Jun 02, 2025 Budget Hearings FY 2025-2026

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THERE WAS A DECISION MADE AT THAT POINT TO PULL THEM IN-HOUSE, BUT THEY FOUND THAT HAVING THAT SMALL OF A TEAM INSIDE HAS CAUSED THEM ISSUES. WHEN SOMEBODY DEPARTS FROM THE ORGANIZATION IN TERMS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, HAVING ANY BENCH DEPTH TO DEAL WITH ISSUES AS THEY COME UP. SO OUR INTENTION IS FOR THISMS AND DESKTOP TYPE SUPPORT ROLES.

AND THEN THE TAX SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION ITSELF WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN INSIDE OF THE REVENUE COMMISSION. AND THAT ALSO WE DO HAVE ONE ROLE COMING OVER THAT WILL DEAL WITH THE COMPLIANCE PIECE. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT METRO'S CYBERSECURITY TEAM ALREADY DEALS WITH FOR BOTH CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND HEALTH DATA. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER KIND OF DISCIPLINE THAT

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ANGELA DUNN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. THE COLLECTION FEES REMAIN. THE AGREEMENTS REMAIN INTACT WITH THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT WE COLLECT THOSE FEES FROM. SO THOSE FEES ARE USED TO SUPPORT THE OPERATION OF THE REVENUE COMMISSION. IT'S AN ACCOUNTING FUNCTION. BUT ESSENTIALLY THOSE FEES, THEY ARE ALSO SORT OF ROLLED INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO EVEN THOUGH THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE BEING TRANSFERRED TO MTS AND THAT BUDGET IS BEING TRANSFERRED WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES FROM THE REVENUE COMMISSION, THAT BUDGET IS STILL SUPPORTED IN THE GENERAL FUND BY THOSE FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED. SO A PORTION OF THOSE FEES WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE EMPLOYEES EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE AT MTS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I'M HERE. COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR FOCUSED ON IN HIS BUDGET ADDRESS WAS THE INVESTMENT IN AI. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE AND HOW WE EXPECT TO SEE THEM PAY OFF, EITHER IN THE FORM, IN THE FORM OF COST SAVINGS OR IMPROVED SERVICE TO CONSTITUENTS? ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES THAT AI REPRESENTS FOR LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT. THESE INVESTMENTS, WE THINK, WILL HAVE SOME ROI, BUT ALSO A LOT OF SERVICE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE WOULD SEE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. I BELIEVE DIRECTOR PRICE FROM CODES AND REGULATIONS, TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO FUND FROM THIS, WHICH IS A PROGRAM TO DETECT BLIGHT USING AI CAMERA VISION INSTALLED IN VEHICLES THAT WILL BE DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THAT WILL HELP THEM IMMENSELY FROM JUST DETECTING ISSUES AND BEING ABLE TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THAT. IN A SIMILAR VEIN, WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE PUBLIC WORKS, DOING THINGS LIKE POTHOLE DETECTION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ENABLING ANALYTICS ON THE CAMERAS THAT THEY HAVE OUT TODAY FOR METRO WATCH. YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM. WE'RE HOPING TO ADD SIMILAR CAPABILITIES TO THE CAMERAS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED BY METRO OVER THE LAST 18 OR SO YEARS, SO THAT THEY CAN ALSO DO CERTAIN TYPES OF DETECTION CROWDS GATHERING SMOKE IN THE AREA. IF PEOPLE ARE DOING TIRE BURNOUTS, LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS THERE. AND THEN FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, ALSO LOOKING AT OUR OPEN RECORDS DEPARTMENT AND FIGURING OUT WAYS TO BETTER APPLY REDACTIONS IN AN AUTOMATED FASHION, BOTH TO VIDEO AND TO DOCUMENTS THAT MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO THAT. I BELIEVE MARY ANN TOLD ME THERE WERE 16,000 REQUESTS FOR OPEN RECORDS LAST YEAR. THAT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM ONE SINGLE EMAIL TO 100 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT NEEDS REDACTION OR A FIVE HOUR VIDEO. SO WE REALLY EXPECT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COME TO FRUITION. THERE ARE OTHER GAINS THAT WE THINK CAN BE HAD GIVING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE COPILOT AND CHATGPT TYPE FUNCTIONALITY TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT AT THEIR JOB. FULL ADMISSION I USE CHATGPT EXTENSIVELY TO PREPARE FOR POSSIBLE QUESTIONS TODAY. IT TOOK ALL OF THE MEETING TRANSCRIPTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD FOR YOUR BUDGET HEARINGS THIS YEAR AND WAS ABLE TO CONDENSE DOWN FOR ME KIND OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY THOUGHT YOU GUYS MIGHT FOCUS ON FOR THIS HEARING. AND IT DID IT IN ABOUT 30S. SO WHEREAS WATCHING 14 HOURS OF BUDGET HEARINGS TO PREPARE FOR THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE METHOD, THIS WAS ANOTHER WAY TO APPROACH IT. COULD WE GET A REPORT CARD AFTER THE MEETING ON HOW MANY OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK THAT ABSOLUTELY PREDICTED? SO. HOW'S IT DOING EXACTLY. SO THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS SO THAT WE HAVE A REALISTIC EXPECTATION OF WHEN WE SHOULD SEE THE BENEFITS OF THESE INVESTMENTS. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S THE ROLLOUT SCHEDULE AND LIKE IS IT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY JULY 1ST AND YOU KNOW, AUGUST 1ST. OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS ARE GOING TO FLOW LIKE MAGIC OR WHAT KIND OF SET THE EXPECTATION. SO WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO DEVELOP AN RFP IN CONJUNCTION WITH PURCHASING CURRENTLY THAT WILL PUT OUT A MULTI-YEAR SOLUTION AI TYPE RFP, LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE DEFINED AS A CITY GOVERNMENT, AND ALIGNING IT WITH OUR POLICIES THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED.

IN ADDITION, WE'VE GOT OUR AI SUMMER SCHOLARS HERE WITH US TODAY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA MOREHEAD-CAIN PROGRAM, AND THEY ARE WORKING TO MEET WITH THE AGENCIES TO BETTER DO THE BUSINESS ANALYSIS AND TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE BEST USE CASES ARE GOING TO BE FOR US. SO MY INTENTION, IF THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED IS TO MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY IN JULY. WE OBVIOUSLY WON'T BE READY ON JULY 1ST BECAUSE WE NEED TO RELEASE THAT RFP AND MAKE AWARDS. I WOULD

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REALLY. THE QUESTION IS A LEAD INTO THE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS THINKING ABOUT OUR ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE EXPENSES ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE, RIGHT FROM WORKDAY TO THE SOFTWARE WE BUY WITH LMPD AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT. HAVE YOU DONE ANALYSIS OF SORT OF WHERE WE STAND AGAINST PEER CITIES AND ARE WE OVERINVESTED UNDERINVESTED SORT OF JUST. RIGHT. SURE. SO FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, WE DO BENCHMARK AGAINST OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. AND GIVEN THAT ALL OF US HAVE USUALLY AN OPEN DATA PORTAL, IT MAKES IT FAIRLY EASY TO SEE. I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE GENERALLY ALIGNED IN TERMS OF SOFTWARE INVESTMENT. THAT SAID, I THINK SOME CITIES INTENTIONALLY WILL INVEST A HIGHER AMOUNT IN THEIR MICROSOFT PRODUCTS. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TIERS OF LICENSING. WE DON'T CHOOSE TO INVEST THAT LEVEL HERE WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION. THAT COULD HAVE SOME FINANCIAL IMPACT. IF WE WERE TO DECIDE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.

BUT OUR TEAM FEELS THAT WE'VE MADE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE INVESTMENTS IN OTHER SOLUTIONS FOR BOTH ENDPOINT PROTECTION AND OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE BUNDLED IN A MICROSOFT TYPE INVESTMENT IF WE WENT WITH THEIR HIGHER TIER LICENSING. AND THAT LARGELY IS DRIVEN BASED OFF OF OUR SUPPORT EXPERIENCES WITH SPECIFIC VENDORS AND GETTING A BETTER SUPPORT MODEL FOR THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE ACQUIRING. THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT.

WE'VE BEEN JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS RUBY AND CHAPPELL, AND WE'VE BEEN JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILMAN PARKER, COUNCILMAN LINENGER THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND I'M DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT REPORT FROM CHATGPT PERSONALLY. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AI PROPOSALS. THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AI IMAGE ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, TRAINED MODELS AND LLM. AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS RELIABILITY. WE KNOW THAT AI IMAGE TRAINING RESULTS IN BETTER DETECTION THAN PEOPLE FOR A LOT OF MEDICAL IMAGING, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT LLM RESULTS IN A LOT OF HALLUCINATION. WHAT KIND OF HUMAN STAFFING ARE WE GOING TO BE PUTTING FORWARD FOR SUPERVISION OF THE AI? HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE INVESTING IN HUMAN STAFFING FOR THAT? SURE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE ARE PLANNING TO FUND FOR POSITIONS INITIALLY TO DEAL WITH THE ROLLOUT OF AI, SPECIFICALLY TO ASSIST OUR TEAM WITH KIND OF THE SUPERVISION OF THESE TOOLS AS WE DEPLOY THEM, AND ALSO MEETING WITH THE AGENCIES. OUR POLICY THAT WE HAVE TODAY CURRENTLY CALLS FOR AGENCIES TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN USE CASE POLICY FOR WHEN THEY WANT TO ROLL OUT AN AI SOLUTION THAT WILL DEFINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MONITOR THE ACCURACY AND OUTPUTS OF THOSE, BECAUSE THERE IS STILL A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THESE LANGUAGE MODELS CAN HALLUCINATE, THEY CAN PUT OUT FALSE INFORMATION, AND WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY INTRODUCE THAT AS AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC ON DAY ONE, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INACCURATE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO A USE CASE THAT FIRST CAME OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT I THINK HAD A CHATBOT ON ITS WEBSITE AND ESSENTIALLY AGREED TO SELL A CAR FOR A DOLLAR. WE DON'T WANT THE CITY TO GET INTO THAT TYPE OF A SITUATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOOLS THAT MONITOR THAT. WE'VE ALREADY MADE INVESTMENTS IN OUR SECURITY TOOLS THIS YEAR THAT ALLOW US TO MONITOR THOSE INPUTS AND OUTPUTS FROM THE LANGUAGE MODEL AND LOOK FOR SPECIFIC THINGS THAT MIGHT BE EITHER INACCURATE OR CONTAIN SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T WANT RELEASED. MY SECOND QUESTION IS MORE SPECIFICALLY ON THE OPEN RECORDS REDACTIONS AND REVIEW FROM AI, WHO WILL ULTIMATELY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MISTAKES MADE BY THE AI IN TERMS OF OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS. SO OUR PUSH WITH AI IS STILL HUMAN IN THE LOOP. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE FOUNDATIONAL TO ANY AGENCY ROLLING THIS OUT OPEN RECORDS IS NO EXCEPTION. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OUTPUT FROM THAT, THERE'S STILL GOING TO NEED TO BE A HUMAN REVIEW OF THOSE REDACTIONS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE OR ACCURATE. SO THERE WILL BE HUMAN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OUTPUTS ON THAT WITHIN THE AGENCY THAT

