[00:22:44] 30S. [Call to Order] [00:23:24] ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE [00:23:29] MEETING OF TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST. IT'S 1:02 P.M. I'M CHAIR ANDREW OWEN. MY VICE CHAIR, [Roll Call] [00:23:36] SCOTT REID, HAS ASKED FOR AN EXCUSED ABSENCE, ALTHOUGH HE SAID HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO JOIN [00:23:40] US VIRTUALLY AT SOME POINT. WE ARE JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON, COUNCILMAN BRATCHER, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY, WE'RE JOINED VIRTUALLY BY COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. AND WE'RE JOINED BY COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61 .826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NUMBER FOUR FORWARD. SO COUNCILMAN WINKLER CAN ADDRESS THAT SINCE HE'S JOINING US ONLINE. SO THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM NUMBER 4028825. AN ORDINANCE IMPOSING A [4. O-228-25     AN ORDINANCE IMPOSING A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON REZONING, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND PLAN CERTAIN, CATEGORY 2B AND 3 DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS RELATING TO TELECOMMUNICATION HOTELS AND DATA CENTERS PENDING A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDED CHANGES BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 10/7/25 Planning and Zoning Committee Held 9/16/25 Planning and Zoning Committee Held Action Required By March 11, 2026 Sponsors: Markus Winkler (D-17) ] TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON REZONING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND PLAN CERTAIN CATEGORY TWO B AND THREE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS RELATING TO TELECOMMUNICATION, HOTELS AND DATA CENTERS, PREVENTING A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDED CHANGES BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. CAN I GET A MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE? SECOND, PLEASE. PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN? THE SPONSOR IS COUNCILMAN WINKLER. LET'S LET HIM ADDRESS US AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR OWEN AND COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. [00:25:05] WHEN I INTRODUCED, IF YOU RECALL, JUST KIND OF TAKE A QUICK HISTORY TOUR HERE ABOUT THE LAST FOUR WEEKS. YOU KNOW, FOUR WEEKS AGO, I INTRODUCED THE MORATORIUM ALONG WITH THE REQUEST FOR CHANGES FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE PASSED THOSE IN THAT MEETING. THOSE HAVE GONE TO STAFF AND STAFF AS WELL ON THEIR WAY. I ALSO HAD THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS, AS WE'RE REVIEWING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT WE DON'T GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE KIND OF PUSHED THROUGH WHILE THE RULES ARE BEING WRITTEN. SINCE INTRODUCING THE MORATORIUM, I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE AND THE PROGRESS THAT STAFF IS MAKING. AND BASICALLY, STAFF HAD ALREADY STARTED THINKING ABOUT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM. SO SORT OF HAD A HEAD START TO US PASSING THE RESOLUTION. THEY'RE MAKING POSITIVE PROGRESS. THEY'VE GOT A SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT I THINK THEY ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK THAT ARE COMING, AND IT'S MY EXPECTATION THAT EITHER BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR THE VERY START OF NEXT YEAR, WE WILL HAVE THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RECOMMENDATIONS. AT THE SAME TIME, THE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE FOR THESE THINGS TO BE CREATED AND BUILT AND GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS IS MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN THE TIME THAT STAFF IS GOING TO NEED. SO THAT MAKES THE MORATORIUM REALLY SUPERFLUOUS. SECONDARILY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE, THERE ARE NONE, AND THERE ARE NO EXTRAS PLANNED. I GUESS THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I SHOULD SAY. THERE ARE NO OTHER ONES PLANNED CURRENTLY. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND I TALKED TO THE CHAIR ABOUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS WITH WITH THE FLOYDS FORK MORATORIUM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WHICH WAS WHILE THOSE CODES WERE WERE BEING CHANGED. THE SPONSOR HELD IT HERE JUST IN CASE, BUT DIDN'T MOVE THE MORATORIUM FORWARD. BUT BUT HAD IT ON THE DOCKET JUST IN CASE THINGS CHANGE. AND A BUNCH OF LAND PROPOSALS CAME THROUGH. I'D REQUEST FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT WE DO THE SAME THING. SO RATHER THAN PASSING IT, YOU KNOW, TABLE IT, HOLD IT HERE COMMITTEE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE NEEDED. BUT IF IT IS, WE'VE GOT IT AVAILABLE TO US. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. CHAIR. THANK YOU. JUST WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY VICE CHAIR REED VIRTUALLY, AS I MENTIONED. HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO WELCOME. SO LET ME SEE HERE. I DON'T SEE THAT I HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN THE QUEUE. ANYBODY HAVE A COUNCILMAN BRATCHER. YES, SIR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GET WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DEBATE OF THESE THINGS TODAY. IS THAT THE IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE LEARNED A LOT, QUITE A BIT JUST IN THE LAST LIKE 48 HOURS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN AREA IN VIRGINIA THAT'S ACTUALLY LOWERING THEIR PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE OF THE INFLUX OF THE DATA CENTERS. AND TO ME, THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE PROS AND CONS NOW, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MARK. COUNCILMAN WINKLER, TELECOMMUNICATION HOTELS. WHAT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOSE, MR. CHAIR, MAY I FLOOR IS YOURS. YEAH. SO, COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW, MAYBE TWO THINGS. FIRST, YOUR FIRST POINT ABOUT DEBATING THE DATA CENTERS. I THINK ULTIMATELY, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE WILL MEAN THAT PROPOSALS FOR DATA CENTERS WILL COME BEFORE THIS BODY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD DEBATE THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. RIGHT. AND WHETHER IT IS RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT ON THAT. AS FOR THE DATA HOTELS, THAT IS THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TODAY. STAFF TODAY CONSIDERS SORT OF A DATA CENTER, WHETHER IT IS TEENY TINY OR A HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER. THE SAME THING IN ALL, UNDER THIS CATEGORY OF DATA HOTELS. I THINK WHEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS WRITTEN AND I MAY SORT OF OVERSIMPLIFY, BUT I THINK WHAT DATA HOTEL ENCOMPASSED AND WAS MEANT AT THAT TIME IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'LL SEE THESE NONDESCRIPT, YOU KNOW, 4000 SQUARE FOOT BRICK BUILDINGS THAT ARE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, AT&T OR SPECTRUM DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. THEY PARK A FEW AT&T TRUCKS THERE, AND IT'S WHERE THEIR LINES TERMINATE THAT. THAT'S A DATA HOTEL, BUT THAT IS THE CATEGORY THAT IS CURRENTLY CONSIDERED THE MOST CLOSE TO WHAT A DATA CENTER IS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING USED FOR THE CURRENT ZONING FOR DATA CENTERS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO REVIEW AND SAY THOSE PROBABLY AREN'T THE SAME THING OR AND MAYBE SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED DIFFERENTLY. ONE MORE QUESTION IF I COULD. SURE. COUNCILMEMBER. SO JUST TO GET STRAIGHT TO KIND OF A PRE [00:30:03] ORGANIZATION AND I'LL, I'LL DEFINITELY BE LISTENING TO THE DEBATE AND THAT'LL BE GREAT. SO WE'VE GOT THE PLAYERS OF THIS WOULD BE THE BUILDERS OF THE DATA CENTER. THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THAT THEY BUILD THIS UPON. AND THEN OF COURSE METRO REGULATIONS AND GOVERNMENT. AND THEN THE THIRD PARTY WHO OPERATES THEM AS WOULD BE PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN THE BUILDERS IS IS THERE ANY OTHER PLAYERS THAT WE THIS IS THE FEDS JUMP IN ON THIS. WELL I MEAN THERE'LL BE I KNOW THE STATE PROBABLY PRIMARILY THOSE ARE PRIMARILY THE, THE PLAYERS. