May 22, 2025 Budget Hearings FY 2025-2026

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YOU SET UP. THE.

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WOOLRIDGE. COUNCILWOMAN. PARKER. COUNCILMAN. PIAGENTINI. COUNCILWOMAN. MURRAY.

COUNCILMAN. LININGER. COUNCILMAN. HERNDON. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN. JOSEPH. COUNCILMAN.

BASS. AND I'M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN BASS AND COUNCILMAN SAM. JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. AND I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY. I'LL TRY TO KEEP AN EYE OUT AND CALL OUT OTHERS AS THEY COME IN. I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN RENA WEBER HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

COUNCILMAN, DID I CALL YOU? I THINK I'VE DONE THAT. EVERY COUNCILMAN RENA WEBER, HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. LMPD WILL NOT BE MAKING OPENING COMMENTS TODAY. WE WILL START NOW WITH

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DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY, THE MAYOR STATED THAT NONE OF THE 375,000 WILL BE SPENT IN FY 25. THEREFORE, THESE FUNDS MAY BE REALLOCATED TO OTHER METRO PROJECTS. DOES LMPD ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IMPLEMENTING THE REFORMS NOTED IN THE CONSENT DECREE? AND WHAT ARE THOSE EXPENDITURES? I'M GUESSING YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME 375,000 THAT WE ARE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, WE HAVE THAT COVERED.

SO SORRY, CHIEF HUMPHREY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KRAMER. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE AND THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED THAT WE ARE DOING THIS IN COLLABORATION. SO MUCH APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE SPENT THIS YEAR IF WE PUT OUT AN RFP, EVEN TODAY, IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HIRE A MONITOR PRIOR TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE PREVIOUS YEARS IN ORDER TO GET A LOT OF THE BOTH PERSONNEL AS WELL AS SOFTWARE AND CONTRACTS THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT IN PLACE, WE'VE ALREADY DONE. SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY OTHER COST. THANK YOU. I NEGLECTED TO READ INTO THE RECORD. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD VIRTUALLY SO THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN JOIN. THERE'S A RULE THAT THERE'S A PIECE THAT WE READ INTO THAT. SO, MADAM CLERK, THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO CRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT IN THE IN THE QUEUE IS COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, CHIEF HUMPHREY, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND CITATIONS ARE TO DATE IN FY 25? IT'S FUNNY YOU ASK THAT, SIR. THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I TRIED TO LOOK UP JUST RIGHT BEFORE WE CAME HERE.

AND I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS RIGHT AROUND 17,000. I'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT. I BELIEVE THAT'S DOWN ABOUT 2000 FROM YEAR TO DATE LAST YEAR. AND SO THAT'S ARRESTS AND CITATIONS OR JUST ARRESTS. ARRESTS. OKAY. AND WHAT I CAN GET YOU I CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER. I CAN HAVE IT BEFORE WE FINISH THIS COUNCIL MEETING. PROBABLY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS WE HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT TREND SINCE 2020 OF A DROP IN ARRESTS AND CITATIONS COMBINED, STARTING IN 2019, WE HAD 1254 PATROL UNITS, AND WE MADE A COMBINED 85,684 ARRESTS AND CITATIONS THIS PAST YEAR. THE TOTAL COMBINED FOR ARRESTS AND CITATIONS WERE 44,543. THAT IS A 48% DROP IN ARRESTS AND CITATIONS, A 38% DROP IN ARRESTS AND CITATIONS PER PATROL UNIT, WITH ONLY A 13% DROP IN TOTAL PATROL UNITS. SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY EFFORT BY LMPD TO STUDY THIS DROP IN ACTIVITY AND EFFICIENCY? BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, IN THE LABOR WORLD WE CALL THAT A SLOWDOWN. YES, SIR. AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE STRUGGLE THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS IS, IN ALL HONESTY, PART OF IT IS DUE TO A DROP IN MANPOWER BEING OVER 250 OFFICERS SHORT FROM WHERE WE WERE PREVIOUSLY. BUT PART OF THAT HAS BEEN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'VE WE'VE WORKED IN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE STRIVED TO OVERCOME. WE KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME, ARREST IS NOT THE ONLY METHOD TO SOLVE CRIME ISSUES AND PREVENT CRIME ISSUES, BUT IT IS A HUGE PART OF IT. AND SO WHEN YOU SEE OUR CRIME PLAN THAT WE PUT OUT BACK IN THE FALL, THAT IS PART OF IT IS HAVING AN OVERARCHING PLAN THAT EVERY OFFICER UNDERSTANDS AND UNDERSTANDS THEIR ROLE IN, AND THEN HAVING A CITY AND A COMMAND STAFF THAT SUPPORTS THEM IN DOING THAT AND DRIVES THEM AND REWARDS THEM FOR DOING POSITIVE WORK. SO, YES, THAT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO GET THOSE NUMBERS UP BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS, WE'VE WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THEIR COMPENSATION. TO QUOTE DON DRAPER, THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY'S FOR. AS FAR AS THE POSITIVE INDUCEMENTS SO RECENTLY INFORMED DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANTS THAT LMPD HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DE-EMPHASIZED TRAFFIC PATROL IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. YOU DID MAKE SOME COMMITMENTS TO INCREASING THAT, WHICH I APPLAUD YOU CONSIDERING, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE

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THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I HAVE JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY. I THINK A COUPLE OF THEM ARE RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ONE, YOU MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US ON THE PRO TACTICAL CONTRACT. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT'S FOR? YES, SIR. SO PROTEIN TACTICAL IS A CONTRACT SERVICE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE SUMMIT WELLNESS CENTER. AND IT WAS ONE OF OUR KEY OBJECTIVES WHEN WE DEVELOPED THAT. AND THAT IS A GROUP OF PHYSICAL THERAPISTS. WE HAVE THREE FULL TIME PHYSICAL THERAPISTS AS WELL AS A STRENGTH COACH. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA AS FAR AS. ON DUTY INJURIES AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT OFF BY OFFICERS AND PERSONNEL, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ALL IN OUR CONTRACT. BUT PRO TEAM IS ACTUALLY ACCESSED BY ALL OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR SECTOR. SO POLICE, FIRE, EMS AND CORRECTIONS, OUR NUMBER OF DAYS OFF DUE TO WORK RELATED INJURIES IN 2023 WERE 2724 DAYS MISSED OF WORK AND 24 THAT DROPPED DOWN TO 715 DAYS OFF. ALTHOUGH WE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED OUR REPORTING OF ON DUTY INJURIES.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT OFFICERS ARE BETTER ABLE TO NAVIGATE THE WORKER'S COMP SYSTEM AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH PRO TEAM TACTICAL, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING BACK TO WORK FASTER AND THEY'RE BEING ABLE TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COST, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I THINK WE CAN OFFSET THAT COST IN THE NUMBER OF DAYS RETURNED TO DUTY.

THANK YOU. I REALLY WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT CONTRACT, WHAT EXACTLY THEY DID.

AND THAT WAS A GOOD REMINDER BECAUSE I THINK WE FUNDED THAT THROUGH ARP INITIALLY, BECAUSE THE WELLNESS CENTER WAS FUNDED THROUGH ARP, AND NOW I THINK SHOULD STAY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A CONTRACT THAT WE SHOULD MAINTAIN, BECAUSE IT PROBABLY ACTUALLY RESULTS IN A COST SAVINGS. THAT'S BEEN A HUGE BENEFIT. AND I DO THINK IT IS COST SAVING SAVINGS. THANK YOU.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS I KNOW THAT FOR LMPD, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH FLEET AND WITH EQUIPMENT, THE HEADQUARTERS SITS IN THE FLEET AND FACILITIES BUDGET OUTSIDE OF SORT OF COMMON SERVICE LIKE WORKDAY, RIGHT. WHICH IS THE HR PLATFORM FOR THE ENTIRE METRO ENTERPRISE. ARE THERE OTHER LMPD BUDGET ITEMS THAT SIT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS BUDGETS? I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO MR. JACKSON FROM OMB. BUT FLEET AND FACILITIES ARE THE PRIMARY ONES THAT SIT IN OTHER BUDGETS.

