Oct 16, 2025 Metro Council

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[Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance]

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THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61826 AND COUNCIL RULE 5AI GOT A MADAM

[Member Roll Call]

HERNDON. COUNCIL MEMBER. PURVIS. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. HENNINGER PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCRANEY HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WEBER PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. OWEN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. RAYMOND. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. COUNCIL MEMBER. OH, SORRY. SORRY, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER. JOSEPH HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SYME HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHAPPELL. COUNCIL MEMBER. READ. COUNCIL MEMBER. WINKLER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PARKER. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER. BENSON. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. RUBY HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BRATCHER. COUNCIL MEMBER. HUDSON COUNCIL MEMBER. WOOLRIDGE HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BACHON PRESIDENT. AKESSON. MADAM PRESIDENT PRO TEM HAWKINS. WE HAVE 23 AND A QUORUM. THANK YOU. PLEASE CALL THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT METRO COUNCIL MEMBER RAYMOND AND PRESIDENT ACKERSON HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. COLLEAGUE, LET'S TAKE A TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO RECOGNIZE OUR ESTEEMED GUESTS IN THE CHAMBERS. WELCOME.

FORMER CONGRESSMAN JOHN YARMUTH AND SENATOR GERALD NEAL. THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE OF LOUISVILLE AND THE COMMONWEALTH. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST TONIGHT. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU ALL COME UP HERE WITH WITH PRP FIRE DEPARTMENT. HEY, TONIGHT, I'M PROUD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. ALRIGHT. I'M GOING TO RELINQUISH THE CHAIR TO MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN ANTHONY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, TONIGHT I'M EVEN MORE PROUD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY

[Special Recognitions and Proclamations]

THEY SERVE THEIR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE DUTY CALLS FOR IT. BEYOND THE FIREHOUSE, PRP FIRE HAS GIVEN COUNTLESS HOURS AND SERVICE TO THE CRUSADE FOR CHILDREN, AND THEIR IMPACT CANNOT BE MEASURED IN DOLLARS ALONE. THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY ARE, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE THE PILLAR OF OUR SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY. I'M HONORED TO PRESENT THEM WITH A PROCLAMATION IN A MOMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE IN THE PRP FIRE DISTRICT TO SAY A FEW WORDS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, DEDICATION, AND ALL THE YEARS OF SERVICE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO STANDING HERE TONIGHT, I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL PROUD. I'M PROUD TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S HOME TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF PLEASURE RIDGE PARK FIRE DEPARTMENT, 75 YEARS. THINK ABOUT THAT. 75 YEARS OF ANSWERING CALLS AT ALL HOURS, RUNNING INTO SMOKE, FACING DANGER. MOST OF US CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. NOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, BUT BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO. THAT'S WHAT MAKES YOU HEROES.

THAT'S THE TRUTH. AND WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE ON THE WORST DAYS, AND YOU'VE GIVEN THEM HOPE.

YOU'VE HELD SCARED KIDS, COMFORTED FAMILIES, AND SHOWN UP IN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU WERE NEEDED MOST. YOU DON'T JUST WEAR A UNIFORM, YOU CARRY THE WEIGHT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES ON YOUR SHOULDER, AND SOMEHOW YOU DO IT WITH GRACE AND GRIT.

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SIR. DO YOU NOT COMING TO YOU? FAIR. IT IS FAIR. I GOT A FAIR DEAL. IS THAT IT? WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS. MADAM CLERK. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I AM RELINQUISHING THE CHAIR BACK TO PRESIDENT PRO TEM COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. SO NOTED. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH.

MADAM CLERK, ARE THERE ANY ADDRESSES TO COUNCIL? LET ME REMIND THOSE

[Addresses to the Council]

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I BRING YOU GREETINGS FROM THE KENTUCKY

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OKAY? AS YOU KNOW, LOUISVILLE IS FACING A SERIOUS CHALLENGE. FAMILIES ARE ASKING FOR REAL SOLUTIONS TO THE VIOLENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SPACES. BUT UNDER CURRENT LAW, THIS CITY'S HANDS ARE TIED. RIGHT NOW. NO CITY IN KENTUCKY, NOT EVEN LOUISVILLE, CAN PASS ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE SALE, POSSESSION, OR SAFE STORAGE OF FIREARMS. THAT MEANS WE CAN'T REQUIRE THE REPORTING OF STOLEN GUNS. REGULATE LOCAL FIREARM DEALERS, OR ADOPT MODEST SAFETY MEASURES THAT COULD SAVE LIVES. THIS RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS ABOUT RESTORING LOCAL FLEXIBILITY AND GIVING LOUISVILLE THE ABILITY TO PROTECT ITS RESIDENTS. STATE PREEMPTION OVER FIREARM ORDINANCES WAS MEANT TO CREATE CONSISTENCY ACROSS KENTUCKY, BUT IT'S NOW PREVENTING CITIES LIKE OURS FROM RESPONDING TO URBAN GUN VIOLENCE THAT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT SMALLER TOWNS FACE AFTER EVERY TRAGEDY, FROM DOWNTOWN OFFICES TO NEIGHBORHOODS, BUS STOPS, OUR RESIDENTS HAVE PLEADED, DO SOMETHING. THIS RESOLUTION CHALLENGES THE BARRIER THAT HAS KEPT LOCAL GOVERNMENT FROM ACTING. IT ASKS THE COMMONWEALTH TO RECOGNIZE THAT LOUISVILLE'S CHALLENGES ARE UNIQUE, AND THAT OUR CITY DESERVES THE FREEDOM TO PROTECT ITS OWN PEOPLE. SO UNDER RS 65 870, THE STATE HOLDS EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OVER FIREARM REGULATION. CITIES ARE EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN FROM ENACTING THE ENFORCING OR ENFORCING THEIR OWN ORDINANCES, EVEN NARROWLY FOCUSED ONES.

NORMALLY UNDER RS 82.08, TWO CITIES HAVE HAVE HAVE HOME RULE AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS LOCAL ISSUES LIKE ZONING, HOUSING AND SAFETY. BUT WHEN STATE LAW OCCUPIES THE FIELD, AS IT DOES WITH FIREARMS, THAT AUTHORITY DISAPPEARS. LOCAL OFFICIALS OFFICIALS ARE ASKED TO KEEP COMMUNITIES SAFE, BUT DENIED THE BASIC TOOLS TO DO SO. DATA FROM THE OFFICE OF SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS SHOWS SOMETHING REMARKABLE VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE 2021, GUN VIOLENCE RELATED HOMICIDES HAVE DROPPED 43%, AND OVERALL VIOLENT CRIMES 58%. THIS IS PROOF THAT WHEN LOCAL LEADERS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS ARE EMPOWERED TO ACT WITH PRECISION AND ACCOUNTABILITY, IT WORKS. BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. LOUISVILLE SHOULD BE EMPOWERED TO DO ALL THAT IT CAN TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY. THE PROCESS FORWARD IS TO SUPPORT A RESOLUTION SUCH AS THIS, AND WE WELCOME THAT AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. NOW CURTIS OWENS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SENATOR O'NEILL TOLD ME I WOULDN'T BE FIRST. HE HAD A TRICK UP HIS SLEEVE, BUT HE'S MY FRIEND, SO IT'S OKAY. OKAY. I THINK I'VE SPOKE TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU ALL HERE. IF NOT YOUR AIDES. BUT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. FOR NEARLY FOUR DECADES, THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE HAS INVESTED IN THE AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP FOR ITS RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THROUGH A TRUSTED AND PROVEN RESOURCE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. BUT NOW, WITH RECENT REMOVAL OF $3 MILLION OF FUNDING FROM THE BUDGET, THAT DREAM HAS BEEN PUT ON INDEFINITE HOLD FOR HUNDREDS OF HARD WORKING FAMILIES. LOUISVILLE'S DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WASN'T SOME TRENDY PILOT OR EXPERIMENTAL POLICY. IT WAS A LONG STANDING, DEPENDABLE COMMITMENT TO HELPING PEOPLE CROSS THE FINISH LINE IN HOME OWNERSHIP. THE CITY HELPED COVER THE UPFRONT COSTS THAT OFTEN PROVED TO BE INSURMOUNTABLE, ESPECIALLY IN HOUSING MARKET, WHERE PRICES HAVE STEADILY CLIMBED WHILE WAGES STAGNATE. THIS ISN'T A CHARITY, IT'S A SMART PUBLIC POLICY. THE CITY'S INVESTMENT PAID DIVIDENDS, SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS, STABLE SCHOOLS, HIGHER CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND INCREASED PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. FAMILIES WHO RECEIVED

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REMOVING DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FURTHER COMPOUNDS THESE INJUSTICES. IT'S BAFFLING AND FRANKLY INSULTING TO CALL THIS A FINANCIAL NECESSITY. WHEN OUR CITY CONTINUES TO FIND MILLIONS FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF TAX ABATEMENTS AND INITIATIVES THAT DO NOT DIRECTLY BENEFIT OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT. WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSISTENCY AND CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO ECONOMIC JUSTICE. BEHIND THIS BUDGET ARE REAL PEOPLE, REAL DREAMS NOW DEFERRED? FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, TEACHERS, NURSES, CITY WORKERS WHO HAD DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT, SAVE, PLAN AND TAKEN HOME OWNERSHIP COURSES. MANY WERE PRE-APPROVED UNDER CONTRACT AND EXPECTING TO CLOSE SOON. THIS ISN'T THEORETICAL.

THESE ARE FAMILIES IN EVERY DISTRICT OF LOUISVILLE. THEY ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR COWORKERS, YOUR CHURCH MEMBERS. THEY'RE THEIR FRUSTRATIONS ISN'T JUST ABOUT MONEY. IT'S ABOUT TURNING ITS BACK ON ITS PROMISE. THE MAYOR AND METRO COUNCIL HAVE THE POWER TO REVERSE THIS DECISION. THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN LOUDLY. WE URGE 2.9 2.5 MILLION DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IN THE MID-TERM BUDGET, SO THAT MANY FAMILIES DO NOT FALL BETWEEN THE CRACKS. AND I'LL SAY THIS SOME STATISTICS REAL QUICKLY SINCE I DO HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE, THOUGH, DON'T I KNOW? I'M SORRY. OH WELL, OKAY. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, THE SALES GENERATED FROM METRO ASSISTANCE HAS BEEN $20 MILLION. SALES GENERATED IN ONE YEAR, 254 PEOPLE WERE HELPED WITH THIS PROGRAM. IN ONE YEAR, 130 CHILDREN MOVED INTO STABLE HOUSING IN ONE YEAR.

BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM, AND WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LET THIS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. I'VE BEEN A REALTOR FOR 32 YEARS. WE'VE HAD THE PROGRAM THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, PROBABLY 38 YEARS, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, ELENA NEWMAN. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELENA, AND I'M PROUD TO BE BORN AND RAISED RIGHT HERE IN LOUISVILLE. THIS IS HOME. AND LIKE MANY OF YOU, I WANT TO SEE IT THRIVE. I KNOW THAT TONIGHT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON A RESOLUTION ABOUT COMMON SENSE GUN LEGISLATION. I'M UNSURE WHERE MANY OF YOU MAY FALL IN REGARDS TO THIS RESOLUTION AND GUN LEGISLATION IN GENERAL, BUT I STAND HERE ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE GIVE IT CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AS OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS SOMETHING. AS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO MANAGE VIOLENCE ACROSS THE CITY. MY FIRST ENCOUNTER OF GUN VIOLENCE WAS IN WHEN I WAS IN MY LATE TEENS, RUNNING FROM SHOTS THAT I'D HEARD BEEN FIRED. HOWEVER, FOR MY SEVEN YEAR OLD, HER FIRST ENCOUNTER WAS AT THE AGE OF FOUR, WHEN SHOTS RANG OUT DURING RECESS BY HER SCHOOL FROM HER SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. I HELD MY BABY A LITTLE TIGHTER THAT NIGHT BECAUSE HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN TO A FOUR YEAR OLD RECESS HAD TO END EARLY BECAUSE OF GUNFIRE? I UNDERSTAND THIS RESOLUTION IS ABOUT URGING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO RETURN POWER BACK TO LOUISVILLE, TO ALLOW OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE REAL DECISIONS ABOUT SAFETY. THAT MATTERS, AND I SUPPORT THAT. BUT TONIGHT, I ALSO WANT TO ASK, WHILE YOU LOBBY THE STATE TO DO MORE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? WHAT CAN BE CONTROLLED NOW? AND ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING IT? THIS ISN'T ABOUT TAKING AWAY ANYONE'S RIGHTS. IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO LIVE, TO GROW, TO GO TO RECESS WITHOUT FEAR, TO MAKE A HOME HERE. MY HOPE IS THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS JUST ONE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IT'S A STEP IN ATTEMPTING TO RECLAIM OUR POWER, IN MANAGING OUR COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT IS MOST EFFECTIVE FOR THE NEEDS OF THIS CITY. THE WORK TOWARD REDUCING VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY IS MULTIFACETED AND REQUIRES A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CHANGING LAWS, BUT ALSO ABOUT COLLABORATION BETWEEN A VARIETY OF ENTITIES WHO ARE COMMITTED TO ONE GOAL A SAFER LOUISVILLE. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WAIT FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO HAND POWER BACK. SO IN THE MEANTIME, I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO MULTITASK, FUND THE PROGRAMS THAT INTERRUPT VIOLENCE BEFORE IT BEGINS, EXPAND PARTNERSHIPS WITH MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS, TRAUMA RESPONDERS, AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH. PRIORITIZE LOCAL DATA AND PREVENTION. MAKE SPACE FOR COMMUNITY VOICES BEYOND MOMENTS.

JUST LIKE THIS. AND NO LAWS ARE CREATED TO HELP GOVERN EVERYONE. BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE CONSIDER THE NEEDS OF THE WHOLE PERSON? HOW DO WE BEGIN TO SEE ONE ANOTHER AS COLLABORATORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NOT THREATS? WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM SHOOTING ONE

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THANK YOU. JOHN YARMUTH. PRESIDENT PRO TEM HAWKINS AND MEMBERS OF THE METRO COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION OFFERED BY COUNCILMAN HERNDON. IN THE INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE PIN I AM WEARING ON MY LAPEL REPRESENTS THE FAILING GRADE GIVEN TO ME FOR MY RECORD ON GUN SAFETY LEGISLATION BY THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. FOR EACH OF MY 16 YEARS IN CONGRESS REPRESENTING THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY PROUD OF, THE REFUSAL OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO TAKE MEANINGFUL ACTION TO PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE IS, IN MY OPINION, A NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT. SIMILARLY, THE IMPLICIT ACCEPTANCE OF GUN VIOLENCE BY KENTUCKY STATE LEGISLATORS, PAST AND PRESENT, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, I BELIEVE, IS A FAILURE OF COMMON SENSE AND A LACK OF RESPONSIVENESS TO KENTUCKIANS.

WHEN HUGE MAJORITIES OF KENTUCKIANS 80% AND HIGHER, SUPPORT STNGER GUN SAFETY MEASURES AND FAIL TO GET THEM. WE HAVE NOT JUST A GOVERNMENT OF MINORITY RULE, BUT ALSO OF SPECIAL INTEREST CONTROL. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ENDORSE THIS RESOLUTION, BUT ALSO TO SAY THAT, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE LEAST WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY. ASKING THE GENERAL

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I'M ALSO MAKING AN EARLY RUN FOR OFFICE HERE IN LOUISVILLE. I LIVE IN THE SIXTH DISTRICT. I LIVE IN OLD LOUISVILLE, AND I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO. I BEG YOUR PARDON? NOTHING ABOUT ELECTIONS. OKAY, WELL, IF YOU LET ME FINISH. I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO VOTE YES. TO ESTABLISH A POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE PARK. I SUPPORT THE PARK RANGERS. WE NEED THIS. WE NEED EXPANDING. THE POLICE PRESENCE IN THE PARK WILL HELP WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT PLAGUE OUR PARKS. I'M IN THE OLD. I LIVE IN OLD, NEW. AND I GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM IN OLD LOUISVILLE. AND THEY TELL ME CRIME IS THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. EVERYWHERE I GO, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CRIME. WE HAVE THE BOURBON IN BAB HERE IN OLD LOU, AND IT IS NUMBER ONE IN KENTUCKY, SIX IN THE WORLD. THE OWNERS OF THE BOURBON IN TALK TO ME ABOUT THE ISSUES IN THE PARK. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE PARK. PUBLIC SAFETY REALLY SHOULD BE A NONPARTISAN ISSUE. YET SOME PUBLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS WANT TO PLAY POLITICS WITH IT. SO I URGE THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE PARK RANGERS AND THOSE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE PARK RANGERS. I STAND WITH YOU IN SOLIDARITY BECAUSE THERE CANNOT BE PROSPERITY WITHOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DESIREE BUSH. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DISTINGUISHED GUESTS. IT IS TRULY MY HONOR TO BRING GREETINGS ON BEHALF OF ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY, INCORPORATED, ETA OMEGA CHAPTER. MY NAME IS DESIREE BUSH, AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE AS SERVING AS FIRST VICE PRESIDENT. FOUNDED IN 1922, BE THE FIRST CR OF OUR INTERNATIONAL SISTERHOOD TO BE CHARTERED IN THE METROPOLITAN LOUISVILLE AREA.

FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY, WE HAVE REMAINED STEADFAST IN THE MISSION OF OUR FOUNDERS TO BE OF SERVICE TO ALL MANKIND. OUR CHAPTER'S LEGACY IS DEEPLY ROOTED IN EDUCATION, LEADERSHIP, AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. WE CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON THAT FOUNDATION BY DEVELOPING PROGRAMS THAT STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY AND ADVANCE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. ONE OF OUR INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM INITIATIVES IS ADVOCATE FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE. ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY, INCORPORATED HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF SOCIAL JUSTICE,

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COLLEAGUES AND GUESTS HERE TONIGHT. IT IS MY ESTEEMED HONOR TO WELCOME TO THE CHAMBERS THE ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY. SISTERS OF MINE. I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANIZATION SINCE 1978. YES, I KNOW I DON'T. I LOOK 47. BUT IT IS AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO HOST THEM TONIGHT AND HAVE THEM SIT IN THE CHAMBERS TO RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THE INCREDIBLE WORK THAT THEY DO IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SERVICE IN BROAD TERMS, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY, YOU TALK ABOUT A DEFINITION OF ACTION. IT'S IN THE QUIET, CONSISTENT WORK OF THEIR VOLUNTEERS THAT THEY GET THINGS DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND SO FOR YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN THE BACKBONE OF SO MANY VITAL ORGANIZATIONS PARTNERING WITH THEM AND SOME INCREDIBLE COMMUNITY INITIATIVES. YOU'VE HEARD SOME FROM OUR VICE PRESIDENT TONIGHT. SO IT IS, AGAIN, MY HONOR TO RECOGNIZE THEM, TO WELCOME THEM TO CHAMBERS AND TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THEIR INCREDIBLE WORK. WE CELEBRATE NOT ONLY WHAT THEY HAVE ACHIEVED, BUT WHAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO THROUGHOUT THIS COMMUNITY. AND FOR THAT, I WANT TO ASK THEM TO PLEASE STAND AND COLLEAGUES, IF YOU WILL HELP ME WELCOME THEM AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE.

NANCY CAVALCANTI. I'M GOING TO GET MY TIMER SO I DON'T GO UP. I'M GOING TO HIT MY OWN TIMER SO I DON'T GO OVER. NANCY CAVALCANTI, DISTRICT 26, A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE'S CONSENT DECREE COALITION. MADAM PRO TEM PRESIDENT, I ADDRESS YOU AND THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING. I STAND HERE WITH OVER 500 PEOPLE WHO SIGNED A PETITION ASKING THE MAYOR AND THE METRO COUNCIL TO REAPPOINT ED HARNESS AS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU A FEW OF THOSE 500 VOICES. NOT ALL OF THEM. WE NEED THE COMMUNITY AND EXPERIENCE THAT ED HARNESS BRINGS. NOW MORE THAN EVER, ED HARNESS MUST BE APPOINTED TO CONTINUE TO BUILD COMMUNITY TRUST. PART OF BEING SERIOUS ABOUT REFORM MEANS REAPPOINTING ED HARNESS AS INSPECTOR GENERAL. IG HARNESS HAS A GOOD TEAM AND IS DOING A GOOD JOB FOR LOUISVILLE. OUR HOUSEHOLD IN THE HIGHLANDS SUPPORTS REAPPOINTING INSPECTOR GENERAL ED HARNESS. HE HAS MY FULL CONFIDENCE AND TRUST. LOUISVILLE DESERVES EXPERIENCE,

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. PRO TEM HAWKINS, THAT CONCLUDES OUR ADDRESS TO THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE APPROVAL. MADAM PRESIDENT, CAN I HAVE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE? OUR GUESTS HAVE ARRIVED. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ABSOLUTELY, YES. MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME TO THE PODIUM OFFICERS KENNETH LAWRENCE AND EARL REINHART, ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILWOMAN.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE FOR A SECOND. TO STAND HERE FOR JUST A SECOND. COLLEAGUES, WE'RE GATHERED TO RECOGNIZE THESE FINE OFFICERS FOR SOME ACTIVITIES AND WONDERFUL SERVICE THAT THEY GAVE US. BUT FIRST, I WANT TO REFLECT THAT EXCELLENCE ON THE GROUND LEVEL IS OFTEN A REFLECTION OF EXCELLENCE IN LEADERSHIP. AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE EXCELLENT LEADERSHIP IN POLICE DIVISIONS FIVE AND SIX. AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN AND THE CULTURE THAT THEY'VE HELPED CREATE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASK OF LMPD AND HAVE ASKED IS THAT THEY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY POLICING THAT THEY DO, THAT WE ASK THAT THE OFFICERS GET TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH THEY OPERATE, GET TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IS NORMAL, GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, AND BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND PICK OUT WHEN SOMETHING ISN'T NORMAL. AND THE STORY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TELL AND RECOGNIZE TONIGHT IS A STORY OF OFFICERS WHO DID KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHO COULD RECOGNIZE WHEN SOMETHING WASN'T QUITE RIGHT, AND THEN WHO PURSUED THAT IN WAYS THAT REQUIRED INGENUITY, SOME BRAVERY, AND SOME RATHER HUMOROUS EXPLOITS, PROBABLY WORTHY OF STORIES TO THE GRANDCHILDREN LATER. SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THAT ACTIVITY IS NOTICED. WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO GET TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. AND I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO YOU AND TO YOUR LEADERS THAT A RECOGNITION THAT THAT HAS BEEN NOTICED BY THE RESIDENTS, IT HAS BEEN NOTICED BY THE BUSINESS OWNERS. AND MOST TOUCHING TO ME, IT HAS BEEN NOTICED BY THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHO USED TO SAY, I FELT UNSAFE WALKING AROUND THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING IN WHICH I WORKED, AND THAT HAS CHANGED. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU TO TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR TEAM. I WANT TO BRING PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO AN EVENING NOT LONG AGO WHEN YOU ALL MADE A PROACTIVE RECOGNITION THAT SOMETHING WASN'T QUITE RIGHT, THAT WHILE IT WAS NORMAL AT TWO IN THE MORNING FOR PEOPLE TO BE WALKING ALONG BARDSTOWN ROAD, FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BE WALKING ALONG A DARK PART NEAR CAVE HILL CEMETERY WAS UNUSUAL. AND IN STOPPING TO ENGAGE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, HEARD A A AN

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THANKS, GUYS. REALLY APPRECIATE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE POINT OF PRIVILEGES. RIGHT? OKAY. NEXT, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER THE 25TH, 2025. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS

[Council Minutes]

[Committee Minutes]

OCTOBER THE 7TH. REGULAR LABOR AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OCTOBER THE 7TH. REGULAR PUBLIC WORKS. OCTOBER THE 7TH. REGULAR GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND AUDIT APPOINTMENTS. OCTOBER THE 7TH.

