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          GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M COUNCILMAN KEVIN CRAMER, CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED BY 
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MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN MARKUS WINKLER. IT IS RIGHT AT 302 ON MAY 20TH. OUR FIRST MEETING 
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TODAY WILL BE WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSETS. WELCOME TO THE FOURTH DAY OF BUDGET HEARINGS. 
          TAKE A LOOK AROUND THE ROOM. I'M JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN PARKER, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, 
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COUNCILMAN HUDSON, COUNCILMAN BRATCHER, COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS, COUNCILMAN. BENSON. COUNCILMAN. 
          OWEN. COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN RENA WEBBER. AND COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. OTHERS MAY BE JOINING US DIRECTLY. OH, AND COUNCILMAN LEININGER. AND THEN I'M JOINED ALSO ONLINE BY COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE AND COUNCILWOMAN BAST. I BELIEVE THAT'S EVERYBODY. AGAIN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WATCH. 
          CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE RECORD TO REFLECT THE MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT OR CALLS TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A LOT A LOT TO DISCUSS TODAY. 
          WELCOME, COUNCILMAN JJ, WE'RE GOING TO AT SOME POINT, COUNCILMAN JOSEPH IS GOING TO BE LIKE POINTING OUT THAT HE HAS THE LAST NAME AND ALSO, COUNCILMAN HERNDON, WE HAVE A 
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LOT TO DISCUSS TODAY, AND WE'LL START WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSETS FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY WITH EXTERNAL AGENCY PANELS, AND FINISH WITH A CALL BACK FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU'LL REMEMBER LAST WEEK AS A REMINDER, PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSETS WILL NOT BE MAKING OPENING COMMENTS, AND WE WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONS. THEY HAVE PROPOSED A $68.1 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET AND $122 MILLION FOR CAPITAL BUDGET. 
          BEFORE I JUMP IN WITH THEM, I WILL REMIND THE MY COLLEAGUES THAT THAT WE HAVE IN THE LAST NOT TWO FEW MEETINGS HAD LOTS AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE LIMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO 2 OR 3 SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE. ONCE YOU'VE ASKED YOUR THIRD QUESTION, YOU CAN CLICK BACK INTO THE SYSTEM. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP, I DON'T COUNT THAT AS ONE OF YOUR THREE. BUT IF YOU ASK FOR IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UPS, THEN THAT COUNTS AS ONE OF YOUR THREE. DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE? OKAY, SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. WELCOME, DIRECTOR. MR. KERN, LET ME START BY ASKING ABOUT THE 32 NEW POSITIONS BEING REQUESTED IN THE FY 26 BUDGET. LAST YEAR, THIS COUNCIL APPROVED ADDING FOUR NEW POSITIONS TO SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT. WHY ARE THESE POSITIONS NECESSARY AND WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH BY ADDING THEM? SO THE 32 NEW POSITIONS ARE WITHIN OUR SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND THE INITIATIVE IS TO GO ALL IN ON CLEAN AND TO APPROACH OVERALL CLEANLINESS IN A WAY THAT WE HAVEN'T EVER HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE GO OUT TO DO OPERATIONS, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE ESSENTIALLY ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL. SO IF WE OUTDO OURSELVES IN ONE WAY, IT MEANS THAT SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO SUFFER. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY A SUSTAINABLE WAY TO GO ABOUT CLEANLINESS. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE MORE LITTER CLEAN UPS, MORE ENFORCEMENT GENERALLY. THAT IS THE INTENT FOR THE ADDITIONAL NEW POSITIONS. AND WE CAN GO INTO MUCH FURTHER DETAIL IF WE NEED TO ON THAT. OKAY. 
          COUNCILMAN WINKLER, THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, I'VE GOT MAYBE I COULD ASK A QUICK FOLLOW UP TO THAT ONE BEFORE I GET INTO MY QUESTIONS, WHICH IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPEN POSITIONS ALREADY, SO CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO YOUR CONFIDENCE TO FILL THOSE INCREMENTAL POSITIONS ON TOP OF THE, I THINK, ALMOST 90 OPENINGS THAT YOU HAVE? RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE MANY RECS TO HIRE OVER. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE STARTING WITHIN THE DOT IN JUNE. WE DO FACE SOME CHALLENGES THAT I THINK OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO NOT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CDL DRIVERS THAT WE HAVE. AND THERE ARE SOME NUANCES WITHIN HOW HOW DRUG TESTING, MEDICAL CARDS, BACKGROUND CHECKS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS GO INTO LEAD TIME TO GETTING POSITIONS FILLED. WE DO HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE WILL GET POSITIONS FILLED. WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE, IN TWO WEEKS ON OUR TURNOVER AND VACANCIES. WE DO. OUR HR TEAM DOES A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF RECRUITING, AND THERE ARE SOME STRATEGIES THAT WE WANT TO START DOING ADVERTISING DIFFERENTLY FOR POSITIONS, CREATING LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS, EVEN WITHIN OUR OUR OWN GROUPS, TO RETAIN PEOPLE AND TO GIVE THEM A PATH FORWARD. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INITIATIVES WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HIRE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. SO THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOT, FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE YOU SENT TO OUR BUDGET ANALYSTS AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET ON THE RECORD THAT THERE WAS AN OMISSION IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR SIGNS, MARKINGS AND GUARDRAILS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S REQUEST THAT WE PUT IN $5 MILLION FOR THOSE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY? CERTAINLY IN THE 5 MILLION IS. OKAY. YES. SO $5 MILLION WOULD 
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COVER SIGNS AND MARKINGS, GUARDRAIL REPAIR, BRIDGE AND RETAINING WALLS, OR THE 5 MILLION THAT WERE ACCIDENTALLY OMITTED. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL BUDGET CYCLES, YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT THESE ITEMS TEND TO BE AT THE VERY TOP. THEY ARE CRITICAL TO THE CORE FUNCTIONS THAT WE PROVIDE. SO THAT IS THE REQUEST. YES. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS NUMBER AT THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, IF YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE COMMITTEE LATER ON, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CURRENT STATE OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE GOT, SORT OF SITTING IN THE COFFERS AND READY TO DEPLOY, AND WHAT OUR BURN RATE OF THAT MONEY WILL BE, OR WE EXPECT TO BE FOR THIS YEAR. YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE BILL MATCH DOLLARS. WE DO HAVE A FULL REPORT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. 
          THAT THAT WE CAN BREAK DOWN. AND YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS. THERE ARE A COUPLE CAPITAL PROJECTS YOU WILL SEE NOTED UNDER THE PROJECTS, WHERE THEY'RE LISTED BY NUMBER THAT INDICATE THAT THEY'LL MATCH. FUNDING IS BEING HELD OUT FOR THOSE PROJECTS, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE THAT DETAILED REPORT. THANK YOU. AND JUST AS ONE CLARIFYING, WE'VE RECEIVED THAT WE FRONTED THAT MONEY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEN WE EXPENDED OR DOES THAT WORK ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS? IS OH, I CAN ANSWER. SO TYPICALLY THE GRANTS THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH BILL ARE THEY'RE NOT A FULL AWARD. SO WE RECEIVE WE RECEIVE FUNDING. YES. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE A LOCAL MATCH. SO THAT IS THE INTENT OF THOSE LOCAL MATCH DOLLARS TO EITHER MATCH GRANTS OR IN CASES WHERE WE'RE GOING THANKFULLY, TO CONSTRUCTION WITH THE COST INCREASES THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH CONSTRUCTION FUNDING USING TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE. YES. SO MY QUESTION IS LESS ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO DO AND MORE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY FROM BILL DO WE HAVE IN THE BANK AND WHAT IS OUR BURN? WHAT DO WE EXPECT THE BURN RATE ON THAT CAPITAL, TO BE SURE? ANGELA DUNN OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT BUDGET CFO SO THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY $26 MILLION APPROPRIATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR THE MATCH. THAT MONEY HAS CONTINUED TO STAY IN THE BANK. IT'S EARNING INTEREST. DON'T HAVE THE EXACT, YOU KNOW, RATE SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, BUT IT IS, SINCE THOSE ARE OUR OWN GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR MATCH. IT'S IN WITH THE REST OF THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S NOT SET ASIDE LIKE ARP DOLLARS NECESSARILY, WHERE IT'S EARNING, YOU KNOW, INTEREST. AND WE'RE TRACKING IT SEPARATELY. 
          BUT THOSE DOLLARS HAVE CONTINUED TO SIT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF I KNOW WHAT WE'VE APPROPRIATED AND WHAT'S LEFT TO BE APPROPRIATED IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULE THAT'S BEEN SET OUT. 
          I'VE SORT OF ALLUDED TO OR MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY IN THE REVENUE PRESENTATION. I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO SOMEWHERE AROUND 6 MILLION. MAYBE THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED FOR A PURPOSE. 
