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WELCOME TO E REGULAR MEETING FOR GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT. ACCOUNTABILITY. I AM THE CHAIRPERSON, COUNCILWOMAN DONNA PURVIS. I AM JOINED VIRTUALLY BY MY CO-CHAIR, ANTHONY PALATI.[Roll Call]
I'M JOINED VIRTUALLY BY COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS IN CHAMBERS. WE HAV COUNCILMAN, COCI CIL COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILMAN SCOTT REED. WE HAVE A PRETTY BUSY AGENDA TODAY. SO TODAY WE ARE GOING TO START OFF. OH. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE DISCLAIMER? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO CR 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ALSO HAVE JOINED WITH US. COUNCILWOMAN PARIS WRIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND WE'RE KIND OF ON A TIME LIMIT. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE FINAL REPORT OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING INVESTIGATION. THOSE THAT ARE[1. ID 25-0417 FINAL REPORT OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING INVESTIGATION: Jodi Renn, Dean Dorton]
HERE REPRESENTING LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? HELLO.COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU JUST WANT ME TO MOVE FORWARD.
YES, MADAM. SHERIFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I JUST TEE THIS UP REAL QUICK, PLEASE. WOULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF? YES. JODI WREN. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. MADAM CHAIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. I SAID YES, SIR. OKAY, GOOD. SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE. SO JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THOSE IN CHAMBERS, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A YEAR AGO NOW OR MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER THAN THAT. THERE WAS A RESOLUTION PASSED BY THIS COUNCIL TO INVESTIGATE THE LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT WAS CO-SPONSORED, FOR EXAMPLE, BY, AT THE TIME, COUNCILMAN COREY ARTHUR, AMONGST OTHERS, WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THE ISSUES GOING ON AT SOME OF OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS.
AND COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND MANY OTHERS WERE WERE BIG ON THIS. AND SO WE INITIATED THIS INVESTIGATION. THE BIGGEST PORTION OF THIS WAS TO CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY'S PROCEDURES AND TO GIVE A TO GIVE AN INDEPENDENT VIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO WE CONTRACTED WITH OUR SPEAKER TODAY, MISS WREN AND HER ORGANIZATION, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. WE HAD MANY MAY REMEMBER WE HAD AN INTERIM REPORT OUT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AND THIS IS THEN THE FINAL REPORT. AND WE'VE ATTACHED THAT REPORT TO THE RECORD. SO EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THAT AS WELL. BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE MISS WREN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS HER FINDINGS. AND THEN THAT WILL BE ENTERED IN THE RECORD. AND THEN I BELIEVE MISS ROGAN FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY
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IS IN ATTENDANCE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THEY COME UP. BUT WITH THAT SAID, MISS MADAM CHAIR, IF WE CAN HAND IT OFF TO MISS WREN TO TALK ABOUT HER FINDINGS AND PRESENT FROM HERE.THANK YOU. I'M SORRY MA'AM. PLEASE PROCEED. YES. NO PROBLEM. GOOD EVENING. AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY AGAIN. MY NAME IS JODI WREN, AND I'M WITH THE CONSULTING FIRM OF DEAN DORTON. AND WE RESPONDED TO AN RFP IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MCNARY GROUP TO PERFORM THIS INVESTIGATION INTO LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY. THIS INVESTIGATION KIND OF FOCUSED ON WHERE LM WAS PRIOR TO AND WHAT CAUSED THE DESIRE TO HAVE THIS WHAT WAS THE CURRENT STATE AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING, AND TO TRY TO VALIDATE SOME OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE. TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, BETWEEN 22 AND 23, YOU KNOW, LMA HAD REACHED A REALLY CRITICAL BREAKING POINT. D'OSCAR MANOR HAD BEEN LIKE HAD FAILED SEVERAL INSPECTIONS, THE FINAL SCORE BEING LIKE A DEVASTATING LIKE 56 OUT OF 100 RESIDENTS WERE LIVING IN WHAT WAS CONSIDERED PRETTY WIDESPREAD, WIDESPREAD, DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS AND THE SITUATION BECAME VERY DIRE. SO THE COUNCIL RIGHTFULLY, YOU KNOW, CALLED, CALLED US TO HAVE US OR DID THE RFP TO HAVE US COME IN AND KIND OF LOOK AT THIS PROCESS. HOWEVER, I'M PLEASED TO SHARE THAT THROUGH OUR INVESTIGATION, WE MET WITH MHA STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS EVERY TWO WEEKS. THEY PROVIDED US MULTIPLE VOLUMES OF DOCUMENTATION WITH REGARDS TO CURRENT RESULTS FROM INSPECTIONS THAT WERE BEING PERFORMED. WE INTERVIEWED SEVERAL RESIDENTS THROUGH THE RESIDENT COUNCILS.
WE INTERVIEWED WITH MAINTENANCE STAFF, MAINTENANCE SUPERVISORS AND A MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR AND MET WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE TIME EVERY TWO WEEKS AND MET WITH ELIZABETH AS NECESSARY, AND THEN CONTINUED TO MEET WITH COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS WELL. AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH VOLUMES OF DOCUMENTATION IN THE. IN THAT TIME, MHA WAS MOVING FORWARD.
THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF THINGS TO THEY WEREN'T WAITING ON ANYTHING. THEY WERE JUST MOVING FORWARD. THEY DID A COMPREHENSIVE RESTRUCTURING OF THEIR ORGANIZATION, HIRING SOME KEY LEVEL POSITIONS AS THEIR DIRECTORY DIRECTOR OF DIRECTOR. OKAY. AND I CANNOT SAY IN THE WORD CORRECTLY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE OPERATIONS THERE, LEASED HOUSING. THEY BROUGHT IN A DATA ANALYST TO HELP THEM WITH CREATING SOME KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS SO THAT THEY COULD MONITOR THE MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS. THEY HAD A FULL AIR OR HUMAN RESOURCES EVALUATION OF THE ORGANIZATION, PUT TOGETHER A STRATEGIC PLAN, BEGAN UPDATING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND THROUGHOUT THIS TIME WE TALKED WITH THEM, WE MET WITH THEM. WE READ MANY OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAD SHARED, AND UPON LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE DOING AND SEEING NOT ONLY IMPROVEMENTS, JUST IN THE MORALE, THEY MOVED THEIR OFFICES TO A BETTER LOCATION.
THEY RECEIVED HIGHER, HIGHER INSPECTION RESULTS ON SOME RECENT INSPIRE. WE KIND OF COMPARED SOME RECENT AND INSPIRE, WHICH IS THE HUD EVALUATIONS OF PROPERTY THAT WERE DONE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO WHAT HAD BEEN DONE MAYBE 4 TO 5 YEARS AGO, AND SAW SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT, WHICH SHOWS THAT THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE LEVEL OF INTENTION THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN IMPROVING THE RESIDENT EXPERIENCE WAS DEFINITELY ON THE UPWARD SWING. SO AFTER ALL OF THAT, WE BEGAN LOOKING AT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SYSTEMIC THINGS THAT CAN KEEP THEM ON THAT TRAJECTORY IN LIGHT OR IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY WERE ALREADY DOING? SO WE IDENTIFIED SIX KEY RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS SOME GAPS THAT WE SAW. FIRST, WE RECOMMEND ESTABLISHING A COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY THAT INCLUDES, LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISONS, REGULAR COMMUNITY FORUMS, AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE HIRED A RESIDENT LIAISON THAT WORKS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL COUNCILS, WHICH I THINK IS A OBVIOUSLY A BIG KEY STEP.
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SECOND, THEY NEED A COMPREHENSIVE SUCCESSION PLANNING. THEY HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE WORKED FOR THE AGENCY FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND COULD BE SEEING SOME RETIREMENT COME DOWN. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, AS ANYBODY THAT WORKS IN BUSINESS, THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME GOOD SUCCESSION PLANNING, WHICH INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, STRONG. STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE MOVE ON, PEOPLE THAT ARE ROLLING INTO THOSE POSITIONS CAN FOLLOW THOSE AND KEEP THINGS MOVING FORWARD. WE RECOMMEND ALSO CREATING A COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY FRAMEWORK, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MONTHLY BUDGET VARIANCE REPORTS, CASH FLOW PROJECTIONS, AND MAYBE EVEN A PUBLIC DASHBOARD SHOWING SOME OF THOSE KEY FINANCIAL METRICS. FOURTH WAS LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A CRISIS MANAGEMENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROTOCOLS WITH EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS AND STANDARDIZING THE PROCEDURES AND THEN REGULAR TRAINING EXERCISES. SO IT'S ONE THING TO ACTUALLY CREATE SOME DISASTER RECOVERY OR CONTINUITY PLANS, BUT HAVING THOSE TABLE EXERCISES SO THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY GAPS IN THOSE PROCESSES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IS A REALLY GOOD BEST PRACTICE TO FOLLOW. FIFTH, THE AGENCY ALSO COULD USE A SYSTEMATIC RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK AND RESPONSE ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORK WITH PERIODIC SATISFACTION SURVEYS. AND THEN MAYBE LOOKING AT ANNUAL. WE TALKED WITH ELIZABETH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A STATE OF A HOUSING REPORT OR YOU ASKED AND WE ACTED. WHAT WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IS THAT THEY'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE, BUT SOMETIMES FEEL THAT THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON A LIST IF THEY PUT IN A REQUEST. AND SOMETIMES I THINK THERE'S SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THERE, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE THAT APTITUDE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CHECK THAT TECHNOLOGY OR ARE THERE MULTIPLE WAYS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THROUGH A COMMUNICATE TO THE RESIDENTS WHERE THEY ARE ON A LIST OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN DONE. AND THEN FINALLY, WE RECOMMEND ESTABLISHING SUPPORT SERVICES PLAN TO ADDRESS THE GROWING DEMAND AMONG RESIDENTS FOR SERVICES BEYOND BASIC HOUSING, INCLUDING EXPANDED PARTNERSHIPS AND ADVOCACY FOR INCREASED FUNDING FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES. IN TALKING WITH THE STAFF, WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE LEARNED AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THE RESIDENTS NOT ONLY NEED HOUSING, BUT THEY SOMETIMES, IN MANY CASES, NEED THE SERVICES TO HELP THEM GET THROUGH THE TOUGH TIMES THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH. AND WHILE A JOB IS TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING, YOU CAN'T DECOUPLE THAT TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING ON OR THE TRAUMA THAT THEY'RE BRINGING INTO THE UNITS AND LIVING IN, YOU KNOW, HOUSING WHERE YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS UP, DOWN, YOU KNOW, BESIDE YOU, BEHIND YOU, ETC. SO TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THOSE AGENCIES OR FIND SOME PERMANENT FUNDING THAT COULD HELP THEM MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE RESIDENTS IS, I THINK, ALSO KEY. SO WHAT I SHARE WITH YOU TODAY IS I FEEL LIKE OUR INVESTIGATION CONFIRMS THAT MHA HAS DEMONSTRATED THE ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY TO RECOVER FROM THE CRISIS. FOR ONCE, THEY WERE IN AND IMPLEMENT MEANINGFUL OPERATIONAL REFORMS. THE IMPROVEMENT IN THE INSPECTION SCORE SCORES IS JUST ONE INDICATOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DATA DRIVEN MECHANISMS. THAT'S NOT ONLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WORK ORDERS ARE BEING COMPLETED, BUT VACANCY RATES, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE READINESS FOR UNITS AS THEY DO BECOME VACANT. BUT WITH THAT SUSTAINABLE TRANSFORMATION REQUIRES EVEN MORE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS. IT DEMANDS SYSTEMATIC OVERSIGHT MECHANISMS, WHICH CAN BE PROVIDED THROUGH THEIR BOARD THAT THEY WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS TO HOPEFULLY PREVENT A FUTURE CRISIS AND ENSURE THAT THEY CAN SERVE THE LOUISVILLIANS MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. SO WE DEFINITELY ACKNOWLEDGE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN TO DATE, INCLUDING THAT COMPREHENSIVE AIR AUDIT, THE ORGANIZATIONAL RESTRUCTURING, THE ENHANCED RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES, THE GAPS TO REDUCE THE MAINTENANCE OR TO INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE, RESPONSIVENESS, COMMUNICATION, TRANSPARENCY.THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT WITH OUR INTERVIEWS THAT WERE DONE IN THE SPRING WITH RESIDENTS AND STAFF, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED. AND I KNOW FROM MEETING WITH THE STAFF THAT THEY ARE ON BOARD AND WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THOSE RESIDENTS. SO LOOKING FOR MHA HAS A, YOU KNOW, LONG PATH IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT I THINK THEY
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HAVE THE TEAM IN PLACE TO GET WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND COLLABORATING WITH STAKEHOLDERS REGULARLY, EVALUATING THAT PROGRESS THROUGH CLEAR METRICS, ADAPTING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES CAN CONTINUE TO HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD. SO IN CONCLUSION, WHILE WE BELIEVE THAT MHA IS IN A IS ON A POSITIVE TRAJECTORY WITH MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENTS IN NOT ONLY COMPLIANCE OPERATIONS AND STRATEGIC PLANNING, WE KNOW THAT THE LONG TERM SUCCESS OF THE AGENCY IS ITS ABILITY TO SERVE RESIDENTS, EFFECTIVELY MEETING THEM WHERE THEY ARE SO THAT THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCES REFLECTS THE WORK THAT'S BEING PUT IN. WE BELIEVE THE ORGANIZATION HAS ESTABLISHED A GREAT FOUNDATION THAT WILL TRANSLATE INTO THE VISION THAT THEY'VE CREATED THROUGH THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN, AND JUST RECOMMEND THAT THEY LOOK AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS SERIOUSLY AND SEE HOW THEY CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO WRAP UP AFTER JODY'S PRESENTATION HERE AND SAY A FEW THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK HER AND HER TEAM FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THEY PUT IN TO DELIVER THIS PRODUCT. I THINK IT'S BOTH VALIDATES THE HISTORY OF PROBLEMS, BUT ALSO THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I WANT TO PUT IN CONTEXT THAT THE DITCH THAT LMA HAD DRIVEN THEMSELVES INTO TOOK YEARS TO GET THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO FULLY DIG OUT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE AUDIT DOES SPELL OUT THAT WE HAVE NEW LEADERSHIP.THAT NEW LEADERSHIP, AS JODY SAID, IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND I DO WANT TO REFLECT. DIRECTOR TROJAN AND HER TEAM'S PARTNERSHIP THROUGH THIS. THEY WERE RESPONSIVE TO REQUESTS. THEY WORKED WITH JODY AND HER TEAM VERY WELL TO ENSURE THAT SHE HAD ACCESS TO DOCUMENTS, ACCESS TO PEOPLE, AND I WAS THOROUGHLY CONVINCED THAT WE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, HAD ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED TO GET A GOOD REPORT OUT HERE. SO I ECHO JODY'S COMMENTS HERE THAT A LOT HAS BEEN DONE. I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE NEW LEADERSHIP OF MHA, BUT THERE'S MORE TO DO. AND I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE. THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGES QUICKLY AS WE'D LIKE TO. BUT WHEN YOU'RE MOVING AN ORGANIZATION OF THAT SIZE AND SCOPE, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TURN ON A DIME. SO I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL NEED TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON, CONTINUE THE OPEN DIALOG WITH DIRECTOR JAN AND HER TEAM. BUT I APPRECIATE JODY AND HER WORK, APPRECIATE THE DIRECTOR AND THE NEW DIRECTION THAT LMA IS GOING IN, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE PUTTING OUR FOOT TO THE FLOOR TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD HOUSING AUTHORITY OPERATING PROPERLY FOR THE PEOPLE IT SERVES. SO THANK YOU AGAIN AND THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, FOR GIVING US THE TIME TODAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WANT TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN PAGANINI. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK. YOU KNOW, WITH YOU WORKING WITH JODY. JODY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. ELIZABETH IS ONE OF THE DIRECTORS THAT HAS. I THINK THAT SHE IS LIKE, I CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND I CAN CALL ELIZABETH FOR ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING. I DON'T CARE WHAT TIME OF THE MORNING IT IS. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. BUT I JUST CANNOT LEAVE A FEW THINGS OUT. OKAY? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BRING UP D'OSCAR MANOR, YOU KNOW, I WENT INSIDE THOSE HOMES. I TALKED TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, LMA PROPERTIES. THAT WAS IN MY DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, I WENT IN THERE AND I TALKED TO THOSE PEOPLE. I DID MY OWN INVESTIGATION EVEN BEFORE THIS INVESTIGATION TEAM CAME ALONG.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT STILL. AND ELIZABETH IS WELL AWARE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS.