REGULAR EQUITY, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, HOUSING, HEALTH AND EDUCATION. OCTOBER THE 8TH REGULAR APPROPRIATIONS. OCTOBER THE 8TH REGULAR PUBLIC SAFETY. OCTOBER THE 8TH REGULAR AD HOC COMMITTEE AND EFFICIENCY OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. OCTOBER THE 8TH REGULAR PARKS AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. OCTOBER THE 9TH. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR THE OR THE SECOND? MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN

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[Communications to the Council]

CHRISTINE SNYDER A NEW APPOINTMENT TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY THE 9TH, 2026. YOUR PROMPT ACTION ON THIS APPOINTMENT IS MOST SINCERELY, CRAIG GREENBERG. MAYOR. DEAR PRESIDENT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, I'M APPOINTING TE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. ANDREW LLEWELLYN UNDER THE 30TH 2028. YOUR PROMPT ACTION ON THIS APPOINTMENT IS MOST APPRECIATED. SINCERELY, CRAIG. MAYOR. PRESIDENT. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WASTE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT 109 BOARD ORDINANCE, I AM APPOINTING THE FOLLOWING ANITA MCGRUDER A NEW APPOINTMENT TERM EXPIRES JUNE THE 22ND, 2027. AND EARLIER TODAY WE RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WITHDRAWING THE APPOINTMENT OF GREGORY ZAHRADNIK SO WE WON'T BE INCLUDING THEM IN. YOUR PROMPT ACTION ON THIS APPOINTMENT IS MUCH APPRECIATED. SINCERELY, CRAIG GREENBERG, MAYOR RETINAL. THOSE APPOINTMENTS NEEDED.

COUNCIL APPROVAL WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT, AUDIT AND APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE CONSENT

[Consent Calendar]

[Legislation forwarded from GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT/AUDIT AND APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE]

[18. AP081925MD     AMENDED APPOINTMENT OF MARCIA DALL TO THE LOUISVILLE REGIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY. (TERM EXPIRES JULY 15, 2028 2029) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval 8/28/25 Metro Council  Approved 8/19/24 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[19. AP081925MW     AMENDED APPOINTMENT OF MICHAEL WARD TO THE LOUISVILLE REGIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY. (TERM EXPIRES JULY 15, 2028 2029) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval 8/28/25 Metro Council  Approved 8/19/24 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[20. RP100725KS     REAPPOINTMENT OF DR. KARAN SHAH TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH. (TERM EXPIRES JULY 31, 2028) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[21. RP100725KH     REAPPOINTMENT OF KARYN HASCAL TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH. (TERM EXPIRES JULY 31, 2028) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[22. AP100725TS     APPOINTMENT OF TODD SMITH TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2028) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[23. AP100725NT     APPOINTMENT OF NISAT TANJILA TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2028) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[24. RP100725TH     REAPPOINTMENT OF TAMMYE HENDERSON TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION ENFORCEMENT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2028) 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[25. AP100725LS     APPOINTMENT OF LINDA SCHUSTER TO THE METROPOLITAN SEWER DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2028). 10/7/25 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By:  March 25, 2026]

[Legislation forwarded from LABOR AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE]

[26. R-114-25     A RESOLUTION RATIFYING AND APPROVING A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT (FROM THE DATE OF ITS APPROVAL THROUGH JUNE 30, 2029) RELATING TO WAGES, HOURS, AND OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT BETWEEN LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT AND AMERICAN FEDERATION OF STATE, COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES AFL-CIO, LOCAL 2629 (AFSCME), CONCERNING NON-PROBATIONARY, NON-SUPERVISORY, REGULAR EMPLOYEES OF METRO GOVERNMENT FOR WHOM AFSCME IS RECOGNIZED AS THE EXCLUSIVE BARGAINING REPRESENTATIVE IN THE FOLLOWING METRO GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS: DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS, OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES, LOUISVILLE METRO - AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET - HEALTH (BILLING), OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET - REVENUE COMMISSION, DEPARTMENT OF METRO ANIMAL SERVICES, LOUISVILLE METRO DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH TRANSITIONAL SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF CODES AND REGULATIONS, OFFICE OF PLANNING, METRO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, OFFICE OF RECORDS COMPLIANCE, AND DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSETS. 10/7/25 Labor and Economic Development Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By: March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Ben Reno-Weber (D-8), Donna L. Purvis (D-5)]

TRANSITIONAL SERVICES. DEPARTMENT OF CODE AND REGULATIONS. DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING, METRO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, OFFICE OF RECORDS, COMPLIANCE, AND DEPARTMENT OF

[Legislation forwarded from PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE]

[27. R-117-25     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $20,000 FROM THE KENTUCKY HERITAGE COUNCIL, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANTS PROGRAM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF PLANNING. 10/7/25  Planning and Zoning Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ]

[Legislation forwarded from PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE]

[28. O-229-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 91 REQUIRING MICROCHIPPING OF DOGS AND CATS. 10/8/25 Public Safety Committee  Recommended for Approval 9/17/25 Public Safety Committee  Tabled Action Required By: March 11, 2026 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9), Donna L. Purvis (D-5), Jennifer Chappell (D-15)]

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRATCHER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. HUDSON. YES. MADAM PRESIDENT, PRO TEM, YOU HAVE 24 YES VOTES. ALL RIGHT. THE CONSENT CALENDAR PASSES. THE NEXT ITEM OF

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[29. O-236-25     AN ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING $2,000 FROM NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER: $2,000 FROM DISTRICT 4; THROUGH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, TO ST. GEORGE’S SCHOLAR INSTITUTE, INC. FOR COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE POSSIBILITY CAMPUS PROGRAM ACTIVITIES. 10/8/25 Appropriations Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By: March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Ken Herndon (D-4) ]

ACTIVITIES. THE ORDINANCE IS BEFORE US. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILWOMAN PARKER, I BELIEVE THAT THIS COMES OUT OF YOUR COMMITTEE. YES. THIS APPROPRIATION WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILMAN HERNDON, AND I BELIEVE HE'S LOOKING FOR MORE FUNDING. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. THIS ORGANIZATION, SAINT GEORGE'S SCHOLAR INSTITUTE, IS FOR OVER SIX DECADES HAS BEEN A BEACON OF HOPE AND HOPE AND PROGRESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY ARE A FULL SERVICE COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER THAT FEEDS THE HUNGRY, NURTURES YOUTH, AND ADVOCATES FOR HEALTHY LIFESTYLES NOT JUST IN DISTRICT FOUR, BUT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, COLLEGE AND CAREER READINESS. STAY AHEAD. TUTORING, YOUTH AND WELLNESS. I COULD GO ON BUT WON'T, BUT THEY DID ASK FOR 30,000 TOTAL. I'M PUTTING IN TWO. I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN OWEN HAS ADDED A THOUSAND. I DON'T, FRANKLY EXPECT US TO GET 30, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET AS HIGH AS WE CAN. IF YOU SUPPORT THIS KIND OF WORK THAT THAT SPREADS THE GOOD DEEDS ALL OVER OUR COMMUNITY, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE FOR COUNCILMAN? MADAM CLERK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS INCLUDED. AS FOR $1,000 ON THIS FROM DISTRICT NINE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. CAN YOU LET US KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT? SO THE TOTAL RIGHT NOW IS $3,000, AND THE ASK IS $30,000. MADAM CLERK, DISTRICT ONE WILL GIVE 1000. 1000. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW. THE QUEUE IS NOT WORKING. SO IF YOU ALL KIND OF WANT TO. THREE AND 21. OKAY. RIGHT. COUNCILMAN PURSE. RIGHT. YES. 1300 FROM DISTRICT THREE. COUNCILMAN PURVIS, I MEAN, COUNCILMAN SHANKLIN. I APOLOGIZE. DISTRICT TWO 500. 13,000 FROM D21. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ALRIGHT. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THE FLOOR. THE FLOOR AMENDMENT PASSES. SONIA, CAN YOU GIVE US THE TOTAL, PLEASE? THE TOTAL IS $6,300. AND THEN WE ALSO STILL NEED TO TAKE A FINAL VOTE FOR THE THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU.

COLLEAGUES. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WILL THE CLERK OPEN UP THE VOTING, PLEASE? YES. OKAY. I'M GOING TO TAKE WHATEVER YOU HAVE.

COUNCILMAN BRATCHER, IS YOUR COMPUTER NOT UPDATING? OKAY. I HAVE YOU RECORDED AS A YES, MADAM PRESIDENT PRO TEM HOPKINS, YOU HAVE 24 YES VOTES. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. READING OF

[30. O-239-25     AN ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING $15,000 FROM DISTRICT 5 NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO THE LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT, 2ND DIVISION, TO FUND ADDITIONAL PATROLLING OF THE WESTOVER, LARKWOOD, CHICKASAW, AND SHAWNEE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, AND FEBRUARY OF FY26. 10/8/25 Appropriations Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By: March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Donna L. Purvis (D-5) ]

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THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE, AND THEY FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S MORE POLICE PRESENCE, IT WOULD BE A DETERRENT TO CRIME. THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, AND THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE. AND WHEN THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE, I'M CONCERNED. SO THIS IS WHY IT IS NECESSARY. I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE FIGURE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE DISTRIBUTING THE MONIES TO BOTH DIVISIONS ONE AND TWO IS UP TO THE MAJORS TO DECIDE HOW THE OVERTIME WILL BE UTILIZED. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNTS, THE FIGURES, THE TIMES OR ANYTHING. THEY HAVE THE BUDGET AND THEY HAVE THE BUDGET TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DISTRICTS ARE SAFE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. I DID WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING, BECAUSE IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS FOR THIS LEGISLATION, THERE ARE HOURS IN CERTAIN SPOTS THAT ARE LAID OUT. AND IT WAS SAID THAT THE SECOND DIVISION WOULD BE SPENDING 112 HOURS IN TOTAL ON THIS INITIATIVE, AND THE FIRST DIVISION WOULD BE SPENDING 188 HOURS ON THIS INITIATIVE, WHICH ADDS UP TO $30,000. AND IN THAT SAME PAPERWORK, IT SAYS THAT BREAKDOWN FOR THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE $11,200 FOR THE SECOND DIVISION AND $18,800 FOR THE FIRST DIVISION. AND AS IS ALL APPROPRIATIONS, I'LL BE VOTING PRESENT. BUT THE REASON THAT I'M SPEAKING TO THIS RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE $15,000 DIDN'T EQUATE TO THOSE HOURS, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH EACH DIVISION WAS PAYING THEIR OFFICERS. SO WITH THAT BREAKDOWN OF 11,000 AND $1,800, RESPECTIVELY, I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THERE IS NO PRICE DISCREPANCY IN PAY PER HOUR PER DIVISION. SO IF YOU WATCH THAT COMMITTEE MEETING AND YOU MAY HAVE GATHERED FROM THAT, THAT ONE DIVISION HAS MORE SENIORITY OVER THE OTHER, OR THAT ONE DIVISION PAYS THEIR OFFICERS MORE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION THAT THE PAPERWORK IN AN EMAILS WITH LMPD DOES SPECIFY THAT LMPD OFFICERS MAKE ABOUT $100 PER OVERTIME HOUR, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD AND MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. EXCUSE ME, MADAM PRO TEM, I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT I DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER POLICE PERSONNEL AND THEIR PAY RATES OR ANYTHING. WE JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM THIS MONEY, AND IT IS UP TO THE MAJOR TO DECIDE HOW TO DISTRIBUTE THIS MONEY FOR THE SERVICES NEEDED. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN CRAMER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ANYBODY WHO'S PAID ATTENTION TO COUNCIL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS HAS HEARD ME SPEAK TO THIS. I IT'S AN INDIE AND SO I'LL BE VOTING. YES BECAUSE THE RULES ALLOW FOR IT. THE COUNCILWOMAN HAS PUT IT FORWARD HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS. BUT A YES VOTE ON MY PART DOESN'T MEAN I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I STRUGGLE MIGHTILY WITH THE IDEA OF USING NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO PAY THE POLICE TO DO THEIR JOB. THE POLICE BUDGET IS THE LARGEST PORTION OF METRO LOUISVILLE'S BUDGET. THEY HAVE A DEFINITE RESPONSIBILITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNCILWOMAN DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS BEING MET IN HER DISTRICT. THAT'S THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF, GIVING THEM MORE MONEY ON OVERTIME, GIVING SPECIFIC DISTRICTS MORE MONEY ON OVERTIME DOESN'T SOLVE THE OVERALL POLICING PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN METRO LOUISVILLE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IT WILL MAKE IT WHERE THERE WILL BE LESS AVAILABLE OFFICERS FOR OVERTIME FOR COVERAGE IN AREAS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DEEMS ARE NECESSARY. SO IF WE'RE NOT POLICING WELL AND I'M NOT CHALLENGING MY COLLEAGUE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE POLICING WELL. IF WE'RE NOT POLICING WELL, THIS IS A POLICE PROBLEM. AND USING NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO TRY AND FIX THIS PROBLEM, I BELIEVE, IS A MISTAKE. IT EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM IN OTHER AREAS. I WOULD PROPOSE, HAVE PROPOSED IN THE PAST, AND WILL AGAIN PROPOSE IF WE REALLY, SINCERELY WANT TO HAVE AN IMPACT, IF WE WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO DO

