[1. O-151-25 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT INCLUDING APPROPRIATIONS AND AUTHORIZATIONS FOR OPERATION, MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, AND FUNCTIONING OF THE GOVERNMENT AND ITS VARIOUS OFFICERS, DEPARTMENTS, COMMISSIONS, INSTITUTIONS, AGENCIES, AND OTHER METRO-SUPPORTED ACTIVITIES. 6/16/25 Special Budget Committee Held Action Required By: December 12, 2025 Sponsors: Kevin Kramer (R-11) ]

INCLUDING APPROPRIATIONS MOTION. I NEED A SECOND.

IT'S PROPERLY BEFORE US. SO IN THE DISCUSSION.

HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE DO. THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES ON HERE.

SO WE HAVE THE OPERATING BUDGET BEFORE US. I'M GOING TO ASK MISS STEINBERG IF SHE WOULD GO THROUGH AND SHARE A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.

AND WE'LL START WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET. WE MAY HAVE SOME CAPITAL CONVERSATION MIXED IN.

WE WILL COME BACK AND VOTE ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET SEPARATELY.

SO YOU HAVE SEPARATE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAPITAL BUDGET. WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE. BUT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MISS STEINBERG THERE WAS AN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

THERE IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT'S COMING FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

AND SO I'LL START WITH AARON JACKSON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

COUNCIL MEMBERS I BELIEVE YOU ALREADY YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LIST OF PROPOSED FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.

AND I'LL START WITH THE OPERATING. BUT JUST TO READ THOSE IN THE RECORD.

THESE FIRST COUPLE DON'T IMPACT. THEY DON'T HAVE A BUDGETARY IMPACT ON WHAT? WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED THIS AFTERNOON. BUT I DID WANT TO NOTE ON PAGE 187 OF THE EXTERNAL AGENCY SECTION AND THE RECOMMENDED EXECUTIVE BUDGET

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DOCUMENT. ONE OF THE APPROPRIATIONS FOR SAINT SOCIETY OF SAINT VINCENT DE PAUL. AND LET ME FIND THAT THEY. ARE SEARCHING FOR THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAVE. IT'S THE ONE WITH THE YELLOW LINE.

WHICH ONE IS IT? JUST. I'M JUST MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE READING FROM.

IT'S THE ONE WITH THE YELLOW LINE ON TOP. YES, IT IS, AND I AM TRYING TO.

OH, IT'S LISTED IN THE BUDGET AS 1.1 MILLION.

IT SHOULD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN 500,000. SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE FINAL BUDGET DOCUMENT ALSO LISTED ON PAGE 187 OF THE RECOMMENDED EXECUTIVE BUDGET FOR THE FAMILY HEALTH CENTERS.

IT LISTED THE APPROPRIATION OF $786,500, AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN $786,900.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO TO NOTE THAT CHANGE AS WELL.

AND THAT CHANGE WAS UNDER PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

THE NEXT ONE RELATES TO A GRANT THAT WE BUDGET ANNUALLY, AND IT WAS INADVERTENTLY OMITTED.

AND THAT WAS FOR LMPD AT 750,000. THE NEXT ONE RELATES TO OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES.

AND THIS RELATES TO ACTION PLAN, THE APPROVED ACTION PLAN FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT ALLOCATIONS FOR THE ESG GRANT. THAT AMOUNT DID DECREASE FROM 965,000 TO 962,700, WHICH IS A DECREASE OF $2,300. THE NEXT ONE IS FOR THAT INCREASE FROM 1.6 MILLION TO 1,000,644 600.

AND THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 44,600. AND AGAIN, THAT ALIGNS WITH THE APPROVED ACTION PLAN.

AND THAT FUNDING IS ACTUALLY IT WAS BUDGETED UNDER HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUDGETED UNDER THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. SO THAT FULL AMOUNT, 01,644,600 WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM OK'D TO OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. CDBG THE OVERALL ALLOCATION INCREASED FROM 10,000,990 TO 11,301,200. AND THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE RELATES TO IT INCREASED FROM 2 MILLION TO 3 MILLION, 851 TO 200.

AND THAT WAS A PART OF THE APPROVED ACTION PLAN AS WELL.

AND THEN FOR A PCD THERE WAS A IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUDGET, BUT THERE WAS A GRANT MATCH AMOUNT THAT WAS LISTED AT 1,000,009, 75, 900.

AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 1,000,009 25 900. AND THAT DIFFERENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUDGETED UNDER PERSONNEL SERVICES.

SO WE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE.

THERE WERE THREE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.

ONE RELATES TO THE HOUSING. OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR LISK LOUISVILLE.

AND THAT WAS FOR $150,000 GRANT. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS FOR ABC ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL.

AND THAT WAS FOR ADDITIONAL AFTER HOURS ENFORCEMENT FOR 100,000.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WAS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A $263,000 FOR EXTENDED HOURS THROUGH EMERGENCY SERVICES.

SO THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF THE OPERATING FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS MOTION PROPERLY BEFORE US.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. JACKSON? CALLS RECORD REFLECT, PLEASE.

THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN SCOTT READ. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE ABC CHANGE? SURE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL HOURS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE THE NEWBURGH FACILITY.

SO THAT'S JUST WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THOSE FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL.

IS THAT ABC EMERGENCY SERVICES. DID I SAY ABC? I DON'T KNOW, YOU HAD ME WONDERING WHAT I ASKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

YEAH, I THINK SHE ASKED FOR ABC, A B, ABC. I'M LOOKING AT EMERGENCY SERVICES.

MY APOLOGIES. ABC, THAT'S FOR ADDITIONAL AFTER HOURS ENFORCEMENT.

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IN THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT? THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL IN ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.

SURE. I GUESS IT'S JUST I KNOW QUESTIONS, NOT GRIEVANCES, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THIS ADDITION TO THEIR BUDGET, GIVEN THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THEM COME IN AND DO A BUDGET HEARING.

SO I CAN'T EVEN SPEAK TO ANYTHING THAT'S IN THEIR BUDGET TO SAY IF THIS IS A GOOD AMENDMENT OR NOT.

SO I FEEL BLIND NO MATTER WHAT ASKED QUESTION I ASK AND WHAT ANSWER YOU GIVE.

BUT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS JUST MONEY. $400,000 FOR OVERTIME OF EXISTING ABC OFFICERS.

CAN YOU SAY IT ONE MORE TIME? SO IT'S $100,000 FOR ADDITIONAL AFTER HOURS ENFORCEMENT.

COUNCILMAN WINKLER AARON, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'VE BEEN IN SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY YOUR DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BASICALLY, THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE DOWNTOWN BARDSTOWN ROAD, OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW, AS THEY HAVE ISSUES COME UP, THEY WANT TO HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES PRIMARILY IN OUR BARS AND, AND ENFORCEMENT AREAS. AND THEY FELT LIKE ANOTHER $100,000 OVER TIME WAS NEEDED TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT BUT THAT WORD OVER TIME. THIS IS OVERTIME TO THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES OF OUR ALREADY OVERBURDENED ABC STAFF.

THANK YOU. CAN I? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS.

YEAH. JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY, I KNOW THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT DID TALK TO BRAD.

AND I, I, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT THEY DIDN'T COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, BUT I'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR YOU KNOW, FOR ABC TO GET SECOND SHIFT AND CODES, BECAUSE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF EIGHT AND FOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE A LOT. SO, I MEAN, FOR THEM TO HAVE OVERTIME, TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THINGS, TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THOSE BAD ACTORS. FUNDING EXTRA FUNDING WOULD HAVE NEEDED FOR THOSE EXTRA HOURS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. NO. OKAY. COUNCILMAN PARISH WAS GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT FOR THE PAST TWO, THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND BUDGET CYCLE.

FOR THE PAST TWO BUDGETS, I'VE ASKED FOR A DETAILED ACCOUNTING OF NOW THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES, WHEN THEY DO ENCAMPMENT AND CLEARINGS AND ALL OF THAT.

AND FOR EVERYTHING, THE MACHINERY FOR THE THE STAFF THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE.

AND I'VE YET TO RECEIVE THAT. AND I ALWAYS GET WE'LL SEND YOU BY EMAIL.

WE'LL FOLLOW UP. I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL STOP THERE FOR RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DETAILED ACCOUNTING OF THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. COUNCILMAN HERNDON, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK THIS MAYBE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I THINK THAT WHEN I SAW THAT EXTRA $100,000 GO IN, THAT MAY BE IT MAY I MAY NOT BE CORRECT THAT THAT MAY BE FOR THE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE FOR THE PROPOSED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT MAY BE, BECAUSE THERE IS A THERE'S A SECTION OF DOWNTOWN.

IT'S BEING IT'S NOT IN YET, BUT IT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE ADDED.

AND THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE FOR SOME EXTRA WORK ON ON BEHALF OF ABC PERSONNEL.

COUNCILMAN, I COULDN'T TELL IF YOU WERE SEEKING TO GET BACK IN.