          NOT EVERYTHING'S BEEN APPROPRIATED AT THIS POINT. IS THAT. NO. MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH? SO I UNDERSTAND WE'VE ALLOCATED 22 MILLION OF LOCAL MATCH. MY QUESTION IS, THE OTHER 80% OF THE FEDERAL MONEY, DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WRITE US A CHECK FOR THAT 80 MILLION, THAT 80%. AND WE'VE GOT IT SITTING IN THE BANK OR AS WE APPROVE THE PROJECT REIMBURSEMENT, THEN, OKAY, THAT WAS THE QUESTION. IS IT REIMBURSEMENT BASED? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PURVIS. MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS SWIM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION. NO I DON'T THINK WE SPLIT THEM OUT. WE DO NOT HAVE PRESENTATIONS TODAY AS REQUESTED OKAY. NO I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO SWIMS POSITION EVERY TIME I HAVE TO CALL THEM AND NOTIFY THEM ABOUT ILLEGAL DUMPING. THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO KNOW IS, ARE WE LOOKING AT PUTTING MORE TECHNOLOGY IN THESE ALLEYS TO CAPTURE THESE DUMPSTERS? I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, IT WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF OF SWIM, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE DUMPERS ARE DUMPING BEHIND PEOPLE, ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE NOT CAPABLE OF CLEANING UP. 
          THEY'RE DUMPING LARGE ITEMS AND FURNITURE. AND THEN WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES IN ONE BLOCK, AND HE KIND OF CANVASSES LIKE 3 OR 4 HOUSES IN THIS CONSTANT DUMPING. AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE'RE LOOKING IF YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO PUTTING MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY OR MORE TECHNOLOGY IN SOME OF THESE HISTORICAL DUMPING AREAS TO NOT ONLY HELP OUT THE DISTRICT, BUT HELP OUT YOUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. SO YOU HAVE IT EXACTLY RIGHT. WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH METRO TECHNOLOGY TO SEE WHAT ADVANCEMENTS WE CAN MAKE IN 
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CAMERAS, WHETHER THAT IS BETTER CAMERAS OR A WAY TO DOWNLOAD DATA MORE EASILY. ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR FUTURE PLANS ARE, YOUR PLAN OF ACTION AS FAR AS SURVEILLANCE IN SOME OF THESE CHALLENGING AREAS WHERE DUMPING HAS OCCURRED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE ME WITH? YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHANNON LOGAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH SOLID WASTE, CAN TALK TO MORE SPECIFIC STRATEGIES AROUND DUMPING. SHANNON LOGAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS SWIMS. CURRENTLY WE ARE AS DIRECTOR STATED, WE'RE LOOKING INTO A BETTER CAMERAS TO PLACE. 
          WE ALSO HAVE AN ACTION PLAN TOGETHER OF IMPLEMENTING PUTTING MORE CAMERAS. WE ALREADY LOCATED THE PLACES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY BEING DUMPED ON, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW IN THE STAGES OF ORDERING NEW CAMERAS, SEEING WHICH ONES ARE BEST FIT US THROUGH PILOT PROGRAM, AND THEN WE'LL DEPLOY THOSE CAMERAS AS WE SEE FIT. SO IN IN ADDITION TO ORDERING MORE CAMERAS AND NEW CAMERAS, WILL THIS ALLOW US TO USE THEM IN MORE AREAS THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. LOGAN, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT DO IN ASSISTING ME. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. SO I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS IN TEN PARTS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT. I DO WANT TO START OFF WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PRIORITIZATION FOR. CAPITAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. SO WHEN I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE MAYOR'S PUSH TO HAVE THIS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO SEPARATE OUT STRATEGIC THINKING, FORWARD PLANNING, SOMETHING WE HAVE QUITE FRANKLY NEVER DONE IN THE HISTORY OF METRO TO LOOK AT GROWTH PATTERNS, LOOK AT HOW TO PLAN FOR THOSE, LOOK AT HOW TO THINK ABOUT, PRIORITIZE, PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZING CAPITAL PROJECTS AND NEEDS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE ARE WE FIRST WITH JUST IMPLEMENTING THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION? AND THEN SECONDLY, IS HAS EITHER DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OR ANYBODY IN PUBLIC WORKS CREATED A LIST OF WHAT I'LL CALL TOP INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS BASED ON GROWTH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO TO START WITH THE QUESTION ON DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THE UPDATE. AND AS YOU SEE IN THE BUDGET PACKAGE, WE DO HAVE POSITIONS THAT ARE SLIDING OVER JULY 1ST TO JOIN US. SO OFFICIALLY CREATING WITH THE POSITIONS MOVING OVER THAT DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WE WILL HAVE AN EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT A DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN ABOUT THE NEXT WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF. WE ALSO HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS JOINING US TO LEAD OUR ENGINEERING PROGRAMING GROUP NEXT MONTH. SO A LOT OF PROGRESS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY. WE HAVE RECENTLY FILLED OUT OUR VACANCIES WITHIN OUR GIS TEAM. WE WILL HAVE AN ENGINEER SUPERVISOR STARTING JUNE 9TH. WE HAVE WELCOMED A NEW COMMUNICATION MANAGER, POLICY ANALYST, TECHNOLOGY ADMINISTRATOR, UTILITY COORDINATOR, THREE PROJECT MANAGERS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GRANTS, GRANTS, COMPLIANCE PERSON, POSITION POSTED. AND THERE WAS ONE MORE. WE ALSO HAVE CANDIDATES AND ENGINEERS WHO HAVE APPLIED THAT WE INTEND TO INTERVIEW FOR, GENERALLY TO FILL ENGINEERING POSITIONS, BUT ALSO FOR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF ROADS AND OPERATIONS. SO WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY TO HAVING A FULL HOUSE. THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION AROUND THE PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS, THE DELIVERABLES THAT THAT DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL CREATE ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE NEVER STRATEGIZED IN THAT WAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LONG RANGE. WE DON'T HAVE A MID RANGE CAPITAL PROJECTS PLAN. SO THE INTENTION WOULD BE FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES, WHAT ARE THE KPIS? HOW ARE CREATE A RUBRIC TO DETERMINE HOW ARE WE PRIORITIZING PROJECTS? WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE'RE AFTER. AND THEN TO CREATE A MID RANGE, 3 TO 5 YEAR CAPITAL PROJECTS PLAN THAT WOULD BE INFORMED BY THAT, THAT DATA AND THOSE PRIORITIES. WE AS FAR AS THE TOP NEEDS AND THE TOP PROJECTS, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST PER SE IN IN THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON GETTING TOGETHER. THANK YOU. AND THEN TO PIVOT TO SIDEWALKS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE $2 MILLION PUT IN SIDEWALKS IN THIS BUDGET. IS THAT CORRECT? 
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I'M NOT SCREWING THAT UP. 2 MILLION? THAT'S CORRECT. YES. WHEN IS THAT? IS THAT THE LIMIT OF WHAT WE CAN EXECUTE PER YEAR IN SIDEWALKS? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE PUT 5 MILLION IN SIDEWALK REPAIRS, COULD WE EXECUTE 5 MILLION SIDEWALK REPAIR? LIKE WHAT? WHAT IS THE ACTUAL LIMIT, GIVE OR TAKE $500,000? SO THERE'S NO EASY WAY TO SAY THAT OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM DOESN'T RUN WELL. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A SECRET. THIS DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS PART OF MOVING TO A DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. MY DEPARTMENT TOUCHES SIDEWALKS IN 8 TO 10 DIFFERENT WAYS. NONE OF THOSE WAYS OVERLAP, AND NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE TALK TO EACH OTHER. AND THAT HAS TO STOP. SO AND I BELIEVE I SPOKE ABOUT SOME OF THIS WHEN WE MET EARLIER THIS WEEK AND LAST WEEK. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A TRUE PROCESS AND MANAGE SIDEWALKS LIKE A PROGRAM. AND THAT MEANS ABSOLUTELY EVERY WAY THAT WE TOUCH SIDEWALKS, WHETHER IT'S NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUILDING THEM UP, BUILDING THEM BRAND NEW SIDEWALKS, MAINTENANCE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND COME UP WITH A PLAN. 
          BECAUSE THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHING SIDEWALKS, WE WILL NEVER CATCH UP WITH THE SIDEWALK BACKLOG. WE HAVE TO DO IT SMARTER. SO WE DO HAVE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE WORKING. I THINK THE QUESTION WOULD BE WE HAVE TO GET THE PROGRAM SET UP BEFORE WE KNOW IF THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN COMPLETE. SO WE HAVE SOME THINGS TO GET IN ORDER. YEAH, YOU YOU BASICALLY ENDED UP ANSWERING WHAT ULTIMATELY WAS MY QUESTION WAS HOW DO WE CATCH UP? RIGHT? AND HOW DO WE LIKE WE DID WITH ROADS, CREATE A MULTIYEAR PLAN SAYING, OKAY, IT'S 20 MILLION, OKAY. IT RAISED TO 30 MILLION. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE HEARD THAT WHETHER IT'S PAVING ROADS OR PAVING SIDEWALKS, IT'S NOW BECOME A NOT SO MUCH FUNDING ISSUE, BUT OPERATIONAL ISSUE. 