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ANYWAY, THIS ISN'T FOR EXTRAS. THIS IS TO GET THEM TO DO THEIR JOB. I JUST THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'LL WITHDRAW BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR. COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. PRO TEM. I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK, BUT I WAS MOVED DURING COUNCILMAN KEVIN KRAMER'S STATEMENT TO THE CHAMBER, I AGREE THAT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES. AS COUNCILMAN KRAMER POINTED OUT, LMPD IS BY A COUNTRY MILE, THE LARGEST APPROPRIATION THAT WE MAKE IN THE BUDGET. IT'S ALSO AN ISSUE WHEN WE SAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE OVERTIME FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER DIVISIONS. I ACTUALLY QUESTION THAT. WE HAVE SEEN A REPEATED PATTERN OF THESE OVERTIME FUNDS BEING RETURNED TO DISTRICTS. AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WHERE WE'RE ALLOCATING THESE FUNDS KNOWING THAT THEY'RE LIKELY COMING BACK, WHICH WHICH I THINK IS SORT OF A GOOD GOVERNANCE PROBLEM. I THINK IT IS ALSO AN ISSUE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALLOCATING THEM FOR INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THEN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE DO NOT CONTROL THE HOURS, WE DO NOT CONTROL THE DEPLOYMENT OF THE POLICE. THIS CHAMBER HAS REPEATEDLY MADE CLEAR THAT THE WILL OF THIS BODY IS NOT TO LEGISLATE THE ACTIONS OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, AND NOT TO MANDATE THAT THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SPEND MONEY IN A PARTICULAR WAY, WHICH THIS LEGISLATION SPELLS OUT. BUT WE ADMIT THAT IF WE SPEND, YOU KNOW, $15,000, HOWEVER, IT ENDS UP BREAKING DOWN THE HOURS IN THE SECOND DIVISION. AND WE SAY THAT IT'S FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S ACTUALLY NO CONTROL OVER WHAT THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SPENT IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. SAME IN THE FIRST DIVISION. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WHEN THE FIRST DIVISION MONEY IS ALLOCATED TO RUSSELL, THAT THAT MONEY WON'T BE SPENT IN NULU. I, I WILL JOIN COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL IN VOTING PRESENT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE. I'VE BEEN DOING THAT WITH THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE RAISED IN THE CHAMBER, AND I WOULD ASK THAT OTHER MEMBERS ASK THESE QUESTIONS AS WELL. COUNCILMAN PEREZ ROY, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR PRO TEM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I, I WAS GOING TO WITHDRAW, BUT I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN CRAMER SPOKE TO MY CONCERNS. BUT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS.

AND COUNCILWOMAN HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THIS. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN DONNA PURVIS BECAUSE THIS IS A DECISION SHE'S MAKING BY LISTENING TO HER COMMUNITY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE ON RECORD SAYING THAT I THINK THERE'S BIGGER ISSUES. AS COUNCILMAN JUST SPELLED OUT, AND COUNCILMAN CRAMER HAS AS WELL. BUT I SHARED THE SECOND DIVISION AS WELL WITH, WITH MY DISTRICT. SO I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE ISSUES AND THINGS TO WORK ON WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGETARY CONCERNS. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS THAT ARE ASKING FOR FUNDING AND SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, THAT CUT OUT A LOT OF GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK. THAT IS ALSO ANTI-VIOLENT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL PIECES OF THAT. SO THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. THIS IS AN

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[31. O-241-25     AN ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING $15,000 FROM DISTRICT 5 NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO THE LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT, 1ST DIVISION, TO FUND ADDITIONAL PATROLLING OF THE PORTLAND AND RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, AND FEBRUARY OF FY26. 10/8/25 Appropriations Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By: March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Donna L. Purvis (D-5) ]

COUNCILMAN. I'M SORRY. YOU ALL. MADAM PRESIDENT PRO TEM, YOU HAVE 22 YES VOTES AND TWO PRESENT VOTES. ALL RIGHT. THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED. MADAM CLERK, A READING OF ITEM 32, AN

[32. O-234-25     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1933 WROCKLAGE AVENUE CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY .60 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 25ZONE0066). 10/7/25  Planning and Zoning Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By December 3, 2025 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ]

[33. R-112-25     A RESOLUTION CALLING ON THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO CREATE “KIDS OVER GUNS” COMMONSENSE GUN LEGISLATION IN THE JURISDICTION AND TERRITORY OF LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT. 10/8/25 Public Safety Committee  Recommended for Approval 9/17/25 Public Safety Committee  Held Action Required By: March 11, 2026 Sponsors: Ken Herndon (D-4), Tammy Hawkins (D-1), Barbara Shanklin (D-2), Shameka Parrish-Wright (D-3), Betsy Ruhe (D-21), Donna L. Purvis (D-5), JP Lyninger (D-6), Ben Reno-Weber (D-8), Andrew Owen (D-9), Josie Raymond (D-10), Jennifer Chappell (D-15), Markus Winkler (D-17)]

OKAY. ITEM YOU THINK I RECEIVED? A WONDERFUL. IS A POINT OF PRIVILEGE. MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU 33 OR 34, 33 IS BEING THE SPONSORSHIP HAS BEEN PULLED. 34. WE'RE ABOUT TO CALL. YES, MADAM.

[34. O-243-25     AN ORDINANCE CREATING A NEW SECTION OF CHAPTER 36 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ESTABLISH THE LOUISVILLE PARKS POLICE. 10/8/25 Public Safety Committee  Recommended for Approval Action Required By: March 25, 2026 Sponsors: Dan Seum, Jr. (R-13), Tammy Hawkins (D-1)]

PROPERLY MOTION. AND SECOND IS THE ORDINANCE BEFORE US. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? WHY DON'T WE START WITH COUNCILMAN SINE THIS CAME OUT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU. SIR. THE PURPOSE OF

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TRANSITIONING FROM THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE ORDER AUTHORITY UNDER KRS 95 160, A SPECIAL POLICE.

THIS CHANGE ENSURES ACCESS TO STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES AND LONG TERM. TERM SUSTAINABILITY. WE HAVE A COUPLE FOLKS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATOR BRIDGETTE FRALEY AND CHIEF JAMES BROWN, IF YOU WOULD COME UP FRONT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. MR. PRO TEM CHAIR. WE CANNOT HAVE PERSONS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SPEAK. UNFORTUNATELY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ACCORDING TO COUNCIL RULES, THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE OUTSIDE PERSONS SPEAK DURING COUNCIL MEETING. WE HAVE TO ADJOURN INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE SESSION, HAVE THEM SPEAK, AND THEN ADJOURN INTO A WHOLE COUNCIL. SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T HAVE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS SPEAK DURING COUNCIL. OKAY. COUNCIL SESSION. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND KIND OF RECITE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO HEAR. THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM, ESTABLISHED VIA EXECUTIVE ORDER UNDER KRS 95.16, WHICH ALLOWS APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL POLICE. RANGERS HAVE FULL ARREST POWERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY CHIEF PARK RANGER BROWN IS CERTIFIED. THE LIMITATIONS TO THE SPECIAL POLICE STATUS IS THAT THE KENTUCKY LAW ENFORCEMENT FOUNDATION PROGRAM, THERE HAVE NO ACCESS TO ANY STIPENDS. THEY THEY THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ADMINISTERED TRAINING TO MAINTAIN THEIR POP CERTIFICATION EACH YEAR. AND THEY THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GRANT PROGRAMS. THIS IS NOT CREATING A NEW POLICE FORCE. WE HAVE 125 PARKS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND WE HAVE ONE PARK, PARK RANGER THAT'S TRYING TO OVERSEE ALL THESE. WE DON'T HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS TO OVERSEE THESE, AND WE NEED MORE. WE THINK THAT BY THEM BEING ABLE TO HAVE STIPENDS AND TO PAY FOR THEIR ONGOING TRAINING, IT WILL HELP TO RETAIN AND OBTAIN NEW PARK PARK POLICE. SO I'M ASKING FOR A POSITIVE VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SYME ALSO WOULD REFER TO COUNCILWOMAN. WELL, YOU'RE STILL PRESIDENT PRO TEM WHILE YOU'RE SITTING IN THE CHAIR. BUT ANYWAY, COUNCILOR FOR DISTRICT ONE, ALSO ONE OF THE OTHER CO-SPONSORS, COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. YES. YOU KNOW, I'M A COLLEAGUE. WHAT IT IS THAT IT'S VERY OFTEN THAT THE POLICE JUST DOES NOT MAKE IT TO THE PARK. THEY JUST DON'T. POLICE ARE SECOND RESPONDERS, AND IT'S VERY OFTEN THAT WE'VE CALLED THEM TO ALGONQUIN, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, TAXPAYERS DOLLARS THAT'S BEEN INVESTED IN THESE PARKS. THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF LMPD, WHO IS ALREADY SHORT STAFFED, CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO BE EMPLOYED UNDER THEM, I THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND PUT POLICING SOME OF IT UNDER PARKS. SO THIS WILL NOT BE UNDER LMPD, THIS WILL BE UNDER PARKS, AND I HAVE BEEN ASKING PARKS TO SOLELY RELY ON THE COMMUNITY.

