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METRO TV WILL START IN ONE MINUTE. EVERYBODY. AND. ANYBODY, YOU KNOW THAT. GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. HEY.GREAT. IS THAT. GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE EIGHTH DAY OF BUDGET HEARINGS. I'M COUNCILMAN KEVIN CRAMER. I'M JOINED BY MY VICE CHAIR, MARCUS WINKLER. HE IS JOINING US ONLINE. ALSO IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS COUNCILMAN SAM COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL AND COUNCILWOMAN RUBY JOINED ALSO ONLINE BY COUNCILMAN OWEN. I THINK THAT CATCHES UP WITH WHO IS HERE. COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. I WILL TRY AND ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN OTHERS JOIN US. THERE IS A THE MEETING IS BEING HELD VIRTUALLY. SO, MADAM CLERK, IF YOU'D PLEASE READ THE STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO CARRY 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE EIGHT READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. WE WILL BEGIN OUR HEARINGS TODAY WITH LOUISVILLE FIRE, FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES. DEPARTMENTS WILL NOT BE MAKING OPENING OPENING COMMENTS AND WE WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTIONS. I WILL REMIND YOU BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING LOUISVILLE'S LOUISVILLE FIRES PROPOSED $83.3 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET AND $3.8 MILLION CAPITAL BUDGET. WELCOME, CHIEF O'NEILL.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS. LOUISVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET INCLUDES $55,000 FOR EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TRAINING AND $60,000 TO INSTALL MOBILE DATA TERMINALS IN ARSON VEHICLES. LET ME START OFF BY ASKING HOW MANY VEHICLES WILL THAT EQUIP AND WITH THE TERMINALS, AND THEN HOW OFTEN WILL THE TERMINALS NEED TO BE REPLACED OR UPDATED? WHAT ARE THE FUTURE ANTICIPATED COSTS FOR REPLACEMENT OR UPDATES OR ONGOING CONTRACTS OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT ENTAIL? SURE. SO THERE ARE TEN ARSON VEHICLES, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL COVER IS THE TEN MOBILE DATA TERMINALS IN THOSE. THIS IS A ONE TIME COST FOR THE HARDWARE. WE EXPECT A SIGNIFICANT LIFE OUT OF THE OUT OF THOSE THERE. BASICALLY IT'S A IT'S A LAPTOP COMPUTER, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDIER THAN THAT. IT'S A TOUCH SCREEN. SO WE KNOW THIS IS A ONE TIME COST FOR THOSE MDTS. GREAT. THANK YOU. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILMAN PARISH. RIGHT. COUNCILMAN BRATCHER AND COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILMAN LINENGER. COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND CHIEF. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON TODAY. I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THE FIRST IS IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PROPOSAL. HE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW DRONE PROGRAM. I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE FIRE BUDGET. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR. THAT IS ACTUALLY AN EMAS BUDGET. BUT WE ARE A PART OF THAT PROGRAM. I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. I REALLY WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE TOTAL COST. WHERE ARE THOSE DRONES GOING TO BE HOUSED IN THE FIREHOUSES OR ELSEWHERE? AND JUST IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE MAYBE A MINUTE OR TWO MINUTE SYNOPSIS OF THE PROGRAM AND ITS COSTS AND DEPLOYMENT? ABSOLUTELY. SO I'M NOT PRIVY TO THE EXACT COST, SO I'LL LET EMA HANDLE THAT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLARS. BUT YES, THE FIRST WAVE, THE FIRST ROUND IS TO PLAN, IS TO PLACE THEM STRATEGICALLY AROUND THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT AND TO UTILIZE FIREHOUSES. THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR THAT IS THESE ARE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH TAPPING INTO THE PHYSICAL HARDWARE, THE WIRING POWER, ETCETERA. SO THEY'LL BE SET UP ON THOSE ROOFS. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE FIREFIGHTERS THERE THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM OR THERE'S A SERVICE NEED, IT'S EASY ACCESS FOR THOSE. SO THOSE WILL BE GOING UP SO THAT THEY CAN LAUNCH FROM THAT AREA. PERFECT.
SHIFTING GEARS A LITTLE BIT, I BELIEVE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, YOU DO HAVE A REDUCTION IN PERSONNEL EXPENSE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. CAN YOU TALK TO WHY THERE IS A REDUCTION? THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THE REDUCTION IS THE CHANGE IN THE PSERS CONTRIBUTION RATE, WHICH IS GOING TO SAVE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF OUR BUDGET. BUT NET NET, THERE'S NO HEADCOUNT
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REDUCTION. NO, SIR, NO, SIR. WE'RE STILL THE SAME NUMBER. IN FACT, WE'VE GOT WE'LL BE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS NEXT WEEK. SO ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN BECOMING A FIREFIGHTER I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. OKAY. PERFECT. AND CHIEF, MY LAST QUESTION, I KNOW THERE'S $3 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET FOR A NEW FIREHOUSE. CAN YOU SPEND JUST A MINUTE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF THE LONG TERM CAPITAL NEEDS FOR LOUISVILLE FIRE? I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER, AT LEAST ONE OTHER FIREHOUSE THAT CANNOT CURRENTLY HANDLE COED FIREFIGHTERS. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR FIRE HOUSES ARE DATED. DO YOU HAVE INSIGHT OR CAN YOU SHARE SORT OF THE, YOU KNOW, NEXT 3 TO 5 YEAR CAPITAL NEEDS FOR FIRE? SURE. SO THE PLAN IS, YES, THAT ENGINE 23 IS ACTUALLY THE SOLE FIREHOUSE THAT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE FEMALES, CANNOT ACCOMMODATE COED. IT WAS BUILT IN 1951 OR 52. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 75 YEARS OLD. AND IF YOU LOOK ALSO ELSEWHERE IN THE BUDGET, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS. AND AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO PULL THE BAND-AID OFF AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW. AND THAT'S WHAT MAYOR GREENBURG HAS COMMITTED TO DO. SO THAT WILL BE THE FIRST ONE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOCATING. WE'RE WORKING WITH SEVERAL OTHER METRO AGENCIES TO LOCATE LAND SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT. AND YES, THAT WILL BE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, TO START AS SOON AS WE CAN AFTER THIS BUDGET APPROVAL. SECONDARY TO THAT, WE WILL NEED A LITTLE MORE FUNDS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH THE MAYOR HAS STATED THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR AS WELL, TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT AND POTENTIALLY LOOK AT ANOTHER STATION. THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS IN THE SMOKETOWN NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT IS ENGINE NINE CURRENTLY ON BRECKENRIDGE LANE OVER THERE. THE THING ABOUT THE SMOKETOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDERGOING A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT AND NEW GROWTH. WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH A COMPUTER SOFTWARE THAT CAN NOT ONLY POOL ALL THE DATA OUT OF THE CAD TO SEE OUR RESPONSES FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT ALSO USE THAT FOR PREDICTIVE DATA. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF WE PUT IN A NEW FIREHOUSE, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE BEST POSSIBLE LOCATION TO HANDLE OUR CHANGING COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT THESE FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE 75, 80 YEARS OLD, THE CITY LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT BACK THEN. PERFECT.THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN WOOLRIDGE. OH, FOR THE RECORD, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE'VE JOINED BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON. WE'VE BEEN JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, AND WE'VE BEEN JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILMAN HERNDON. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MISS WOOLDRIDGE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO I HAVE TO SAY, IN REVIEW OF YOUR RETENTION, WHATEVER YOU ALL ARE DOING SEEMS TO BE WORKING, IS YOUR RETENTION SEEMS TO BE LOWER THAN THOSE METRO WIDE. SO GREAT JOB TO THAT. THANK YOU. QUESTION IS, IN REGARDS TO OPENINGS, HOW MANY OPENINGS DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 40 VACANCIES. THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S IN A RECRUIT SCHOOL RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE GRADUATING IN SEPTEMBER. SO WE HAVE 23 PEOPLE THAT WILL BE GRADUATING OUT OF THERE WITH 40 VACANCIES. THAT LEAVES US WITH ABOUT 17. AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL START TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR ANOTHER RECRUIT SCHOOL THAT WE HOPE TO START AT THE END OF JANUARY. AND BASED ON THE NUMBER OF RETIREMENTS, TYPICALLY ALL OF OUR RETIREMENTS COME AUGUST 1ST.
SO WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF HOW MANY WE NEED TO HIRE, ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT 25 TO 30.
OKAY. AND THAT WAS MY NEXT CLASS. IS HOW MANY RECRUIT CLASSES ARE YOU PLANNING WITHIN THIS NEXT YEAR? AND DO YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE OF WHAT YOU EXPECT TO HAVE IN EACH? SO YEAH, IT'LL BE JUST THE ONE CLASS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE PLANNING THAT TO START AT THE END OF JANUARY 20TH 5 TO 30 RECRUITS IN THERE. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PARKER. YES.
THANK YOU. GLAD TO SEE YOU, DIRECTOR. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DEFLECTION PROGRAM. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY FUNDED WITH OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS. AND WE WENT FROM 84,300 LAST YEAR, UP TO 3 MILLION, OVER 3 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET, OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS. SO WHY IS THERE SO MUCH OF AN INCREASE? WHY ARE WE NOT USING MORE OF THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS? BECAUSE THERE'S FUNDS STILL LEFT OVER. COUNCILWOMAN, I BELIEVE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
I'M SORRY. IT'S NO PROBLEM. I MEAN, I'M SURE THE CHIEF IS. HE'S WELCOME TO TAKE A STAB AT IT. YEAH, I'M JUST GUESSING THAT THE ANSWER YOU GET MAY NOT BE THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE ENCOURAGING MORE FUNDS TO COME TO US. ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT MANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY, YES. SO YOUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, HAVE WE? BUDGETED WHAT HAVE WE BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS. AND DO YOU HAVE A HIERARCHY OF NEEDS. ABSOLUTELY. SO IN IF YOU LOOK IN THE CAPITAL THERE IS $800,000 THAT'S BEEN BUDGETED. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGED LAST YEAR. IT USED TO BE IN THE OPERATING EVERY YEAR THEY MOVED IT TO CAPITAL BECAUSE SOMETIMES PROJECTS GO BEYOND THE FISCAL YEAR. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER $800,000. BUT IN ADDITION, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS, WHEN WE HAD THAT MID-YEAR SURPLUS,
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THIS COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE MAYOR GAVE US AN ADDITIONAL 1.1 MILLION. MUCH OF THAT HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO SEVERAL PROJECTS AT OUR FIRE STATIONS. THE BIGGEST ONE WE JUST WRAPPED UP CONSTRUCTION ON ENGINE 17, WHICH IS OVER AT 18TH, AND GARLAND, BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR. WE DID A CONCRETE WORK ON QUINT SEVEN, WHICH IS OVER IN THE HIGHLANDS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE GOING TO BE STARTING A MAJOR REHABILITATION OVER AT ENGINE 20, ALSO IN THE HIGHLANDS ON BARDSTOWN ROAD. THE TOTAL COST ON THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 1.2 1.3 MILLION.SO WE'RE USING SOME OF THOSE DEFERRED SOME OF THAT FROM THE SURPLUS AS WELL AS SOME FROM THIS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THIS NEXT YEAR. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER, IT'S A DAUNTING NUMBER OF NEARLY $30 MILLION IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. IF WE WERE GRANTED THAT TODAY, WE COULDN'T DO ALL THAT WORK. SO WE'RE DOING A WE'VE GOT SOME INCREDIBLE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING UP ON TOP OF THE BEST NEEDS AND KEEPING US UP AND RUNNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW. THIS IS EMERGENCY SERVICES ALSO. BUT THE CHAPTER 75 CHIEF FIREFIGHTERS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WORKED OUT IN HOUSE BILL 388 IN FRANKFORT. IS THAT YOUR BILL? IS THAT IN YOUR AREA? THERE'S ONLY A SMALL PART OF 388 THAT AFFECTED US THAT DEALT WITH THE URBAN SERVICE, DISTRICT TAXES. BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT WITH THE CHAPTER 75 WAS WITH THE AMBULANCE AND THE BILLING, AND THAT DOESN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT US. SO LIKE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF A, SAY, A PRP AMBULANCE GOES INTO THE CITY, THE OLD CITY, THE SERVICE DISTRICT, THEY THE SERVICE DISTRICT NEEDS TO PAY PAY THAT PRP AMBULANCE IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. AND IS THAT BEING DONE? DO YOU KNOW WHO WOULD KNOW? HI. ANGELA DUNN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET THAT IS NOT RELATED TO FIRES BUDGET. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EMA OR AN EMS SPECIFIC ISSUE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE WE HAVE NOT STARTED RECEIVING INVOICING FROM THOSE DISTRICTS. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO PAY THEM FOR THE RUNS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW THE PROCESS SHOULD WORK IN ORDER FOR US TO REIMBURSE THOSE SUBURBAN DISTRICTS FOR RUNS THAT THEY MAKE INTO THE USD, THEY'LL HAVE TO INVOICE US WITH A LIST OF THOSE RUNS SO THAT WE CAN RECONCILE AND THEN UNDERSTAND FROM THAT HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY OWE THEM. SO THAT HASN'T COMPLETELY GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND YET FOR THAT SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, FOR PRP SPECIFICALLY, I COULDN'T SPEAK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE GOTTEN ANYTHING FROM THEM YET OR NOT, BUT THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS SHOULD WORK ONCE IT'S UP AND RUNNING. WELL, IT'S JULY 1ST. RING A BELL WITH YOU AT ALL, BECAUSE THAT'S THE DAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY THEM FOR. FOR THIS WORK RENDERED. WE CAN'T PAY WHAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOICED. I'M SORRY. WE CAN'T PAY WHAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOICED. OH, THEY'RE TELLING A DIFFERENT STORY. SO SOMEWHERE THIS MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR MYMAN. HE IS MORE INVOLVED WITH THEM OPERATIONALL, AND COULD PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS A LITTLE MORE DIRECTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. JUST WANTED TO ONE, TALK ABOUT THE STARTING PAY FOR YOUR NEW RECRUITS AND THEN TWO, IF THE PAY IS UP TO PAR. I KNOW BEFORE THERE WAS CONTRACT ISSUES AND HAVE YOU ALL WORKED THOSE OUT? AND IS YOUR PAY COMMENSURATE WITH SOME OF THE SURROUNDING LOCATIONS IN THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENTS? YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES. THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH BETWEEN THE LOCAL AND THE CITY WAS SETTLED. IT WAS ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND YES, THEIR PAY IS DEFINITELY EXCELLENT RIGHT NOW, STARTING PAY FOR A NEW RECRUIT THAT WILL BE IN THIS NEXT CLASS WILL BE RIGHT AROUND 62,000 A YEAR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BEAUCHAMP. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CREW AND FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU. I'M JUST ONE QUESTION HERE. COULD BE TWO. I'VE NOTICED THAT IN MISCELLANEOUS MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, WE WENT FROM FY 25 AT 134 EIGHT TO REQUESTED 192. ARMS INCREASED BY 57. TWO IS IT WAS SUCH AN INCREASE THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THOSE MOBILE DATA TERMINALS FOR THE ARSON. THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING OUT OF. SO THAT'S TEN OF THOSE COMPUTERS TO GO IN THE ARSON VEHICLES. OKAY.
