Oct 23, 2025 Budget Committee

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METRO TV WILL START IN ONE MINUTE. YES. OH, GOOD. SHE SAID SHE'S GOING TO TRY, BUT SHE

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[Call to Order]

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[Roll Call]

345. SIX. SEVEN. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A QUORUM. MADAM CLERK, IF YOU PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD THE COMMENT ABOUT THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A READ IN FULL. GREAT. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE ITEMS IN ORDER. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS

[1. O-240-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 163, SERIES 2022, AND ORDINANCE NO. 092, SERIES 2025, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 CAPITAL BUDGET, BY TRANSFERRING $200,000 FROM THE UNALLOCATED BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW GRANTS PROJECT TO THE SAFE STREETS & ROADS FOR ALL (“SS4A”) VISION ZERO PERSONNEL PROJECT. Action Required By: March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Jennifer Chappell (D-15) ]

CHAIR. SO THERE WASN'T A LOT OF EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT THE $200,000 IS, IS GOING TO DO.

BUT WHAT I COULD SURMISE FROM IT WAS THAT WE'RE TAKING CAPITAL MONEY AND PAYING FOR OPERATIONS WITH IT. SO COULD YOU KIND OF PUT SOME COLOR ON WHAT THAT 200,000 IS PAYING FOR? YEAH, IT'S SERVING AS A MATCH FOR EMPLOYEE SALARY AND FRINGE BENEFITS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I

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SO SOME OF THEIR DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES WOULD BE THINGS LIKE RUNNING THE SPEED FEEDBACK SIGN PROGRAM IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, SERVING AS. SERVING AS SORT OF THE SHEPHERD TO OVERSEE IMPLEMENTATION OF LOUISVILLE'S RECENTLY COMPLETED SPEED MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THEN THE OTHER EMPLOYEE WOULD BE AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST WITHIN PUBLIC HEALTH, AND THEY WOULD HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES. ONE OF THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE TO CREATE A DATA LINKAGE PROGRAM, WHERE YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND THE LIFE CYCLE OF A CRASH. SO YOU'D BE LINKING COLLISION REPORT DATA WITH EMS RUN SHEET DATA, AND THEN WITH TRAUMA REGISTRY DATA, AND SO THAT YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND NOT JUST WHAT HAPPENED AT THE TIME OF THE CRASH, BUT ALSO HAVE IMPROVED DATA ACCURACY OF INDIVIDUALS INJURY SEVERITY. SO SAY, SAY, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON SCENE, THEY MAY HAVE ONLY QUICKLY SEEN A CRASH VICTIM AND THEY MIGHT MARK THEM AS SUSPECTED MINOR INJURY. BUT THEN THEY GET INTO THE TRAUMA CENTER AND A TRAUMA SURGEON SAYS, NO, NO, NO, THIS IS A SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURY. THERE WERE AND THOSE ARE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS AS WELL. AND SO HAVING IMPROVED DATA ACCURACY FOR THINGS LIKE THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE INVEST A LOT OF MONEY USING THAT CRASH DATA TO INFORM OUR DECISION MAKING. SO IF WE CAN IMPROVE THAT DATA ACCURACY THAT THAT WILL BE A BIG HELP. SO IT'S TWO PEOPLE FOR ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, TWO PEOPLE FOR TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, BARGAIN ON THOSE. SO WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE TWO YEARS. WHAT'S THE PLAN TO PAY THEM AFTER THAT? AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS THE PLAN IS TO ELIMINATE THE POSITIONS AFTER THE TWO YEARS BECAUSE THEY'RE GRANT FUNDED. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DO NOT HAVE.

OKAY. CAN I HAVE IT NOTED ON THE RECORD THAT THOSE POSITIONS ARE BEING ELIMINATED AT THE END OF TWO YEARS? PLEASE. THANK YOU. I HEARD GRANT FUNDED. JUST SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. YEAH, THEY'RE GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS. I MEAN, WHICH MEANS AT THE END OF TWO YEARS, THE GRANT GOES AWAY. PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THOSE POSITIONS GO AWAY AS WELL, WHICH IS WHAT I JUST HEARD.

