Nov 05, 2025 Public Safety Committee

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AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 4:03 P.M. BEFORE WE START, WE'RE DEEPLY SADDENED BY THE TRAGIC

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THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. I'M YOUR CHAIR,

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TODAY WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE DOCTOR BARBARA SHANKLIN.

COMMITTEE MEMBER KEN HERNDON. COMMITTEE MEMBER ANTHONY PIACENTINI, COMMITTEE MEMBER BETSY ROONEY. COMMITTEE MEMBER JENNY WOOLDRIDGE. MY VICE CHAIR TAMMY HAWKINS, IS JUST ENTERED.

AND WE DO. ALSO HAVE J.P. LEININGER IN THE ROOM. AND JONATHAN JOSEPH IS WITH US. AND WE ALSO HAVE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN WINKLER. I THINK WE HAVE, AND WE ALSO ARE JOINED BY KEN HUDSON. WHO ELSE? JEFF HUDSON, NOT KEN. I HAVE DONE IT AGAIN, JEFF HUDSON, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. PLEASE NOTE, MR. CHAIR, I'M ONLINE. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, WE DO HAVE COUNCILWOMAN PEREZ RIGHT ONLINE. I'M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN. PLEASE NOTE WE DISCUSS ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE AND FOUR FOLLOWING THE SPECIAL DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TODAY, SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT GUESTS KEEP THEIR OPENING COMMENTS BRIEF. COMMITTEE MEMBERS, PLEASE LIMIT

[1. ID 25-0642     UPDATE ON GROUP VIOLENCE INTERVENTION – Josh Crawford, Group Violence Intervention and Misty Wright, Community Safety]

BECAUSE HE IS THE DIRECTOR. AND THEN I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS TO UPDATE THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT. BUT I'M HAPPY TO STAY HERE FOR THE DURATION OF HIS TESTIMONY, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BE ON A HARD STOP. WE'VE GOT TEN MINUTES TO PRESENT. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE COUNCIL 20 MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. SO I'LL BEGIN NOW.

WE'VE GOT TEN MINUTES. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. MADAM VICE CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANT TO THANK THIS COMMITTEE AND ITS MEMBERS FOR THE RECENT RESOLUTION RELATED TO THE EXPEDITION OF THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY. THERE ARE NO MAGIC SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE IN THIS CITY. BUT THE OPERATION OF A DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE JUVENILE DETENTION AND SERVICE CENTER CAN SERVE AS A KEY PART OF THAT COMPONENT IN MAKING THIS CITY SAFER. SO, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, I AM THE DIRECTOR OF GROUP VIOLENCE INTERVENTION. I HAVE BEEN IN THAT ROLE FOR APPROXIMATELY TEN WEEKS. I'D LIKE TO UPDATE YOU ALL ON WHERE WE ARE ON A NUMBER OF METRICS, YEAR TO DATE, AND WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING FROM HERE, BUT MOST ROBUSTLY, I WANT TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR HOW WE ARE OPERATING AND HOW WE WILL BE OPERATING GOING FORWARD. AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR PRIMARY MECHANISM OF REACHING THOSE DRIVING VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY IS A MECHANISM CALLED CUSTOM NOTIFICATIONS. YEAR TO DATE WE HAVE DONE 72, EXCUSE ME, 74 OF THOSE, 45 OF THOSE WERE OF ADULTS, 29 OF THOSE WERE WITH JUVENILES. PART OF THE CUSTOM NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS THE UNCONDITIONAL OFFER OF SERVICES TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS, SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE THEM UP. 53 EXCUSE ME, 35 OF OUR ADULT

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WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SOME NEW AND EXPANDING PARTNERSHIPS WITH AGENCIES, BOTH WITHIN METRO GOVERNMENT AND OUTSIDE METRO GOVERNMENT. THAT CUSTOM NOTIFICATION PROCESS. WHEN WE GO OUT TO TO TALK TO AN INDIVIDUAL AND ENGAGE THEM AND DELIVER THAT THREE PRONG MESSAGE OF NONVIOLENCE, THAT INCLUDES THAT UNCONDITIONAL OFFER OF SERVICES, THAT INCLUDES THE THREAT OF A SWIFT LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE IF VIOLENCE CONTINUES, AND THAT INCLUDES A COMMUNITY MORAL VOICE THAT EXPRESSES A DISSATISFACTION WITH THE STATUS QUO VIOLENCE IN THE CITY. TO DO THAT MOST EFFECTIVELY, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW PARTNERS TO BRING INTO THE FOLD. ONE OF THOSE PARTNERS THAT I AM MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS AN UPCOMING PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ACE PROJECT. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, THE ACE PROJECT IS A GROUP OF MOMS WHO HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY AFFECTED BY VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT USE THE GVI MODEL THAT USE THE FOCUS DETERRENCE MODEL MOST EFFECTIVELY, OFTENTIMES THE MOST EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATORS OF THAT COMMUNITY, MORAL VOICE, ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY AFFECTED BY VIOLENCE. MOST ACUTELY MOMS WHO THAT VIOLENCE HAS COME TO THEIR FRONT DOOR AND IMPACTED THEIR HOME. WE'RE ALSO EXPANDING OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH GOODWILL TO OFFER MORE EMPLOYMENT BASED SERVICES TO GVI PARTICIPANTS, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING OUT A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LOUISVILLE METRO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO OFFER MORE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES TO GVI PARTICIPANTS. FINALLY, WE ARE INCREASING THE REFERRAL PROCESS TO GVI FOR JUVENILES. JUVENILE VIOLENCE IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY MUCH ON THE MIND OF LOUISVILLIANS. WHILE JUVENILES DO NOT MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF OFFENDERS IN THIS CITY, STATISTICALLY, AS WE HAVE SEEN CRIME AND VIOLENCE DECLINE IN RECENT YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN THE SHARE OF THAT PERPETUATED BY JUVENILES OR PERPETUATED AGAINST JUVENILES INCREASE. AND SO JUVENILES GET SPECIAL ATTENTION FROM US AT GVI. AND WE GET REFERRALS FROM JCPS, JJ AND THE LIKE. AND FINALLY, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, DETECTIVE IVAN HAYGOOD HAS BEEN THE TIP OF THE SPEAR FOR GVI IN THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. AND DESPITE WHAT MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, AND DESPITE WHAT HE IS ABLE TO DO, HE IS IN FACT ONLY ONE MAN. AND SO DETECTIVE HAYGOOD IS LEADING AN EFFORT TO DO A PATROL DIVISION PILOT PROJECT, WHERE WE WILL BRING GVI TO THE PATROL DIVISION'S PARTNERING WITH HAND SELECTED OFFICERS IN THOSE DIVISIONS TO EXPAND OUR REACH AND TO TO INTERACT WITH MORE PEOPLE IN A MORE DIRECT WAY. AND, COUNCILMAN, IF I MAY, I'LL SPEAK FOR ABOUT A MINUTE, JUST WITH THE MOST IMPORTANT UPDATES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO GVI. I SPOKE WITH YOU GUYS A FEW MONTHS BACK ABOUT SAFE LOUISVILLE AND THE MAYOR'S CRIME REDUCTION PLAN.