OH, YEAH. THEN YOU ARE. THANK YOU. I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I'M NOT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR ABC IS GOING TO BE.

I THINK THAT IF ANYTHING, ABC NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED ACROSS OUR ENTIRE COUNTY.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS I'M SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR BUDGET OR HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUGGEST THAT INSTEAD OF OVERTIME, MAYBE WE HIRE AN ENTIRELY NEW POSITION BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND THEY'LL BE WORKING THEIR REGULAR HOURS AND THEN THEY WILL BE HAVING OVERTIME INTO THE EVENING. I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE COULDN'T JUST ADJUST CERTAIN PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES TO ACCOMMODATE THE LATER SHIFTS WITHOUT HAVING TO DABBLE INTO OVERTIME.

BUT I CAN'T ASK THAT. AND EVERYONE'S ANNOYED THAT I'M ASKING THAT NOW.

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BUT WHEN ELSE WOULD I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT CALLS FOR A VOICE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE AMENDMENT PASSES AND WE HAVE THE THE AMENDED VERSION OF THE OPERATING BUDGET BEFORE US WITH THE AMENDED VERSION THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD. SO IN ORDER TO BRING FORWARD THAT AMENDED VERSION.

I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN THAT MISS STEINBERG EXPLAINED THE CHANGES.

I WILL EXPLAIN YOU HAVE THIS AMENDED BUDGET IN FRONT OF YOU AS YOU CAME IN.

IF YOU DIDN'T GET A COPY, THERE'S SOME UP THERE, BUT I WILL DO THIS PAGE BY PAGE AND POINT OUT WHAT IT IS THAT'S BEING AMENDED ON PAGE TWO, THE OPERATING. YEAH, IT'S THE 16 PAGE. IT'S A 16 PAGE.

YES. OKAY. PAGE TWO. UNDER METRO COUNCIL THERE THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE NFE FUND AMOUNTS. THAT COMES FROM SEVERAL THINGS.

EACH OF YOU SUPPLIED YOUR WISHES OF HOW YOU WANTED TO MOVE INDIA TO CIF OR CIF TO INDIA OR INDIA TO COST CENTER, OR INDIA TO SOME OTHER PROJECTS. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT, YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THAT.

BUT THOSE BALANCES ARE WHAT'S LEFT AFTER WHAT YOU ASK.

IN ADDITION, WHAT'S ON THIS LIST IS DISTRICT THREE HAD SENT A REQUEST TO MOVE 15,000 OF THEIR INDIA TO THEIR COST CENTER.

IT WAS LEFT OFF OF THIS, SO WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT ONE AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T SEE IT IN INK.

$7,500 FOR PERSONNEL AND 7500 FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS.

THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDING ARE SEVERAL LINES THAT WE ADD EVERY YEAR, SO THAT THE UNEXPENDED FUNDS FROM YOUR INDIA FOR YOUR FOR YOUR INDIA APPS WILL CARRY FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR. THAT'LL BE IN THE APPS THAT YOU HAVE APPROPRIATED INSIDE TO OTHER OUTSIDE YOUR UNALLOCATED DNFS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED TO OTHER PLACES. IT ALSO WILL. IF YOU END THE YEAR WITH A NEGATIVE IN YOUR COST CENTER, IT WILL TAKE FUNDS FROM YOUR NDA TO MAKE THAT WHOLE.

IT ALSO IF THERE'S ANY MONEY LEFT IN THE COST CENTERS AS A WHOLE.

IT'S BROUGHT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE CARRIED FORWARD SO THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN USE THOSE FUNDS IN A WAY.

COMMITTEES ON COMMITTEES ASK THAT TO BE DONE ALSO BY DECEMBER 35TH.

IF YOUR BALANCE IS GREATER THAN $200,000, YOU'LL SUBMIT A PLAN FOR THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS TO THE BUDGET CHAIRS AND THE PRESIDENT BY JANUARY 31ST. WE ALSO HAVE 5% COST OF LIVING FOR ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR STAFF, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR.

FOR ALL THE METRO NONUNION EMPLOYEES, THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST.

IN THE. MR. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO READ WHICH EACH OF THE DISTRICTS MOVED FROM INDIANA.

THERE IS A SUMMARY SHEET OF THAT, AND WE'LL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.

PAGE THREE WE'RE ADDING A SENTENCE. NOTHING'S CHANGING WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

NOW A LOT OF THESE I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH WHAT AARON'S ALREADY PUT IN.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT HE DID. AND SO THE THE OFFICE OF STRATEGIC INITIATIVE IS REQUIRED TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE US THAT REPORT THAT THEY ALREADY A PROGRAM OF THEIR QUARTERLY PROGRAMING AND A FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE THRIVE BY FIVE LOUISVILLE PROJECT, THE GROUP VIOLENCE INTERVENTION.

AGAIN, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THEY CONTINUE TO GIVE US THEIR QUARTERLY REPORT FOR THEIR PROGRAMMATIC AND FINANCIAL INFORMATION FOR THE GROUP VIOLENCE INTERVENTION PROGRAM UNDER OFFICE OF VIOLENCE AND PREVENTION. WE'RE ADDING TWO SENTENCES.

ONE, THAT THERE'S $450,000 BEING ADDED FOR A CALIFORNIA CVI AND ANTI-VIOLENCE COALITION SITE.

THE SECOND IS THAT THE THE REQUESTED TO CONTINUE SENDING THEIR QUARTERLY REPORT.

WHAT'S NOT ON THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? BUT I NEED TO BRING IT UP IS THERE ARE SEVERAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE GETTING FUNDING, AND SOME OF THOSE WERE WERE IN ERROR. LISTED UNDER OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES.

THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO MOVE BACK TO OFFICE OF PREVENTION.

THOSE ARE THE ACE PROJECT. BLOSSOMS OF HOPE. BLUEGRASS CENTER FOR AUTISM, GALILEE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, PLAY COUSINS COLLECTIVE, THE SCHULLER PREP ACADEMY.

THOSE AND THEIR MONEY TOTALING $620,000, IS BEING MOVED TO THIS BUDGET.

PAGE FOR THREE DIFFERENT LINES OF INSTRUCTIONS ONE.

UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDED IN THE FUNDING, WE'VE ADDED $5,000 FOR DISTRICT NINE FRANKFORD AVENUE TROLLEY HOP 325,000

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TO THE LOUISVILLE ORCHESTRA 200. AND WHEN I SAY THESE NUMBERS, SOMETIMES THERE WAS MONEY ALREADY IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET.

SO THIS IS THE TOTAL THAT THEY'RE GETTING, NOT JUST AN INCREASE THAT WE'RE DOING 100,000 TO ROUTES 101, 100,000 TO US, A USA 250 COMMISSION AND $330,000 TO SISTER CITIES.

ALSO, THERE'S $500,000 TO KENTUCKY COLLEGE OF ARTS AND DESIGN, AND THE APPROPRIATION TO WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL THEY PRESENT A PLAN TO METRO COUNCIL.

HOW THEY WILL COLLABORATE WITH TENANTS OF THE LOUISVILLE GARDEN AS A MEANS TO FURTHER EDUCATE STUDENTS IN THE FILM INDUSTRY.

THE NEXT ITEM IS $1.5 MILLION TO. THERE IS $1.5 MILLION INCLUDED IN THE LOUISVILLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. WE'RE NOT ADDING THAT IT'S ALREADY IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, BUT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY REPORT TO METRO COUNCIL TO AT LEAST INCLUDE THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AS WELL AS THE VALUE OF OUR EMPLOYEES WORKING ON THEIR PROJECTS.

THE NEXT ONE IS CODES AND REGULATIONS IS BEING REDUCED BY 500,000.

THE THE OFFICE OF I THINK THAT WAS A FRIENDLY.

THAT LAST LINE, THAT WAS A SOMETHING MADE BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

BUT ON PAGE FIVE, THERE IS A $40,000 CONTRACT TO METRO HOUSING RESOURCE CENTER FOR EMERGENCY HOME REPAIR PROGRAM TO ASSIST HOMEOWNERS THAT MEET THE ESTABLISHED INCOME GUIDELINE IN DISTRICT FIVE.

$30,000 FOR A CONTRACT WITH THE METRO HOUSING RESOURCE CENTER FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICE RELIEF PROGRAM TO ASSIST HOMEOWNERS THAT MEET THE ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES IN DISTRICT ONE 25,000 TO NEW DIRECTION HOME REPAIR. AND I JUST GOT AN EMAIL THIS MORNING THAT THEY ONLY WANT THAT TO BE 15,000 NOW. SO WE'LL CHANGE THAT 25 TO 15 FOR THE NEW DIRECTION HOME REPAIR FOR DISTRICTS 21 AND $50,000 TO TWIN BLADES LAWN CARE FOR ELIGIBLE DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS.

IN UNDER CHIEF OF POLICE. WE HAVE $30,000 FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT SPEEDING ISSUES IN THE SIXTH DIVISION WITHIN DISTRICT 26. 50 $60,000 FOR LMPD CAMERAS IN DISTRICT TWO.