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WHEN THEY CALL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DIRECTS THEM TO GET ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE DEFINED FOR IT. I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAVING THAT AVAILABLE AS A FULL BLOWN PLATFORM THIS YEAR WOULD NECESSARILY BE ON THE ROADMAP. THANK YOU. CHAIR. JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH WRIGHT AND COUNCILMAN OWEN. COUNCILWOMAN MARIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M LOOKING ON THE PRINTOUT HERE AND IT'S SHOWING PASSWORD FREE LOGIN. AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATION IN THEIR BUDGET ABOUT BUYING NEW, NEW LAPTOPS.

WE KNOW EVERYBODY HAS A LAPTOP. SO FIRST OF ALL, HOW'S THIS PASSWORD FREE LOGIN GOING TO WORK? SURE. SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT USERS ARE NEEDING TO CHANGE THEIR PASSWORD. PAST PRACTICE HAS BEEN THAT WE'VE DONE THAT ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS EVERY FEW MONTHS. WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN IS NEW GUIDANCE FROM NIST AND OTHERS THAT INDICATES THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE SAFEST WAY TO GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT CAN BE STOLEN.

AND SO PASSWORDLESS WOULD ESSENTIALLY GIVE US THE OPTION TO GO EITHER APP DRIVEN ON A PHONE, WHERE YOU CAN AUTHENTICATE VIA SECOND FACTOR THAT'S IN YOUR POSSESSION. SO IF YOU HAVE AN APP HERE OR POTENTIALLY USING A TOKEN, A PHYSICAL TOKEN THAT WOULD PLUG INTO THE USB PORT OF THE DEVICE, AND THEN YOU WOULD BASICALLY TOUCH THAT WITH YOUR FINGER TO ALLOW FOR THE LOGIN. SO THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE USER TO TYPE THEIR PASSWORD INTO THE COMPUTER IN ORDER TO GAIN ACCESS. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A NEW NEW COMPUTER THEN.

NO NO NO NO NEED FOR NEW COMPUTER OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE TIMELINE RIGHT NOW FOR REPLACING LAPTOPS THEN. BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY AGE OUT LONG BEFORE WE THINK THEY DO OR UNTIL THEY START GLITCHING ON US. YEAH. SO OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS A FOUR YEAR REPLACEMENT CYCLE. THE REASON THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR REQUEST FOR FUNDING THIS YEAR IS THAT WE DEPLOYED 2400 LAPTOPS IN THE COVID PERIOD RIGHT AFTER COVID HIT, AND WE HAD TO GET PEOPLE TO TELEWORK STATE WE NORMALLY REPLACE ABOUT A THOUSAND DEVICES A YEAR WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED, AND WE NEED TO CATCH UP. SO WE'VE FALLEN A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, AND WE NEED TO GET THOSE CAUGHT BACK UP SO THAT THEY CAN THEN BE ON A NORMAL ROTATION.

WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS THAT THEY'LL SEE A LARGER SPIKE UP THIS YEAR, AND THEN IT WILL REDUCE, NOT BACK TO THE LAST YEAR FUNDING, BUT A SMALLER AMOUNT MOVING FORWARD FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR SO THAT WE CAN JUST KEEP THEM ON THAT FOUR YEAR CYCLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST AS AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP TO THAT, WHEN A LAPTOP CYCLES OUT OF USE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THOSE? I'M GUESSING I'M JUST ANYWAY, IF WE ARE SELLING THEM, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT.

WHAT HOW MUCH REVENUE DO WE EXPECT FROM THAT? AND THAT BEGS THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE SELLING THEM OR NOT. BUT SURE, WE HAVE TWO WAYS TO DEAL WITH THESE. ONE IS WE CAN TRANSFER THEM TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT IN SOME CASES WITH LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY AND SOME OTHER ENTITIES. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE DO HAVE A CYBER

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COUNCILMAN RUIZ, THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING I, I KNOW YOU'VE TESTED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT AI PROGRAMS OUT THERE. HAVE YOU FOUND WHAT DIFFERENCES YOU FOUND BETWEEN THEM? DO YOU FIND ONE THAT YOU PREFER FOR ANY GIVEN THING? WHAT'S YOUR EVALUATION FINDING? SURE. SO WE'VE HAD COPILOT IN THE ENVIRONMENT SINCE LAST FALL AND SMALL SCALE AGAIN, COUPLE DOZEN USERS. CHATGPT ENTERPRISE WE STARTED TESTING WITH IN DECEMBER. SO A LITTLE BIT LATER START FOR THAT. I'LL TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE USE CASE FOR THE USER AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. COPILOT IS BUILT INTO THE MICROSOFT ENVIRONMENT, SO IT NATIVELY HAS SOME CAPABILITIES THAT USERS WILL FIND VERY USEFUL IN TERMS OF SUMMARIZING EMAILS IN THEIR INBOX, HELPING THEM TO KIND OF PLAN THEIR DAY, WORKING WITHIN A POWERPOINT TO HELP YOU DEVELOP CONTENT WITHIN THAT POWERPOINT, OR MAYBE REFORMAT IT TO A DIFFERENT TYPE. THAT SAID, CHATGPT FROM OUR TESTING INITIALLY HAS PERFORMED BETTER IN TERMS OF DOING ANALYSIS AND PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS AND UNDERSTANDING THE DATA THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT. A LITTLE BIT BETTER DEPTH THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN OUT OF THE COPILOT SOLUTION. IN FACT, WE'VE SEEN SOME USERS THAT STARTED ON COPILOT THAT HAVE REQUESTED TO SWITCH OVER TO CHATGPT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAW THE SAME THING THAT WE WERE SEEING WITHIN OUR OWN TESTING. OKAY. I BELIEVE YOU ALSO MENTIONED THERE WAS AN AMAZON ONE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONES OUT THERE THAT YOU HAVE NOT TRIED? WE'VE ALSO WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING AT ENTERPRISE LEVEL YET WITH GOOGLE'S GEMINI OR NOTEBOOK LM WE HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE, I THINK, TEST AROUND WITH IT JUST ON THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNTS. THAT ONE'S FAIRLY INTERESTING. AMAZON BEDROCK IS ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO DEPLOY POTENTIAL CHAT BOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BOTH INTERNAL TO USERS AS WELL AS EXTERNAL.

THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS YOU CAN KIND OF LIMIT THE DATA THAT IT'S USING TO THE DATA THAT YOU PROVIDE TO IT. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY HALLUCINATE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IT LEARNED FROM THE LANGUAGE MODEL. IT WORKS A LITTLE BROADER WITHIN CHATGPT. SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL OVER THOSE TYPES OF MODELS VERSUS THE COPILOT CHATGPT TYPE TOOLS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK ONE REAL QUICK ONE THEN COUNCILMAN WINKLER IS THE 3.75 MILLION SUFFICIENT TO COMPLETE THE ENTIRE DATA CENTER, POWER AND