THERE IS NO BETTER POLICING OF PARKS OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I AM ASKING FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS. WE NEED THIS INVESTMENT IN PARKS TO PROTECT OUR PARKS, TO PROTECT OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. WHETHER YOU LIKE THE POLICE OR WHETHER YOU DON'T, WE ALWAYS SEEM TO CALL ON THEM WHEN WE NEED THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO RELY ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUE KEVIN CRAMER SAID. HE SAID THAT HE, YOU KNOW, PUT IT GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A DIFFERENT ROUTE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE. WE'LL START WITH COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PARK RANGERS SITUATION CLOSELY, MOSTLY BECAUSE WHEN THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE AFTER THE BLOOMBERG HARVARD LEADERSHIP INITIATIVE COLLABORATION CONCLUDED, THE ONE PARK RANGER WAS ALLEGEDLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN SOLELY IN IROQUOIS PARK. AND I REMEMBER STANDING AT THE TOP OF IROQUOIS PARK, AT THE OVERLOOK

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THE CHAIR AT THE TIME OF THE COMMITTEE HAD ASKED THAT IT BE HEARD, EVEN THOUGH THAT COMMITTEE HAD OVERRUN ABOUT 25 MINUTES INTO THE COMMITTEE THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHAIRING, AND I HAD TO BE MINDFUL OF PEOPLE'S TIME, HAD I KNOWN THAT IT WOULD BE THIS LEGISLATION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID, NO, WE NEED TO TABLE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH GREATER DISCUSSION. I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ALSO DONE THAT HAD I KNOWN THAT MY COLLEAGUES WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION. THIS ISN'T A MATTER OF ARE YOU FOR POLICE OR ARE YOU AGAINST POLICE? BUT AS SOMEBODY THAT'S VERY INVESTED IN POLICY, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS. AND AS I CAME TO LEARN, ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION THAT CHIEF BROWN HAD PUT TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GIVE HIM THE DIGNITY OR RESPECT TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION AND TALK ABOUT THIS INITIATIVE. WE JUST QUICKLY VOTED ON IT. AND YOU'VE PROBABLY RECEIVED CALLS IN YOUR OFFICE. I KNOW THAT I HAVE YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN PETITIONS, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU HAVE READ MULTIPLE ARTICLES, HOPEFULLY. BUT YOU HAVE HEARD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT. AND IT'S A SHAME THAT I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE THROUGH LOCAL NEWS MEDIA OUTLETS THAN I HAVE FROM OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WE NEVER GAVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO IF THEY WERE HERE AND ABLE TO ADDRESS US TODAY, I HAVE A SLEW OF QUESTIONS AND I'LL READ THEM INTO THE RECORD, BECAUSE I'M UNDER NO ILLUSION THAT THIS WON'T BE PASSING TONIGHT. WE'LL BE CREATING THIS. I JUST WANT TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE IN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, WHICH ARE RIGHT NOW RHETORICAL. WHAT ARE THE SPECIAL CERTIFICATIONS AND TRAINING MANDATES THAT WILL BE OBTAINED BY THE EMPLOYEES? ALLEGEDLY, CURRENT PARK RANGERS ALREADY HAVE ARRESTING AUTHORITY. HOW MANY ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY CHIEF BROWN SINCE HE HAS BEEN HIRED? AND CAN WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THOSE ARRESTS ARE FOR? IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT THAT REQUIRES A PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF SORTS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF CHIEF BROWN OR ANOTHER PARK RANGER TAKES THEIR GUN OUT OF A HOLSTER OR HAS AN ALTERCATION WITH SOMEONE IN THE PARK WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CARRYING OUT THAT REVIEW, WELL, LMPD STRINGENT REVIEW PROCESS BE APPLIED TO THIS DEPARTMENT, OR WILL NEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES BE ESTABLISHED? WHAT WILL BE THE OVERSIGHT MECHANISM? ARE WE CREATING NEW BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO OVERSEE OUR PARKS RANGER PROGRAM? THERE ARE 125 PARKS IN LOUISVILLE METRO RANGING GREATLY IN SIZE, AMENITIES, LOCATION, ETC. WHAT IS THE HIRING GOAL FOR THIS DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO POLICE THE PARKS? IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING ANOTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I'VE HEARD ALL SORTS OF THINGS I'VE READ, WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH REGION, AND A RANGER IS GOING TO OVERSEE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKS, OR THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE PARK PER OR ONE RANGER PER PARK, 125 PARKS. IF WE PUT THAT ON THREE SHIFTS, THAT'S HUNDREDS OF OFFICERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO HIRE. CURRENTLY, PARK RANGER APPLICATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE. WILL THIS REQUIREMENT STILL APPLY OR WILL IT BE WAIVED? SINCE ADDITIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THROUGH THIS LEGISLATION? THE PARKS RANGERS HAVE ALREADY HAD A STRUGGLE IN HIRING TWO PART TIME RANGERS OR ONE FULL TIME RANGER. HOW WILL THIS LEGISLATION MAKE HIRING EASY EASIER? IN THE PRESENTATION THAT CHIEF BROWN NEVER PRESENTED, IT SAYS IT ALLOWS THE AGENCY TO OVERCOME HIRING BARRIERS REDUCED TO BOTH RETURNED AND OUT OF STATE AREAS.

I THINK THAT'S A TYPO. WHAT ARE THESE BARRIERS CURRENTLY? THE PRESENTATION ALSO STATES THAT THIS IS A THAT THERE IS A COST SAVING POTENTIAL. WHAT IS THIS POTENTIAL? IS IT SIMPLY THAT THIS IS OPENING THE ACCESS TO GRANTS AND COMPLETELY CONTINGENT ON US APPLYING AND RECEIVING THOSE GRANTS? AND WHAT IMPACTS DOES THIS NEW DEPARTMENT'S HIRING INITIATIVE

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, JUST BECAUSE OF LOGGING IN AND ALL THIS STUFF, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT'S WHAT I HAVE IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW. I HAVE COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN LEININGER, AND THEN I HAVE COUNCILMAN HAWKINS BACK IN THE QUEUE AFTER THAT. IT'S NOT SHOWING UP BECAUSE SHE CAN'T LOG IN TWICE. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE. SO, COUNCILMAN RUIZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY I'VE WORKED A LOT WITH THE CHIEF BROWN ALREADY, AND I'VE SEEN THE WORK THAT HE DOES AND HOW HE SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY AND HIS INTENT TO COME IN AS A AS A COMMUNITY RELATIONS AS MUCH AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. AND AS I HAVE LISTENED TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'VE GOT AND THE FACT THAT THIS DID COME OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH VIRTUALLY NO DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS LATE, WE WERE OVER AND WE WERE TIRED AND WE JUST WANTED TO MOVE IT ON. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT. THIS GETS SENT BACK TO COMMITTEE SO WE CAN HAVE THIS HEARING, AND WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO GET THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS ITEM BACK TO COMMITTEE.

MADAM CLERK, IS THAT DEBATABLE MOTION? YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER, BUT. DO DO DO. G IS THE

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COUNCILMAN KRAMER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESUBMIT YOUR MOTION? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE THAT WE ABANDON THE QUEUE. WE JUST RAISED HANDS, BUT NOW WE THAT WE RETURN BACK TO THE QUEUE. IF THE MOTION IS WITHDRAWN, DON'T WE? IT'S SO THIS IS UNDER THE CLERK. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY IT'S UP TO THE, THE CHAIR TO CALL THE ORDER OF WHICH WHO HE WANTS TO CALL. AND JUST BECAUSE HE HAD MENTIONED IT, SHE HAD MENTIONED IT AND THEN HE'S REDOING IT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE, REASONABLE TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN KRAMER IF HE WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION, SINCE HE WAS IN THE QUEUE TO DEBATE THAT. COUNCILMAN KRAMER. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YEAH, MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE ADJOURN FROM THE COUNCIL MEETING. AND MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, NOT EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE CAN STAY IN THIS CHAMBER AND DO COMMITTEE, THE WHOLE WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE AND THEN HAVE WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE NEED. WE CAN'T VOTE WHILE WE'RE IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. SO WE AFTER ANY CONVERSATION, WE WOULD MOTION TO GO TO END THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND GO BACK INTO COUNCIL SESSION. AND THEN WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT TONIGHT. AND THE REASON, JUST SO THAT ANYBODY WHO'S LIKE PAYING ATTENTION AND LIKE, WHAT IS KRAMER DOING? WE HAVE THE PARKS FOLKS HERE. IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE WERE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CALL SOMEONE IN. I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL HAS, YOU KNOW, THIS LIST OF QUESTIONS.

IF WE HAD TO BRING SOMEONE IN TO ANSWER THOSE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. BUT SINCE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEM AND THE FACT THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THIS EVENING TO COME AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IT JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE THIS MAKES THE MOST SENSE. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. I NEED A SECOND. SO, SO JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S ACTUALLY A MOTION TO DISSOLVE INTO COMMITTEE TO HOLD, NOT ADJOURNED. I'M SORRY. YES. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. IS THIS DEBATABLE? NO, SIR. OKAY, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DISSOLVING THIS MEETING AND MOVING INTO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE DISSOLVING. WE ARE NOW CONVENING OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WHAT WE WILL DO HERE IN ORDER TO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF ORDER. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO KEEP COUNCILMAN LINENGER AND COUNCILMAN I NEED. OH, OKAY.

GREAT. YOU'RE RIGHT DOWN. THANK YOU. YOU'RE AWESOME. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP END COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT QUEUE. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT AS THE CURRENT QUEUE WHEN WE COME OUT. AND THAT'S OH NO SORRY. IT'S GOING TO BE COUNCILMAN LINENGER COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND THEN COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. NO NO, NO, WE'RE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE HOLDING THEM FOR WHEN WE WHEN WE COME BACK IN, GO AHEAD AND CLEAR IT. AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE'LL START. OKAY. WHEN WE NOW THAT WE'RE IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, WE WILL ASK OUR GUESTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK. WHEN THEY'VE CONCLUDED SPEAKING, WE WILL REFER TO THIS NEW CLEARED QUEUE WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE QUEUE. SO IF OUR GUESTS WILL COME UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD FIRST AND THEN GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR ADDRESS ONCE WHAT WE'LL DO, COLLEAGUES, ONCE THEY'VE BOTH SPOKEN, I WILL I WILL GO INTO THE QUEUE AND WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THERE. I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT OUT OF THE NEED TO BE EFFICIENT WITH THIS, WE WILL NOT. AND WHICH IS REGULAR RULES OF ORDER, WE WILL NOT REPEAT OURSELVES. PLEASE ASK A QUESTION. YOU'LL GET ANSWERS. ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU NEED AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT REPETITIVE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING REPEATS ALL NIGHT LONG. BUT WITH THAT SAID, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND GO

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THIS IS JUST TRYING TO FIX A STATUTORY ISSUE THAT PREVENTED US FROM BEING ABLE TO GROW IT WHATSOEVER. LIKE SHE MENTIONED, ACCESS TO KENTUCKY LAW ENFORCEMENT COUNCIL'S TRAINING.

MY OWN CERTIFICATION WILL EXPIRE IN ABOUT A YEAR OR SO, AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT. I KNOW, AGAIN, CAME UP VERY EARLY ON. WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT TRAINING AND ACCESS TO IT AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO, AGAIN, HAVE THOSE ACCESSES TO IT, AND WE COULDN'T DO IT. WE'VE WORKED WITH LMPD TRAINING UNIT TO HAVE SOME ACCESS, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST. KENTUCKY LAW ENFORCEMENT COUNCIL LOOKS AT THAT SPECIAL POLICE STATUTE AND EXCLUDES US FROM ANY LIKE, ANYTHING WITH THEM. ONE OF THE OTHER ASPECTS, AS FAR AS THE HIRING, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR. WE HAD THE PART TIME WHO WERE RETIRED OFFICERS FROM EITHER LMPD OR OTHER PLACES. THOSE CERTIFICATIONS WERE OUT OF DATE, AND I COULD NOT GET THEM. THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED TO BRING THEM BACK TO ACTIVE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL APPLY FROM THE STATE OF INDIANA, AND THE RECIPROCITY PROCESS COULD NOT BE COMPLETED BECAUSE KENTUCKY LAW ENFORCEMENT COUNCIL WOULDN'T GO THROUGH WITH IT.