AND THERE'S ALSO, MR. CHAIR. THERE'S ALSO $50,000 FOR CAMERAS IN DISTRICT THREE.

WE HAVE ONE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET AND ONE IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES THOSE SHOULD BE.

I JUST CAUGHT THAT TODAY. SO WE'LL JUST NOTE THAT AND IT'LL BE CORRECT FOR THURSDAY.

THEN THE THE REQUESTED TO CONTINUE, GIVEN THEIR WEEKLY REPORTS ON CRIME AND THEY ARE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE GENERAL COUNSEL WITH A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE FIRST RESPONDER TRAINING FACILITY BY MARCH 30TH 1ST TO 2026, INCLUDING GOVERNMENT PARTNERS. LOCATION. CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES.

ON PAGE SIX UNDER ABC. THE EXCUSE ME, THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM THE MAYOR.

UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THEY SUBMIT THEIR NEW FACILITY STUDY TO THE METRO COUNCIL AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE IN UNDER EMERGENCY SERVICES.

THEY'RE REQUESTING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THEIR QUARTERLY REPORT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING ABOUT THEIR 911 CALL PRIORITIZATION AND DEFLECTION PROGRAM ON PAGE SEVEN UNDER ANIMAL SERVICES. THERE IS I THINK THESE THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS HAVE CHANGED, BUT THERE IS MONEY GOING TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES FROM INDIVIDUALS IN THESE FUNDS FOR THEIR MONTHLY EVENTS FOR SPAY AND NEUTERING SERVICES. DISTRICT EIGHT HAS GIVEN $4,700. DISTRICT NINE 2300.

DISTRICT 15 2300. DISTRICT 22,300 AND DISTRICT INDUSTRY, 24 IS THE THOUSAND AND 50, NOT THE 600 THAT YOU SEE WRITTEN THERE. THEN UNDER TRANSITIONAL SERVICES, THEY'RE JUST ASKED TO CONTINUE THEIR QUARTERLY REPORT.

ON PAGE EIGHT UNDER FREE PUBLIC LIBRARY. THERE IS FUNDING GOING TO THE COLLENDER PROGRAM AT THE SOUTH CENTRAL REGIONAL LIBRARY. AND AGAIN THE THE MONIES THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE NOT CORRECT.

IT SHOULD BE THAT DISTRICT 24 IS GIVEN $5,000.

DISTRICT 21 IS GIVEN 1200 AND DISTRICT 13 IS GIVEN 500 FROM THEIR NDF.

AND WHEN I READ THOSE CHANGES IN NUMBERS, YOU KNOW THAT IT CHANGES THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THE TOTAL AND BACK ON THE NDF DOLLAR AMOUNT.

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SO WE'LL MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN. ON PAGE NINE, UNDER THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES, I READ TO YOU THOSE THOSE NONPROFITS THAT ARE BEING MOVED TO OFFICE OF PREVENTION OF VIOLENCE.

SO I WILL JUST READ THE ONES THAT ARE STAYING HERE.

$600 TO DARE TO CARE. THE COUNCIL ADDED 100,000 TO THE 500 THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET, 130,000 TO ELDER SERVER, ALL TO ALZHEIMER'S CENTER, 420,000 TO THE COUNCIL ADDED 120,000 TO LEGAL AID FOR EVICTION SUPPORT, 250,000 FOR THE ARTHUR STREET HOTEL, 20,000 FOR PROJECT WARM, 140,000 TO MARY HEARST, 200,000 TO USA CARES TO EXPAND THEIR TRAINING CENTER.

IN ADDITION, 100,000 TO JOSHUA COMMUNITY CONNECTOR AND 15,000 TO 724 INC AND 20,000 TO OPTIONS TO SUCCESS. ANY BALANCES THAT OF YOUR ADF FUNDS WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR FROM ANY PROGRAMS YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN MONEY TO IN THIS DEPARTMENT. THEN THEY ARE CAN. THEY'RE ASKED TO CONTINUE GIVING US THEIR QUARTERLY REPORT ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS, AND INCLUDING WITH THEIR PROJECTS AND THE OUTCOMES ON PAGE TEN.

PARKS AND RECREATIONS. THERE IS 30,000 FOR THE DISTRICT ONE PARK ACTIVITY ACCOUNT, 14,200 FOR DISTRICT ONE PARKLAND, COMMUNITY GARDEN LAND, LAWN CARE, $8,000 FOR THE RIVERVIEW INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL, 2000 OF THAT'S COMING FROM DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT 13, 14 AND 25, AND 21,500 FOR DISTRICT 24 PARK ACTIVITY ACCOUNT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO $500 FOR SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK, 1000 FOR FOREST PARK FEST AND 20,000 FOR FRIDAY FEST.

THERE'S ALSO $75,000. THE MAYOR HAD 50,000. THE COUNCIL IS ADDING 25,000 FOR THE LOUISVILLE YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE, 110,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE VALLEY STATION BASEBALL FIELD 150,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PRAIRIE VALLEY BASEBALL FIELD THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE JC FOUNDATION. 10,000 TO THE SHAWNEE YOUTH CENTER.

50,000 FOR THE SHIVELY SPLIT TO THE CITY OF SHIVELY FOR THEIR SPLASH PAD IN DISTRICT THREE AND 25,000 TO TREES, LOUISVILLE. THERE IS ALSO SOME 50,000 THAT WAS ADDED FOR A FULL TIME POSITION AT THE PLATO COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE WERE ASKING THAT THEY CONTINUE THEIR QUARTERLY REPORTS ON ON THEIR STRUCTURES AND THEIR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THEIR PROJECT DEVELOPMENTS. WE'RE ALSO ASKING THEY HAVE THE MAYOR MOVED JEFFERSON COUNTY SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND THE SOIL AND WATER AND THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COOPERATIVE EXTENSION TO PARKS FROM THE FIRST TIME AND WERE ASKING THAT THEY CONTINUE TO GIVE US THE SAME REPORTS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS GIVING US FROM THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE ASK THAT THEY PROVIDE NOW A QUARTERLY REPORT UPDATING ON THE NEW PARK RANGER PROGRAM THAT JUST WAS IMPLEMENTED A FEW WEEKS BACK, AND INCLUDING WHAT PARKS ARE BEING SERVED, THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY ARE OPERATING IN ANY CHANGING CRIMINAL IN CRIME STATISTICS.

UNDER HEALTH AND WELLNESS, THERE'S 50,000 THAT'S BEEN ADDED FOR LEAD TESTING ON PAGE 11.

THERE IS SIGNIFICANT FUNDS THAT WE'VE ADDED ANOTHER CYCLE FOR MOWING.

SO THE WHOLE MOWING CYCLE WILL GO FROM FIVE MOWING TO SIX MOWING DURING THIS THIS ORDINANCE AT THE BOTTOM UNDER OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

UNEXPENDED UNEXPENDED BALANCES FROM ANY OF YOUR DNFS ARE GOING TO BE CARRIED FORWARD.

IN PAGE 12. UNDER HUMAN RESOURCES, THE CURRENT CHILD CARE ASSISTANT BENEFIT WILL BE ELIMINATED JULY 1ST, 2025. HOWEVER, EMPLOYEES USING THE BENEFIT DURING FISCAL YEAR 2425 WILL BE GRANDFATHERED INTO THE PROGRAM UNTIL THEY'RE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR THIS BENEFIT UNDER CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION. THERE'S $120,000 THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO EXPAND THE FAIRDALE FIRE BUILDING TO HOUSE EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL TO FIGHT FIRES IN THE JEFFERSON COUNTY MEMORIAL FOREST. PAGE 13. UNDER FACILITIES AND FLEET, THEY ARE REQUESTED TO CONTINUE TO SEND THEIR QUARTERLY ENERGY REPORT. SAME REPORT AND THE REQUESTED TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF THE SPACE PLANNING

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MASTER PLAN TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE PRIOR TO DECEMBER 31ST OF 2025 ON PAGE 14 UNDER EXTERNAL AGENCIES.

THESE TWO PARAGRAPHS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST FEW YEARS BUDGETS.

THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARE REQUESTED TO SHARE SCORING RESULTS WITH THE APPLICANTS AND PROVIDE EXPLANATION TO ALL APPLICANTS WHOSE APPLICATIONS WERE NOT CONSIDERED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 27 EXTERNAL AGENCY FUND, NO LATER THAN MAY 1ST OF 2026, AND THE THOSE THREE OFFICES ARE REQUESTED TO OBTAIN APPROVAL FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE EXTERNAL AGENCY PANEL IF ANY CHANGES ARE MADE AFTER THEIR INITIAL APPROVAL OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

AND ON THE LAST PAGE, PAGE 16, WE'RE ADDING FOUR NEW THINGS.

THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER REQUESTED TO PROVIDE QUARTERLY PROGRESS REPORTS ON MAXIMIZING MAXIMIZING AVAILABLE MEDICARE BILLING OPPORTUNITIES.