AARON JACKSON WITH OMB, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED ARE THE ONLY EXPENSES THAT RELY THAT ARE IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, CHIEF, THE LAST QUESTION I'VE GOT FOR RIGHT NOW, CAN WE GET A DETAIL AROUND THE FY 26 HIRING PLANS BY MONTH AND SORT OF WHAT WHAT IS BUDGETED RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, CALLS FOR THREE RECRUIT CLASSES AND PROBABLY HAS SOME STAFFING LEVEL ASSOCIATED WITH IT MONTH OVER MONTH. CAN WE GET THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN POSSIBLY HAVE THOSE MAPPED AGAINST OUR HISTORICAL TRENDS? AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SORT OF WHERE MY QUESTION IS GOING, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN MAYBE HELP STEER THE WHAT YOU SEND US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IS, ARE THOSE PLANS BASED ON A HOPE OF WHAT WE MIGHT GET, OR ARE THEY BASED ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY WHAT IS REALISTIC GIVEN OUR HISTORICAL TRENDS? YES, SIR. AND WE CAN GET YOU THOSE DETAILS. BUT AND JUST AS AN OVERALL UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S A

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EVEN IF WE HIT OUR MAX NUMBER, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO GET OUR MANPOWER BACK UP TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY QUESTION IS REALLY MORE FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, AS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE REQUESTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, WE GOT TO TRY TO FIND WHERE IS THERE SLACK IN WHAT'S BUDGETED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE'RE VERY OPTIMISTIC, RIGHT. CAN WE, YOU KNOW, RATCHET THAT DOWN SLIGHTLY AND THEN MAYBE RELOOK AT IT AT MID-YEAR IN DECEMBER. YES. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY DID. WE REMOVED TEN SPOTS, I BELIEVE, FROM, FROM THAT REQUEST IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT THAT SAVINGS THAT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, JUST AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF RECRUITS THAT ARE COMING IN, YOU SAID 34, I BELIEVE. YES. HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE RETIRING? SO IF YOU LOOK YEAR OVER YEAR, WE HAD WHAT WAS OUR OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF SEPARATIONS LAST YEAR. HANG ON A SECOND. SO WE HAD 72 SEPARATIONS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FROM FROM YEARS PAST WHERE YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, 115 AND 22, 194 AND 21. SO WE ARE WE ARE BACK TO A SUSTAINABLE LEVEL AND ABOVE REPLACEMENT LEVEL HIRING. THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO 72 THAT THAT SEPARATED AND THERE 34IN THIS CLASS. AND THERE WAS A SECOND CLASS ALREADY ARE THERE. SO PLANNED THIS YEAR THAT WILL BE HIRED BEFORE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR WILL BE 91. AND WE ANTICIPATE, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 70. SO WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE IN THE POSITIVE THIS YEAR. YES. BUT AGAIN, IT'LL TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO EVEN THINK ABOUT CATCHING UP. OKAY. PLUS TRANSFERS. RIGHT? OKAY. THANKS. COUNCILMAN.

PIACENTINI. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, I'M TOLD I'M NOT MAKING IT CLEAR WHEN I'M MAKING THAT STATEMENT. WELL, THANK YOU. I'M. I'M COMFORTABLE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY. SO. SO, CHIEF, THANKS VERY MUCH. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THE YEAR OVER YEAR HOMICIDE NUMBERS AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, THE YEAR OVER YEAR HOMICIDE CLEARANCE RATE, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY UP YEAR OVER YEAR, IS TERRIFIC. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT 100%. SO MORE ARRESTS AND CITATIONS TO COME.

SO I FEEL LIKE THEY'LL BE MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVITY COMING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SOON. THEY SORT OF STOLE MY THUNDER ON THE HEADCOUNT. BUT I WANT TO TALK TWO THINGS. ONE IS I'LL DO THE EASY ONE. FIRST, THERE'S BEEN A REDUCTION IN ADVERTISING. I'M ASSUMING A LOT OF THAT ADVERTISING HAD TO DO WITH RECRUITING. SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THE STRATEGY OR WHY WE'RE REDUCING THE ADVERTISING BUDGET, AND WHAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS AROUND THAT? YES, AND I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A REALLOCATION OF SOME OF THE FUNDS AND SOME WHERE WE HAD SOME INITIATIVES. BUT I'LL LET DEPUTY CHIEF EMILY MCKINLEY HANDLE THE DETAILS ON THAT. THANK YOU.

AGAIN. DEPUTY CHIEF EMILY MCKINLEY. SO, YES, THERE WAS A REDUCTION TO THE RECRUITMENT BUDGET AS FAR AS THE ADVERTISING GOES, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH SOME ARP GRANT MONEY THAT WILL EXPIRE THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT AND REALLOCATE MONEY THAT WAY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS, IT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET CURRENTLY, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AND I KNOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I ARE VERY INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH A TRAINING FACILITY LIKE TRULY A REGIONAL, TOP NOTCH TRAINING FACILITY THAT NOT ONLY SUPPORTS LMPD, BUT SUPPORTS OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY AND MAYBE THE REGION. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO CURRENTLY RELATED TO TRAINING? AND THEN IF WE HAD A REGIONAL TRAINING FACILITY, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT YOU FROM A PRODUCTIVITY OR COST POINT OF VIEW? LIKE WHAT? WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE IF WE STARTED THE PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY HAD A REGIONAL TRAINING FACILITY FROM A FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE? SO FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NEAR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR THE NEED FOR A TRAINING FACILITY FOR LMPD AND KIND OF AT LARGE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR. CURRENTLY, OBVIOUSLY WE DO NOT HAVE AN OUTDOOR RANGE, WHICH MEANS WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN OUR ABILITY TO SHOOT AND DO FIREARMS RELATED TRAINING. SO WE HAVE TO GO TO OTHER FACILITIES. WE DO NOT HAVE A DRIVING TRACK, SO WE CAN'T DO ANY DRIVING HERE. WE HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN TO RICHMOND, SO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THERE'S A INCURRED COST THAT COMES WITH WITH ALL OF THAT, AS WELL AS CLASSROOM FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE ABILITY TO

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COUNCILMAN HERNDON. YES? I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN SINGER'S THOUGHTS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FOLKS. AND YOU SAID STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. YES, SIR. AND WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF STATE LAW DID DO OTHER STATES DO THAT? I THINK I REMEMBER READING, I CAN'T PUT MY FINGER ON IT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, TEMPE, ARIZONA, WAS ABLE TO SHIFT SOME OF THOSE LESSER DUTIES THAT REQUIRED LESSER TRAINING TO OTHER PERSONNEL AND THEN WOULD FREE UP THE VERY HIGHLY TRAINED, HIGHLY PAID FOLKS, AND RIGHTLY SO, TO TAKE THE OTHER DUTIES. AND IF SO, WOULD THAT HELP YOU EAT INTO YOUR 250 OFFICER SHORTFALL FASTER SECRETARY POINT OF VIEW? YES, SIR. WE ARE ABLE TO USE TRAFFIC CONTROL OFFICERS SO TCOS FOR SOME OF THAT TYPE OF WORK.

SO TAKING TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME CONTRACT OPTIONS THAT I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER ON THAT END THAT WE'VE JUST NOW STARTED EXPLORING THAT I CAN TELL YOU IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND SAVING LIVES, I THINK FROM A LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT, WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WE ALL PUSH FOR AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED BY STATE LAW. BUT I THINK THINGS LIKE RED LIGHT CAMERAS, WHERE TICKETS ARE ISSUED AUTOMATICALLY, WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT FOR US IN HELPING COMBAT SOME OF THAT. AND HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED IN ANY WAY IN FRANKFORT? YES, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES AND SHOT DOWN SEVERAL TIMES, I BELIEVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THE ARGUMENT FROM FRANKFORT HAS BEEN I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL BE AGAIN, BUT THE ARGUMENT FROM FRANKFORT HAS BEEN THAT IN ORDER TO USE CAMERAS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FRONT LICENSE PLATE AND A REAR LICENSE PLATE. KENTUCKY ONLY REQUIRES A REAR LICENSE PLATE. AND SO THAT WOULD CHANGE. THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATUTE. ONE WOULD THINK, YOU CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM IF IT'S HELPFUL AND GETS US, GETS US EATING THAT SHORTAGE NUMBER FASTER, I WOULD CERTAINLY THAT HAS BEEN THE PUSHBACK. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, CAN I RESPOND TO THIS DIRECTLY? SURE. TO COUNCILMAN HERNDON, IF THAT'S OKAY. MORE ACCURATELY THROUGH THE CHAIR. YES, YES, MR. CHAIR, MORE ACCURATELY, THE STATE HAS OBJECTED TO WHAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS ROBOCOP. IN OTHER WORDS, SYSTEMS THAT CAN WRITE CITATIONS WITHOUT HUMAN INTERVENTION. OKAY, WITH THAT SAID, I CAN. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IT IS MY OPINION AND I BELIEVE MANY OTHERS, THAT EVEN UNDER EXISTING LAW, IF A WHICH WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME, IF A CAMERA CAUGHT SOMEBODY BREAKING ANY LAW, INCLUDING A TRAFFIC LAW, AND THEN A POLICE OFFICER, A PEACE OFFICER AS DEFINED BY STATE STATUTE REVIEWED THAT VIDEO, THEY COULD BE WRITTEN A CITATION OFF OF THAT REVIEW. SO THAT IS NOT AUTOMATED 100%. BUT WE CAN USE SOME TECHNOLOGY UNDER CURRENT LAW. AND THE OBJECTION FROM THE STATE HAS BEEN, AGAIN, WHAT BADLY USED TERMINOLOGY ROBOCOP, WHERE THERE IS NO HUMAN INTERVENTION? THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW PREVENTS, THE LACK OF ANY STATE IN THE COUNTRY USE ROBOCOP IS THAT MANY STATES? MANY. AND THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YEAH, CORRECT. SO AM I HEARING MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE SUGGESTING THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE POLICE OFFICERS WHO COULD REMOTELY WRITE TICKETS BASED ON WHAT IS SHOWING UP ON THEIR SCREENS. COUNCILMAN SAM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COME UP AT SOME POINT? WELL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'VE BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. I ACTUALLY TESTIFIED IN FRANKFORT ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WE NEED THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THE WORK AROUND THAT. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI HAS DESCRIBED, I THINK WILL FIT RIGHT IN, AND WE COULD START UTILIZING THAT TECHNOLOGY IMMEDIATELY WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE FUNDING. BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED FURTHER INTO. AND THEN ONCE WE GET STATE LAW PASSED, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. BUT WE HAVE GOT TO START UTILIZING THESE CAMERAS AND IF WE CAN DO A