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SO I THINK THIS INVESTMENT IS NEEDED. AS FAR AS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT'S PROPOSED, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT NUMBER IS SUFFICIENT TO FIX THE DEFICIENCIES, REPLACE THE AIR HANDLERS THAT ARE AGED, DO SOME ELECTRICAL UPGRADES AND IMPROVEMENTS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH. BASICALLY, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS A GROUND FAULT OCCURRED AT THAT AIR CONDITIONER WHEN THE COMPRESSOR FAILED AND IT WENT TO THE BUILDING MAIN. AND WE WANT TO PUT SOME REDUNDANCY IN IT AT A BREAKER, NOT AT THAT LEVEL WHERE THE BUILDING MAIN IS IMPACTED. SO THAT THAT WILL REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF REDESIGN. IN TERMS OF THAT, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD FACILITIES IN WITH OUR ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS AND, AND THEY HAVE PUT A GAME PLAN TOGETHER FOR THAT. SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED DOING SOME OF THE LIGHTER REPAIRS THAT WE COULD HANDLE WITHIN OUR CURRENT BUDGET NOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME LARGER THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO ONCE THE BUDGET IS APPROVED. AND AGAIN, SO WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE WORK BEING FINISHED AND WHEN MIGHT WE HAVE A MORE ACCURATE? IT'S NOT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE, BUT A MORE CONCISE PICTURE OF THE COST. SO WE'VE WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE VENDORS TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE GAME PLAN FOR THIS. I'D EXPECT THIS IS PROBABLY AN 18 MONTH TYPE PROJECT, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET EQUIPMENT OR THE TIME THAT'S REQUIRED. IT'S THE COORDINATION OF NEEDING TO MOVE WORKLOADS IN AND OUT OF THE DATA CENTER SO THAT WE'RE NOT DISRUPTIVE TO THE CITY'S OPERATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT IN BETWEEN BUSY PERIODS. YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE DON'T DO A LOT OF CHANGES DURING THE MUSIC FESTIVALS IN THE FALL OR DURING THE SPRING WITH DERBY SEASON. SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF WORK AROUND THOSE BUSY SEASONS FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DISRUPTING DOING A LOT OF AFTER HOURS REPAIRS. I WOULD SAY 18 MONTHS IS PROBABLY A SAFE BET IN TERMS OF THE COMPLETION. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WINKLER, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON OUR SPENDING ON CYBERSECURITY. DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT THAT WE MAKE CURRENTLY, GIVEN THE THREATS THAT WE AND MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FACE? AND IF NOT, WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL? WELL, FIRST, I WANT TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE FOR THE INVESTMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN THE DIRECTOR. THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES THAT DON'T GET THAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT AND INVESTMENT, AND I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A LOT OF THOSE CITIES IN THE NEWS IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS THAT THEY'VE HAD. WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ASK FOR MORE BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY'S BUDGET REQUIRES IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SPREAD AROUND AND COVER A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WELL POSITIONED AS A CITY GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF OUR OUR POSITION. WE COULD ALWAYS DO MORE. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE MANAGED TO GROW OUR TEAM SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS IN TERMS OF OUR SECURITY OPERATIONS. WE HAVE OUR OWN 24 HOUR SECURITY OPERATIONS CENTER. NOT MANY CITIES CAN CLAIM THAT.

SO I FEEL LIKE THE INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN GOOD. I THINK THEY'RE THEY NEED TO CONTINUE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IS ABOUT WHAT WE COULD HANDLE FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT AS AN AGENCY TO ROLL OUT THOSE TOOLS. GREAT. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. HI. I'M EAGER TO GET DONE WITH THIS BECAUSE I HEAR THAT THERE'S A NEW EPISODE OF INSIDE MAN, AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE HOW THE SAGA UNFOLDS. GLAD MY METRO PEOPLE GET THAT JOKE. SO I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN EFFORT TO MAKE THE LOUISVILLE, KY GOV WEBSITE ADA COMPLIANT BY MARCH 2026. ARE WE ON TRACK FOR THAT? SO WE'VE COMPLETED FIRST ROUND ASSESSMENT OF THAT USING SOME TOOLS THAT WE WENT AHEAD WITH THIS YEAR TO DETERMINE THE VOLUME OF THE FIX. A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS PDF DOCUMENTS THAT ARE LOADED TO THE WEBSITE THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT. THAT'S A BULK OF THE WORK THAT LIES AHEAD OF US IS GETTING THOSE TO BE EITHER ARCHIVED OR CORRECTED. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF OLD CONTENT ON THE WEBSITE. WHAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW IS OUR GOOGLE ANALYTICS TO DETERMINE THOSE LOCATIONS THAT ARE MOST FREQUENTLY VISITED, THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE MOST FREQUENTLY ACCESSED. WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE KIND OF USING THAT METHOD GOING FORWARD, SO WE CAN FIND THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET THOSE REMEDIATED. I EXPECT THAT WE'LL MAKE OUR TIMELINE. WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF STRAGGLERS, BUT IT'LL LIKELY BE AT THAT POINT, VERY LOW PRIORITY DOCUMENTS THAT AREN'T FREQUENTLY ACCESSED ACCORDING TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGH OUR WEBSITE VISITS. THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF THIS THAT WE ARE DEPENDENT ON THIRD

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AND SO CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO IS THERE SOMEONE WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO IT THAT'S KIND OF OVERSEEING ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTAL SOFTWARES, NOT ONLY HOW THEY INTEGRATE WITH OUR SYSTEM, BUT ALSO ARE THERE REDUNDANCIES? ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE? ARE THERE APPLICATIONS THAT CAN BE SHARED UNDER THE SAME LICENSE? ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE OUR TECHNOLOGY RELATIONSHIP MANAGEMENT TEAM AND THEY DO A GOOD JOB. I THINK, OF MEETING WITH THE AGENCIES WHEN THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ACQUIRE NEW SOFTWARE. ALL SOFTWARE THAT COMES INTO THE ENVIRONMENT IS REVIEWED BY MTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPLIANT WITH OUR CYBERSECURITY STANDARDS. BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DETERMINE IF THOSE DUPLICATIONS AND SERVICES EXIST. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, WE HAVE SMARTSHEET THAT WE ARE LICENSED FOR AS AN ENTERPRISE. SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WILL COME TO US WITH A REQUEST FOR A THIRD PARTY PROJECT MANAGEMENT TOOL. WE OFTENTIMES WILL DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO GUIDE THEM TOWARDS USING THAT SMARTSHEET TOOL, INCLUDING US, HELPING THEM TO CONFIGURE AND DEPLOY IT FOR THEIR AGENCY. NOT SAYING WE'RE PERFECT AT IT, BUT I DO THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB OF ANALYZING THE SOFTWARE THAT'S IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND ITS UTILIZATION, AND DETERMINING IF SOMEBODY IS NOT USING IT. CAN WE TRANSFER THAT LICENSE TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT, DIFFERENT USER? SO I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE GOOD CONTROLS IN PLACE AROUND THAT. BUT THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE TO SAY, WOW, THIS CONTRACT'S GONE UP A LOT AND WE NEED TO GO TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE OR LOOK FOR AN ALTERNATIVE. THAT CONVERSATION IS ALSO HAPPENING. SO WE DO REVIEW KIND OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACTS THAT THEY BRING FORWARD. IF IT'S A LARGER TYPE TOOL THAT THEY'RE ROLLING OUT, A LOT OF TIMES THE THING THAT WE PROBABLY STRUGGLE WITH THE MOST IS THE STUFF THAT YOU CAN BUY IN A P-CARD THAT IS NOT 95 A MONTH OR 29, 95 A MONTH SUBSCRIPTIONS, THOSE ARE LESS ABLE TO BE CONTROLLED IN OUR ENVIRONMENT JUST BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T CROSS THE PURCHASING DESK NECESSARILY AS A NEW ACQUISITION OR A CONTRACT, IT DOESN'T GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR AWARD FOR A SOLE SOURCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY BELOW THAT THRESHOLD. SO IF WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE IN THAT LOW DOLLAR KIND OF RANGE. BUT OUR TEAMS DO REVIEW WITH THE AGENCIES WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE AN ACQUISITION. WE ALSO SUBSCRIBE TO A SERVICE THAT DOES REVIEWS OF CONTRACTS TO DETERMINE IF WE'RE GETTING THE BEST PRICING FROM WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ON THE MARKET. SO WE DO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY AS WELL WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION. AND THERE'S THREE MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM THAT CAN SUBMIT THOSE TO THAT REVIEW. AND THEN USUALLY WITHIN ABOUT 2 OR 3 DAYS WE CAN GET A RESPONSE BACK IF WE'RE GETTING A GOOD PRICE OR IF WE NEED TO TRY TO RENEGOTIATE FURTHER DISCOUNTS. AND THAT INCLUDES LMPD SOFTWARE. IT DOES. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PARRISH.

RIGHT. THANK. BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD THREE AND ONE. COUNCILMAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE BREAKING UP A BIT AND YOUR CAMERA IS NOT ON THE RULES. THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS IS ESTABLISHED IS STIPULATES THE CAMERA HAS TO BE ON. SORRY. NO WORRIES. IT'S USUALLY ON. MY BATTERY'S GOING DOWN, SO I'M TRYING TO PLUG IT UP. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE CAN. I SUSPECT THE BATTERY IS THE SOURCE OF THE

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I THINK THAT THERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOBS TO KIND OF BE REIMAGINED, IF YOU WILL, AS THIS TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE MANUAL EFFORT. I, I GAVE YOU ALL THE EXAMPLE EARLIER ABOUT HOW I USE CHATGPT TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING TODAY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY IS I COULD HAVE SPENT 14 HOURS OF MY TIME REVIEWING ALL THE BUDGET, HEARING RECORDINGS THAT EXISTED FOR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE CONDUCTED TO DATE. INSTEAD, I SPENT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES WITH CHATGPT, FEEDING IT THE TRANSCRIPTS FROM THOSE MEETINGS, AND THEN INTERACTED WITH IT FOR ABOUT ANOTHER 15 MINUTES, ASKING QUESTIONS AND HAVING IT ASK ME QUESTIONS THAT I MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE. SO I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME EFFICIENCIES GAINED IN TERMS OF PRODUCTIVITY OF YOUR EXISTING WORKFORCE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO DOWN THE PATH OF ROLLING THESE TOOLS OUT, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO FOCUS THEIR EFFORTS IN OTHER AREAS THAT MAYBE AREN'T BEING PAID ATTENTION TO AS MUCH TODAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE THAT WE'RE NOT APPROACHING THIS AS A WORKFORCE REDUCTION TOOL. WAS IT WAS THAT A COUNCILWOMAN? OKAY, THIS IS KIND OF A FOLLOW

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SO WE'VE DECIDED TO BRING THAT CAPABILITY IN-HOUSE. WE'VE IN ADDITION, FILLED A POSITION CALLED A RED TEAM MEMBER, AND THEIR JOB IS TO BASICALLY GO AROUND AND TRY TO POKE HOLES IN OUR DEFENSES USING WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY SOCIAL ENGINEERING, USING SCRIPTS, TRYING TO GET PAST ANY KIND OF BARRIERS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN GET BETTER IN THOSE AREAS IN A CONTROLLED FASHION. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THOSE INVESTMENTS. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR FUNDING IN THE CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH WE THINK WILL BE AWARDED IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, RELATED TO CYBERSECURITY, ANOTHER ROUND OF FUNDING, WHICH WOULD ENABLE US TO ROLL OUT THE PASSWORD. IT WOULD BE A ASSISTIVE TOOL TO THE PASSWORDLESS TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'D APPLIED FOR. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. WE HAD ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE WORK THAT WAS PERFORMED IN FY 25 AND WHAT WAS WAS EXPECTED FY 26. THERE'S $400,000 IN NETWORK NAME RESOLUTION PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS ARE ESTIMATING. IS THAT A IS A PORTION OF THAT TO DEAL WITH THE $3 MILLION VOICE OVER INTERNET PROTOCOLS THATRE SHIFTING? OR HOW DO I GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT? WHICH PROJECT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT MAINTENANCE WORK PERFORMED IN FY 25. DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS FUNDED IN FY 26. YEAH, I GOTCHA OKAY. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR 26. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY OUR INTERNAL FUNCTION THAT ALLOWS FOR NAME RESOLUTION ON OUR NETWORK. OKAY. WE FOUND THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS NOT AS RESILIENT AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD THOSE CAPABILITIES. AND DID I CONFUSE IT INTO VOIP OR IS THAT VOIP IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUES? OKAY, OKAY. IT IS DEPENDENT. EVERYTHING'S DEPENDENT WITHIN OUR NETWORK ON NAME RESOLUTION.