AND I HAVE TO KEEP ELIZABETH ABREAST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A HUGE ISSUE IN THE PAST. THERE'S NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SET OF LENSES TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, JODY, THAT YOU SAID THAT CONCERNED ME WAS. YOU SAID THAT. SOMETHING ABOUT THE DATA, THE RESTRUCTURE OF IT
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YOU AGREE WITH. I DON'T THE REASON THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THE RESTRUCTURING PROCESS IS BECAUSE SENIORS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF TECHNOLOGY ARE NOT PRIVY TO BEING ABLE TO WALK IN TO LMA LIKE THEY USED TO. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS NOT COMPUTER SAVVY. YOU KNOW, I GOT A GRANDMOTHER THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ON SECTION EIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND SHE'S 89. SHE'S NOT PRIVY TO KNOWING HOW TO SCAN HER PAPERWORK IN AND SENDING IT TO YOU ALL. A LOT OF THINGS STILL ARE BEING LOST. THE RTA PAPERWORK THAT PEOPLE ARE TURNING IN TO THE BOX THAT SIT OUTSIDE OF LMA, THE PAPERWORK IS STILL CONTINUING TO BE LOST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO WALK IN AND SAY, HERE, HERE GOES MY PAPERWORK. AND IT GETS STAMPED SAYING THAT THEY RECEIVED IT AND POSSIBLY BEING GIVEN A COPY BACK, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE SECTION EIGHT LIST IS CLOSED. IT'S BEEN STOPPED, RIGHT? A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING KICKED OFF OF SECTION EIGHT ONE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR PAPERWORK. OR YOU HAVE CASE MANAGERS THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, WE DIDN'T GET THAT. WELL, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF JOB TO BELIEVE HER EMPLOYEES OR YOU OCHRACEA OR ANYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BELIEVE.IF SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, WE DIDN'T GET IT. WE ALL KNOW THAT PAPERWORK GETS LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. OKAY. IT'S BEEN SOME SERIES THAT INSPECTIONS PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT INSPECTING THE UNITS IN THE SYSTEM. IT'LL SAY IT FAILED ON THEIR PAPERWORK. IT'LL SAY THEY PASSED. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT, AND IT JUST DOESN'T GO HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT THE MAYOR SAYS. HIS INITIATIVE IS. IF HIS INITIATIVE IS THAT WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS ON THIS PAGE SAYING, OH, WE NEED MORE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN WHY ARE WE KICKING PEOPLE OFF OF SECTION EIGHT IF THEY MEET THE GUIDELINES? BUT THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR PAPERWORK IN IN A TIMELY MANNER, OR I KNOW HUD ALSO HAS GUIDELINES, BUT I MEAN, SECTION EIGHT LIKE IS A SYNONYM. IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK IN. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THEY HAVE TO SCAN THEIR PAPERWORK IN OR THEY HAVE TO DROP IT OFF IN THE MAIL. AND I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A IT IS JUST A TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, BAD PROCESS. BUT I AM SEEING IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT NEED THESE TYPE OF SERVICES. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED THOSE EXTRA SERVICES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY, THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERAPY, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THESE SERVICES THAT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT LMA IS SAYING THAT THEY NEED ON SITE.
THEY DO NEED THEM ON SITE, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T GO HAND IN HAND. YOU NEED THEM ON SITE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THESE PROGRAMS JUST ARE NOT ABLE TO GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE PAPERWORK OR, YOU KNOW, OR JUST DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHAT YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED.
YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO SAY THIS. YOU DON'T KNOW. I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROGRAM BEFORE. YOU KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T STAY ON IT. I USED THE PROGRAM AS A STEPPING STONE. BUT IT IS SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH THE PAPERWORK OR THEY HAVE TO SEND THE EMAIL AND FOLLOW UP. A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST AREN'T GOOD WITH THAT. AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR SECTION EIGHT TO BABYSIT THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM EXTRA SERVICES, LET THOSE BE THOSE EXTRA SERVICES, SERVICES THAT ARE GOING TO HELP, BECAUSE IN A MINUTE, WE'RE OUR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IS GOING TO BE EVEN BIGGER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW. BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DATA OF PEOPLE THAT HAS BEEN KICKED OFF SECTION
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EIGHT SINCE IT'S BEEN RESTRUCTURED. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN REED. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING. YOU HAD MENTIONED THE INSPECTION SCORES AS HAVING DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED. CORRECT. ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR RANDOM INSPECTIONS? BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE LEARNED OR LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I WORKED IN RESTAURANTS WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, IS IF YOU KNEW SOMEBODY WAS COMING, THEN THE PLACE GOT AND SPAN AND REALLY NICE AND CLEAN, BUT THEN THAT WAS MORE AN INDICATOR OF HOW THINGS REALLY WERE. BUT IS THERE A REGULAR SCHEDULE FOR RANDOM INSPECTIONS? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY NOT ONLY DO THEY DO SELF INSPECTIONS, THEN HUD COMES IN AND DOES THEIR INSPECTIONS BASED ON THEIR SCHEDULE THAT EVERY TWO, THREE OR 4 OR 5 YEARS, WHATEVER THEIR ONGOING SCHEDULE IS. SO THEY DO INTERNAL INSPECTIONS. AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT WERE HUD REPORTS. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT THIRD PARTY INSPECTION, NOT THE INTERNAL INSPECTIONS. OKAY. SO THAT YOU YOU WERE REPORTING BACK ON THE HUD INSPECTIONS, OKAY. AND THOSE ARE INTERMITTENT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.YEAH. NO PROBLEM. I'M SORRY I FAIL TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN KRAMER IN THE IN THE CHAMBERS.
COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MISS BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE. I, I JUST WANT TO SAY EVERY WORD THAT COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS SAID. I FELT, AND I'VE SEEN MY MOTHER LIVED IN DOCTOR MANOR FOR SIX YEARS, AND I'VE DEFINITELY HAVE NAVIGATED THROUGH THE MANY SYSTEMS TO GET SUSTAINABLE AND PERMANENT HOUSING. SO I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL AND A COMMUNITY LEVEL. MY CONCERN WHEN I MET WITH DIRECTOR STROMAN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT. WHERE OSCAR MANOR IS PRIME REAL ESTATE. IT'S RIGHT IN THE HOSPITAL CURVE. WE HAVE A UNIQUE DESIGN FOR OUR CITY, AND THERE WAS ADVANTAGES FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND OUR SENIORS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE. THERE'S A IT'S ON A MAJOR BUS ROUTE AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS. AND SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND RELOCATION REPLACEMENT. I WONDER, DID ANY OF YOUR REPORTS LOOK AT THE DOLLAR SPENT? AND I KNOW THIS WORK FROM DOING IT IN OVER THE RHINE, WHERE THEY WERE RECEIVING ABOUT $8,000 PER PERSON, 8 TO 9000 TO REPLACE THEM, BUT ENDED UP SPENDING ANYWHERE FROM 750 TO 1000. SO I WANTED TO SEE, DOES YOUR REPORT TALK ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT FOR PEOPLE BEING RELOCATED? WHAT DOLLARS ARE SPENT PER RESIDENT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN YOUR PURVIEW. THE OTHER THING IS THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING COMING BACK ONLINE FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TAKING THE VOUCHERS, WHERE WHERE DO YOU SEE THE PEOPLE GOING AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE HOUSING THAT'S ALREADY THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW I WAS IN THE BUILDING WHEN I MET WITH THE DIRECTOR, AND I KNOW THAT THAT BUILDING WAS ONE OF THE BETTER BUILDINGS, BUT IT STILL HAD A LOT OF ISSUES. SO I UNDERSTAND THE MOVEMENT OF THE OFFICE. BUT AS COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS HAS EXPLAINED, WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE DIGITAL DIVIDE WE HAVE IN OUR CITY AND IN OUR STATE, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARD. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING POVERTY AT THAT LEVEL ARE NOT ACCESSING TECHNOLOGY AT THE SAME RATE. SO DID YOU LOOK AT HOW THE FOLKS ARE ABLE TO STAY IN TOUCH AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS SO THAT THEY CAN TRANSITION? AND THEN MY LAST PART OF IT IS THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNGER DISABLED PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY SENIORS, BUT THEY QUALIFY FOR THAT KIND OF HOUSING. AND WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING, PERIOD. WE ALSO HAVE A SHORTAGE, SHORTAGE OF HOUSING FOR THE DISABLED. AND DID YOU FACTOR ANY OF THAT INTO YOUR REPORTING? BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALSO HAD, IN SOME SPACES, SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS TO DEAL WITH. SO JUST THAT JUST SOME. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT, BUT KNOW WHAT YOU CAN ANSWER. SO WITH REGARDS TO D'OSCAR MANOR, SINCE THE DECISION HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE TO DEMOLISH AND RELOCATE, WE THAT WAS NOT WITHIN OUR SCOPE. SO WE DID NOT LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT DECISION HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE. WITH REGARDS TO THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS THE DIGITAL. THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION WAS, SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT DECISION WAS MADE. THERE'S NOT A ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT. WE KNOW THERE WILL BE A CONCENTRATION OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE GOING TO OTHER, OTHER LOCATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY, AND THEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO WITH THE VOUCHERS. DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THOSE THINGS? GOT IT. SO AGAIN, SINCE THE DECISION HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE TO RELOCATE AND THOSE PLANS COMING ON, WE DID NOT EVALUATE LIKE THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT. WHAT WE DID HEAR IN SOME OF OUR INTERVIEWS, I BELIEVE, IS THROUGH SOME OF THE PEOPLE WE INTERVIEWED, THAT THEY WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THE NEW HOUSING THEY WERE IN. SO I'M SURE THERE'S
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GOING TO BE A LITTLE OF BOTH OF THAT. SO I THINK WITH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS HAVING THAT FEEDBACK LOOP WITH RESIDENTS, BECAUSE I KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, WITH BEECHER TERRACE, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, GIVING PREFERENCE TO PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO THAT AREA. WELL, PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK BECAUSE THEY LIKED WHERE THEY WERE. SO IT YOU KNOW, I THINK AND THAT WAS JUST THAT PARTICULAR SPEECH. SO I THINK HAVING THAT FEEDBACK LOOP AND TALKING TO RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY, AS YOU KNOW, ONCE D'OSCAR MANOR IS COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED AND THE REPLACEMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING UNITS IN THAT SPOT, IT'S JUST NOT THE 600, WHICH IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND LOOKING AT WE DID LOOK AT LIKE WHAT? SIMILAR CITIES WE'RE DOING AND THEY'RE MOST OF THEM ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT CONGREGATE HOUSING, LIKE WHAT WAS WANTED IN THE 50S AND THE 60S IS NOT WHAT'S WANTED TODAY. SO TRYING TO KEEP IN LINE WITH UPDATING THAT. SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING, TALKED TO COLUMBUS, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER CITY THAT WE SPOKE TO, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT CONGREGATE HOUSING IS NOT BEING REPLACED, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A HUD INITIATIVE. SO THAT'S SO WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT NOT HOW HOW ARE THEY DOING. BUT I THINK THAT FEEDBACK LOOP IS GOING TO BE WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE MEETING THOSE NEEDS. AND THEN AGAIN, WITH REGARDS TO THE LAST PART WAS AROUND THE EXPENDITURES PER RELOCATION FOR WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE RENT HAS WENT UP IN A LOT OF PLACES. AND AS SOMEBODY THAT WAS A FORMER RECIPIENT, I KNOW THAT ONLY SO MUCH GETS PAID. SO HOW IS THAT HOW HOW HAS THAT BEEN COMPARED? IS THERE A SPECIAL ALLOTMENTS OF PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF CONCENTRATED AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUBSIDY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RESIDENTS ARE GIVEN THE CHOICE SO THEY'RE NOT TOLD WHERE TO GO. SO THEY LAY ALL THAT OUT AND TRY TO DO THEIR BEST TO FIND THEM AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO FIT. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE THEIR RENT IS BASED ON THEIR INCOME AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS WHAT IT WAS WHEN THEY WERE AT D'OSCAR. SO IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT THEIR OUT OF POCKET ANYMORE BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE COVERED BY WHATEVER SUBSIDY IS MOVING WITH THEM. SO I DON'T AND I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE CHOICES. SO THEY'RE NOT BEING TOLD THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING. THEY'RE PRESENTED, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. AND THEN BASED ON THE LOCATION, THE RESIDENT CAN CHOOSE OR NOT CHOOSE. OKAY. JUST TO FOLLOW UP, MADAM CHAIR, THE LAST PART OF THAT IS ARE THEY GIVING MORE FUNDING AND OR SPECIAL ALLOTMENT FOR IF THEY'RE MOVING OUT OF THOSE CONCENTRATED AREAS. SO LIKE IN A ONE BEDROOM IN PORTLAND IS DIFFERENT FROM A ONE BEDROOM THAT IS CLOSE TO NEWBURGH? MAYBE. SO IT HAS THERE BEEN THAT KIND OF CONVERSION FOR THOSE FOLKS? YEAH. THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR EVALUATION. THANK YOU. ELIZABETH IS HERE IF YOU WANT HER TO ANSWER THAT. IF SHE COULD ANSWER THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU.HEY, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. SO THE FOLKS WHO ARE RELOCATING. HEY.