AND THEN, MR. CHAIR, IF IT'S OKAY, CAN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IN FIRST AID AND CPR SUPPLIES WENT FROM 7100 TO $150,000. REQUEST. IT'S $142,000 INCREASE. CAN YOU CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? AND WILL THAT PRACTICE CONTINUE TO INCREASE THAT WAY? SO THAT IS A CODING
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ISSUE WITH THE CHANGE TO WORKDAY. AND ACTUALLY CAN YOU MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT BETTER? THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BASICALLY LUMPED TOGETHER. SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A CHANGE. IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CODED BETTER, AND THEY FOUND A SINGLE CODE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO LUMP TOGETHER A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH.COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. HI. I'M GOING TO OFFEND OUR BUDGET CHAIR HERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY, SINCE YOU HAD APPROACHED ME, CHIEF, ABOUT YOUR ORG CHART IN ADVANCE OF THIS, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UNTIL I GOT THE PACKET, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING IT, BUT IT IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL. AND I LOVE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO DO IT. AND IT GIVES A REALLY GOOD OVERVIEW OF HOW OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS STRUCTURED. AND YOU EVEN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND INCLUDING PHOTOS OF THE TOP PLAYERS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT'S REALLY, REALLY USEFUL TO METRO COUNCIL. AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY SOMETIMES ROLL THEIR EYES. WHY IS SHE GIVING GRADES FOR THESE, BY THE WAY? YOU GET AN A PLUS. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO KIND OF HAVE A VISUALIZATION OF HOW HOW LOUISVILLE METRO IS STRUCTURED, BUT ALSO WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH FROM DAY TO DAY. SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY, REALLY THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS THOROUGH AND REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND ALL THE CREDIT GOES TO LIEUTENANT COLONEL COOPER AND MORE SO EVEN TO KAREN, WHO WORKS IN OUR FRONT OFFICE THAT HANDLED MOST OF THIS WORK. WELL, THANK YOU TO BOTH OF THEM AS WELL. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU.
CHAIR, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR COMING IN LATE. WE WERE COMING FROM THE WEST BUDGET MEETING WITH THE MAYOR. AND SO I WANT TO ASK FIRST TO THE CHAIR. HAS THE HAVE WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE PROGRAMS LIKE ARSON? AND DID YOU OPEN WITH THAT QUESTION? IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY WALKED IN JUST AS THE FIRST QUESTION. OKAY, GREAT. I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE ANYONE'S TIME. THANK YOU. SO IN THE PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOUR OFFICE, THERE WAS A WE ASK THAT YOU LIST THE ADMINISTERED PROGRAMS SUCH AS ARSON, FINANCE, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE FACILITY, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, SAFETY AND TRAINING, ETC. THE PACKET DID NOT LIST A BREAKDOWN OF THE FUNDING AMOUNTS, EMPLOYEES PROGRAM, THE RECENT OUTCOMES AND ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT I THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THOSE EXPENSES WERE COVERED. 100% OF USD TAXES. SO FIRES BUDGET IS 100% COVERED BY US. SO ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROGRAMS ARE ALSO SUCH AS ARSON ARE IN ARSON IS A COUNTY WIDE PROGRAM. SO WE COULD GET MORE OF A BREAKDOWN TO YOU.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF LOUISVILLE FIRE. SO I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED THAT IF THERE ARE SOME COUNTYWIDE AND THERE ARE SOME COUNTYWIDE SERVICES, THOSE WOULD BE EXCLUDED. OKAY. BUT BUT THE FUNDING FOR THEM WAS THAT USD OR NOT? IF IT'S A COUNTY WIDE SERVICE IT'S NOT FUNDED BY THE USD. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, I THINK YOU ASKED ABOUT CAPITAL AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH. WHEN WE BUILD NEW FIRE STATIONS AND WHEN WE BUY NEW FIRE EQUIPMENT. THIS DOES IS THERE ENOUGH TAX REVENUE COMING IN FROM THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT TO COVER THE DEBT THAT WE'RE TAKING ON FOR BUILDING NEW FIRE STATIONS? IS THERE ENOUGH FROM USD TO COVER THE COST, THE CAPITAL COST OF THE EQUIPMENT WE'RE BUYING? THOSE TRUCKS ARE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. SO YES, THIS WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE IN THE REVENUE. WHEN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE USD STARTING WITH FY 26, THERE WILL BE THE DEBT SERVICE ALLOTMENT ASSOCIATED WITH ANY CAPITAL PURCHASES ASSOCIATED WITH FIRE WILL BE ALLOCATED TO THAT USD CALCULATION STARTING WITH FY 26. YES. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACKWARDS TO SEE HOW MUCH DEBT METRO LOUISVILLE HAS TAKEN ON IN ORDER TO COVER THE EXPENSES OF THE USD FIRE PROTECTION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CAPITAL BEING INCLUDED IN THAT WAS A CHANGE WITH HOUSE BILL 388. SO PRIOR TO THAT, CAPITAL WAS NOT REQUIRED TO BE PART OF THAT. RIGHT. I'M JUST WANT TO AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE KEEPING CLEAR A MISPERCEPTION THAT SOME FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, IT IS IT IS A MISPERCEPTION TO THINK THAT MONEY HAS BEEN MOVING FROM THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT OUT, WHEN IN FACT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT WAS NOT UP UNTIL FY 26, REQUIRED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CAPITAL FUNDS WERE COMING FROM THE ENTIRE METRO GOVERNMENT, AND NOT JUST FROM THE SUBURB OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. CORRECT CAPITAL WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION. RIGHT. AND THERE WILL BE ONGOING, OF COURSE, QUESTION ANY DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE'RE GOING TO
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PAY WITH ONE BOND ISSUANCE BECAUSE IT'S MORE COMICAL TO DO THAT. BUT ANY OF THAT DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS WOULD THEN BE ALLOCATED TO THE USD FOR FIRE. AND WE WILL BE, OF COURSE, HAVING TO WATCH FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS TO SEE HOW THAT ALL BALANCES OUT. I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT IT WAS IN THE PAST. WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING GOING FORWARD. WE AREN'T SURE EXACTLY YET WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO IT'S AN ESTIMATE IN THE BUDGET. WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL BUDGET CYCLES. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PARKER. THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THE UOFL EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TRAINING. I THINK THAT WAS NEW. AND QUESTION, WHAT IS IT AND WILL IT BE AN EXPENDITURE GOING FORWARD EVERY YEAR? SO SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THAT IS, IS WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB IN MID-LEVEL MANAGEMENT TRAINING.SO WE GOT TOGETHER WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE TO CREATE THAT PROGRAM FOR US. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY ABOUT A 5 TO 6 MONTH PROGRAM WHERE OUR MEMBERS ARE BASED, OUR COMPANY COMMANDERS THAT ARE PROGRESSING FORWARD WILL BE ATTENDING THEIR AT LEAST ONE DAY A WEEK, BUT THEY'LL HAVE A LOT OF WORK IN BETWEEN, A LOT OF HOMEWORK, A LOT OF GROUP PROJECTS, ETC. AND WE HOPE THAT IT CAN CONTINUE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE CLASSROOM STUDY OR LIKE. SO ONE DAY A MONTH IT WILL BE CLASSROOM STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY, AND THE REST OF THE TIME WILL BE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT WILL BE WORKING ON IN BETWEEN THAT. IT'S A IT'S AN AMAZING PROGRAM. IT ACTUALLY WAS BORN OUT OF. THERE'S A SIMILAR PROGRAM ALREADY IN EXISTENCE FOR LMPD. SO WE WERE KIND OF MIRRORING THAT TO JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU GUYS ANSWERED I KNOW THIS WAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. ARE YOU ANSWERED IT, BUT YOU ALL ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS REALLY WELL. SO YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MANY QUESTIONS. AND ONCE AGAIN, KUDOS FOR YOUR INTERNATIONAL ACCREDITATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. PLEASE CALL THE RECORD. REFLECT THAT. WE WERE JOINED BY COUNCILMAN JOSEPH A LITTLE BIT AGO. I FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AT THIS POINT, I DO WANT TO GIVE COUNCILMAN JOSEPH THE FLOOR FOR HIS QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. TWO QUESTIONS. MY FIRST ONE IS HOW HOW FAR OR IS THIS WITH THE FIRE? HOW FAR ARE WE FROM BEING FULLY STAFFED? OR DO YOU FEEL THAT OUR NUMBER WISE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 40 VACANCIES. SO WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO BEING FULLY STAFFED. AND WE HAVE 23 RECRUITS THAT ARE IN THE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW THAT WILL GRADUATE THIS FALL. SO WE'LL BE SHORT 17 PEOPLE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME SOMETIME, USUALLY ABOUT THE 1ST OF AUGUST, WE'LL LOSE PROBABLY ANOTHER 15 OR 20 OR SO, AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER RECRUIT CLASS THAT STARTS IN JANUARY. AND HISTORICALLY THAT'S BEEN ABOUT AVERAGE. WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY A LOT BETTER NOW THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE GO AHEAD FROM FROM THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION TO HIRE A RECRUIT CLASS EVERY YEAR. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND IT'S KEEPING US REALLY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER. AND WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE TO THAT BEING WHERE YOU'RE IN A BETTER SPOT NOW? I REALLY ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE COMMITMENT FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HIRING AN ACADEMY EVERY YEAR. OKAY. AND ANOTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK IS THE FLEET, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FLEET, WHEN DOES A VEHICLE GO OBSOLETE, OR DO YOU ALL TRY TO GET IT OFF THE ROADS.
SO WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE OFF THE ROADS. IF YOU LOOK AT NFPA AND OSHA STANDARDS, THEY SAY THAT NOTHING FRONTLINE SHOULD BE OLDER THAN 15 YEARS OLD. AND THE FACT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE MUCH OLDER THAN THAT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE ENGINES AND A TRUCK THAT ARE ON ORDER. BUT UNDERSTAND THIS IS A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM. IF I ORDER AN APPARATUS TODAY, IT WILL BE THREE OR MORE YEARS UNTIL WE GET IT. SO IT IS AN EXTREMELY LONG LAG TIME. AND THAT'S TRUE ACROSS THE INDUSTRY. WHATEVER. NO MATTER WHICH GROUP I TRY TO BUY IT FROM, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT AS BEST WE CAN AND TRYING TO GET TO A POINT. ULTIMATELY, IF WE CAN NARROW DOWN THAT WINDOW A LITTLE BIT AND WE HAVE 32 FRONTLINE APPARATUS, SO IF WE COULD PURCHASE, GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN PURCHASE TWO A YEAR INTO PERPETUITY, THEN NOTHING WOULD BE OLDER THAN 16 YEARS. BE PERFECT. BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE. WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND MANY THANKS TO THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE THAT MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT THIS LAST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THREE ADDITIONAL APPARATUS. AND THAT'S REALLY PUTTING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS MY IGNORANCE ON THIS. IS IT, I GUESS LESS OF A MILEAGE, MORE OF AN AGE THING WITH WITH THE FIRE VEHICLE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OLDEST APPARATUS, ENGINE 18 BY UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE, ENGINE FOUR, THAT'S OVER IN CRESCENT HILL. THOSE ARE OUR TWO OLDEST APPARATUS. OUR HIGHEST MILEAGE APPARATUS IS IN THE BEECHMONT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YET THE ONE THAT IS UTILIZED THE MOST IS DOWN AT FLOYD AND JEFFERSON. THAT'S ENGINE FIVE. IT MAKES NEARLY 5000 RESPONSES A YEAR. AND THAT THE ONE THAT'S THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED THE SOONEST. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE DOING FOR US. THANKS, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL.