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GREAT. THANKS. COUNCILMAN HERNDON, I DID NOT MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. IT WAS AT THE LAST. DID YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR WERE YOU FINISHED? OKAY. THANK YOU. SPECIFIC TO THIS. OKAY. BUT. SO THE LAST PIECE OF THAT IS HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE, THE, THE OVERALL 250 NUMBER AND THE STAFFING NUMBER THAT'S COMING BACK IN YOUR REPORT. RIGHT. IF WE CAN DEAL WITH TRAFFIC SOMEWHERE ELSE, WOULD THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON STAFFING NUMBER AS WELL? I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER VERY CRITICAL PIECE OF IT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO QUESTIONS ABOUT POLICING AND MOVE A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN POLICING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE AWAY FROM CAMERAS AND REMOTE. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL THANK YOU. I BELIEVE LMPD'S BUDGET IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE THIS YEAR BY 12%, GIVEN THAT NON-FATAL SHOOTINGS ARE DOWN 28% AND HOMICIDES ARE DOWN 33.3%. WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR GIVING MORE MONEY TO LMPD IF THE CURRENT LEVELS SEEM TO BE FIGHTING CRIME JUST FINE, I UNDERSTAND THAT NUMBER IS NOT ZERO AND THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO GET IT TO, I GUESS, DOWN 100%. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING AT WHAT POINT DO WE SHIFT MONEY FROM LMPD'S BUDGET TO ANCILLARY OFFICES, SUCH AS THE OFFICE FOR VIOLENCE PREVENTION? BECAUSE ISN'T THAT THE GOAL TO BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE? YES, MA'AM. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET REQUEST, THERE ARE NO NEW CONTRACTS, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL THAT WE'RE WE'RE REQUESTING. THESE ARE YEAR OVER YEAR IN COST INCREASE IN BOTH CONTRACTS AND PERSONNEL. SO AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE BUILT IN A I'M SURE I'LL GET A QUESTION ABOUT IT, ABOUT HOW WE HAVE A $2 MILLION PROJECTED REDUCTION IN OVERTIME COST. AND THAT IS ABOUT OVERTIME MANAGEMENT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE OUT THERE AND WE HAVE TO FILL THESE GAPS, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE PRIMARILY ON OVERTIME. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MANAGE THAT OVERTIME IN A MORE RESPONSIBLE WAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T COST AS MUCH. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT REQUESTING MORE STUFF OR MORE PEOPLE ABOVE WHAT WE WERE ALREADY GETTING. THIS IS JUST GENERAL COST INCREASE. IT'S VERY SCARY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IN MY OPINION, LMPD HAS HAD THE LOWEST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY ADULT COGNIZANT YEARS. MEET YOUR BEAT EVENTS HAVE CEASED. MY ADVISORY BOARD IS DISSOLVING UNDER MY NOSE. I HEARD THAT THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE MAJORS DON'T ATTEND THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION DINNER, AND FURTHERMORE, VOLUNTEERS HAVE TO PAY $15 A TICKET TO ATTEND THAT DINNER IN THEIR HONOR. MANY OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPPORT THEIR RESPECTIVE LMPD DIVISIONS WITH THINGS FROM MONEY, WITH THEIR LIMITED NSCF FUNDS FOR THINGS LIKE SHOP WITH THE COP, FLOCK CAMERAS AND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. HOW IS THIS BUDGET SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LMPD AND THE COMMUNITY? WELL, YES MA'AM, I'M 100% FIRM BELIEVER IN TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE INITIATIVES THAT I'VE TAKEN ON AND THROUGH THE HELP OF ASSISTANT CHIEF BURBRINK IS WE'RE DOING A COMPLETE REEVALUATION OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESSES

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AND OUR HOMELAND SECURITY UNIT DOES COMMUNICATE AND WORK WITH THEM, BUT WE HAVE NO DETAILS. WE HAVE NO OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THEM, AND WE HAVE NOT RECOVERED ANY FUNDS FROM THEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN OWEN. MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED FOR THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PURVIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW YOUR CLASSES THAT WILL BE GRADUATING SOON. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO ADD MORE OFFICERS TO FIRST AND SECOND DIVISION? YES, MA'AM. SO WE EVALUATE WHEN CLASSES ARE COMING OUT BASED ON THE VACANCIES THAT ARE OCCUR BECAUSE OF RETIREMENTS OR PEOPLE MOVING INTO SPECIALTY UNITS. AND COLONEL BURBRINK OVER A PATROL MAKES THOSE DECISIONS OF EXACTLY WHERE WHAT AMOUNT OF MANPOWER GOES BASED ON THE NEEDS OF EACH DIVISION. AND I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF CLASSES, WE'VE WEIGHED HEAVILY TOWARDS THE FIRST AND SECOND DIVISIONS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VACANCIES THERE ARE IN BOTH DIVISIONS? I CAN GET YOU THE VACANCIES EXACTLY. FOR EACH OF THE DIVISIONS. YES, MA'AM. THAT THAT WOULD HELP ME EXPLAIN TO CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT EITHER LACK OF OR NO RESPONSE AT ALL WHEN THEY CALL.

SO I TRY TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF PATROL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE ME OR THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. SO IF I CAN HAVE SOME CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH, MAYBE THEY WOULD BE UNDERSTANDING. BUT, YOU KNOW, I AM ASSURING THEM THAT YOU DO HAVE CLASSES GOING ON AND THAT WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO INCREASE THE PATROL IN BOTH DIVISIONS. I APPRECIATE THAT, MA'AM. AND WHILE WE DO FACE LEGITIMATE MANPOWER ISSUES, I WOULD NOT RELY ON THAT AS AN EXCUSE. AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICE THAT WE GIVE THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LINENGER, YOUR LAST QUESTION BEGAN QUITE THE CONVERSATION AND ACTUALLY ENDED UP LOOKING LIKE WE MIGHT FIND A WAY TO SQUIRREL AWAY SOME CASH IN THE BUDGET. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND WE'RE BACK IN QUEUE FOR YOU THREE. ASK ANOTHER GREAT ONE. YES, SIR. SO TYPICALLY WHAT I TRY TO DO IS CALL ON FOLKS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CALLED ON YET. COUNCILMAN LINENGER WAS THE FIRST PERSON WE CALLED ON. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE LONG LIST OF. I'M TO THE POINT WHERE FOLKS WHO HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ARE CLICKING BACK IN. I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL ON COUNCILMAN LINENGER. COUNCILMAN WINKLER, I'M. THEN YOU'RE NEXT IN THE QUEUE. YOU BET.

COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SORRY. COUNCILMAN BRASHER. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS WE HAVE SPENT 1.25 MILLION ON SHOTSPOTTER SINCE 2017. HOW MANY ARRESTS HAS THAT LED TO? I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT EXACT NUMBER. TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE FUNCTION WITH SHOTSPOTTER AND WHAT IT'S THERE FOR. THE DIRECT ARREST NUMBER IS NOT NECESSARILY THE BIGGEST BENEFIT OF SHOTSPOTTER. IT'S THE CONNECTION OF SCENE TO SCENE AND WEAPON TO WEAPON AND WEAPON TO SPECIFIC SCENES. SO WAS OFFICER RESPONDS TO A SHOTSPOTTER RUN. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF ME CATCHING YOU WITH A GUN IN YOUR HAND RESPONDING TO A SHOTSPOTTER RUN IS SLIM. AND WE