THAT WAS ON LAST YEAR AS WELL. SO THEY'RE JUST CONTINUING IT.

THEY ARE ASKED TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THEIR QUARTERLY REPORTING ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS AND OUTCOMES.

I THINK WE HAD THAT ONE OTHER PLACE, TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S IN TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

THEY'RE REQUESTED TO CONTINUE THE QUARTERLY REPORTS ON ALL CONTRACTS OR GRANTS AWARDED TO NONPROFITS OVER $50,000.

THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN EXTERNAL AGENCY PANELS CURRENTLY.

AND THE LAST THING WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET IS THAT ANY THROUGHOUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, IF THERE IS ANY NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THAT ARE REMAINING THAT THEY CARRY FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR. AND THAT IS IT. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ALL OF THE CHANGES TO THE AMENDMENT, AS DESCRIBED OR SUMMARIZED IS BEING PROPOSED.

AND I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMENDED BUDGET? COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. THANK YOU. CAN I GET CONFIRMATION THAT THERE'S NO MONEY IN THIS BUDGET FOR AN LMPD TRAINING FACILITY. JUST THE REQUEST THAT THERE'S A PLAN PROVIDED.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPERATING BUDGET. RIGHT.

BUT, I MEAN, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THEM BEING REQUIRED.

THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. I'LL COME BACK WITH THAT.

I THINK YOU'RE IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. LMA HAS ACTUALLY SHOWS A DECREASE.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT DECREASE? WHAT AM I. LET ME.

KNOW.

YEAH. THERE'S ABOUT A $30,000 DECREASE IS WHAT I'M SHOWING, IF I MAY.

MR. JACKSON, IN THAT LIST THAT YOU ALL SENT OVER THE THAT $5 MILLION TO GET THERE.

IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT LIST. OUR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A COPY OF IT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND SHARING WHERE IN THAT LIST THAT IS, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. SURE. IT'S ON PAGE ON THIS PAGE TWO OF THREE.

IT'S REFERENCE NUMBER 31 WHERE WE'RE REDUCING THEIR BUDGET BY 42,000.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY READ THE BUDGET COMMENT FORMS, BUT LAMAR IS ONE OF THE TOP THREE THINGS THAT CAME IN.

AND HERE WE ARE GIVING THEM A DECREASE. SO THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

I ALSO JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE RECEIVED ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS AT 10:30 A.M.

THIS MORNING. SO IF WE COULD PLEASE CHECK OURSELVES WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ACT LIKE SOMEBODY DUMB FOR ASKING A QUESTION WHILE THEY'RE ALSO GETTING A PAPER CUT.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. KICAD I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE GIVING THEM $500,000.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS, AND I KNOW I COULD PICK APART A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES, BUT I HADN'T HEARD FROM THAT, OR EVEN KNEW THAT THEY HAD A FILM PROGRAM UNTIL THEY REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE ON JUNE 16TH.

SEVEN DAYS LATER, WE'RE GIVING THEM HALF $1 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET.

OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, SUCH AS THE BLUEGRASS CENTER FOR AUTISM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO CAME AND ADDRESSED US, THEY CAME TO COUNSEL. THEY CAME TO THE COMMUNITY BUDGET MEETING.

THEY VOLUNTEERED WITH MY OFFICE. THEY WERE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION.

THEY FILLED OUT THE BUDGET FORM. SO WHY ARE WE GIVING THIS ORGANIZATION $500,000? I'M CONFUSED. WHO WERE THEY TALKING TO? SO I APOLOGIZE IF IF THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT SUGGESTED THAT, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS WERE INAPPROPRIATE. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE ASKING QUESTIONS. I SIMPLY WAS POINTING OUT THAT WE'RE DOING TWO DIFFERENT BUDGETS. THERE'S A CAPITAL BUDGET AND OPERATING BUDGET. THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE FOR THE POLICE OR FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS TRAINING FACILITY THAT'S IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET. AND I WILL CALL ON YOU.

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WHEN IS THE CAPITAL BUDGET? AND I CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME THOSE QUESTIONS.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU TWO ANSWERS, AND I'LL ALLOW WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK TO TO DO THAT.

BUT FOR THE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC. WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN APRIL WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTED HIS BUDGET. WE HAVE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, AND THROUGH THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THE VICE CHAIR AND I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN CONVERSATIONS WITH, AS WITH, I WOULD SAY, EVERYBODY. RIGHT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT PRIORITIES ARE FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS AND HOW WE WORK OUT AND, AND BEST ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THOSE PRIORITIES. I STARTED BY THANKING THE ADMINISTRATION AND BY THANKING LATONYA AND AND BETH AARON AND BETH WERE WORKING ON THIS DOCUMENT EARLY, EARLY, EARLY INTO THIS MORNING.

I ASSURE YOU, NO ONE IS DELAYING GETTING YOU INFORMATION.

THEY'RE WORKING AS FAST AS THEY CAN TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO THAT WE HAVE OUR TEAM THAT DELAYED THE THE.

I NEVER HEARD FROM THAT. OKAY. SO IN FAIRNESS TO HEAR THAT THEY'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THIS THING THAT WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT WHEN THEY DIDN'T APPROACH ALL 26 OF US EQUALLY.

SO I FIND THAT TO BE PROBLEMATIC. THAT'S A DIFFERENT I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE CLEAR, LIKE HOW WE GOT TO TODAY WITH YOU HAVING THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU.

OKAY. I'M ONLY ADDRESSING THAT. THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GET THESE DOCUMENTS TODAY? AND NOW WE'RE VOTING ON IT. AND THE ANSWER IS THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX BUDGET.

IT TAKES LOTS AND LOTS OF CONVERSATION. MANY, MANY THINGS HAD TO BE WORKED ON AND CHANGED AS RECENTLY AGAIN, AS EARLY THIS MORNING, WE WERE STILL WORKING ON LANGUAGE.

THE QUESTION ABOUT SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS IN THERE IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT QUESTION, RIGHT? THOSE THOSE SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS WERE NOT ADDED LAST YESTERDAY OR THE WEEK BEFORE.

RIGHT. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE BUDGET FOR LITERALLY WEEKS NOW.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY HOW ANY YOU PICK ANY ONE ITEM THAT'S IN HERE AND SAY, HOW DID THAT GET THERE? AND THE ANSWER IS IN THE NEGOTIATING PROCESS.

THESE CAME UP AS PRIORITIES FOR FOLKS, AND WE WERE TRYING TO RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD TO AS MANY PRIORITIES AS WE COULD POSSIBLY RESPOND TO.

NOW, AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO, YOU KNOW, ITEMS THAT ARE NEGOTIATED IN, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT I WANT TO DEFEND AS CHAIR.

I WANTED TO DEFEND THE BUDGET IN TOTAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.

I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY WHO'S PAYING ATTENTION THAT THIS DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN.

THERE ARE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT TAKE PLACE, A LOT OF NEGOTIATION, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO FOLKS ARE INCLUDED.

WE DON'T HAVE LIMITLESS, LIMITLESS RESOURCES, SO WE HAVE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET HERE.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. I CAN'T SPEAK PERSONALLY TO MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON HERE, BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE SOME OF THEM CAME FROM.

I JUST KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SOMEONE. AND I FEEL SURE, AND I'M NOT.

I HOPE MY VICE CHAIR DOESN'T FEEL LIKE I'M PICKING ON HIM, BUT I ASSURE YOU, THERE ARE ITEMS IN THIS BUDGET THAT HE PROBABLY DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM EITHER. BECAUSE WHEN WE CAME TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE TABLE, I SAID, COUNCILMAN WINKLER, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I DIDN'T TELL HIM WHY OR WHERE IT CAME FROM.

WE STARTED THE NEGOTIATION. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THERE WERE THINGS IN THERE THAT MIGHT NOT BE HIS FIRST CHOICE.

I ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE MY FIRST CHOICE, BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO CONSENSUS, WE AGREED THIS WAS THE BEST NEGOTIATION POSSIBLE.

SO THAT'S THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW PROTRACTED WE WANT TO GET IN OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ITEM THAT SHOWS UP IN THERE. BUT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO CARRY ON THAT CONVERSATION, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING I WILL STAND BEHIND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE.

SO, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL JUST ADD, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET IS FAR FROM PERFECT, RIGHT? AND NO BUDGET IS PERFECT. YOU KNOW, THE I THINK IF YOU GO THROUGH THE THE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET, THERE'S VERY FEW THINGS IN THE BUDGET THAT'S IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY.

BUT EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET IS IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE THING TO REMEMBER.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE CRAFTING THE BUDGET, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

I THINK IF COUNCILMAN KRAMER WERE CRAFTING THE BUDGET, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY DIFFERENT. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, IF YOU WERE CRAFTING, THE BUDGET WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY DIFFERENT. AND THE SAME GOES FOR EVERY ONE OF US. AND THE SAME PROBABLY GOES FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE END UP WITH THE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEFORE US IS SORT OF THE AMALGAM OF THE ASKS OF 26 PLUS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET AND AND YEAH, IT'S FAR FROM PERFECT.