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, AND OVP SPOKE WITH YOU AT YOUR LAST MEETING ABOUT CVI, AMONG SOME OTHER THINGS. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME HOW THE CVI SITES HERE HAD A 62% REDUCTION IN GUN VIOLENCE. BUT NOW THAT THAT BASELINE DATA HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, THOSE SITES ARE EXPANDING AND THEY ARE MOVING. THAT DECISION IS BEING MADE RIGHT NOW. AND THE CONTOURS OF THAT IS BEING DETERMINED RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NEWBURGH, WHICH IS STRUCTURED WITH A FEDERAL GRANT, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE CHANGES THAT EXPAND. RUSSELL, BOTH WEST AND EAST, COVERING ELLIOTT PARK AND THEN GOING EAST TO 18TH, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ALGONQUIN PARK HILL TO BE EXPANDED ACROSS DIXIE HIGHWAY. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TAYLOR BERRY MOVE ALMOST ENTIRELY DUE TO REDUCED VIOLENCE IN THE AREA TO MOVE SOUTH. SO IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE NORTH END OF THE JACOBS AND WYANDOTTE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO BASICALLY MANSLICK TO FIFTH AND BERRY TO BEECHER. AND THAT IS ENSURING THAT ALL PARKS ARE COVERED. ALSO EARLIER THIS MONTH ON THE 21ST OR LAST MONTH, NOW ON THE 21ST OF OCTOBER, THE CALIFORNIA SITE STARTED OPERATING. SO WE HAVE VIOLENCE

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WHERE DOES GVI AND OVP BOTH? SINCE BOTH OF Y'ALL ARE HERE, GET YOUR CLIENTS FROM. SO WE HAVE A REFERRAL PROCESS THAT INCLUDES OUTSIDE PARTNERS LIKE JC DODGE, PROBATION AND PAROLE, THOSE TYPES OF AGENCIES, AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR NONPROFIT PARTNER AGENCIES. ULTIMATELY, THE DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY GETS A CUSTOM NOTIFICATION, ATTENDS A CALL IN IS AN INTERNAL DECISION MADE BY GVI, BUT WE GET REFERRALS FROM ALL OF THOSE PLACES. OKAY, SO YOU GET REFERRALS. SO DO THOSE REFERRALS ALSO GO BY THE YOUR EMPLOYEES JUST GOING OUT AND SAYING, HEY I KNOW SOME IS THAT CONSIDER REFERRAL LIKE KIND OF SAYING, HEY HAVE YOU BEEN AFFECTED BY GUN VIOLENCE. AND THEN JUST THAT, DOES THAT YOUTH BECOME A CLIENT? NOT INHERENTLY.

NO. SO IN ORDER TO BECOME A PARTICIPANT IN GVI, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EITHER RECEIVED A CUSTOM NOTIFICATION OR ATTENDED A CALL IN IF WE HAD DONE ONE. RIGHT. AND SO SOME OF THE OUTREACH EFFORTS DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE BY PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY BE AN ATTEMPT TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE, OR MAYBE SOMEBODY IDENTIFYING SOMEONE WHO MAY BE RELEVANT TO OUR RADAR, BUT IT'S NOT INHERENTLY MAKE SOMEBODY A PARTICIPANT UNTIL THERE'S THAT CUSTOM NOTIFICATION PROCESS. AND THAT'S ON GVI, NOT OVP. CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT, SO OVP, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT, PLEASE? YES, COUNCILWOMAN. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR, GVI IS NOT A SERVICES PROGRAM. SO THESE SERVICES ORGANIZATION THAT THESE PARTICIPANTS ARE BEING REFERRED TO IS THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. SO THOSE OUTREACH WORKERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ACTUALLY SERVICING THOSE CLIENTS AND GETTING THEM WHAT THEY NEED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RELOCATION, AS MR. CRAWFORD REFERRED TO EARLIER. SO THE REFERRALS THAT ARE COMING INTO OVP ARE COMING FROM GVI, THEY'RE COMING FROM JCPS, THEY'RE COMING FROM, IN SOME INSTANCES, PARENTS, THEY'RE COMING FROM THE CVI SITES THAT GOODWILL IS RUNNING, AND THEY'RE COMING FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO CALLS AND HAS A CONCERN ABOUT SOMEONE. THE PERSON RECEIVING SERVICES HAS TO MEET TWO OF SEVEN CRITERIA IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR SERVICES, AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE WILLING TO CEASE AND DESIST ALL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING.

AND I'M SORRY WE MISSED YOU LAST TIME, COUNCILWOMAN, BECAUSE I THINK ASHLEY WEBB COVERED A LOT OF THAT AT THE LAST TIME. AND AND I CAN ALSO GET YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AFTER THIS MEETING, IF YOU'D LIKE. RIGHT. I DON'T I LOOKED AT THAT MEETING. I DON'T THINK SHE COVERED ANY OF THAT. I WAS TOLD THAT THE EMPLOYEES THERE, THEY WERE TOLD, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO GET YOU SOME CLIENTS. SO IF EACH EMPLOYEE THAT YOU HAVE THAT GOES OUT AND I'M NOT SPEAKING TO THE GOODWILL PIVOT TO PEACE, I'M SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO OVP EMPLOYEES, GO OUT AND SAY, HEY, GET YOU 15 CLIENTS, GO FIND YOUR CLIENTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WHAT IS THE PATHWAY TO GETTING, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANY OF THOSE ARE HIGH RISK. AND WHEN I SAY HIGH RISK, I MEAN HIGH RISK. GETTING REFERRALS FROM THE COURTHOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE. BECAUSE TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE JOB SECURITY.