          LIKE, WE'RE UP AGAINST THE POINT WHERE EVEN IF WE WANT TO SPEED UP THE SIDEWALKS AND WE DUMP A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO IT, WE CAN'T EVEN EXECUTE, RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THAT MUCH SIDEWALK REPAIR. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IN THIS NEXT YEAR, I DO THINK THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE ONCE YOU HIRE THESE FOLKS TO GET THAT PLAN TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, REALISTICALLY, OUR INITIAL SWAG IS IT WILL TAKE THIS MANY YEARS AND THIS MUCH INVESTMENT PER YEAR, AND THIS IS HOW WE WOULD DO IT, BECAUSE WE YEAH, WE WE'RE JUST WE HAVE NO IDEA IF WE'RE STILL DIGGING A HOLE OR WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF IT. SO I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY ABOUT THAT. AND JUST TO ADD ON THAT, PROCUREMENT HAS BEEN VERY WILLING, AND THEY HAVE SCHEDULED MEETINGS TO HELP US BRAINSTORM HOW TO DO OUR CONTRACTS BETTER AND REALLY FIND OUT WHAT THE PAIN POINTS ARE AND HOW TO WORK THROUGH THOSE. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M GOING TO START WITH I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          MAYBE ONE IS A FOLLOW UP IN FROM COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S ORIGINAL QUESTION ON THE ALL IN ON CLEAN UP. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE FACING THIS HIRING ISSUE THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. WHAT IS THE CHANCES THAT WE CAN GET 32 PEOPLE HIRED IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR WITHOUT A PROBLEM FOR THE ALL IN ON CLEAN, I WOULD SAY WE'RE AT THE LOWEST NUMBER OF VACANCIES SOLID WASTE HAS HAD IN HOW MANY YEARS SINCE 2021. SO OUR HR TEAM HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE ABOUT FINDING CREATIVE WAYS TO FIND PEOPLE WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO BEFORE THAT WANT TO WORK WITH US, THAT WANT TO HAVE A PATH FORWARD WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION. I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD HIRE THAT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, ARE THE OPTIONS TO SUBCONTRACT THE SAME PROGRAM TO YOU ALL TO KIND OF FACILITATE IT AND HIRE SUBCONTRACTORS TO DO THE ALL IN ON CLEAN PROJECT, I GUESS, TO COVER ALL OF THE ALL OF THE COUNTY. IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER. YOUR PEOPLE. SO IF WE CAN'T GET 32 PEOPLE HIRED, WOULDN'T IT BE FINANCIALLY ADVANTAGEOUS OF US AS A, AS A, AS A BODY TO, TO JUST HIRE AND PUT SOMEONE UNDER CONTRACT TO GO AROUND AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S CLEAN AS IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING LIKE LIKE WE DO WITH CLEAN COLLAB? WELL, A LOT OF THESE POSITIONS WILL BE UNDER TEAMSTERS CONTRACT, SO SUBCONTRACTING WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE BODIES THAT WE FEEL AND DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, RIGHT? I THINK SINCE WE DO HAVE A NEW CBA WITH A HIGHER PAY RATE, WE WON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES FILLING THESE POSITIONS. CURRENTLY WHEN WE HAVE POSITIONS POSTED ONLINE, OUR APPLICATIONS RANGE FROM 200 TO 300 APPLICANTS EASILY, SO FINDING BODIES WON'T BE HARD. OKAY, THE TURNAROUND HIRE TIME ON THOSE TURNAROUND HIRE TIME 
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HAS BEEN IMPROVED BY METRO HR. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER AS FAR AS THE HIRE TIME WE MAKE OUR RECTOR HIRE, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO A PHYSICAL ABILITY TEST BACKGROUND CHECK. SO I THINK THEY'VE CHANGED THE BACKGROUND CHECK FROM 30 DAYS TO FIVE DAYS. 
          SO WE'RE SITTING AROUND A THREE WEEK, FOUR WEEK GRIND RIGHT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. ON THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS CHART. AND IT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF OPEN WORK ORDERS. AND FOR DISTRICT 25 IT'S ZERO. IS THAT AN ERROR A REPORTING ERROR OR DO YOU ALL JUST LOVE ME THAT MUCH? WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BUT IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF COMPLETED WORK ORDERS, THAT SEEMS TO BE CORRECT. BUT WE WILL CONFIRM ON THE NUMBER OF CLOSED. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPMAN. THANK YOU. HELLO. HELLO. LONG TIME NO TALK. WE'VE HAD OUR PUBLIC WORKS MEETING YESTERDAY. AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THE PUBLIC WORKS DOE. 
          FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAMS TO SOLID WASTE. YOU ALL ARE DOING REALLY GREAT WORK. MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE $3 MILLION EASTON INFRASTRUCTURE FUND. AND I WAS WONDERING, HAS THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OR PUBLIC WORKS BEEN CONSULTED THUS FAR ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS ARE NEEDED AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE? I GUESS IN A WAY IS THIS HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT PUBLIC WORKS WORKLOAD GIVEN A HEFTY WORKLOAD TO BEGIN WITH? I DON'T YET HAVE THE DETAILS SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN THAT. A $3 MILLION PROJECT. IT WOULD DEPEND UPON IF THAT WAS BROKEN INTO SMALLER AMOUNTS OR USED ALL IN ONE LOCATION. WE REGULARLY MANAGE PROJECTS INTO THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, SO I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM. SAME THING. SPEAKING OF POOLS OF $3,003 MILLION AND CAPACITY, PROJECT NUMBER TWO IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS FOR. COUNCIL DESIGNATED PROJECTS. IN A RECENT PUBLIC WORKS MEETING COMMITTEE MEETING, WE HAD HEARD ABOUT THE 31 COUNCIL DESIGNATED CALMING PROJECTS AND HOW THOSE ADD UP TO ABOUT $2.176 MILLION. THAT PROGRAM HAS $500,000 IN DEDICATED TOWARDS IT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, AND THAT LEAVES ABOUT $1.6 MILLION THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO TAKE PROJECT NUMBER TWO AND APPLY THAT TO WIPE OUT THAT LIST OF COUNCIL DESIGNATED TRAFFIC CALMING PROJECTS? AND THAT WOULD STILL LEAVE ABOUT A MILLION, 1.4 MILLION LEFTOVER FOR ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE SAW FIT. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, AND IDENTIFYING THOSE THERE PRETTY EQUITABLY SPLIT THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT OR THE COUNTY. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A NATURAL THING TO FUND. IF THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS A PERSUASION OF THE COUNCIL TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS THAT WAY, THAT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE APPROACH TO DO THAT. AND JUST CAPACITY WISE, I KNOW THAT THAT JUST KEEPS COMING UP. AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON PROCESSES AND WHATNOT AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS WILL BE STREAMLINED. BUT DUMPING NOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT $6 MILLION WORTH OF WORK ON TOP OF YOUR WORKLOAD. IS IT FEASIBLE AND WHAT IS THE TIME TIMETABLE FOR THAT? CAN IT BE DONE WITHIN A YEAR? WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS FAR AS GETTING PROJECTS OUT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT? THAT'S A CONVERSATION. AGAIN, THAT PROCUREMENT COULD COULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, USING EXISTING CONTRACTS, USING METRO'S WORK ORDER CONTRACTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS. IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, WE DO HAVE STAFF. WE DO HAVE PROJECT MANAGEMENT STAFF WITHIN THAT GROUP THAT COULD MANAGE THOSE PROJECTS. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. AND THE OTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING PROJECTS LIKE THAT IS THAT IT REALLY YOU YOU SEE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVE, WHERE YOU HAVE GROUPS THAT HISTORICALLY WEREN'T TALKING TO EACH OTHER, WHO WERE COLLABORATING NOW ON PROJECTS, SPEAKING VERY OPENLY ABOUT POSSIBILITIES, AND THEN THE EMPHASIS ON GETTING THINGS DONE VERY QUICKLY. SO I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF ROLLING PROJECTS OUT AND GETTING THAT INTERNAL BUILDING, THAT INTERNAL EXPERTISE ON HOW TO DO THAT AND THAT JUST BEING THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS. ABSOLUTELY. IT SEEMS LIKE A NATURAL WAY OF THAT WORKS ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO MAYBE IT WOULD SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEADACHE OF OR ARGUMENTATION ON OUR END. LAST QUESTION. THEN I'LL GET BACK INTO THE QUEUE. 