I JUST MADE SURE I WASN'T OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT A COUPLE CAPITAL EXPENSES, CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. AND I'M CURIOUS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. THE METRO TV UPGRADE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN THE SAME IN FY 24 AND FY 25. THE REMAINING BUDGET IS 16,953,000. HAVE WE FINISHED ALL THE WORK IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR METRO TV AND IF SO, ARE YOU PLANNING ON USING THAT MONEY FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE WITHIN METRO TV? SEE, WHAT DID I SAY? OH, 16 MILLION WOULD BE GREAT FOR COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? HOW DID YOU GET US TO PASS THAT? OKAY. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION.

THERE SEEMS TO BE 16,000 SITTING THERE STILL. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THOSE UPGRADES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY FUTURE PLANNED INVESTMENT, BUT METRO TV HAS SINCE SEPARATED OUT OF MTS, SO I NEED TO GET WITH THEM TO DETERMINE IF THAT WAS. I DON'T

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THERE'S $1 MILLION IN THIS TIME. IT IS A MILLION. THAT WAS FOR COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT. THIS COMES TO US FROM 24. IT WASN'T. NONE OF IT WAS USED IN 25. AND IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS BEING USED IN THE 26 BUDGET. IT'S $1 MILLION. CONFERRING WITH AARON ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I HAD A QUESTION ON IT MYSELF. WE'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU WITH A RESPONSE ON THAT ONE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THIS IS MY FAVORITES. THERE'S $510 SITTING IN THE ACCOUNT. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE'S A LET'S SEE. THERE WAS ONE MORE I'M LOOKING AT. IT'S THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH. AGAIN IT'S A MILLION. THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS 11 MILLION. YOU SPENT 9 MILLION SOME. AND THERE'S 1,000,713 $352.98. THAT'S NOT A MISTAKE ON MY PART. THAT'S. AND I KNOW THAT THOSE SINCE THIS REPORT WAS RUN ON MARCH 31ST, THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL FUNDS SPENT DOWN ON THAT. I EXPECT THAT THAT PROJECT WILL LARGELY BE EXPENDED BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. AND YOU WILL USE ALL OF IT FOR THAT PROJECT. WE WILL USE ALL OF IT. OKAY, GREAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMAN WINKLER? SO ONE FINAL QUESTION.

WHAT WAS THE SCORE OF THE CHATGPT PREDICTION? IT WAS PRETTY ACCURATE. I'D SAY IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 6,570%. IT'S NOT BAD. SO OKAY. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. NOT BAD FOR JUST SOME COMPUTER SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I'M USUALLY PRETTY HAPPY GETTING 70% RIGHT, SO THAT GENERALLY DOESN'T. YEAH. IN THE WORLD WHERE I LIVE, 70% IS JUST BARELY PASSING. 65 IS FAILING. SO MY STUDENTS APPRECIATE THAT. I EXPECT AT LEAST A 70. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. WE ARE FINISHED JUST A FEW MINUTES EARLY. I EXPECT THAT OUR FOLKS FROM COMMUNITY HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ARE PROBABLY HERE. IF NOT, THEY WILL BE HERE SOON. SO WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE, TEN MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL START BACK. THANK YOU.

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[ ID 25-0250     Office of Housing and Community Development]

WHAT WILL THIS GRANT DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW? AND I DON'T WANT TO. I'M NOT ASKING A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF CERTAINTY, BUT ARE WE REALLY PRETTY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS STILL OR ARE THINGS CHANGING? THANK YOU. YES. LAURA GRABOWSKI, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO WE WERE SUCCESSFUL. LET'S SEE LAST YEAR IN APPLYING FOR AND RECEIVING A GRANT FROM HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. TO YOUR POINT, IT, THEY CALL IT PRO HOUSING. AND THE IDEA OF THE GRANT WAS THAT HUD AND EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WE NEED MORE OF IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO HUD WAS LOOKING FOR CITIES THAT WANTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REMOVE BARRIERS TO BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT JUST NECESSARILY THROUGH FUNDING, BUT THROUGH OTHER, OTHER PRIORITIES AND OTHER STRATEGIES. SO WE

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GREAT. THANK YOU. CHAIR. COUNCILWOMAN. LET THE RECORD REFLECT. WE'RE JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND COUNCILMAN JOSEPH IN CHAMBERS. NOW, COUNCILMAN WINKLER, THANK YOU. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT INVESTING IN PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS A PROVEN INTERVENTION THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR APPROACH. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT RESOURCES, INITIATIVES, BUDGET WILL BE USED TO CREATE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, SPECIFICALLY? SURE. I THINK THAT THIS IS THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO INTRODUCE KRISTY MCCRAVY WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND, AS I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAPITAL FUND, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT GOES TO THE TRUST FUND. AND THEN THEY PROVIDE FINANCING TO PROJECTS TO BE BUILT. SO. OKAY, KRISTY. GOOD AFTERNOON. KRISTY MCCRAVY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. AND ON THAT, IN REFERENCE TO THAT QUESTION, OVER HALF, WELL, AT LEAST HALF OF OUR FUNDS HAVE TO BE USED FOR HOUSING THAT IS RESERVED FOR HOUSEHOLDS UNDER 50%. AM I IN INTERNALLY? WELL, EVEN IN THE ORDINANCE LAST YEAR YOU HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT 5 MILLION OF THAT WAS TO GO TO HOUSEHOLDS SERVING HOUSEHOLDS LESS THAN 30% AM I MOST OF THOSE UNITS AND MOST OF THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE EVEN PROVIDED FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR, WERE USED FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS. WE THINK WE WILL SEE THE SAME THIS YEAR, WHERE WE WILL SEE THOSE 30% UNITS COMING ARE DIRECTED TO HOUSING FOR HOUSE, FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE

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THEY MOVED IN TO THE MARKET WITHIN THE PAST YEAR AND BOUGHT A OR STARTED INHABITING A WAREHOUSE IN PARKLAND. THERE WAS A LOT TO DO IN THAT WAREHOUSE THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED INTO AN EFFICIENT PLACE TO BUILD MODULAR HOUSING. SO THERE THEY WON A COMPETITIVE PROJECT TO DO A MODULAR DEMONSTRATION PROJECT ON SOME LAND BANK LOTS. AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WERE THEY WERE IMPROVING THE PRODUCTION FACILITY SO THAT IT COULD COULD PRODUCE MODULAR HOUSING. IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE THE FACILITY. I WAS THERE A FEW MONTHS AGO. IT'S PRETTY AMAZING HOW FAST THEY CAN BUILD HOUSES. THEY HAVE ONE LINE, THEY CALL THEM BOXES. SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DESIGN THE HOUSE. THEY. THEY PUT THE HOUSES OR THEY PUT THE DESIGN IN THERE, THEY PUT IT ON THE LINE AND MAKE FOUR BOXES ESSENTIALLY COULD EQUAL A HOUSE. WHEN THEY CAME IN FOR THE MODULAR DEMONSTRATION PROJECT THAT CAME ALONG WITH, WITH SOME FUNDING FOR ESSENTIALLY FOR GAP FINANCING. SO WE WORKED WITH THEM TO PICK A FEW LOTS. THEY WERE GOING TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY AND SOME TOWNHOMES. THEY REALLY WANTED TO. WE ALL WANTED TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOUSING THAT COULD BE DONE WITH MODULAR. SO AS THEY ARE GETTING THEIR PRODUCTION FACILITY UP AND RUNNING, WE'RE IN. WE WERE IN CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. THEY'RE VERY GOOD WITH PROVIDING PROGRESS REPORTS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. AND SO THEY REALIZED THAT WHEN ON THE LAND BANK SIDE OF THINGS, WHEN THEY YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD MAKE SOME SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS WITHIN 90 DAYS, THAT THAT JUST WASN'T REALISTIC. AND THAT'S VERY COMMON, AS UNFORTUNATE AS THAT MIGHT BE WITH OUR LAND BANK LOTS. SO THEY APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT THROUGH THE STATE, AND THAT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE. THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT PER BOX TYPE FOR PER DESIGN TYPE. SO ANYWAY, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THAT THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE FIRST ONE OF THE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IT IS EXPECTED TO BE SET UP ON THE LOT BY, WE'LL JUST CALL IT THE SUMMER BY BY PROBABLY MID-JULY. A LOT OF THE WORK THAT'S DONE ON THESE MODULAR HOUSES ARE DONE. THEY'RE FACTORY BUILT. THEY'RE DONE IN IN A FACTORY. AND THEY MY WENT THROUGH SOME, I DON'T KNOW, PRETTY STANDARD GROWING PAINS.