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BUT I CAN GET YOU THOSE DETAILS I. YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK IF IT'S OKAY. MEGAN METCALF WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. YES. THE SPECIFICS ON THAT. AND WHILE SHE COMES UP, JUST I HAVE GOTTEN YOUR ANSWER. WE'VE HAD 9293 CITATIONS YEAR TO DATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE MISS METCALF WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR US AT A LATER DATE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'LL. I'LL DROP OUT OF THE QUEUE FOR NOW. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, FOR LIMITING YOURSELF TO THREE. THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER ON ME UP FRONT. COUNCILMAN WINKLER. THANK YOU. CHIEF, I CANNOT REMEMBER. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT ENDED UP BEING IN THE BUDGET OR NOT, WHICH WAS AN ANALYSIS ON THE PROPER. YOU KNOW, WE KEEP GOING ON THE WHAT'S FULLY STAFFED NUMBER. BUT THAT LAST ANALYSIS I THINK WAS DONE IN LIKE 2012. WAS THAT IN THE BUDGET. AND HAVE WE DONE THAT ANALYSIS OR IS THAT ONGOING? YES, SIR. THAT'S ONGOING. THAT BEGAN ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, AND WE EXPECT IT TO BE DONE SOMETIME DURING THE SUMMER. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE REDUCTION IN THE SUPPLIES AND SAFETY EQUIPMENT BUDGET? IS THAT JUST STUFF MOVING AROUND THAT WE WAS HARD TO TRACK, OR IS IT ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN SAFETY EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. SO WE HAD BASICALLY TWO SAFETY EQUIPMENT BUDGET ITEMS THAT WE ONE COMBINED. BUT TWO WE HAD SOME SOME LARGE PURCHASES THAT HAD TO BE MADE OUT OF THAT BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT INCREASE CAME FROM. IN THE LAST YEAR. WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD ROLL OVER INTO THIS BUDGET YEAR, BUT WE WERE ABLE. TODD RICHARDSON, OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY OFFICER, DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF GETTING A LOT OF THAT STUFF IN BULK, THAT STUFF BEING THE HARD PLATES THAT THE RIFLE PLATES THAT EVERY OFFICER NOW HAS, AS WELL AS HELMETS THAT EVERY OFFICER NOW HAS. AND WE ANTICIPATED THAT THAT WOULD TAKE LONGER. BUT HE WAS ABLE TO WORK OUT A DEAL, GET IT FOR CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. AND I JUST AS A HEADS UP, THOSE ARE RECURRING COSTS. THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND HE IS WORKING ON A PLAN TO LESSEN THAT ONE TIME HIT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S MANAGED IN A LESS OBTRUSIVE WAY. PERFECT. CAN YOU ALL SEND US A DETAIL OF WHERE THE CAPITAL FUNDS FOR THE STATE AND FEDERAL FORFEITURE FUNDS ARE PLANNED? YES, SIR. OKAY. DID WE SELL THE HELICOPTER AND HOW MUCH DID WE GET FOR IT? I DON'T KNOW, OKAY. THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS A KEY TOPIC LAST YEAR, SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO GET THAT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION I KNOW A NEW HELICOPTER SHOULD COME ONLINE HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO MY LAST QUESTION RELATES TO THE CONSENT DECREE

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I THINK FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. I THINK IT IT ONE, IT LOOKS BETTER, BUT TWO, IT I THINK IT FUNCTIONS BETTER IF WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PRIMARILY GOING TO BE EVALUATED BY IT, THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE SELECTING THEM. COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW, TWO QUESTIONS. CHIEF, IF I'M GOING TO SAY A STATEMENT, JUST TELL ME IF IT'S TRUE OR FALSE, OKAY. IF LMPD ARRESTS A JUVENILE AND THAT JUVENILE NEEDS TO GO TO A FACILITY WHERE THE CW DOESN'T INTERFERE, DO THEY GO TO OUT OF COUNTY? YES, SIR. THEY GO TO ADAIR COUNTY. DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS IN IN CUSTODY WITH THAT JUVENILE FOR THE WHOLE TIME UNTIL HE'S DROPPED OFF? NOT ALL THE WAY UNTIL THEY GO TO ADAIR COUNTY. BUT WE DO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME HERE UNTIL THEY'RE PROCESSED WITH THE CW, AND THEN THEY'RE TRANSPORTED TO ADAIR COUNTY. IF THERE WAS A FACILITY HERE, WHICH WE'RE ALL HOPING ONE DAY HAPPENS, WOULD THAT HELP YOUR MAN? OUR SITUATION A LITTLE BIT, AT LEAST? ABSOLUTELY. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN THE MILITARY, I GOT A TICKET FROM A SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND WHY DOESN'T OUR SHERIFF IN THIS COUNTY, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE? COULDN'T THEY HELP YOU GUYS? LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SPLITTING UP. OTHER DUTIES? COULDN'T COULDN'T THE SHERIFF'S HELP? THEY HAVE ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT POWERS THAT THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY. I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL ORDERS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE DON'T. AND SO PRIMARILY, THAT'S TRADITIONALLY BEEN THE WAY THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY HAS WORKED. HOWEVER, THEY THEY DO ENFORCEMENT WORK AS WELL. SO I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR ANY ANSWERS ON THAT. WOULD IT WOULD IT HELP IF THEY TOOK ON SOME OF THE DUTIES? I WOULD NOT COMPLAIN.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. THANK YOU CHAIR I'LL GO AHEAD AND PASS. MY QUESTION'S ALREADY BEEN ASKED. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE. I WILL ALSO PASS.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HUDSON. SO I WANT TO ASK ABOUT ARP FUNDING. THERE'S JUST SOUTH OF HALF $1 MILLION LEFT TO BE SPENT WITHIN THE NEXT 5 TO 6 WEEKS. CAN YOU GIVE A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT WILL BE FULLY EXPENDED? YES. ALL OF OUR ARP FUNDING IS ACCOUNTED FOR AND WILL BE SPENT, BUT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR THAT IT HAS TO BE SPENT, BUT IT IS ALREADY ALLOCATED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. OKAY. IN THE FALL, METRO COUNCIL APPROVED A CONTRACT FOR $350,000 TO SIGMA SQUARED FOR A TOOL TO ANALYZE BIAS IN POLICE INTERACTIONS. WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM IN LMPD'S BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS? ASSUMING THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR. SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN FISCAL YEAR 25? YES IT WAS. IT WAS BUILT IN THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. YES, MA'AM. AND WHAT BUCKET OF MONEY? I JUST DON'T KNOW OF MANY DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE $350,000 KIND OF LAYING AROUND. SO THAT WAS IN OUR SOFTWARE BUDGET INITIALLY UNDER SAFETY SUPPLIES, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD PLANNED FOR EARLIER IN THE YEAR. SO SOME OF THESE BUDGETS MIGHT BE INFLATED. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. TALK TO THE LMPD HEADQUARTERS OCCURRED BEFORE MY TIME ON COUNCIL. SO THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A SUBJECT MATTER THAT WAS A HOT SUBJECT BACK IN THE DAY, BUT. WE RECENTLY LEARNED THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST $72 MILLION IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE BUILD OUT FOR THE AT&T BUILDING, WHICH WE PURCHASED LAST YEAR, WE APPROVED $5 MILLION IN THE BUDGET, AND I HAD ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS THE ENTIRE RENOVATION COST FOR THAT PROJECT. SO IT WAS VERY STARTLING TO ME TO DISCOVER THAT THE ACTUAL COST FOR THAT PROJECT

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THAT BEING SAID, I CAN GET YOU THE PLANS FROM FACILITIES ON EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING IN THERE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BELLS AND WHISTLES, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE A MODERN FACILITY WHERE WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS AND THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT CAN ACTUALLY WORK OUT OF ONE PLACE ON THE BACK END OF THAT. WHAT THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO IS MOVE THE FOURTH DIVISION OUT OF THE DIVISION IN CENTRAL PARK, WHERE IT'S BEEN A HEALTH HAZARD FOR 15 PLUS YEARS, AND THEY WILL MOVE OVER INTO THE EDISON CENTER. AND FOURTH DIVISION SERVES MOST OF MY DISTRICT. SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I DON'T LIKE GOING INTO THAT BUILDING, BUT I DO LIKE INTERACTING WITH MY OFFICERS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT PROJECT AND AGAIN, GET A JUSTIFICATION FOR $72 MILLION, BECAUSE THAT'S A LARGE SUM FOR RENOVATIONS. I COULD BUILD A WHOLE NEW FACILITY, PROBABLY 100% AGREE WITH YOU. AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY PROJECTS WHEN I BECAME AN ASSISTANT CHIEF IN 2021. AND I'M NOT IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS, SO I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN WHY THINGS HAVE EXPLODED IN COST AND CHANGED THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. SURE, I MIGHT QUIT AS A COUNCIL PERSON AND BECOME A CONTRACTOR FOR YOU, SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE WRONG BUSINESS. RIGHT? WELL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SAM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS. WE'RE USING MORE AND MORE FLOCKS. WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS FOR MORE AND MORE. MORE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE HAVING TO BUY THEM THROUGH OUR FUNDING RESOURCES. IS THERE ANY COMPETITION FOR FLOCK CAMERAS? ARE WE GETTING ANY DISCOUNTS? ARE WE GETTING ANY BULK OR MULTI PURCHASE RATES? IS THIS A MONOPOLIZED COMPANY. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS FLOCK REALLY DOES HAVE A CORNER ON THE MARKET. THAT BEING SAID I THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER. I DO THINK IT IS WORTH REAPPROACHING FLOCK, CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF CAMERAS THAT WE BUY AND THE BENEFIT THAT IT IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY TO SUPPLEMENT MANPOWER AND MAKE THINGS A LOT SAFER FOR PEOPLE, IT'S CLEARLY BECOME A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST UTILIZED TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE HAVE. ONE MORE QUESTION THEN WHO FUNDS THE CRAB, THE CIVIL CIVILIAN REVIEW AND ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD? IS THAT THE LMPD? NO, SIR. ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR THE $750,000 FOR ANOTHER ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISM? NO, SIR. THE THOSE WILL THOSE WILL TAKE ON TWO SEPARATE ROLES AND OVERSIGHT. ONE, THE MONITOR FOR THE COMMUNITY AGREEMENT IS SPECIFIC TO REPORTING OUT AND MONITORING AND EVALUATING OUR ABILITY TO ACHIEVE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGE DOCUMENT VERSUS THE ROLE OF THE CRAB AND OVERSIGHT. WHAT'S THE ROLE OF CRAB? EXCUSE ME? THE ROLE OF CRAB. SO THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. AS FAR AS APPROVING AND REVIEWING THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE INITIATED BY THAT OFFICE. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN. CHIEF, AS YOU ENTER INTO INTO THE CONVERSATIONS WITH FLOCK ABOUT THE COST, YOU MIGHT MAKE THEM AWARE. I'M SURE THEY ALREADY ARE, THAT THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE BREAKING INTO THIS MARKET THAT ARE VERY COMPETITIVE. OUR CHALLENGE, AS YOU KNOW, IS WE ALREADY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. AND SO WE'RE ALREADY DOWN THAT ROAD. THERE'S AN EXPENSE THAT WE'RE ALREADY INVOLVED IN AND IT'S CHALLENGING TO MOVE OUT. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE DONE.