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THERE'S, I THINK, $900,000 DEDICATED FOR ONE WAY TO TWO WAY CONVERSION. AND I'M WONDERING WHAT PROJECTS THAT THESE ARE FOR. AND JUST SO I CAN MAYBE COMBINE THIS INTO A CONCEPT HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DUMPING A LOT OF MONEY INTO ONE WAY CONVERSIONS, AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE CONVERSIONS BEING DONE. AND I KNOW A LOT OF THAT FALLS ON KYTC FOR REASONS BEYOND LOUISVILLE METRO'S CONTROL. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A LIST OF ONE WAYS WITH A PLAN FOR CONVERSION, A LIST OF ONE WAYS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? AND THEN YOU KNOW, THE GOAL. IF WE WERE TO CHANGE EVERY SINGLE ONE WAY TO TWO WAY THAT WE SAW FIT, HOW MANY IS THAT? BECAUSE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE KEEP DUMPING MONEY INTO THAT I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING AND WHEN CAN WE EXPECT SOMETHING TO GET DONE? AND HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE TO DUMP INTO IT? SO I'LL START WITH SPECIFICALLY THE ONE WAY TO TWO WAY PROJECT YOU MENTIONED FIRST. SO THAT POORLY NAMED PROJECT IS CALLED ONE WAY TO TWO WAY CONVERSION PHASE ONE. AND IT INCLUDED SEVERAL CORRIDORS. SO JEFFERSON STREET WHICH WAS WAS DONE, AND THEN THE $900,000 THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED WOULD BE TO MATCH CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PORTION OF SEVENTH AND EIGHTH STREETS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONVERTED, THE OVERALL TOTAL, I BELIEVE, FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THAT GROUP IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 8 TO $10 MILLION. BUT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KICK KICK OFF ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CORRIDORS WITHIN THAT GRANT. IF WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE AVAILABLE NOW FOR THE OVERALL CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND NULU WALKABILITY, TWO WAY CONVERSIONS, THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE DONE WITH LOCAL FUNDING, NOT WITH FEDERAL FUNDING. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THOSE COULD BE DONE WITH APPROPRIATE FUNDING WITHIN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS, AND THE SPEED OF THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE LOCALLY FUNDED AND NOT FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN BEST. HELLO. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST OF STREET LIGHTS AND GARBAGE SERVICES PROVIDED IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT? OKAY. OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET WILL BE ABLE TO. WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO TO WHO PERFORMS THE STREET SWEEPING EMPLOYEES OR VENDORS. SO THE ANSWER IS BOTH. IT DEPENDS UPON WHERE IT IS. OUR SOLID WASTE TEAMS DO PROVIDE STREET SWEEPING WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT. WE ALSO PROVIDE STREET SWEEPING OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT. AND WE DO SWEEP SOME STATE ROUTES. WE ARE GOING TO PURSUE GETTING REIMBURSEMENT FOR STREET SWEEPING ON STATE ROUTES AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR MOA, WITH THE STATE OF KENTUCKY THIS YEAR. AND IT'S THE CONTRACTOR PERFORMS OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICES. SO WE'LL HIRE IN THE EMPLOYEES, ELIMINATE THE CONTRACT FOR THE SUBURBAN AREAS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, NO. THE ADDITIONAL 32 FOR ALL IN ON CLEAN WOULD NOT ELIMINATE THOSE POSITIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PARKER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ABOUT TEN YEARS, NOT TEN YEARS AGO, BUT WE HAD A TEN YEAR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PLAN OR INVESTIGATION ON OUR ROADS, AND WE'RE ABOUT HALFW THROUGH THAT. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 300 MILLION. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, WITH THE INCREASED FUNDING THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVING EVERY YEAR. BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WITH ALL OF THE INCLEMENT WEATHER THAT WE'VE HAD THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE ON DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR OUR ROAD SITUATION RIGHT NOW? SO FOR PAVING SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T HAVE IT YET. WE DID JUST RECEIVE THE PAVING INVENTORY. SO WE GO THROUGH EVERY FEW YEARS. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE DONE THE FOURTH ONE THAT WE'VE EVER COMPLETED AND HAVE A COMPANY GO AROUND. THEY DRIVE ALL OF THE ROADS AND DO A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SURVEY. THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA. SO THAT INFORMATION 
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HAS JUST ARRIVED AND WE'LL BE SENDING OUT AN UPDATE WITH THE. IT'S AVAILABLE AT A LINK ON THE BOTTOM ON OUR NORMAL PAVING MAP, AND I'VE ASKED FOR SOME ANALYSIS ON HOW THAT COMPARES. THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS IN GOALS WITHIN THE THREE YEAR PAVING PLAN AROUND THE PERCENTAGE OF ROADS THAT WILL BE A CERTAIN CONDITION BASED ON THE TYPE OF ROAD. SO THAT WILL BE THE ANALYSIS THAT WE RUN TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE TO MOVE FORWARD AFTER THIS YEAR. OKAY. 
          AND THEN. IN MY DISTRICT, I'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH TRAFFIC LIGHT SYNCHRONIZATION. AND I JUST WONDERED IF, IS THAT COMPLAINT DRIVEN AND HOW ARE WE DOING WITH IS THE PROTOCOL BEING USED? IS IT BEING USED TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL? AND THE REASON HOW I THINK IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET IS BECAUSE ONCE WE GET OUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS SINKED, I MEAN, IT REALLY HELPS PREVENT BACKUP OF TRAFFIC. AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT NEED SOME RIGHT TURN LANES. OR FOR INSTANCE, THE STATE WAS GOING TO PUT $2 MILLION INTO WIDEN, HERSHBERGER, SOUTH HURSTBOURNE LANE, AND THEY ALMOST REALLY DON'T NEED TO NOW BECAUSE THEY JUST NEEDED TO SYNC THE LIGHT AT TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND HERSHBERGER LANE. SO I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, FULL UTILIZATION OF THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY HELP US SAVE SOME MONEY AND DRIVERS A LOT OF HEADACHE. I, I AGREE, I THINK TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION COORDINATION IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL THINGS WE CAN DO AND HAS THE LOWEST IMPACT AND DISTURBANCE ON ANYONE. AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WE ARE IN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH KYTC TO ALIGN OUR SYSTEMS. SOME OF OUR SIGNALS ARE JUST CONNECTED TOGETHER, SO IF THERE'S A POWER OUTAGE, IF THERE'S A DISTURBANCE IN SOME WAY, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THOSE SIGNALS TO UPDATE THEIR INTERNAL CLOCK. SO THEY FALL OUT OF SYNCHRONIZATION. AND IT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH KYTC TO GET US ALIGNED AND ON THE SAME SYSTEM. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON. OKAY. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT MONEY INTO IN THE FUTURE, OR IS IT JUST A MATTER OF MECHANICS? SO IN COORDINATING WITH KYTC, THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO HELP US TO GET SET UP MOVING FORWARD IN FUTURE YEARS, THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL COST FOR THAT CELLULAR CELLULAR SERVICE TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU. MADAM. 
          MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE RECORD? REFLECT. WE'D BE JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. 
          COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SEVERAL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED BY MY COLLEAGUES. SO I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU. SORT OF A FOLLOW UP TO COUNCILMAN PARKER'S QUESTIONS ON PAVING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 30 MILLION INTO PAVING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. IS THAT TREADING WATER? ARE WE CATCHING UP ON THAT LIST? DO WE FEEL ARE WE FALLING FURTHER BEHIND? IT'S SORT OF A SIMILAR QUESTION, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A SNAPSHOT OF THIS YEAR, DO WE THINK THAT AT 30 MILLION WHERE ARE WE RELATIVE TO THE BACKLOG. 
          SO ONCE WE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE LATEST PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX AND SEE IF WE'VE MET THOSE GOALS, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA. WE ARE ALSO IN JUNE. WE WILL BE GOING LIVE WITH A ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OPENGOV OVER THE LAST YEAR TO GET THAT PROGRAM SET UP, AND THAT WILL TAKE ALL OF OUR DATA IN. SO FOR RIGHT NOW FOR PAVING AND SIDEWALKS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT COULD POTENTIALLY STORE ALL OF OUR ASSETS. AND WITHIN THAT SOFTWARE, IT WILL HELP US TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE PAVING PROGRAMS. AND THEN ALSO AS WE'RE CATCHING UP, GIVE US SOME PRICING AND SOME IDEAS AROUND MOVING INTO MAINTENANCE. 
          SO THINGS LIKE CRACK CEILING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE PAVEMENT THAT WE'VE PUT IN. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE ALONG. YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THAT 30 MILLION IS BUILT OFF OF PREVIOUS YEAR ANALYSIS. ACCORDING TO PREVIOUS YEAR'S ANALYSIS, AT 30 MILLION IS THAT YOU KNOW, IS THAT PUT US ON TRACK TO THE PREVIOUS ANALYSIS OR OR I BELIEVE I BELIEVE SO, BUT I WOULD NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DATA AND RUN SOME ANALYSIS TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY HITTING WHAT WE NEED. OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT EQUIPMENT. AND SO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW 5 MILLION SLATED FOR REPLACEMENT, 6.5 MILLION FOR ANTICIPATED MAINTENANCE ON THIS FISCAL YEAR. BUT WE HAVE A SEPARATE ANALYSIS OF 6.4 MILLION IN THE BACKLOG FOR DEFERRED 
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MAINTENANCE ON THIS APPROPRIATION. I ASSUME THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE ESSENTIAL POTS HERE WHERE WE'RE WE'RE ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 12 MILLION IN MAINTENANCE FOR EQUIPMENT THROUGH REPLACEMENT OR REPAIRS. 