THEY HAD SOME THEFTS. THEY HAD SOME YOU KNOW, THEY THEY HIRED SOME PEOPLE THAT THAT DIDN'T

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THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH MONEY HAS MMI GOTTEN RECEIVED FROM METRO? I THINK IT IS 2.2 MILLION. THEY WERE IN THEIR THE PROJECT THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE MODULAR DEMONSTRATION THAT WAS A $500,000. AND THEN THERE WAS 1.7 MILLION FOR THE PRODUCTION FACILITY. OKAY. WHO MONITORS THEIR PROGRESS ON PRODUCTION? WE DO. OUR OUR TEAM DOES. OKAY. SO HOW MANY HOUSES OR MODULAR HOMES HAVE THEY BUILT OR DID WE LOOK INTO BEFORE WE DECIDED TO GIVE THEM THOSE FUNDS? DO YOU MEAN THE FUNDS FOR THE PRODUCTION FACILITY? YEAH, THE FUNDS FOR THE TO BUILD THESE MODULAR HOMES BECAUSE I'M A ECHO OFF MY COLLEAGUE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HE STATED THAT FROM THE NEWS ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, IT STATED THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. SO AND I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU ARE PRETTY ESTABLISHED DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE KINKS IN THE ROAD.

SO IT'S SURPRISING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GET LOCKED IN A 90 DAY CONTRACT AND COULDN'T FULFILL THAT CONTRACT. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE A DEVELOPER FROM DAY ONE, THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THAT. SO I'M ASKING, DID WE CHECK TO SEE IF THEY HAD BUILT ANY OTHER MODULAR HOMES PRIOR TO COMING HERE? I WAS NOT PART OF THE DECISION WHEN THEY CAME HERE. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT.

OKAY, YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT OKAY. I'VE BEEN HERE IN THIS ROLE SINCE AUGUST, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE. TO SAY THAT OR TO READ THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. THAT FACILITY IS AMAZING. IT IS REALLY. UP AND RUNNING. I'M NOT. I'M. EXCUSE ME. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITY BECAUSE THEY JUST PURCHASED THE FACILITY. THEY ACTUALLY JUST BOUGHT IT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. THEY JUST BOUGHT IT. SO I THOUGHT THAT BEFORE WE GAVE MONEY, I DIDN'T CORRECT ME BECAUSE I'M STILL NEW AND I'M STILL LEARNING THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO OWN THE LAND BEFORE WE GIVE THEM ANY MONEY. SO WE GAVE THEM MONEY AND THEY DIDN'T OWN THE LAND YET. WE, THEY, THEY HAD A LEASE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THAT OWNING THE LAND HAS BEEN NECESSARILY A PART. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT WE KNEW THAT THEY HAD A LEASE ON THAT LAND AND THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT AT SOME POINT, BUT THAT THEY DIDN'T WAIT UNTIL THEY PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY TO START UPDATING THE PRODUCTION FACILITY. I BELIEVE I WAS THERE, IT WAS COLD, SO MAYBE LIKE DECEMBER, JANUARY AND THEY WERE OPERATING. THEY HAD EMPLOYEES, THEY HAD ONE

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WE'RE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THE SINGLE FAMILY IN THE SUMMER. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH. YEAH, MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE SMALL DEVELOPER PROGRAM. WHAT HAS BEEN THE SUCCESS RATE OF THIS NEW PROGRAM? THE SMALL DEVELOPER PROGRAM, I THINK HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. I WILL SAY IT WAS A PILOT PROGRAM. IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND. SO WE OPENED UP THE APPLICATION PORTAL IN LATE DECEMBER. WE WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS, WE RECEIVED MORE APPLICATIONS THAN WE HAD FUNDS TO GIVE OUT OR TO LEND OUT. EXCUSE ME. SO THOSE DEVELOPERS HAVE RECEIVED CONDITIONAL COMMITMENTS AND NOW THEY ARE RECEIVING THEY'RE EXECUTING AGREEMENTS. WE'VE GOTTEN TWO, I THINK EXECUTED. BUT SO THE $1.9 MILLION THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALLOCATED FOR THAT, THOSE FUNDS ARE CONDITIONALLY COMMITTED. AND WE'LL HAVE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW MANY UNITS THAT WE WILL HAVE FOR THAT 30 UNITS. THANK YOU. IN MY EAR. AND THEY HAVE A PRETTY SHORT TERM IN ORDER TO REHAB THOSE UNITS, THEIR VACANT UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REHABBED AND RENTED OUT. SO IS IT 30 THAT HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY APPROVED? OKAY, OKAY. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FROM THE FIRST APPLICATION TO GETTING CONTRACTS EXECUTED? DEFINITELY LONGER THAN IT SHOULD. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN MAYBE FOUR, FOUR MONTHS. AND WE'VE WE'VE LEARNED A LOT ALONG THE WAY. SO OUR INTENTION I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL SAW IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING THIS YEAR TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM, BUT OUR PLAN IS TO DISCUSSIONS HAVE ALREADY STARTED ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE IT AND TO MAKE IT A BIT MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE, AND REALLY ALSO TARGET THE SMALL DEVELOPERS THAT THAT WE THAT WE NEED, THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED TO BUILD CAPACITY. OKAY, TWO MORE QUESTIONS, IF I CAN ABOUT THAT.

HOW MUCH OF THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROGRAM HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DRAWN DOWN? NONE. WE'VE JUST GOTTEN CONTRACTS EXECUTED. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN INVOICE IN FOR THE FIRST ONE, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE 75,000. AND THEN WE EXECUTED THE SECOND AGREEMENT. TODAY, THE AGREEMENTS HAVE TO BE EXECUTED BEFORE THOSE FUNDS CAN BE DRAWN. SO NOW ONCE THE AGREEMENTS ARE EXECUTED, THEY CAN START SUBMITTING INVOICES. SO WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS YOU'LL SEE FUNDS DRAWN. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAVE IS WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR THE SMALL DEVELOPER PROGRAM. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT AND DEFINITELY MAKING PLANS TO CHANGE. WE DEFINED A SMALL DEVELOPER AS A DEVELOPER THAT OWNED 50 UNITS OR LESS. AND WE TOOK THAT LOOKING AT SOME OTHER OTHER CITIES AND OTHER PROGRAMS. BUT WE REALIZED THAT THAT IS WAY TOO HIGH. SO THAT'S ONE ELIGIBLE ELIGIBILITY. THE OTHER IS THAT THEY THAT THEY OWN THE UNIT AND THAT IT'S VACANT AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RENT IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO RENT IT AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE. SO WE ARE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THOSE ELIGIBLE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VACANT AND ABANDONED HOUSING HOUSES FOR SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH THAT PROCESS MORE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, AND I GET THE QUESTION FROM SMALL AND MID-SIZED DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, CAN WE MAKE MORE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE AND MAKE MORE OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE KIND OF CONTIGUOUS AND ADJACENT, AVAILABLE SO WE CAN GET SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE? CAN YOU KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT AND LET LET ME. SURE. THANKS. YEAH. THANKS FOR THE THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. YES. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON VACANT AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WE HAVE OUR CITY HAS A LOT OF HAS A VARIETY OF TOOLS THAT WE USE FOR RESOLVING VACANT AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES. AND WE'VE WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL OVER THE YEARS AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND OF COURSE, WITH METRO COUNCIL SUPPORT OF MAKING SOME CHANGES THAT MAKE CERTAIN PROCESSES FASTER. BUT AT THE

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DEVELOPERS CAN PURCHASE 2 TO 4 PROPERTIES AT A TIME AND FIVE FIVE PLUS PROPERTIES AT A TIME.

AND SO THOSE THOSE CHANGES WILL BE VOTED ON LATER IN JUNE. THEY WERE PRETTY WELL RECEIVED.

THEY'RE OUT ACTUALLY, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW, I THINK I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ENDED MAYBE FRIDAY, BUT DEVELOPERS WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE MULTIPLE LOTS NOW, WHETHER WE OWN THEM CONTIGUOUSLY, THAT'S THAT'S AN ENTIRE OTHER OTHER STORY. BUT I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW, 8 TO 10 YEARS ON TARGETING AREAS, TARGETING BLOCKS. SO THAT TO YOUR POINT, WHEN YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY THE LAND BANK ALREADY OWNS ONE PARCEL AND THE NEXT ONE IS AVAILABLE OR IS ELIGIBLE FOR FORECLOSURE. WE WILL TRY TO GO AFTER THAT. SO BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR DEVELOPERS AND FRANKLY, FOR THE LAND BANK AS WELL. AND CHAIR, IF I CAN FOLLOW UP, I MEAN, AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET, I MEAN, NOT SPECIFICALLY OFFICE OF HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT CODES AND REGS, WE SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY ON MAINTENANCE ON THESE THESE PROPERTIES. SO I FEEL LIKE I HOPE THAT WE CAN START MOVING THESE THROUGH MORE QUICKLY. AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE RATHER THAN, THAN SELLING, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE DEALING WITH A NONPROFIT DEVELOPER WHO IS, WHO'S GOING TO COMMIT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING JUST TO GET THOSE PROPERTIES OFF THE BOOKS AND MOVE THEM THROUGH AND GET THEM BACK ON THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL MAKES SOME SENSE. SO I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH THE $7 MILLION GRANT YOU SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, THAT WHERE WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING RELATED TO VACANT ABANDONED HOUSES AND LAND BANKING AND TRYING TO MOVE THAT PROCESS MORE QUICKLY. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN USE THAT $7 MILLION ON TO HELP MOVE THAT PROCESS ALONG? I THINK THAT I THINK THAT SOME OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATES CAN ACTUALLY HELP WITH THAT. I WILL SAY THAT THE PROPOSAL FOR THE BUILDING OF NEW UNITS USING THE FACTORY BUILT HOUSING IS SLATED FOR METRO METRO OWNED PROPERTY AND PROBABLY PRIMARILY IN THE SOUTH AND OR EAST. SO IT MIGHT NOT BE A GREAT FIT FOR THAT PRO HOUSING GRANT MONEY. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WE'VE MADE A TON OF PROGRESS ON VACANT AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES. THE PROCESS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS NOW IS ON THE REDEVELOPMENT SIDE. SO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SMALL DEVELOPERS, I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN TURN VACANT PROPERTIES THROUGH THE FORECLOSURE AND THROUGH CONSERVATORSHIP AND THROUGH PROGRAMS ALL DAY LONG. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE END THAT HAS FUNDING AND THE WILL TO REDEVELOP IT AND SELL IT OR RENT IT, THAT IS NOT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE. IT'S JUST GOING TO TURN INTO A CITY MAINTAINED LOT RATHER THAN AN ABANDONED LOT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, HAVING FUNDING FOR SMALLER DEVELOPERS, HAVING FUNDING FOR LARGER DEVELOPERS, HAVING FUNDING FOR NEIGHBORS. HELPING