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BUT IT, IT IS REFLECTIVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OF THE ASKS OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, PEOPLE THAT HAVE EMAILED IN, PEOPLE THAT HAVE MET WITH US, PEOPLE THAT HAVE FILLED OUT THE FORMS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE MET SEPARATELY, AND OTHER PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.

THANK YOU. I GUESS ASKING ANY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS GOING TO BE MET WITH.

WELL, JENNIFER, THIS WASN'T IN A BUDGET YOU WOULD PROBABLY WRITE, BUT SOMEBODY ON THIS 26 PERSON COUNCIL WANTS IT.

SO WE ALL HAVE TO JUST GO WITH IT. THAT'S THE VIBE THAT I'M GETTING AND I'LL I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THIS JUST BECAUSE AS A REBUT THIS WAS SAID AND THIS IS IN OUR OPERATING DOCUMENT.

I'LL READ DIRECTLY FROM IT. LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE IS REQUESTED TO PROVIDE METRO COUNCIL A PLAN FOR A FUTURE FIRST RESPONDER TRAINING FACILITY BY MARCH 31ST, 2026, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, GOVERNMENT PARTNERS.

LOCATION AND CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. SO IF I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE FACILITY, IT'S BECAUSE YOU ALL BROUGHT IT UP FIRST.

THANK YOU. YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT MONEY THOUGH, IN THE BUDGET AND IF YOU CAN READ THAT LINE ITEM, THERE'S THERE'S NO FUNDING IN OPERATING FOR THAT LINE THAT YOU JUST READ.

SO THAT WAS MY RESPONSE. COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN.

SORRY. THANK YOU. OVERSIGHT ON MY PART I APOLOGIZE.

NOT INTENTIONALLY. OKAY. NO WORRIES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND I JUST WANT TO SECOND COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL.

THIS BUDGET PROCESS IS CONVOLUTED. LET THAT BE ON PUBLIC RECORD.

AND FROM WHAT I'M LEARNING, ABOUT 20 TO 25 MILLION IS MOVABLE.

SO WE'RE LEFT AFTER FRINGE AND AFTER EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR TO FIGHT OVER THIS WITH 26 DISTRICTS.

SO IT'S NOT EVENLY SPLIT UP. IT'S NOT AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS WITH ALL 26 OF US.

SO A LOT OF DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. BUT A BUDGET ISN'T MEANT TO BE RETALIATORY.

IT ISN'T MEANT TO HELP US GET REELECTED. IT'S TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE TAXPAYERS WHO HELP FUND THIS BUDGET.

AND WE ARE INCLUDED IN THERE. I DO WANT TO SAY, AS DISTRICT THREE WOULD HAVE IN THE CITY OF SHIVELY, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS, AND YOU DON'T SEE A LOT FOR DISTRICT THREE IN HERE.

MY QUESTION IS CENTERED AROUND THE $50,000 FOR THE SHIVELY SPLASH PAD, WHICH WAS PROMISED BY THE MAYOR OVER A YEAR AGO WHEN WE HAD MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENTS. I ALLOTTED OUR PORTION, THE 53,000 PLUS, TO GO FOR THE SPLASH PAD.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 50,000 THAT'S LISTED HERE IS NOT WHAT I HAD MOVED DURING THIS PROCESS, BUT THE COMMITMENT THAT THE MAYOR MADE TO PUT THAT.

SO IT IS EXTRA. SO WE ARE GETTING THE SPLASH PAD AND WE'RE GOING IN HALF WITH SHIVELY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S A WIN. I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.

IT IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE ARE HEARING FROM THE MANY GROUPS WHO HAVE BEEN XED OUT OF THE EAF PROCESS, AND I DO WANT TO SEE THAT SCORING, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE WORD IS HERE.

THE PROBLEM IS, MANY OF THOSE GROUPS ARE GOING TO COME TO US, AND WE HAVE WAY LIMITED FUNDS AND THINGS LIKE EKKO DIDN'T GET FUNDED.

THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.

BUT MY LAST QUESTION IS AROUND. THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE REFERENCE TO THE NEW FACILITY STUDY AND MAKING IT AVAILABLE WHEN IT'S DONE. I'M THINKING THIS IS RELATED TO THE CDL STUDY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

IT WAS SOMETHING AROUND. THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO CORRECTIONS IN THEIR NEW FACILITY STUDY MAKING SURE THAT IS THAT JUST CDL OR IS THERE ANOTHER STUDY THAT THIS IS FUNDING? YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. SO LAST IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, WE ALLOCATED $100,000.

AND PROBABLY THE TERMINOLOGY ISN'T GREAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CORRECTIONS FACILITY STUDY. IT WAS WE PUT $100,000 IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION.

I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT WE CALLED IT, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY TO STUDY CORRECTIONS FROM PREVENTION TO THE FACILITY TO RECIDIVISM, PREVENTING RECIDIVISM. SO THAT PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING.

I THINK BY DEPUTY MAYOR MASON'S LAST TESTIMONY, I THINK THEY HAVE A DRAFT OR ABOUT TO GET A DRAFT IN THAT JULY TIMEFRAME.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS JUST REQUESTING WHEN THAT REPORT IS FINISHED THAT IT'S SENT TO COUNCIL.

BUT THAT REPORT IS GOES BEYOND JUST SAYING THE BUILDING.

IT IS REALLY SORT OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR INMATES AND PREVENTING RECIDIVISM.

OKAY, MR. CHAIR, KEEPING IT TO THAT, THE THREE.

THE LAST PART OF MY QUESTIONS ARE AROUND. I AM GLAD TO SEE THE LEAD TESTING, GETTING THE FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED BECAUSE WE KNOW WITH THE CHANGES WE DON'T WANT THAT TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE. I HAD A QUESTION AROUND AND THE BUDGETS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NONPARTISAN.

I WILL I DO HAVE TO BE HONEST, THAT THIS FEELS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS REALLY BENEFITED FROM THIS PROCESS.

AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CLARITY AROUND WHAT'S THE SOUTH END FOR MY DISTRICT THREE?

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WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF THE WEST, A PART OF THE WEST END.

WE HAVE ABOUT 14 NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS SOUTH.

GEOGRAPHICALLY, IF YOU HAD A COMPASS. WE ARE SOUTH.

SO I WANTED CLARITY ON WHAT PART OF THE 3 MILLION ALLOCATED TO THE SOUTH OR THE WEST END INCORPORATES.

DISTRICT THREE. 16 WINKLER. SORRY. SO THAT IS IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

AND THERE IS A DEFINITION. SO WHEN WE GET AND IS IS SHIVELY OR DISTRICT THREE INCLUDED IN THAT DEFINITION AND WE CAN ANSWER IT.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT AS IS FAMILIAR.

WHERE? WHAT STREETS GO. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT MYSELF FOR THE CAPITAL BUDGET. BUT IN ADDITION TO ECHOING ALL THE THANKS THAT THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR SORT OF STATED FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, FOR BETHLEHEM AND THE MANY, MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS.

I WANT TO ALSO THANK SPECIFICALLY CHAIRMAN KRAMER, VICE CHAIR WINKLER, AND MY COLLEAGUE, THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRAT CAUCUS OR THE MAJORITY CAUCUS. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED PROCESS. IT HAS BEEN THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE 22, 23 YEARS SINCE THE FOUNDING OF MERGED GOVERNMENT.

AS BOTH CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR STATED. IF ANY ONE OF US WERE TO WRITE THIS BUDGET, IT WOULDN'T LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKS.

AND WHAT I FIND FASCINATING. THE CLAIM THAT WAS JUST MADE BY BY MY ONE COLLEAGUE THAT THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS A PARTIZAN BUDGET AND ONE CAUCUS MADE OUT BETTER THAN THE OTHER ONE.

I CAN ASSURE YOU, THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO TRUE, BECAUSE IF IT WERE, AGAIN, THIS BUDGET WOULD LOOK VERY DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK THAT AND I THINK THAT IT IS UNFAIR TO THE VICE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE MAJORITY CAUCUS WHO COMMUNICATED VERY REGULARLY WITH WITH THE CHAIRPERSON AND THEN MYSELF REGARDING COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS ON SOME VERY COMPLEX ISSUES TO NET OUT TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS, NOT BECAUSE I LIKE EVERY ASPECT OF IT.

I CAN GO LINE BY LINE THROUGH THIS. WE COULD BE HERE TILL ABOUT 10 P.M., GOING THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF AND CHANGES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. BUT I'M BUT THIS IS AND I THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF VOTES THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH AT THE END OF THE DAY ON THIS, IT'S GOING TO PROVE TO BE AN ALL A TOTALITY OF THE CITY BUDGET.

BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T GET AS MANY VOTES AS WE WOULD GET IF THAT WEREN'T TRUE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAS GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE.

I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE SPENT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME BALANCING AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF ISSUES.