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BECAUSE THEY USE SO MUCH, SO MANY RESOURCES, I WOULD GUESS THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION COULD BE INVOLVED AS WELL, INCLUDING ANOTHER UTILITY COMPANIES, BECAUSE THEY USE SO MUCH WATER, SO MUCH UTILITIES. AND AND THAT'S KIND OF THE DOWNSIDE. THERE IS CERTAINLY POTENTIALLY UPSIDE FOR DATA CENTERS AND DOWNSIDE FOR DATA CENTERS. AND SOME OF IT IS THAT THEY'RE JUST THEY USE SO MANY RESOURCES. SO, COUNCILMAN WINKLER, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT, PLEASE? YEAH, I THINK YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I THINK THE ANSWER IS IT DEPENDS, BECAUSE NOT ALL DATA CENTERS ARE THE SAME. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE SORT OF THESE MASSIVE SCALE DATA CENTERS, LIKE WHAT'S BEING BUILT OVER IN RIVER RIDGE FOR THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF ACRES, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES TONS OF POWER. AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME REALLY SMALL SCALE DATA CENTERS. YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN NOTICE. AND SO I THINK DEPENDING ON WHERE ON THAT CONTINUUM THEY FALL, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, TO YOUR POINT, YOU MIGHT BRING IN, YOU KNOW, PSC, YOU KNOW, LG AND E, THE WATER COMPANY, CERTAINLY NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL ALL PLAYERS THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED ON A MUCH, MUCH SMALLER SCALE PROJECT. IT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT FIT UNDER THE CLASSIFICATION OF A OF A DATA HOTEL. AND AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT ANYBODY. THANK YOU. SO I, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMAN WINKLER ABOUT THIS. AND WE WE AGREED THAT THE WAY THAT COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI KIND OF PROCEEDED WITH, WITH THE MORATORIUM THAT HE HAD PROPOSED AS IT RELATED TO FORD'S FORK, AND WE JUST KIND OF SAT ON IT, IT JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED IT MADE SOME SENSE TO US. DOES ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC RESPONSE OR IDEAS ABOUT OR THOUGHTS ABOUT ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL FROM COUNCILMAN WINKLER? I HAVE JUST A THOUGHT. HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN PARISH. RIGHT. FOR SURE. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO IN THE MEANTIME, BECAUSE THE MORATORIUM HAS NOT BEEN PASSED, THIS LEGISLATION HASN'T BEEN PASSED. IT'S STILL THINGS THAT ARE IN PLAY. SO WE'RE GETTING CALLS ABOUT DATA CENTERS. BUT THERE'S I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE FOR THE DISTRICT YET, BUT I'VE SEEN ONE PROPOSED FOR DISTRICT ONE. SO THIS DOES NOTHING TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLAY. AND YOU'RE SAYING HOLD IT IN CASE WE NEED IT. AFTER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF COME BACK. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR SO I CAN COMMUNICATE THIS BACK TO PEOPLE. SO SO THAT'S THE CORRECT. THE CAMP, THE CAMPGROUND ROAD DATA CENTER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS MORATORIUM PROPOSAL. ANYWAY. THAT PROPOSAL, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE THAT HAD TO HAPPEN FROM A LEGISLATIVE BODY STANDPOINT FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT, FOR FOR THAT PROPOSAL. AND SO THIS MORATORIUM WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED THAT ANYWAY. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE WE'VE TALKED COUNCILMAN WINKLER HAS TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITHIN DEPARTMENTS HERE AT METRO GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE NO OTHER PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. AND SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HOLD THIS IN COMMITTEE. SO WE'RE IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN. IT'S ALREADY BEEN PREPARED. WE COULD MOVE ON IT PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE NEEDED TO AND IF WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO. AND SO THAT'S THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD JUST HOLD ON TO IT, KEEP IT IN OUR BACK POCKET IF WE NEED IT. I THINK I THINK GENERALLY, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND ANYBODY IF ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH ME, PLEASE STEP IN. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE'VE ALL TRIED TO AVOID MORATORIUMS IF WE CAN. RIGHT. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ADMINISTRATIVELY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, PASSING A MORATORIUM FOR ANY SPECIFIC THING. SO IN, IN IN THAT SPIRIT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE MORATORIUM WRITTEN. WE HAVE IT SITTING THERE WAITING FOR US AND WAITING IN COMMITTEE. SO IF WE NEED IT, WE COULD PASS IT PRETTY QUICKLY. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL JUST HOLD IT, NOT PASS IT, AND JUST AND USE IT IF WE NEED IT. COUNCILMAN WINKLER, IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? NO. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THIS COUNCILWOMAN. RIGHT. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, THIS WAS WRITTEN NOT TO IMPACT THE ONE THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN PLANNED, BECAUSE, AGAIN, SORT OF ONCE THINGS LIKE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, [00:35:04] THE WORST WAY TO LEGISLATE IS ONCE SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY MOVING FORWARD TO THEN COME IN ON THE BACK END SO THAT ONE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE MORATORIUM. AND I HAVE NO PLANS TO IMPACT IT. AGAIN, WE THINK THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES WILL BE WRITTEN BEFORE THERE ARE ANY OTHERS, BUT WE'LL HAVE THIS IN OUR BACK POCKET. SHOULD THAT NOT BE THE CASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF I CAN FOLLOW UP. SURE. FOR JUST. AND THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU'RE HELPING ME BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS WITH CONSTITUENTS. SO, AS COUNCILMAN WINKLER AND YOU HAVE DISCUSSED AND THERE ARE NO OTHER ONES PLANNED BESIDES THE ONE THAT WAS ALREADY GOING FOR CAMPGROUND ROAD, SO THERE'S NO OTHER ONES PLANNED OR IN THE WORKS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BACON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. KIND OF ADDRESSED MY CONCERN THAT IS THIS MORATORIUM GOING TO AFFECT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLAY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, POSE SOME SUPPORT INTO WHAT DATA CENTERS CAN DO IF IF IT'S OKAY. IN A RECENT JUST KIND OF INVESTIGATION ON THIS, AS I WAS DOING SOME THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THIS WAS TO AFFECT THE ONE THAT WAS ON CAMPGROUND ROAD, IT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT WHAT GAINS COULD COME FROM FROM THE, THE, THE TAX REVENUE THAT THIS WAS GENERATING. WHEN THE CAMPGROUND ROAD ONE IS COMPLETE, IT WILL IT IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE $11.8 MILLION JUST FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ANNUALLY IN TAX REVENUE, WHICH WILL ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF. THAT'S THE PRP FIRE DEPARTMENT, CORRECT? YEAH, WHICH COVERS QUITE A BIT OF GROUND, WHICH BASICALLY ADDS ADDITIONAL STAFF PER DAY PER SHIFT. ONE ADDITIONAL BATTALION CHIEF, TWO ADDITIONAL FIRE WITH FOUR FOR TWO ADDITIONAL FIRE APPARATUSES WITH FOUR STAFF PER APPARATUS, ONE HEAVY RESCUE COMPANY WITH FOUR MEMBERS, ONE BATTALION CHIEF FOR EMS SERVICES, THREE ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES WITH TWO MEMBERS PER AMBULANCE. THIS WOULD ADD 20 MEMBERS PER DAY PER SHIFT. SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND, I THINK THIS IS I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE IMPACT. IT HELPS RESPONSE TIMES. IT HELPS EMS CALLS. THIS IS THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE NET POSITIVE FOR FOR THE CAMPGROUND ROAD DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THAT'S ALREADY IN AN INDUSTRIAL WAY. SO TAKING THESE NUMBERS IS WHAT I'M SAYING IN PERSPECTIVE. IF THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL ONE ADDED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY, WHAT CAN THAT DO FOR TAX REVENUE AND FOR YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND YOUR POLICE AND IN YOUR SCHOOL AND ALL THE TAXES WRAPPED INTO ONE, AND LOOKING AT THOSE NET POSITIVES AS AS WE ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. SURE. AND I THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT THAT'S THAT'S THERE, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVES. AND BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVES ASSOCIATED WITH THESE THINGS. AND SO I THINK AS A BODY, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO GOING FORWARD ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. WE'LL WEIGH THE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES AND WE'LL DETERMINE WHETHER WE THINK THAT THAT'S. BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE GUIDELINES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THAT WILL GIVE US KIND OF A ROADMAP FOR WHETHER THE THE PROPOSAL MEETS WHAT WE'VE SET OUT FOR, FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GUIDELINES. COUNCILMAN WINKLER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? YEAH. MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE FOR I DID. JUST AS WE WRAP UP THE DISCUSSION, I DID. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC IN THIS. I DID JUST WANT TO MAKE A PLUG FOR THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THE PLANNING AND DESIGN STAFF HAS SCHEDULED. YOU CAN FIND THOSE ONLINE. IF YOU LOOK UP DATA CENTERS ON THE LOUISVILLE METRO WEBSITE, THOSE START OCTOBER 28TH. THEY'VE GOT THEM THE 28TH AND 29TH, NOVEMBER 3RD AND NOVEMBER 4TH. AND THEN THERE'S AN ONLINE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 10TH. THOSE FIRST 4 OR 5 THAT I LISTED ARE 530 TO 730 AND ARE SPREAD ALL OVER. THERE'S FIVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE THE COUNTY. SO EAST, SOUTH, SOUTHWEST AND WEST AND WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE MEETINGS, LEARN MORE ABOUT DATA CENTERS, PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK. BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT WILL IMPACT EVERY MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR LETTING ME THAT PLUG. AND, COUNCILMAN WINKLER, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A. WELL, ACTUALLY, MAYBE YOU CAN CAN COUNCILMAN WINKLER AS A SPONSOR PROPOSED TO TABLE? I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE GOING FORWARD? COUNCILMAN WINKLER, WE NEED TO MAKE A FORMAL PROPOSAL TO TABLE THIS AND HAVE IT SITTING, KIND OF WAITING. SO DO WE. I WOULD LOVE IF A COMMITTEE MEMBER COULD MAKE THAT MOTION. [00:40:05] OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON. CAN WE GET A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ITEM, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY, SO THIS ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED AND WILL HAVE IT. HAVE IT SITTING SITTING THERE WAITING FOR IT IF, IF WE NEED IT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS HERE [2. O-249-25     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING AND FORM DISTRICT OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 4215 AND 4217 E. INDIAN TRAIL CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.1 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 25ZONE0013). Action Required By December 15, 2025 **Council Member Josie Raymond (D-10) can vote on this zoning change** Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ] IS. ITEM NUMBER TWO. OH, DASH 24925, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF FORUM DISTRICT OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 4215 AND 4217 EAST INDIAN TRAIL, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.1 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 25, ZONE 0013. CAN I GET A MOTION PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. JULIA, DO YOU WANT TO BRING US UP TO SPEED HERE? SURE. JULIA WILLIAMS, OFFICE OF PLANNING, THIS IS 25 ZONE 0060 FOR A TOTAL LOT. THIS IS LOCATED AT 4215 AND 4217 EAST INDIAN TRAIL IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TEN. THIS IS THE LOT. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING FOR THE SITE WHICH IS R4. THE CHANGE IN ZONING IS FROM R4 TO M2. ALSO A CHANGE IN FORM DISTRICT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUBURBAN WORKPLACE. THERE WAS ALSO A WAIVER AND A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH BINDING ELEMENTS. THE PROPOSALS FOR A TOTAL LOT. THERE WAS NO NEW CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDINGS PROPOSED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE'S AN EXISTING 3500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE USED FOR OFFICE AND STORAGE SPACE. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE OFF OF EAST INDIAN TRAIL AND THE EXISTING BUILDING. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY FACING SOUTH ALONG EAST INDIAN TRAIL, LEFT OF THE SUBJECT SITE. THIS IS ADJACENT PROPERTY FACING NORTH ALONG EAST ENGLISH TRAIL. RIGHT OF THE SUBJECT SITE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT SITE. THE APPLICANT HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON JANUARY 15TH, 2025 AND ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON AUGUST 13TH, 2025. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS ON JULY 10TH, 2025, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025, WHERE THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE BOTH THE CHANGE IN ZONING AND THE CHANGE IN FORM DISTRICT PASSING BY A VOTE OF 6 TO 1. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. JULIA. THIS IS IN COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND'S DISTRICT AND WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM FROM HER LA SAYING THAT COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE DENIAL OF THE. OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING. SO THIS ISN'T COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND'S DISTRICT. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO DENY THE CHANGE IN IN IN IN THIS IN ZONING. AND COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND SUPPORTS THE DENIAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ANYBODY ANY I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THE QUEUE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN BATSON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR JULIA. JULIA AND AND THIS DENIAL. WHAT HAPPENS ARE THESE ARE THIS IS THIS TOW LOT OR WHOEVER IS APPLIED. I GUESS THEY'RE OPERATING ILLEGALLY UNDER A BUSINESS STATUTE TO OPERATE A TOW LOT THERE. ARE THEY BEING CITED? ARE THEY BEING HOW IS THE REMOVAL OF THAT EXISTING BUSINESS GOING TO OCCUR? AND IN WHAT FACET WILL THAT HAPPEN? DO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS ON THAT. THEY WILL HAVE TO CEASE OPERATION OF A TOW LOT AND NOT USE THE LOT FOR ANY KIND OF USE OTHER THAN R4, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM THAT'S IN FRONT OF US? SINCE MY MIC WAS OFF LAST TIME, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN PARISH? NO, I THINK COUNCILMAN SEAN COVERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD. BUT IF COUNCILWOMAN RAYMOND IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THEN THERE'S [00:45:07] MORE. MAYBE THERE'S MORE TO IT THAT I DON'T SEE. BUT NO OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING ROLL CALL VOTE CHERYL SHELBY. AND JUST SO JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, A YES VOTE SUPPORTS THE DENIAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL. CORRECT. TRAVIS. JUST RIGHT. SO AND I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY, BUT A YES SUPPORTS THE DENIAL. COMMITTEE MEMBER PARISH. RIGHT. YES. CHAIR. YOU HAVE SIX YES VOTES. OKAY. SO WITH SIX YES VOTES, THIS, THIS THE THIS THE DENIAL HAS BEEN APPROVED. IT WILL BE FORWARDED TO OLD BUSINESS ON THE NEXT METRO COUNCIL AGENDA. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 3023225. AN ORDINANCE [3. O-232-25     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7810 ST ANDREWS CHURCH ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY .38 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 25ZONE0060).   