVE WE EVER EXPENDED THE FULL AMOUNT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS? WE HAVE NOT NONE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND WE ARE STILL USING THE EARNED INCOME TAX EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT AS A AS A BAR, AS A MEANS OF ADDING THAT EXTRA THOUSAND, BUT NOT FOR THE ORIGINAL OR THE AMOUNT THE 2000 CURRENTLY OR THE 4000 THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO AMEND TO. OKAY, SO WITH THE AMENDMENT, IF A PERSON WANTS TO APPLY FOR TUITION ASSISTANCE, EVEN IF THEY AREN'T, EVEN IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT, THEY CAN STILL APPLY FOR THE TUITION. ABSOLUTELY. YES. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT ANSWERS MY COUNCILMAN WINKLER. COUNCILMAN WINKLER. YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SORT OF PIGGYBACKING OFF COUNCILWOMAN RAINEY'S POINT. BUT I THINK IF WE'RE NOT GETTING FULL UTILIZATION, I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE ALL OF IT. I BELIEVE THE IRS LIMIT IS 52, 50 A YEAR. 
          BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CAPPING IT AT FOUR AND IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED, I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET UP TO THE IRS LIMITS. AND SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GO BACK AND STUDY THAT AND CONSIDER THAT. SURE. THANK YOU. GREAT. ANY OTHERS? I JUST WANTED TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR. OKAY. 
          COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. COUNCILWOMAN, PARISH COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. SORRY. I'M TERRIBLE. I CAN'T DEAL. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WERE THERE EFFORTS UNDERTAKEN TO INVESTIGATE WHY THERE WAS UNDERUTILIZATION? WAS THERE ANY POLLING OF EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE DID. WE'VE DONE SEVERAL POLLS TO DETERMINE WHY EMPLOYEES ARE NOT UTILIZING THE PROGRAM, MOST OF WHICH WAS BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST CURIOUS. ANY OTHERS SEEING NONE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. 
          CALLS FOR ROLL CALL. VOTE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILMAN. PIERCE. 
          RIGHT? YES. RIGHT. YES. COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY, I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE'RE VOTING, BUT THERE WAS NOT AN AMENDMENT MADE, AND SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO CONSIDER IT. SO HOW DOES THIS WORK? I SHE'S WALKING BACK TOWARDS THE MICROPHONE. I CERTAINLY WANT TO SPEAK FOR HER. I GOT THE SENSE THAT SHE WAS SUGGESTING THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER YOUR SUGGESTIONS MOVING FORWARD. I DID NOT THINK THAT SHE INTENDED TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TODAY, SO I'LL OFFER THE FLOOR BACK. THAT IS CORRECT. NOT TO AMEND BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY, BUT INSTEAD THE AMENDMENT WAS THE AMOUNT. SO WE'RE AMENDING IT FROM 2000 TO 4000 AND THEN AMENDING IT FOR THOSE ELIGIBLE FOR EARNED INCOME CREDIT FROM 4000 TO 5000. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO AMENDING THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS FUNDING FOR CERTIFICATIONS. I RECOGNIZE WHAT WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE 
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US, BUT I AM GOING TO VOTE NO SO THAT I CAN CONSIDER WORKING WITH YOU TO ADD THAT IN BEFORE WE VOTE AS A FULL COUNCIL. SO MY VOTE IS NO THANK YOU. AND I'M JUST YOU SAID IT QUITE PLAINLY, BUT JUST TO BE CERTAIN, YOUR INTENT SLASH HOPE IS THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY EVENING, YOU MIGHT BRING BACK AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD RESPOND TO YOUR CONCERNS. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN OWEN. YES. 
          COUNCILMAN HUDSON? YES. I'M LOCKED UP OVER HERE. COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE. YES. 
          CHAIR. KRAMER, YOU HAVE NINE YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE THAT WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS. THANK YOU. THE LAST TWO ITEMS, NUMBER THAT ARE NUMBERED THREE AND FOUR, HAVE BEEN RENDERED MUTE AS A RESULT OF THE VOTE THAT WE TOOK EARLIER ON THE YEAR END BUDGET. AND SO THOSE WON'T BE 
          [Adjournment
Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]
HEARD. AND SO, WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.