AND IF ANYBODY THINKS IT'S EASY TO GET A DOCUMENT THAT'S GOING TO GET AS MANY VOTES AS IT WILL ULTIMATELY GET WITH 26 REPRESENTATIVES OF 26 DISTRICTS WHO ARE VERY A VARIETY OF OPINIONS ON WHAT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED, THEN I RECOMMEND YOU VOLUNTEER TO BE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT'S IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE THEIR WORK.

I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, WORK IN NAVIGATING THIS VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. I KNOW WE ALL HAVE BUSY SCHEDULES, AND THAT'S WHY MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE SOONER THAN LATER.

BUT I OWE IT TO THE POSITION TO SIT HERE AND DISSECT THIS.

AND NOW I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO DO ON MY TO DO LIST.

AND THAT'S PLAYING BACK THE TAPE FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND FIGURING OUT WHEN I SAID THE WORDS REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, PARTIZAN OR SIDE BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL.

BUT MAYBE YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT ANOTHER COLLEAGUE, BUT I CAN'T RECALL THAT BEING SAID BY ANYONE IN THE IN THE QUEUE.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS SHAMIKA JUST TO. SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH.

RIGHT. SORRY. JUST TO BE CLEAR. WELL, LET'S BE CLEAR.

LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE. THEN I'LL QUIT TALKING BECAUSE IT'S MOOT.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CHILD CARE? THE PILOT DEPENDENT CARE PROJECT THAT'S AIMED AT ENHANCING CHILD CARE BENEFITS TO SUPPORT EMPLOYEE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CURRENT ONE WILL BE ELIMINATED.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CHANGE AND WHAT IS THE CURRENT ALLOTMENT FOR THAT ANNUALLY?

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COUNCILMAN WINKLER YEAH, SO I'LL SPEAK TO THE CURRENT ONE AND THEN MAYBE KICK IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR MARTIN ABOUT THE PROPOSAL ON THE NEW ONE.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEW ONE AND OR THE OLD ONE, I'M WRONG, IS THE CURRENT ONE IS INCOME DEPENDENT, AND THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO FALL INTO THE CATEGORY THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

I BELIEVE IT'S LESS THAN A DOZEN PEOPLE. IT'S FIVE.

THANK YOU. AND SO RATHER THAN KEEPING THAT PROGRAM OPEN INTO PERPETUITY, WHEN THERE'S ONLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR IT.

WE WILL KEEP THOSE FIVE PEOPLE IN UNTIL YOU KNOW THEY NO LONGER HAVE DEPENDENTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE.

NO NEW PEOPLE CAN GET ADDED. INSTEAD, THERE IS A NEW DEPENDENT CARE PILOT THAT THAT I THINK DIRECTOR BOOTHE ACTUALLY TESTIFIED TO WHEN SHE CAME.

THAT IS AIMED AT A BROADER SLICE OF DEPENDENT CARE.

AND DIRECTOR MAIDEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR DEPUTY MAYOR MAIDEN, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO I BELIEVE IT'S A MATCH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WAS THE IT'S $2,500, I THINK, AND SO UP TO 2500.

DANA MAIDEN, DEPUTY MAYOR. SO THE PLAN IS AND WE'LL HAVE TO SORT OF PRE ENROLL PEOPLE BECAUSE THIS ACTUALLY WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE DO OPEN ENROLLMENT PRIOR TO JULY 1ST.

THE CONCEPT IS THAT WE THINK MORE PEOPLE WOULD BENEFIT AND PARTICIPATE IF WE ACTUALLY MATCHED WHAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING INTO THEIR SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR CHILD CARE. SO WE HAVE AN FSA CHILD CARE DEPENDENT CARE.

AND SO WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS BASICALLY DO A SURVEY BEFORE OPEN ENROLLMENT AND SAY, IF YOU WERE OFFERED THIS, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PUT IN? AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IT.

AND THEN WE WILL SPREAD THAT MONEY EVENLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A FIRST IN, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU CLICK ON AT MIDNIGHT AND GET SIGNED UP AND YOU GET MORE THAN YOUR COLLEAGUE.

BUT REALLY THAT'S SORT OF CASH IN THE BANK FOR THOSE FOLKS.

AND SO THAT SHOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL AND REACH MORE PEOPLE THAN THIS INCOME DEPENDENT ONE.

THAT REALLY THE ORDINANCE IS PROBABLY EVEN OUTDATED BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT MAKE LESS THAN $11 AN HOUR.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT MAKES THAT LITTLE NOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER THRESHOLDS IN THERE.

AND SO WE JUST NOT HAVE SEEN A BIG UPTICK OR BENEFIT TO PEOPLE USING THAT.

IS THAT A $2,500 ANNUAL. WELL, THE 2500 WOULD BE A CAP IF WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO GO TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAX PEOPLE OUT AT THE FEDERAL MAX THAT YOU CAN PUT IN AN FSA CHILDCARE ACCOUNT ANNUALLY.

YES. AND THEN DOES THIS REMOVE INCOME REQUIREMENT.

SO ANYONE WITHIN. THERE ARE NO INCOME REQUIREMENTS ON THE NEW FSA CHILDCARE ACCOUNT.

OKAY. AND THE OLD PROGRAM HOW MUCH DID THAT ONE COST? PEOPLE ONLY GOT LIKE 100 TO $300 A MONTH. AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I PAID FOR CHILDCARE.

BUT I KNOW THAT EVEN $100 DOES NOT GO VERY FAR TOWARDS CHILDCARE FOR A WEEK OR FOR A WHOLE MONTH, ACTUALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LEININGER.

THANK YOU. CHAIR. I WANT TO RISE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUES.

COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT, AND COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL FOR ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. WE SPENT WEEKS WITH BUDGET HEARINGS TALKING TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, GOING, YOU KNOW, INTO SOME VERY DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT WE HAVE THE SAME SORT OF SCRUTINY THAT WE DO OVER THESE AMENDMENTS AND ASKING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THESE PRIORITIES.

AND I USE THE WORD PRIORITY A LOT WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.

I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. THE BUDGET IS A MORAL AND POLITICAL DOCUMENT.

IT'S A TEST OF OUR PRIORITIES. AND WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT A, WE HOLD OURSELVES TO THE SAME SCRUTINY THAT WE ARE ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO GO WHEN WE GO OUT, WHEN WE ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THIS FOR? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THESE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THESE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS AND THESE AGENCIES? BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT MORAL AND POLITICAL DOCUMENT, THAT WE DO NOT TRY TO REPRESENT, THAT THIS IS A DISPASSIONATE AMALGAMATION COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT REQUESTS THE ONES AND ZEROS, AND THESE BUDGETS ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS.

AND WE ARE MAKING POLICY AND POLITICAL DECISIONS.

AND WE SHOULD BE HONEST ABOUT THOSE POLICY AND POLITICAL DECISIONS.

AND I THINK IT'S FAIR WHEN COLLEAGUES RAISE AS POLITICAL QUESTIONS HERE ON A LEGISLATIVE AND DELIBERATIVE BODY, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE BALANCE OF THOSE DECISIONS, THOSE POLICY DECISIONS, THOSE POLITICAL DECISIONS LIE.

SO I THINK IT IS ENTIRELY FAIR AND GERMANE FOR THE COLLEAGUES TO RAISE THOSE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LEONARD, YOU COVERED SOME OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO REPLY AND SAY,

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BUT I WANT TO LOOK AT THIS. THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC BEFORE.

IT'S THE KENTUCKY COLLEGE OF ARTS AND DESIGN.

$500,000 IS ALLOTTED TO THEM. AND WHEN I SAT HERE ON MAY 22ND AND LISTENED TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE FS, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE 90 PERCENTILE THAT GOT DENIED, MORE THAN 80% OF THEM COULD BE FUNDED WITH THIS HOLD FOR THIS COLLEGE.

KENTUCKY COLLEGE OF ARTS AND DESIGN, WHO HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AND I DON'T WANT TO EVER MAKE THINGS ABOUT RACE.

I'M AN ORGANIZER, AND I AND I LIVE IN REALITY OF WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THEY LOOK.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT PARTIZAN, BUT I RAN AS A DEMOCRAT AND I'M A TRUE DEMOCRAT, AND IF I SEE THESE THINGS HAPPENING, I'M GOING TO CALL IT OUT. THIS IS NEITHER PARTIZAN.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE. THIS IS ABOUT A PROBLEMATIC INSTITUTION THAT HAS COME UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

BUT STILL, THEY'RE IN OUR BUDGET WHEN TOO MANY HAS BEEN CUT OUT.

ECHO THERE'S A PROGRAM LEGAL AID WANTS TO DO THAT GOES INTO THE SHELTERS AND MAKES SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE LEGAL SUPPORT THEY DO.

THERE'S COUNTLESS ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHOWED UP HERE TO US ADVOCATING FOR THEIR WORK.

SOME OF THEM GOT ZERO SCORES SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN THAT PROCESS DID NOT SCORE THEIR APPLICATION.

AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO FUND THEM, BUT WE WANT TO HOLD OUT $500,000 FOR THIS.