10/7/25  Planning and Zoning Committee  Tabled Action Required By December 3, 2025 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ] RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7810 SAINT ANDREWS CHURCH ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.38 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 25, ZONE 00600. CAN I GET A MOTION PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. JULIA, I PRESENTED THIS ONE LAST TIME. CAN YOU GIVE US A 32ND JUST REMINDER AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE? SURE. SO THIS ONE WAS FOR AUTO SALES ALONG SAINT ANDREWS CHURCH ROAD. AND IT HAD ONE NO VOTE. EVERYONE ELSE VOTED YES AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, IF I MIGHT. YEAH. I WAS LIKE, WHERE DID THAT VOICE COME FROM? TRAVIS TRAVIS, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. YES. SO WE WE WE HAD THERE WAS SOME ONGOING CONVERSATION HERE. SO YES, THERE WAS SOME REQUEST FOR BINDING ELEMENTS. GREAT. THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY BOTH THE COUNCIL OFFICE AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE. I WASN'T SURE IF COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY, BUT THAT AMENDMENT IS ON THE SYSTEM AT HIS REQUEST. THERE ARE THREE NEW BINDING ELEMENTS, ONE WHICH DEALS WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH WOULD BE FROM 7 A.M. TO 9 P.M. THE SECOND BINDS OUT THREE USES NON CHARTERED FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, PACKAGE LIQUOR STORES AND SMOKING RETAIL STORES. AND THE THIRD IS THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT. SO OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. BUT I BELIEVE THE COUNCILMAN IS IN SUPPORT OF THAT AND WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THIS PROJECT WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL BINDING ELEMENTS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. TRAVIS. COUNCILMAN BATON, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION AND VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THIS. AND I SPOKE WITH COUNCILMAN JOSEPH AND HIS STAFF TO SUPPORT THIS DECISION. AND THANK YOU FOR TRAVIS TO GET THOSE BINDING ELEMENTS IN THERE. WE APPRECIATE IT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. I'LL SECOND COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. SECONDS. THAT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. SO NOW WE HAVE AN AMENDED ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AMENDED ORDINANCE? OKAY. IT REQUIRES A ROLL CALL VOTE. CHERYL, CAN YOU OPEN THE VOTING, PLEASE? OPEN. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. PARISH. RIGHT. YES. THANK YOU. CHAIR. OWEN, YOU HAVE SIX YES VOTES. THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU. CHERYL. WITH SIX YES VOTES, THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO OLD BUSINESS ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 5025025. AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE CLOSURE OF [5. O-250-25     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE CLOSURE OF UNIMPROVED RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED WITHIN THE PARCEL AT 401 E. GRAY STREET CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 10,360 SQUARE FEET AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 25-STRCLOSURE-0011). Action Required By April 16, 2026 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ] UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAY LOCATED WITHIN THE PARCEL AT 401 EAST GRAY STREET, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 10,360FT■!S, AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO. CASE NUMBER 25. STREET CLOSURE 0011. CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED INFORMATION FOR US ON THIS ONE. YES, THIS IS FOR THE SPRINGER ALLEY CLOSURE. IT IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR. IT'S A CLOSURE OF A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CLOSE ABOUT 525 LINEAR FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY. THE CLOSURE REQUESTED IS FOR A FUTURE HEALTH SCIENCE BUILDING IN THE LOOMED DISTRICT. SO THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE ALLEY TO BE CLOSED. THE ZONING AROUND [00:50:01] THE ALLEY. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S CLOSURE PLOT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE OWNS ALL THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE ALLEY. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE HELD A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2025. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2025, WHERE THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CLOSURE, PASSING BY A VOTE OF 9 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU JULIA, APPRECIATE THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM MY END. ONE, I'VE SPOKEN THIS IS IN COUNCILMAN HERNDON'S DISTRICT AND HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE STREET CLOSURE. SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I JUST YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME TALK SO OPTIMISTICALLY AND POSITIVELY ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE DOWNTOWN. PART OF THAT OPTIMISM THAT I HAVE IS BECAUSE OF BLOOMINGTON, AND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP SUPPORT ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE DEVELOPMENT IN LOOMED AND THE, YOU KNOW, RISING THE TIDE OF OF ALL BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE IN LOOMED. I'M ALL FOR. SO I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE SMALL STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. ANYBODY ELSE DO I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT OR QUESTION ABOUT THIS STREET CLOSURE? OKAY. WITHOUT THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. SO THIS DOES REQUIRE A ROLL CALL. VOTE CHAIR VOTING IS OPEN. COMMITTEE MEMBER PERISH. RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. VOTING'S CLOSING CHAIR. YOU HAVE SIX YES VOTES. WITH SIX YES VOTES. THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO OLD BUSINESS ON THE NEXT COUNCIL. WE CAN DO THIS ON. YEAH, LET'S, LET'S LET'S PUT IT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS, [6. O-252-25     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OPTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 917 S. CLAY STREET CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.10 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 25-CAT3-0011). Action Required By April 16, 2026 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ] ITEM NUMBER SIX. AND. IS 0252-25, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OPTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 917 SOUTH CLAY STREET, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.10 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 25, CAT 3-0011. CAN I GET A MOTION PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. JULIA. YES, THIS IS A CATEGORY THREE FOR 917 SOUTH CLAY STREET. IT'S LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR. THIS IS THE LOT AERIAL. THIS IS THE ZONING FOR THE SITE. IT'S IN THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OPTION TO CONSTRUCT THREE DWELLING UNITS IN THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS 0.1 ACRES. THEY'RE PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OPTION TO CONSTRUCT THREE DWELLING UNITS, A DUPLEX, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL UNIT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ON STREET PARKING PROVIDED ALONG SOUTH CLAY STREET, AND THERE'S ALSO TRANSIT TRANSIT SERVICE AVAILABLE NEAR THE SITE. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE BUILDING TOWARDS SOUTH CLAY IS TWO UNITS. AND THEN THERE'S ONE UNIT IN THE IN THE BACK. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY VACANT. ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THIS IS THE CORNER OF SOUTH CLAY AND EAST BRECKINRIDGE ALONG SOUTH CLAY STREET. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2025, WHERE THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OPTION IN THE UN ZONING DISTRICT, PASSING BY A VOTE OF 9 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? SO I GUESS MY QUESTION AND MAYBE THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION, BUT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OPTION WAS THAT WHAT IS THAT? WAS THAT THE ONLY OPTION THAT THEY HAD HERE IN ORDER TO DO WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, OR WAS THERE WERE THERE OTHER OPTIONS THAT NOT NOT I'M JUST I DON'T WE DON'T HEAR THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT OPTION AS OFTEN. SO CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR ON THAT PLEASE. SURE. SO THE UN ZONING DISTRICT, THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS ONE DWELLING UNIT. SO IF THEY IF THE APPLICANT WANTED MORE THAN ONE DWELLING UNIT, THERE'S AN OPTION TO GO THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OPTION TO GET MORE THAN ONE UNIT. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING OUTSIDE OF THE UN ZONING DISTRICT. SO THIS ALLOWS THEM TO BUILD MORE THAN ONE UNIT, AND ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING, THIS WAS THE OPTION THEY NEEDED TO TO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. YES. GREAT. THANK [00:55:02] YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. OKAY. WITHOUT FURTHER QUESTIONS THIS IS REQUIRED. THE ORDINANCE REQUIRING A ROLL CALL VOTE. CHERYL. VOTING IS OPEN. COUNCIL MEMBER PERISH, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. VOTING'S CLOSING CHAIR. YOU HAVE SIX YES VOTES. GREAT. SIX YES VOTES. THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO OLD BUSINESS ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA. OH, THIS CAN GO TO CONSENT AS WELL. EVEN THOUGH. OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. KEEP REMINDING ME I WILL GET ONE OF THESE DAYS. I'LL GET IT. YES. LET'S. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY, ANY CONCERNS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ONE ON CONSENT AS WELL. THANK YOU SONYA. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM IN [7. R-120-25     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $500,000.00 FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS GRANT PROGRAM FOR PHASE III OF THE QUINN CHAPEL AME CHURCH STABILIZATION PROJECT TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF PLANNING. Action Required By April 16, 2026 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ] FRONT OF US IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THIS IS R-12025. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $500,000 FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS GRANT PROGRAM FOR PHASE THREE OF THE QUINN CHAPEL AME CHURCH STABILIZATION PROJECT, TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF PLANNING. CAN I GET A MOTION PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED, A NEW PERSON HAS SHOWN UP IN THE CHAIR AND IT IS SAVANNAH. SAVANNAH, CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THIS RESOLUTION, PLEASE? I GOT TURNED OFF. JULIA. TURN ME OFF. ABSOLUTELY. SO, SAVANNAH, OUR OFFICE OF PLANNING, THIS IS A PHASE THREE OF STABILIZATION WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING ON THE HISTORIC QUINN CHAPEL AME CHURCH, WHICH IS AT THE CORNER OF NINTH AND CHESTNUT IN THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON THE BUILDING SINCE 2017. IS PROBABLY WHEN WE STARTED, AND IT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE YMCA, AND WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE ARE HELPING THEM WITH THE STABILIZATION THROUGH THESE GRANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. SO THIS IS JUST AN ADDITIONAL PHASE OF WORK WITH AN END GOAL OF DOING A SOLICITATION OF INTEREST ON THE BUILDING, GETTING A DEVELOPER IN THERE TO FULLY FINISH WITH AN ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECT FOR THAT BUILDING AND GETTING IT ON THE MARKET SO THAT IT'S A BUILDING THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN. SO IT'S TRUE THAT WITH ALL FEDERAL MONEY, THE IN ORDER FOR THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT IT, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING IN FRONT OF US IN ORDER TO APPROVE. APPROVE IT. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ONE, COUNCILMAN BRATCHER? JUST ONE TECHNICAL GEEK QUESTION. DOES THIS VOTE TODAY? IT GOES TO THE FULL METRO COUNCIL TO WRITE. DOES IT CAN IT GO ON CONSENT CALENDAR? I'M NOT SURE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT DOES GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THEN ARE WE APPROVING THAT HE ACCEPT IT AND SPEND IT OR JUST ACCEPT IT? I MEAN, IF IF WE ACCEPT THE FUNDS THEN GENERALLY WE DO SPEND THE FUNDS. YEAH, WE WERE AWARDED THOSE FUNDS BY THE PARK SERVICE. SO THE FUNDS WERE AWARDED, AWARDED FOR A VERY SPECIFIC PROBABLY A SCOPE OF WORK. RIGHT. AND SO I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT. THERE'S A SCOPE OF WORK PROBABLY ATTACHED TO THOSE FUNDS. AND SO THEY HAVE TO BE SPENT ON THAT SCOPE OF WORK. COULD HE SPEND IT ON SOMETHING ELSE OR WOULD IT GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS? I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE. THAT'S WHY. SO THIS GRANT SPECIFICALLY, IF WE DID NOT SPEND IT ON THIS SCOPE OF WORK, WE WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO JUST GIVE IT BACK TO THE PARK SERVICE. THANK YOU. OKAY, WITHOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THIS IS A RESOLUTION. SO WE CAN DO A VOICE VOTE ON THIS ONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. AS LONG AS IT'S OKAY WITH YOU. COUNCILMAN BRATCHER, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO FORWARD IT TO CONSENT. UNLESS YOU THINK WE SHOULD. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE THIS TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ALRIGHT. THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS WE'VE GOT BILL BELL FROM THE DEPARTMENT [1. ID 25-0643     STATUS OF ROAD AND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN METRO LOUISVILLE – Bill Bell and Mike King, Public Works, Departmement of Transportation] OF TRANSPORTATION, MIKE KING FROM DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS WELL. I HAD ASKED THEM TO DO. IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A PORTFOLIO, IT'S NOT AS MANY PROJECTS. BUT AGAIN, JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON SOME INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF METRO PUBLIC WORKS AND AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. SO WE CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA AS WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE SURE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS IS SUPPORTIVE ENOUGH OF OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHERE SOME OF THESE IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS STAND AND WHAT THEIR STATUS IS, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOURS. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MIKE KING, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, LOUISVILLE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AS THE CHAIR JUST MENTIONED, WE CAN KIND OF CAME AT THE REQUEST TO SEE TRANSPORTATION RELATED PROJECTS AS THEY AFFECT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS PROBABLY MOST PERTINENT TO THIS COMMITTEE. AND I THINK THE CHAIR HAD ASKED WHEN KYTC WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TO EMAIL THOSE REQUESTS OVER TO US AHEAD OF TIME. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY REQUESTS FROM ANYONE, SO WE [01:00:01] THOUGHT IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, WE COULD GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THEN OPEN IT UP. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THERE ARE A TON OF PROJECTS. SO FOR US TO PRIORITIZE, HEY, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE THINK YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW ABOUT. WE WOULD PREFER TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL THE ONES THAT YOU WANT UPDATES ON. WE'VE ALSO BEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS DOING MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL PEOPLE, SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A PRETTY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON PROJECTS, BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ONES WE'D BE WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS TODAY, WE CAN GET THEM TO YOU PRETTY QUICKLY. IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD, THAT'D BE FINE. THANK YOU. SO KIND OF JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THE REASON WE PUT THIS TOGETHER IS SEVERAL FOLD, BUT THE MAIN ONE IS TRANSPORTATION RELATED EFFORTS WERE HAPPENING IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AS A RESULT, IT WAS FRAGMENTED. THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT VISIONS OF HOW PROJECTS WERE GOING FORTH AS PROJECTS WOULD MOVE FROM PLANNING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. THE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WOULD GET LOST. AND THERE WASN'T JUST KIND