          BUT THAT LEAVES STILL SIX, 6.4 THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO EAT INTO THIS YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. THE IDEA IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON EQUIPMENT IN A VERY LONG TIME, OUR EQUIPMENT IS DIFFICULT IN THAT IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. AVERAGE DUMP TRUCK IS ABOUT $250,000. GARBAGE TRUCK KITTED OUT IS CLOSER TO 300 $330,000. SO THE EQUIPMENT IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE PER UNIT. THE OTHER THING THAT IS AN ISSUE IS THAT IT CAN TAKE 24 MONTHS TO GET A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, EVEN IF WE ORDERED IT TODAY, IDEALLY WE WOULD GO TO A ROLLING REPLACEMENT WHERE WE WOULD BE REPLACING EQUIPMENT BEFORE IT BECOMES INORDINATELY EXPENSIVE. WE HAD WHEN WE RAN AN ANALYSIS LAST YEAR, WE HAD A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE PAID TWICE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REBUY IT JUST IN MAINTENANCE ON IT, AND THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. YEAH, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GO AHEAD, FINISH THAT. I WANT TO IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP TO YOUR YOU'VE ASKED A GREAT QUESTION ON IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP, IF I CAN. YEAH. I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE MOVING TO ROLLING SCHEDULE, BECAUSE IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE I WAS AN AUCTIONEER AND APPRAISER OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT, A LOT OF YELLOW IRON, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TRACKS AND TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING. SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET ANY KIND OF PROCUREMENT. EVEN MAINTENANCE CAN HAVE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE REPRESENT, YOU KNOW, REAL COSTS EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET HERE IN THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, BOTH IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, INCREASED COSTS FOR OUR FOR OUR PROJECTS, LACK OF EFFICIENCY. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO OUR WORKERS THESE, THESE OLD EQUIPMENT CAUSES INJURY. SO EXACTLY. YES OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT IS AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP AND I'D HATE TO JUMP IN ON BUT THANK YOU. 
          IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE'VE NOT DONE AS A CITY, METRO LOUISVILLE HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING UP ON OUR EQUIPMENT. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUY NEW. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT AN INCREASE IN THE IN THE BUDGET FOR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SUPPLIES. IT'S GONE FROM 3400 UP TO 86,900. AND TO AGAIN TO COUNCILMAN LINDA'S POINT. WHILE THESE VEHICLES ARE IN THE SHOP BEING FIXED, WE'RE LOSING. THAT'S ALL DOWNTIME AND POTENTIAL SAFETY RISK FOR OUR. BUT IT'S AND BEYOND THAT WE'RE SEEING A RADICAL INCREASE IN MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES. AND I'M JUST VERIFYING THAT I'M READING THIS RIGHT. AND THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IN FACT CONNECTED ACCOUNTS. I'M LOOKING AT THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR REPAIR SUPPLY LINE. AND IT WENT FROM 3400 UP TO 86,900. IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT JUMP. OKAY. SO THAT LINE ITEM IS INCREASED BASED ON THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES. YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE PAYING MORE TO FIX EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT'S BREAKING MORE RAPIDLY BASICALLY. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR OPENING THAT LINE OF QUESTION. AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. WERE YOU. WAS THAT THE LAST OF YOURS? OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT THANK YOU IS COUNCILMAN HUDSON. THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR, I WANT TO REVISIT THE TOPICS OF TURNOVER, EMPLOYEE TURNOVER AND THE ADDITION OF EMPLOYEES, WHICH ARE TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS. RIGHT IN. BUT NOT TO DWELL ON THOSE, BUT THE COMMON THING THAT THEY HAVE IS ADDITIONAL BELLY BUTTONS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION AND THE INSTITUTIONAL LOSS OF OR THE LOSS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET TO ADDRESS A TRAINING PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO REPLACE THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. COULD COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU PLAN TO BRING THAT, THAT KNOWLEDGE BACK INTO YOUR ORGANIZATION? BECAUSE I WANT TO SET THESE PEOPLE UP FOR SUCCESS, NOT JUST GET THEM HIRED AND EXPECT THEM TO DO THE JOB WITHOUT ANY KIND OF RIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT AS LONG AS THERE IS A PLAN FOR CONTINUITY WITHIN THAT, WE STRUGGLE WITH HAVING PROCESSES ESTABLISHED AND DOCUMENTED WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT. THAT IS A PROBLEM AND WE HAVE TO OVERCOME IT. IF YOU THAT IS WHAT HAS LED TO THIS DEPARTMENT BECOMING SO INCREDIBLY SILOED IS WHEN ONE PERSON IS MANAGING ONE THING AND NO ONE ELSE IS EDUCATED ABOUT IT. WE'RE NOT MANAGING ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT, 
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SHARING INFORMATION, SHARING THAT KNOWLEDGE. SO AS FAR AS HOW DO WE HOW DO WE STAND IT UP WITH NEW PEOPLE? IT COMES FROM JUST LIKE I TALKED ABOUT WITH SIDEWALKS, DIVING IN AND TAKING A REALLY HARD LOOK AT BRUTAL FACTS THAT SOMETIMES AREN'T PRETTY, THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T BEEN MANAGING THINGS CORRECTLY, OR AS WELL AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FIXING IT AND DOCUMENTING HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT MOVING FORWARD, THEN BUILDING INTO THAT PROCESS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUALLY IMPROVE ON THAT? AND HOW DO WE SET UP A DEPARTMENT THAT'S NOT AFRAID OF SOMEBODY COMING TO LEADERSHIP AND SAYING, HEY, THIS DOESN'T SEEM QUITE RIGHT. CAN WE DO IT BETTER? CAN WE IMPROVE? AND TAKING THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MOVE THE DEPARTMENT TO. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT AS FAR AS TRAINING SPECIFICALLY TO OUR FIELD TEAMS, LOOKING AT, I KNOW THAT SWIMS HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB CURATING A LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WITHIN THEIR TEAM. ROADS IS ANOTHER TEAM THAT I WANT TO EXPAND AND GET SOME MORE DETAILED TRAINING, SPECIFICALLY TO. THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE FIELD THAT WE COULD BE DOING BETTER. ALSO WITHIN OUR CDL PROGRAM, TAKING A REALLY HARD LOOK AT HOW DO WE OFFER SUPPORT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING THAT TEST? SO WE BRING PEOPLE IN, WE TRAIN THEM FOR THAT TEST. BUT THEN IF YOU'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 HOURS OF OVERTIME EVERY WEEK OR DOING SPECIAL EVENTS EVERY WEEKEND, WHEN DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TIME TO PREPARE TO STUDY FOR THAT TEST? SO LOOKING AT OUR EXISTING TRAINING PROGRAMS, HOW TO MAKE THOSE BETTER AND THEN DOCUMENTING, HOW DO WE WANT TO MOVE THE DEPARTMENT FORWARD, AND BEING REALLY PROUD OF THAT, TELLING EVERYBODY HOW WE DO IT, ASKING EVERYBODY FOR THEIR OPINION AND NOT BEING AFRAID. IF SOMEBODY TELLS YOU THAT, HEY, THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, MAYBE CONSIDER SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, YOU KNOW, CARNEGIE HAD A SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE TIME AND STOP CHOPPING DOWN TREES TO SHARPEN OUR AX. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WISDOM IN THAT AS FAR AS THE WORK OF PUBLIC WORKS GOES, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. 
          THERE ARE OTHER CITIES, THERE ARE CONSULTANTS, THERE ARE BEST PRACTICES OUT THERE THAT WE COULD RELY ON AND, AND BORROW FROM TO GET NEW EMPLOYEES PUT INTO A TRAINING PROGRAM TO SHARPEN THEIR ACTS. BUT IT DOESN'T COME FOR FREE. THAT THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION. I DON'T SEE A LINE ITEM, AND IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC TRAINING PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, I AND TEAM MEMBERS ARE GOING FOR TRAINING THIS WEEK. WE HAVE SEVERAL TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO NACTO CONFERENCES NEXT WEEK. WE CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO JOIN PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE. I'M PERSONALLY IN A MENTORSHIP PROGRAM WITH WOMEN OF ASPHALT, SO THERE ARE I KNOW IT'S NOT THE BEST NAME. I'LL GET YOU A MUG. SO BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. AND IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR TRAINING PROGRAMS OR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT THOSE ARE. I DO NOT PURPORT TO BE AN EXPERT ON PUBLIC WORKS, AND I DON'T MEAN TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB. I'M I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT THAT WHEN WE BRING THESE 32 NEW PEOPLE OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS AND THE REPLACEMENTS FOR THE TURNOVER, THEY NEED TO BE PUT INTO A TRACK THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED, NOT THROW THEM IN THE WATER AND HOPE THEY KNOW HOW TO SWIM. AND WE WILL BE BRINGING PEOPLE ON BOARD THAT HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE. WE CAN ALSO LEARN FROM. SO THAT IS ALSO VERY, VERY EXCITING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH, JUST ONE QUESTION. IF WE ALLOWED OUR HOA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO PROCURE THEIR OWN BIDS FOR INSTALLATIONS LIKE SPEED HUMPS, WOULD THAT FREE UP PUBLIC WORKS IN REGARDS TO EMPLOYEES, OR IS THAT A NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK? I JUST, I GUESS BEING NEW TO THIS, SEEING HOW MUCH THEY COST IT, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE LIKE ALMOST A MONOPOLY THAT, THAT LIKE THAT, THERE'S JUST ONE SET AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN DO. AND IT'S GOT TO BE DONE THIS WAY OR IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DONE AT ALL. JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, IF THERE WAS ANY WAY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO FREE UP PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES AND WHATNOT IN THAT REGARD. WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS ALSO A DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH PROCUREMENT. AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE HAVE MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE MOST COMPETITIVE BID, HAVE MORE COMPETITION WITHIN NUMBERS THAT WE'RE PRESENTED? IF THERE WAS SOMETHING AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS FURTHER WITH PERMITS, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO GO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT WOULD NEED TO BE PERMITTED. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK 
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ABOUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PURVIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE CONVERSION. NORTHWESTERN PARKWAY, AND I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE TO PROVIDE TRAFFIC CALMING. WOULD THIS FUNDING COME FROM THE STATE OR WOULD IT BE LOCAL FUNDING IF THIS WERE TO COME TO FRUITION? SO A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES. 