THIS ONE I'M MAYBE PUTTING MORE OUT INTO THE ETHER, AND IT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR EMS,
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BUT. LOOKING AT DRONE PROGRAMS, LMPD HAS A PRETTY ROBUST ONE. IT LOOKS LIKE EMS IS ALSO ADDING A PRETTY ROBUST PROGRAM. YOU ALL RELY ON DRONES, AND IT SEEMS LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT THERE'S DIFFERENT DRONES FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOURS FIGHT FIRES.THERE'S, YOU KNOW, EMS DON'T TREAT WOUNDS. AND SO WE HAVE SIMILAR DRONES THAT ARE OUT THERE IN LOUISVILLE METRO. AND SO IS IT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS AND COST EFFECTIVE FOR US TO COMBINE OUR DRONE PROGRAM FOR LMPD FIRE AND EMS UNDER ONE PROGRAM? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO TRAINING AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO THERE IS A LOT OF CROSS-TRAINING GOING ON. BUT WE WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE TYPES OF SO WE HAVE A ROBUST DRONE PROGRAM AS WELL. AND THE ONES THAT WE UTILIZE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE. AND ON LARGE INCIDENTS THAT WE CAN GET A DRONE ABOVE A FIRE SCENE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE CAN USE INFRARED CAMERAS TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE IF THERE'S HIDDEN SPOTS OF FIRE THAT WE MAYBE CAN'T SEE FROM THE GROUND. IF YOU THINK SEARCH AND RESCUE, IF WE HAVE A JUMPER IN THE RIVER WITH THAT INFRARED, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HEAT SENSITIVE. SO YOU CAN PICK UP THAT BODY A LOT QUICKER AND GET TO THAT AND RESCUE THAT VICTIM. POLICE. THEY HAVE DRONES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC TO SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO, AND IT'S ACTUALLYMS, EMA, YOU KNOW, SLIGHT DIFFERENCE. BUT SO YEAH, IT'S MORE FOR THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONSES. NOW, THE NEW PROGRAM WE'RE WORKING ON, ALL OF US TOGETHER, IS CALLED DRONE FIRST RESPONSE. AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT THESE WILL BE LAUNCHED AUTOMATICALLY. CURRENTLY FAA REGULATIONS STATE THAT IF I AM FLYING A DRONE, I HAVE TO HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THAT DRONE AT ALL TIMES. SO I HAVE TO BE THERE PHYSICALLY SEEING THAT DRONE.E ARE GETTING THE PERMISSION TO ALLOW THAT DRONE TO LAUNCH, LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER, FROM A ROOFTOP OF A FIREHOUSE, AND THAT WILL COME AND THAT WILL HAPPEN AS SOON AS AN INCIDENT IS CALLED IN. THIS WILL BE THE COORDINATION OF ALL, WHETHER IT'S POLICE, WHETHER IT'S FIRE, WHETHER IT'S EMS, A SIMPLE ONE.
THINK ABOUT AN ACCIDENT ON THE INTERSTATE. SOMEBODY CALLS IT IN, THEY THINK THEY KNOW ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE. WE GET A DRONE FLYING THERE AS SOON AS THAT CALL COMES IN. AND AS THE RESPONDERS ARE HEADING THAT DIRECTION, THAT DRONE CAN THEN GET A GOOD IMAGE AND SAY, OH, IT'S EXACTLY HERE. IT'S NOT NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND. YOUR BEST ACCESS IS GOING TO BE FROM HERE. AND THOSE WILL BE PILOTED BY A PERSON THAT IS LOCATED IN JUST OVER HERE IN METROSAFE.
THAT IS PART OF EMA. AND CERTAINLY DIRECTOR MIMI CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT. BUT I CAN JUST SAY THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE ABILITY TO USE THAT DRONE FIRST RESPONDER, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT DRONE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE THAT ALLOWS THOSE DRONES TO TAKE OFF IMMEDIATELY AND BE PILOTED BY SOMEBODY IN A REMOTE LOCATION WILL BE A GAME CHANGER FOR US FOR ALL THREE SERVICES. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GREAT RESPONSE TO THAT. AND I THINK THAT MR. MYMAN IS TEED UP NOW. YEAH. MY SECOND QUESTION IS ABOUT RESPONSE AFTER DISASTERS, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO DOWNED TREES. AND SO A COUPLE WEEKS AGO IT WAS MAY 17TH. IT WAS THE DAY OF OUR BIG EVENT. AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, KIDS COULD COME AND TOUCH A TRUCK. BUT THE TRUCK WAS A LITTLE LATE, UNDERSTANDABLY, BECAUSE OF THE STORMS THE PREVIOUS EVENING. AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS HELPING REMOVE FALLEN TREES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO. AND SO I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH OF YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES ARE DEDICATED TOWARDS MANAGING ANY TREES, I GUESS, AS THEY AS THEY FALLEN. BUT ALSO, I IMAGINE THAT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TEND TO TREES IN YOUR LINE OF WORK, DEPENDING ON THE EMERGENCY SITUATION. AND SO CAN YOU KIND OF TALK ABOUT TREE WORK AND MAYBE HOW THAT RELATES TO YOUR BUDGET? LIKE DO YOU ALL HAVE CHAINSAWS? DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE CERTIFIED? I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT ALL FITS IN. SO EVERY APPARATUS THAT WE HAVE HAS A CHAINSAW ON IT. THOSE ARE NOT MEANT FOR TREES. IF YOU WE GET A LITTLE NERDY ON CHAINSAWS, THE SOFTER YOU KNOW, WOOD OF A OF A FALLEN TREE WILL ACTUALLY TEAR UP A CHAINSAW A LITTLE QUICKER THAN WHAT WE USE THEM FOR. WE USE THEM FOR ACCESSING HOUSES AND FOR MAKING HOLES ON ROOFS TO VENTILATE FIRES. WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE. FALLEN TREES. YES. PUBLIC WORKS, URBAN FORESTRY, THEY HANDLE THAT. HOWEVER, CERTAINLY IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, LIKE A GREAT STORM THAT COMES THROUGH AND IF WE ARE ABLE TO IF WE'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF RESPONDING TO SOMETHING ELSE, AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO HELP CLEAR A ROAD, WE'LL DO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT FALLS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE. AND CERTAINLY IF THAT TREE IS BLOCKING OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE COMMUNITY, IMAGINE YOU'RE ON A DEAD END STREET AND THERE'S A TREE IN THE WAY WE WANT THAT OUT OF THERE. SO IF THERE'S A FIRE OR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY THAT OUR PEOPLE CAN GET IN THERE, AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY. IF WE ARE ABLE TO AND WE'RE NOT OTHERWISE, YOU
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KNOW, OCCUPIED WILL CERTAINLY HELP OUT WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO TRY TO CLEAR THAT AREA. BUT IT'S NOT A BIG PT OF YOUR IMPACT ON UR REALLY. IT'S RARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. IS GOG TO TAKE BIG STORMS LIKE THAT.ND REALLY IT, WE'LETROUNECSEAN G AROUND QUICKLY,E WILL. OKAY.ETHINGF WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. I'M MORE EDUCATED ON CHAINSAWS AND DRONES. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNDON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. SIR, I'M OVER HERE. OVER HERE ON THE DRONE ISSUE THE OTHER DAY, WE IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRONES. AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE STARTING WITH SIX TO EXPAND TO 20. IS THAT CORRECT? THE FULL COVERAGE WAS 28 AND THEN TO 20 TO 20. AND IT WAS OVER A SIX YEAR PERIOD. IS THAT'S CORRECT? YES. AND MY EXPERT. AND THEY'RE STARTING CENTRALLY AND THEN FULL. THE INITIAL EIGHT ARE IN AND WITHIN THE WATTERSON. WELL THEY'RE WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. THEY OVERLAP OKAY. AND THEN I'M SORRY, COULD YOU. YEAH. I NEED YOU TO STEP TO THE MICROPHONE. I APOLOGIZE. THERE ARE FOLKS WATCHING. SORRY. SORRY. AND THEY CAN'T CATCH THAT. SO IF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY YOUR POSITION, YOUR NAME AND POSITION, PLEASE. MAJOR KYLE WITH LOUISVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YES, SIR. SO THE INITIAL EIGHT ARE WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT, BUT SEVERAL OF THEM OVERLAP SIGNIFICANTLY INTO THE SUBURBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. LIKE CHIEF SPOKE TO EARLIER. THAT'S ALL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. AND WHERE AM I? WAS IT $50,000 PER UNIT PER YEAR? PER YEAR. CORRECT? YES. SO EXPANDING TO 20 WOULD BE $1 MILLION A YEAR. CORRECT. WOULD THAT MONEY BE IS IT NEW MONEY OR CAN YOU FIND THAT WITHIN THE THREE DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE USING IT. IS THAT I'M JUST THAT'S ALL UNDER BUDGET. SO I'LL HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO EMA. OKAY, I JUST ASKING. IT WAS A SIX YEAR ROLLOUT FROM 8 TO 20. YES. IS THAT AND I WAS ABOUT TO ASK THAT WHEN WE RAN OUT OF TIME. THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME TO GO FROM 8 TO 20. IT'S NOT 8 TO 100.IT'S LIKE 8 TO 20. I MEAN, JUST IS THAT IS THAT UNUSUALLY LONG TO ROLL OUT THAT THAT SMALL A MARGIN? OUR PLAN IS EIGHT THE FIRST YEAR FOR ADDITIONAL, THE SECOND YEAR FOR A TOTAL OF 12, AND THEN ANOTHER EIGHT IN YEAR SIX FOR A TOTAL OF 20, WHICH WOULD COVER PRETTY MUCH ALL THE LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT AREA. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE IN MODERATION AND PROVING THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH IT AS WE ROLL IT OUT, SURE. BUT AT WHAT POINT DO YOU THINK WITH I'M SORRY WITH THE ORIGINAL EIGHT, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO DETERMINE? ABSOLUTELY. YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO EXPAND IT FULLY OR, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SOON I THINK WE'LL KNOW WITHIN ABOUT 6 OR 8 MONTHS, I FIGURED. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME TO GET TO FULL JEFFERSON COUNTY COVERAGE. I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHORTEN THAT PERIOD. OBVIOUSLY IT'S MONEY AND PERSONNEL MONEY. JUST ASK ANY PERSONNEL. THAT'S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT ALL THE FACTS STRAIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES BUDGET.
AND YOU HAD AS MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES ABOUT 80,500, NOT ABOUT, BUT EXACTLY 80,500. YOU REVISED IT IN 25 TO TAKE IT UP TO 134. BUT IN THE IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, IT'S RECOMMENDED AT 192,000. WHEN WE SEE THOSE KINDS OF INCREASES IN MISCELLANEOUS, WE'RE CURIOUS WHAT WASN'T MISCELLANEOUS BEFORE THAT IS MISCELLANEOUS NOW, OR ARE ARE HAVE YOU ADDED THINGS? I SUSPECT THAT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU HAD IN A LINE ITEM BEFORE YOU'VE MOVED INTO MISCELLANEOUS. WE'RE CURIOUS WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MDT'S THOSE MOBILE DATA TERMINALS FOR ARSON. IT'S ALSO SEVERAL SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, THE ONE THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER, DARK HORSE, THAT ALLOWS US TO COLLECT DATA AND USE PREDICTIVE DATA FOR STATION LOCATIONS. THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT COST AS WELL. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE ROLLED IN. THANK YOU.
THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC TO YOUR DEPARTMENT CHIEF, BUT I KNOW WORKDAY HAS BEEN CHALLENGING FOR SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS. I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT'S PLAYING OUT FOR YOU GUYS. I CAN ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST GIVE YOU A BROAD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WORKDAY AND YOUR EXPERIENCE. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF GROWING PAINS WITH IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NEW SOFTWARE. AND ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAD ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER SOFTWARE, YOU KNOW, MAJOR SOFTWARE CHANGES OVER THE PAST MAYBE SIX YEARS PRIOR. SO IT WAS A SHIFT TO SOMETHING NEW, A SHIFT TO SOMETHING NEW, SHIFT TO SOMETHINGING PAINS. IT'S ESPECIY WE ARE THE ODD CHILD, YOU KNOW, WE ARE. OUR TYPICAL SCHEDULE FOR A FIREFIGHTER IS 24 ON, 48 OFF, WHICH MOST DATA AND MOST SOFTWARE IS NOT BUILT TO DEAL WITH THAT. IT'S NOT BUILT TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT WORK EVERY WEEKEND, EVERY HOLIDAY, ETC. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PATCHES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WE'RE USED TO. WE IMPROVISE AND ADAPT. YOU GO TO THE LINE FIREFIGHTERS AND YOU ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, THE TWO THINGS THEY HATE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THEY HATE THE WAY THINGS ARE AND THEY HATE CHANGE. SO WE ARE BUT WE'RE WE'RE ADAPTING TO IT. YEAH. OKAY.