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BOSTON UNIVERSITY WAS VERY HELPFUL TO US, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME KINKS TO WORK OUT. SO I BELIEVE WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, YOU'LL SEE MORE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND IF YOU CAN UPDATE US ON THAT, AS YOU CAN. BUT MY LAST QUESTION IS, I SEE THERE'S 200,000, I THINK, FOR THE ALI CENTER. AND THEN THERE'S 1.8 MILLION FOR THE HEALING PLACE. AND KNOWING THAT THESE ENTITIES ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY CONTINUE TO GROW. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS FOR? THAT FUNDING IS FOR BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT? I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT THE HEALING PLACE CAME OUT OF THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDING. AND THE ALI CENTER IS, I BELIEVE, A CONTINUATION OF FUNDING THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED IN THE PAST FOR SOME RENOVATIONS, SOME INTERIOR RENOVATIONS. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THE DETAILS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU. CHAIR. DEVT HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF TO DEAL WITH THE 220 MILLION PLUS

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HIS QUESTION WAS THE IS BACK TO THE PRO HOUSING GRANT. HE ASKED OUT OF THAT $7 MILLION HOW MANY

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SO IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S MODULAR OR MANUFACTURED. ONE OF THEM, THE STATE HANDLES THAT.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THE ME SIDE. BACK TO COUNCILMAN OWENS QUESTION.

WINKLER'S QUESTION. SORRY. THE STATE HAD TO GIVE THE PERMIT FOR THAT. BUT THE CITY GIVES THE FOUNDATION PERMIT JUST LIKE IT WOULD ANYTHING FOR ANYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S A BIT OF A IT'S A BIT OF A MIX. SO DO WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING FOR HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. WE METRO LOUISVILLE ARE GOING TO DO IT. OH WE THE CITY CODES AND REGS HOW WE ARE GOING TO PERMIT AND INSPECT. YEAH THAT THAT'S MY IS THAT THE QUESTION. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT. I, I ASSUME IT IS. IT WILL NOT BE ME. YOU WILL NOT WANT ME TO BE INSPECTING THAT, BUT IT WILL BE UNDER CODES AND REGS AND CONSTRUCTION REVIEW. AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO FIGURE THIS OUT, AND THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY ACTUALLY. THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY QUICK ABOUT IT. SO THEY'RE GETTING READY OKAY. SO LOUISVILLE METRO CODES AND REGS WILL BE DOING THE PERMITTING AND THE INSPECTING FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING. THEY DO IT FOR THEY WILL DO IT FOR. GOSH I'M JUST I'M JUST ANSWERING MODULAR I'M TRYING TO THINK THE STATE HANDLES THE MODULAR. IF I'M USING THE WRONG WORDS. NO IT'S OKAY I'M INTERCHANGING MANUFACTURING AND MODULAR FOR THE HOUSING. LET'S LET'S GET CLARITY HERE FOR THE HOUSING. WHO'S GOING TO DO THE INSPECTING OKAY I WAS I WAS WRONG ON THAT. OKAY. SO I GUESS FOR MODULAR THE CITY IS DOING THE INSPECTIONS, THE INSPECTION OF THE FACTORY, THE INSPECTION OF THE ON SITE. SO WE WOULD NOT ACCEPT AN INSPECTION CERTIFICATE FROM THE COMPANY, FROM THE DEVELOPER? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIR. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL, SINCE WE'RE ON MMI, I'LL FOCUS MY FIRST SET OF QUESTIONS ON THAT AND THEN I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY? EARLIER, YOU SAID PRETTY CONFIDENT AND QUICKLY THAT MMI TO DATE HAS GOTTEN $2.2 MILLION, 1.7 OF THAT FOR THEIR FACILITY BUILDOUT AND 500,000 FOR THEIR PILOT PROJECT.

HOWEVER, IN FISCAL YEAR 25, PROJECT 115 HAS $1.2 MILLION FOR PRODUCTION FACILITY DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS IT 1.2, 1.7 OR 2.2? AND WHERE DID THAT WHY WHY DON'T WE HAVE THOSE CORRECT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US? THERE WERE THREE. THERE WERE THREE. ALLOCATIONS, THREE DIFFERENT CAPITAL PROJECTS LAST YEAR FOR THIS. THERE WERE THREE LINE ITEMS. THERE WAS A I DON'T I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET TO FIND THEM. BUT THERE WAS THERE WAS A $500,000 ALLOCATION FOR THE PRODUCTION FACILITY. THEN THERE WAS A 1.2. THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU SEE. AND THEN THERE WAS 500,000. THAT WAS PART OF A HOMEOWNERSHIP INCENTIVE CAPITAL PROJECT. AND

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AND THEN THERE'S ONE ON 42ND. AND HOW MANY UNITS PER SITE? THERE IS ONE GOING ON TO THE SINGLE FAMILY SITE ON 42ND, AND THERE ARE TOWNHOMES. I BELIEVE THERE ARE TOWNHOMES GOING ON THE 18TH STREET SITE. SO I'VE BEEN ON EVERY SINGLE PAGE OF THERE, VERY MINIMAL WEBSITE AND THE THERE'S LITTLE TO NO REAL PHOTOGRAPHY ON MY WEBSITE, AND EVERYTHING'S MOSTLY COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGES. LOOKS LIKE A GREAT FRONT FOR A BUSINESS, BUT HERE, NOR THERE. AS WE'RE ALL AWARE, LOUISVILLE METRO'S 26 METRO COUNCIL DISTRICTS VARY QUITE DIFFERENTLY. I KNOW THIS MODULAR HOUSING. YOU CAN HAVE ONE UNIT, YOU CAN HAVE 600 UNITS. AND SO AS YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, ONE OF EACH OF THESE IN EACH DISTRICT, IS THAT ONE HOUSE WITH ONE UNIT FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY IN EACH DISTRICT. OR WILL EACH DISTRICT VARY? AND ASSUMING THAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN $500,000 FOR THIS PROJECT TO HAPPEN IN TWO DIFFERENT SITES ALREADY, ARE WE TO ASSUME THAT IT'S $250,000 PER SITE? NO, THAT WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS. BUT NO, THE 500,000 FOR THE MODULAR WAS A LOAN AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY FOR FIVE PARCELS. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO HELP SHOWCASE WHAT MODULAR COULD DO. IT CAN DO A SINGLE FAMILY. IT CAN DO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, IT CAN DO A TOWNHOUSE, IT CAN DO A FOURPLEX. SO THE IDEA WAS, LET'S GET THE SINGLE FAMILY BUILT FIRST, AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE CAN BE BUILT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS, IT IT COULD IT COULD VARY. I MEAN THE IT DEPENDS ON THE AREA, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE LOT, THE PARCEL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF VARIANCES, OF VARIANCES. BUT THE I GUESS THE, THE VISION OR THE IDEA IS TO SHOW THAT MODULAR CAN BLEND IN WITH ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF NEIGHBORHOODS. SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LOUISVILLE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE PROOF OF CONCEPT FOR A BUSINESS, BUT HERE WE ARE, IS THERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MODULAR HOUSING, AND THERE HAS TO BE A VISION. WE WANT TO CREATE X AMOUNT OF UNITS IN 26 COUNCIL DISTRICTS. THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. BECAUSE I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO KEEP FUNNELING INTO THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FROM YET? WELL, AT THIS POINT, WE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR 1 MILLION TO CONTINUE THE PILOT PROJECT THAT THAT WE STARTED KNOWING THAT. THE FIRST HOUSE HAS BEEN DESIGNED, IT IS ON THE LINE, IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED, AND WITHIN A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS IT WILL BE SET AND READY TO GO.