          AND JUST FOR EVERYONE ELSE, WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT SOME AREAS WHERE COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE STRUGGLED. SPECIFICALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE FOUND AND THAT WE ARE SHARPENING OUR TEETH ON WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAMS, IS REALIZING WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU MAY HAVE ONE PROBLEM, BUT THE ANSWER COULD BE TEN DIFFERENT THINGS AND THAT IS GETTING FOCUS AROUND IT, CALLING IT A FOCUS AREA AND THAT IS THE INTENT THERE. SO SPECIFICALLY WITH NORTHWESTERN PARKWAY, THE STATE OF KENTUCKY HAS A PLANNING STUDY GOING ON FOR THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. SO WE WANT TO SHARE IDEAS WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          WE ARE SPECIFICALLY WORKING WITH THE STATE OF KENTUCKY FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THINGS WE COULD DO AT 33RD STREET. SOME OF THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY REFUNDED TO US THROUGH OUR MOA WITH THE STATE FOR TRAFFIC. OUR PLANNING TEAM IS LOOKING AT WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN TWO WAY CONVERTING OUR SECTION OF NORTHWESTERN PARKWAY. SO WHILE WE CAN'T CONTROL THE STATE, WE CAN SHARE WITH THEM OUR IDEAS AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY DOING WITHIN OUR STRIPING BUDGET. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW YET. AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK AT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX ON THAT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS. IT COULD ALSO BE A POSSIBILITY. AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO ASK, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE PROCUREMENT IN SECURING MORE CONTRACTS TO DO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T DOING, SIDEWALKS, PAVING, SPEED HUMPS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE? AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH PROCUREMENT, ADDING MORE CONTRACTORS. SO WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS FOR SEVERAL ITEMS SUCH AS ROADWAY ENGINEERING. AND THEN WE DO HAVE WITHIN OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM THAT WAS SET UP TO HAVE A FIRST AND A SECONDARY CONTRACTOR. WE ACTUALLY JUST MET WITH PROCUREMENT TODAY. WE NEED TO CLARIFY GUIDANCE AROUND WHEN WE CAN GO TO THAT SECONDARY CONTRACTOR. SO FOR EXAMPLE, OUR CONSULTING CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, WE HAVE A FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD. WE HARDLY EVER USE OUR SECOND AND WE NEVER USE OUR THIRD. AND THAT IS THAT'S NOT A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO DO FOR CONTRACTORS AND OUR CONSULTANTS IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO NAVIGATE WITH PROCUREMENT ON HOW TO SET THAT UP, BUT I HAVE ASKED FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO USE THE SECONDARY CONTRACTOR, WHEN IS IT ACCEPTABLE, AND MAKING SURE CONTRACTORS UNDERSTAND THOSE TERMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS MOA WITH THE STATE ARE THERE. IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE, AT LEAST WITH STREET SWEEPING ON STATE ROUTES, THAT MAYBE WE WEREN'T BEING REIMBURSED FOR PREVIOUSLY. IS THIS A IS THIS MOA THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON NOW? SOMETHING THAT'S NEGOTIATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE WE'RE DOING WORK THAT THE STATE SHOULD BE REIMBURSING US FOR? THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BUDGET? SO THE STATE OF KENTUCKY, WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT FOR TWO THINGS. AND THOSE ARE ROADS, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. 
          THE ROADS AND MAINTENANCE. YES, THOSE ARE RENEWABLE EVERY YEAR. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH KYTC IN DOING A DEEP DIVE ON THAT CONTRACT, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY ASK FOR CREDIT FOR THAT WE HAD NOT HISTORICALLY. SO THAT IS WHERE THE FOCUS ON GETTING REIMBURSED FOR STREET SWEEPING CAME FROM. AND WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART? I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT A ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN ADDITION TO BEING REIMBURSED FOR STREET SWEEPING? ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE NOT BEING REIMBURSED FOR THAT WOULD HAVE ANY MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE BUDGET? LIKE, OR IS IT JUST A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY? WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY THAT ROADS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT COVERS TYPICAL ITEMS LIKE POTHOLE FILLING, DITCH REGRADING. STREET 
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SWEEPING ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT. IT WOULD NOT COVER THINGS LIKE STRIPING, SIGNAGE, GUARDRAILS IN THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY. BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE, IF WE CAN OFFER THAT SERVICE, WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE. AND THEN ANOTHER PLACE WHERE I'VE WE'VE KIND OF BEEN BRINGING THIS UP THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WHEN REFERRING TO STREET SWEEPING, AND I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE STORMWATER BASINS AND MSD AND HOW CLEANING THE STORMWATER BASINS, WE THERE SEEMS TO ME TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN CLEANING, CLEANING, BIKE LANES ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, STREET SWEEPING AND MSD WOULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM THAT. FROM A SIGNIFICANT, IT SEEMS TO ME VERY MUCH BECAUSE WE WOULD BE CLEANING OUT THEIR STORMWATER GRATES AND BASINS FOR THEM, AND THAT THEY OUGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM FINANCIALLY WITH US. IT'S A THING I'VE BEEN BRINGING UP OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BECAUSE I THINK THEY BENEFIT SIGNIFICANTLY FROM IT. AND I WONDER IF THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S EVER BEEN HAD. IT'S NOT A CONVERSATION I'VE HAD, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I CAN BRING UP WITH THEM. OKAY. AND WE'VE TALKED ALSO ABOUT THESE SMALL STREET CLEANERS THAT COULD THAT COULD CLEAN, YOU KNOW, BIKE, BIKE FACILITIES. I WONDER IF THAT'S ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE RADAR AS WELL, BECAUSE IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, I HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM MY BIKE PEOPLE THAT IT'S GREAT TO ADD ADDITIONAL BIKE FACILITIES, BUT IF WE CAN'T KEEP THE ONES MAINTAINED THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A SMALLER BIKE FACILITY, CLEANING MACHINE, BIKE LANE CLEANING MACHINE THAT COULD ALSO BENEFIT MSD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNDON. THANK YOU. REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES WITHIN THE USD FORMER CITY OF LOUISVILLE, WE OF COURSE ARE THE OLDEST PART OF THE CITY. AND OF COURSE, THEREFORE OUR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS OLDER AND TAKES MORE TO KEEP UP WITH. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN A SIDEWALKS BEING. ONE EXAMPLE IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, IS IT BECAUSE SOME FUNDS HAVE BEEN BLED INTO OTHER SERVICES, OTHER AREAS? ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE SERVICES IN THE OLD BACK IN THE DAY, NOT TAKING ON SWIMS THAT WE USED TO GET TWICE A WEEK GARBAGE COLLECTION, WE NOW GET IT ONCE A WEEK. THAT'S A 50% REDUCTION ON THAT ONE LINE ITEM. DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT COST TWICE AS MUCH TO PROVIDE IT NOW, OR IS ARE THOSE FUNDS AGAIN BEING BLED TO OTHER SERVICES OR TO OTHER AREAS, IN YOUR OPINION? I KNOW THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GENERAL QUESTION. IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC AREA THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS IN ON TO HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE ON ON THAT. IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC LOCATION OR AS FAR AS PROGRAMING, YOU MEAN WHEN THERE'S A QUESTION ON ON TRASH COLLECTION WHICH SWIMS CAN ANSWER. BUT AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMED MAINTENANCE SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE WITHIN DOWNTOWN BUT ALSO OTHER AREAS OF AGING. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE MAY BE A DIFFERENT APPROACH WE NEED TO TAKE. ARE WE ARE WE LAYING SIDEWALKS OR OTHER SUCH THINGS, NEW ONES? WHERE ARE THEY BEING PAID FOR, OR IS THAT BEING BLED OUT FROM THE EXTRA TAXES THAT THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN USD PAY FOR MANY SERVICES? NO, I DO NOT. 