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OKAY. SO YOU CAN YOU GOT PLENTY OF TIME. JUST GET IT TO ME WHENEVER YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW YOU'RE ALSO NEW AS WELL, SO I KNOW THAT GVI DOES NOT GET THEIR CLIENTS FROM OVP. AND IF THEY DO, HEY, GOOD. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. YOU'RE DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB. YOU'RE DEFINITELY BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE DOING YOUR PART. ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I'M GOING TO GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. LET SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU STATED THAT OVP GVI HAD $20,000, CORRECT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, AND THEN YOU WORK WITH PARTNERS. SO THERE WAS A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM APPROPRIATED TO GVI $20,000 FOR RELOCATION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE TOOK SOME OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET ALLOCATED THAT ADDITIONALLY TO RELOCATION. AND THEN, YES, WE WORK WITH SOME PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS ON RELOCATION AS WELL, OR A PARTNER ORGANIZATION ON RELOCATION. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE JOSHUA CONNECTIONS, RIGHT? JOSHUA, WHICH WAS ALLOCATED $100,000 IN OUR BUDGET. YES, MA'AM. YES. RIGHT, EXACTLY. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, IS ARE THOSE GENERAL FUNDS? SO CAN ANY OF OUR OFFICES CONTACT JOSHUA CONNECTIONS AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED. AND IF SO, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME MISS. THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE CRITERIA. AND I WAS TOLD THAT GVI, YOU KNOW, DIRECTS WHO IF A PERSON CAN BE RELOCATED OR NOT. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT RELOCATION LOOKS LIKE. SO MOVING FORWARD, IF WE CAN DETERMINE IF WE WANT TO STILL SUPPORT THAT $100,000 THAT WE GAVE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STRUCTURE AND THE CRITERIAS ARE THE SAME. AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I KNOW THAT TRANSITIONAL SERVICES THEY TRANSPORT TO A DARE COUNTY. RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GVI AND OVP CAME TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY TO SAY THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO RELOCATE OUT OF TOWN, BECAUSE ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW, THAT MAJORITY OF US COLLECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO STAY SUSTAINABLE IF YOU RELOCATE SOMEONE OUT OF TOWN.

YEAH, YOU CAN RELOCATE THEM OUT OF TOWN, BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE TO GO OUT OF TOWN? RIGHT? IF THEY GOT AN ISSUE, THEY CAN GO TO ANOTHER PART OF TOWN BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, AS A DIRECTOR OF GVI, WE HAVE A HUGE GANG ISSUE, RIGHT? THEY CAN JUST MOVE TO ANOTHER PART OF TOWN. IT'S REALLY HARD AND VERY EXPENSIVE TO RELOCATE A FAMILY AND SAY, WELL, I'M ONLY RELOCATING A FAMILY TO THIS CITY OR TO THIS CITY, RIGHT? AND IF IF IT'S OUT OF CITY, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE CHICAGO, ILLINOIS? WHY COME IT CAN'T BE LEXINGTON, TENNESSEE? CINCINNATI, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT MORE CHEAPER, INEXPENSIVE TO RELOCATE SOMEONE. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT CRITERIA. SO WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO GET THOSE SERVICES, WE KNOW DIRECTLY WHERE TO SEND THEM TO AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO IT'S NOT ALL OVER THE PLACE, BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE GETTING RELOCATED AND THAT EVERYTHING'S BEING, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENT ON YOUR END AND YOUR PARTNERS. YEAH. YES, MA'AM. PRIOR TO MY COMING ON, WE DID NOT HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY FOR HOW RELOCATION WAS DONE. WE HAVE DEVELOPED THAT, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH THAT. IT PRIMARILY DEALS WITH BOTH CONCERNS TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND PUBLIC SAFETY RAMIFICATIONS FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL. STAYING IN LOUISVILLE. WE PRIMARILY WE WE EXCLUSIVELY LOCATE OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY AS A RESULT OF CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY FOR INDIVIDUALS. RIGHT. THIS IS STILL, AT ITS CORE, A SMALL TOWN. AND IF YOU ARE AT RISK IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ARE PROBABLY AT SIGNIFICANT RISK IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T, AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, RELOCATE INDISCRIMINATELY. WE DO RELOCATE WHERE THERE IS PROXIMITY TO EITHER FAMILY OR SUPPORT NETWORKS THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY EITHER ALREADY HAVE OR THAT WE HAVE THROUGH PARTNERS. IF THERE IS A FUNCTIONING GOODWILL IN A JURISDICTION WHERE WE CAN HAVE A WARM HANDOFF AND THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES IN THAT JURISDICTION, OR THERE'S SOME, AGAIN, PERSONAL CONNECTION, BE IT FAMILY, BUSINESS, WHATEVER, TO A JURISDICTION FOR THE SAFETY OF THE INDIVIDUALS WE HAVE RELOCATED. I DON'T FEEL

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RIGHT. AND I KNOW EVERYWHERE WHERE YOU ALL HAVE RELOCATED. AND JUST ALSO LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE CONFIDENTIALITY PIECE OF IT. YES, MA'AM. THAT PROCESS AS WELL. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. NEXT IN QUEUE WOULD BE COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT PLEASE. THANK YOU.