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THANK YOU. AND WE'RE KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND THE EDGES OF WHERE MY WHERE MY REAL QUESTION IS. AND THAT IS WE'VE SEEN THAT THOSE ADAPTATIONS WE'VE SEEN YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW IT WAS REPORTED THEN WORKDAY AND IT WAS REPORTED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR'S REPORTED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET DATA THAT IS CONSISTENTLY USABLE? SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COMPARE THIS YEAR'S TO A NUMBER THAT DOESN'T EXIST FROM LAST YEAR OR WORSE. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO LOOK BACK 3 OR 4 YEARS THAT ACTUALLY. SURE. ARE YOU REFERRING TO FINANCIAL DATA? YOU KNOW, WORKDAY ALSO HAS PERSONNEL DATA AND FINANCIAL DATA, FINANCIAL DATA WHERE WE CAN COMPARE ONE LINE ITEM TO AND SEE THIS IS WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE, MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES. WE SPENT THIS MUCH ON MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES THE NEXT YEAR. IT'S SOMETHING ELSE PART OF THAT'S WORKDAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION ON THIS LENDING EXPENSES. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT ALL WORKDAY, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE. SURE, IN SOME DEPARTMENTS IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE FIGURED THAT OUT IN FIRE. AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE RESOLVED ITSELF AS COMPLETELY AND JUST CURIOUS WHEN WE MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE THAT. WELL, AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH ANY NEW SYSTEM, WE'RE IN ABOUT YEAR THREE. WITH THIS SYSTEM, THERE IS A PERIOD OF STABILIZATION. AND, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK AS WE LEARN HOW TO USE THE COST CENTERS MORE EFFECTIVELY OR DISCOVER WHERE MAYBE EXPENDITURES ARE HITTING IN ONE LINE ITEM, THAT THEY'RE BETTER REFLECTED IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM, THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CLEANUP THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.SO WE UNDERSTAND IT. IT IT DOES SORT OF PROVIDE SOME CHALLENGES WHEN YOU WANT TO COMPARE YEAR TO YEAR AND LINE TO LINE. THE GOAL ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, IS WE WANT TO HAVE EXPENDITURES RECORDED IN THE APPROPRIATE COST CENTER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND SO THAT DOES REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CONTINUED LEARNING CURVE. THERE'S A CONTINUED, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE BEST WAY TO UTILIZE ALL THAT THE SYSTEM HAS TO OFFER. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THREE YEARS IN, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WITH EACH YEAR WE'RE GETTING SUCCESSIVELY BETTER. SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT THAT WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE STABILIZATION. OKAY. AT THE VERY END, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ANSWER I'M LOOKING FOR. SO WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE NEARLY THERE. WE'RE NEARLY HAVING IT CONSISTENT ENOUGH. WE CAN LOOK THAT. YES. GREAT. THANK YOU NOW. AND YOU MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO CLEANUP. HERE GOES AN EASY ONE.
RIGHT. AND EVERY YEAR, ANGELA, I TEND TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOT A SERIES 2021 FIRE FLEET REMAINING BUDGET THAT HAS $20.20. WE'VE GOT A ORDINANCE 84 SERIES 2022 FIRE FLEET THAT HAS A BALANCE OF $1. AND MY FAVORITE ONE IS ORDINANCE OH EIGHT SERIES 2023. THAT HAS $0.20. SO I'M ASSUMING THOSE WILL BE CLEANED UP AT SOME POINT. CAPITAL CONTINUES TO BE A AN ONGOING PROJECT TO CLEAN IT UP, BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE LOOKING FOR THOSE LINES. POINT THOSE THREE. YEAH.
AND THEN THE QUESTION AND THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. WELL NOT A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS MORE SERIOUS. I'M CURIOUS. ORDINANCE 109 SERIES 2018 EMS FIRE FLEET. THERE WAS A BUDGET OF 90 $95,000, ZERO ENCUMBRANCES AND ZERO ACTUALS YEAR TO DATE ARE LIMITED WITH THE REMAINING BUDGET OF $95,000. THIS WAS DONE WITH A METRO GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND IN 2019. WE'RE SEVEN YEARS OUT. IS THERE A REASON THAT THAT MONEY IS SITTING AROUND FROM 2019? I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. I DON'T I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE OFF. OKAY. AGAIN, IT'S THE PROJECT ID IS A BUNCH OF OHS. AND THEN FOR 25. SO IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC. BUT SURE. YEAH. IF WE CAN JUST FIGURE OUT WHY THAT'S HANGING UP AND IT MAY ALREADY HAVE BEEN I KNOW IN SOMETIMES WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED AND IT'S BEEN ENCUMBERED BUT NOT RECORDED. BUT IF WE COULD FIND OUT WHERE THAT IS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE. WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THE QUEUE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. I'M CHECKING QUICKLY TO SEE THOSE WERE THE. THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS I HAD. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS ONE MORE. NOPE. THAT WAS ALL I HAD. SO UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE IN THE COMMITTEE HAS A QUESTION, WE'RE GOING TO FINISH A LITTLE EARLY WITH YOU. CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL POINTED OUT, QUITE CORRECTLY, THAT YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS SO COMPLETELY THAT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED. SO THIS SESSION WILL BE ADJOURNED AND WE WILL PICK UP WITH EMA IN THE NEXT. WELL, WE'RE 15 MINUTES EARLY. EMA IS ALWAYS FOR THEM.
15 MINUTES EARLY IS ON TIME, SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THE ROOM. SO WE'LL BE STARTING WITH EMA ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. THANKS.
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COUNCILMAN KEVIN KRAMER, CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. WITH ME TODAY VIRTUALLY IS MY VICE CHAIR, MARKUS WINKLER, ALSO JOINING US VIRTUALLY. OUR COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND COUNCILMAN OWEN IN CHAMBERS, OUR COUNCILMAN, SAM, COUNCILMAN, COUNCILWOMAN, PARISH COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN JOSEPH. COUNCILMAN. HUDSON, COUNCILMAN BRATCHER, COUNCILWOMAN AND COUNCILWOMAN.CHAPEL. THERE WERE A FEW OTHERS WHO WERE IN EARLIER WHO WILL PROBABLY BE BACK. THEY STEPPED OUT DURING THE BREAK. AND SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET GOING. I'D. PERFORMING. OH, COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY AS WELL. AND COUNCILWOMAN PARKER HAS JUST WALKED BACK INTO THE ROOM AGAIN, EXCUSED ABSENCE FOR COUNCILMAN WEBER. I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO READ THE MEETING NOTICE BACK IN. WE DID THAT FOR THE LAST ONE. OUR SECOND HEARING TODAY IS WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES. DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN ASKED NOT TO MAKE OPENING COMMENTS. SO WE WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY WITH COUNCILMEMBER QUESTIONS CONCERNING EMERGENCY SERVICES.
PROPOSED $57.2 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET, AS WELL AS 1.5 MILLION IN FLEETS BUDGET FOR EMS VEHICLES. WELCOME, JODY MERRIMAN. HE AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS TOGETHER. ME SITTING ON THIS SIDE OF THE RAIL AND HIM SITTING ON THE OTHER. I PROMISE THEM TODAY I WOULD TAKE IT EASY ON THEM, WHICH WON'T BE HARD BECAUSE IF ANYBODY'S BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK VERY MANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU ALL ASK THEM ALL. SO ASK HIM HARD QUESTIONS THEN I DON'T HAVE TO. SO THAT SAID, LET ME START OFF BY ASKING ONE QUESTION. THE CHANGE OF THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING. EMERGENCY SERVICES IS BUDGETED 649,400 TO ADD EIGHT NEW POSITIONS TO THE 911 CALL CENTER FOR TRIAGE CALLS, AND TO REDUCE UNNECESSARY CALLS FOR PARAMEDICS. WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THIS TRIAGE GROUP TO BE FUNCTIONING AND WHAT EFFICIENCIES WILL WILL BE GAINED? AND DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE ENOUGH TO ENABLE EMS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF RUNS BY OTHER FIRE DISTRICTS INTO THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT? YES, SIR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS IF AND WHEN THE BUDGET IS APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HIT THE NEW FISCAL YEAR RUNNING WITH IT. BUT I WOULD SAY BY THE FALL, WITH US GETTING EVERYBODY IN PLACE, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT OTHER AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE DOING SIMILAR THINGS. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NON-EMERGENCY TYPE OF RESPONSES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE 911 CENTER IS OUR MENTAL HEALTH DEFLECTION PROGRAM, AND THIS WAS SOMEWHAT MIRROR THAT, WHERE WE CAN PUT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS IN THE 911 CENTER BETWEEN THE CALL TAKERS AND THE EMS DISPATCHERS TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE AND POTENTIALLY GET OTHER THOSE NON-EMERGENCY TYPE OF CALLS, OTHER HELP OTHER THAN GETTING THEM AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY AMBULANCE. IT COULD ALSO BE WHERE WE'VE GOT PARAMEDICS IN WHAT WE CALL FLAT CARS, WHERE WE CAN SEND THEM, WHERE THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BANDAGE SOMETHING OR SPLINT SOMETHING, AND THEY CAN GET TO THE HOSPITAL ON THEIR OWN. WE ALSO HAVE IN OUR BUDGET A WAY THAT WE CAN SEND TRANSPORTATION TO PEOPLE SO THAT IF THEY JUST NEED A RIDE TO A MEDICAL CENTER OR A HOSPITAL, INSTEAD OF USING AN AMBULANCE, WE CAN UTILIZE THAT AS WELL. SO WE PLAN TO HAVE THAT UP AND RUNNING BY SOMETIME IN THE FALL.
GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. I, I WANTED TO SEE AROUND THE MESSAGING AND ADVERTISING AROUND YOUR DEFLECTION, THE DEFLECTION PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UNDER YOU AND THE NINE EIGHT FOR, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE NUMBERS FOR PEOPLE TO CALL JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET MORE MARKETING. THE THING WITH 911, IT'S BEEN PUT IN US SINCE BIRTH. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS AND THINGS TO CALL. SO IS THERE ANY PLAN AROUND MARKETING THAT MORE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE? AND THEN I'LL ASK THE SECOND QUESTION. YES. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE DO HAVE MARKETING IDEALS AND PROCESS. AND THE THING THAT WE WERE WAITING ON WAS TO GO COMPLETELY COUNTYWIDE. WE STARTED SMALL. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED THIS IN 2022, WE ONLY STARTED ONE SHIFT FROM 2 TO 2 TO 10 P.M, AND WE STARTED IN ONE POLICE DIVISION AND WE'VE GROWN. WE'RE NOW JUST IN FEBRUARY, WE WENT COMPLETELY COUNTYWIDE, AND THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T GO PUBLIC WITH THAT BEFORE WAS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE IN AN AREA THAT WASN'T COVERED BY LMPD, THAT, I MEAN, WE WEREN'T GOING TO TURN ANYBODY AWAY, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT AN INFLUX OF CALLS COMING IN FROM AREAS THAT WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY COVERING THOSE AREAS. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE COUNTY, THERE IS A MARKETING CAMPAIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTED. AND CAN YOU SHARE GRAPHICS OR WHATEVER WE CAN INCLUDE IN OUR NEWSLETTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WOULD LOVE YOU GUYS TO HELP US OUT. WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER. ABSOLUTELY. AND MY SECOND QUESTION, IF I MAY, CHAIR, IS
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AROUND THE NOTICING AND DEFLECTION PLAN. OH, I HAD A MEETING ONCE WITH INTERIM CHIEF BACK THEN. NOT VILLARREAL WITH YVETTE GENTRY. AND SHE GAVE AND SHE BROUGHT A STACK OF UNSUBSTANTIATED CALLS TO THAT MEETING. I WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT SO THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE WE DO IT A LOT WITH THE CALLS THAT WE'RE GETTING. AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT THINK THAT IT IMPACTS YOUR BUDGET, BUT IF YOU HAVE STAFF AND YOU'RE SENDING PEOPLE OUT FOR SOME OF THESE CALLS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON TOGETHER. SO IS THERE A WAY TO GET THOSE UNSUBSTANTIATED CALLS? JUST A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T WE DON'T NEED ANY PERSONAL DETAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME AND VISIT, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND GET EXACTLY THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT. WE CAN GET IT FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ARCHER. MR. BEEMAN, CAN YOU. WHAT IS YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE? EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR LOUISVILLE METRO EMERGENCY SERVICES. DO YOU REPORT TO MR. DAVID JAMES AND THEN THE MAYOR? YES, SIR. AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET STRAIGHT OF THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CHAPTER 75 EMS AMBULANCE GOING INTO THE DISTRICT AND HOW THAT IS PAID BACK AND FORTH. CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME A GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. YES, SIR. SO THERE WAS A BILL PASSED IN THE LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR WHERE IF THERE'S EMS RUNS INTO THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT, THAT THOSE SUBURBAN DEPARTMENTS CAN CHARGE $300 FOR A TRANSPORT AND $150 FOR A NON TRANSPORT, WE HAVE WE HAVE GOTTEN I HAVE PERSONALLY GOTTEN A COUPLE BILLS FROM DEPARTMENTS, BUT THEY WEREN'T VERY ITEMIZED. THEY WERE VERY GENERIC. AND WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE GOING TO GET CONTRACTS WITH THESE DEPARTMENTS SO THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE WE WANT TO CROSS-REFERENCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE IN THE AREA AND, AND CROSS-REFERENCE THEM WITH THE, WITH THE NUMBER OF RUNS AND CALLS RECEIVED IN THE 911 CENTER AS WELL. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. AND. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, I'LL WAIT TILL LATER. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PARKER, YOU HAD A QUESTION EARLIER FOR EMS. YOU'RE NOT IN THE QUEUE AND I DON'T HAVE TO COME TO YOU. BUT IF YOU HAD A QUESTION. OH, I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE QUEUE, BUT. WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD USE YOUR DRONES TO CHECK AND SEE IF THE ANCILLARY. THE SUBURBAN FIRE ACTUALLY WHERE THEY SAID THEY WERE. BUT ANYWAY, MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE DEFLECTION PROGRAM. I TRIED TO ASK THIS ERRONEOUSLY THE LAST TIME FOR THE OPIOID OR IT WAS FUNDED LAST YEAR WITH OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS IN 25. AND SO YOU'RE USING GENERAL FUNDS THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S TAKING THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS, WHICH WAS $84,000 USED LAST YEAR, UP TO 3 MILLION ODD THIS YEAR. SO MY QUESTION IS THERE SUPPOSEDLY IS OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS LEFT OVER? SO WHY ARE YOU NOT USING SOME OF THAT THEN PART OF THIS. I AND AGAIN AS CFO. SO LAST YEAR WE DID UTILIZE SOME OPIOID FUNDING IN THE EMS BUDGET FOR DEFLECTION SERVICES. THIS YEAR WE YOU KNOW, THE OPIOID FUNDS ARE SETTLEMENT FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. IT'S WE GET DIFFERENT DISBURSEMENTS. SO AS THAT MONEY COMES IN, WE KEEP TRACK OF WHAT BALANCE WE HAVE, WHAT HASN'T YET BEEN APPROPRIATED, WHAT'S LEFT TO BE APPROPRIATED. THIS YEAR WE ARE USING UNSPENT OR UNAPPROPRIATED, I SHOULD SAY UNAPPROPRIATED OPIOID FUNDS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FOR HOMELESSNESS SERVICES. I THINK IT'S 3.1 IS IN THE BUDGET. IT'S NOT IN EMA'S BUDGET, BUT IT IS BEING USED ELSEWHERE. IT'S IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO THANK JODY AND HIS TEAM FOR ALWAYS THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. I HEARD A FEW THINGS THAT HE SAID IN A DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
AND JUST ALWAYS THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, YOU KNOW, THINKING TO THE NEXT LEVEL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. ALL RIGHT. HELLO. IN THE LAST MEETING, WERE YOU HERE
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WHEN I TALKED ABOUT DRONES? I WAS I WAS WAITING FOR THE FIRST ONE. ALL RIGHT, WELL, BY MY CALCULATIONS, AND THESE COULD BE COMPLETELY OFF. BUT THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. LMPD HAS EIGHT DRONES, ONE FOR EACH DIVISION, FOUR PEOPLE PER DIVISION. THAT'S MANNING THOSE DRONES. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S 32 PEOPLE WITHIN LMPD THAT ARE LICENSED TO FLY DRONES. FIRE SAID THAT THEY ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE 20 DRONES, AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE FIVE PEOPLE MANAGING THAT PROGRAM. CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW THE OVER $1 MILLION IS GOING TO BE SPENT FOR YOUR DRONE PROGRAM, AND HOW MANY LICENSED PEOPLE YOU'LL HAVE WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT? AND THEN FURTHERMORE, HOW A CONSOLIDATED DRONE PROGRAM MIGHT BE OF BENEFIT TO LOUISVILLE METRO? YES. SO OUR PROGRAM IS THE SAME THAT YOU MENTIONED. THAT'S FIRES PROGRAM. THAT'S THE 20 DRONES AND THE FIVE PEOPLE. THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING PUT IN OUR BUDGET.SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE AND THE SAME. WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN WE LOOKED ACROSS THE COUNTRY AT OTHER CITIES, AT WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND THE BENEFIT TO THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE DRONES WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
WE, YOU KNOW, BEING THE OVERALL COORDINATING AGENCY FOR DISASTERS AND RESPONSES THAT GO ON THROUGHOUT NOT ONLY JEFFERSON COUNTY, BUT WE PROVIDE THEM FOR THE STATE AS WELL. WE CAN GO TO A SCENE AND NOT. SO IF WE GO TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT SCENE, WE'RE NOT TAKING THEIR RESOURCES. IF WE GO TO A FIRE SCENE AND HELP THEM OUT WITH OUR DRONES, THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THEIR PILOTS.
THEY CAN BE USED FOR THEIR TACTICAL OPERATIONS OR WHATEVER. WE ALSO HAVE WE ALSO HAVE A DRONE FIRST RESPONSE VEHICLE AS WELL, THAT WE HAVE A THAT WE CAN PUT AT A COMMAND POST AND WE CAN VIEW WITH A 54 INCH SCREEN ON THE BACK, WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON ON THE SCENE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ROLLED OUT AT THE DAWN EXPLOSION WAS OUR NINE GAS METER, NINE SENSOR GAS METER THAT WE ALSO HAVE ON ONE OF OUR DRONES. SO WE FLEW IT OVER TOP OF THE SCENE AND WAS GETTING REAL TIME GAS MONITORING FROM NINE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TYPE OF CHEMICAL SENSORS, REAL TIME AT OUR COMMAND POST. WHAT WAS GOING ON TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING WAS LEAVING THE SITE AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT USES THEIR DRONES IN THE CAPACITY THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY USE THEM FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC INSTANCES AND TACTICAL OPERATIONS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES THE SAME. WE SUPPORT BOTH OF THOSE IF WE'RE CALLED UPON.
BUT THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE INITIALLY IS GOING TO BE AN INITIAL RESPONSE, THE SAME TIME THAT THE RESPONDERS ARE GETTING THOSE NOTIFICATIONS ON WHATEVER WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO GO, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF RESPONSES WE'RE GOING TO GO ON. THEY THAT YOU KNOW, AND IT THE BENEFIT IS THOSE DRONES ARE GOING TO FLY THE WAY THE BIRD FLIES AND GET TO THE SCENE OF AN EMERGENCY. AND THE RESPONDERS CAN SEE THOSE ON THEIR MOBILE DATA TERMINALS IN THEIR RESPONSE VEHICLES. THEY CAN SEE THE FEED FROM THAT AND SEE ACTUALLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. SO ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A FIRE TYPE OF INCIDENT, THEY COULD SEE A LIVE WIRE THAT'S DOWN IN THE FRONT YARD. THEY COULD SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY GET DISPATCHED ON ONE HOUSE ON FIRE. THEY COULD SEE THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THREE HOUSES ON FIRE. AND THEY KNOW IN THEIR MIND THEY CAN ALREADY START TO PROCESS THEIR OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES. AND THE SAME WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, EVEN EMS. YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET MULTIPLE CALLS ON A MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT ON AN EXPRESSWAY, SOMETIMES OUR VEHICLE, OUR OUR EMS, FIRE AND POLICE VEHICLES, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY CHASE, BUT THEY GO SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO ACTUALLY TRY TO GET TO THAT SCENE WHERE OUR DRONE WILL GET OVER TOP OF IT AND LET THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING ONCE THEY GET THERE. AND THAT SCENE GETS STABILIZED AND THEY'RE NOT USING THAT ANYMORE, THAT DRONE IS GOING TO GO BACK TO THE FIREHOUSE, IT'S GOING TO DOCK IN ITS STATION, AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT RESPONSE. SO IF THERE'S A FIRE IN A LOCATION, IT GOES TO THAT LOCATION. IT SHOWS THE FIRST RESPONDERS INITIALLY WHAT THEY'VE GOT EVEN BEFORE THEY GET THERE. ONCE THAT SCENE HAS STARTED, HAS BEGUN, THEY SEND IT BACK AND IT CAN BE READY FOR ANOTHER POLICE RESPONSE THAT'S DOWN THE STREET OR ANOTHER AREA OF, YOU KNOW, OF ITS RESPONSE AREA. SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, ONE IS WHERE THEY'RE RESPONDING. THE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING ON SITE AND VIEWING THESE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO TIE OUR DRONE. FIRST RESPONDER DRONES UP FOR LONG DURATION TIMES ON SCENES WHERE WE CAN DO THAT WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL DRONES, FOR OUR OWN AGENCIES, ON AVERAGE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE DAILY OR WEEKLY, BUT HOW OFTEN ARE YOU LAUNCHING THESE DRONES? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF INSTANCES WE DECIDE TO LAUNCH THEM ON. SO IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WITH A SPEAKING SPECIFIC TO FIRES, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE FOUR HOUSE FIRES IN A DAY, BUT YOU MAY GO 3 OR 4 MORE DAYS WITHOUT HAVING ONE IN THAT AREA. SO IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO BE SPORADIC FROM DAY TO DAY. THAT'S WHY AVERAGES ARE PRETTY. YEAH. AND WE CAN WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AND SEE SOME OF THOSE AVERAGES. BUT WE HAVEN'T DRILLED DOWN INTO THAT THAT FAR YET. AND THEN WITH THAT $1
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MILLION AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS DEDICATED IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING COST BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST BUYING EIGHT DRONES RIGHT NOW AND THEN YOU'RE RAMPING UP TO 20. AND SO ARE WE GOING TO EXPECT THAT NUMBER TO KIND OF RELATIVELY STAY THE SAME? AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PERSONNEL COST VERSUS DRONE ACQUIREMENT? RIGHT. ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THAT IS PERSONNEL COSTS. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ONGOING.AND THAT'S GOING TO GROW AS WEL. BECAUSE THREE QUARTERS OF IT. YES. AND THEN BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO GROW, YOU KNOW, AS WE EXPAND THE PROGRAM, IF WE EXPAND THE PROGRAM TO MORE DRONES, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE PILOTS. SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THAT, THE, THE EVEN THE PERSONNEL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO GO UP AS WELL. AND LAST QUESTION, DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DRONES, BUT BUCKLE UP BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A WILD ONE. SO DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET HEARINGS, THE MAYOR ANNOUNCED HIS LONG TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH INCLUDED $2.8 MILLION FOR A 911 COMMUNICATIONS CENTER REBUILD AND AN ADDITIONAL 1.8 MILLION FOR RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIR AND REBUILD IN FISCAL YEAR 25. CAPITAL BUDGET, $1.5 MILLION WAS GIVEN IN PROJECT NUMBER TEN FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER REBUILD, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET. IS THAT PROJECT FULLY FUNDED WITH $1.5 MILLION? BUT FURTHERMORE, ON MAY 8TH, THE MAYOR INCLUDED A FIVE YEAR MAY 8TH, 2025. THE MAYOR INCLUDED A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND THAT INCLUDED THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIR AND REBUILD FOR $20 MILLION. AND THERE WAS FIVE, AND HE WAS SUGGESTING $5 MILLION PER YEAR FOR FOUR YEARS AFTER THAT TO SUPPORT THAT IN FISCAL YEAR. AND WHILE I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT IN FRONT OF ME, REALLY, BUT IT SAYS IN PROJECT 80, THERE'S $3.75 MILLION FOR THE DATA CENTER POWER AND HVAC DESIGN. AND SO IS THAT MONEY ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT COST? AND WHY WOULD A $1.8 MILLION PROJECT BECOME A $20 MILLION PROJECT? SO, LIKE I SAID, I HOPE THAT YOU WERE BUCKLED IN FOR THAT. YOU WERE RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT. BUT I GUESS IT BOILS DOWN TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR YOUR METRO CENTER, HOW MUCH IS NEEDED TO IMPROVE IT, AND IS WHAT IS THE FINAL COST. SO TO START WITH, THE $1.5 MILLION FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, THAT'S ABOUT A WEEK AWAY FROM BEING COMPLETE. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE FOR THE COUNCIL TO COME OVER AND CHECK THAT OUT ONE EVENING OVER THE NEXT MONTH. SO IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S ABOUT A WEEK OUT WITH JUST A COUPLE ODDS AND ENDS, THINGS THAT'S GOT TO BE PUT IN THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETE WITHIN THE NEXT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. THE $20 MILLION PROJECT. SO WE ARE OVER THE ENTIRE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY, BULLITT COUNTY AND OLDHAM COUNTY AND THE JEFFERSON COUNTY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT GOING BACK ALL THE WAY TO 2006 AND 2007, THAT'S WHEN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BUILT. SO OVER TIME, WE CAN ONLY PIECEMEAL THAT TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, SO MANY TIMES WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LIGHTS THAT'S ON THE TOWERS WE HAVE WHERE WE'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REPLACING THEM, THE AIR CONDITIONERS ON THE TOWER SITES. BUT THAT ENTIRE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE REALLY REBUILT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE FUTURE AND WHAT'S GOING TO COME TO US IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S THE FIVE YEAR PROJECT THAT WE THAT WE PUT IN FOR OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. IS THE IS SPECIFIC AGAIN TO THAT RADIO PROJECT, THE HVAC SYSTEM THAT'S ACTUALLY IN ITS BUDGET. THAT IS WHERE WE HAD A MAJOR OUTAGE IN JANUARY, AND IT WAS VERY CRITICAL. AND WE HAD SOME SOME ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS IN OUR BASEMENT THAT DIDN'T OPERATE CORRECTLY. AND WE FOUND THAT THE HVAC SYSTEM FOR THE ENTIRE CITY'S IT INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY ARE ALSO 2006 2007 MODELS, AND THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED. SO THAT'S IN THE DATA CENTER ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF OUR BUILDING IS THAT PROJECT THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED ALONG WITH THE HVAC FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING. BUT THE REBUILD I'M SO SORRY. THE COMMUNICATION CENTER REBUILD DID NOT INCLUDE HVAC. WHAT WERE YOU REBUILDING? THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE DESKS THAT OR I'M SORRY, THAT WAS THE COMPUTERS THAT WENT WITH THE NEW COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM. THAT WAS THE MORE OF THE GUTS OF THE ELECTRONICS IN THE 911 CENTER. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILWOMAN RUDY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON. JODY, GLAD YOU'RE HERE. I'VE GOT A COUPLE
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QUESTIONS REGARDING RESPONSE TIMES. SO I'M LOOKING AT OUR REPORT HERE, AND IT SAYS THE STANDARD IS ANSWERING A CALL WITH THIS 15 TO 20S. AND IT SAYS LAST YEAR YOU WERE SLIGHTLY BELOW THAT DUE TO STAFFING ISSUES. BUSY TIMES OF DAY. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT SLIGHTLY BELOW MEANS AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO PREVIOUS YEARS? YES, WE HAVE TO. WE CAN. I'M SORRY, JUST TEMPORARY NOT TO CORRECT YOUR QUESTION, BUT RESPONSE TIME 15 TO 20S TO ANSWER THE PHONE OR YEAH TO ANSWER 911 CALL. YES. OKAY. SO YES. HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU TO ANSWER IT. THANK YOU.YES. SO THE STANDARD IS WE HAVE TO ANSWER 90% OF THE CALLS IN 15 SECONDS OR LESS. AND IT'S DUE TO STAFF. IT'S DUE TO STAFFING. WE WERE AT 86% THIS YEAR SO WE WERE 4% BELOW THE NATIONAL STANDARD.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WERE BELOW THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT EVENTS THAT WE'VE ALSO HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR AS WELL. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE EXPLOSION, WE RECEIVED 120 911 CALLS IN ABOUT 45 MINUTES OVER THAT. SO THAT PUSHES OUR PERCENTAGE DOWN.