AND THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE ANXIOUS TO HELP US DO THAT. I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE SWITCH NECESSARILY, BUT WE ARE IN A BETTER POSITION TODAY THAN WE WERE JUST THREE YEARS AGO. 100% AGREE. GREAT. THANK YOU. I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT WE WERE JOINED VIRTUALLY BY COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, RIGHT. AND IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, SO I APOLOGIZE. THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN INVOLVED IN THE MEETING FOR SOME TIME NOW. AS A MATTER OF FACT, COUNCILWOMAN

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THERE'S WORTHY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK, SO SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE IT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO GET FUNDING THROUGH YOU ALL IF YOU HAVE THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE. IF YOU HAVEN'T, JUST GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THE HELICOPTER EXPENDITURES AND THE MONIES FOR THE OFFICER INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE. YES, MA'AM. SO THE TOTAL COST ON THE HELICOPTER, I BELIEVE, WAS AROUND $4 MILLION. AND I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF AS FAR AS THE PURCHASE AND UPFIT OF THE HELICOPTER. AND LIKE I SAID, IT SHOULD BE FINISHED IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, I BELIEVE. AND I DID GET THE COST ON SELLING THE OLD HELICOPTER. WE GOT $225,000 FOR THAT. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE LIVING IN CERTAIN CENSUS TRACKS, THERE ARE NO OFFICERS THAT HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT PROGRAM.

AND HOW MUCH IS THAT IN THAT FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM? PLEASE, I CAN GET YOU THAT EXACT NUMBER, BUT OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE. VILLARROEL HAD SAID THAT SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO SEE HOW THAT MONEY COULD BE USED FOR GROUPS THAT ARE DOING MEANINGFUL WORK. ARE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT, OR IS THIS A DECISION YOU CAN MAKE? JUST WANT TO SEE HOW WE COULD. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR THOSE GROUPS TO GET CONNECTED TO WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, AND HELP EXPAND THE CAPACITY OF THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE THAT WORK IS ALSO ANTI-VIOLENCE WORK. YES, MA'AM. I'M WILLING TO TALK TO ANYBODY AND TAKE CONSIDERATIONS FROM FROM ANYONE. BUT AS FAR AS REALLOCATING THAT THAT MONEY, I'LL HAVE TO THINK. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. THANK YOU. I HAD SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS, BUT ONE OF THEM I DIDN'T HEAR ANY ANSWER ON AND THAT WAS, IS HAS ANY OF THE FUNDS THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE INCENTIVES FOR POLICE TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY? HAS HAS ANY OF THAT HAPPENED? NO, MA'AM. NO ONE HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT. NO ONE HAS MOVED. I BELIEVE THE STIPULATIONS ON IT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE A NEW HOMEOWNER MOVING INTO THAT CENSUS TRACT, AND NO ONE HAS HAS DONE THAT. OKAY. SO AS MUCH HOUSING AS WE NEED AND WE PUT MONEY INTO HOUSING, I'M SURE THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE OFFICERS IN SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES WITH ALL THIS MONEY WE'RE PUTTING IN HOUSING AND POLICE. SO YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN VACHON, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. CHIEF KERR, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. MY QUESTION IS, IS WE FROM MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I THINK WE'VE KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT HERE TODAY THAT WE USE OUR MDF FUNDS TO HELP SUPPORT THINGS LIKE FLOCK

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COUNCILMAN WINKLER, THANK YOU. CHIEF. THE LMPD, I BELIEVE, SITS ON OR IS A MEMBER OF THE SAFE LOUISVILLE PLAN TASK FORCE. RIGHT. THE SPECIFICALLY THE ONE ADDRESSING THE HIGH UTILIZERS.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO HAS THE WORK OF THAT WORK GROUP RESULTED IN REDUCTIONS IN THE NUMBER OF RUNS LMPD IS HAVING TO MAKE? AND CAN YOU QUANTIFY THAT? AND DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL CONTINUE? SO I, I, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS BECAUSE I'LL MESS IT UP OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT JUST RECENTLY I WENT TO ROLL CALL WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA PATROL, WHICH THAT'S BASED OUT OF OUR OFFICERS THAT WORK WITH THE HIGH UTILIZERS ARE BASED OUT OF. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ACTUALLY ASKED FOR WAS AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER OR TWO TO BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE BURDEN THAT IT HAS TAKEN OFF OF THEM. AND SO THEY ARE NOT JUST HELPING WITH OUR HIGH UTILIZERS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THEY ARE HELPING THE DROVES IN EVERY SINGLE DIVISION DEAL WITH THOSE HIGH UTILIZERS PERFECT. AND SO RELATED TO THAT, I'D ALSO ASK IF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE DEFLECTION WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AND WHETHER ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS THERE WOULD FURTHER LESSEN THE BURDEN ON OUR SWORN DUTY OFFICERS. YES, SIR. IT'S THERE'S BEEN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF RUNS THAT HAVE BEEN DEFLECTED THROUGH METRO SAFE AND DEFLECTION PROGRAM. AND NOW THAT IT IS 24 HOURS IN ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY, I THINK BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL HAVE REALLY GOOD DATA ON HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DEFLECTED. OKAY. THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS I KNOW IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET ADDRESS, IN THE EXECUTIVE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS, AND YOU STARTED TODAY TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO, HIGHLIGHTED A $2 MILLION REDUCTION IN OVERTIME. TELL ME WHAT I'M READING WRONG HERE. BECAUSE WHEN I READ THE BUDGET, I SEE A $5 MILLION INCREASE IN OVERTIME. I SHOW FY 25 NONSCHEDULED OVERTIME AT 17.2 MILLION, AND THE BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR THIS COMING IS 22.2 MILLION.

WHERE'S THE DISCREPANCY IN THE 2 MILLION REDUCTION VERSUS WHAT SEEMS TO BE A $5 MILLION INCREASE? YES, SIR. SO WHAT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? I BELIEVE OUR INITIAL BUDGET FOR UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME WAS 17 MILLION. AND AT THE MID-YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, WE WERE PROJECTED TO SPEND 24 MILLION. AND THAT WAS AT THE MID-YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. AND WE WERE ABLE TO CUT THAT DOWN TO NOW WHAT'S PROJECTED TO BE 22 MILLION. AND SO THAT'S THAT $2 MILLION GAP. AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE BASICALLY PUT A DIFFERENT EMPHASIS ON THE OVERSIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OVERTIME AND HOW WE'RE SPENDING IT, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE MANPOWER THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE ON OVERTIME IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE NEED, AND NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S AVAILABLE. OKAY, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THE AND JUST AS OF MARCH 31ST, WE ONLY SPENT 16 MILLION. SO WE WERE PROJECTING TO SPEND ANOTHER 8 MILLION IN THE LAST QUARTER. THAT'S BEEN REDUCED TO NOW ONLY SPENDING AN INCREMENTAL 6 MILLION. SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THE 2 MILLION SAVINGS IS IN THE FY 25, THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR'S BUDGET. AND IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A IT IS A SAVINGS FROM THE REVISED INCREASE IS I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF THINGS TO FOLLOW. BUT WE HAD A BUDGET, WE INCREASED IT. NOW WE DON'T NEED TO INCREASE IT AS MUCH. BUT THAT'S ALL THIS YEAR NOT REFLECTIVE OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET DOESN'T REFLECT A $2 MILLION REDUCTION FROM THE ORIGINAL FY 25 BUDGET. IT REFLECTS A $2 MILLION REDUCTION OF THE REVISED FY 25 BUDGET. CORRECT, SIR.