OF A HOLISTIC, UNIFIED APPROACH FOR ALL OF IT. SO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION VERY EFFECTIVELY BROUGHT TOGETHER SEVERAL DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT WERE DOING TRANSPORTATION RELATED PROJECTS AND PUT IT ALL UNDER ONE ROOF TO SORT OF EXPEDITE SOME OF OUR EFFORTS. THERE REALLY SORT OF THREE LEGS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S THE PLANNING ARM, WHICH IS WHAT I OVERSEE, THAT DEALS WITH ALL OF OUR LOCALLY FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS. SO WE DO THE PROGRAMING FROM THE BEGINNING ON GRANT FUNDING, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH QULIPTA OR COMPETITIVE GRANTS THAT WE GO AFTER. IN ADDITION, IT CONTAINS THINGS LIKE OUR OUR BIKE AND PED PLANNING, VISION ZERO EFFORTS, COMPLETE STREETS COALITION, THE LOUISVILLE LOOP, AND THEN ONE NEW ADDITION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGH THAT IS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. SO TRANSPORTATION PLANNING WAS ALWAYS PART OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, BUT IT WAS HOUSED WITHIN PLANNING OFFICE OF PLANNING. NOW THAT HAS MOVED OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO SORT OF STREAMLINE THAT IN CASE THERE ARE ALREADY ONGOING EFFORTS THAT IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WE'RE DOING A PROJECT HERE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. WE SAY, HEY, WE NEED THIS TO BE BUILT IN. THEY DO THAT AND THEN IT COMES BACK THAT, OH, PUBLIC WORKS AT THE TIME WAS DOING A DIFFERENT PROJECT. SO STREAMLINE ALL OF THAT. IN ADDITION, THERE'S ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION. MIKE. SORRY, WHEN DID WHEN DID THAT CHANGE TAKE PLACE? BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO JULY 1ST. SO IT'S A BRAND NEW DEPARTMENT OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT'S WHEN IT MADE A CHANGE ON PAPER. AND OFFICIALLY WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT LOGISTICS OF GETTING EVERYBODY INTO THE SAME LOCATION. THE OTHER TWO LEGS ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY. THAT'S OVERSEEN BY NICK VAIL. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR ROADS, OUR SIGNS AND MARKINGS, OUR SIGNAL TIMING, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT COME WITH THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST IMPORTANT IS MAINTENANCE, WHICH DEALS WITH THE UPKEEP OF OUR ROADS, POTHOLES, TRIMMINGS ON ROADWAYS, SNOW REMOVAL, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK BECAUSE I BET YOU GUYS KNOW A LOT OF THIS. THE ONE OF THE REAL KEYS FOR US THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE INTO THIS IS IS TO SORT OF FORMALIZE REALLY THE WAY TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION EFFORTS HAPPEN WITHIN THE CITY. AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S VERY FRAGMENTED. IT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THIS ALLOWS US TO TO KIND OF BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER THROUGH SORT OF MULTI YEAR PLANNING PROCESS, THAT WE CAN MORE CLEARLY TRACK THOSE PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, PUT KPIS BEHIND THOSE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS. ADDITIONALLY, ALLOWS US BETTER INTAKE WITH OURSELVES INCLUDED AS COUNCIL REACHES OUT FOR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR PROCESS ON HOW THAT HAPPENS, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY ALLOWS US TO MODERNIZE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING A LOT, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE USING OUTDATED SYSTEMS, WHETHER THEY BE EXCEL SPREADSHEETS OR STATIC MAPS. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO NOW IS WE'RE GOING TO USE AI AND SOME OTHER TOOLS TO TO GENERATE AND KEEP UP TO DATE THE INFORMATION ON PROJECTS AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THEM. THAT WAS KIND OF THE THE QUICK OVERVIEW THAT I HAD. I HAD A FEW OTHER KIND OF TRANSPORTATION WINS, BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF COMPLETED PROJECTS. LIKE I SAID AT THIS POINT. YEAH. BILL BELL, DIRECTOR OF DOT, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES MENTIONED AI. WE'VE JUST STARTED USING OPEN GOV THAT'S BEEN LAUNCHED. SO OPEN GOV WILL HELP US BE MORE STRATEGIC ON OUR PAVING PLANS AND EVENTUALLY SIDEWALKS. WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF DISTRICTS, SIDEWALKS ARE A MAJOR ISSUE. THERE'S A MAJOR BACKLOG. THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK TO GO AROUND FOR THE NEXT THE NEXT TEN YEARS ON SIDEWALKS. SO AND SO. WE'RE WE'RE CATCHING UP ON RIGHT NOW. THE CIF FUNDED SIDEWALK PROJECTS. AND THEN. THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM BECAUSE WE THINK ABOUT WE WE GET ABOUT WHAT, FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO BUILD SIDEWALKS. SO WE'VE WORKED WITH PROCUREMENT LATELY AND WE'RE ABLE TO FLEX A LITTLE BIT ON WHO WE CAN USE, [01:05:07] ESPECIALLY FOR THE CIF FUNDED SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MAKING SOME HEADWAY. WE CAN ALSO USE SOME OTHER VENDORS THAT ALSO BID, BUT THEY WEREN'T THE TOP TWO. BUT IF IF THE OTHER CONTRACTORS CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE CAN GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND AND USE OTHER VENDORS, OTHER CONTRACTORS AND THEN JUST BE PROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE REACTIVE UNLESS WE HAVE TO. WE HAD A FLOODING FLASH FLOODING THE OTHER DAY LAST WEEK. AND SO WE HAD TO BE REACTIVE THAT OBVIOUSLY. SO WE HAVE TO BE QUICK. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KYTC OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, ACTUALLY LAST FEW MONTHS, BUT WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN MATT BULLOCK WAS HERE, THAT COMMUNICATION NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. JUST LIKE SAFETY, I THINK COMMUNICATION CAN ALWAYS BE IMPROVED. AND SO WE MET WITH COMMUNICATION CONSULTANTS TODAY. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME MESSAGES BACK TO KYTC. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PARTNER OF KYTC. WE WANT TO BE A MORE INFORMED PARTNER SO WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO BLAST OUT THEIR INFORMATION MEDIA WISE, BUT WE WANT TO BE ON AT THE TABLE WHEN THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE RIGHT BEFORE THOSE PROJECTS, OR RIGHT WHEN THOSE PROJECTS ARE LET OR BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS. GREAT. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. COUNCILMAN BACON. THANK YOU. CHAIR. BILL. MIKE, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'LL GIVE YOU KUDOS ONTO THE THE PUBLIC WORKS MEETINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING ON A REGULAR BASIS. OBVIOUSLY START OFF A LITTLE ROCKY, BUT I THINK WE FOUND OUR GROUND. AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR MY DISTRICT IN ITSELF AND, AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, I THINK WE WOULD AGREE THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE, ARE BEING HANDLED AND ADDRESSED IN A, IN A IN A GREAT MANNER IN THE WAY OF COMMUNICATION, WHICH HAS BEEN LACKLUSTER OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THOUGH. I WANT TO TOUCH ON YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT IN THE IN THE CONTRACTOR SITUATION FOR SIDEWALKS, BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? YOU SAID THERE'S ENOUGH WORK FOR TEN YEARS, RIGHT? WE HAVE ENOUGH CONTRACTORS, I GUESS, IN THE CITY THAT COULD PROBABLY HANDLE SOME OF THOSE JOBS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO TO ATTRACT THOSE CONTRACTORS AND GET SOME OF THE BEST COMPETITIVE RATES SO WE CAN GET TO TO EXPEDITE THESE JOBS. AND MAYBE SHRINKING THAT TO FIVE YEARS. IS THAT IS THAT ON THE RADAR? WHAT'S THE PROCUREMENT SITUATION THERE AND HOW DOES THAT HANDLE? BECAUSE IN A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH FORMER DIRECTOR KERN, I WAS, I GUESS, TOLD IN IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, WE ONLY HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO USE THAT ONE CONTRACTOR, AND THAT'S WHO WE'RE USING. SO SO HELP ME SHINE SOME LIGHT ON THAT. AND THEN I WANT TO SHINE SOME LIGHT ON ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT SIDEWALKS AS WELL. IN THE MEETING WE JUST HAD, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, I HEARD SOMEONE SAY IT. IT KIND OF TOOK ME BY SURPRISE THAT WE HAVE SIDEWALK CONTRACTORS THAT WE CONTRACT WITH, BUT THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO DO THE WORK BECAUSE THE MARGINS ARE NOT THERE FOR THEM. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS. IF YOU'RE CONTRACTED AND WE SIGNED A DEAL WITH YOU, DO THE JOB. CAN YOU SHINE SOME LIGHT THERE FOR ME? WELL, I THINK I CAN ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS IN ONE COMMENT. THIS CONTRACT, THESE CONTRACTS ARE GOING TO BE REBID NEXT YEAR. AND SO ALL THAT IS BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR AND YOU'RE DENYING WORK, THAT'S A PROBLEM. THE FACT THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS, THAT'S AN ISSUE. SO SO YES, THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT BID. MR. CHAIR, CAN I FOLLOW UP, PLEASE? MR. BELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'VE TALKED TO MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS IN THE PAST AS I'VE TRIED TO WORK ON THIS PROCUREMENT SITUATION. OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS IS PRETTY STRENUOUS AND TEDIOUS. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO ATTRACT CONTRACTORS IN IN JEFFERSON COUNTY OR THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO A 40 PAGE PROCUREMENT BID? WELL, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT MORE THAN JUST COST, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S HOW WE WE GOT WE TOOK THE LOWEST BID FROM THE CONTRACTOR THAT HAS DENIED SOME WORK BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T MAKING ENOUGH MARGIN. AND SO IT HAS TO BE MORE. THERE HAS TO BE A SCORING SYSTEM IN PLACE, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX CONTRACTORS IN MY OPINION. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE A [01:10:07] LITTLE BIT WE ARE LIMITED ON BUDGET. SO WE HAVE LET'S SAY $50 MILLION WORTH OF POTENTIAL SIDE WORK OR SIDEWALK WORK. AND WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 2 MILLION PER YEAR. RIGHT. AND WE'VE GOT TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHO GETS THE 2 MILLION AND HOW THAT'S ALLOCATED. BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CIF FUNDED. RIGHT. ONE FINAL THING ON KYTC, YOU ASKED MIKE, YOU YOU YOU STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH NO REQUESTS HAVE COME IN. DO YOU WANT REQUESTS ON THE CONCERNS BASED ON THE LOCAL AND STATE ROADS OR JUST THE STATE ROADS OR OR BOTH? OR HOW HOW DO YOU WANT US TO DO THAT? BECAUSE I, I'M SURE I CAN PUT A LAUNDRY LIST OF, OF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE TOGETHER. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M DOING IT IN THE PROPER WAY, AND THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION TO YOU SO WE CAN BE GOOD PARTNERS. SO AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK FOR TODAY, THE IDEA WAS IN RELATION TO DEVELOPMENT WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING. IF THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT METRO IS CURRENTLY MANAGING SO PREDOMINANTLY ON OUR LOCAL ROADS, THAT WE COULD PROVIDE UPDATES ON THE STATUS OF THOSE PROJECTS, OR UNFORTUNATELY, IN SOME INSTANCES, THE LACK THEREOF. IF IT'S NOT A PROJECT THAT'S MOVING FORWARD YET AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP. BUT ULTIMATELY THE STATE DOES CONTROL THOSE. BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING AHOLD OF THE STATE OR GETTING UPDATES THROUGH THEM, WE'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH A LOT OF FOLKS OVER THERE THAT WE CAN GET THOSE FOR YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. COUNCILMAN HUDSON. THANK YOU. CHAIR. I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK WHEN, WITH YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT YOU DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSES. SO I'M GOING TO PUT THAT ON ME THAT I, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE REQUEST, BUT I HAVE ONE NOW. AND IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO RESPOND TO IT, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'M HITTING YOU BLIND WITH IT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW GRANULAR YOU WANT TO GET IN YOUR PROJECTS, BUT THE CEDAR CREEK CONNECTOR BETWEEN CEDAR CREEK ROAD AND BEULAH CHURCH ROAD, I WOULD LOVE TO GET A WEEKLY UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THAT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN SHARE NOW ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT PROJECT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WHERE YOU ARE 14 DAYS FROM THE THAT KROGER OPENING. YEAH. AND CLOSE TO A ROAD. THE LAST I HEARD WAS THERE WAS ONE REMAINING RIGHT OF WAY PARCEL THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEN WE COULD LET THAT OUT AND GET THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS STARTED ON THERE. I CAN GIVE YOU A MORE DETAILED UPDATE ON THAT ONE, BUT THAT WAS THE LAST UPDATE THAT I HEARD AND WE CAN GIVE YOU. THERE HAS BEEN AN UPDATE SINCE THEN. WE ALL FORWARDED THAT ONE THE HOLD OUT OF THAT PROJECT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY, I THINK WE WE WE GOT HALFWAY WE OFF BOARDED THAT PART OF IT, BUT WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD. RIGHT. MAYBE WE HAVE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY SHOVELS ON THE GROUND. WE CAN GET YOU AN UPDATE AND WE'LL SEND IT OVER TO YOUR OFFICE AND THEN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT PROCESS. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN BRATCHER. BROADLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE HAVE THESE KIND OF BIG, LARGE SCALE PROJECTS, IS IS LAND ACQUISITION THE BIGGEST STICKING POINT? AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN AND I KNOW I'VE HEARD TWO THINGS. I'VE HEARD THAT WE DO A BETTER JOB OF OF THAT AND ARE MORE DIRECT OR AGGRESSIVE ABOUT THAT THAN THE STATE IS. I'VE HEARD THAT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IS THAT THE BIGGEST HOLDUP ON THESE PROJECTS GENERALLY IS WHEN WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE. AND IF THAT IS THE BIGGEST HOLDUP, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO HELP IN THAT REGARD? I THINK WE ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN THE STATE ON RIGHT OF WAY PURCHASES. JUST ONE EXAMPLE. US 42 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WIDENING TO ADD A TURNING LANE THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR OVER TEN YEARS BECAUSE I'VE ASKED MATT BULLOCK EVERY YEAR ABOUT THAT. AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE'S THAT ONE HOLDOUT. AND SO YOU KNOW IT. I DON'T I DON'T SEE US BEING AFRAID TO TO GO TO GET THAT REMEDIATION. AND USUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO GET WHAT THE APPRAISAL IS. SO AND I WOULD JUST BUILD A LITTLE BIT OFF WHAT DIRECTOR BELL SAID OFTENTIMES RIGHT AWAY IS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING. NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A ROAD COME THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY UNLESS THEY'RE GETTING PAID A GAZILLION DOLLARS FOR IT, BUT OTHER TIMES IT CAN BE UTILITIES. UTILITIES CAN BE A BIG CHALLENGE AS WELL WITH UTILITY RELOCATION. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WE HAVE THE MOST CHALLENGE WITH IS THE FUNDING SOURCE. IF A PROJECT'S LOCALLY FUNDED, IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR US TO MOVE THAT QUICKLY. IF IT'S FEDERALLY FUNDED, THEN WE HAVE TO FOLLOW SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, SPECIFIC PROCESSES, NEPA BEING THE BIGGEST ONE. SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT CAN REALLY SLOW IT DOWN. GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES, I WOULD SAY RIGHT AWAY IS [01:15:03] PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE TIMELY COMPONENTS TO IT, BUT IT CAN VARY BASED ON THE PROJECT. SO SO IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO CONTROL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND NOT THAT WE HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OVER UTILITY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ANYTHING THAT THIS BODY CAN DO TO TRY TO HELP. WITH THAT SITUATION AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, THE UTILITIES AND TRYING TO GET THOSE MOVED OR HOWEVER, THEN I'M SURE THAT ALL OF US ARE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ISSUES OR ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS THINK THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH THAT SITUATION, WE'RE I THINK WE'RE HERE TO TO HELP. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE WE'VE HIRED A UTILITY COORDINATOR, WHICH HAS HELPED EXPEDITE THAT TREMENDOUSLY. BUT WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO NEW IDEAS ON ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITE PROCESSES. GREAT. COUNCILMAN BRATCHER, DO YOU ARE YOU GUYS YOU DO THE SPEED HUMPS? WE DO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU TWO AT THE TABLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THIS. BUT EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON METRO COUNCIL, I'VE BEEN HEARING HORROR STORIES FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT IT JUST TAKES SO LONG TO GET ANYTHING DONE. AND THEN, LIKE COUNCILMAN BASTIAN IS SAYING, THERE'S ONLY TWO GROUPS, TWO CONTRACTORS FOR SIDEWALKS. I GOT A LADY JUST MAD AS HECK ABOUT SPEED HUMPS JUST NOT BEING BUILT. AND I'M SORRY. AND I MEAN, WHAT IS THE WHOLE. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE LAYING A SPEED HUMP WOULD NOT BE THAT BIG OF A DELAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. TELL ME WHAT IT IS. I'VE HEARD RUMORS, BUT WHAT? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING ENOUGH CONTRACTORS AND NOT GETTING THINGS DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER? IS IS IT JUST IT'S IN THE WEEDS AND WE'LL NEVER FIGURE IT OUT OR WHAT? WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE 1 OR 2 ISSUES GOING ON? BECAUSE I NEVER HEAR THAT QUESTION ANSWERED. YEAH, WE WE DID MEET RECENTLY WITH COUNCILWOMAN BASS ABOUT KIND OF REDOING THINGS, STREAMLINING THINGS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO GET FIVE SIGNATURES. THEN YOU HAVE TO GET THE VOTES OF THE OF THE STREET OR EVERY, EVERY RESIDENT ON THAT STREET. AND SO THERE IS A IT'S A PROCESS. IT TAKES OVER SIX MONTHS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO STUDIES. WE HAVE ONE PERSON DOING IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT STAFFED IN THAT AREA. SO SO WE YEAH, WE COULD USE MORE PEOPLE TO STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS AS WELL. RIGHT NOW KAYLA'S GOT SHE HAS MORE WORK THAN SHE CAN GET DONE IN 30 DAYS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, SHE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A BACKLOG BECAUSE SHE'S GETTING TOO MANY REQUESTS TO HANDLE IN ONE MONTH. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. I KNOW THEY'VE JUST SHE'S HIRED AN ASSISTANT AND THAT'S THAT PERSON'S GOING TO COME ON BOARD PRETTY SOON. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HELP WITH SOME OF THAT BACKLOG. BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THE TESTING OR THE TRAFFIC STUDIES ON THESE STREETS. AND SOMETIMES THEY FAIL. AND SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A A SPEED HUMP GOING IN WHERE WHERE THAT WHERE THAT FAILS. SO AND YOU KNOW, MR. BELL, I KNOW THAT THE PROCESS OF GETTING TO THE POINT OF BUILDING IS BUT EVEN AFTER THAT'S BEEN SIGNED OFF, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME. IS IT ARE THERE ENOUGH CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK, OR ARE THEY JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN BASTIAN SAID, THEY GOT TO FILL OUT A APPLICATION AND BUT ANYWAY, I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES AT CITY HALL. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN BARDSTOWN ROAD, THAT'S A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE INTERSECTION. IT'S JUST DESIGNED BAD. AND I I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ROBIN INGLE AND JIMMY HIGDON WAS THE STATE SENATOR AND LIKE TWO GOVERNORS SERIOUSLY AND THE MAYOR. AND IT'S JUST LIKE THE IT STARTED OUT TEN YEARS AGO. IT HALF $1 MILLION COULD DO THE WHOLE THING. AND NOBODY GOT AROUND TO DOING IT. AND IT'S A METRO PROJECT. BUT THE STATE WAS EVEN GOING TO FUND IT AT ONE TIME. I BETTER SLOW DOWN FOR MYSELF GOING. BUT DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HELEN AND BARDSTOWN ROAD? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE NEAR TEN YEARS WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE? I BELIEVE SO THERE IS A PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR. I THINK IT'S AN OLD WALGREENS SITE RIGHT THERE. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO WHERE THE WALGREENS SITE IS, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO COME IN THERE. WE'VE SHOWN THEM THE DESIGN. THEY'RE GOING TO HELP FUND SOME OF THAT. WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH, IT'LL BE FAR LESS THAN TEN YEARS I'M SURE. WHAT'S THAT CROSS ROOM. HELEN? ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY. OH, COUNCILWOMAN RUBY, ONE QUICK QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN BRATCHER. SO HOW MANY CONTRACTORS DO WE HAVE TO DO SPEED HUMPS? I THINK IT'S [01:20:06] YEAH, IT'S PART OF THE A LINE ITEM IN THE PAVING CONTRACTS. SO I BELIEVE THERE'S THERE'S AT LEAST TWO. AND SO ONE THING THAT JENNIFER KERN, DIRECTOR KERN DID BEFORE SHE LEFT, WAS PROPOSE A SPECIFIC RFP FOR ANY TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES SUCH AS SPEED HUMPS, CRASH CUSHIONS, SPEED TABLES HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT THAT WE WANT TO LET IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS, WHERE IT JUST FOCUSES ON THOSE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE SPEED HUMPS ARE $4,200 PER SPEED HUMP. I THINK I I'M, I PREDICT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL QUOTES WE GET WILL BE HIGHER. I HOPE I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THAT OUT THERE IN AN RFP AND SEE WHAT WE GET. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. OH, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, RIGHT. YEAH I HAD A COMMENT. ONE, I THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND AND BREAKING DOWN A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION. AND I, I DID ASK FOR ANY UPDATES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE DISTRICT. WE HAVE SOME UNINCORPORATED PARTS THAT I'M STILL TRYING TO GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED AROUND. NOT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT WAS. IT'S MORE ABOUT LIGHTING OFF OF WHERE OREGON ON I HAVE A STREETS THAT HAVE THAT ARE IN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT, AND SOME THAT ARE UNINCORPORATED AND THERE'S A LIGHTING ISSUE, BUT WE'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD ON COMMUNICATIONS AROUND THE SPEED HUMPS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IN THE DISTRICT, IF YOU CAN SEND ME ANY UPDATES THAT I CAN SHARE IN OUR NEWSLETTER TO LET THE THE DISTRICT PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT I DIDN'T HAVE MY LAUNDRY LIST ISN'T FOR YOU ALL, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE FOLLOW UP YOU BROUGHT BACK HERE TODAY. WELL, ANY ANY LIGHTING ISSUES, PLEASE REPORT THAT TO 311 OR TO STACY. STACY. KEITH. OKAY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE FIXED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, OKAY? THEY IT DOESN'T HAVE A LIGHT NEAR ON THAT 22ND STREET CURVE AS IT APPROACHES DIXIE HIGHWAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LIGHT. AND THEY THEY'VE ASKED THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL PERSON TO INSTALL A LIGHT. I JUST I'VE NEVER DONE THAT AT THIS LEVEL. SO I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW TO GET A LIGHT OVER THERE TO BRIGHTEN IT UP OVER THERE. IT'S IT'S WHERE THAT CURVE IS ON 22ND, RIGHT AT RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO DIXIE. OKAY. COUNCILMAN PARISH. RIGHT. THERE'S A BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS AND THERE'S A USUALLY YOU HAVE TO SIGN LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHO IS IT WITH YOU GUYS THAT THAT CAN HELP HER WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS? DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHO THAT IS? OH IT'S COREY RATS COREY. SO YOU SHOULD REACH OUT TO COREY RATS AT PUBLIC WORKS AND SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS OKAY I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT. WITH NO MORE WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS IN FRONT OF US, WE ARE [Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.] ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.