I'LL KEEP IT TO TWO QUESTIONS AND GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. SO, AS GVI DIRECTOR UNDER, ARE YOU CONSIDERED TO BE UNDER LMPD AND YOUR STAFF IS UNDER THE MAYOR'S OFFICE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHO YOU REPORT TO AND WHO YOUR STAFF REPORTS TO. CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT CLARITY? ARE YOU UNDER LMPD OR ARE YOU UNDER THE MAYOR'S OFFICE? YES, MA'AM. THAT IS, YOU CORRECTLY ARTICULATED THAT I AM EMBEDDED WITHIN THE CRIMINAL INTERDICTION DIVISION OF LMPD WHILE ALL OTHER GBI EMPLOYEES REPORT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR DATA ACCESS REASONS, AS WELL AS INFORMATION PROTECTION, SAFETY'S, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WAS A NECESSARY SPLIT FOR GVI. BUT THERE IS STILL THE CIVILIAN DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND I WAS GLAD THAT I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE CONFERENCE HELD AND GET SOME OF THESE UPDATES THERE. SO THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL. I DO WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR AS WE PRESENT THIS DATA, AND SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE HOW YOUNG PEOPLE ARE IMPACTED BY VIOLENCE, YOU CLEARLY SAID THAT THAT MORE MORE OF THEM ARE VICTIMS THAN THEY ARE PERPETRATORS OF VIOLENCE. AND I ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CLEAR AS WE COMMUNICATE THAT YOU'RE SAYING THE PERCENTAGES YOU GAVE SHOWED THAT MORE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE, AND THAT THEY'RE NOT THE LEADING PERPETRATORS OF ALL THE VIOLENCE THAT WE'RE SEEING, NOT JUST IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALL OVER OUR COUNTY. IS THAT CORRECT? WE ARE SEEING BOTH, COUNCILWOMAN, THAT THAT JUVENILES ARE NOT. THE MAJORITY OF OUR PERPETRATORS OR OUR VICTIMS. STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BETTER DATA AS IT RELATES TO VICTIMIZATION THAN WE DO TO OFFENDING. IN ORDER TO HAVE DATA AROUND OFFENDING, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO APPREHEND THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS COMMITTED THAT OFFENSE. AND SO WE HAVE BETTER DATA AROUND VICTIMIZATION THAN WE DO OFFENDING. WE KNOW THAT JUVENILES ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY, AND THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT OVERLAP BETWEEN VICTIMS AND OFFENDERS. VICTIMIZATION, ESPECIALLY FROM A SHOOTING, IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY WAYS THAT WE IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL SUBSEQUENTLY RECEIVE THE GBI MESSAGE. AND SO FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR CITY, THEY ACUTELY FEEL THE THE THE TOLL THAT GUN VIOLENCE TAKES. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I LED WITH THAT. BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN COMMITTING VIOLENCE OR FEELING LIKE THEIR BLAME FOR ALL THE VIOLENCE AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY ON HOW YOUR DATA IS TOLD, BECAUSE THAT IS THE THE WHOLE QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE? THAT IS WHAT ARE YOU DOING THAT IS RESTORATIVE AND USING THE HOLISTIC APPROACHES? I KNOW THAT THERE'S A THERE'S AN ENFORCEMENT AND THERE'S POLICING, BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THAT END, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ADVOCATES WHO ARE OUT HERE TRYING TO HELP STOP VIOLENCE, MITIGATE VIOLENCE, YOU KNOW, AND DEAL WITH IT. BUT WHAT ARE WE OFFERING? AND THROUGH YOUR WORK THAT IS HOLISTIC, RESTORATIVE, SO THAT IT IT ALSO TELLS THE OTHER PART OF THE DATA THAT THESE FAMILIES NEED RESOURCES. AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE RELOCATION. BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED. JUST WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. YES, MA'AM. THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH OVP, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE FULL SUITE OF SERVICES THAT OVP OFFERS. BUT IN IN HOPEFULLY IN RENEWED AND EXPANDED PARTNERSHIPS WITH GOODWILL, WE NOW HAVE ACCESS TO A BIG PORTION OF WHAT GOODWILL OFFERS IN TERMS OF SERVICES, ESPECIALLY EMPLOYMENT RELATED SERVICES, JOB TRAININGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF OF HOPEFULLY FORMING A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO TO EXPAND ACCESS TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESOURCES TO SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. FOR THE POPULATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE INTERVENTIONS THAT WORK ON THE POPULATION MORE BROADLY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS RATES THAT THEY DO WITH KIDS WITH THIS LEVEL OF RISKS AND NEEDS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DOES AND DOES TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN THE EVALUATIONS ARE THINGS LIKE COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY.

AND SO GETTING ACCESS TO ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE, JUVENILES AND YOUNG ADULTS TO THOSE KINDS OF RESOURCES, I THINK IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL TO THE SERVICE SIDE OF THE

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AND BEFORE I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MARILYN PARKER, COUNCILWOMAN MARILYN PARKER, WHO'S JOINED US. BUT, COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, MR. CRAWFORD, GREAT TO SEE YOU. GLAD YOU'RE IN THIS ROLE. I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM A QUESTION ABOUT THE RELOCATION THING, BUT SOME HAVE BEEN ASKED IF YOU COULD SEND THAT INFORMATION TO ME. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HOW WE'RE DOING IT AND WHAT THE SUCCESS FACTORS LOOK LIKE AND ALL OF THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT TOOL. AND THE TOOL CHEST FOR CERTAIN IN CERTAIN CASES. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. WE CAN DO THAT OFFLINE.

YES. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP AND YOUR OFFICE'S RELATIONSHIP WITH LMPD, PARTICULARLY SURROUNDING THOSE FOLKS WHO DO NOT ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS OR RE-OFFEND. RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS, GET ACCESS TO SERVICES, GET OUT OF THE LIFE, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, GET JOBS, GO DO THEIR THING. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE GREATEST SUCCESS WE COULD WE COULD HOPE FOR. IF THEY DON'T, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WITH LMPD WORK? BECAUSE IN MY READING OF ALL THE LITERATURE ON THIS AND HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK IS KIND OF FOR THOSE THAT REJECT IT AND KEEP ENGAGING IN THE GROUP VIOLENCE LIFE THAT THE, THE IT'S SORT OF LIKE WE NEED TO BRING EVERY ASPECT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THE LAW AT THAT POINT. SO HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH YOUR OFFICE? YEAH, THERE THERE ARE REALLY TWO PATHS FORWARD. ONCE SOMEBODY HAS RECEIVED A CUSTOM NOTIFICATION OR I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THREE. ONE PATH IS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL DESISTS FROM SHOOTINGS BUT DOESN'T UPTAKE THE SERVICES, RIGHT. THEY JUST CHOOSE TO CONTINUE. A LIFESTYLE THAT IS IS GENERALLY ANTISOCIAL, BUT THEY DON'T PERPETUATE THE VIOLENCE ANYMORE. THAT'S ONE PATH. THE SECOND PATH IS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL CHOOSES THE UPTAKE OF SOME SOME SERVICE OR SOME SET OF SERVICES. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S THE HOPE IN MOST INSTANCES. BUT OF COURSE, THERE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO NOT ONLY DON'T UPTAKE THOSE SERVICES, BUT BUT CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN IN GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT I GET THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH EVERY DAY IN LMPD, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN CID AND LMPD, THE THE FULL WEIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT AWAITS THEM AND OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DISCLOSE DETAILS ABOUT ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, BUT THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM LONGER INVESTIGATIONS WITH THE GOAL OF DISMANTLING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE TO SHORTER TERM SOLUTIONS LIKE GOING AFTER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON SOME FORM OF SUPERVISION, DOING THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING, AND AND GIVING THAT INDIVIDUAL SOME ADDITIONAL ATTENTION SHOULD THEY CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY? GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, PLEASE. YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE. YEAH, I'LL BE QUICK. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME JUST A COUPLE, LIKE, BULLET POINTS, TALKING POINTS OF HOW YOU WOULD SAY IF SOMEONE WERE TO ASK YOU, WHAT IS OVP DO? HOW WOULD YOU JUST ANSWER THAT? AND THEN ALSO, WHAT DO YOU ALSO DO BESIDES THE WEEKLY TALKS WITH PARTICIPANTS? SO I'LL GIVE MISS WRIGHT THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER AS IT RELATES TO OVP, BECAUSE I DON'T WORK FOR OVP.