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THAT'S I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE PARTICULAR WITH THAT ONE. SO IT WAS BUDGETED $500,000. IT'S ENCUMBERED 381,000 ACTUALS YEAR TO DATE IS 118 079. AND ACTUALS L.T.D IS 118 079. WHY ARE THOSE THE SAME? AND WHY HASN'T IT BEEN SPENT? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M SORRY, I THINK I FOUND THE PAGE YOU'RE ON TO. OH, GOOD. THAT WOULD HELP. SO YEAH, IT'S THE ACTUALS. YEAR TO DATE IS $118,079. AND THE ACTUALS LIFE TO DATE IS 118 79. SO YOU WERE BUDGETED 500,000. IT'S ENCUMBERED 381. SO WHY IS THE YEAR TO DATE AND THE L L LIVE TO DATE THE SAME. AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE SPENDING THAT BEFORE THE START OF THE NEW FISCAL YEAR? I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT THAT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NOTHING LEFT REMAINING IN THAT BUDGET. I THINK YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LINES OF A SIMILAR PROJECT. SO EACH YEAR YOU GET LIKE A DIFFERENT APPROPRIATION TO IT. IF YOU'LL NOTICE LIKE REMAINING BUDGET SHOWS ZERO. SO AS THOSE ARE ADDED ON TO AND SPENT DOWN. SO THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I PROBABLY WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO GET YOU A RECONCILIATION. OKAY. BUT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ON THE FLY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S ON THIS REPORT, I MAY THE SAME THING FOR THE NEXT LINE THEN ALSO, COUNCILMAN, THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A BALANCE IS INDEX 130. THAT STARTED WITH $1 MILLION. THEY'VE ENCUMBERED 16,650, AND THEY HAVE REMAINING BALANCE OF 983,350. YEAH. SO DO WE INTEND ON HAVING HAVING THAT SPENT BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR THEN. YES, MA'AM. THOSE FUNDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ENCUMBERED. OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE? OKAY. COUNCILMAN. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY YOU SAW ANOTHER ONE IS ON LINE. 145, PUBLIC CAMERA INTEGRATION SYSTEM. AND SO THE ENCUMBRANCE IN THE REMAINING BUDGET ARE IDENTICAL ON THAT ONE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YES. SO THAT'S OUR FUNDS RELATED TO OUR PROGRAM. AND WHAT THAT IS, IS WHERE WE COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR REAL TIME CRIME CENTER BE ABLE TO ACCESS FOOTAGE FROM THEIR CAMERAS. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU AGAIN, CHAIR. SO, CAN CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE TOTAL AND SIMILAR TO COUNCILMAN JOSEPH'S QUESTION, WHAT THE TOTAL FUEL COSTS FOR LMPD ARE? NO, I CANNOT, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN FIND THAT OKAY FOR YOU. YEAH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE OVERTIME QUESTION BECAUSE I WHEN I'M LOOKING HERE IN THE BUDGET BOOK ON OVERTIME FOR NONSCHEDULED OVERTIME, WE HAD 17, 17.2 MILLION BUDGETED LAST YEAR AND ACTUAL SPENDING AS OF MARCH 31ST OF 16.1, 16.2 ROUNDING UP MILLION AND THEN SCHEDULED OVERTIME 631,000 AND JUST UNDER 10,000. YOUR DATE IS MARCH 31ST, AND I IMAGINE SOME OF THAT CAME IN DERBY. BUT THEN FOR BOTH, THE TOTAL FOR THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET IS 22.2 MILLION. SO THAT'S NOT A REDUCTION. THAT IS A 5 MILLION INCREASE. SO WHERE ELSE DO I NEED TO BE LOOKING? SO LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS A REDUCTION IN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED MID-YEAR OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO END UP AT BEFORE WE MADE SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR OVERTIME. OKAY. SO BUT BUT IN THE REQUESTED BUDGETS, THIS IS A 5 MILLION INCREASE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S REQUEST, LAST YEAR'S ACTUAL BUDGET OVERALL FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT NOT FROM LAST YEAR'S INITIAL BUDGET. YES, BUT

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I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU. CHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. MAYBE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN BACHON MADE AND THEN AND HOPEFULLY SUM THEM UP IN A POLICY THAT ALSO KIND OF TIES INTO SOME OF THIS OVERTIME. ALSO, THE DISCUSSIONS IN, FOR EXAMPLE, APPROPRIATIONS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE SEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER IT'S FLOCK, CAMERAS, OVERTIME OR THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. RIGHT. AND I WOULD PUT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THAT. AND WE JUST WE JUST HAD ONE RECENTLY. I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN HAWKINS WAS SPONSORING A LOT OF US THROUGH, THROUGH INTO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO KEEP DOING THAT IN A PIECEMEAL MANNER. AND I REMEMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILMAN BAKER WAS REQUESTING OVERTIME AS PART OF AN APPROPRIATION. I UNDERSTOOD THE INTENT AND SUPPORTED HIS INTENT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THE LMPD BUDGET ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, RIGHT? EVEN IF IT'S UNEXPECTED OVERTIME THAT'S NEEDED TO BE DONE. WE WANT IF WE IF ALL 26 COUNCIL MEMBERS START DOING THAT, THEN WE ACTUALLY START TO LOSE VISIBILITY AND MAYBE EVEN LOSE STRATEGY AROUND WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WHETHER WE CAN IF WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS THIS YEAR, LET'S MAKE THEM BEFORE WE PASS THIS. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AND THIS IS REALLY FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TOO. SO IF COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE HEY, I NEED OVERTIME, GREAT. GO TALK TO YOUR MAJOR AND GO GET SOME OVERTIME.

BUT YOU KNOW, FUNDING IT INDIVIDUALLY OUT OF OUR MDF ACCOUNTS OR, YOU KNOW, REALLY BECOMES A SORT OF DISJOINTED, WEIRD THING AND I THINK ACTUALLY TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT THE PURPOSE OF MDF FUNDING IS. SO, SO YEAH, I MEAN, IF, IF WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT THIS YEAR TO ACCOUNT FOR THE THINGS THE DIFFERENT PATROL DIVISIONS NEED TO DO, COMMUNITY OUTREACH OR TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF OVERTIME. I DON'T THINK OVERTIME IS THE ISSUE. BUT THEN THEN LET'S IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO US BEFORE WE HAVE TO DO THE FINAL BUDGET VOTE, GREAT. IF YOU THINK YOU CAN ABSORB IT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET BY MOVING MONEY AROUND, THAT'S ALSO FINE. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE JUST. SO DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY? LIKE HOW WE'VE DONE THESE SEPARATE THINGS AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT THROUGH THE LMPD BUDGET MOVING FORWARD. YES SIR. THAT MAKES SENSE OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. OKEYDOKE. JUST ONE FOR DIVISIONS ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR HAVE A TOTAL OF 88% OF YEAR TO DATE NON-FATAL SHOOTINGS. THESE SAME FOUR DIVISIONS TOTAL 79.92% OF YEAR TO DATE HOMICIDES. I ACKNOWLEDGE THIS ISN'T REPRESENTATIVE OF OTHER METRICS, SUCH AS TRAFFIC STOPS OR OTHER CRIMES LIKE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BURGLARIES, OR ROBBERIES. BUT I WAS WONDERING, IS FUNDING AND WORKFORCE DISTRIBUTED EVENLY AMONG ALL EIGHT DIVISIONS? AND DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WORKFORCE AND BUDGET FOR EACH DIVISION? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSIVE THAN OTHERS. YOU'RE 100% CORRECT IN THAT CRIME IS NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED, NEITHER IS MANPOWER. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE BALANCES THAT WE ARE ALWAYS FACING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES MANPOWER REDISTRIBUTION DIFFICULT IS WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT. YES. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTRICTS ONE, PARTICULARLY DISTRICTS ONE, TWO AND FOUR, THOSE ARE SMALLER URBAN DISTRICTS. SO GOING FROM POINT A TO POINT B TAKES A LOT LESS TIME THAN IT DOES IN THE SEVENTH DIVISION OR THE EIGHTH DIVISION, WHERE YOUR OFFICER PER SQUARE MILE MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN HOW LONG IT TAKES