IT'S IT IS DIFFICULT WITH MODULAR BECAUSE YOU YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE THE IT'S NOT STICK BUILT, YOU DON'T SEE THE FRAMING AND YOU DON'T SEE THE, THE ALL OF THAT. YOU, YOU GO TO THE FACTORY AND YOU CAN SEE IT BEING BUILT. YOU SEE THE DESIGNS SO THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FUNDING FOR 24 COUNCIL DISTRICTS OR FOR 24 HOUSES IN THIS BUDGET, THAT WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T BE REALISTIC. BUT WE DO THINK THAT A MILLION FOR, YOU KNOW, 5 TO 7 MODULAR HOUSING HOUSES OVER THE NEXT YEAR IS, IS PROBABLY PRETTY REALISTIC. SO THERE IS NO GRAND VISION, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE GIVING MONEY TO THIS, HOPING THAT IT WILL MATERIALIZE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY GRAND VISION? WELL, AGAIN, IS THERE A GOAL FOR UNITS 26 UNITS? ARE WE TRYING TO BUILD 50 UNITS? ARE WE TRYING WHEN WE'VE GIVEN EVERY LAST PENNY TO ME TO BUILD UNITS IN EACH 26 DISTRICT. HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE EXPECTING TO HAVE BUILT? BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A MILLION HERE, A MILLION HERE, A MILLION HERE AND GET 26 UNITS, I'D RATHER US INVEST THAT MONEY IN A DIFFERENT WAY. GOT IT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. I, I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE GRAND VISION BECAUSE I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I THINK THEY DO HAVE A GRAND VISION WHAT WE,

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WE'VE HEARD THAT WE GET THAT, WE GET THAT PART. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT MODULAR HOUSING IS. I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT UP ON THIS ANYMORE. I HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HEARD ENOUGH TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS RIDICULOUS, TO CONTINUE PUMPING MONEY INTO THIS UNTIL WE'VE SEEN THE PRODUCTS OR THE FRUITS OF THE FIRST INVESTMENT COME THROUGH, OR EVEN A PLAN. LAST QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. AND THIS IS A YES OR A NO. IS THERE ANY MONEY IN THIS BUDGET FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER IROQUOIS HOMES SITE? NO, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PURVIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MISS GRABOWSKI. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK YOU. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH INVENTORY DO YOU HAVE FOR BOTH LAND BANK PROPERTIES AND METRO OWNED HOUSING? THE LAND BANK HAS AROUND 800 PARCELS. MOST OF THAT IS LOTS METRO.

THAT'S A THAT'S A HARDER QUESTION BECAUSE METRO GOVERNMENT ITSELF OWNS LIKE 1700 PARCELS, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE LIKE THE ONE WE'RE SITTING IN TODAY. SO IT'S HARDER TO I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF HOW MANY PARCELS METRO OWNS THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED OR THAT ARE VACANT. IS IT ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION? SURE. OKAY, OKAY.

AND WHY IS IT THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHY IS IT THAT THEY HAVE NOT DISPOSED OF MORE PROPERTIES TO DEVELOPERS? WELL, SOME OF IT GOES TO SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WHICH IS THAT THE LAND BANK HISTORICALLY HAS HAS SOLD ONE PARCEL AT A TIME. AND WE'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS THAT DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE DEVELOPERS ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING MORE THAN ONE PARCEL AT A TIME. SO WE HAVE PROPOSED SOME PROGRAMS TO THE LAND BANK THEY ARE OUT FOR. THEY'VE BEEN OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THEM APPROVED AT THE END OF JUNE. THAT WILL ALLOW APPLICANTS TO APPLY FOR 2 TO 4 PARCEL OR 2 TO 4 PARCELS AT A TIME, AND THEN EVEN FIVE AND FIVE AND UP PARCELS AT A TIME. AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WITH THAT, WITH THOSE PROGRAMS, WE CAN WE CAN REALLY START TO SEE MORE DISPOSITIONS, MORE SUCCESSFUL DISPOSITIONS OF LAND BANK PROPERTIES. SO HAVE WE IDENTIFIED YOUR PROCESS? HAVEN'T YOU MORE OR LESS OF A BARRIER FROM BEING ABLE TO MAKE THESE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE TO THESE DEVELOPERS? YEAH. FRANKLY, IN THE IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN THAT. THE LAND BANK HAS BEEN PRETTY RISK AVERSE. THESE ARE PROPERTIES, AS YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AND VACANT FOR DECADES SOMETIMES. AND SO THE LAND BANK BOARD HAS I THINK WE'VE BEEN A BIT RISK AVERSE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU TAKE IT BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE WOULD PROVIDE WE WOULD DISPOSE OF PROPERTIES TO ENTITIES AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OR THEY WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. AND WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO GET THEM BACK. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WOULD INCREASE OUR AMOUNT OF DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE WOULD DO BEFORE GIVING THEM AWAY. SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE HISTORY THERE. BUT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WORK MORE WITH DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO PURCHASE MULTIPLE PARCELS. SO DOES YOUR RFP HAVE A TIME FRAME LISTED FOR DEVELOPING? YES, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION TO BE, IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER AND YOU WANT TO PURCHASE PROPERTIES FROM THE LAND BANK, IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR THEM TO DEVELOP THOSE PROPERTIES? RIGHT, YES. SO THE PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS FOR IS 12 MONTHS. OKAY. AND YOU DO KNOW THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, RIGHT.

YES. WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. I WILL SAY THAT IN THE PAST, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ASKED DEVELOPERS TO TELL US HOW LONG THEY WILL TAKE TO EITHER REHAB A PROPERTY OR BUILD A PROPERTY. AND THEN, I MEAN, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NORMALLY 12 TO 18, 24 MONTHS AND

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AND FRANKLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER VACANT PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE COULD BUY IF THEY WANT TO BE SPECULATIVE AND PURCHASE PROPERTIES. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. IN MY LAST QUESTION. I THINK MAYBE MISS MCRAE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER. I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED. YOUR DEVELOPERS FOR YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. CHRISTY MCCRAVEY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LOUISVILLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. WE DO NOT IDENTIFY, PRE IDENTIFY DEVELOPERS FOR OUR PROJECTS.

WHAT WE DO IS AFTER THE JUNE ALLOCATION IS MADE, WE REVISE OUR GUIDELINES BASED ON ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE. WE THEN HAVE ORIENTATION TO OPEN THE WINDOW WHICH IS WE HAVE A COMPETITIVE ROUND OF APPLICATIONS. SO WE WILL HAVE ORIENTATION. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT ORIENTATION SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER. OPEN THE WINDOW BY OCTOBER 10TH. THAT'S OUR NORMAL DATE. AND THEN START BEGINNING TO ACCEPT APPLICATIONS SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE OUR FIRST SET OF APPROVALS BY THE END OF THE YEAR. AND DO YOU HAVE A TIME FRAME FOR DEVELOPMENT? WE DO, IF THEY ARE SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS, THEY RANGE FROM 18 MONTHS TO THREE YEARS, DEPENDING UPON THE NUMBER OF HOMES. IF IT IS A LARGER MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, THEY HAVE THREE YEARS. THAT IS IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS GRABOWSKI. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HOPKINS. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA JUMP BACK ON THIS MAP REAL QUICK. AGAIN, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. HAS ANYONE FROM HOUSING WENT TO VISIT THERE? AND NOT JUST AT THE GRAND OPENING, AND NOT JUST BEFORE THE BREAKING NEWS CAME OUT. HAS ANYONE WENT DOWN THERE BEFORE THEY PUT THOSE MODEL HOMES DOWN THERE? BECAUSE I'M JUST ASKING, LIKE, TO SEE HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THEY HAD, IF THEY WAS IN THE GUIDELINES OF THAT WE SENT OVER THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY IN. SO DID YOU DID YOU ALL GO DOWN THERE AND VISIT? YES. YEAH. I MEAN, HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU DONE THAT? I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD I WAS DOWN THERE LIKE PROBABLY EVERY SIX WEEKS. YOU SAID ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO. NO, EVERY ABOUT EVERY SIX WEEKS I THINK WE'VE BEEN SOMEBODY'S BEEN DOWN THERE.

TO THE ACTUAL PRODUCTION EACH WEEK THAT YOU WENT. YEAH. STARTING, PROBABLY STARTING IN OCTOBER. YES. OKAY. HOW MANY RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT FROM HOUSING PROGRAMS UNDER THIS BUDGET? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. LET'S SEE. LET'S SEE HERE. SO GOING OFF OF WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE, WE'VE SEEN LIKE OKAY LET ME LOOK. SORRY I'M RAMBLING. HOMEOWNER REPAIR LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY 200 TO 300. OUR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT OCHD DOES. WE'RE HOPING TO SEE A DECENT AMOUNT COMPLETED. I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM OFF OF THIS BUDGET, RIGHT. I KNOW I CAN ADD IT UP AND COME BACK, BUT OTHERWISE I NEED TO ADD IT UP WHILE I'M THINKING. SO I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE AROUND, I DON'T KNOW, 2000. AND WE'LL ADD TRUST FUND IN THERE TOO. OKAY. CAN YOU GET US A FIRM NUMBER ON THAT IN

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BUT THOSE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS ALSO, THEY ARE SET IN THERE TO HELP PROGRAMS RUN EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. SO THEY MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS SPENDING MONEY IN THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD, AND SPENDING MONEY ON ELIGIBLE PROJECTS AND SPENDING MONEY FAST ENOUGH. WE. WE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PROCESSES QUITE A BIT. WE'VE MADE QUITE A FEW IMPROVEMENTS. WE'VE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS TO DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO VACANT PROPERTIES. AND HOW DOES THIS BUDGET SUPPORT THE CITY'S LONG TERM GOALS FOR HOUSING? SO THE CITY REALLY IS FOCUSED ON I MEAN, WE ARE FOCUSED ON BUILDING UNITS. WE'VE GOT WE HAVE A CRISIS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. SO THIS BUDGET WILL CREATE NEW UNITS WHILE PRESERVING THE UNITS THAT ARE OUT THERE. THAT'S HOW IT THAT'S HOW IT WILL WORK TOWARD THE CITY'S LONG TERM HOUSING GOAL. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN, IT'S RIGHT AT 5:00. THIS HEARING IS SCHEDULED TO END AT FIVE. THERE ARE THREE FOLKS IN THE QUEUE. ALL OF THEM HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS BEFORE, BUT I'M INCLINED TO. IF. MISS GRABOWSKI, YOU DON'T MIND HANGING AROUND FOR AN EXTRA TEN MINUTES, I'M INCLINED TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO ASK THESE LAST FEW QUESTIONS. I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES, PLEASE, THE THREE THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE, PLUS, THE ONE QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK NOW NEEDS TO BE THE REST OF THE HEARING FOR TODAY. I'M LOOKING BACK OVER A NUMBER OF GENERAL OBLIGATION NOTES AND BONDS. I'M LOOKING ONLY AT THE ONES THAT PREDATE 2020. IF YOU ADD THOSE SIX TOGETHER, IT COMES OUT TO BE OVER $1 MILLION. IS ARE THOSE AND THAT'S THOSE ARE BONDS THAT WE HOLD. THAT'S IT'S OUR BORROWED MONEY. IT'S OURS. SO AT WHAT POINT CAN WE GO OUT AND SWEEP THOSE AND MOVE THEM TO OTHER PROJECTS. MAY I ANSWER YES PLEASE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE FOR. WE CAN AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE SWEPT THERE. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN I'M TALKING ALL OF THESE ARE BORROWED MONEY. SO THERE'S LOTS OF FEDERAL MONEY OUT THERE. STILL, WE COULD ASK LOTS AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE. I WAS FOCUSED ONLY ON GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND NOTES THAT PREDATE 2020. IF WE WANT TO INCLUDE 2021 THROUGH 2025, THAT GIVES US A MUCH BIGGER NUMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN. THE LAST THREE FOLKS IN THE QUEUE, I'D ASK, KEEP IN MIND WE'RE AT 5:00. SO, COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, ONE QUESTION OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AFFORDABLE TRUST FUNDS HAVE RECEIVED, WHAT PERCENTAGE HAS GONE TOWARDS HOME OWNERSHIP? CHRISTY MCCRAVEY,