WE'VE WE HAD THE ICE STORM. WE HAD WE'VE HAD TORNADOES. WE'VE HAD OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS IN THE LAST YEAR THAT ALSO DRIVES THAT PERCENTAGE DOWN. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS STAFFING SOME SOMETIMES THINGS THAT HAPPEN OUT THERE DRIVES THOSE PERCENTAGES DOWN. SO IT JUST SKEWS THE AVERAGE. THEN YEAH THIS YEAR IT WAS 86% OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND CAN YOU TELL ME HOW RESPONSE TIMES VARY ACROSS THE METRO AREA FOR RESPONSE TIMES FOR ACTUALLY GETTING AN AMBULANCE OR OUT TO A CALL. HOW DOES THAT VARY ACROSS THE METRO. SO SYSTEM WIDE OUR HIGH PRIORITY CALLS ARE EMS HIGH PRIORITY CALLS. WE'RE WE'RE ON AVERAGE LIKE I SAID THIS IS SYSTEM WIDE.
THIS IS ALL EMS AGENCIES OR SEVEN MINUTES AND 45 SECONDS. FIRE AGENCIES ARE FOUR MINUTES AND 57 SECONDS ON AVERAGE THAT THEY GET TO THEIR HIGH PRIORITY CALLS. LMPD IS FOUR MINUTES AND 21 SECONDS AND ALL OF OUR SECONDARY PSAP, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINTS.
LIKE SHIVELY AND OUR OTHER SMALLER DISPATCH CENTERS. IT'S TWO MINUTES AND 59 SECONDS. SO OUR ON SPECIFIC TO EMS NINE MINUTES IS THE IS THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND RIGHT NOW COUNTYWIDE WE'RE SEVEN MINUTES AND 45 SECONDS. THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD OKAY. SO HOW MUCH ARE THERE POCKETS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY THAT ARE HARDER TO REACH THAT DO CONSISTENTLY TAKE LONGER? EVEN IF IT'S NOT BUSY? THERE COULD BE OBVIOUSLY OUT IN THE IN THE MORE RURAL AREAS, BUT TIMES OF DAY AFFECT THAT AS WELL. SO YOU KNOW, WITH TRAFFIC, MORNING TRAFFIC IN THE AFTERNOON, I MEAN IT COULD IT COULD BE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT COULD HAPPEN. STREETS THAT ARE SHUT DOWN DUE TO SPECIAL EVENTS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN THAT CAN SLOW THOSE RESPONSE TIMES DOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BATSON. THANK YOU, MR. MISTER CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOUR CREW'S AMAZING, AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIRELESS, TIRELESS AND THANKLESS JOB THAT YOU ALL DO. AND I'M GOING TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY. ON THE BUDGET SHEET, THERE WAS A MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES. THERE WAS A 1.3 MILLION, $1.3 MILLION BUDT PROJECTED FOR FY 26, BUT ONLY 135,000 WERE SPENT THROUGH MARCH 31ST OF THIS YEAR. WHAT WAS SO MUCH REQUESTED IN THE. YES, SOME OF THAT IS DISASTER RESPONSE THAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WHEN WE HAVE A ESPECIALLY A NATURAL DISASTER IS WHEN AGENCIES ARE SPENDING MONEY. WE TRY TO RUN IT THROUGH ONE AGENCY SO IT DOESN'T. IT'S EASIER ON ON OMB TO KEEP TRACK OF. SO THAT'S A REASON FOR SOME OF THAT REASON IN NEXT YEAR'S WE'RE NOT PREDICTING NATURAL DISASTERS, BUT IT'S THERE IN CASE WE NEED IT OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION WITH FIRST AID AND CPR SUPPLIES, ONLY 700 WERE SPENT IN FY 24. ONLY 92,000 WAS SPENT IN THE NINE MONTHS OF FY 25. WHY SO MUCH BUDGETED FOR 26? WE HAD A VACANCY AND AN INJURY IN OUR CPR CENTER, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE MANY CLASSES GOING ON IN THE PAST, BUT WE EXPECT THAT TO GO BACK MOVING FORWARD. OKAY.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. ALL YOU WANT TO FINISH THE LAST ONE. YEAH.
TRYING TO TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF MY QUESTIONS. MISCELLANEOUS SUPPLIES 39,000 WAS SPENT IN FY 24. 42,000 HAVE BEEN SPENT IN FY 25. AGAIN SAME THING. WITH THAT. THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN. WE CAN. SORRY, ANGIE. DONE CFO WE CAN GET YOU A DETAIL ON THAT, BUT THAT COULD BE SOME OF THAT CLEANUP WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FROM OTHER YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE MOVING THINGS INTO MORE APPROPRIATE COST CENTERS. BUT WE CAN I'M NOT I'M SORT OF SPECULATING. SO WE CAN GET YOU AN ACTUAL BREAKDOWN OF WHY THAT CHANGED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SAM.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CREW FOR KEEPING FOLKS SAFE. WE HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST FESTIVALS IN AMERICA, BEYOND BOURBON AND
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BEYOND LOUDER THAN LIFE, RIGHT IN LINE WITH IT, 130,000 PEOPLE ARE WE COMPENSATED FOR THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE. WE ARE FOR SOME OF THAT, YES. AND WHAT WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE THEY OR HOW IS THAT COMPENSATION COMING? I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. COUNCILMAN WINKLER, YOU'RE YOU'RE ON MUTE. DO YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK TO YOU? RIGHT. COUNCILMAN, YOU WILL BE NEXT IN THE QUEUE. SO IF WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JOSEPH. HELLO.OH. NO. IF HE CAN. YES? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT CHAIR. IT WOULD NOT LET ME.
DIDN'T MATTER HOW OFTEN I HIT THE BUTTON, THE BUTTON WAS LOCKED, SO APOLOGIES ABOUT THAT.
MAY I GO AHEAD WITH MY QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
CAN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION HANDY, YOU CAN SEND IT TO US AFTER THE FACT. BUT I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION. COUNCILMAN WEBER, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, WANTED TO SEE. CAN WE GET THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL CALLS THAT HAVE USED THE DEFLECTION AND IDEALLY, THE NUMBER OF LMPD AND EMS RUNS THAT WERE AVOIDED? ALSO, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CRISIS RESPONSE RUNS AND THE NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT ARE RESOLVED ON THE PHONE BY TRAINED OPERATORS. I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TANGENTIAL TO THE TRAUMA NURSES, BUT RELATED. YES. SO 20 IN 2024, WE SENT 3526 CALLS TO WHAT WE CALL THE CT OR THE CRISIS TRIAGE WORKERS IN THE 911 CENTER FROM OUR CALL TAKERS.
SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT QUALIFIED FOR AN ACTUAL CALL. OUT OF THOSE, 1099 RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM OUR MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM. AND THEN OUT OF THOSE, 699 OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY TRANSPORTED TO SOME FACILITY TO GET THOSE PEOPLE THE HELP THAT THEY NEEDED ACROSS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF LMPD HOURS. I WILL GET THAT BACK TO YOU. AND IS IN TERMS OF HAVING I FORGET THE FIRST NUMBER, IT WAS 1000 RUNS. WHAT WAS THE FIRST NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WERE DEFLECTED OVER THAT 3526. AND ACTUALLY THOSE NUMBERS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY GOING UP THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE WENT 24 HOURS ACROSS THE COUNTY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. YEAH. PERFECT. THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT WAS HOW MUCH OF THAT IS SORT OF BASED ON TODAY'S STAFFING AND, AND PLAN VERSUS ORIGINAL. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR YOU WAS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CURRENT STATE OF EMS STAFFING? YES, SIR.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 52 EMT VACANCIES AND 15 PARAMEDIC VACANCIES. WE JUST GRADUATED A CLASS OF 18 EMTS THAT ARE STILL CURRENTLY WRITING THIRD PERSON. SO THEY'LL BE RELEASED OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. AND OUR PLAN IS TO START ANOTHER EMT RECRUIT CLASS OF 30 UP TO 30 PEOPLE AT THE BY THE END OF JUNE. WE'VE ALSO GOT A LOT OF LATERALS THAT ARE STARTING. WE HAD THREE THAT STARTED LAST WEEK, WHICH ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY TRAINED AND CAN GET ON THE STREET A LOT QUICKER. WE'VE HAD ONE THAT BELIEVE WAS STARTING THIS WEEK, AND WE'VE GOT SEVEN THAT ARE IN QUEUE TO START, HOPEFULLY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO. IN TERMS OF 50, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF AMBULANCES AT ANY GIVEN TIME? HOW MANY AMBULANCES DO WE HAVE IN LOUISVILLE? WE PRODUCE. OUR GOAL IS 20. BUT DUE TO STAFFING, WE PRODUCE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 16 AMBULANCES ON A DAILY BASIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAD ARE REALLY JUST A COMMENT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN RUIZ QUESTION THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR STANDARD IS 90% OF CALLS ANSWERED WITHIN 15 OR 20 OR 30S AND I APOLOGIZE. WHAT IS THE MAX TIME FOR AN ANSWER? THAT VARIES. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A STATISTIC ON LIKE A MAX TIME. WE I CAN LOOK BACK AND GET IT TO YOU TO SEE MAYBE WHAT THE LONGEST TIME IT WAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GATHER THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. OKAY. AND IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUE TO ANSWER AS WELL. RIGHT. IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE THE AVERAGE. IT'S ANOTHER TO ALSO BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE IN THAT 10%, IF YOUR AVERAGE TIME IS SIX MINUTES, RIGHT. IF IT'S IF IT'S 31 SECONDS, THAT'S ONE THING. IF IT'S SIX MINUTES,
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THAT'S ANOTHER, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'LL LOOK WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. I'LL GET THAT BACK WITH YOU.THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. COUNCILMAN WINKLER ASKED MY QUESTION ABOUT STAFFING THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, BUT I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK IN REGARDS TO AN AMBULANCE ITSELF, IS THERE A FINANCIAL DIFFERENCE, EITHER ON YOUR BEHALF OR EVEN FROM THE INDIVIDUAL WHO NEEDS THE AMBULANCE CARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE TYPE OF AMBULANCE THAT PICKS PICKS THE INDIVIDUAL UP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. LIKE I'VE HEARD BEFORE ABOUT LIKE THE NEON ON THE SIDE OR WHATNOT, THE YELLOW BRIGHT REFLECTING THAT THOSE TYPICALLY ARE DIFFERENT OR IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM ALL OR ARE THEY ALL? NO. WE CURRENTLY RIDE EITHER TWO EMTS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD LEVEL OF CARE. WE ALSO RIDE AMBULANCES THAT HAVE A PARAMEDIC, WHICH IS AN ADVANCED LEVEL OF CARE PARAMEDIC AND AN EMT. WE ALSO HAVE AN ADVANCED EMT. THAT'S LIKE A LEVEL OF CARE IN BETWEEN THEM. THEY CAN DO ABOUT EIGHT SKILLS THAT AN EMT, AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN, CANNOT DO. BUT YOU KNOW, WE STAFF THOSE ACCORDINGLY. YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON AGAIN THE STAFFING THAT WE'VE GOT. AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON TO ANSWER YOUR A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOUR QUESTION IS THAT IT ALSO DICTATES WHAT WE SEND, THE TYPE OF AMBULANCE THAT WE SEND BASED ON WHAT THE CALL IS. SO IF IT'S A SHORT OF AIR TYPE OF RUN, WE'RE GOING TO SEND AN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT AMBULANCE. BUT IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S MAYBE GOT A BROKEN ARM, WE'RE GOING TO SEND, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, TWO EMTS, A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT AMBULANCE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION. SO THE AMBULANCE THAT PICKS YOU UP DOES NOT MATTER PER SE. NO. WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCE. DO WHAT? HOW IT'S STAFFED DOES. YEAH. OKAY.