I ASK THAT, IS THERE A WAY THAT IF THEY DON'T PUT THE MONEY WHERE THEY PUT THEIR PAPERWORK, IT NEEDS TO BE THAT THAT $500,000 COULD BE ALLOCATED TO THESE PROGRAMING EXPENSES.

FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO GOT DENIED OUT OF THE NEW CHANGEOVER IN THE EAF PROCESS.

ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

WHAT IS THE MOTION? THE MOTION IS THAT THE $500,000 ALLOCATED TO KENTUCKY COLLEGE OF ARTS AND DESIGN BE ALLOCATED TO THOSE EAF APPLICANTS THAT SCORED IN THE 90 PERCENTILE MOTIONS BEFORE.

YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

BEFORE I TAKE ON ANOTHER MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ORDINANCE, THE AMENDMENT BROUGHT FORTH BY COUNCILWOMAN BY BY ME, AS EXPLAINED BY THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT.

WE CAN'T DO THAT. COULD IT BE DONE? YOU CAN ACTUALLY.

WE DON'T. WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS? REMEMBER THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO PUSH FORWARD.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT OUR PROCEDURE IN CHAMBERS IS THAT WE REALLY DO ADOPT JUST ONE AMENDMENT AT A TIME.

AND YOU CAN EASILY CHANGE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO WE'LL TAKE YOUR AMENDMENT. WE'LL TAKE YOUR AMENDMENT NEXT.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE AMENDED VERSION FROM US.

AND NOW, COUNCILMAN PARISH, I BELIEVE YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. YES, SIR. I WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT FOR THE 500,000 THAT'S ALLOCATED TO KENTUCKY COLLEGE OF ARTS AND DESIGN TO BE APPROPRIATED TO THE APPLICANTS IN THE 90 PERCENTILE OF THE EAF PROCESS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THAT RIGHT. IN YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS, YOU SUGGESTED THAT THAT WOULD BE AFTER SOME PROCESS.

ARE YOU CHANGING THAT NOW AND SAYING JUST STRAIGHT UP, THE 500,000 WILL GO TO THESE EAF? I, I AM I'M SURE I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR PROCESS, BUT YES, I WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE IT TO THAT.

SO YOUR AMENDMENT IS TO MOVE THE 500,000? YES.

I HAVE A QUESTION FROM MY FINANCE DIRECTOR. MY CLARIFICATION IS THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PANELS OF EAF.

ARE YOU ASKING IT TO GO TO THE OSS PANEL, THE OVP PANEL OR THE ARTS PANEL? THE OSS IS THAT THAT'S THE CORRECT ONE. AND AND IF THAT 500,000 DOESN'T COVER ALL OF THEM IN THE 90TH PERCENTILE, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH. WHAT THEN? JUST STOP AT WHEREVER THE 500,000 TAKES US? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEY'LL FOLLOW UP WITH US.

WITH INDIA. OKAY. COUNCILMAN. OR IS THAT. ARE YOU SECONDING THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. SO THE MOTION FOR US, COUNCILMAN WEBER.

BASED ON BODY LANGUAGE ALONE. SO I JUST I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF MOVING MORE MONEY TO THE EAF PROCESS AS A WHOLE.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE FUNDING WORTHY ORGANIZATIONS.

I'M REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT THE IDEA OF MAKING FLOOR AMENDMENTS FOR SPECIFIC PIECES OF THIS TO DO THAT.

IF WE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING AROUND YES, IF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THIS ONE DON'T ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY OR DON'T FULFILL THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS,

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THEN THAT MONEY WILL BE PRIORITIZED TOWARDS THE AF.

I WOULD BE SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE I COMPLETELY HEAR AND AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT I JUST I WANT TO SAY I'M NOT PARTICULARLY IN THIS LAST MOMENT.

I THINK THIS OPENS UP A CAN OF WORMS THAT WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO OPEN RIGHT HERE.

FOR THAT PURPOSE, THOUGH, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IN TERMS OF FUNDING THE.

ENTERPRISE COUNCILMAN ARGENTINA. OH, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF I COULD GO TO COUNCILMAN WINKLER FIRST, BUT I'LL COME YOUR WAY FROM YOUR IN THE QUEUE. COUNCILMAN WINKLER.

YEAH. NO, AGAIN, I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE THE MOTION.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST ARTICULATE THE CHALLENGE IN GOING THROUGH ANY ONE OF THESE ITEMS. AGAIN, THERE ARE A THOUSAND THINGS IN HERE THAT I DON'T LIKE AND START HAVING INDIVIDUAL VOTES ON.

INDIVIDUAL ITEMS IN THE BUDGET, I THINK IS VERY PROBLEMATIC AND VERY, VERY RISKY.

I WILL BE A NO VOTE. I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT.

WILL BE A NO VOTE AND WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO AS WELL.

CAN I COUNCILMAN ARGENTINA AND I'LL BE GOING TO I'LL ECHO PRECISELY WHAT WAS SAID HERE, BECAUSE, FRANKLY, EVEN THOUGH I'M CARRYING NO BAG FOR KICAD, I, I WOULD ALLOCATE THE MONEY DIFFERENTLY.

SO. SO NO, I'M GOING TO BE A NO AMENDMENT. I'M GOING TO BE NO ON THIS AMENDMENT.

BUT GLAD TO DELEGATE TO THE CHAIRS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY.

BUT BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO A FLOOR AMENDMENT ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS YES. I WANT TO SAY THIS.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN WIENER WEBER.

I MEAN, I LOVE THE IDEA, BUT I'VE, I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO AS MANY AS MY COLLEAGUES AS POSSIBLE AND DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AS THE CAUCUS CHAIR TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE CULTURE OF BUDGET TO TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY WHEN IT CAME TO GETTING WHAT THEY NEEDED IN THE BUDGET.

I JUST WISH IF THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT MY COLLEAGUE SHAMIKA WRIGHT WOULD HAVE WANTED, I WOULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR THAT BEFORE NOW.

I MEAN, AND STILL WILLING TO IT'S JUST LIKE. YOU KNOW, I'M I'M KIND OF LIKE.

I JUST WISH I WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOT MORE PEOPLE TO SAY, LET'S DO THIS AND LET'S DO THIS.

AND I WOULD HAVE TOOK IT BACK TO MARCUS LIKE I HAVE BEEN I WORKED DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH THIS BUDGET.

SOME THINGS I'M DEFINITELY NOT HAPPY ABOUT. BUT AS LONG AS MY COLLEAGUES ARE HAPPY, MAJORITY OF THEM, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. BUT THIS FLOOR AMENDMENT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ON THE BUDGET.

I'M JUST HERE JUST TO SAY. I JUST WISH YOU ALL IF IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO FIGHT FOR MOVING FORWARD.

I'M A FIGHTER. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, MARCUS AND BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH TONY AND JUST TO TRY TO COME TO A MIDDLE GROUND OR A COMMON GROUND. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

YOU KNOW, SO WHATEVER THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ARE TO YOU.

I HAVE REALLY FOUGHT HARD TO TO TRY TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION FOR EVERYBODY'S COMMUNITY ACROSS THE BOARD.

EVEN IF I HAD TO PULL SOME STUFF OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD JUST WORK TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE AISLE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IS FOR THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN. LINEAR. THANK YOU. CHAIR.

FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE ARE SEEING THIS $500,000.

AND I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE CHANCE TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPROPRIATION.

THAT SAID I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND TO ADD THE LANGUAGE ON.

IF THE THE PAPERWORK OR THE BARRIERS TO THE 500,000 AS A PUT FORWARD IN THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE LOUISVILLE GARDENS ARE NOT MET, THEN THIS MONEY IS MOVED TO THE OVP SECTION OF, I MEAN, SORRY, THE OSS SECTION OF THE EIF FUNDS.

SO TO THE TO THE PROCESS THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH A MOMENT AGO.

IF YOU IF THIS AMENDMENT PASSES AND YOU WANT TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT THAT PASSES, WE CAN DO THAT.

IF YOU ARE ASKING IF THE SPONSOR AMENDMENT WOULD BE WILLING TO CHANGE THE AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THOSE CHANGES, I WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. ALL I KNOW IS ROBERT'S RULES AND FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS DON'T EXIST UNDER ROBERT'S RULES.

THAT IS WHY I WAS MAKING A MOTION ON THIS AMENDMENT.

YES. SO. RIGHT. SO. TO WRITE. IF COUNCILWOMAN PARISH WRITE WOULD BE AMENABLE.

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SINCE YOU MADE THE C, SHE MOTIONS, YOU MADE THE SECOND.

I'M ASSUMING THAT YOUR VALUES ARE ALIGNED. I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS AS CLEAN AND TIGHT AS WE CAN, IF THAT'S AMENABLE TO HER, THEN WE WILL MAKE THE AMENDMENT THAT SHE HAS PROPOSED REFLECT YOUR LANGUAGE.

IF NOT, THEN WE WILL VOTE ON HER AMENDMENT AND WE WILL COME BACK AND VOTE.