THE ONLY OPTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO HIRE THAT PERSON. ONCE WE GOT THIS ISSUE FIXED, FIRE THAT PERSON OR LAY THEM OFF AND THEN HAVE TO SEND THEM TO SOME TRAINING TO HIRE THEM AGAIN

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THE FIRST CONCERN YOU HAD WAS WHEN WHEN THE BLOOMBERG HARVARD PROJECT BEGAN. IROQUOIS PARK WAS A PILOT, SO IT WAS A PILOT. WE WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE WITH OUR OUR IDEAS OF HOW HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR PARK SAFETY. SO IROQUOIS PARK WAS OUR PILOT PROJECT. ONLY THIS THIS PROGRAM WAS NEVER DESIGNED WITH ONE PARK IN MIND. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, BASED ON OUR DATA IN REGARDS TO MISUSE, VANDALISM, AND YOU ALL ARE PROVIDED THAT REPORT FREQUENTLY. WE DO KEEP DATA ON THAT. AND SO BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS WHERE WE SEE THE MOST VANDALISM, GRAFFITI, ILLEGAL DUMPING AND OR MISUSE OF THE SPACE, THEN THOSE WE HAVE FOCUS AREAS OF PARKS. AND I ALSO HAVE THAT FOCUSED AREAS, PARKS THAT WE WE WENT OVER THAT IN THE PARKS AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. BUT I ALSO HAVE COPIES OF THAT. IF I'VE GOT ABOUT TEN COPIES FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE INTERESTED AND SEE THAT I HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO PASS THOSE OUT. BUT IT WAS ALWAYS, ALWAYS DESIGNED WITH AN INTENTIONAL FOCUS ON INTENTIONAL PARKS THAT WE KNOW CREATE THE MOST PROBLEMS FROM THE GET GO. ONCE WE CAN SHOW THAT WE ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BE IN 125 PARKS, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN INTENTIONAL FOCUS WITH AN INTENTIONAL DEPLOYMENT OF OUR RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. RIGHT. AND THEN HOPEFULLY EXPAND THAT OUT. SO THAT WAS YOUR FIRST QUESTION. THE SECOND QUESTION WAS THE CERTIFICATE PROCESS. I THINK CHIEF MENTIONED THAT AS THE POLICE OFFICER CERTIFICATION, THE POPS CERTIFICATION, HOW MANY ARRESTS HAVE MADE. SO I'M GOING TO LET CHIEF, WE DID DO A ONE PAGER WITH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HIS ACTIVITY. WE ALSO HAVE COPIES OF THAT ARE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AS WELL. RIGHT. SO EVEN AS JUST THE ONE INDIVIDUAL AT THE MOMENT, STILL OVER 500 BY PROACTIVE RESPONSES WITHIN THE PARKS, 26 CITATIONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. I THINK IT'S SIX ARRESTS. ALL OF THOSE ARE FOR EITHER BENCH WARRANTS OR FOR DRUG USE, OR EVEN TO POSSESSION OF A HANDGUN BY A CONVICTED FELON. NONE OF THEM ARE RELATED TO HOUSE BILL FIVE OR ANY HOMELESSNESS ASPECT. ALSO TAKING WARRANTS INVESTIGATIONS OF A CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER WHO WAS FREQUENTING THE PARK AND HAD BEEN UNABLE SO FAR PRIOR TO MY HIRING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, SO FOLLOWED UP WITH IT, GAVE IT CONTINUED ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDED, AND THEN SOUGHT THE THE APPROPRIATE CHARGE WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HE HASN'T BEEN BACK IN PETERSBURG PARK SINCE THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE. YOUR NEXT QUESTION WAS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WHAT ARE THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS? I'LL LET CHIEF SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. AS FAR AS IF IF A RANGER WERE TO UNHOLSTER THEIR WEAPON, I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT. RIGHT AS WE WORK TO ESTABLISH IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES STILL WORKING TO FINALIZE THOSE BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN THE UNCERTAINTY RELATED TO WHAT IT IS OR WHAT IT'S CALLED, WHAT STATUTE IT'S UNDER, BUT TRYING TO UTILIZE AS MUCH AS LMPD'S POLICY AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE IN THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY UTILIZE ARE PROPRIETARY OR SERVICES THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO, OR JUST AREN'T EVEN NECESSARY. WE DON'T HAVE A K-9 PROGRAM, I DON'T HAVE AN AVIATION UNIT, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS FOR ME, MYSELF, I HAVE A SUPERVISOR THAT I REPORT TO WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO OVERSEE IT, AND ADDITIONALLY, ANYTHING ELSE COULD BE UTILIZED THROUGH THE PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT OF LOCAL METRO POLICE IF THERE WAS SOME ALLEGATION OF IMPROPRIETY ON MY PART. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE OVERSIGHT AS FAR AS HIRING GOALS, OUR HIRING GOALS ARE, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WILL DEPEND ON FUNDING. OF COURSE, THE WE HAVE FOR PARKS,

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LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT IS PAYING INTO KPA FOR CHIEF BROWN'S PENSION. HOWEVER, HE HE'S NOT DRAWING A SECOND PENSION. HE ALREADY IS ONLY ABLE TO RECEIVE ONE PENSION FROM KPA. SO WHAT THIS LEGISLATION WOULD DO WOULD BE LIKE A RETIRED OFFICER, LMG WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY INTO KPA. SO THAT IS THE COST SAVINGS POTENTIAL, WHICH GIVEN THEIR SALARIES IS IS A LARGE, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAVE ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL, YOU'RE FIRST IN THE QUEUE. I WOULD ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW QUESTIONS OR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. SURE.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB ANSWERING ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. AND AT THIS TIME THERE'S A FULL QUEUE.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO RELINQUISH IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MISTER PRESIDENT PRO TEM. TIM. TIM. TIM. SO THANK YOU, CHIEF BROWN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. YOU KNOW, TAKING THE TIME OUT OF YOUR EVENING AND JOTTING THOSE QUESTIONS DOWN THAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL WROTE. I GOT A COUPLE THINGS. AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO I WANT TO JUST MAKE MENTION THAT I 100% SUPPORT THIS PARK RANGER PROGRAM, THE GOALS OF THE MISSION. AND THEY'RE IN THIS RANGER PROGRAM BY MOVING FROM THE SPECIAL LEGISLATION KRS 95 TO THE CRAS 67.083. MAKING THAT MOVE TODAY, WHAT CHIEF DOES THAT ALLOW YOU TO HIRE IMMEDIATELY? SO THAT ALLOWS THAT ANYONE WHO APPLIES, WHO HAS ANY SORT OF LIKE A BARRIER LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT HERE, THEIR THEIR CERTIFICATION MAY BE INACTIVE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN OUT FOR A COUPLE YEARS OR THEY WEREN'T OUT OF STATE APPLICANT. THAT WOULD AS SOON AS WE GOT IT AND GOT THIS WORKED THROUGH BY PRESENTING THEM WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THE TIME IT TAKES THEM TO PROCESS IT, THAT WOULD THEN PUT US WHERE WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE TRAININGS OR EVEN LIKE AGAIN, TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THINGS THROUGH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THAT PERSON CERTIFICATION WAS ACTIVE OR NOT, OR MAKE SURE THEY WERE IN GOOD STANDING IF THEY WERE OUT OF A STATE EMPLOYEE OR APPLICANT. SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS ON ON THOSE BEATS WHEN THOSE PARKS WITHIN REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. YES, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IN MY COMMITTEE IT PARKS AND SUSTAINABILITY. WHEN YOU CAME ON AND WE VOTED, YOU DID ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOU ALL AS AS A DEPARTMENT

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CORRECT. IT'S THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO MANAGE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF CREATING THE AGENCY FROM SCRATCH, TO TRY TO BUILD POLICIES, TO WORK EVERYTHING OUT WITH THE PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOUISVILLE, THE ST OF LOUISVILLE, METRO GOVERNMENT,ORRECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S, I WOULSAY, APPROXIMATELY A 50% REVIEW OF GOING THROUGH AND ESTABLISHING WHICH ES ARE ABSOLUTELY PERTINENT, A USE OF FORCE, WHICH JUST MROS CESS TO THEM. AND THEN AGAIN, IF I HAVE ANOTHER, AT LEAST ANOTHER PERSON, THEN I CAN FOCUS ALMOST SOLELY ON THAT TO TRY TO FINISH THAT UP, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO BALANCE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING OUT AND BEING ACTIVE IN THE PARKS. AND FOR CLARITY, JUST FOR, I THINK, THE BODY TO JUST HAVE A REAL FULL GRASP, UNDERSTANDING. AND BRIDGET, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER FOR ME ESSELL BY MOVING THIS FROM A SPECIAL OFFICER TO TO THE CRS 67, YOU WILL ESSENTIALLY BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS LMPD. ABSOLUTELY. THOSE STANDARDS FOR THE BASIC TRAINING ACADEMY, AS WELL AS THE 40 HOUR IN-SERVICE REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS MANDATORY POLICIES RELATED TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, DRIVERS TRAINING, ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT I GUESS BASICALLY 100% OF THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE STATE ARE HELD TO THROUGH WOULD THEN BE THE STANDARDS THAT THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM WOULD BE HELD TO AS WELL. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMPLE THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING THIS ON AND ESSENTIALLY NOT HOLDING CHIEF BROWN FROM HIS DUTIES THAT WE HAVE HIRED HIM TO DO IN THIS, IN THIS CITY AND ALLOWING US TO MOVE FORWARD. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND REENTER TO THE COUNCIL. SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND RECONVENE THE COUNCIL MEETING. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NO ROLL CALL, PLEASE. AGAIN, JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY, WE ARE VOTING ON THE MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

THAT MEANS WE CANNOT HAVE EXTERNAL PEOPLE SPEAKING ANYMORE. WE WILL RECONVENE THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING. WHEN WE DO THAT. WE CAN STILL DEBATE, BUT WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HAVE SPECIAL GUESTS. SO THAT'S THE VOTE ON THE TABLE. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A ROLL CALL VOTE. I AM AN EYE BECAUSE I CAN'T VOTE FOR MISS MACHINE. MADAM CLERK, YOU SAID YOU. YES, YES, YES, YES. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST MAKING SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER BRATCHER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. HAWKINS. YES, YES. YOU SAID YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHANKLIN. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. HE'S NOT IN HERE. ALRIGHTY. MR. PRESIDENT, PRO TEM TEM, YOU HAVE 17 YES VOTES AND FIVE NO VOTES. THE MOTION PASSES. WE HAVE ADJOURNED THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE HAVE RECONVENED THE COUNCIL MEETING. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO. AS I COMMITTED TO OUR MAIN MOTION QUEUE AS IT IS CURRENTLY. MADAM CLERK, IF NOBODY IN THE QUEUE AT THIS POINT. MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CLEAR THE QUEUE, PLEASE? AS A REMINDER, THE CURRENT QUEUE THAT I HAVE IS COUNCILMAN LINEGAR. COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, COUNCILMAN, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL.

ANYBODY ELSE WHO ADDS THEMSELVES TO THE QUEUE AT THIS POINT WILL BE ADDING THEMSELVES AFTER THAT. OKAY. WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LINEGAR. THANK YOU.

I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED BY OUR DECISION TO TO ADJOURN FROM COMMITTEE. OF THE WHOLE, THERE WAS A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE WITH QUESTIONS. THE ENTIRE POINT OF GOING TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WAS TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. I HAVE 14 WRITTEN DOWN THAT DO NOT REPEAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL QUESTIONS THAT I FEEL LIKE I NEED ANSWERED BEFORE I CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON BEHALF OF MY CONSTITUENTS. THEREFORE,OE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS THE ENTIRE POINT.

OKAY, PUSH THE BUTTON. IT WAS WITHDRAWN, THOUGH. IT WAS WITHDRAWN. YEAH. YES. YEAH, YEAH. THEY WITHDREW THAT. YEAH. SO THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMIT TO COMMITTEE. IS THERE

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CORRECT. OKAY. DON'T TOUCH THE QUEUE. EVERYBODY DO NOT TOUCH THE QUEUE. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON THE MOTION AND THE ONLY THING YOU WILL BE DEBATING IS THE MOTION TO RECOMMIT. WE WILL NOT BE DEBATING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ORDINANCE. WE WILL NOT BE DEBATING AMENDMENTS. WE WILL NOT BE DISCUSSING THE WEATHER. WE WILL ONLY DEBATING WHY THIS SHOULD BE RECOMMITTED. I WILL TAKE RAISE OF HANDS AND I WILL DO A MANUAL. Q RIGHT NOW I HAVE COUNCILMAN LINEGAR AND I HAVE COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW AND PERISH.

RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO GO LINENGER. OKAY. WINKLER. RIGHT. HERNDON I WILL NOW HAVE RYAN HELP ME OUT HERE. AND KEEPING THAT QUEUE GOING AND LETTING ME KNOW WHO'S NEXT. SO COUNCILMAN LINENGER JUST ON THE MOTION TO RECOMMIT AND WHY WE SHOULD DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I WILL NOT ENTER INTO DEBATE ON THE MOTION BEFORE THE MAIN MOTION. WHILE I THOUGHT ALL ALONG THAT MOTION TO RECOMMIT WAS THE MORE PROPER USE OF OUR TIME, IT IS ALREADY 8:00. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE MANY MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME. WE DO EVERY THURSDAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. HOWEVER, WE HAVE ALSO NOW REMOVED FROM OURSELVES THE OPTION TO GO BACK INTO COMMITTEE. OF THE WHOLE.

WE CANNOT, AS JUST AS MADE CLEAR BY THE CLERK, GO BACK INTO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, THE ONLY APPROPRIATE VENUE NOW IN ORDER TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND AGAIN, I HAVE MANY, SOME OF WHICH ARE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS, SOME OF WHICH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT POLICING, SOME OF WHICH WAS ABOUT THE FORM OF HOW THESE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE, HOW MANY SHIFTS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, THINGS I NEED ANSWERED IN ORDER TO VOTE ON THIS LEGISLATION. WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND SO I URGE MEMBERS, PLEASE, CAN WE RECOMMIT SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THIS LEGISLATION THE CONSIDERATION IT REQUIRES? THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. PRO TEM TEM. I FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION. I ACTUALLY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE BACK TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE WERE READY TO VOTE. PEOPLE HAVE THEIR MINDS MADE UP. I ALSO WOULD NOT HAVE SENT IT BACK TO COMMITTEE ORIGINALLY. HOWEVER, NOW THAT WE OPEN THAT DOOR, YOU KNOW, TO CUT THINGS OFF WHILE LIKE IF THE POINT OF OPENING IT UP FOR COMMITTEE WAS SO PEOPLE COULD ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN WE SORT OF CUT OFF WHEN WE HAD A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH QUESTIONS TO ME, SORT OF FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR AND DEFEATS THE PURPOSE. AND WHILE I WAS NOT GOING TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMITTEE ORIGINALLY, I DO THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOW OPENED THAT DOOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILWOMAN PIERCE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO THIRD THAT MOTION, BECAUSE I AM I DID GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED, BUT I DO HAVEE MORE THAT ARE FINANCIAL. DO THEY JOIN THE UNION? YOU KNOW, 67. SEE LIKE HOW THE MAINTENANCE WHAT MAINTENANCE DISTRICT IS DISTRICT THREE IN. BUT I DO APPRECIATE THIS ONE PAGER TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY WOULD BE BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK ANY OF OUR DISTRICT THREE SMALL PARKS WOULD BE INCLUDED. THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL. AND I KNOW THEY TRIED TO ANSWER ALL OF COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPLE'S QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK IT WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO CLOSE THAT PROCESS OFF BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE, AS COUNCILMAN WINKLER SAID, WHERE THEY WERE. BUT THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF WORTHY QUESTIONS, AND THIS IS A HUGE DECISION FOR US AS A BODY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE THIS DECISION, BUT WE WANT TO BE AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE. AS COUNCILMAN LEININGER HAS EXCLAIMED. SO I, LIKE I SAID AGAIN, RECOGNIZE THE PASSION AND THE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO NOT WANT TO TAKE ANY TOOL AWAY FROM CHIEF BROWN. BUT I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE WE HAVE BEEN SWORN IN TO SERVE. SO I DO SUPPORT SENDING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN. HERNDON. NO. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, ABOUT THE VOTE, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO RECOMMIT. SAY IT AGAIN. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ONLY DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD RECOMMIT IT. SO WE'RE NOT DEBATING THE MAIN MOTION. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PARTICULARS OF THE MOTION OR THE PARTICULARS OF THE ORDINANCE. WE'RE JUST DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT TO RECOMMIT IT. SHOULD WE RECOMMIT IT OR NOT? WELL, I WON'T BE IN SUPPORT OF, OF OF IT GOING BACK TO COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THERE WAS A COMMITTEE THAT I LED THAT DAY AND I ASKED ALL MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, AND I ASKED FOR MORE TIME. AND RESPECTFULLY, IF YOU WASN'T UP TO GIVING ANY MORE TIME WHEN I ASKED, I JUST SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU ANY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE

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NOW SAYING THAT, WELL, WE DIDN'T GIVE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WAS NEEDED. WELL, NEXT TIME JUST TELL ME. NO, YOU CAN'T GET THAT MUCH TIME, BUT DON'T WAIT AND THEN THROW IT BACK IN MY FACE WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT. WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS, I COULD HAVE GOT PARKS. I BROUGHT PARKS IN TODAY IN OUR CAUCUS, AND I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT TO SEND THIS BACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU. CHAIR.

TIM. TIM, LET ME JUST CLARIFY. JUST CALL ME COUNCILMAN. JUST KIDDING. SO THANK YOU. SO I AGREE, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. SO I'M I'M IN APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE. I'M NOT IN APPROVAL OF SENDING THIS BACK. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SMALL PARK IN MY DISTRICT, AND IT'S NOT ON THE LIST. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE. IT'S SMALL RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? HOPEFULLY, AS IT GROWS, AS THIS GROWS AND THE DEPARTMENT GROWS, THAT CAN BE INCLUDED. BUT WITH THAT, I KNEW THAT THIS WAS COMING UP, AND I TOOK TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS SO THAT I WAS EDUCATED. SO I WOULD ASK THAT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND IF QUESTIONS AREN'T ASKED THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE ASKED IN COMMITTEE, OR IF IT PUSHES THROUGH COMMITTEE AND YOU STILL HAVE MORE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES HERE TO REACH OUT, TALK TO YOUR SPONSORS, TALK TO THOSE THAT ARE AFFECTED, BUT DO THE DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE COMING TO OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN HUDSON, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. THAT WORKS JUST FINE. THANK YOU.

SO I'VE HEARD A LOT OF WORDS TONIGHT. AGHAST, DISRESPECTFUL. I THINK I AM AGHAST AND IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO HIJACK THIS BODY FOR THE DISINGENUOUS POSTURING THAT'S GOING ON HERE, SAYING THAT PARKS HAS NOT BEEN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. MANY OF US WERE AT THE COUNCIL PICNIC WHEN CHIEF BROWN MADE HIMSELF AVAILABLE THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MICHELLE KING WAS THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DEPUTY MAYOR GEORGE WAS THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WOULD PICK UP THE PHONE IF YOU CALLED THEM TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. THE OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN THERE. THE OPPORTUNITY WAS THERE IN COMMITTEE. IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE IT, THAT'S ON YOU. THE THE TO HIJACK THIS BODY AT THIS TIME.

IS JUST PATENTLY FALSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILMAN. PURPOSE. THANK YOU. WHATEVER YOU ARE. PRO TEM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND COUNCILMAN HUDSON. I THINK IT IS INSENSITIVE TO WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE TO THROW A FIT ON THE COUNCIL FLOOR BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR HOMEWORK. WE ALL GET THESE AGENDAS PRIOR TO MEETINGS. YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP. YOU KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO REACH OUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. IF NOT, YOU NEED TO ATTEND THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND ASK QUESTIONS. AND I THINK IT IS UNFAIR TO DEMAND THAT THIS GO BACK TO COMMITTEE WHEN, AS COUNCILMAN HUDSON AND COUNCILWOMAN JENNY AND COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS SAID, THE OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN THERE, IT'S BEEN PASSED, AND I THINK IT'S JUST INSENSITIVE TO PARKS AND TO CHIEF BROWN TO SEND THIS BACK. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT SENDING THIS BACK. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, THANK YOU. SURE. SORRY. DID YOU NOT KNOW? I SURE WOULD, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LONGER LIST IN FRONT OF ME, I APOLOGIZE, SO I ADDRESSED THIS WHEN I FIRST STARTED TALKING. THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING WENT OVER 25 MINUTES INTO MY MEETING. I WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE WHEN I WAS ASKED IF THIS COULD BE

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BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IN WHICH WE INVITE PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK, AND THAT IS THAT THAT MEETING STARTS AT 5 P.M. AND THAT STARTED AT 530. PEOPLE DID NOT GET OUT OF THIS ROOM UNTIL 7 P.M. AND I RECALL WHEN I SAID YES, THIS SHOULD BE YES.

COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, GO AHEAD AND HEAR THIS IN THE COMMITTEE. COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS TURNED AROUND AND SAID, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG CONVERSATION. IT'S GOING TO GO ALL NIGHT. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE LISTENED TO THIS. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ENTERTAINED THIS. AND AGAIN, YOU ARE RIGHT.

IN THAT MOMENT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ENTERTAINED IT. BUT I ALSO EXPECTED SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES TO ASK QUESTIONS. AT THE VERY LEAST, GIVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY HAD CRAFTED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT MEETING. SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WASTING TIME, WE WASTED THEIR TIME IN PUTTING TOGETHER THAT PRESENTATION. AND I'M SORRY THAT I'M HIJACKING THIS MEETING. I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER. AND THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DRINKING BOURBON WITH YOU IN JOE. I'M SORRY, GEORGE ROGERS, CLARK PARK, COUNCILMAN HUDSON, AND SITTING HERE WHERE THERE'S A CAMERA, THERE'S A CAMERA, THERE'S A CAMERA, THERE'S A CAMERA. HELLO, EVERYONE AT HOME, YOU CAN HEAR THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOUR OWN TWO EARS. I AM NOT HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, PULLING YOU ASIDE AT A PUBLIC CAUCUS MEETING WHERE IF YOU'RE IN THE ROOM, YOU CAN HEAR IT. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT TOO BAD, WE HAVE A DUE DILIGENCE TO THE PUBLIC WHO WE SERVE. AND I'M SITTING HERE IN THIS ROOM, IN ROOM, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEM. SO IF IT'S HIJACKING YOUR NIGHT TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I'M SO SORRY. YOU CAN LEAVE AT ANY TIME. OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. RIGHT NOW. I HAVE COUNCILMAN RENA WEBER. COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILMEMBER MCCRANEY, YOU WANT TO BE IN THE QUEUE? YEAH. OKAY. COUNCILMAN, COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY, BEFORE YOU, WE'RE GOING TO DO PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT SPOKEN YET. SO I'VE GOT CRANIE, AND THEN COUNCILMAN HAWKINS HAS ASKED TO GO BACK IN THE QUEUE. ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS POINT? OKAY, I AM GOING TO ASK. I NOBODY HAS SAID A POINT OF ORDER AT THIS POINT REGARDING THIS, AND WE'VE ALL COME CLOSE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S CROSSED THE LINE, BUT WE'VE ALL GOTTEN PRETTY CLOSE.

WE STICK TO THE ISSUES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO INSULT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS OR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY. I KNOW THAT THIS IS GETTING A LITTLE PASSIONATE.

THAT'S GOOD. LET'S JUST STICK TO AGAIN THE TOPIC, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD RECOMMIT. AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS CROSSED THE LINE. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING THAT I'VE CALLED OUT AT THIS POINT. BUT LET'S LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE DON'T CONTINUE GOING DOWN A PATHWAY WHERE IT DOES NEED TO BE CALLED OUT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND NEXT IS GOING TO BE COUNCILMAN RENA WEBER. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE LINE WHEN PRESIDENT PRO TEM WHATEVER IS COUNSELING US TO CALM DOWN, NOT GET SO EXCITED. DON'T GET PERSONAL. YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS WELL. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THAT. I IT HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS IN THIS AROUND THIS ISSUE. IT DID REACH OUT AND GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S NOT THE POINT. I THINK THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE US THAT ARE TIME URGENT, THAT WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY TO BE LOST, BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IS GOING TO BE MISSED, BECAUSE WE'RE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE. AND IN THOSE MOMENTS, IT MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE FOR US SOMETIMES TO SAY, LISTEN, WE JUST GOT TO GO. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE.