YEAH, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, COUNCILMAN, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT OVP OR GVI? OVP OKAY, SO THIS I WOULD DEFER TO THE OVP DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR AS THEY TESTIFIED LAST TIME ON THE PLETHORA OF THINGS THAT THEY DO. BUT THE GENERAL CATEGORIES OF WHAT THEY DO WOULD INCLUDE CBI.

SO THAT'S THE ATTEMPT TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE LIFE. THAT COULD INCLUDE GUN VIOLENCE, THAT PUTS PEOPLE AT RISK OF GUN VIOLENCE. SO THEY DO CASE MANAGEMENT AND OUTREACH FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND TRY TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS SERVICES AND WRAPAROUND SERVICES FOR THAT FAMILY. SO ONE IS THAT TWO IS YOUTH AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

SO THEY PROP UP ANTI-VIOLENCE COALITIONS IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRY TO BRING COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH COMMUNITY FOCUSED SOLUTIONS IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND THEY ALSO DO OTHER THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY SANCTUARY PROJECTS, WHERE IF A COMMUNITY IS HURTING, SOMEONE WILL GO OUT WITH OUR FAITH BASED LEADERS TO HAVE A GATHERING FOR THAT COMMUNITY, BRING THEM TOGETHER, PROVIDE FOOD, PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT, AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO SUPPORT COMMUNITIES. SO ONE IS CBI PIVOT TO PEACE. TWO IS THE YOUTH AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND THEN THE THIRD PART WOULD BE MANAGEMENT OF GRANTS WITH OUTSIDE PARTNERS.

SO THROUGH THINGS LIKE THE GET BUSY INITIATIVE, WHICH IS THE MAYOR'S INITIATIVE, PROVIDING ACTIVITIES TO OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL AGED YOUTH IN THREE UNDERSERVED NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE MANAGING THAT GRANT AND HAVING THAT MOVE FORWARD. THEY HAVE MANAGED THE MAJORITY OF THE ARP FUNDED GRANTS. THEY CONTINUE TO MANAGE GRANTS WITH PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN FUNCTIONS FOR OVP. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN, I HATE TO DO THIS

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[2. O-267-25     AN ORDINANCE REPEALING THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”), SECTIONS 115.170 TO 115.182, AND REPLACING THEM WITH SECTIONS 115.170 TO 115.196 REGARDING MASSAGE FACILITIES. Action Required By: April 30, 2026 Sponsors: Jeff Hudson (R-23), Marilyn Parker (R-18), Khalil Batshon (R-25)]

AND WE WE STRUGGLED WITH WITH A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE. BUT IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD FIGHT TO HAVE FIGHTS. PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD. IT'S A GOOD STRUGGLE TO HAVE. BUT I THINK THAT THE LEGISLATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY IS, IS A GOOD PIECE OF LEGISLATION. BUT WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? ILLICIT ILLEGAL MASSAGE FACILITIES ARE BEING USED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN THIS CITY. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE METRO DISTRICT IN THIS ROOM THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THIS THERE. THERE ARE THESE FACILITIES IN EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT. AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, THE ILLEGITIMATE BUSINESSES ARE DISPARAGING THE LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES AND THE HONORABLE PROFESSION OF MASSAGE THERAPY. THERE HAVE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND WHY DON'T YOU JUST WORK WITH THE STATE, THE STATE ALREADY LICENSED LICENSES, MASSAGE THERAPISTS. AND THAT'S TRUE. THE STATE LICENSES THE PEOPLE. WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS LICENSE THE FACILITY. AND IT'S NOTHING NEW. WE WE LOUISVILLE HAVE HAD AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS SINCE 1974 THAT ISSUES LICENSES TO MASSAGE FACILITIES. 15 YEARS AGO, A DECISION WAS MADE TO STOP ISSUING THOSE LICENSES. OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE 15 YEARS, OUR COMPUTER SYSTEMS HAVE CHANGED AT LEAST THREE TIMES TO THE POINT WHERE WE NO LONGER HAD THE CAPABILITY TO ISSUE A LICENSE. IT JUST WASN'T IT WASN'T ON THE ON THE DROP DOWN. SO WE'VE CORRECTED THAT. THE, THE THE FEE FOR A LICENSE ORIGINALLY SET IN 1974 WAS $100. IT'S $200 NOW, BUT THAT $100 OR $200 ALSO INCLUDES THE FEE FOR THE FIRST INSPECTION, WHICH WAS A SEPARATE FEE BACK IN 1974. SO IT'S IT'S ALMOST A WASH THAT WAY. BUT AGAIN, THIS WORK WAS NOT DONE IN A VACUUM. WE WERE GIVEN INPUT FROM ALMOST EVERY FACET AND ELEMENT THAT IS ATTACHED TO THIS ISSUE, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, BUT I WILL RETURN THE FLOOR TO THE CHAIR AND BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE. VICE CHAIR HAWKINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. FIRST I