THAT WAS THE TESTIMONY. I JUST WOULD POINT OUT ON THE RECORD THAT THOSE POSITIONS ARE BEING ELIMINATED AT THE END OF TWO YEARS. RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, BUT CAN I ASK, SO IF WE SECURED ANOTHER GRANT FOR THOSE POSITIONS, IT WOULD IT WOULD STILL BE A GRANT FUNDED POSITION. SO YOUR ANSWER STANDS THERE, GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS AS LONG AS THE GRANT FUNDS THEM.

THAT'S THE INTENT OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT.

COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE THANK YOU CHAIR. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A MATCH, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WHAT WAS THE REQUIREMENT FOR FOR THE MATCH? MEANING WAS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT HAD TO BE RAISED FIRST FOR THEM TO MATCH IT? IT'S 8020. SO 800,000 FEDERAL 200,000 METRO OKAY. AND THEN OF THIS 163 SO OF THE ORDINANCE. YEAH. OF THE ORDINANCE. 163 IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR WHAT THE REMAINING FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR OUTSIDE OF THESE TWO EMPLOYEES OR. NO, THAT THAT'S THE EXCLUSIVE, EXCLUSIVE USE IS THE OR THE TWO EMPLOYEES. SO BUT I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE 163 FROM WHAT'S LEFT IS A LITTLE OVER 1.6 MILLION. OH THAT'S THE

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AND I JUST WANT TO EXPAND ON COUNCILMAN PARKER'S QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK WHERE SHE'S GOING. AND, COUNCILMAN PARKER, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, NOD IN AGREEMENT OR TELL ME THAT I'M WRONG. BUT I THINK THE QUESTION BEHIND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO POST THESE POSITIONS AND PAY ON THE ORDER OF $200,000 PLUS, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND FRINGE, YOU KNOW, LET'S CALL IT $50,000 A YEAR. YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS BY TWO PEOPLE. IT MEANS THAT EACH ONE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GETTING PAID AROUND $200,000 IN BASE SALARY, $50,000 IN FRINGE. THAT WOULD MAKE THEM, BY MY UNBELIEF, ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAID POSITIONS IN METRO GOVERNMENT.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE QUESTION. YEAH, IT IS CONFUSING BECAUSE THE 800,000 IN FEDERAL AND 200,000 IN METRO MATCH WAS WAS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF HAVING IT HAVING THE GRANT RUN FOR FIVE YEARS. I THINK OF THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT ONLY. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO PAY THOSE POSITIONS AT A COMPETITIVE WAGE. SO NO, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE ASTRONOMICALLY PAID. WE WOULD JUST MAYBE, MAYBE THINK OF IT MORE AS AN UP TO $200,000 METRO MATCH. REALISTICALLY, I'M THINKING WE MIGHT USE ABOUT HALF OF THAT. OKAY, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE QUESTION. WE ARE ALLOCATING

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THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT VERSUS THE THE DURATION OF THE GRANT BEING CHANGED DEFINITELY IS VERY CONFUSING. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

THIS IS SONYA HARWARD, THE CLERK. SO ON THE SYSTEM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THIS ONE. OKAY. SORRY, I OVERLOOKED THAT. WAS THERE SOMEONE SET TO PROPOSE THE AMENDMENT? IF SO, I'M WAITING FOR THEM. IF NOT, I'M LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM AND THEY BOTH LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO ME. I'M LOOKING AT IT, TOO. I'M TRYING TO SEE WHO SENT IT TO ME.

I THINK AARON AARON JACKSON SENT IT TO ME. MAYBE. MAYBE BESTINVER CAN SPEAK TO IT IF SHE'S THERE. CLAIRE, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT IT? I'M NOT SURE. IT'S. IT'S AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR. I'M SORRY.