          THERE IS NOT THAT CORRELATION THERE. JUST ASKING. GO AHEAD. HI. ANGIE DUNN CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER THE ADDITIONAL REVENUES THAT ARE THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE USD, SPECIFICALLY, THOSE ARE USED SPECIFICALLY FOR USD OPERATIONS. SO THOSE ADDITIONAL REVENUES ARE NOT BEING USED FOR ANY OTHER SERVICES. DO WE HAVE HAS THERE EVER BEEN A FORENSIC AUDIT OF PRE-MERGER POST-MERGER AS TO WHAT SERVICES WERE PROVIDED, AND IF THOSE ARE MORE OR LESS THE SAME AS THEY WERE BACK IN THE DAY? I MEAN, I KNOW OBVIOUSLY COSTS CHANGE BECAUSE COSTS DO CHANGE, BUT ARE THEY THE NUMBERS AND AMOUNTS OF SERVICES ROUGHLY THE SAME INSIDE AND OUT? DO WE HAVE EVER DONE A STUDY LIKE THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE DONE A FORENSIC AUDIT, AND WE HAVE DATA THAT, YOU KNOW, SPANS BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF MERGER. YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT SOME ANALYSIS POTENTIALLY, BUT IT'S NOT ANYTHING WE WE'VE CONDUCTED RECENTLY. OKAY. IT WOULD BE NICE IN MY OPINION TO DO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, THE PROMISE OF MERGER AND JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN FAIRLY ADMINISTERED. SURE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. THANK YOU. 
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CHAIR. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED. I JUST HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU TODAY, AND THAT WAS FOR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF SNOWSTORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY MONEY IN THE BUDGET. OR MAYBE IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT FOR FUNDING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET READY. WE ALREADY READY IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS. SO WE DID AFTER THE SNOWSTORMS IN JANUARY, DO SOME ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS. SO U OF L. DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, JC, A LOT OF OTHER GROUPS THAT WERE IMPACTED BY SNOW THAT WE COORDINATED WITH. THEN FOLLOWING THAT, IN MARCH, WE HAD A CONSULTANT COME IN WHO SPECIALIZES IN SNOW PROGRAMS. THEY SAT DOWN AND THEY DID INTERVIEWS INTERNALLY WITH OUR STAFF, SOME OF OUR DRIVERS. THEY DID A TOUR OF OUR FACILITIES AND ALSO AN INVENTORY OF OUR AVAILABLE FLEET. SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE FORTHCOMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN WITHIN THE FLEET BUDGET. THERE IS A NUMBER IN THERE FOR BRIAN EQUIPMENT. AND PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WITH KYTC FOR OUR MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THIS YEAR INCLUDES A RECOMMENDATION AROUND SOME FLEET UPGRADES SPECIFIC TO SNOW. SO SOME OF THE OTHER SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE CHANGING OUT BLADES, USING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BLADE, USING SOME DIFFERENT TACTICS. AND THEN THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE GENERATION OF A NEW SNOW MAP. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY WITH IN-HOUSE EFFORT. AND THEN WE ARE WE'RE WORKING WITH FLEET ON NUMBERS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANY OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BENEFIT US IN THAT WAY. OKAY. SO BASICALLY YOU SAID THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE EMERGENCY PLAN PUT IN PLACE, SO IT WON'T BE A WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE EQUIPMENT OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST SAYING FUNDING IMPLEMENTED IN THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY CALL TO ACTION, BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT IT AFFECTS IS OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN. I CAN ADD THAT THERE'S A IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THERE'S A $5 MILLION LINE ITEM FOR PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. WITHIN THAT, THERE WAS 340,000 SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR SNOW EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS AND THEN REQUEST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THE FLEETS QUESTION THAT'S COME UP WITH COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND ALSO LINIGER. LAST YEAR, WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE'S $30 MILLION THAT'S NEEDED TO UPGRADE PUBLIC WORKS FLEET TO MAINTAIN BASIC CITY SERVICES. IT WAS LIKE A LOW KEY THREAT. BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING, HOW DOES THE $5 MILLION IN REPLACEMENTS IN $6.4 MILLION IN MAINTENANCE IMPACT THAT NUMBER? AND SHOULD WE STILL BE SHAKING IN OUR BOOTS? SO AS FAR AS FLEET REPLACEMENT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE IDEA IS WE REALIZE WE HAVE A BACKLOG. WE ALSO REALIZE IT IS PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE TO GET ALL OF THAT IN ONE YEAR. SO WORKING INTO A ROLLING REPLACEMENT PLAN, WE THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THAT. IF THAT IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION AND LOOKING AT MOVING TO IF NOT A SEVEN YEAR, AT LEAST A TEN YEAR REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT TO COME IN TO KEEP THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS DOWN. SURE. SO IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THAT $5 MILLION WILL BE AN INCURRED COST FOR BUDGETS ONGOING IN PERPETUITY. I WOULD HAVE TO TELL YOU. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SUMMARY AND VEHICLE COSTS FLUCTUATE, BUT FOR A FEW YEARS THAT WOULD BE A ROLLING REPLACEMENT COST. IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE CHOSE TO GO. ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED YOU. THERE WAS FISCAL YEAR 26 DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, AND I'M A LITTLE PUZZLED AS TO WHAT THIS THIS GRAPH IS. THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN FISCAL YEAR 26. THEY'RE NOT THE AMOUNTS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS EARMARKED FOR THOSE PROJECTS WITHIN THE BUDGET. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THOSE COUNCIL DIRECTED TRAFFIC CALMING PROJECTS. IT SAYS THAT THERE'S $1 MILLION, I'M ASSUMING, IN AN ACCOUNT ALREADY FOR THESE PROJECTS. LAST YEAR WE ONLY PUT $500,000 TO THAT AMOUNT. SO I'M WONDERING WHY THAT NUMBER DOESN'T MATCH AND WHAT THE REST OF THEM ARE IN THIS LIST. COULD YOU HELP US OUT ON WHAT PAGE NUMBER? THIS. THERE AREN'T PAGE NUMBERS ON MY 
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THINGS. TABLE SIX IF FISCAL YEAR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. IT'S A TOTAL OF $13.6 MILLION. BECAUSE LIKEWISE, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S $1 MILLION FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. AND I'M QUESTIONING IF THAT'S MONEY THAT'S ALREADY SITTING SOMEWHERE FOR THAT. SO THIS LIST ARE ITEMS THAT WE HAD INCLUDED IN OUR INITIAL ASK THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET PROPOSAL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. AND THEN ALSO JUST STREET SWEEPING, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A REALLY BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO DO ONE PASS OVER IN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT VERSUS THE REST OF THE COUNTY, LIKE QUITE A BIT LIKE INSIDE THE USD, IT'S $177,000 FOR ONE PASS. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THE USD, IT'S 38,000. AND IT SEEMS LIKE QUITE A BIG DISCREPANCY. AND I WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE AFTER THIS YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW, BUT YOU COULD PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ON HOW MANY MILES OF STREETS OR WITHIN THAT WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT THAT YOU SWEEP VERSUS OUTSIDE THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT. AND WHY THOSE NUMBERS? THAT NUMBER MIGHT SPEAK FOR ITSELF. BUT I WAS ALSO JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST? YES, WE CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS TO YOU. EXACTLY. GENERALLY, AT A HIGH LEVEL, THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT YOU FACE AS FAR AS MAKING SURE ALL OF THE CARS ARE REMOVED. YOU HAVE TREES THAT MAY BE MUCH CLOSER TO THE CURB, CAUSING ISSUES THAT GET THAT GET KIND OF MUCKED UP RIGHT THERE AND BREAKING THOSE LOOSE, HAVING TO PHYSICALLY REMOVE THEM. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHALLENGES I'VE LEFT OUT ON THE COUNCIL, OR THAT MAY BE IF THAT IS SUFFICIENT OR WE CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL LATER. CURBS IS ANOTHER BIG ONE. WE DON'T STREET SWEEP ON STREETS THAT DON'T HAVE CURBS. SO WHEN YOU GET ON THE URBAN SERVICES STREET, MOST OF OUR STREETS, MOST OF THE STREETS OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT ARE NOT CURBED. SO YOU HAVE A LOT MORE LANE MILES IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT THAT HAVE CURBS THAT YOU CAN PUSH UP AGAINST. THEN YOU HAVE LANE MILES OUTSIDE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LANE MILES OUTSIDE. BUT WE DON'T SWEEP THOSE MAKE SENSE. BUT I GUESS QUESTION STILL STANDS IS DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER OF HOW MANY MILES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT VERSUS INSIDE THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT? I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY, BUT WE CAN GET THAT LATER. OH, OF COURSE, IF YOU HAD THAT, IT'D BE VERY IMPRESSIVE RIGHT NOW. I'M DONE. THANK YOU. 
          NO WORRIES. COUNCILWOMAN. BEST. HOW DO YOU ALL DECIDE? WHAT EXPENSES ARE DEFERRED TO THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL OFFICE VERSUS PUBLIC WORKS? IS THERE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF EXPENSE YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR REFERENCE? JUST PARTICULARLY LIKE. SOME OF THE DIFFERENT. COUNCILWOMAN. YOU'RE FROZEN. WE CAN'T SEE YOU OR HEAR YOU. WE'LL COME BACK TO HER. COUNCILMAN WINKLER, THANK YOU. 