WHAT? OH, HI. ELIZABETH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY. SO EVERYONE THAT'S RELOCATING EITHER IS MOVING TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HOUSING SITE OR MOVING TO A PRIVATE UNIT WITH A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER. BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS, RESIDENTS PAY NO MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON RENT. WITHIN THE SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED SMALL AREA FAIR MARKET RENTS. SO WE ARE ABLE TO PAY OUT OF OUR SUBSIDY MORE IN AN AREA THAT HAS HIGHER RENTS WITHIN LIMITS. I MEAN, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE LIMITS THAT ARE SET BY HUD ON HOW MUCH WE CAN SPEND. BUT THE RENT SHOULD NOT CHANGE FOR FOLKS. AND PART OF THE RELOCATION IS MAKING SURE FOLKS UNDERSTAND, IF YOU'RE MOVING FROM US AS A LANDLORD TO A DIFFERENT KIND OF LANDLORD, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO. WE'LL GIVE YOU A UTILITY ALLOWANCE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT AND PAY YOURSELF. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE MOVING. SO AND WE CAN GET YOU INFORMATION ON THE COST OF THE RELOCATION. WE CAN GET YOU INFORMATION ON WHERE FOLKS ARE MOVING, HAPPY TO SIT WITH YOU AND GO THROUGH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT TO WANT TO OVERSEE THAT PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S A LOT FOR PEOPLE. OKAY. EITHER. COUNCILMAN WEBER, I'LL BE EXTREMELY BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A BIT OF AN AGENDA. FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE BEEN BEATING THE DRUM ON THIS FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE RESULT OF PEOPLE BEING REALLY WILLING TO SPEND THEIR TIME TO HIGHLIGHT THESE ISSUES. I THINK ABOUT THE TIME THAT COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, COUNCILWOMAN SHANKLIN, AND PARISH. RIGHT, PURVIS MCCRANEY, PUT INTO BEING PHYSICALLY PRESENT, TALKING TO BOTH RESIDENTS AND MEDIA AND JUST GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THIS HAPPENED. AND I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO COUNCILWOMAN PIAGENTINI, WHO WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SOME OF THESE, THESE AUDITS AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO JUST LIKE THIS IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER
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GOVERNMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT IS NOT OFTEN THAT AN AUDIT REPORT STARTS WITH A LONG, LYRICAL LIST OF APPLAUDING THINGS ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEING AUDITED. SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS A REAL STATEMENT OF THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AND THE EFFECTS OF THAT. YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN ON THE RECEIVING END OF AUDITS BEFORE, I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THAT SO WELL DONE. AND THE FINAL THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WHILE I'M SUPER APPRECIATIVE OF ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS AND PIECES THERE, THE PIECE THAT I HEAR VERY CLEARLY IS A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS. TO BE REALLY INTENTIONALLY LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS AND THEN BEING CENTERED AROUND THEIR HUMANITY, AND HOW DO WE SUPPORT THEM FLOURISHING. AND I JUST AS A CULTURE LIKE I KNOW THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT, BUT I JUST CONSISTENTLY HEAR THAT AND I HEAR IT FROM AN AUDITOR, WHICH YOU DON'T USUALLY HEAR THAT KIND OF THING FROM. SO THAT'S IT. I'M GOING TO STOP TALKING. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. WHO DO YOU THINK I AM? PIAGENTINI. COUNCILWOMAN. BEST. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OMAHA AND HOW THEY'RE ADDRESSING THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND SAFETY CONCERNS ON THE PROPERTIES, AND WHAT OVERSIGHT IS GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE RESOLVED IN A TIMELY MANNER? OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAME UP IN ALL OF THAT? SO THEY HAVE CREATED SO THEY HIRED A DATA ANALYST POSITION THAT IS PROVIDING THE HEAD OF MAINTENANCE, ONGOING KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS OF HOW MANY WORK ORDERS HAVE BEEN ENTERED, HOW MANY HAVE BEEN FINISHED, HOW MANY HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED? WHAT WAS THE SOURCE? DID IT COME FROM A RESIDENT? DID IT COME FROM THE INSPIRE INSPECTIONS? DID IT COME FROM HUD'S INSPIRE INSPECTIONS OR FROM THE SELF REVIEW? SO THEY HAVE CREATED A LOT OF METRICS. AND WHEN TALKING WITH HIM, HE SAYS IT'S REALLY HELPED THEM. AND THEY GET IT DOWN TO A GRANULAR LEVEL. ON WHAT THE MAINTENANCE STAFF ARE WORKING O. SO THEY, LIKE, CAN MONITOR IT FROM A VERY CRITICAL AREA TO MAKE SURE THE WORKERS ARE DOING EVERYTHING IN A TIMELY MANNER AND THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER.SO IT APPEARS THAT THOSE THAT ONGOING MONITORING IS HELPING. WHAT WE HEARD IN OUR INTERVIEWS, FROM GOING BACK TO THE RESIDENTS, IS SOMETIMES THAT LOOP JUST NEEDS TO BE CLOSED SO THAT RESIDENTS KNOW THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN COMPLETED OR THIS IS THE STATUS. WE'RE WAITING ON MATERIALS TO COME IN OR WE'RE WAITING ON, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE. SO THAT SO I, I FEEL LIKE FROM THE KPIS THAT THEY'RE MONITORING, IT'S REALLY HELPING THEM WITH BEING MORE STRATEGIC IN THEIR DECISION MAKING AND BEING ABLE TO SEE IT FROM A, FROM A HOLISTIC AREA, WHAT'S BEING DONE. AND THEY REPORT THAT OUT TO THEIR BOARD. I GUESS EVERY TIME YOU MEET WITH THEM, YOU REPORT THAT OUT. SO THEY THEY SHARE WITH THEIR BOARD THOSE METRICS SO THE BOARD CAN PROVIDE THAT OVERSIGHT AS WELL. SO WILL THAT HAVE LIKE SOME TRANSPARENCY AS FAR AS HELPING SOME OF THESE ELDERLIES, LIKE A LOT OF THINGS I'VE HEARD IS WE DIDN'T KNOW WHO TO REPORT TO OR HOW TO GET BACK TO, AND WE FEEL LIKE OUR COMPLAINTS ARE LOST IN TRANSITION. AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE END UP WITH WHAT WE HAD. SO YEAH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE SHARED ABOUT THAT FEEDBACK LOOP, TRYING TO BE SURE THAT THERE'S A WAY TO GET TO THE RESIDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY FOR THEM TO GO LOG IN. BUT IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT TECHNOLOGY WORKED, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THEM. SO I KNOW ONE OF THE TOOLS, WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH THAT, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ACTIVATING IS A TEXTING SYSTEM, SO THAT MAYBE THAT'S ONE POSSIBLE WAY THAT A PERSON MIGHT RECEIVE A TEXT SAYING THIS IS THE STATUS OF YOUR REPORT AS THEY CONTINUE TO ROLL THAT OUT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FULLY IMPLEMENTED, BUT IT'S A TOOL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. HOW IS THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE TO A RESIDENT THAT TURNED IN A REQUEST WHERE WHERE THE STATUS IS WITHOUT HAVING TO CALL EVERY SINGLE PERSON BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE 6000 RESIDENTS WITHIN THEIR PROPERTIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOT OF TIME. SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS TO DO THAT. SO THAT IS A CHALLENGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST QUESTION FOR THIS GUEST WILL BE COUNCILMAN LINIGER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PRIMARY OBSTACLE FOR PROVIDING HOUSING AND SERVICES FOR THE POPULATION IN LOUISVILLE THAT OMAHA SERVES IS FUNDING? IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, YES. IS IT POSSIBLE TO. PROVIDE THE HOUSING NECESSARY, THE SERVICES NECESSARY, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAINTENANCE, CLEARING THE BACKLOG ON VOUCHERS? IS IT POSSIBLE TO MEET ALL OF THE GOALS FOR SERVING THE POPULATION
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FOR IF THERE ARE HUD FUNDING CUTS? OH, I WOULD SAY NO. IS IT IS IT WILL IT BE A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE EVEN WITH THE CURRENT FUNDING? IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS JUST FROM SOME OF THE REPORTS IN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHERE THEY ESTIMATE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST JUST TO BRING UP THE FACILITIES UP TO SPEED, THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO PLAN THAT OUT OVER, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AHEAD. SO IT DEFINITELY LOOKS CHALLENGING. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CHANGE SOME THINGS AROUND ON THE AGENDA. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION WILL[3. ID 25-0370 PROCESS FOR MEDICATIONS FOR INMATES: Jerry Collins, Louisville Metro Department of Corrections]
BE THE PROCESS FOR MEDICATIONS AND MEDICAL CARE FOR LOUISVILLE METRO DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.WHO DO WE HAVE HERE TO SPEAK? I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO GET A DISCLAIMER FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FIRST. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. NICOLE PENG FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMITTEE THAT THERE IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LITIGATION. AND SO THE COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ADDRESSING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO EVENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED, MA'AM. HELLO. MY NAME IS SARITA SCHÖNBACHLER, AND I AM THE HEALTH SERVICE ADMINISTRATOR AT LMDC THREE S CARE. SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST GIVE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE DO UPON BOOKING FOR YOUR ENTIRE PROCESS. OKAY. SO A PATIENT COMES IN. THEY'VE BEEN BOOKED AT LMDC. WE HAVE A NURSE ON THE BOOKING FLOOR THAT DOES AN INTAKE SCREENING. AT THAT TIME. WHEN THEY DO THE INTAKE SCREENING, IT'LL INCLUDE ANY CONSENTS. IT WILL DO A BACKGROUND HISTORY OF ANY CHRONIC CONDITIONS, MEDICATIONS THAT THEY TAKE. AND WE ALSO USE SURESCRIPTS TO GO AHEAD AND PULL ANY OF THOSE PRESCRIPTIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD FILLED. WE REVIEW THAT AND THEN WE GO OVER THAT WITH THE PROVIDER. WE HAVE A PROVIDER ON CALL 24 OVER SEVEN THAT CAN REVIEW THOSE MEDICATIONS AND GIVE VERBAL ORDERS TO CONTINUE OR TO NOT CONTINUE THOSE. SO THAT'S OUR VERIFICATION PROCESS FOR MEDICATIONS. I WANTED TO ASK, SO AS AN INMATE COMES IN AND THEY SAY I HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND I'M ON A DAILY MAINTENANCE MEDICATION. SO HOW DO YOU CONFIRM THAT AGAIN? DO YOU CALL THE PROVIDER THAT'S TREATING THEM, OR HOW DO YOU CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT AVENUES? THE FIRST ONE THAT WE WOULD USE WOULD BE SURESCRIPTS, BECAUSE IT CAN GIVE US AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM ANY PHARMACY THAT'S BEEN USED WITHIN A ZIP CODE TO FILL THAT MEDICATION. SO THAT GIVES US INSTANT VERIFICATION THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT PATIENT, THE CORRECT MEDICATION, THEY'RE ON IT. IF WE'RE UNABLE TO VERIFY IT IN THAT ROUTE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL HAVE THE PATIENT SIGN A RELEASE OF INFORMATION, AND WE CAN USE IT FOR A PHARMACY. IF THEY MAY NOT PARTICIPATE IN SURESCRIPTS, WE CAN USE IT FOR A PROVIDER THAT THEY SEE. WE CAN USE IT FOR A HOSPITAL THAT THEY WERE SEEN AT THAT MAY HAVE THAT MEDICATION ON RECORD AS WELL. SO DID YOU SAY THAT YOU YOU ARE IN-HOUSE PROVIDER OR CONTRACTED PROVIDER? WE'RE A CONTRACTED PROVIDER OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU CONFIRM THE MEDICAL NEEDS AND MEDICATIONS. AFTER AFTER CONFIRMATION. IS THERE A REASON THAT AN INMATE IS DENIED MEDICAL CARE OR MEDICATIONS? THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE PROVIDER'S ASSESSMENT OF THE MEDICATION AND THE PATIENT'S NEED FOR IT? THERE CAN BE VARIOUS REASONS THAT A PROVIDER MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH CONTINUING A MEDICATION, OR IT JUST DEPENDS, FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY'VE BEEN OFF OF IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, CERTAIN MEDICATIONS JUST CAN'T BE RESTARTED AT A DOSE THEY WERE TAKING. WE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL LABS TO CONFIRM WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. BEFORE MEDICATION CAN BE CONTINUED, THEY MAY REQUIRE A SPECIALIST TO REVIEW IT FOR NEED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO BE ON. OKAY, ANY ANY OF THE DEATHS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE JAIL, WERE ANY OF THEM RELATED TO A LACK OF CARE OR TREATMENT OF AN ONGOING AILMENT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. NOT THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION THAT IS ADMITTED TO A HOSPITAL AND WHO AUTHORIZES THE ADMISSIONS? THAT PERCENTAGE CAN CHANGE ON A DAILY TO MONTHLY BASIS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE ACUITY OF THE PATIENTS THAT WE HAVE AT THE TIME. AND OUR PROVIDERS WOULD