AND I THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT THEN WOULD BE IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE COST OF STAFFING. I'M ASSUMING THERE IS. OH YES THERE IS I'M SORRY, A PARAMEDIC AND AN ADVANCED EMT MAKE MORE MONEY THAN A THAN AN EMT DOES. YES. THE LEVEL OF TRAINING UPS, THE LEVEL OF PAY THAT YOU GET AND HAVE YOU ALL RESPONDS. SOME OF THOSE AMBULANCES COST MORE TO RESPOND THAN OTHER AMBULANCES. YES. SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN COST TO US AND TO THE PERSON. JUST GOT IT. YES. AND WE BILL ACCORDINGLY. IF WE PROVIDE A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT LEVEL OF CARE, WE BILL FOR THAT LEVEL. AND IF WE IF WE HAVE AN ADVANCED LEVEL SUPPORT, WE BILL FOR THAT.
IT'S A HIGHER RATE IF WE DO DIFFERENT SKILLS. BUT THOSE PEOPLE, THIS IS MY OWN IGNORANCE. I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT LIKE THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT ADVANCED CARE, THEY IN THE SAME TYPE OF AMBULANCES AS ANY OTHER. LIKE IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? ALL OF OUR ALL OF OUR AMBULANCES ARE THE SAME. IT THEY CAN ALL RIDE IN THE SAME AMBULANCES. OKAY. AND MY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, HAVE YOU ALL NOTICED ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY WITH WITH DIXIE HIGHWAY SINCE THE MEDIANS HAVE GONE UP AND IT MAKES THAT LOGJAM FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN SPEAK TO IN REGARDS TO TIMING WISE, IN THE IN THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING? BECAUSE THERE'S THERE ARE PLENTY OF TIMES I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE THE AMBULANCE HAS NOWHERE TO GO AND IN THE JAM IS THERE. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SPEAK TO WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES AND DIXIE HIGHWAY, IT HAS POSED SOME PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE EXPRESSWAY ALL THE WAY TO GREENWOOD ROAD WITH THE MEDIANS THAT ARE THERE AND THE CUT THRUS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET TO. AS FAR AS SPECIFIC DATA AND RESPONSE TIMES, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GATHER THAT BECAUSE AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT. I MEAN, IT CAN BE WHERE IT'S NOT ANY, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE NOTICED, YOU KNOW, I LIVE OUT IN THAT AREA. I'VE NOTICED THAT EVEN, YOU KNOW, AT TIMES OF THE DAY WHERE THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC, THOSE, THOSE EMERGENCY MEDICAL AND, WELL, ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLE GETS CAUGHT UP IN TRAFFIC AND THERE'S JUST NOWHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO GO. SO WE CAN CHECK WITH PLEASURE RIDGE PARK TO SEE IF THEY'VE GOT MORE DATA BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE AFFECTED BY IT IN THE SHIVELY FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. BUT AS FAR AS US, WE DON'T KEEP THAT KIND OF DATA. WELL, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S OBVIOUS TO JUST SAY GET OUT OF THE WAY. THAT WOULD BE THE EASY ANSWER.
BUT WITH WITH THE ISSUE WITH DIXIE, THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE HOW YOU CAN JUST GET OUT OF THE WAY. SO IF THERE COULD BECOME A LIKE A STATEMENT OR SOMETHING THAT THAT THE EMERGENCY SERVICES COULD HELP US WITH, MAYBE WITH COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILWOMAN BASTON ON THE DIXIE AREA OF HOW CAN WE HELP YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE A MESSAGE OF WHAT IS THE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE THERE WHEN THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO, WHAT DO WE DO? AND SO I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN FRUSTRATED IN THAT REGARD. AND I DON'T KNOW SO MUCH THAT'S ON THE BUDGET. BUT AS MUCH AS LIKE BEING ON THE SAME MESSAGE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PEARCE. RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WINKLER AND COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, ANSWER SOME OF MY AND ALSO INCLUDE ME SOUTHWEST. SOUTH. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIXIE, TOO. MY QUESTION JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT COUNCILMAN WINKLER SAID.
AND I ASKED THIS OF OUR AMAZING FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT IS THE STARTING SALARIES FOR EMT AND IS IT COMPARATIVE TO OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR? SO YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO PASS THE LAST COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT? AND THAT'S JUST A THREE YEAR, ACTUALLY, THAT'S COMING UP HERE VERY SOON AS WELL TO NEGOTIATE WITH WITH THE MS. THEY START AT $20 AN HOUR NOW. SO IT'S VERY
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COMPARABLE. THEY WERE OUR RECRUITS WERE STARTING AT $15 AN HOUR BEFORE THAT. SO IT'S REALLY HELPED WITH RECRUITMENT. THE ISSUE IS AS WE RAISED OUR RATES OTHER AGENCIES RAISE THEIR RATES AS WELL. BUT IT HAS BEEN A GOOD ATTRACTION TO GET SOME PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR 15 I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM GO TO 25 ONE DAY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SCARE ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. BUT LIVING WAGES, THEY'VE INCREASED THAT FROM 15 TO AROUND 20. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS COMPARATIVE.THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. THE EASIER I THINK THAN LAST TIME. SO TAKE A DEEP BREATH. 311 THERE'S A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT COMPLETELY RIGHT.
IT'S WITH US. YES. AND THAT SAVES YOU A FEW. THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL EVENTS WONDERING WHAT THEIR REVENUE IS. AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR PROJECTED REVENUE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR IS 16.8 MILLION. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FROM SPECIAL EVENTS. SO LAST YEAR, IN 2024, WE BILLED JUST OVER $1.3 MILLION FOR OUR SPECIAL COLLECTED, NOT JUST BILLED, BUT COLLECTED A LITTLE BIT OVER $1.3 MILLION, 1.3384763 WAS ACTUALLY THE NUMBER THAT WE BILLED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS LAST YEAR. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET ME THOSE NUMBERS FOR THE LAST LIKE FIVE YEARS? YES. AND ARE THEY TRENDING UPWARDS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? REALLY? THEY'RE THEY GO UP AND DOWN JUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE. SO IT VARIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO GET THAT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW. YES, CHAIR. THANK YOU. I JUST I GUESS I JUST DON'T DO MY HOMEWORK OR I FORGET TOO MUCH. COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY GO OVER HOW YOU GUYS OPERATE WITH THE FIRE DISTRICTS? AS FAR AS.
ALL RIGHT. SO, LIKE. AND ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY IS LIKE TEN YEARS AGO, YOU USED TO HEAR FROM EMS PERSONNEL THAT THEY JUST COULDN'T MAKE A LIVING. AND NOW THEY'RE MOST OF THEM ARE VERY HAPPY, THE ONES I TALKED TO. SO THAT HAS REALLY BEEN A SUCCESS. I BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. BUT SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO A FIREHOUSE IN FERN CREEK AND THERE ARE EMS PERSONNEL THERE NOW. DO THEY TAKE DIRECTIONS FROM THE CHIEF THERE? FROM YOU? YES. THEY'RE THERE. EACH THEY THEY BELONG TO EACH INDIVIDUAL FIRE STATION. SO ALL BUT ONE SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS HAS AN EMS AGENCY. THE FAIRDALE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE ANY EMS AGENCY, NOR DOES THE CITY OF SHIVELY. SO THE REST OF THEM DO. THEY OPERATE WITHIN THEIR OWN ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS AND ANSWER TO THE CHIEF OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY TAX ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF I REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THAT IN FERN CREEK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RAISE THAT $0.05 OR $0.10 OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT, BUT, BUT MY I GUESS MY WHOLE CONFUSION IS THE, THE FIRE DISTRICTS ARE SO DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU GOT THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT AND THEN THE OTHER CHAPTERS, BUT YOU GUYS DON'T FOLLOW THAT. YOU FOLLOW YOUR COUNTYWIDE. SO WE ARE AND EVERY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, EVERY EMS AGENCY IN THE COUNTY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE IS HAS A HAS A LICENSE AND A CERTIFICATE OF NEED FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND THAT'S THE CITY OF JEFFERSONTOWN. THEIRS IS ONLY FOR THE CITY AND FIRE DISTRICT OF JEFFERSONTOWN. EVERY OTHER EMS AGENCY IN THE COUNTY, INCLUDING LOUISVILLE METRO, IS FOR THE ENTIRE JEFFERSON COUNTY. THERE IS SOME WORDING. THEY USED TO USE 95% OF THE POPULATION IN A 30 MILE RADIUS, BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THE ENTIRE COUNTY FROM WHATEVER POINT IN YOUR FIRE DISTRICT OR IN THEIR FIRE DISTRICT, THEY SAID. BUT YES. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WHEN THESE AGENCIES CAME ON, WE ONLY ASKED THEM, YOU KNOW, TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND THAT WAS TO RESPOND TO THE RUNS TO WE, THAT WE WOULD ALL USE THE SAME PROTOCOL SO THAT WE MADE SURE THAT EVERY CITIZEN IN THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, WAS GETTING THE SAME LEVEL OF CARE. AND LIKE I SAID, BE AVAILABLE TO GO TO THESE RUNS WHEN YOU'RE DISPATCHED. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. SO, COUNCILMAN, JUST AND I'LL ASK DIRECTOR MAMMON TO JUMP IN HERE AND HELP ME PAINT A CLEARER PICTURE. SUBURBAN FIRE IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE AMBULANCE SERVICE. RIGHT? EMS IS. SO IF EVERY SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENT IN JEFFERSON COUNTY TOMORROW DECIDED THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE AMBULANCE SERVICE, IT WOULD FALL SQUARELY ON DIRECTOR MAMMON. WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS IS MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF OUR SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE CHOSEN TO ADD AMBULANCE SERVICE. EACH TIME THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THEY ARE REDUCING, NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR EMS, BUT THE NEED FOR EMS.