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THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HUDSON. WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN PEREZ, RIGHT, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, MR. HUDSON. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS COVERED A LOT OF MY CONCERNS AS THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ARE REACHING OUT, THOUGH, ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE A LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPIST AND WHO ARE WHO ARE SAYING THAT THIS WILL CAUSE ISSUES. THEY'VE ASKED FOR IT TO BE TABLED. AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THERE. I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S A WELL-ROUNDED DISCUSSION. I KNOW IT'S NOT NEW. I KNOW MOST OF THE THINGS YOU DO ARE SEEM TO BE VERY MEASURED. I'M NOT DOUBTING THAT. AND I KNOW SOMETIMES GOING AFTER THE BAD ACTORS, SOMETIMES THINGS, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND DOING WHAT THEY SAY. I DO THINK IT'S INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AS WE TRY TO BRING UP ISSUES AROUND WHAT THE STATE HAS CONTROL OVER AND WHAT WE HAVE TO. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A PICK AND CHOOSE ON WHAT WE CHOOSE TO INTERVENE IN WHEN IT COMES TO THE STATE LEVEL. AND I JUST REALLY WOULD LOVE THIS ENERGY TO BE USED FOR OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE HAVE SOME STATE OVERSIGHT OR STATE CONNECTIONS, AND THAT HOW HARD IT IS TO NAVIGATE THAT WHEN YOU BRING SOMETHING, THEY SAY, OH, WELL, THE STATE DOES THAT BECAUSE A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING IS ALREADY COVERED WITH THE STATE, THAT MOST OF THESE BAD ACTORS AREN'T CHECKING IN WITH THE STATE OR CHECKING THEIR LICENSE STATUS BEFORE THEY THEY DO THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE REGULATED. I JUST WANT TO SAY OUT OF THE MASSAGE THERAPIST THAT YOU I HOPE THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH WHAT HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST FEEDBACK FROM THEM, SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE BEST INFORMED DECISIONS THAT INCLUDE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO OPERATE IN THIS WAY IN A GOOD AND THE GOOD ACTORS. RESPOND. YOU LIKE TO RESPOND. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. IN A PARETO OF COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED, BY FAR, THE NUMBER ONE IS WHY DON'T YOU WORK WITH THE STATE? LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. OCTOBER 24TH OF LAST YEAR, AFTER WE HAD TRIED TO WORK LOCALLY AND FIND OUT THE LANDSCAPE, WE DID CALL THE THE STATE, THE KENTUCKY BOARD OF MASSAGE THERAPISTS, AND WE WERE TOLD, THANK YOU FOR CALLING AND WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND GET BACK TO YOU. THAT WAS ON OCTOBER 24TH OF LAST YEAR, NOVEMBER 11TH OF LAST YEAR. HAVING NOT HEARD ANYTHING, I CALLED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE WERE TOLD THE SAME THING. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. NO RESPONSE YET ON THAT 1ST DECEMBER 19TH OF LAST YEAR, I CALLED THE KENTUCKY BOARD OF MASSAGE THERAPIST AGAIN TO FOLLOW UP. HADN'T HEARD FROM YOU SINCE OCTOBER 24TH, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT OUR CASE WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE SUB.

COMPLAINT SUBCOMMITTEE WAS WHAT IT WAS CALLED. STILL WAITING FOR A RESPONSE FROM THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO WORK WITH THE STATE ON THIS ISSUE. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO WORK WITH THE STATE, BUT THE STATE WASN'T INTERESTED IN THIS UNTIL MONDAY

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AND I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO COUNCILMAN HUDSON, WHO SPENT A YEAR WORK ON THIS AND WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ASK ME TO BE A CO-SPONSOR, WHICH I AM. AND UNFORTUNATELY, ANOTHER REASON I AM IS BECAUSE I HAVE COME TO FIND OUT A LOT OF THESE TYPE FACILITIES IN MY DISTRICT, SO WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT. AND WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS SO THAT THAT INFO CAN MAYBE BE CLEARED UP A LITTLE BIT, AND ONE OF THEM HAS TO DO WITH THE REGISTRY. SO, COUNCILMAN HUDSON, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC HOW THE REGISTRY RECORD SHOULD BE KEPT? IS IT SIMPLY A SIGN AND LOG? IS THERE DETAILS OR IS IT JUST. NORMAL BUSINESS PRACTICES. SO THERE'S FOUR PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE HELD IN THAT REGISTRY. THE THE NAME OF THE PATRON, THE NAME OF THE THERAPIST, THE DATE AND TIME OF THE SERVICE AND SERVICES RENDERED THAT WILL BE HELD EITHER ELECTRONICALLY OR PEN AND PAPER. I WOULD DEFER TO EITHER THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR ABC TO GO THE NUTS AND GIVE THE NUTS AND BOLTS ON EXACTLY HOW THAT IS KEPT, HOW THOSE RECORDS ARE KEPT. BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. IF I HAVEN'T, I WOULD DEFER TO ABC AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. YEAH. CONNIE MENDEL, LOUISVILLE METRO PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS. EXCUSE ME, CHIEF HEALTH STRATEGIST. YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF MANDATING HOW YOU KEEP RECORDS, WHETHER IT'S A COMPUTER OR A LOG. I WILL SAY THAT LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES HAVE VERY DETAILED RECORDS, PARTICULARLY IF ANYONE IS VISITED. ILLEGITIMATE BUSINESS.

WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN, THEY'RE GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT MEDICAL PROBLEMS YOU HAVE.

WHERE ARE YOUR ATTENTION AREAS? I MEAN, IT IS A DETAILED BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HARM YOU. THEY'RE A LEGITIMATE MASSAGE THERAPIST. JOB IS IS TO RELIEVE STRESS AND AND RELIEVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH MEDICAL CONDITIONS. SO ANYONE THAT'S VISITED THOSE, THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE A FILE ON EACH OF THEIR CLIENTS. SO TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S REALLY NO EXTRA WORK INVOLVED IN THAT OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. GOT THAT COVERED. AND WILL THEY, THE THERAPIST BE SUBJECT TO TWO INSPECTIONS A YEAR? I KNOW YOU SAID ONE, BUT IS IT TWO? IT'S TWO PER YEAR.

TWO OKAY. LIKE OTHER FACILITIES. SO JUST AS A NOTE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY REGULATES OTHER TYPE OF FACILITIES. I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF FOOD FACILITIES THAT WE REGULATE DAYCARES, HOSPITALS, BUT WE ALSO REGULATE TANNING BEDS, TATTOO STUDIOS, AND ALSO REQUIRED A CERTIFIED ARTIST. PIERCING STUDIOS ALSO REQUIRES A CERTIFIED ARTIST SWIMMING POOLS, WHICH REQUIRE CERTIFIED POOL OPERATORS, SEPTIC INSTALLERS. AGAIN, THERE'S A CERTIFICATION REQUIRED FOR THAT. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALREADY REGULATES OKAY. AND THERE'S NO EXTRA FEE FOR THE SECOND INSPECTION. NOW IT LISTS TWO A MINIMUM OF TWO INSPECTIONS A YEAR. BUT THERE COULD ALSO BE COMPLAINT BASED INSPECTIONS.