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SEND THEM OUT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND THEN THE PROVIDER AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHO SEES THEM WOULD DETERMINE IF THEY QUALIFY FOR INPATIENT STAY. OKAY. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD QUESTIONS.OH. I'M SORRY. GO FOR IT. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD ONE, AND I I'M JUST VERIFYING I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN AN INMATE COMES IN, THERE'S A CONVERSATION WITH A NURSE, AND THEN THE DECISIONS ARE MADE. IF THE INMATE DOESN'T DISCLOSE AT THAT TIME THAT THEY ARE ON SOME KIND OF PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS, THERE'S NOT A WAY THAT CORRECTIONS WOULD KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE. AM I RIGHT IN THAT? CORRECT? OKAY. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH SELF REPORTING BASICALLY.
YES. IF THEY DO GIVE US CONSENT TO PULL SURE SCRIPTS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T TELL US THEY'RE ON THAT MEDICATION, WE WOULD SEE IT. THEN ASSUMING THAT THE PHARMACY THEY WERE USING, YES, WAS IN PRESCRIPTION. SO IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE YOU MAY HAVE AN INMATE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON MEDICATION, AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT HE, HE OR SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THAT MEDICATION. YES, THROUGH NO FAULT OF YOURS. THANKS. COUNCILWOMAN PEREZ. RIGHT. THANK YOU. HOW OFTEN YOU SAID SOMETIMES IT MAY REQUIRE LABS. ARE LABS A THING THAT HAPPENS DAILY? WEEKLY? HOW OFTEN ARE LABS DONE? WE DRAW LABS FIVE DAYS A WEEK. FIVE DAYS. WE NEED TO DO STAT LABS. WE CAN DO THOSE ON THE WEEKEND AS WELL. AND A LOT OF THIS DEPENDS ON SELF-REPORTING. SO IF SOMEONE COMES IN YOU, YOU TAKE THAT INFORMATION DOWN THAT THEY SELF-REPORTED. AND THEN YOU DO YOUR SHORT SCRIPT THAT YOU SAID, RIGHT, HOW HOW ARE PEOPLE TREATED THAT ARE ON MEDICALLY ASSISTED TREATMENT WOULD LIKE WITH MEDICATIONS LIKE BUPRENORPHINE OR OR OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE USE IN THEIR RECOVERY STAGE? HOW WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE SAYS, I'M ON RECOVERY MEDICATION, AS LONG AS THAT'S VERIFIED THROUGH THOSE MEANS, WE CONTINUE THEM ON THOSE, OKAY. AND THEN IF WHEN THEY I'M SORRY, THE LAST QUESTION WHEN AS LONG AS YOU VERIFY IT AND THIS CAN HAPPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, THIS VERIFICATION. YES. AND THEN IF THEY ARE, IF THE JUDGE GIVES THEM A RELEASE TO GO HOME, WHAT HAPPENS THEN BETWEEN THEIR DEPARTURE, DO YOU STOP RIGHT WHEN THEY HAVE A COURT OR WHEN IS WHEN? HOW DO YOU MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON WHAT TO GIVE THEM BEFORE THEY LEAVE YOUR JAIL? SO WE WOULD STOP ADMINISTERING IT, OF COURSE, UPON DISCHARGE, BUT THEY LEAVE WITH A 14 DAY SUPPLY OF MEDICATION IF THEY NEED IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU SEND THEM HOME WITH 14 DAYS WORTH OF MEDICATION IF THEY REQUEST IT? YES. OR WE CAN SEND A PRESCRIPTION TO THEIR PHARMACY OF CHOICE AND HAVE IT FILLED AS WELL. SO WHEN DO YOU SEND THE PRESCRIPTION TO THE PHARMACY? WHO PAYS FOR IT? IT COMES OUT OF OUR POCKET. WELL, LMDC'S. I'M SORRY. LMDC. OKAY. YES. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. LAST ONE. COUNCILMAN LEININGER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THERE'S LOTS OF QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE CAN'T AS EMBARGOED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT AS A FOLLOW UP TO COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S QUESTION ABOUT PRESCRIPTIONS AND MEDICAL RECORDS, IS THERE AT ANY POINT A TIME THAT YOU WOULD PROACTIVELY SEEK MEDICATION RECORDS, MEDICAL RECORDS, PRESCRIPTIONS FOR? I AM AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE JAIL ARE NOT THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST OVERNIGHT. AND MANY OF THEM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HAVE LOTS OF MEDICAL COMPLICATIONS THAT ARE KIND OF OBVIOUS. SO EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T SELF-REPORT THERE, IS THERE ANY PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION? SO THAT COULD VARY JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM, BUT IT WOULD TAKE THEM CONSENTING TO THAT. OF COURSE, WE CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND SEARCH PEOPLE'S MEDICAL RECORDS WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, BUT IF THEY'RE CONSENTING AND WE SEE AN ISSUE, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THAT ISSUE AND TREAT THAT ISSUE. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE CARE FOR THE PATIENTS. SO AS A FOLLOW UP, NOT EVEN IF THERE WAS A SUSPICION THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, HARM OCCURRING. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE WAS IN AN INSTITUTIONAL SETTING LIKE THE HOSPITAL, THE HOSPITAL WOULD NOT ALWAYS WAIT FOR PERMISSION FOR A PATIENT THAT THERE IS THERE IS NO TIME THAT YOU WOULD PROACTIVELY SEEK, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE PATIENT'S LEVEL OF ABILITY TO CONSENT, WE COULD POTENTIALLY REACH OUT TO EMERGENCY CONTACTS OR SOME OTHER PLACES AND JUST SEE IF THEY WANT TO GIVE US COLLATERAL INFORMATION. WE CAN'T GIVE THEM INFORMATION, OF
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COURSE, BUT THEY COULD GIVE US INFORMATION IF THEY CHOSE. SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE A PATIENT WHO CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES, BUT A MOTHER, A BROTHER, A SISTER WILL SAY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THEY TAKE THIS MEDICATION, BUT THEY TAKE THIS MEDICATION, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR PROVIDER SEE THEM FOR THAT AND TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. I GUESS I FIND THAT REALLY WORRISOME, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADMINISTER SOMETHING AND NOT KNOW ABOUT COMPLICATIONS AND CONTRADICTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME POLICY WISE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. IF YOU ANSWERED THIS, I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. BUT ULTIMATELY, WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MEDICATIONS AFTER IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, IT WOULD COME OUT OF BUDGET THAT THEY USE FOR MEDICAL CARE FOR THE PATIENTS. SO IF THEY HAVE LIKE INSURANCE STOPS BEFORE, IF THEY HAVE INSURANCE THAT STOPS BEFORE THEY GET TO THIS POINT, OR IT'S VERY RARE THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE. SOME PATIENTS WHO DO HAVE INSURANCE AND THEY HAVE VERY EXPENSIVE MEDICATIONS OR MEDICATIONS THAT CAN TAKE A WHILE TO GET IN, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW HARD THEY ARE TO SOURCE.THEY MAY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS BRING THAT IN FOR THEM. AND WE WOULD USE THAT SUPPLY, BUT FINANCIALLY THEY WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE AT ANY POINT FOR IT. OR IS IT AFTER JAIL OR THIS IS MY IGNORANCE FOR JUST NOT KNOWING UNLESS THEY WERE INSURED BY PRIVATE INSURANCE. YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU. WOULD THERE BE A REASON WHY AN INMATE WOULD NOT GET THEIR MEDICATION THAT THEY NEED THEIR MAINTENANCE MEDICATIONS? WOULD THERE BE A REASON WHY THEY WOULD NOT RECEIVE THEIR MEDICATION? THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON THAT A PATIENT DOESN'T RECEIVE THEIR MEDICATION, OTHER THAN IT POSES A HARM TO THEM. OR PROVIDERS MADE A PROFESSIONAL DECISION NOT TO CONTINUE THAT MEDICATION, OR THEY'VE CHANGED IT TO A DIFFERENT MEDICATION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF I MAY? YEAH, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP. I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE INSURANCE QUESTION, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A VALID OR AN INTERESTING POINT. IT'S BEEN RAISED. RIGHT. I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT MOST OF THE FOLKS WERE COMING IN TO ARE UNINSURED.
AND SO LMDC JUST PICKS UP THE COST. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND WE USED TO METRO LOUISVILLE USED TO LARGELY SUPPORT THE QUALITY CARE CHARITY TRUST, WHICH COVERED FOLKS WHO COULDN'T AFFORD HEALTH COVERAGE ANY OTHER WAY. CHANGES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL OFFERED INSURANCE TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY. AND SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT FOLKS WOULD DO WHEN THEY CAME INTO AN AGENCY THAT USED TO FUND THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD DO IS SIGN THEM UP FOR INSURANCE. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S COMING INTO LMDC LMDC DOESN'T HAVE THAT. NO ONE WHO COMES IN HAS INSURANCE. THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET MY HEAD AROUND. AND SO I'M WONDERING, IS IT IS THE ANSWER MORE THAT EITHER THERE'S A POLICY THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE IN A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, YOU CAN'T TAP INTO YOUR MEDICARE OR MEDICAID. MEDICAID? I THINK IT IS. IS THAT OKAY? I'M SEEING YOU NOD. I'LL LET YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO THAT IS A PART OF IT. IF THEY'RE ON MEDICAID, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY STOP THAT. AND SO IT DOESN'T CONTINUE WHILE THEY'RE INCARCERATED. I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT LEGISLATION NOW TO EXPAND THAT UP TO 90 DAYS BEFORE THEY'RE RELEASED. POTENTIALLY IT COULD COVER SOME, BUT THAT STOPS WHEN THEY COME IN THE DOOR. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO AT THE MERCY OF THE PATIENT TELLING US THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE. THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION. IF THEY DON'T TELL US, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO SEARCH INSURANCE DATABASES FOR THAT. SO NOT ONLY CAN YOU NOT SEE THEIR MEDICAL HISTORY, YOU ALSO CAN'T GET IN TO FIND OUT. YES. WHO HAS OR DOESN'T HAVE INSURANCE? OKAY, THANKS, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANOTHER FOLLOW UP.