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THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS EMS METRO EMS IS TECHNICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR RESPONDING TO EMS ACROSS ALL OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, BUT BECAUSE THE SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE EMS SERVICES, THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR THEM TO DO THAT. AND OVER THE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE THIS. THERE'S BEEN KIND OF A SETTLING IN AS FAR AS WHAT EMS IS, WHAT EMS NEEDS TO DO VERSUS WHAT EMS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND IT'S IT IS AN INTERESTING CHALLENGE, I THINK IS SAFE TO SAY. AND AGAIN, I KEEP LOOKING TO CHIEF TO DIRECTOR BECAUSE I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS ACCURATE AND THAT REFLECTS OUR EXPERIENCE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO THINK OF THIS AS TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE SYSTEMS. IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT EVEN TRUE. THERE'S NOT A SUBURBAN EMS, AND THEN EACH FIRE DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN EMS. THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS CERTIFICATE OF NEED FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY SERVING AS EMS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT FIRE STATION THEY COME OUT OF. ADD ON TOP OF THAT LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY, THERE ARE POCKETS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL SERVICE, AND THOSE POCKETS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL SERVICE ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS TO METRO, TO THE SUBURBAN FIRE DISTRICT, THE SUBURBAN SYSTEM. SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IF WE TRIED, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN IF WE TRIED TO SOMEHOW PARSE THIS OUT, YOU WOULD HAVE A SUBURBAN, YOU HAVE AN URBAN FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, LOUISVILLE, LOUISVILLE FIRE WITH EMS RESPONSIBILITIES THAT KIND OF GO OUT INTO PORTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY LIKE FAIRDALE OR SHIVELY. WHEN YOU HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE LITERALLY RIGHT THERE, I MEAN, PRP LAYS ALMOST ON TOP OF FAIRDALE. IT'S A LOT QUICKER FOR AN AMBULANCE TO GET FROM ANYWHERE IN PRP INTO FAIRDALE THAN IT IS TO EXPECT AN AMBULANCE FROM FROM WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. SO IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT EMA HAS BEEN, I THINK, SAFE TO SAY, STRUGGLING WITH. RIGHT. FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND AS SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ADDED AMBULANCE SERVICE, IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EXACERBATES THE CHALLENGE OR IF IT MAKES YOUR LIFE EASIER, BUT I HOPE THAT OFFERS SOME CLARITY AND THAT IF YOU'LL JUMP IN AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ANYTHING, I MESSED UP. NO, NO, NO, I DON'T THINK I MESSED EVERYTHING UP THOUGH. NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS VERY GOOD. YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS. THE FIRE. IF YOU JUST THINK ABOUT THE FIRESIDE, THEY HAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS, INCLUDING THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE AND THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. WHEN THE AGENCIES WERE ABLE TO GET EMS SERVICES, IT WAS A IT'S A IT'S A COUNTY WIDE SERVICE. IT'S DIFFERENT. YOU MENTIONED YOU LIVED IN YOU LIVE IN FERN CREEK. YOU KNOW IT. IF FERN CREEK IS THE CLOSEST AMBULANCE TO YOU RIGHT NOW, GOD FORBID YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF ISSUE. THEY SHOULD BE DISPATCHED AND COME DOWN HERE TO TAKE CARE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS A TAXPAYER HERE AS YOU ARE LIVING, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR IN YOUR DISTRICT AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, IT CHALLENGES A GOOD WORD. INTERESTING CHALLENGE. I MEAN IT'S JUST IT'S TWO DIFFERENT IT'S COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS. AND THE FIRES, THE FIRE AND THE EMS IS THE EMS. AND IT'S JUST DIFFERENT. IN OTHER WORDS, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JODY, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. QUICKLY. THE FIRST QUESTION IS, I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR IN THE BUDGET ADDRESS OR MAYBE JUST IN, IN CONVERSATION WITH ME, PREVIOUSLY HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF FOCUS OF USING A THIRD PARTY AMBULANCE SERVICE AS WELL ON THE NON-EMERGENCY RUNS. I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN JOSEPH'S QUESTION, CAN YOU SPEAK? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S AMR OR A DIFFERENT PROVIDER, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW MUCH IS BUDGETED FOR THAT AND WHO THE PROVIDER IS OR AND WHAT THEY'D BE USED FOR? YES, SIR. WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY USING A THIRD SERVICE TO COME IN AND PROVIDE AMBULANCES IN AREAS TO TAKE CARE OF. I MEAN, NON-EMERGENCY BUT EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, CALLS FOR SERVICE IF, IF THEY'RE CLOSE TO THAT OR IF THEY'RE NEEDED FOR THAT. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT NO COST TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'LL JUST THEY'LL JUST RECOUP THEIR WHATEVER THEY BILL, ESSENTIALLY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THE LAST QUESTION THAT I'LL ASK YOU IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO SUBURBAN FIRE SENDING EMS SERVICE INTO THE USD, AND THAT IS THAT AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE IN THE SUBURBAN DISTRICTS BELIEVE THAT THE DIRECTIVE AT METRO IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO JUST REIMBURSE SUBURBAN FIRE FOR[02:00:08]
MAKING THE EMS RUNS INTO THE USD. AND SO THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR LOUISVILLE EMS TO STAFF APPROPRIATELY. BASICALLY, JUST CONTINUE TO OUTSOURCE IT TO SUBURBAN EMS. IS THAT A STRATEGY THAT WE'RE DEPLOYING? NO. IS THAT TRUE? WE STILL WE STILL ARE GOING TO STRIVE TO PUT 20 TRUCKS ON ON THE STREET EVERY DAY, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL DAYS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK PEAK RUN TIMES WHERE WE'RE HOLDING RUNS, LEGITIMATELY HOLDING RUNS. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, AMBULANCES THAT ARE NEEDED OUT ON THE STREET. AND SO IT'S NOT A STRATEGY TO OUTSOURCE USD RUNS TO SUBURBAN FIRE. NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T MIND, COUNCILMAN, I'M GOING TO EXPAND YOUR YOUR CHARACTERIZATION. YOU'VE USED SEVERAL TIMES USD SERVICE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I TRIED TO POINT OUT AMBULANCE SERVICE IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN FIRE PROTECTION. AGAIN, COUNCILMAN. I MEAN, DIRECTOR MAMMON MADE THAT CLEAR AS WELL.EMS RESPONSIBILITIES ARE METRO WIDE. EMS RESPONSIBILITIES ARE NOT JUST IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. THERE ARE EXPENSES TAKEN ON BY SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENTS OFFERING EMS SERVICE IN AREAS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY THAT METRO LOUISVILLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE AREAS IN FAIRDALE THOSE AREAS IN SHIVELY, THERE ARE FINGERS POCKETS. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DEFINE THAT THAT THAT METRO EMS IS RESPONSIBLE. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO TACKLE. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TACKLE TODAY BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING HAD. BUT THERE IS THIS SERIOUS CONVERSATION THAT HAS TO BE HAD ABOUT WHO AND HOW THESE PROGRAMS ARE BEING FUNDED.
YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO LIVE IN SUBURBAN AREAS ARE PAYING AN ADDITIONAL TAX FOR AMBULANCE SERVICE, WHEREAS PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS ARE ALL OF US METRO WIDE, ARE PAYING TAXES TO METRO LOUISVILLE FOR A SERVICE THAT METRO LOUISVILLE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING. THIS ISN'T LIKE GARBAGE COLLECTION OR STREET LIGHTS. THIS IS A SERVICE THAT METRO LOUISVILLE IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE COUNTYWIDE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICTS HAVE TAKEN ON THE HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO PROVIDE THAT SAME SERVICE AND TO OVERLAP AND TO CHARGE THEIR CONSTITUENTS AN ADDITIONAL TAX. SO SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE PAYING TAXES TWICE. THEY'RE PAYING TAXES TO METRO LOUISVILLE FOR A SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, AND THEY'RE PAYING THEIR FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT FOR A SERVICE THAT THEIR FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT HAS DECIDED TO PROVIDE. THOSE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT THEIR SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT, OR IF THEY WANT TO RELY ON METRO LOUISVILLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THIS HAS HUGE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS. TO COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW'S POINT FROM EARLIER, THE STATE HAS STEPPED IN AND SAID, WE WANT A CLEARER ACCOUNTING OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE SO WE CAN GET OUR HEAD AROUND THIS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH WHAT ALL THAT LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TODAY THAT THAT WE NEED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS OR MAKES YOUR. YEAH THANK YOU QUESTION. I USE THE WRONG TERM. YEAH. MISTER CHAIR, SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID USDA. PROBABLY A BETTER TERM WOULD BE JUST OUT OF DISTRICT RUNS. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THAT IT'S CHEAPER TO HAVE SUBURBAN FIRE MAKE OUT OF DISTRICT RUNS RATHER THAN US STAFFING AMBULANCES APPROPRIATELY. YEAH. AND ARE YOU WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH DIRECTOR MADDEN'S RESPONSE? I WAS THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THAT. THEN JUST IMMEDIATELY WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY WHEN WE SEND METRO AMBULANCE ON AVERAGE, IT'S I THINK $300. WHEN WE SEND A SUBURBAN AMBULANCE, IT'S ON AVERAGE 150. WHY IS THERE SUCH A DIFFERENCE IN THAT COST? SO AS FAR AS WHEN THEY COME INTO THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE CITY BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF FUEL COSTS GOING FROM THE PERSON'S HOUSE TO THE HOSPITAL, POTENTIALLY SOME, I GUESS SOME EQUIPMENT THAT THEY MAY USE IF THEY'RE TRANSPORTING, THEY'RE TYPICALLY USING MORE, MORE EQUIPMENT THAN THEY'RE THEY'RE USING WHEN THEY DON'T TRANSPORT. GREAT. THANK YOU. ON PAGE 91 OF THE RECOMMENDED FY 24 EXPENDITURES, THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES WERE LISTED AT 49,787,000. BUT TOTAL FUNDING IS ACTUALLY 51,999. THESE NUMBERS DIDN'T BALANCE LAST YEAR EITHER.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FY 23 AND THE ACTUAL, WHERE ARE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS REPORTED SO DIFFERENTLY
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FROM YEAR TO YEAR FOR THIS DEPARTMENT? I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON 91 THE DETAILED BUDGET. RECOMMENDED BUDGET. YOU CAN YOU CAN GET WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU BECAUSE I'M NOT PAGE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH UP. YEAH. JUST. YEAH. IF YOU'LL GET BACK TO ME ON THAT ONE I THOUGHT THAT ONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE. THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER ONE THAT I HAD. I'M LOOKING AT THE QUEUE TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT RADIO AND COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT. OH, I'M SORRY, AM I MISSING SOMEONE? OH, COUNCILMAN. I I'M ON A TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I'M COMING YOUR WAY, I PROMISE. AND I DID ASSURE YOU YOU'D GET IN. SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT RADIO AND COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT. IT WAS 125,100. IT'S GONE UP TO 1,000,603. WHEN ASKED WHAT THE BIG DIFFERENCE WAS, THE ANSWER WAS BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH CURRENT YEAR ACTUALS. THAT JUMPED TO 1.6 MILLION. IT WOULD FEEL LIKE IT'S NO WE SOMETHING ELSE. SOME OF THE SOME OF THE SAME THINGS I MENTIONED WITH THE QUESTION EARLIER IS TOWER LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THAT HAS TO BE REPAIRED BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS FIVE YEAR PROJECT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH BETTER ALIGNMENT. IT'S MORE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL NEEDS. YES, SIR. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WOOLDRIDGE. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU DIRECTOR AND ALL OF YOU. ALL EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO. I WAS LISTENING EARLIER AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS QUESTIONS AROUND, YOU KNOW, SUBURBAN URBAN EMS AND THAT $6 MILLION. I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW WAS THAT 6 MILLION ESTIMATED. SO WE TOOK AN AVERAGE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAT THEY WERE IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. SO IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION OF WHO'S MAKING THE URBAN RUNS VERSUS SUBURBAN, CAN'T THAT INFORMATION BE USED TO GO AGAINST THE INVOICES BEING RECEIVED, SUCH AS EMS, DISPATCH CARDS OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT COMPARISON? AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BILLS THAT WE GOT WERE JUST A ONE PAGE BILL THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT YOU OWE US, AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE BILLING US FOR. SO YES, WE CAN CROSS-REFERENCE THAT. OKAY. AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS KIND OF ON THE FLIP SIDE IS DO WE HAVE A WAY TO SEE HOW MANY RUNS WERE MADE FROM THE URBAN EMS OR FIRE THEM OVER INTO SUBURBAN. JUST DO WE HAVE ALL THAT? AND WE ALSO HAVE THE NUMBER OF RUNS THAT EACH SUBURBAN EMS AGENCY WENT TO, THE OTHER SUBURBAN EMS AGENCIES AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUT THERE TOO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T JUST COME INTO THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THEY GO THEY CROSS GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES AS WELL WITHIN THEMSELVES. YEAH, I KNOW YOU ALL DISPATCH FOR ALL OF IT. SO I FIGURED WE CAN GET IT ALL. JUST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME WHAT YOU THE EXACT STATISTICS THAT YOU WANT, WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT AGAIN IS THE CONFUSION. FOLKS TEND TO THINK THAT THESE EMS RUNS LIKE FIRE AND IT DOES NOT. IT'S EMS IS COUNTYWIDE AND IT'S WHERE IT'S BEING TREATED. JUST A LAST KIND OF FOLLOW UP, IF YOU WILL.YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU HAVE 16 AMBULANCES THAT YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING IN SERVICE AT ANY ONE TIME. JAN 16. YES, SIR. 10 TO 16. AND I'M DOING THIS FROM MEMORY, SO I APOLOGIZE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A POINT WHERE 42 WAS LIKE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF AMBULANCES THAT WE WANTED ON THE STREET. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXPANDING THE EXPANSION OF SUBURBAN FIRE DISTRICTS. SO WE USED TO STAFF LIKE 40. ACTUALLY, 42 WAS THE NUMBER. AND WE WERE WISHING FOR MORE THE MOST THAT WE COULD STAFF, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN TEN YEARS WAS 24, 24. YES, SIR. BUT WE DID DO A UNIT, OUR UTILIZATION. AND YOU WERE RIGHT.
YOU REMEMBER THAT NUMBER? IT WAS AROUND BETWEEN 42 AND 50 TRUCKS WITH THE NUMBER OF RUNS OR RESPONSES THAT WE WERE GETTING ON AVERAGE. OKAY, SO I DIDN'T INVERT THE NUMBERS THEN. GREAT.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE STARTED A FEW MINUTES EARLY.
WE'LL FINISH A FEW MINUTES EARLY. DIRECTOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE IT. OUR NEXT BUDGET HEARING IS MONDAY AT THREE. SEE YOU GUYS THEN. THANKS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.