AND WE DO A COUPLE THOUSAND OF THOSE A YEAR THROUGHOUT ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES THAT I LISTED. OKAY. AND WE ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO REFER TO US ESTABLISHMENTS THAT THEY THINK ARE ILLEGITIMATE. I GOT MY TWO IN GOOD. COUNCILWOMAN BETSY RUBY, PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMAN HUDSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW THIS IS A BIG, COMPLICATED DOCUMENT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET.

BUT I HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS WITH IT. HAVING USED PHYSICAL THERAPISTS OVER THE

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HOME SERVED. YEAH. SECTION 115 .196, SUBSECTION C. LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPIST WHO ARE NOT OPERATING A MASSAGE FACILITY. SO IF THEY COME TO YOUR HOME OR PART A TALKS ABOUT PHYSICAL THERAPISTS, THOSE ARE EXEMPT FROM THIS ENTIRE CHAPTER. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I'VE ALSO WORKED WITH PHYSICAL THERAPISTS WHO OPERATE THE STUDIO OUT OF HER HOME. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THIS IS THAT THAT WILL BE ILLEGAL. IS THAT ALSO CORRECT? INCORRECT.

YEAH. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE PART C THAT IS EXEMPT FROM THIS CHAPTER. THAT IS EXEMPT. OKAY.

AND THEN ONE THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION, AT LEAST BY THE READING OF THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS THAT I SPOKE WITH, HE OPERATES A STUDIO WHERE, MUCH LIKE A BEAUTY SALON, RENTS A CHAIR. AND SO THESE ARE NOT HIS EMPLOYEES. THEY ARE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WHO WORK IN HIS STUDIO. HOW ARE THEY COVERED UNDER THIS? BECAUSE HE COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW THAT FITS. AGAIN, THE STATE LICENSES THE PEOPLE. THIS ONLY ADDRESSES THE FACILITY. WELL, HOW DOES THIS FACILITY FIT UNDER THAT THEN? IF IF YOU HAVE LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPISTS WORKING IN YOUR BUILDING, THEN THAT FACILITY NEEDS TO BE LICENSED. ALL RIGHT. ABOUT THAT.

YEAH. EACH THERAPIST MUST HAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL STATE MASSAGE THERAPY LICENSES. YEAH. OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT ALSO AN INCIDENT? HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT HE HAS A YOUNG PERSON WHO'S HE'S WHO'S BEEN SEEING HIM SINCE HE WAS FIVE YEARS OLD. AND HE'S NOW A TEENAGER. AND HE WALKS TO THE TO THE FACILITY ON HIS OWN. THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE AN ADULT THERE. HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. BUT ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT WRITING OF THIS, IT'S REQUIRED THAT HE HAS AN ADULT WITH HIM. OKAY. YEAH. MINIMUM 18 YEARS OLD TO ENTER THE FACILITY UNACCOMPANIED. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WITH AUTHORIZATION FROM THE PARENT, THE CHILD'S ALLOWED TO COME ON THEIR OWN? YEAH, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION. OKAY. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AND GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE TO TALK. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. NEXT IN QUEUE WOULD BE COUNCILWOMAN MULVEY WOOLRIDGE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HUDSON, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ON IT. I DO SUPPORT THIS. I KNOW WE HAD CONVERSATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR TO THIS AS WELL. I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR. YOU'VE WORKED WITH ME, TASK FORCE ORGANIZATIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR, ETC. ON THIS. I KNOW SOME OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

I HAVE BEEN REACHED OUT TO, AS I'M SURE MANY OF OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE HERE, PHONE CALLS, EMAILS FROM THE MANY OF THOSE, NOT ONLY OUR CONSTITUENTS BUT THOSE ACROSS THE CITY. I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT I JUST WANT DOCUMENTED OF BEING ASKED IS ABOUT LOCKING THE DOORS. AS WE KNOW, A LOT OF THE FACILITIES MAY HAVE MINIMAL RECEPTION, MAY HAVE MINIMAL MASSAGE THERAPISTS IN THERE, BUT ASKING ABOUT LOCKING THE DOORS, I WOULD ASSUME, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME IT'S FOR FIRE HAZARDS, RIGHT. MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE UP TO CODE ON ON FIRE REGULATIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THE DOORS AND ALL ENTRANCES AND EVERYTHING ARE KEPT OPEN AT ALL TIMES, THAT THE FACILITY IS OPEN. BUT CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? YEAH, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO EITHER HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR ABC TO ANSWER THAT ONE. I THINK THE SECTION 115 .177 AND ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT I GOT. AND IT'S ABOUT ACCESS TO THE FACILITY. SO IT'S 115 .177. I KNOW THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR EXTERIOR DOORS OBVIOUSLY TO BE LOCKED, PARTICULARLY AS SOMEONE THAT'S WORKING IN AN INDEPENDENT FACILITY. I THINK THIS IS RELATES TO INTERIOR DOORS. YEAH, IT'S A177. SO ABOUT THE ACCESS ALL FRONT RECEPTION, HALLWAY EXTERIOR MAIN ENTRY DOOR SHALL BE UNLOCKED DURING BUSINESS HOURS, EXCEPT EXCEPT AS MAY BE