SO IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CEASING SOMEONE'S MEDICATION AND MAINTENANCE. IS THAT A DECISION THAT IS MADE IN CONSULTATION WITH THEIR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER, OR IS THAT A UNILATERAL DECISION BY THE PROVIDER IN THE JAIL, DEPENDING ON THE MEDICATION? TYPICALLY I'M GOING TO SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PROVIDER, THAT'S THEIR HOUSE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOW ASSUMED CARE OF THAT PATIENT. RIGHT. BUT BUT THIS PATIENT IS NOT FREE TO SEEK A SECOND OPINION. I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE TROUBLE REALLY SQUARING THAT WITH THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, GET INFORMATION ABOUT A PATIENT'S CARE RECORDS AND MEDICATION NEEDS. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LIBERAL RIGHT
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TO PRIVACY EXPECTATION. BUT WE ARE GOING TO SUPERSEDE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER AND THE MEDICATION THAT THEY HAVE DEEMED AS NECESSARY FOR THIS PATIENT'S CARE. I DON'T KNOW. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE IDEAS THAT ARE WORLDS APART TO ME. THANK YOU. SO I CAN EXPLAIN IT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR YOU IF IT'S A MEDICATION THAT OUR PROVIDER IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH OR THEY HAVE A CONCERN WITH MAYBE CHANGING, THEY'RE GOING TO REACH OUT AND GET THOSE MEDICAL RECORDS AND POTENTIALLY TALK TO THAT PROVIDER. IF IT'S A MEDICATION THAT THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, THEY REVIEW THIS PATIENT. THAT WOULD BE THEIR CLINICAL JUDGMENT TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE IT OR TO NOT CONTINUE IT. AND THEY WORK UNDER A MEDICAL LICENSE LIKE ANY OTHER PROVIDER. SO THEY HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, AND THEY DON'T MAKE THEM JUST ON A WHIM. THEY DON'T BASE IT OFF OF COST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY BASE IT. OKAY. SORRY, SORRY. THEY'RE GOING TO BASE IT OFF OF WHAT THE PATIENT NEEDS. IS THERE ANY KIND OF APPEAL PROCESS FOR THE PATIENT IN THAT REGARD? THEY CAN ASK THE PROVIDER, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. THEY CAN PLACE A SICK CALL OR WHAT WE CALL AN HSR, AND IT CAN BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME. THEY'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE PROVIDER. CAN YOU CAN YOU WHAT YOU WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THERE WAS THERE WERE A LOT OF LETTERS IN THERE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE TO ME? SO IT WOULD BE A HEALTH SERVICE REQUEST OR A SICK CALL SLIP. WE CAN CALL THEM BY BOTH NAMES. IT'S JUST WHERE THE PATIENT WOULD WRITE DOWN THE ISSUE THAT THEY'RE HAVING, OR WHAT THEY WANT TO DISCUSS WITH THE PROVIDER, AND THEN THEY CAN BE SCHEDULED WITH THE PROVIDER TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND IS THAT WHO IS SELECTING THAT PROVIDER? LIKE WHERE DOES THAT PROVIDER COME FROM? WE HAVE NURSE PRACTITIONERS ON STAFF, AND WE HAVE A SITE MEDICAL DIRECTOR ON STAFF. OKAY. BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THE SYSTEM WITH THE DOCTORS THAT MADE THE ORIGINAL DECISION THAT THEY WANTED TO DISPUTE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PARIS. RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LEONARD, YOU REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING. THINKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE. SO A PERSON COMES IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MEDICATIONS. YOU'RE ABLE TO VERIFY IT. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THAT PERSON TO GET THOSE MEDICATIONS? WHAT WOULD BE A LIKELY TIMELINE FOR A PERSON TO GET THE MEDICATIONS? IT'S A ONE OF THE LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I'LL USE MYSELF I WAS AND I KNOW I DON'T KNOW, WERE YOU ALL THERE IN 2020. NO, MA'AM. SO IN 2020 I WAS LOCKED UP DURING THE PROTEST AND I REPORTED THAT I HAVE HEART MEDICATIONS. AS SOON AS I CAME IN, I WAS CUT BY THE WHATEVER THEY USED TO BRING ME IN, AND I LET THEM KNOW I HAD MEDICATIONS.I DEFINITELY HAVE HAD INSURANCE, BUT I WAS IN THERE ALMOST 13 HOURS AND I NEVER GOT THOSE MEDICATIONS. SO I KNOW THAT DIRECTOR COLLINS WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME. AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CRAZY TIME. SO I JUST CHALKED IT UP TO IT WAS THE PROTEST MOMENT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BUT WHAT IS A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD FOR SOMEBODY WHO JUST NEEDS BASIC BLOOD PRESSURE MEDICATIONS, HEART MEDICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? THINGS TYPICALLY MOST PEOPLE CAN GET ACCESS TO THROUGH THE PHARMACY. WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIMELINE. SO WE TYPICALLY KEEP THOSE MEDICATIONS IN STOCK. SO IF YOU COME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTERED TO YOU THE NEXT MORNING OR EVENING, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU TYPICALLY TAKE THAT. SO AT LEAST 8 TO 12 HOURS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF THEY'RE SORRY, IF THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE NEED, WE COULD ASK THE PROVIDER TO DO A NOW DOSE. THANK YOU. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE
[2. ID 25-0328 INTERNAL AUDIT OF THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE REPORT REVIEW: Laketa Short and Andrew Googe, Internal Audit]
INTERNAL AUDIT OF THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT. MANAGER. CAN I OPEN UP BEFORE THE INTERNAL AUDITOR BEGINS? COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, ARE YOU TALKING TO US? YES. DO YOU MIND IF I OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION BEFORE MISS SHORT BEGINS HER PRESENTATION? SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND TO THE COMMITTEE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THIS WAS A AUDIT THAT MY OFFICE REQUESTED OF THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDIT TO CONDUCT AND REVIEW WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS[01:10:01]
THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME HERE EXPLAINING EXACTLY WHAT THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE IS. WE'VE DEBATED WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH IN OTHER COMMITTEES, BUT THE SHORT, SHORT VERSION IS IT IS A FUND LARGELY IN THE EAST AND SOUTH ENDS OF THE CITY, WHERE DEVELOPERS, WHEN THEY BUILD A NEW RESIDENTIAL HOUSING UNIT, WHETHER SINGLE FAMILY, TOWNHOUSE OR APARTMENT, THEY MUST PAY A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THE CITY. THE CITY MATCHES IT, AND THAT THOSE DOLLARS HAVE BEEN PAYING A BOND, WHICH WENT TO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. THAT BOND WAS ISSUED, I THINK, IN 2007. SO SOME TIME AGO, AND THERE IS A PROCESS OUTLINED IN AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS CREATED IN 2006 THAT EXPLAINS THE PROCESS THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWED, RELATED TO THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE. I HAVE PROPOSED, OR AT LEAST DID PROPOSE, A SHORT WHILE AGO, SOME CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE. AFTER SPEAKING WITH MANY PEOPLE, THEY ASKED THAT WE AUDIT THE PROCESS FIRST BEFORE AND ENSURE THE PROCESS IS WORKING BEFORE WE MADE ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT TRIGGERED MY REQUEST OF INTERNAL AUDIT AND I WANT TO THANK MISS SHORT AND HER TEAM FOR CONDUCTING THIS AUDIT.AND THEY'RE PRESENTING THE RESULTS FROM FROM THAT INVESTIGATION HERE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PROCEED PLEASE. HELLO. I AM AN INTERNAL AUDIT SENIOR WITH THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDIT, AND I HAVE ANDREW GOOCH HERE WITH ME, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. AND AS COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI STATED, WE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES FOR ROADWAYS THAT WE COMPLETED IN JUNE OF 2025. THIS ISN'T WORKING. LET'S TRY THE CAMERA. OKAY. IT DIDN'T LIKE IT. DIDN'T LIKE THE MOUSE. JUST LIKE THE ARROW. SORRY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. WE WOULD LIKE TO START BY JUST THANKING THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE INVOLVED. WE THANK THE THEM FOR THEIR TIME, THEIR INFORMATION AND THEIR COOPERATION DURING THIS AUDIT. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI DID MENTION SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. WE'LL GO OVER JUST A FEW ITEMS. IT WAS ESTABLISHED THE ORDINANCE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006 UNDER CHAPTER 164 TO ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE PUBLIC STREETS AND ROADS WERE AVAILABLE TO SERVE THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN LOUISVILLE METRO. IT APPLIES TO THE CHARGES. APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL AND NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. I'M SORRY, WITHIN THE FOUR TRANSPORTATION DISTRICTS ALSO IDENTIFY THE ZONES A THROUGH D, AND IN 2008, METRO COUNCIL DID APPROVE A $17 MILLION BOND TO COVER THE ROAD PROJECTS. IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, DUE TO THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN OF THE HOUSING MARKET. HERE IS THE TRANSPORTATION DISTRICTS ON THE MAP. THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES ARE BY HOUSING TYPE, SO SINGLE FAMILIES ARE $1,000 UNIT CONDOS, $500 PER UNIT AND APARTMENTS $250 PER UNIT. FUNDS ARE USED TOWARD ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND ORIGINATING DISTRICTS OR FOR THE RETIREMENT OF THE BOND. SO THE SCOPE OF OUR AUDIT WAS BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST, 2022 THROUGH OCTOBER 31ST OF 2024. DURING THIS REVIEW PERIOD, A SELLER HAD RECEIVED PAYMENTS OF $1,498,000. WORKDAY SHOWS $751,000 FOR A DIFFERENCE OF $746,000. THIS DIFFERENCE WILL BE DISCUSSED IN OUR LATER IN OUR PRESENTATION DURING OUR OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AGAIN, THIS WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL. THE RESOLUTION. AND THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO ASSESS HOW FEES WERE CHARGED, COLLECTED AND SPENT TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND WHETHER CONTROLS ARE IN PLACE TO OPERATE THE FUND IN THE FUTURE. THE METHODOLOGY USED FOR TESTING. WE LOOKED AT BUILDING PERMITS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE CHARGE WAS ASSESSED AND PAID. WE REVIEWED PAYMENTS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE REVENUE COLLECTED FOR A SELLER WAS RECORDED PROPERLY, AND WORKDAY. WE REVIEWED EXPENDITURES PAID TO DETERMINE IF THEY WERE PAID FROM THE CORRECT TRANSPORTATION BENEFIT DISTRICT. WE EXAMINED BUILDING PERMITS TO DETERMINE IF THE CHARGE WAS ASSESSED ACCURATELY IN A SELLER. AND LASTLY, WE REVIEWED BUILDING PERMIT CREDITS IN THE SELLER TO DETERMINE VALIDITY. THIS AUDIT HAS A RATING OF. IT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT AS WE FOUND AREAS TO IMPROVE INTERNAL CONTROLS WITHIN THE PROCESS. KEY FINDINGS
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INCLUDE. OPERATIONS DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. INACCURATE REVENUE AND EXPENSE ALLOCATIONS, AND INACCURATE CHARGE ASSESSMENTS. AND NEXT, ANDREW WILL SPEAK ON THE DETAILS OF THE FINDINGS. THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M ANDREW GOOCH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF INTERNAL AUDIT. I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FIRST OBSERVATION WE HAD WAS ISSUED TO PUBLIC WORKS IN THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. WE FOUND THAT SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES WERE NOT ADMINISTERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE.IF YOU LOOK IN THE AUDIT REPORT, THERE IS A TABLE PROVIDED IN THERE WITH A FULL LISTING OF ORDINANCES THAT WEREN'T COMPLIED WITH. JUST SOME QUICK EXAMPLES HERE. SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAD NOT MET SINCE 2020, BUT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET, PER ORDINANCE, AN ANNUAL REVIEW AND REPORT OF FINDINGS HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED BY THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SINCE 2019. AN ANNUAL FINANCIAL ANALYSIS OF SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FUNDS IS NOT PERFORMED BY AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR. THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN WE ALSO FOUND THAT METRO DOES NOT ANNUALLY CONTRIBUTE A PORTION OF NEW PROPERTY TAX REVENUE TO EACH TRANSPORTATION BENEFIT DISTRICT TRUST FUND FOR EACH ZONE. HOWEVER, IN PLACE OF THIS, METRO DOES PAY OVER 50% OF THE BOND PAYMENTS TO SERVICE THE DEBT THAT FUNDED THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS TO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND PUBLIC WORKS IS THAT THEY ADMINISTER THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES PROGRAM IN ACCORDANCE WITH ORDINANCE, AND ALSO THEY REVIEW THE PROCESSES FOR SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES, COMPARE THEM WITH ORDINANCE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, AND THEN TO INITIATE ANY NEEDED REVISIONS.