SO, COLLEAGUES, ON YOUR SYSTEM, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT ARE THAT ARE LISTED THERE. THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION IS THE ONE THAT'S LISTED FIRST, AND THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE IS THE ONE THAT'S LISTED SECOND. AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO AMEND BY SUBSTITUTION MOTION. CAN I GET A SECOND? OKAY. SO NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION IN FRONT OF US. AGAIN THAT'S THE ITEM. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE IN YOUR SYSTEM. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION BEST, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE. COUNCILMAN LEININGER, I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION, PLEASE? BETH. ABSOLUTELY. BETH DENBERG, THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE WAS MOVING THE MONEY FROM THE BILL MATCH FUNDS TO A CAPITAL PROJECT. THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION LITERALLY MOVES THE 200,000 TO THE OPERATING BUDGET SO THEY CAN SPEND IT FOR PERSONNEL. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. HAVE THE AMENDED I HAVE AN AMENDMENT BEFORE US, SO I NEED A ROLL CALL. I MEAN A VOICE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OKAY. IT'S ONE IN OPPOSITION, TWO IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. SO BY VOICE VOTE, THE AMENDMENT PASSES. NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDED VERSION BEFORE US. AND THIS CALLS FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE OPEN THE VOTING. SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILMAN MCCRANIE. YES. CHAIR CRAMER, YOU HAVE SIX YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE. OKAY. THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS.

[2. O-245-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 92, SERIES 2025, RELATING TO FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 CAPITAL BUDGET, BY CHANGING THE LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WEST END IMPROVEMENT FUND CAPITAL PROJECT. Action Required By: April 16, 2026 Sponsors: Kevin Kramer (R-11) Markus Winkler (D-17)]

BY CHANGING THE LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WEST END IMPROVEMENT FUND CAPITAL PROJECT MOTION IS PROPERLY BEFORE US. THIS IS DONE. I NOTICED YOU'VE TAKEN THE PODIUM.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF. THANK YOU. ANGIE DUNN CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO THIS LEGISLATION AMENDS THE WEST END IMPROVEMENT FUND CAPITAL PROJECT LANGUAGE

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[3. O-253-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 091, SERIES 2025, AND ORDINANCE NO. 092, SERIES 2025, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGETS, RESPECTIVELY, BY ESTABLISHING A NEW CAPITAL PROJECT TITLED AOC DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CAPITAL PROJECTS AS AUTHORIZED BY ORDINANCE 129, SERIES 2025. Action Required By: April 16, 2026 Sponsors: Markus Winkler (D-17) ]

SO THIS LEGISLATION AS STATED, THIS LEGISLATION ESTABLISHES A NEW CAPITAL PROJECT CALLED THE AOC DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CAPITAL PROJECTS IS AUTHORIZED BY ORDINANCE 129, SERIES 2025.

THE REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT WILL COME FROM THE FEES AND COSTS IN CIRCUIT COURT, IN CIVIL AND CRIMINAL CASES IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, THE FEES GENERATED WILL BE USED TO FUND OVER 40 MILLION IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR JUDICIAL BRANCH CAPITAL PROJECTS AND CONTINUED MAINTENANCE THEREAFTER. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE 1.2 MILLION ASSUMED IN THIS ORDINANCE IS AN ESTIMATE BASED ON LANGUAGE REFERRED REFERENCED IN ORDINANCE 129, SERIES 2025. OMB IS OMB, AND OMB INTENT IS TO COMPLETE A RECONCILIATION AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE. MADAM CLERK, I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO COUNCILMAN WINKLER LAST THURSDAY EVENING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, AND MY INTENT WAS TO SIGN ON AS A SPONSOR. I THINK HE AND I HAD HAD A NO. HE AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

OBVIOUSLY, I DID NOT FOLLOW UP. SO IF I COULD BE LISTED AS A SPONSOR, PLEASE, UNLESS COUNCILMAN WINKLER HAS CHANGED HIS MIND AND WANTS ME TO HAVE NO PART OF IT, GLADLY HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU. SO NOTED. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS IS ITEM CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILMAN MCCRANIE. YES. CHAIR. KRAMER, YOU HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES. GREAT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THIS IS AN