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APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU CHAIR. CHIEF, WE'VE I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT I WANTED TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF VISIBILITY INTO THE DRONE PROGRAM. WE WE'VE I KNOW WE'VE FUNDED THAT THROUGH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND IT'S IN FIRE. AND SO I WONDERED, ONE OF THE THINGS FOR US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FOR ME IN PARTICULAR, THAT JUST SENDS ME THROUGH THE ROOF, ARE THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE RIDING AROUND ON DIRT BIKES AND MOTORIZED BIKES AND PACKS AND DOING WHEELIES DOWN THE STREET AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. AND I KEEP ASKING ABOUT THE DRONE PROGRAM AND SAYING, IS IT UP AND RUNNING AND ITS EFFECTIVENESS. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE DRONE PROGRAM AS IT RELATES TO YOUR ALL'S ENFORCEMENT LMPD'S ENFORCEMENT? AND IS THERE VISIBILITY INTO THAT DRONE PROGRAM IN THIS BUDGET FOR YOU GUYS, OR IS IT ALL IN FIRE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? OKAY, SO MULTI-PART QUESTION. YES, SIR. SO I DON'T I DON'T LIKE THE PACE OF WHERE DRONE PROGRAM WAS COMPARED TO WHERE IT IS. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE FURTHER ALONG IN TRAINING PILOTS AND GETTING DRONES OUT THERE IN THE STREET. AND SO WE HAVE. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. I THINK HALF OF OUR CONVERSATIONS ARE ABOUT THIS VERY, THIS VERY ISSUE. AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REEVALUATING OUR INTERNAL DRONE PROGRAM. AND COLONEL BURBANK HAS TAKEN THE LEAD IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A FUNCTIONAL INTERNAL DRONE PROGRAM. PART OF THAT IS A MANAGEMENT ISSUE. AND ALL TRANSPARENCY IS NOT WANTING TO ADD A SERGEANT. CREATE A UNIT FOR ONE SERGEANT TO NOT ACTUALLY SUPERVISE ANYBODY EXCEPT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF. SO WE'RE

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JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION FOR MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL, AS WELL AS MAYBE DIRECTION FOR CHIEF, JUST TO GIVE A SENSE, BECAUSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE LOOKED INTO THIS OF HOW DIFFERENT THESE PATROL DIVISIONS ARE STAFFED. THE EIGHTH DIVISION, WHICH COVERS MY DISTRICT VERSUS THE FIRST, FIRST DIVISION, WHICH COVERS A LARGE PART OF THE WEST END OF THE CITY, HAS A TEN X POLICE OFFICERS PER CAPITA DIFFERENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S TEN TIMES MORE OFFICER PER PERSON IN THE FIRST DIVISION THAN THERE IS IN THE EIGHTH.

THAT'S THE MOST EXTREME. TWO EXAMPLES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND. AND TN ALL THE OTHER DIVISIONS COME IN BETWEEN THAT. SO MY ASK IS, AS YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THAT THAT PRESENTATION, IT NOT JUST BE RAW NUMBERS BY DIVISION, BUT ALSO WHAT ARE THE POPULATIONS IN THOSE DIVISIONS.

I THINK THAT WOULD HELP DEMONSTRATE HOW DIFFERENT, YO KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, CHIEF, THAT YOU'RE PUTTING POLIC OFFICERS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITY IS WHERE THE DEMD IS, RIGHT, AND YOU'RE REACTING TO TH. SO THA YOUE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUIL RD.

CO H QUOND W G T FECTOURALANCE SHEET OR IS AT DIFFERENT BALANCE SHEET. YES. SO THAT'S THAT'S BUILT IN OUR PERSONNEL COST OF WHAT GOES INTO THE. SO THAT SHOULD BE REDUCING EACH YEAR. RIGHT. OR MAYBE IN THE FUTURE I LEAVE THAT UP TO OMB TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS. EXACTLY. SO THE PENSION RATE HAS DECREASED THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND THE RATES ARE DIFFERENT FOR BOTH HAZARDOUS EMPLOYEES AND NON HAZARDOUS. AND WE PRESENTED ON THAT DURING THE OVERVIEW. BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THE RATES. OKAY I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND THEN THE LAST ONE CHIEF JUST JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THE PENSION CHANGES THAT HAD HAPPENED IN OH THREE AND OH EIGHT. DO YOU SEE THAT IT HAS AFFECT YOUR I MEAN, IT OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY HAS YOUR MANPOWER ANECDOTALLY I WOULD SAY YES, THAT IS I WOULD LOVE TO GET BACK TO A DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION SYSTEM. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN REED. THANK YOU, MR.

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THERE WAS A RATHER ROBUST CONVERSATION AROUND THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE MEETING, AND. I'M SORRY. NO, NO. IT'S FINE. I'M. I WOULD SIMPLY POINT OUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF YOUR QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED MORE COMPLETELY THERE. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. YES. VERY QUICKLY, YOU'VE GOT YOU MENTIONED YOUR 30 BY 30 INITIATIVE IN THERE TO INCREASE FEMALE REPRESENTATION. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE AT METRO COUNCIL CAN DO TO HELP GET THAT? BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE EVERYBODY REPRESENTED ON THERE AND TO HAVE THE FEMALE PERSPECTIVE. SO HOW CAN WE HELP YOU WITH THAT? OUR FEMALE APPLICANTS ARE UP ABOUT 8.5% SO FAR YEAR TO DATE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PART OF WHAT WE DESIRE. I AM OPEN TO ANY AND ALL IDEAS, RECOMMENDATION AND HELP WHEN IT COMES TO MANPOWER ACQUIRING MORE APPLICANTS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR MANPOWER SITUATION, IT'S NOT ABOUT TARGETING SPECIFIC A SPECIFIC GROUP. IT'S ABOUT GETTING MORE APPLICANTS. OVERALL, THE VAST MAJORITY OF APPLICANTS THAT WE TAKE DO NOT QUALIFY. WE TAKE A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT THAT APPLY. SO WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY. PERIOD. WHY ARE MOST OF THEM NOT QUALIFYING? WELL, I CAN PROBABLY GET YOU A BREAKDOWN ON WHERE THEY ALL DROP OUT. A LOT OF THEM JUST FAIL TO SHOW UP. A LOT OF THEM FAIL THE PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST. AND THEN WE HAVE A PRETTY RIGOROUS BACKGROUND PROCESS THAT MANY GET ELIMINATED THROUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WINKLER. CHIEF, I WAS GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF COUNCILMAN REED'S QUESTION AND JUST ASK SPECIFICALLY, GIVEN SOME OF THE GENERAL FUNDIGET SPECIFICALLY, BUT AROUND USING I. CAN YOU TALK AT ALL ABOUT ANY AI INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE POLICE FORCE OR, AND MAYBE THIS IS A LONGER DISCUSSION FOR A FUTURE DAY AT A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, BUT I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS WHERE THAT'S HEADED AND IF WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.

BUDGETARILY. NO, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT. BUDGETARILY ONE OF THE THIS IS A HUGE CONVERSATION NATIONALLY AMONGST POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND HOW TO USE AI. SOME OF THE PLACES THEY'RE GOING IS AUTOMATED REPORT TAKING THROUGH AI AND REVIEW, VIDEO REVIEW AND REDACTION THROUGH AI. AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT IN ALL HONESTY, I'M I'M A LITTLE HESITANT AND A LOT OF THOSE PLACES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE CASE LAW ON IT. SO I'LL LET IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS. I'LL LET SOME OTHER AGENCIES BE THE TEST DUMMIES THAT END UP IN THE SUPREME COURT. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS JOB MUCH MORE EFFICIENT WHEN IT COMES TO A LOT OF THOSE JUST TIME CONSUMING THINGS. COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, THANKS, CHAIR. HOW MANY OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WITH STATIONARY JOBS GOT CRUISERS? EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. OKAY. HOW MANY OF YOUR HOW MANY OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WITH STATIONARY JOBS HAVE CRUISERS? I CAN GET YOU A BREAKDOWN ON TAKE HOME VEHICLES AND WHERE WHERE THEY'RE ASSIGNED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS. THE TRAINING BUDGET INCLUDES TAKING RECRUIT CLASSES TO LIKE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MUSEUM.

I'M JUST USING THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE ANY OF THAT SHOWED ANY EVIDENCE OF REDUCING BIAS? I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A. QUANTITATIVELY MEASURABLE STAT THAT I COULD GIVE YOU. BUT I CAN

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GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS. COUNCILWOMAN MCCARTNEY HAS BEEN WITH US THE WHOLE TIME AND IS NOW IN THE QUEUE. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER A FEW FOLKS. EVERYONE I'M SKIPPING OVER. COUNCILWOMAN HAS ALREADY SPOKEN. SO YOU'RE NOT CUTTING LINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M EXCITED TO KNOW THAT I GET TO SKIP. ALTHOUGH YOU JUST TOLD ME I DIDN'T GET TO SKIP. BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, LAPD. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT IF SOMEONE SAID TO YOU, WE CANNOT APPROVE THIS ENTIRE BUDGET. WHERE DO YOU SEE A LOGICAL CUT? THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY LOADED QUESTION, MA'AM. I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

I MEAN, I MEAN, IN ALL HONESTY THAT WE'VE WE'VE REALLY. WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO REDUCE COSTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHELLING OUT A LOT IN OVERTIME TO FILL SPOTS, THAT OF OFFICERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE. I MEAN, WE COULD I THINK WE COULD EXPLORE THOSE UNFILLED PERSONNEL COST SPOTS. BUT I THINK IT'S THAT'S ALSO A QUESTION FOR OMB AND HOW THEY, THEY PLAN ON THOSE UNFILLED SPOTS. WE AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND CUT SOME OF THOSE SPOTS AS WELL THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THE BOOKS UNFILLED AS WELL. THANK YOU. WE WILL GO THROUGH OMB TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE LOGICAL, THAT MAKE SENSE. AND WE'RE DOING THIS FOR EVERYONE.