I'M HAPPY WITH THAT PROCESS. I'M JUST TRYING TO CHECKING WHERE IN ROBERT'S RULES COUNCILWOMAN, RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I AM AMENABLE TO IT. I WASN'T ACCUSED, BUT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO IT.

BUT YES, I AM AMENABLE TO DOING THAT. MY ISSUE AND WHY I DID THIS RIGHT NOW, THIS WAS NOT A SECRET PLAN OR ANYTHING.

WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST BUDGET CYCLE.

I'M LIKE, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND THESE PROGRAMS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN OSS ARE HELPING TO MITIGATE VIOLENCE.

THEY'RE MEETING THE NEEDS OF OUR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN.

THEY ARE THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE TO DO THIS.

AND A LOT OF THEM HAS BEEN LOCKED OUT OF THE NEW PROCESS, NOT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR PART, BUT BECAUSE AT PARTS OF THAT PROCESS, SOME OF THEM DIDN'T EVEN GET THE SCORES THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET.

AND I, ME QUESTIONING THIS AND DOING THIS RIGHT NOW, ONE, IT'S A PART OF THE RULES AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE FOR OPERATIONS.

I'VE SEEN A LOT OF AMENDMENTS MADE ON THE FLOOR, BUT TWO, IT'S NOT TO DISRESPECT ANY OF BETH OR ANYBODY THAT HAS WORKED ON THIS.

THIS THIS IS NOT WAS NOT MY FOCUS, AS COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS ALLUDED TO, BECAUSE I WAS FIGHTING FOR MY DISTRICT TO GET TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IT'S BEEN ASKING FOR. THIS IS NEW TO ME, TO SEE THEM BACK HERE AGAIN AT THIS AMOUNT.

AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ALARMING. AND BECAUSE WE VOTE ON THIS BUDGET ON THURSDAY.

I JUST WANT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS NOT OKAY.

IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK ALL THE STEPS AND FOLLOW ALL THE PROCESS AND LITERALLY GOT LEFT OUT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T DO THEIR PART OF THE JOB.

SO YES, I'M AMENABLE TO IT. I WANT TO WORK THIS OUT.

THIS IS NOT TO DISRUPT EVERYBODY, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN LEININGER, AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE ON THE AMENDMENT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON? THIS WOULD QUALIFY THE MOVEMENT OF THE 500,000 FROM KICAD TO THE EAF FOR OFFICE OF THE FOR OSS. TO MAKE IT CONTINGENT ON FAILURE OF KICAD TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AS LAID OUT IN THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

OKAY. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

KENDRICK. COUNCILMAN. OWEN. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE AMENDMENT.

I I'M GOING TO BE A NO. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO BE A NO ON THE AMENDMENT. AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THIS.

WHEN THINGS FALL THROUGH MID-YEAR, WE DO A MID-YEAR ALLOCATION, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO THIS, AS OPPOSED TO THE WAY IT'S BEING PRESENTED. AND I'M TELLING YOU, ONCE YOU START PICKING PIECE BY PIECE OF THE BUDGET OUT, IT IS A IT IS A HOUSE OF CARDS BUILT ON 26 OPINIONS, AND THAT HOUSE OF CARDS CAN START BREAKING APART VERY QUICKLY.

SO THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHY I'M GOING TO BE A NO.

AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MID-YEAR ALLOCATION OR OTHER THINGS, OTHER WAYS TO DO IT. BUT THAT'S THE REASON I'M GOING TO BE A NO ON THIS AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

OH. PARISH RIGHT. YOU, COUNCILMAN? PARISH, RIGHT.

YOU'RE BACK IN THE I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU ARE YOU BACK IN? IT'S ON MY SCREEN. YES. OKAY. BACK IN. I WANT TO THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. AND BY MID-YEAR, MOST OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS WILL HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR DOOR.

AND THAT, TO ME, IS PROBLEMATIC. AND NOT THAT THEY FULLY DEPEND ON THE FUNDING FROM US TO OPERATE.

THIS IS A CRUCIAL TIME, AND THESE FOLKS HAVE NOT ASKED FOR MOST OF THEM, MORE THAN $100,000.

THESE ARE TEN, 20, 30, 40, WHATEVER THAT NEW NUMBER IS AND ABOVE.

SO THAT IS MY CONCERN, IS THAT BY THE TIME THE MIDYEAR PROCESS HAPPENS, THE DAMAGE TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED.

SO THANK YOU. I'VE LEARNED THAT I CAN REINTRODUCE IT ON THURSDAY AND IF IT FAILS TODAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND I'LL DO MORE HOMEWORK IN THE MEANTIME. THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NO, NO. OKAY. THE CHAIR THAT FAILS.

SO WE HAVE. CERTAINLY. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING.

COUNCILMAN MARINO, WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO VOTE HER IN.

COUNCILWOMAN. MOVING FORWARD, I DON'T HAVE ANY.

YOU SAID YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE OR YOU

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ONE MORE THING. AND I'VE. I'VE ALREADY VOTED.

I'VE ALREADY VOTED NO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

YES, IT IS, MR. CHAIR. YOU HAVE THREE YES VOTES AND EIGHT NO VOTES.

THANK YOU. THE AMENDMENT FAILS. WE HAVE THE AMENDED AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED BY THE AMENDMENT THAT I'VE MADE A MOTION FOR.

AND WITH THE EXPLANATIONS FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE OF THE BUDGET.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT? SO YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THE ORIGINAL. OKAY.

AND SO THAT PASSED. SO WE'RE WE'RE WE HAVEN'T AMENDED BUDGET OR I'M OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCE.

AT THIS POINT I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE AMENDMENT FOR THE CAPITAL.

WE WILL. OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE VOTED NO. WE VOTED ON THE RIGHT.

OH, NOW WE VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. OKAY.

GOOD. THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE MOVING TOWARDS.

SO NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US.

WE VOTED FOR ALL THE AMENDMENTS. THIS ONE REQUIRES A ROLL CALL VOTE.

MADAM CLERK, IF YOU PLEASE, OPEN THE VOTING.

I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR. YOU HAVE NINE YES VOTES, ONE NO VOTE, AND.

WHOOPS. THAT'S TEN YES VOTES. ONE NO VOTE. THANK YOU.

THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AMENDED.

THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

WE WILL MOVE THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. IT'S A MUCH SHORTER.

[2. O-152-25 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT INCLUDING APPROPRIATIONS AND AUTHORIZATIONS OF FUNDS FOR GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE FACILITIES AND ASSETS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY AND OTHER LOUISVILLE METRO-SUPPORTED ACTIVITIES. 6/16/25 Special Budget Committee Held Action Required By: December 12, 2025 Sponsors: Kevin Kramer (R-11) ]

THERE ARE ONLY NINE PAGES INSTEAD OF THE 16, SO IT'S A MUCH SHORTER, OUR LIST OF ITEMS, WE WILL START AGAIN WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

THERE WERE SOME PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, AND THOSE THINGS HAD TO BE CHANGED.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER CHANGES THAT THE MAYOR HAS SENT ACROSS AND PROPOSED, AND SO WE'LL START WITH THE AMENDMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.

WE NEED THE WE NEED THE MOTION. IT'S PROPERLY MOTION.

SECONDED. MR. JACKSON, WE THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT OR CHANGES FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND HOW READ THROUGH THOSE. WHAT WAS PROJECT SIX? UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP PROJECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, BUT WE DID WANT TO REVISE THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION TO SAY FUNDING WILL SUPPORT LOCAL LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP'S EFFORTS TO IMPROVE DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING ON SECOND STREET AND WASHINGTON STREET ALONG FOURTH STREET AND ENHANCE BID OPERATIONS RELATED TO MAINTENANCE OF DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE.

UNDER THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WAS PROJECT NUMBER 17? THE FEDERAL AMOUNT INCREASED FROM 2 MILLION, OR 2,829,200 TO 3,015,300.

SO IT'S AN INCREASE OF $186,100. AND ALONG THE SAME PROJECT, WHAT WAS PROJECT 17? THE HOME MATCH REQUIREMENT ALSO INCREASED BECAUSE THE FEDERAL PORTION INCREASE.

SO THAT CHANGE WAS FROM 725,000 TO 778,900. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE.

AN INCREASE OF 53,900. AND THEN THERE WERE SEVERAL FEDERAL PROJECTS WHERE THE FEDERAL WE'RE REMOVING THE FEDERAL PORTION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED, AND THESE WERE PROJECTS THAT WERE BUDGETED IN THE FY 25 BUDGET, BUT WE WANTED THE GENERAL FUND MATCH ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS.

AND WHAT WAS PROJECT 46? THAT WAS A NORTHEAST LOUISVILLE LOOP IN MET SECTION THREE.

THAT WOULD BE A DECREASE OF FEDERAL ON THE FEDERAL PORTION, A DECREASE OF 1,081,000.

WHAT WAS PROJECT 48? STONY BROOK DRIVE SIDEWALK.