[4. O-254-25     AN ORDINANCE OF THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT (THE "METRO GOVERNMENT" OR THE "ISSUER"), PROVIDING FOR AND AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF CERTAIN GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND NOTES OF THE METRO GOVERNMENT IN ONE OR MORE SERIES TO FINANCE THE COSTS OF VARIOUS PUBLIC PROJECTS AS DESCRIBED IN METRO GOVERNMENT CAPITAL PROJECTS BUDGETS; SETTING FORTH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ON WHICH THE BONDS AND NOTES ARE TO BE ISSUED AND PROVIDING FOR A COMPETITIVE, ADVERTISED SALE THEREOF; DEFINING AND PROVIDING FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE HOLDERS OF THE BONDS AND NOTES AND PROVIDING FOR THE APPLICATION OF THE PROCEEDS THEREOF; AND TAKING OTHER RELATED ACTION RELATING TO THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE BONDS AND NOTES. Action Required By: April 16, 2026 Sponsors: Markus Winkler (D-17) ]

CLERK, SIR. YES, COUNCILMAN. HOWARD. I'M SORRY, MADAM CLERK. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THIS ONE AS WELL. OKAY. ASSUMING IT'S THE. SAME WAY. SO ON OUR SYSTEM, IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST ORDINANCE THAT'S THERE. YES. NO, THAT'S THE WRONG THING. COUNCILMAN WINKLER. YEAH, I HAD QUEUED IN TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION FOR

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COUNCILMAN WINKLER HAS SPOKEN. ANYONE ELSE SEEING NO ONE AGAIN? THIS CALLS. I'M SORRY. WE HAVEN'T AMENDED AMENDMENT BEFORE US. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AMENDMENT PASSES. NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDED VERSION BEFORE US.

MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING? OH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU, COUNCILMAN.

SORRY, I WAS I WAS READING THROUGH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. COULD WE HAVE THE SUMMARY OF THE AMENDMENT? THE AMENDMENT? I THINK THE SUMMARY I READ WAS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE AMENDMENT.

THERE WAS WHAT WE ADDED IN THE AMENDMENT WAS THE THE POTENTIAL REFUNDING FOR 2014. A F BOND SERIES. THOSE ARE SOME OLDER BONDS. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT ON THEM. WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT TO MARKET AND SEE IF WE GET A FAVORABLE RESPONSE. IF WE DON'T, WE WILL LEAVE THEM INTACT AND WE'LL NOT REFINANCE THEM. IF WE GET A FAVORABLE RESPONSE, WE COULD SAVE SOME MONEY FOR METRO IN OUR IN OUR REPAYMENT REFUNDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THOSE REFUNDED, WILL THAT DECREASE THE RESPECTFUL BUDGET AMOUNTS AND WHAT WE'RE PAYING OUT RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD IT WOULD DECREASE THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE LIFE OF THOSE BONDS. AND THEY'VE GOT A FEW YEARS LEFT ON THEM. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE. NOW WE HAVE THE ITEM BEFORE US. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILMAN MCCRANIE. YES. CHAIR CRAMER, YOU HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES. THANK YOU. WITH UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. THIS TOO

[5. R-045-25     A RESOLUTION OF THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT, KENTUCKY, GIVING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF AN INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND FINANCING FOR CHURCHILL DOWNS INCORPORATED AND ITS AFFILIATES; AUTHORIZING INITIATION OF THE ACQUISITION, CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT RELATED THERETO; AGREEING TO UNDERTAKE THE ISSUANCE OF A SERIES OF INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME; AND TAKING OTHER PRELIMINARY ACTION. 9/18/25 Budget Committee  Held 9/4/25 Budget Committee  Held 8/7/25 Budget Committee  Held 6/23/25 Special Budget Committee Held 6/16/25 Special Budget Committee  Held 6/5/25 Budget Committee  Held 5/8/25 Budget Committee  Held Action Required By: October 24, 2025 Sponsors: Kevin Kramer (R-11), Markus Winkler (D-17)]

[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]