AND WHEN OUR COLLEAGUES ASK FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME SO THAT THEY CAN MORE DEEPLY UNDERSTAND AN ISSUE, OR QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP THAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS ASKED OR THEY THOUGHT OF LATER, THAT'S NOT AN INSULT TO THE COMMISSION TO COMMITTEE. THAT'S NOT ABOUT THAT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THEN. THAT IS ABOUT OUR WILLINGNESS AND ABILITY TO ENGAGE IN COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT ISSUES IN A WAY THAT LETS US COME TO THE BEST CONCLUSIONS. AND I THINK JUST AS A MATTER OF

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THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN, I HAVE ONE MORE PERSON WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN YET. COUNCILMAN OWEN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I I'M I'M GOING TO VOTE TO TO RECOMMIT, BUT ONLY OUT OF RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUE'S REQUEST TO DO SO. I CAME IN TONIGHT FULLY PREPARED TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I HAD ALL MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED PRIOR TO COMING IN. SO I WILL VOTE TO RECOMMIT, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, I WILL DO SO ONLY OUT OF RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A MOTION TO RECOMMIT. THIS IS NORMALLY. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. IF YOU VOTE I ON THE MOTION TO RECOMMIT DEBATE IS OVER TONIGHT. THIS IS GOING BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY. IF YOU VOTE NAY DEBATE THE THE THE MAIN, THE MAIN MOTION WILL STAY ON THE FLOOR.

WE WILL CONTINUE DEBATING UNTIL WE COME TO A RESOLUTION. OKAY. SO I RECOMMIT IT. NO KEEPS IT ON THE FLOOR. I'M SURE THIS VOICE VOTE WOULD NOT BE EASY TO DISCERN. SO, MADAM CLERK,

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PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRATCHER. NO. NO WORRIES. I HAVE YOU AS A NO, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER. HAWKINS. NO. LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK. MAKE SURE I'VE GOT EVERYONE. OKAY? YOU GOT 15 NO VOTES AND NINE YES VOTES. THAT FAILS. SO THE MOTION FAILS. WE ARE NOW BACK ON THE MAIN MOTION. AT THIS POINT, WHAT I HAVE AS FAR AS. THE QUEUE IS COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. COUNCILMAN, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, AND THEN THE QUEUE AND THEN THE QUEUE THAT IS ON. YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF? OKAY. AND THEN THE QUEUE THAT'S ON THE PAGE. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE CURRENTLY. OKAY. COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, COUNCIL QUESTION. THERE'S BEEN A THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOT DEBATABLE. CORRECT. OKAY. IT IS NOT DEBATABLE. ALL THOSE. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CALLING THE QUESTION SAY I, I ALL THOSE OPPOSED. NO. THIS IS A TWO THIRDS VOTE. SO ROLL CALL PLEASE. SO AGAIN EYES WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION NO'S WILL NOT CALL THE QUESTION COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI NO. NOT EVERYONE. ONE SECOND. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE COUNCILMAN CRAMER. OH I SEE. YES. DO IT IS NOT TO APPROVE. IT IS TO CALL THE QUESTION ONLY.

THIS IS ONLY TO THE. THERE WE GO. THIS IS ONLY TO CALL THE QUESTION. THIS IS NOT A MOVEMENT. ON THE MAIN MOTION YOU HAVE 14 YES VOTES AND TEN MOTION FAILS. IT FAILS. OKAY.

WE ARE BACK IN THE QUEUE, COUNCILMAN BARKER. OH, LET ME BEFORE WE GET BACK IN THIS QUEUE, IT HAS TO BE NEW INFORMATION HAS TO BE NEW QUESTIONS. THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP AND NOT REPEATED. OKAY. AND THAT'S NORMAL ORDER. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I JUST MADE UP. OKAY, COUNCILMAN BECKER. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST. ANTHONY, IT'S JUST SIMPLE. I JUST I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT THIS. PUBLIC SAFETY IS IS PRICELESS, I WOULD SAY. AND THE SAFETY IN OUR PARKS IS INVALUABLE. AND WE NEED IT. WE NEED IT TO HAPPEN NOW AND YESTERDAY AND TOMORROW. SO I RECOMMEND AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUPPORT MOVING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HUDSON, ANY NEW INFORMATION? WITHDRAWAL WITHDRAWN.

COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. PRO TEM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOMEONE ON THE COMMITTEE IF LMPD SUPPORTS THIS INITIATIVE AND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, IF ANY. THANK YOU.

OH, I WILL DEFER TO FIRST THE SPONSORS AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. IF ELLEN, YOU WANT TO REPEAT THE QUESTION. COUNCILMAN MCCRANEY.

YES. DOES LMPD SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE? AND IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS, WHAT ARE THEY? THANK YOU. LMPD DOES SUPPORT THIS MEASURE. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY CONCERNS. I DO KNOW THEY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. NEXT IS COUNCILMAN RENA WEBBER. WITH ANY NEW INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS OUT COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL WITH ANY NEW INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS? NO, COUNCILMAN, WITH ANY NEW INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT SYSTEM AND THAT WE ALL TRUST OUR COLLEAGUES TO MAKE MOTIONS, TO ASK QUESTIONS IN COMMITTEE. WE ALL HAVE THE PRIVILEGE AND ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ON COMMITTEES THAT WE DON'T SERVE ON. I SERVE ON FOUR COMMITTEES, AND I SERVE ON EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE. THAT GOES TO THE END OF THE DAY. THIS IS A COMMITMENT THAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES DECLINED TO MAKE. IN FACT, I WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF I WOULD TAKE ON EXTRA COMMITTEES DESPITE IT BEING MY FIRST TERM. AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, IS TO ADDRESS THAT. WHILE WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN ALL COMMITTEES, WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

I WILL REITERATE THAT I HAVE 14 QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED YET, AND I HAVE NO WAY NOW TO GET THIS INFORMATION. EVEN IF I WERE TO ASK ALL OF THESE HERE DIRECTED AT MY

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I CANNOT IN GOOD FAITH SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THESE ANSWERS. AND AGAIN, AS POINTED OUT BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, QUESTIONS ASKED PRIVATELY DO NOT REFLECT GOOD GOVERNANCE. THEY DO NOT REFLECT TRANSPARENCY. THEY DO NOT REFLECT OUR DUTY AS LEGISLATORS. WE DEBATE IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE. WE ASK QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS DESERVE. WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WE DIDN'T HAVE IT. THEN WHEN WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT TONIGHT, WE CHOSE TO FORECLOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MCCRAY. ANYTHING NEW? YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE RECORD. AND THAT IS, WHAT DOES MAYOR GREENBERG THINK OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND DOES HE SUPPORT IT? AND TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I WANT TO ALSO I CAN ASK ANOTHER QUESTION LATER, BUT IF I COULD FIND OUT WHAT THE MAYOR I WILL DEFER TO AGAIN, THE STARTING WITH THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS AND SPONSORS. COUNCILMAN SYME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER? THANK YOU, COUNSELOR, THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR'S STAFF SUPPORTS THIS MEASURE 100%. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. FOLLOW UP. YES? DOES THE RANGER REPORT TO CHIEF OF POLICE, LMPD OR THE PARK DIRECTOR OR THE MAYOR? SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE HAVE ANSWERED THAT WHICH IS THEY REPORT TO PARKS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE REPORTS TO THE MAYOR. I WAS ASKING PARKS DIRECTOR, YES, I BELIEVE. THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE RECORD. SO I'M I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW THE ANSWER. CAN I ANSWER THAT? SURE. YES. CAN I REPORT TO THE EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATOR, BRIDGET FRALEY, WHO IS ALREADY ADDRESSED OUR COUNCIL TONIGHT? THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. COUNCILMAN? PARISH. RIGHT. ANYTHING NEW? THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI. I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THESE THINGS OUT, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO, FOR THE RECORD, SAY THAT ANY QUESTIONING, ANYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE TONIGHT IS LEGAL. IT'S NOT HIJACKING A PROCESS TO GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT WE CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO BY THE COMMUNITY. I HAD QUESTIONS AROUND THE FOUR MAINTENANCE DISTRICT THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET ANSWERED. I HAD A QUESTION AROUND THE STARTING SALARY. I HAD A QUESTION AROUND OF THE ARREST. HAVE THEY ALL BEEN HOMELESS PEOPLE? I KNOW THAT CHIEF BROWN SPOKE ON IT DIDN'T OVERLAP WITH HOUSE BILL FIVE, BUT I WANTED TO SEE THAT DISTINCTION. DO WILL THESE FOLKS BELONG TO THE UNION? AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS AROUND REMOVING THE SPECIAL POLICE DESIGNATION MEANS THAT REGULAR, EVERYDAY PEOPLE, IF THE QUALIFICATION. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TRAINED.

BUT THE GENERAL QUALIFICATIONS OF BEING 21, HAVING A GED, OPENED A WIDER POOL OF SUPPORT OF PEOPLE WHO COULD APPLY FOR THIS POSITION, MOVING IT UNDER THE CRS 67 CHANGES IT AND MAKES IT A LITTLE HARDER FOR EVERYDAY YOUNGER PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT WANT TO BE ENGAGED IN THEIR COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY, TO BE A PART OF THAT. SO ALL OF THESE REASONS ARE WHY I'M A PRESENT VOTE, NOT TO DISRESPECT THE PROCESS OR NOT ASK THE QUESTIONS. EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. MY SONS COMPLETED THEIR WHOLE DAY OF SCHOOL AND WRESTLING PRACTICE, AND THEY'RE SITTING IN THAT OFFICE RIGHT ACROSS FROM HERE. SO WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND WE'RE MAKING A DECISION THAT WILL IMPACT OUR COUNTY. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR LEADERSHIP TONIGHT OF GIVING AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. AND I AND I SAW THEM OUT THERE FINE YOUNG MEN DOING A GOOD JOB OUT THERE. SO APPRECIATE THEIR PATIENCE. COUNCILMAN LINEAGE OR ANYTHING.

NO. OKAY. OKAY. WHO KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE LONGEST DEBATE TONIGHT? BUT I HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. SOLD. SO WE'RE ON THE MAIN MOTION. THIS

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ITEM 48, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING AND FORM DISTRICT OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 42, 15 AND 4217 EAST INDIAN TRAIL, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.1 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 25 0013. ITEM 49, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE CLOSURE OF UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAY LOCATED WITHIN THE PARCEL AT 401 EAST GRAY STREET, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 10,360FT■!S AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO. CASE NUMBER 25. STREET CLOSURE 011. ITEM 50.

AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OPTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 917 SOUTH CLAY STREET, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.1 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO. CASE NUMBER 25 830011. ITEM 51 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $500,000 FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, NATIAL PARK SEICE, THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS GRANT PROGRAM FOR PHASE THREE OF THE QUINN CHAPEL AME CHURCH STABILIZATION PROJECT, TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF PLANNING. THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATION IS ASSIGNED TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. ITEM 52 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $1 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, FEMA, FOR THE ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT PROGRAM, AND UP TO $86,364 FROM THE CABINET FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SAID THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT, RESOURCES ACCELERATING NEEDED TRANSFORMATION GRANT PROGRAM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE LOUISVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATION IS ASSIGNED TO PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE. ITEM 53, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS ONE, 16.021, 16.031, 16.10 AND 116 .13 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING COMMUNICATION SERVICES READ IN FULL. NEXT, WE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCIL PERSON WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS IS COUNCILWOMAN

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