SO DON'T FEEL THAT YOU'RE BEING PICKED ON. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SAM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE QUESTION, DOES THE BUDGET REFLECT THE SHORTAGE OF OFFICERS WE HAVE? YES, SIR. WHEN I FIRST TOOK OFFICE, I HEARD THAT WE WERE SHORT. UP TO A THOUSAND OFFICERS PER CAPITA. COULD YOU? WHAT IS OUR OFFICER PER CAPITA WHEN IT COMES TO COMPARING OTHER MAJOR CITIES? SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO OTHER MAJOR CITIES, THAT WE ARE ON THE LOWER END PER CAPITA. BUT THERE'S ALSO A COMPARISON TO THE TO THE METRO AND THE CRIME RATE. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR DOING A STUDY OF OUR MANPOWER, SO THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTOOD HOW WE STACK UP. AND SO WHEN DID YOU DO THE STUDY ON THE MANPOWER? THAT'S THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED DURING THE SUMMER. THAT'S THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT COULD IT COULD BE CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN THE 250 THAT WE'RE CLAIMING RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. IT VERY WELL COULD BE. AND SO THAT BUDGET COULD WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT MORE. WELL, I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO THINK ABOUT MORE. BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE PEOPLE THROUGH THE DOORS FIRST. YEAH WELL THAT TOO. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HERNDON. THANK YOU SIR. REGARDING THE COMMENT ABOUT DENSITY PER OFFICERS PER POPULATION DENSITY OFFICERS PER POPULATION, CERTAIN DISTRICTS IS THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS WHY PEOPLE NEED YOUR SERVICES, BUT IS ONE OF THEM OR A PRIMARY ONE. JUST SIMPLE DENSITY THAT IF 100 PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS AREA, 100 PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS MUCH AREA IS JUST THE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER. DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY, I WOULD THINK INCREASE THE CHANCES OF CONFLICT IN OTHER IN OTHER THINGS, AND THEREFORE YOUR SERVICES NEEDED IS THAT I WOULD I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MAYBE AN OVERLY SIMPLE, SIMPLE WAY OF, OF PUTTING IT, BUT GENERALLY, YES. AND THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT. THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE. IF I LIVE BY MYSELF AND I LIVE BY MY FAMILY, THE CHANCES OF CONFLICT ARE NOT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I KNOW. THAT'S I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU TAKE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE OF A, OF A VERY DENSE CITY LIKE BOSTON THAT HAS A VERY LOW CRIME RATE, THEY ARE AN EXTREME OUTLIER VERSUS IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE END OF MEMPHIS, IS NOT A EXTREMELY DENSE CITY, BUT THEY HAVE MORE THAN TWICE THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAN WE DO BECAUSE

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THE OTHER THING THAT IS TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, THERE'S A STRENGTH COACH THAT IS PART OF THAT, AND THAT STRENGTH COACH WORKS WITH RECRUITMENT AND PARTICULARLY RACHEL ARROYO, ONE OF OUR OFFICERS AND RECRUITMENT, WHO WORKS WITH POTENTIAL RECRUITS ON DEVELOPING PROGRAMS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN FOR THE PT TEST IN ORDER TO GET THEM THROUGH THE DOOR. SO IT'S NOT JUST SHOW UP AND TAKE THE TEST. OUR RECRUITMENT STAFF WORKS WITH THEM THROUGH OUR WELLNESS CENTER IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'S GREAT TO KNOW, BECAUSE YOU REALLY DO HAVE TO TRAIN AND HAVE ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT ON. AND I KNOW THAT WE WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN I TOOK IT WITH THE CINCINNATI POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THOSE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU'RE RECRUITING, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE 3 TO 6 MONTHS TO PREPARE, TO BE ABLE TO PASS THAT, BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING DISQUALIFIED FOR THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON TOGETHER. SO THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINDINGER. YEAH, JUST ONE MORE ONE. SORRY, EVERYBODY. IT WAS SORT OF A FOLLOW UP TO COUNCILMAN HERNDON'S QUESTIONS ABOUT DENSITY. WHEN YOU COMPARE BOSTON AND MEMPHIS, FOR EXAMPLE. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EXTREMES THERE IN THOSE COMPLICATING FACTORS, YOU'D PROBABLY SAY THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOUSEHOLD WEALTH, EDUCATION ATTAINMENT, GENERAL DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY OF LIFE, MAYBE HOUSING. OH, THERE'S A THERE ARE A TON OF FACTORS IN POLICING IS ONLY ONE OF THEM. RIGHT. SO MIGHT BE MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF ROOT CAUSES. WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO THEN I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY NEED INVESTMENTS IN SOLVING THOSE ROOT CAUSES OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE. RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, I HAVE TO SAY, COUNCILMAN PARRISH. RIGHT. IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN ASKING SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, WHICH LEAVES ME WITH ONLY THREE, WHICH PROBABLY MAKES YOU SOMEWHAT HAPPY. I'M LOOKING

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YES, SIR. SO THAT'S RESTITUTION FOR DAMAGE TO VEHICLES AND ACCIDENTS THAT WERE NOT AT FAULT FOR. AND THAT ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE FLEET BUDGET, NOT TO US. SO THERE IS STILL A NUMBER SOMEWHERE. IT'S JUST NOT IN YOUR BUDGET ANYMORE. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO WE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK WHEN IT WAS IN FLEET. MR. JACKSON, IS IT I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO FLEET AGAIN. IS THAT WHERE IT IS? IS IT IN FLEET? THAT'S CORRECT. IT WILL BE IN FLEET'S BUDGET. SO A DIRECT QUESTION TO THEM WOULD BE OKAY, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM THEN. THANK YOU. NO, WE ARE NOT DOING A CALL BACK. THIS WILL BE A SIMPLE REACH OUT. SO I'M ALSO WONDERING ABOUT. AND CHIEF, I'D HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT WITH THIS ONE, BUT HERE GOES. WORKDAY HAS NOT BEEN THE MOST FUN THING FOR US TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND AND WORK WITH. WHERE ARE WE IN IN TRYING TO STRUGGLE THROUGH THE PROBLEMS THAT THAT'S CREATED FOR US. SO IN THE MORNING I TAKE TYLENOL, IN THE AFTERNOON I TAKE ADVIL. WELL, THAT MAY CHANGE MY APPROACH, THANK YOU. BUT IN ALL HONESTY, SARAH MCNULTY IS OUR NEW HR DIRECTOR AND SHE HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THAT SYSTEM OPERATES. AND I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME PRETTY GOOD PROGRESS BECAUSE SHE CAME TO OUR LAST STAFF MEETING AND SAID, WE ARE NOT UTILIZING IT AS AS GOOD AS WE SHOULD. AND SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF OUR HEADACHES IN LMPD GET, GET TAKEN CARE OF IN THE COMING MONTHS WITH WORKDAY. GREAT. THANK YOU.

I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THOUGH. NO. WELL, FOR YOUR SAKE AND OURS, I HOPE THAT SHE'S GOT A LINE ON THIS. IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING. AND THEN THE LAST ONE I HOPE IS EASIER, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WILL BE. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT SAFETY EQUIPMENT AND SAFETY SUPPLIES. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST WE'VE MOVED THEM AROUND IN THE BUDGET TO A DIFFERENT PLACE, BUT YOU WERE AT $983,080 IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET LAST YEAR, AND FOR THIS YEAR'S RECOMMENDED, IT'S DOWN AT 200,000. SO IT'S A REDUCTION OF 465,000. AND THEN I LOOK AT SAFETY AND SAFETY, SAFETY AND SECURITY EQUIPMENT. THAT WAS UP ALMOST 2 MILLION. IT WAS 1.91 MILLION. AND THIS YEAR IT'S IN AT 733, A REDUCTION OF 1.2 MILLION. SHOULD I BE LOOKING IN ANOTHER LINE SOMEWHERE OR ARE WE JUST NOT BUYING SAFETY EQUIPMENT ANYMORE. NO. SOME OF THAT IS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY. AND WE GOT A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT ARE GOING TO BE RECURRING COSTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT RECURRING EVERY YEAR. THEY'RE FIVE YEAR REPLACEMENT COST. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT COME UP IN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO GOOD. SO THAT IS ACTUAL SAVINGS. YES, SIR. SOME OF IT IS AND SOME OF IT IS JUST RECOMBINING BUDGET ITEMS. IT'S BEING BOUGHT BY THE SAME, SAME UNITS. RIGHT. SO WE MAY SEE IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I'M HEARING YOU SAY IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE. YES, SIR. BUT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET REDUCTION. GREAT. THANK YOU. STILL SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. THOSE WERE MY THREE QUESTIONS. BEINGS NO ONE ELSE IS IN THE. THIS HEARING IS OFFICIALLY CONCLUDED.

WE'RE A FEW MINUTES EARLY. WE WILL BE STARTING THE PUBLIC SESSION AT PRECISELY SIX. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 40 MINUTES. GO GRAB SOME TYLENOL AND WE'LL GET BACK AT

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