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THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE PARK HILL COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BOUNCED AROUND IN TERMS OF RESPONSIBILITY. I KNOW THE PREVIOUS OCCUPANT OF MY OFFICE HAD TRIED TO SECURE SOME FUNDING FOR REALLY CRITICAL, NEEDED RENOVATIONS THERE THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY JUST THEY THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON HOUSING DIRECTLY. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF YOUR OFFICE'S BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR INCLUDES THE BAXTER COMMUNITY CENTER. IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF US BEING ABLE TO GET THAT MONEY SPENT THROUGH YOUR OFFICE TO DO THESE REALLY CRITICAL. I MEAN, KIDS ARE WALKING THROUGH SEWAGE OVER THERE. YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PROPOSAL. BUT THAT IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AT LEAST REVIEWING. OKAY, GREAT. I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED IT TO BE IN THIS BUDGET TO REALLY CRITICAL NEED. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE THING ON THE THING, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE IF IT'S ALREADY 1 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT IS COMMITTED AND SUBMITTED TO HUD, WHY IS THAT SO LATE IN THE PROCESS TO US? LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. OH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. OKAY. THE PRO HOUSING GRANT THAT WE SUBMITTED TO HUD AND RECEIVED AN AWARD THAT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE MMI FUNDING SO THAT THAT FUNDING THAT WILL BE THAT IS SLATED TO BE USED FOR FACTORY BUILT HOUSING ON METRO OWNED LAND IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO ME. WE WOULD PUT OUT A WELL. IN FACT, WE HAVE WE'VE CALLED FOR DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP ON METRO OWNED LAND. SO ANY FACTORY BUILT OWNER COULD SUBMIT ON THAT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL, YOU HAVE THE LAST SERIES OF QUESTIONS. SIR. YOU HAD SAID THAT IN FISCAL YEAR, YOU WANTED TO DO 180 HOUSEHOLD REPAIRS. AND I WAS WONDERING, HAVE YOU MET THAT GOAL? YES. AND HOW MANY? OH, WAIT A MINUTE. ALMOST. OKAY, SO WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 150 IN HOMEOWNER REPAIR. AND SO WILL THERE BE MONEY LEFT OVER FROM THAT FROM LAST YEAR TO MOVE FORWARD? YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE HOME REPAIR NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO OUR CONSULTANT IS COMING IN THIS WEEK. AND ACTUALLY SHE WILL BE PRESENTING AT THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SHORT SORT OF TAKEAWAYS ARE THAT THERE IS MUCH MORE NEED FOR HOME REPAIR THAN WE HAVE FUNDING FOR, THAT THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE THE ONLY OR THE MAIN FUNDER OF HOMEOWNER REPAIR THAT WE NEED, THAT OUR CITY NEEDS A LARGER ECOSYSTEM OF FUNDERS AND PARTNERS. AND THREE, THAT THE THAT METRO GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO REDUCE OR LIMIT OR USE MORE PARTNERS AND KIND OF GET OUT OF THE DIRECT SERVICE GAME.

THOSE ARE THE HIGH LEVEL TAKEAWAYS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT WHEN IT COMES IN. YOU. CHRISTY. SORRY. HI, MISS GRABOWSKI, YOU'RE THROWING THE FLOOR TO MISS MCCREEVY. I APPARENTLY ONLY TO MAKE A CORRECTION. COUNCILMAN. THAT NUMBER IS 453 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THROUGH THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 25. YOUR EVICTION PREVENTION PROGRAM ENDS AT THE END OF JUNE 2025, AND IT WILL NOT CONTINUE. DO WE KNOW THE IMPACT OF DISCONTINUING THIS PROGRAM WILL HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITIES? IS THERE ANY MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR EVICTION PREVENTION? AND DO WE KNOW ABOUT HOW ANNUAL HOW MUCH ANNUALLY WE WOULD NEED TO TRULY MAKE AN IMPACT ON OFFLINING PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO HOMELESSNESS? I THINK THERE ARE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. OUR OFFICE, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE GOT INTO THE EVICTION PREVENTION PROGRAM. WHEN COVID CAME IN, THE CITY HAD SO MUCH MONEY TO GET OUT THE DOOR. BUT WE ARE

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THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY THEY DEAL WITH DIRECT CLIENT SERVICES. SO I, I KNOW THERE THERE IS AN IMPACT OF THAT FUNDING GOING AWAY. OF COURSE, IT WAS HUGELY SUCCESSFUL. BUT AS FAR AS NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE WOULD NEED, THAT'S DEFINITELY A QUESTION FOR, FOR SOCIAL SERVICES. SURE. I THINK $177 MILLION, IF I RECALL, HAS GONE SINCE 2020 TO EVICTION PREVENTION. THIS YEAR WE HAVE LESS THAN 2 MILLION GOING TO THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY MINISTRIES TO ADMINISTER THAT. BUT 17 OUT OF THE 13 USE THAT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ALONE AND NOT FOR DIRECT ASSISTANCE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GIVING FOR EVICTION PREVENTION IS GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY LOWER, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A MONUMENTAL IMPACT ON THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE SEE IN OUR STREETS AND ON OUR SHELTERS. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY AWARE OF THAT LAST QUESTION. LAST YEAR IN PROJECT NUMBER EIGHT, WE HAD GIVEN $750,000 TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS I'D HAVE TO LOOK, BUT IT'S COMPLEMENTARY FUNDS FOR RUSSELL. AND THEN THIS YEAR WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER $750,000. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH OF OUR MATCHING COMMITMENT IS LEFT, AND IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST AN ONGOING ANNUAL $750,000? AND WHAT PROJECTS DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FROM THAT FROM LAST YEAR'S? INVESTMENT? I KNOW I'M GOING TO HOLD ON. I'M LOOKING SO THAT THAT FUND INITIALLY WAS FOR THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THE REDO OF BEECHER TERRACE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WENT ALONG WITH IT. IT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN HAS BEEN EXPANDED OUTSIDE OF RUSSELL. SO THEY IT IS FUNDED. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, THE LIST OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY FUNDED IN THIS CURRENT YEAR. IT'S TAKING ME A MINUTE. I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE FUNDED. THE BEAUREGARD COLLEGE OF MUSIC. IT'S ON MUHAMMAD ALI AND RUSSELL. IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT HAD GONE INTO DISREPAIR. WE RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, AND SO WE USED SOME OF THAT FUNDING TO MATCH IT. AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO IT'S ALMOST FINISHED. WE'RE GETTING READY TO ANNOUNCE AN OPERATOR FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT THAT WE USE WITH THAT. BUT IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH THE ACTUAL LIST OF PROJECTS I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET, I'M THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT LOOKING. BUT IN FISCAL YEAR 27, ARE WE TO EXPECT ANOTHER $750,000? IS THIS IN PERPETUITY? I DON'T THINK I'LL ANSWER ABOUT IN PERPETUITY, BUT YES, IT'S IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR A VARIETY OF REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OVER THE RIGHT THIS YEAR. AND I KNOW IN THE IN THE PAST YEARS, SURE, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT LIST. ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. THANK YOU COLLEAGUES.

THANK YOU FOR BEING SO MINDFUL AND FOCUSED. I HAD SUGGESTED THAT WE MIGHT EXTEND AN EXTRA TEN MINUTES. I DO HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS REQUESTED AN OPPORTUNITY. SO COUNCILMAN, WE ARE STILL WITHIN THAT EXTRA TEN MINUTES. THANK YOU, MISS GRABOWSKI. OFTENTIMES WE GET COMPLAINTS IN REGARDS TO THE CONTRACTORS THAT YOU ALL ARE USING. SO I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO CONFIRM THAT THESE CONTRACTORS ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE, THAT THEY'RE LICENSED BONDED REFERENCE CHECKS, BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT INCOMPLETE WORK, INADEQUATE WORK, AND THEN WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN WE GET THESE COMPLAINTS.

ABSOLUTELY. WE HATE WE HATE HEARING THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER THAT'S IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THEIR STRESS LEVEL. I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOME REPAIR CLIENTS REPORT THAT THEY HAVE NO TROUBLE AND THAT THEY'RE VERY SATISFIED WITH THE CONTRACTORS. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, WE SOMETIMES DO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS AND SOMETIMES THEY OF COURSE, GO TO OUR OUR COUNCIL OFFICES. SO WE DO HAVE A PRETTY A PRETTY STRINGENT VETTING PROCESS FOR THE HOME REPAIR CONTRACTORS. I WILL SAY THAT WE GENERALLY NEED MORE CONTRACTORS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK ON OUR PROGRAM IS SMALLER THAN IT THAN

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