OUR NEXT OBSERVATION WAS ISSUED TO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. SO LAQUITA HAD PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED A DIFFERENCE IN REVENUE COLLECTED BETWEEN A SELLER AND WORKDAY. SO WE REVIEWED 68 SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE PAYMENTS AND FOUND THAT 34 OF THESE PAYMENTS, TOTALING ABOUT $33,000, WERE NOT RECORDED TO THE CORRECT SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CORRECT SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT ACCOUNT. WITHIN WORKDAY, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS WAS MOST OF THIS REVENUE WAS RECORDED INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND, HOWEVER NOT INTO ONE OF THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT ZONE ACCOUNTS. SO WE FOUND WITH THIS THAT THERE'S NO PROCESS IN PLACE TO MONITOR WHETHER SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT REVENUE IS POSTED TO THE CORRECT ACCOUNT. AND WE ALSO FOUND THAT THE CODING ON A PAYMENT REPORTS MAPS TO THE PRIOR FINANCIAL SYSTEMS ACCOUNTS, RATHER THAN THE CURRENT FINANCIAL SYSTEMS ACCOUNTS. SO THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR ACCOUNTANTS TO POST THE REVENUE TO THE CORRECT ACCOUNT. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO OMB ARE TO APPLY SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE PAYMENTS TO THE APPROPRIATE ACCOUNT WITHIN WORKDAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH ORDINANCE, AND THEN ALSO FOR THEM TO ESTABLISH AND DOCUMENT A PROCESS TO MONITOR SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT REVENUE, ENSURING IT'S RECORDED TO THE CORRECT TRANSPORTATION BENEFIT DISTRICT FUND, AND THAT THEY ALSO COLLABORATE WITH CODES AND REGULATIONS TO UPDATE THE WORKDAY ACCOUNT MAPPINGS, BASICALLY SO THAT THEY'RE CURRENT IN THE CELLAR. THIS WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR ACCOUNTANTS TO CORRECTLY RECORD THE REVENUE. THE THIRD OBSERVATION WE HAVE WAS ISSUED TO PUBLIC WORKS. WE REVIEWED FIVE INVOICES AND FOUR OF THEM TOTALING ABOUT $135,000, WERE NOT CHARGED TO THE APPROPRIATE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. SO PER ORDINANCE, SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FUNDS ARE TO BE USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TRANSPORTATION BENEFIT DISTRICT FROM WHICH THOSE FUNDS WERE COLLECTED. SO IF YOU COLLECT FUNDS FROM ZONE A, YOU SPEND IT ON PROJECTS IN ZONE A. OUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE THAT PUBLIC WORKS ENSURE EXPENDITURES ARE CHARGED TO THE DISTRICT FROM WHICH THOSE FUNDS WERE COLLECTED, AND THAT THEY ESTABLISH AND DOCUMENT A MONITORING PROCESS TO ENSURE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FUNDS ARE USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TRANSPORTATION DISTRICT FROM WHICH THOSE FUNDS WERE COLLECTED. AND THEN OUR FOURTH OBSERVATION WAS ISSUED TO CODES AND REGULATIONS. WE FOUND 23 INSTANCES WHERE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES WERE NOT ASSESSED AND COLLECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ORDINANCE. SO WE REVIEWED 50 INVOICES TO DETERMINE IF THE CHARGE WAS
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ASSESSED AND PAID PER ORDINANCE. WE FOUND SIX INSTANCES WHERE CHARGES WERE NOT ASSESSED AND PAID. THIS RESULTED IN $6,000 IN LOST REVENUE. WE FOUND FIVE INSTANCES WHERE CHARGES WERE ASSESSED IN ERROR, SO OTHERWISE THESE CHARGES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ASSESSED, RESULTING IN $5,000 OF OVERCHARGES. WE REVIEWED 1343 PERMITS TO DETERMINE IF THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE WAS ACCURATELY CALCULATED. WE FOUND 11 INSTANCES THAT WERE THEY WEREN'T THAT RESULTED IN OVERCHARGES OF $11,500. AND THEN WE EXAMINED 16 CREDITS TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE VALID. AND WE FOUND ONE INSTANCE WHERE THERE WAS A CHARGE VOIDED, AN ERROR RESULTING IN $1,000 OF LOST REVENUE. OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO CODES AND REGULATIONS ARE THAT THEY ENSURE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES ARE ASSESSED AND COLLECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ORDINANCE, AND THAT ANY KNOWN OVER OR UNDER CHARGES ARE REVIEWED TO DETERMINE HOW TO REMEDY THE ERRORS, AND ALSO THAT THEY ESTABLISH AND DOCUMENT A REVIEW PROCESS FOR SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES TO VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE CHARGES AND INCREASE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET CODES AND REGULATIONS AND PUBLIC WORKS ALL AGREED TO IMPLEMENT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS BY OCTOBER 2025. RIGHT NOW, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN LINEKER THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IN REGARDS TO THE 34 PAYMENTS THAT DID NOT GO TO THE CORRECT SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WAS THERE ANY SORT OF PATTERN TO THE COURT THAT ANY DISCERNIBLE CAUSE TO WHY THEY WERE NOT GOING TO THE CORRECT ACCOUNT? WELL, SO THERE'S NO PROCESS IN PLACE TO MONITOR WHERE THE REVENUE IS GOING. SO ANYTHING HITTING THE WRONG ACCOUNT WOULDN'T BE DETECTED. PRIMARILY, MOST OF THIS MONEY WAS PUT INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND. WHICH SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT. IT IS A CAPITAL PROJECT FUND. HOWEVER, IT HAS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS FOR EACH ZONE FOR THIS, REVENUE WAS JUST APPLIED GENERICALLY TO CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO IT WASN'T HITTING THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT ZONE ACCOUNTS. OKAY.AND THEN SIMILAR QUESTION ON THE 135,000 IN THE INVOICES WAS DID THOSE APPEAR TO BE, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PATTERN OR ANYTHING THERE ABOUT HOW THOSE INVOICES WERE GETTING INCORRECTLY PLACED? SO THOSE EVERY SINGLE INVOICE WE FOUND AN ISSUE WITH WERE CHARGED TO ZONE B, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED TO ZONE D. IT WAS ALL THE SAME PROJECT. THERE'S BASICALLY ONLY ONE PROJECT OCCURRING RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO PROCESS TO MONITOR THAT. THESE BOTH REVENUE AND THE EXPENDITURES ARE HITTING THE CORRECT PLACE. SO IF YOU MISS CHARGE SOMETHING IT'S NOT GETTING DETECTED. RIGHT. SO IN THAT INSTANCE IT'S JUST LIKELY THAT THERE IS NOT A THERE'S NOT A CHECK PROCESS WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING OVERRIDES OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, RED HIGHLIGHT ABOUT LIKE, OH NO, NO IT CAME FROM B. IT'S GOT TO GO TO B. MORE OF A JUST SORT OF, YOU KNOW, GENERIC USER ERROR. IN THAT CASE. YES. YOU COULD CALL IT THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO THANK AGAIN THE INTERNAL AUDIT TEAM FOR CONDUCTING THIS. I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS, YOU KNOW, REALLY HOW MUCH WE HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE BOAT ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS ORDINANCE IN A PROPER FASHION. THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED RAPIDLY, BECAUSE I DO PLAN ON LOOKING AT REFORMS TO THIS ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD. I'M TALKING TO SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS, BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY RIGHT NOW RELATED TO IT. AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED SORT OF AD NAUSEAM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN THESE AREAS ARE STILL GREAT AND GETTING GREATER. AND THIS IS A TOOL TO HELP RESOLVE THAT. BUT WE CANNOT USE A TOOL IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CERTAINTY THAT IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY IN ACCORDING TO THE LAW. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND MAKING SURE THIS IS RAPIDLY FIXED AND THEN PROVING THAT IT'S BEEN REMEDIATED IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. APPRECIATE IT. THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
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FINALLY, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA ARE OUR APPOINTMENTS. I AM SO SORRY I APOLOGIZE. THE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE OF THE LOUISVILLE JEFFERSON COUNTY[4. O-159-25 AN ORDINANCE OF THE LOUISVILLE/ JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION BY THE CITY OF INDIAN HILLS OF A TRACT OF LAND KNOWN AS OLD FEDERAL ROAD, CONTIGUOUS TO THE PRESENT BOUNDARY OF SAID CITY BUT NOT CONTIGUOUS TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE FORMER CITY OF LOUISVILLE, AND BEING IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE FORMER COUNTY OF JEFFERSON. Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: Scott Reed (R-16) ]
METRO COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION BY THE CITY OF INDIAN HILLS OF A TRACT OF LAND KNOWN AS OLD FEDERAL ROAD, CONTIGUOUS TO THE PRESENT BOUNDARY OF SAID CITY, BUT NOT CONTIGUOUS TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE FORMER CITY OF LOUISVILLE, AND BEING IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE FORMER JEFFERSON COUNTY. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS IN DISTRICT 16, AND IT'S THE CITY OF INDIAN HILLS THAT IS ANNEXING A AN AREA OF OLD FEDERAL ROAD. AND I THINK TRAVIS CAN SPEAK TO THIS. GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING, EVERYBODY. TRAVIS FEASTER, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. SO AS COUNCILMAN REGIS INTRO SAID, THIS IS AN ANNEXATION BY INDIAN HILLS. SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE STATE AMENDED THE ANNEXATION PROCESS WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO IN 2024. AND SO THIS DOES MEET THAT NEW THRESHOLD TO CREATE THE STATE CREATED, UNDER WHICH METRO IS OBLIGATED TO APPROVE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY THIS ANNEXATION BECAUSE INDIAN HILLS HAS MET THE STATUTORY THRESHOLD. THAT BEING SAID THAT THE STATUTE STILL CALLS FOR METRO REVIEW. SO HERE WE ARE. WE DID TALK TO THE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT OUR OUR ORDINANCES REQUIRE. SO PUBLIC WORKS PLANNING AND MSD HAVE ALL WEIGHED IN. ON THAT NOTE, MSD HAS REQUESTED SOME LANGUAGE BE ADDED TO THE WHEREAS CLAUSES, WHICH THEY REQUESTED PRETTY REGULARLY IN ANNEXATIONS RECENTLY. THAT AMENDMENT IS ON THE SYSTEM. THE CLAUSE IS BASICALLY JUS SAY THAT METRO DOES NOT INTEND TO IN ANY WAY ALTER MSD'S RIGHTS OR OBLIGATIONS TO SERVE ANY OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE ANNEXED AREA. SO WE DON'T THINK THIS ANNEXATION IS CHANGING ANYTHING.MSD DOESN'T THINK IT'S CHANGING ANYTHING. I DON'T BELIEVE INDIAN HILLS THINKS IT'S CHANGING ANYTHING. SO IT'S JUST SORT OF A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT COMMENTING ON THE, AGAIN, THE RIGHTS OR OBLIGATIONS OF MSD TO SERVE THIS AREA. THIS IS PURELY DEALING WITH THE TRANSFER OF THE LAND AND THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE TO INDIAN HILLS. OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T MOVE AN AMENDMENT, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS LANGUAGE WE'VE ADDED PRETTY REGULARLY IN THE PAST. SO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT AMENDMENT. AND SECOND, OKAY, THIS CALLS FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY. MR. FEASTER, DO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE ON? I'VE JUST BEEN ALERTED THAT I HAVE A DATE ERROR HERE AND I APOLOGIZE. THE FIRST CLAUSE SAYS MARCH 21ST, BUT IT SHOULD BE MAY 21ST. MORE OF A TECHNICAL ERROR THERE. BUT IF WE COULD THIS IS THE CLERK. WE CAN WE CAN MAKE THAT AS A TECHNICAL CORRECTION. BUT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE. YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY SO. THE ATTORNEY FROM INDIAN HILLS IS HERE. IF ANYONE DOES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO JOIN US AT THIS MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS FINN CATO. I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR INDIAN HILLS. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. AND ALSO TO TRAVIS.
AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER REED, WHO'S SPONSORING THIS THIS ORDINANCE. I WAS ASKED TO BE HERE JUST IN CASE YOU ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS. THE CITY OF INDIAN HILLS WAS BASICALLY APPROACHED BY THIS STREET. THAT'S OFF, RIGHT OFF BLANKENBAKER LANE. THERE ARE 13 PROPERTIES THERE. THEY KIND OF HAVE BEEN OPERATING AS SORT OF THEIR OWN HOA, AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH SURROUNDED BY THE CITY OF INDIAN HILLS, EXCEPT FOR ONE SMALL PORTION THAT'S LOUISVILLE METRO. THEY REACHED OUT TO US. THEY ASKED US IF WE WOULD BE. BASICALLY LET THEM COME INTO THE CITY AND BE ANNEXED, AND THE CITY COUNCIL, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO GET
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Y'ALL'S APPROVAL. BUT THEY THEY GOT TOGETHER AND PASSED AN ORDINANCE, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. SO IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IT. TRAVIS MENTIONED THE STATUTE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPLICATED STATUTE, AND I'VE LEARNED THAT I BELIEVE WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY IN IN KENTUCKY THAT THAT FACES THAT REQUIREMENT. BUT WE HAVE MET IT.THE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT 75%. BASICALLY, THE WAY YOU LOOK AT IT IS YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PETITIONING, AND THEY MUST BE QUALIFIED AND REGISTERED VOTERS. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF THE ACTUAL VOTES THAT WERE CAST IN THE ELECTION. AND OF COURSE, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH FRANKFORT TO GET THAT INFORMATION. AND IF, IF AT LEAST 75% OF THE PETITIONERS WHO ARE QUALIFIED AND REGISTERED AND RESIDE IN THE AREA IS EQUAL TO AT LEAST 75% OR GREATER THAN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES CAST, THEN THE WAY THE STATUTE READS IS THAT THAT LOUISVILLE METRO SHALL PASS THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE. SO I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS THAT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT I'M HAPPY THAT WE MET THAT. AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT WITH YOU ALL. SO. I'M SORRY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY? YEAH, THAT WAS ONE THING. YES. WE REMEMBER. WE REMEMBER YOU, MR. MCCRANEY. YOU WERE VERY HELPFUL IN A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS ANNEXATIONS, ALONG WITH COUNCIL MEMBER REED. YES. AND WE THANK YOU. YES. YOU'RE WCOME. I AWARE OF E TAXATION AND THEFULLY FACT THAT THEY WON'T OPERATE AS A HOA. TY WI B U T AUICES OF GOVERNMENT. N, I' SUREYERSTAND. TY OUTUR CONSENT FORMS, NOT SOMEEND CITIES DON'T DO THAT, BUT WE DO. WE, AT LEAST FOR THE PAST ANNEXATIONS THAT WE DO, WE'LL SEND OUT FOR THEIR CONSENT IN THEIR CONSENT FORM. THERE'S ALL THAT INFORMATION LISTED IN THERE THAT THEY WILL BE PAYING ADDITIONAL TAXES, AND ALSO THAT THEY WILL BE GETTING ADDITIONAL SERVICES, YOU KNOW, IN THE IN THE NEWLY INCORPORATED AREAS. SO THANK YOU. AND THOSE SIGNED FORMS ARE LOCATED IN THE PACKET INDIAN HILL SENT OVER, WHICH IS ON THE SYSTEM. IF ANYONE WANTS TO, TO CHECK OUT THAT LANGUAGE, BUT THEY ARE PRETTY THOROUGH AND EXPLAIN TO THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO. THAT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? THIS CALLS FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE. OH, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN REED. SO WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT. NO, IT'S ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT. SO WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON SINCE THE AMENDED? BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ANNEXATION. YES YOU DO. YES. I VOTING ON THE AMENDED ORDINANCE. SO IT'S A IT'S A FORMALITY. IT'S A FORMALITY. OKAY, I GOT IT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEP. GOT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER PIAGENTINI I'M NOT SURE IF YOU VOTED HERE. I THANK YOU. I CHANGE THIS REAL QUICK. MADAM CHAIR, YOU HAVE EIGHT YES VOTES. I CAN GO TO CONSENT, I CAN GO. OKAY, OKAY. IT PASSES OUT OF COMMITTEE. IT WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS SINCE IT WAS AMENDED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY. LONG NIGHT. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE REAPPOINTMENT.
FROM IT. I GOT FIVE AND SIX. WE WILL BE DOING FIVE AND SIX TOGETHER. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT IS THE REAPPOINTMENT FIVE. REDID THE. YOU REDID THE AGENDA, DIDN'T YOU? I MAY NOT HAVE THAT.
ARE WE DOING WILLIAM BRANT AND YANNY. YES. OKAY OKAY. SO THANK YOU. REAPPOINTMENT OF WILLIAM BRADFORD TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30TH, 2028. AND REAPPOINTMENT OF YANNY BOZOS TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30TH, 2028. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY, MISS JACKSON. OKAY. AND MR. BRANT IS ON ON THE ON THE CALL VIRTUALLY.
[5. RP072225WF REAPPOINTMENT OF WILLIAM BRANDT FORD TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
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AND SO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS, THE PURPOSE IS THAT TO DIRECT THE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF LOUISVILLE METRO AND THE COMMUNITIES THEREIN, AND TO GUIDE SUCH DEVELOPMENT IN SUCH A MANNER TO ASSURE THE PROSPERITY, HEALTH, SAFETY, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITIES AROUND. THERE ARE SEVEN MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD, AND THEY SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM. MR. FORD IS RETIRED AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE HIGHLANDS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW. HE TUTORS WITH JCPS STUDENTS.EMBER ON THIS BOAD AND WE ARE ASKING FOR HIM TO BE REAPPOINTED. AND AGAIN, HE IS ON THE CALL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. MR. FORD, PLEASE SHOW HIS FACE. HE MAY HAVE HAD TO DROP OFF. HE MAY BE.HE MAY BE PARTICIPATING IN ANOTHER MEETING AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE HE DID SAY HE HAD TO PARTICIPATE IN ANOTHER MEETING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS REAPPOINTMENT. MR. MR. YANNY WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR HIS REAPPOINTMENT AS WELL. DID HE? COME ON. OKAY. HE DID. MR. BRANT, WOULD YOU. MR. FORD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMITTEE, PLEASE? PLEASE UNMUTE. WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU'RE UNMUTED SIR. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SIR. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YES, IT'S. I'M BRANTFORD AND HAVE SERVED ONE TERM ON THE BOARD, AND I HAD REALLY? I WAS TOTALLY UNFAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE BOARD DID AND WAS PUT FORWARD BY CASSIE CHAMBERS ARMSTRONG. AND IT'S BEEN A REAL LEARNING EXPERIENCE. AND I'VE PARTICULARLY ENJOYED. WORKING WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. THE CHALLENGES THERE AND THE. THE NOT THE NURSING HOMES, BUT THE. THE, THE RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING OUT OF REHAB, THAT SORT OF THING. I WAS ALSO UNAWARE WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE IN THE PARTICULAR IN THE WEST END. AND MADAM CHAIR HAS BEEN IN OUR. ROOM, OUR COURT MANY TIMES AND HAS REALLY DONE A I FEEL MUCH MORE EDUCATED NOW AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES ARE. IT'S I LOOK FORWARD TO CARRYING ON, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND IT'S IT IS A VERY INTERESTING AND CHALLENGING SITUATION. MR. FORD, COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS HERE, I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE BOARD. YOU SEEM TO BE VERY ATTENTIVE TO. TO OUR CRIES WHEN I COME AND PRESENT. ON BEHALF OF MY CONSTITUENTS.
AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE ARE GOING
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THROUGH AS WE ARE INUNDATED WITH A CONCENTRATION OF THESE TYPES OF HOMES. SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING YOUR TIME. I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY LISTENING TO THESE TYPES OF GRIPES AND COMPLAINTS, BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO TELL YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S. OKAY. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, MR. FORD, SAY I, I IN THE OPPOSITION, THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, MR. YANNI VASOS WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE. HE'S OUT OF TOWN. BUT HE WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS REAPPOINTMENT. HE IS A SELF-EMPLOYED EDUCATOR. HE'S ALSO A MUSICIAN. HE HAS HIS MASTER'S IN URBAN PLANNING FROM
[6. RP072225YV REAPPOINTMENT OF YANI VOZOS TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE. HE'S AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR WITH BELLARMINE, AND HE IS A TEACHING ARTIST WITH BEREA COLLEGE. HE HAS BEEN A DEDICATED MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, AND WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS REAPPOINTMENT. NO QUESTIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WERE GOING TO CONSIDER THEM TOGETHER. SO YOU'VE ALREADY HAD A VOTE ON THIS. OKAY. IF YOU VOTE AGAIN, WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO SEVEN AND EIGHT OKAY. AND THAT IS THE REAPPOINTMENT OF FORREST CLAY TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION.TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30TH, 2027. AS WELL AS THE REAPPOINTMENT OF JOANNE JAMES TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION. TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30TH OF 2027. NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE. MOTION TO
[7. RP072225FC REAPPOINTMENT OF FORREST CLAY TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2027) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
APPROVE. OKAY, MISS JACKSON. OKAY. THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION HAS UP TO 29 MEMBERS.A LOT OF THESE SERVE BY VIRTUE OF THEIR POSITION. HOWEVER, THE MAYOR APPOINTS SIX CITIZEN MEMBERS, WHICH ARE SUBJECT TO THE METRO COUNCIL APPROVAL. THE CITIZEN MEMBERSHIP INCLUDES THREE MEMBERS REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, AND THREE MEMBERS ARE REPRESENTING AN ORGANIZATION. THEY SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS. THE MAYOR IS APPOINTING FOR A VICTIM ADVOCATE AND AN AT LARGE MEMBER AGAIN IN THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE. MR. FORREST CLAY IS FILLING A SEAT. MR. FORREST CLAY FILLED A SEAT FOR VICTIM ADVOCATE. HE WAS WHEN HE STARTED. HE WAS IN METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX, BUT HE HAS RECENTLY MOVED TO METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 22. MR. CLAY HAS HIS EDD IN ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERSHIP. HE HAS A MASTER'S IN BUSINESS. HE IS A VETERAN. HE WORKS FOR PIVOT TO PEACE. WE ARE ASKING FOR HIS REAPPOINTMENT. HE IS NOT IN CHAMBERS TODAY, BUT WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS REAPPOINTMENT. AND THEN MISS JOANNE. MISS JOANNE JAMES IS A SOCIAL WORKER BY TRADE. SHE IS A RETIRED EDUCATOR. SHE HAS STRONG CONNECTIONS WITH JCPS. WE WANTED HER ON THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE TO BUILD STRONGER RELATIONSHIPS WITH WITH THE PROGRAMING AT
[8. RP072225JJ REAPPOINTMENT OF JOANN JAMES TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2027) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
JCPS. SHE'S BEEN A REAL STRONG BOARD MEMBER AND WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER REAPPOINTMENT. SO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE REAPPOINTMENT SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A NEW APPOINTMENT. OH DO YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE THIS? I'M SORRY I'M TRYING TO. SORRY. WE HAVE THE REAPPOINTMENT OF SHANNON DERRICK TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. NO, WE STILL HAVE ONE WITH NONE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. WE HAVE THE APPOINTMENT OF[9. AP072225SL APPOINTMENT OF STEPHEN LAUYANS TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION. (TERM EXPIRES DECEMBER 31, 2026) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
STEVEN. TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION. TERM EXPIRES DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION TO APPOINT MISS JACKSON. SO HE IS FILLING THE SEAT OF A COMMISSIONER THAT HAD SERVED HIS TERM. AND SO THIS IS A CITIZEN AT LARGE SEAT. HE IS IN[01:45:05]
LEADERSHIP WITH THE CHARTER COMPANY. HE HAS HIS MASTER'S IN BUSINESS. HE DESERVES TO HE DESIRES TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. HE IS AT A METRO COUNCIL, DISTRICT 12. HE IS HERE IN CHAMBERS TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. IT'S GREAT TO STAND IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND ASK TO BE ABLE TO SERVE. I HAVE RECENTLY MOVED AS OF FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. I ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE INCARCERATED EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE AND THAT WILL REALLY HELP, I THINK, WITHIN THIS COMMITTEE AS I LEARN MORE. SO I STAND IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN DOING THAT. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. ONLY QUESTION IS HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME. SO THINK LIONS L Y O N S. I DID PRONOUNCE IT. YEAH. OH, OKAY.DOES ANYONE. OH. COUNCILMAN JJ YEAH, I'LL JUST BE QUICK. I THINK THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE GOT THIS ONE RIGHT ON THE HEAD. REALLY, REALLY QUALITY MAN THAT I KNOW. AND I THINK HE'LL BE AN OUTSTANDING ADDITION TO THE GROUP. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS APPOINTMENT SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? THE AYES HAVE IT.
WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO. OKAY. OKAY. THE NEXT TWO WILL BE TEN AND 11.
THE REAPPOINTMENT OF SHANNON DERRICK TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL.
TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26TH, 2028. NUMBER 11 ON THE AGENDA IS THE REAPPOINTMENT OF KARINA BARILLAS TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26TH, 2028. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE. SECOND. THANK YOU, MISS JACKSON. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD IS TO IMPROVE INTER-AGENCY COOPERATION AND COMMUNICATIONS IN THE AREA OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. IN ADDITION, IT'S TO PROMOTE EFFECTIVE PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND TREATMENT TECHNIQUES. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT OF SHARON DERRICK. SHE HAS BEEN A GREAT REPRESENTATIVE. SHE'S A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS BOARD. SHE IS A CASE MANAGER WITH
[10. RP072225SD REAPPOINTMENT OF SHANNON DERRICK TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
PASSPORT HEALTH. THIS WOULD BE HER LAST TERM SERVING. WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER. SHE IS HERE IN CHAMBERS TO SPEAK FOR HERSELF. HELLO, I'M SHANNON DERRICK. I'M VERY EXCITED THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING MY REAPPOINTMENT. I FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS WORK AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN LINNEGAR, THANK YOU. I WASN'T SURE WHERE I SHOULD BE IN THE QUEUE WITH THE JUMPING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS IS A BOARD THAT I SERVE ON, AND THE ONE MEETING THAT I'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO ATTEND. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN SOO, WAS A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE AND COMPETENT. PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO REALLY IMPROVE OUR CITY ON A REALLY DANGEROUS AND IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND EVERYONE I MET IN THAT ROOM DESERVES REAPPOINTMENT, INCLUDING YOURSELF. SO THANK YOU. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. OH I'M SORRY. SORRY. THANK YOU. I'LL BE SURE TO GO TO THE FULL BOARD. I'LL BE IN TOUCH. OKAY. OUR NEXT REAPPOINTMENT IS FOR KARINA BARILLAS. SHE IS REPRESENTING THE MINORITY, BUSINESS ORIENTED, THE MINORITY BUSINESS CIVIC BUSINESS SEAT.AND THEN SHE IS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR LA CASITA CENTER. AND SHE WILL BE SERVING HER
[11. RP072225KB REAPPOINTMENT OF KARINA BARILLAS TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
FINAL TERM AS WELL. MISS BARILLAS, WE KNOW WHAT THE WORK AND THE COMMUNITY THAT SHE REPRESENTS, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER REAPPOINTMENT. IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING MISS BARILLAS, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.ANY OPPOSITION? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE WE WILL BE DOING 12, 13, 14 AND 15 TOGETHER. THE FIRST ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF AUTUMN LOCKHART TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26TH, 2028. THE
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NEXT ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF BRITTANY HILL WHITEHEAD TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26TH, 2028. THE NEXT ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF ELIJAH FOX TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26TH, 2028. THE NEXT ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF BRITTANY DOLE TO THE DEPARTMENT VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26TH, 2028. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE. MOTION TO APPOINT MISS JACKSON. OKAY, SO, MISS AUTUMN LOCKHART, IS THAT A METRO[12. AP072225AL APPOINTMENT OF AUTUMN LOCKHART TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
COUNCIL 14? SHE WILL BE REPLACING A MEMBER WHO COULD NOT BE REAPPOINTED. MISS LOCKHART REALLY WANTS TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. SHE IS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVOR AND WANTS TO GIVE BACK BY VOLUNTEERING WITH THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EFFORTS. SHE IS ALSO DISABLED, BUT HOWEVER, SHE IS WILLING TO GIVE BACK OF HER TIME. SHE IS HERE IN CHAMBERS AND SHE WOULD LOVE TO INTRODUCE HERSELF TO YOU ALL. HI, MY NAME IS AUTUMN LOCKHART AND I WOULD LOVE TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO JOIN THIS BOARD AND I HAVE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT ASK. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MISS COUNCILWOMAN BASS, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND JOINING THE PREVENTION COUNCIL HERE, AND TO TAKE YOUR STRENGTH AND TURN PAINFUL EXPERIENCES INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU DO ON THE BOARD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JJ, ANOTHER QUALITY INDIVIDUAL FROM THE SOUTH END THAT WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING YOURSELF FORWARD FOR THIS. I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE ON HELPING THINGS OUT THAT WAY. HOPE HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS AND VOICES HEARD. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. DOCTOR MCCRANEY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SERVING. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE AND CAN APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU CAN OFFER TO THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US THAT THIS BOARD HAS ACCOMPLISHED SINCE YOU HAVE SERVED? AND WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO GET? YOU NOT SERVED ON IT YET, BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FOR IT TO ACCOMPLISH? MY VOICE WAS SILENT AFTER WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME, AND I THINK SOMETIMES BECAUSE THAT A LOT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS, THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR VOICES AREN'T HEARD AS WELL. AND MY GOAL IS, IS TAKE THE BREAD. THE STEPS I TOOK TO REBUILD MYSELF. I WANT TO HELP OTHER WOMEN AND OTHER MEN WHO HAS FACED THAT AS WELL, AND BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO WHERE THEY ONCE WERE BEFORE THE TRAUMA OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. SO HOW DOES THE BOARD DO THAT? THROUGH ADVOCACY, THROUGH EDUCATION. I BELIEVE THAT DEFINITELY BEING AN ADVOCATE, I ALSO THINK SOMETIMES THAT WE NEED MORE LMPD OFFICERS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SO THAT WHEN THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, WHEN THEY GO FOR THAT CALL, THEY ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY THERE. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME OF MY EXPERIENCE AND HOPEFULLY HELP OTHERS WHO COULD HELP, WHO COULD OVERCOME. THANK COUNCILMAN REED. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. YOU SAID WOMEN AND MEN. YES, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IT'S NOT WELL KNOWN OR AS WELL KNOWN, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE I THINK MORE WOMEN ARE ABUSED THAN MEN. BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MEN HAVE BEEN ABUSED, AND I KNOW MEN THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED, THAT I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU'RE AS STRONG AN ADVOCATE FOR NOT ONLY WOMEN, BUT MEN AS WELL. AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'LL BE IN TOUCH NEXT WEEK.OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YES, SIR. SO OUR NEXT PERSON IS BRITTANY HILL WHITEHEAD. MISS
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WHITEHEAD WAS UNABLE. SHE HAD A CONFLICT AT THIS TIME, BUT SHE IS REPLACING SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO BE REAPPOINTED. SHE IS. SHE ACTUALLY PREPARED A STATEMENT. SO I'LL READ IT, READ[13. AP072225BH APPOINTMENT OF BRITTANY HILL-WHITEHEAD TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
SOME OF HER STATEMENT. I AM DEEPLY HONORED TO ACCEPT MAYOR GREENBERG'S APPOINTMENT TO SERVE ON THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL, THOUGH I AM NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE UPCOMING COMMITTEE MEETING IN PERSON DUE TO A PRIOR COMMITMENT WITH MY 11 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, I REMAIN FULLY COMMITTED TO THIS IMPORTANT WORK. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MY PHYSICAL ABSENCE AS A LACK OF DEDICATION. I SIMPLY HAD TO HONOR A PROMISE TO MY DAUGHTER.I AM A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AT 18 YEARS OLD, I ENTERED A RELATIONSHIP THAT WOULD CHANGE THE COURSE OF MY LIFE. I SURVIVED AND ESCAPED WITH MY CHILD AT 21, AND BEGAN A LONG PROCESS OF REBUILDING THE EXPERIENCE. THAT EXPERIENCE IGNITED A DETERMINATION IN ME TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, BUT SO I COULD ONE DAY HELP OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.
TODAY, MORE THAN TWO DECADES LATER, I AM A MOTHER, WIFE, ENTREPRENEUR AND THE MANAGER OF AMPED RUSSELL TECHNOLOGY BUSINESS INCUBATOR, BOARD MEMBER OF THE LOUISVILLE INDEPENDENT BUSINESS ALLIANCE AND A PROUD METRO OFFICE OF WOMEN OF WOMEN AMBASSADORS. MY LIFE, MY LIVED EXPERIENCE HAS SHAPED MY LIFELONG DEDICATION TO THE ISSUE AND FUELS MY DESIRE TO BE A VOICE FOR THOSE WHO ARE OFTEN UNHEARD. AS A SURVIVOR FOR 24 YEARS, I UNDERSTAND THAT HEALING IS A PROCESS, AND I AM PROUD TO SAY I SPENT MY LIFE USING THAT PAIN AS A PLATFORM FOR PURPOSE.
SO WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER APPOINTMENT AGAIN. SHE IS. SHE IS A BUSINESS INCUBATOR MANAGER WITH AMP. SHE HAS PARTICIPATED IN METRO WOMEN'S AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. SO WE WOULD EVEN THOUGH SHE IS NOT HERE, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER APPOINTMENT. OUR NEXT PERSON IS ELIAH FOX. SHE IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CHILD SERVICE AGENCY. THAT IS THE SEAT THAT SHE WILL BE FILLING. SHE IS THE CEO OF THE FAMILY AND CHILDREN'S PLACE AND SHE IS TAKING THE PLACE OF PAM DARNELL'S SEAT. MISS FOX IS HERE. I WILL LET HER COMMENT SPEAK WITH YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M ELYAR FOX. I'M THE CEO OF FAMILY AND CHILDREN'S PLACE AND BEGAN IN THAT ROLE EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND I'M FILLING THE SEAT OF THE FAMILY OR THE CHILDREN'S SERVING ORGANIZATION AT FAMILY AND CHILDREN'S PLACE. WE COORDINATE THE CHILD ADVOCACY CENTER FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY. SO ALL OF THE CHILD ABUSE CASES, ESPECIALLY AROUND SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING, ARE COORDINATED THROUGH US. WE'RE ALSO CO-LOCATED WITH LMPD THERE, AS WELL AS PROVIDING VISITATION AND REUNIFICATION SERVICES. SO A LOT OF OUR WORK INVOLVES CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND SO IF YOU
[14. AP072224EF APPOINTMENT OF ELEA FOX TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
WILL CONSIDER MY NOMINATION, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE COMMITTEE IS JUST ENSURING THAT CHILDREN ARE CONSIDERED IN THE WORK OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TASK FORCE AND THAT WE'RE COORDINATING FAMILY NEEDS. THERE'S A REALLY HIGH CORRELATION BETWEEN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND CHILD ABUSE. AND SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE MORE WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS CHILD ABUSE. AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, AGAIN, I JUST THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY NOMINATION. I ALSO. THANK YOU WITH THAT ENTHUSIASM, MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I ONE OF THE MOST PROUDEST MOMENTS OF MY COUNCIL TENURE WAS WHEN I WROTE AN ORDINANCE AND STUDIED THE DOMESTIC ABUSE, BECAUSE I WANTED AN ORDINANCE THAT RELATED TO DOMESTIC ABUSE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO ANIMAL ABUSE. AND IF YOU SEE AN ANIMAL THAT IS ABUSED, THEN LIKELY THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THAT HOME.AND IF THERE'S DOMESTIC ABUSE, THEN LOOK FURTHER BECAUSE THERE'S CHILD ABUSE. SO DO YOU FIND THAT TO BE TRUE? YEAH. AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT SUPPORTS THAT AS WELL. AND WE'VE HAD CASES THAT WE'VE SEEN AT OUR CAC THAT WHERE ANIMAL ABUSE LED TO AN INVESTIGATION OF CHILD ABUSE. ABSOLUTELY. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LINNEGAR. THANK YOU,
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MADAM CHAIR. PLEASURE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. THE WORK THAT YOU DO AT FAMILY CHILDREN'S PLACE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE AN INCREDIBLE ASSET TO THE WORK OF THE COORDINATING COUNCIL, IF I MIGHT. AND I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SERVING. IF I MIGHT VENTURE OFF TOPIC BRIEFLY ABOUT FAMILY AND CHILDREN'S PLACE, IT IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF SOCIAL WORK. AND OUR, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HERE IN LOUISVILLE. AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ALL IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT YEAR, RECEIVE ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT YOU NEED FROM BOTH THE CITY AND THE STATE FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT YOU DO. AND I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD HERE. WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT TREMENDOUSLY, SIR. YEAH. WELL, A LITTLE, LITTLE JUMP START BEFORE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. SO OUR FINAL PERSON IS BRITTANY DOYLE. SHE WILL BE SERVING ON THE COURT ORDER BATTERERS SEAT. SHE WILL BE FILLING THAT SEAT. AND BRITTANY WORKS AS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR WITH THE NEW BEGINNINGS EDUCATION AND COUNSELING PROGRAM. SHE HAS HER MASTER'S OF SOCIAL WORK AND SHE HAS EXPERIENCE IN MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING. SHE IS HERE IN[15. AP072225BD APPOINTMENT OF BRITTNEY DOYLE TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 26, 2028) Action Required By: December 26, 2025 Sponsors: ]
CHAMBERS TO INTRODUCE HERSELF. GOOD EVENING. I'M BRITTANY DOYLE AND I AM A BATTERERS INTERVENTION PROVIDER IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NEW BEGINNINGS FOR ALMOST A DECADE, SO I CAME IN AS A PRACTICUM STUDENT, VERY UNAWARE OF THINGS HAPPENING IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT FROM HERE. I'M FROM A VERY SMALL TOWN IN EASTERN KENTUCKY, BUT I SEE THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS. I SEE THE DISCONNECTS OF COMMUNICATION OFTEN, THE BREAKDOWN OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BATTERERS INTERVENTION PROVIDERS, EXCUSE ME AND THE COURT SYSTEMS ATTORNEYS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. MY GOAL IS TO DO THIS, TO BRIDGE THAT GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO, AND I'M HONORED FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN LEIDIGER, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING US HERE. I WANT TO SAY SPECIFICALLY THAT THE BATTERER INTERVENTION PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I HEARD A LOT ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING AND THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FUNDED AT THE RATE THAT IT SHOULD BE. AND IT'S PRACTICALLY PENNIES IN OUR BUDGET TO BRING THIS UP TO WHAT THE NEED IS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO HOPEFULLY YOU WILL YOU'LL GET THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED ON THE BOARD. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN NOW VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I, I ANY OPPOSITION. THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. OUR MEETING IS NOW[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]
ADJOURNED. ALL RIGHT.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.