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LIKE COUNCILMAN HUDSON SAID THIS, THE INTENT IS TO ROOT OUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PERFORMING SERVICES COMMENSURATE WITH THAT. AND YOU KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY GOING AFTER THIS. UNDERSTOOD. LIKE I SAID, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT, AND I WANT TO BE AS A CO-SPONSOR. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IN QUEUE IS MARKUS WINKLER, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE MAYBE JUST ONE QUESTION FOR THE SPONSOR AND SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT. SO LET ME JUST FIRST SAY, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE. NOBODY WANTS HUMAN TRAFFICKING. IN FACT, I WAS AT I HAPPENED TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THIS. WAS VISITING THE CENTER FOR WOMEN AND FAMILIES LAST WEEK AND SORT OF ASKED ABOUT THIS. IS THIS A REAL CONCERN? AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS A REAL CONCERN IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. THE CONCERN I HAVE IS I GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY FROM A CONSTITUENT WHO HIGHLIGHTED THAT THEY HAVE PRESCRIPTION FOR MASSAGES SPECIFICALLY, INCLUDING THEIR GLUTES, PECS AND BREASTS. OKAY. AND SO THE CONCERN IS THAT GIVEN THE DEFINITIONS OF GENITALIA AND THEN SECTION 115 .184 E THE LAST SENTENCE, ANY CONTACT WITH THE SEXUAL GENITALIA IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IF THEY'VE GOT A PRESCRIPTION. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WE MIGHT BE AMENABLE TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT ADDS SOME THING IN ADDITION THERE TO LIKE UNLESS ORDERED BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR OR I MEAN, SPEAKING TO MY COLLEAGUE TO MY LEFT AND WE SAID PRESCRIPTION. BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE WRITTEN AS A SCRIPT PER SE, SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE FOR USING THE SAME WORD TWICE. BUT UNLESS, YOU KNOW, UNDER MEDICAL ORDERS OR OR RECOMMENDED BY A PHYSICIAN OR SOMETHING TO THAT ORDER, CONNIE, MAYBE I'LL DEFER TO YOU IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON SORT OF HOW TO WORD THAT, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE THE ADDITION OF SORT OF THOSE 3 OR 4 WORDS. AFTER THAT, IT'S STRICTLY PROHIBITED TO TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN, BUT I WOULD REFER YOU TO PAGE THREE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT INTENTIONAL TOUCHING, EITHER DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CLOTHING OF THE GENITALIA. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE DESCRIPTIONS ON THE RECORD HERE, BUT THE LAST SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT WITH AN INTENT TO AROUSE OR GRATIFY THE SEXUAL DESIRE OF ANY PERSON. SO IT'S ALL ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE TOUCHING. SO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I DO THINK THEN THOUGH, THAT 115 TO AN EXTENT IS CONTRARY BECAUSE IT SAYS IT IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. RIGHT? AND WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION. SO CERTAINLY OPEN. I KNOW THAT'S YOUR POINT, RIGHT? I THINK IF SOMEBODY HAS A PRESCRIPTION FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR GLUTES TO BE MASSAGED OR THEIR BREAST TO BE MASSAGED, THAT AND THERE'S A MEDICAL REASON FOR THAT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. I MEAN, THE POINT HERE CLEARLY IS IF IT'S FOR SEXUAL GRATIFICATION, CERTAINLY OPEN TO DISCUSSION. SO I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. I CAN'T MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. I WOULD ASK IF SOMEBODY COULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT ADDS SOME SORT OF CLARIFICATION THERE. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. I MOVED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, ADDING A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SECOND, I'M NOT SEEING NO. I'M SORRY. TELL ME, ARE WE READY, COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. OKAY, LET ME BEGIN BY. MAKING AN AMENDMENT HERE TO SECTION 115 .184. LETTER E. IT'LL READ AS FOLLOWS. JUST GIVE ME A QUICK SECOND.

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AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF AMENDMENT. WE HAVE A MOTION. I MOVE SECOND.

OKAY, THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. A VOICE VOTE, ANY DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT? I'M GOING TO DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT. DO WE NEED A VOICE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. MR. PIACENTINI, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE? DO YOU WANT TO.

I'LL JUST MAKE THIS QUICK. I WOULD, I KNOW MY COLLEAGUE WITH ALL GOOD INTENTION MENTIONED MINORS BEING ABLE TO ENTER SOME OF THESE PLACES UNACCOMPANIED. I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

THIS IS A THERAPEUTIC SERVICE, ONE THAT IS DONE IN MANY CASES FOR AND WHEN DONE LEGITIMATELY, IS DONE FOR THE PURPOSES OF HEALTH AND HEALTH CARE. MINORS CANNOT GO INTO HEALTHCARE FACILITIES UNACCOMPANIED. SO I THINK TO BE CONSISTENT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD NOT CONDONE HERE. AND THE DOOR THAT WOULD BE OPENED TO HAVE MINORS GOING IN UNACCOMPANIED WAY INTO THESE FACILITIES IS IS TOO BROAD A DOOR TO ALLOW THE BAD ACTORS TO CONTINUE OPERATING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERN WITH THAT. I KNOW THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU, CONNIE, FOR MAKING YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL AS THE OTHER ELEMENTS, THE ADMINISTRATION, ABC CODES AND REGS. I DON'T I CAN'T THINK FRANKLY OF SOMETHING THAT WE VOTED ON RECENTLY THAT'S THIS IMPORTANT.

THIS IS IN EVERY WAY SEXUAL SLAVERY. THIS IS A AND BECAUSE 15 YEARS AGO, SOME PRIOR ADMINISTRATION DECIDED TO STOP ENFORCING THE LAW. WE HAVE SEEN AN ABSOLUTE EXPLOSION OF THIS ACTIVITY IN THIS CITY. AT THIS POINT, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE STATE DOES. I DON'T CARE WHAT OUR BORDERING COUNTIES DO. WE MUST SEND A CLEAR SIGNAL TO THIS INDUSTRY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, TO THIS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY.

AGAIN, I AM A PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO NOT HAVE TO DO ANY REGULATION IF WE'RE ALL ANGELS. WE WOULDN'T. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THE PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTWEIGH THE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING TO INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR LICENSURE PROCESS, ONLY TO THE BUSINESSES. IT IS COMPLETELY STANDARD THAT BUSINESSES HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME MINOR PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THIS, IN ORDER TO LICENSE THEMSELVES, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. THIS IS NOTHING COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN IN THE HEALTH CARE SECTOR HIS WHOLE LIFE. THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE REGULATIONS AND PROCESSES AND LICENSURE THAT HEALTHCARE FACILITIES HAVE TO GO THROUGH BEFORE THEY CAN START SERVING PEOPLE. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU ENOUGH. COUNCILMAN HUDSON HAS BEEN BRIEFING MY CAUCUS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW ON HIS PROGRESS ON THIS. I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS COME TO FRUITION, AND I'M JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO SUPPORT THE PASSAGE OF THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, PLEASE. COUNCILMAN HUDSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. IS THERE A MOVE? IS THERE A SECOND TO THE SECOND? THE MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED. SO WE WILL CALL THE QUESTION. WOULD YOU HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE? I HAVE TO MAKE A VOTE FOR THE TO MOVE IT. SO YOU DO HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. SO WE NEED A VOTE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. OR DO YOU WANT TO ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. VOTED SEVEN. COMMITTEE MEMBER PARISH RIGHT. YES. THAT'S YOUR. CALL.

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YES. OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, IS CANCELED. INSTEAD, WE'LL

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