          DIRECTOR, I'VE GOT TWO REALLY QUICK QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF MOWING AND LITTER PICKUP ALONG AN INTERSTATE? I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR FROM MORE THAN ANYTHING FROM MY CONSTITUENTS. AND SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IS THE STATE ALLOWING US TO AUGMENT THEIR MOWING? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY USED TO THEN THEY GOT RID OF IT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO AGAIN? AND IF SO, IS THERE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO IT. AND IF THEY DO ALLOW IT AND THERE ISN'T MONEY IN THE BUDGET, WHAT WOULD IT COST PER CYCLE? SO THE NUMBER OF CYCLES OF MOWING THERE ARE FIVE. AS FAR AS WHAT IS COVERED WITH THE STATE, THE STATE PAYS FOR THREE OF THOSE. WE PAY FOR TWO ADDITIONAL. THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE STAFF HERE THAT WOULD HAVE THAT NUMBER IF WE'D LIKE TO SHARE. I DON'T KNOW IF BARRY HAS THE NUMBER FOR YOU CAN JUST SEND THAT IN THE FOLLOW UP. MY OTHER QUESTION. YEAH. GO AHEAD. I HAVE AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP TO THAT QUESTION, IF I MAY. YOU'VE BROKEN THE MOWING CYCLES INTO THREE DISTRICTS EAST, WEST AND STATE RIGHTS OF WAY. BUT THEN YOU'VE ALSO ADDED A FOURTH ONE, DIXIE MEDIANS. THE EAST DISTRICT GETS FIVE, THE WEST DISTRICT GETS FIVE AND THE STATE RIGHTS AWAY GET TWO. THE DIXIE MEDIANS GET 21. THAT'S A VAST DIFFERENCE. NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST, THE DIXIE MEDIANS IS ONLY 147,000, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BARELY MORE THAN ONE 
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FOURTH OF ANY OF THE OTHERS. SO IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER. MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HADN'T SEPARATED THE DIXIE MEDIANS OUT, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? WOULD THAT BE IN THE WEST? SO DIXIE DIXIE HIGHWAY IS A STATE ROAD. SO IT WOULD IT WOULD TYPICALLY FALL UNDER THE STATE. AND THE AND THE REASON WE HAVE THAT SITUATION IS THE REASON THAT WE'RE MOVING TO A DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. 
          WE HAD A DIXIE HIGHWAY PLAN THAT ASSUMED THAT PUBLIC WORKS WOULD TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE INDEFINITELY, WITHOUT ASKING OUR MAINTENANCE TEAMS AND WITHOUT CLARIFYING WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE IN PERPETUITY. AND THAT IS NO LONGER THE WAY THAT WE MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD. AND THE STATE ASSUMED YOU WOULD CUT IT 21 TIMES. SO PART OF THAT HAS TO BE CUT. ANYTHING ELSE? MORE THAN THREE. SO THE DECISION WAS ON THOSE MEDIANS. THEY RECEIVE A TURF CUT BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY ARE AND BECAUSE OF SITE DISTANCE ISSUES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAT COULD CREATIVELY LOWER THAT MAINTENANCE AND WOULD STILL BE A SAFE ALTERNATIVE. SEVERAL OF US WOULD APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING LOOKING AT OTHER MAJOR ROADWAYS AND CONSIDER TURF CUTS AS WELL. I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF US HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS AS WE GET NEARER TO INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE THE GROWTH ON ON SOME OF THESE ROADS, THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR YEARS NOW. WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, AND ALL OF US WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR MEDIANS CUT, ESPECIALLY THE ONES ALONG MAJOR BUSINESS CORRIDORS. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A TURF CUT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL. TAKE YOUR PICK. WHICH MAJOR STATE ROAD OUT OUTSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT THAT HAS BUSINESSES OR BUSINESSES AND CONDOMINIUMS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER. AND THEY DON'T GET TURF CUTS. THEY IT GROWS THREE FEET TALL. SO ANYWAY, JUST I'D LIKE TO IF YOU CAN GIVE ME WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO DOUBLE BACK, I'D. I'D LOVE SOME MORE FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE. THANK YOU. SORRY, COUNCILMAN. YES. NO PROBLEM. MY OTHER QUESTION IS REALLY TANGENTIAL TO PUBLIC WORKS, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PAVING OF BOTH THE PARKING LOTS OF OUR PARKS AND LIBRARIES, AS WELL AS INTERIOR STREETS WITHIN OUR LIBRARIES. I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE DEALT WITH WITH THE NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST REGIONAL, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IT SORT OF SEEMS TO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PRETTY LARGE INTERIOR. 
          WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS A STREET, IT'S NOT REALLY A DRIVEWAY. AND I THINK IT SORT OF FALLS BETWEEN THERACK BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS. AND CAN YOU TALK ABOUT IF WE HAVE TEAMS DEPLOYED TO PAVE, SHOULD THAT ALL BE MANAGED THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS VERSUS BEING SPLIT OUT AND MANAGED BY A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT? SO. WE WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THE ACTUAL NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THE CAPACITY WOULD BE. WE CERTAINLY DO COORDINATE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY HAVE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASSIST ON. WE ALSO HAVE VARIOUS PAVING CONTRACTS THAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, THAT COULD USE THOSE COSTS TO PAVE DIFFERENT AREAS. IF THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, IS THERE A FOLLOW UP? WELL, I MEAN, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. 
          IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DO? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD COMMIT TO THAT WITH OUR CURRENT CAPACITY, BUT IT'S A DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE AROUND THAT. OKAY. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE RECORD. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY AND COUNCILWOMAN BASS. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE YOU BACK. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AGAIN. THANK YOU. SHE HAD ASKED KIND OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. EXACTLY. AND I WAS JUST KIND OF REFERRING TO LIKE, STOP SIGNS, RUMBLE STRIPS. STREET LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF COME TO YOU ALL FOR KIND OF CALMING TRAFFIC MEASURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, HOW SOME OF THE STUFF IS COVERED BY YOU ALL AND SOME IS COVERED BY US. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE HOW DO YOU HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT? SO GENERALLY ON INCIDENTAL, INCIDENTAL ITEMS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DO. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF A STREET IS BEING REPAVED OR NEEDS TO BE RESTRIPED, THOSE ARE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE USUALLY AT NOT A LOT OF COST WITHIN OUR PROJECT TO DO THOSE. 
          SO WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR ADVANTAGES THERE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS A NEW PROJECT OR A WHOLE ADDITION OUTSIDE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED TO DO, THAT IS GENERALLY WHEN WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL SUPPLEMENT THOSE DOLLARS. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PARKER. 
          HURSTBOURNE LANE TURF CUT. THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS 
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COLLECTION COST. AND THE GRAPH FOR 2025. IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, IT WAS THE ALLOCATED AMOUNT WAS $331,000 APPROXIMATELY. AND THEN THE REVISED BUDGET, IT WENT UP TO 3.8 MILLION. AND THEN AND FOR THIS YEAR UPCOMING YEAR, IT'S 331 BACK DOWN TO 331 900. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE FLUCTUATION, WHY THERE'S SO MUCH FLUCTUATION THERE? SO I'LL INVITE SHANNON LOGAN TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THAT. SO THE FLUCTUATION THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER FOR ROLLOVER FUNDS FROM THE WASTE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. AND THEN IT IT'LL BE AMENDED AND THE BALANCE WILL BE ADDED TO THAT. THAT'S WHY IT GOES UP AND DOWN. CURRENTLY THE PLAN FOR THE 3 MILLION IS TO POSSIBLY IMPROVE OUR STAFF RECYCLING CENTERS AND CREATE A EDUCATION CENTER ACROSS THE STREET FROM 600 MERRIWEATHER. CREATE A. DID YOU SAY EDUCATION CENTER? YES, MA'AM. AND WHAT DOES THAT DO? THE EDUCATION CENTER WOULD BE ACROSS FROM MERRIWEATHER. JUST IT WOULD JUST BE A PLACE TO DROP OFF YOUR HOUSEHOLD. HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, ELECTRONICS. IT'LL BE MORE CENTRALIZED THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND IT ALLOWS OUR EDUCATION TEAM TO HAVE MORE PLACES TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY TO HOST EVENTS ON THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THIS COLLECTION THAT'S NOT PUBLIC WORKS GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND COLLECTING, THAT'S PEOPLE JUST DROP OFF. MERRIWEATHER. YES, MA'AM. THERE'S A DROP OFF. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. PATRON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS KIND OF A FOLLOW UP IN REGARDS TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT FLEET. RIGHT. SO PUBLIC WORKS, DO WE OWN ALL OF OUR FLEET ASSETS OR DO WE LEASE THEM? I WOULD HAVE TOOUBLE OCCA THEREIPME THI NDO BE FOR FILLN UIPMENT. GENERALLY WE OWN EVERYTHING ON OCCASION. I REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD TO RENT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO EMPTY OUR UNMANNED RECYCLING CENTERS. IS THAT CORRECT? CURRENTLY THE ONLY IT'S ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING LEASED. THAT WOULD BE A FRONT LOAD. MOST OF OUR EQUIPMENT. IT SWIMS COMPOUND IS PURCHASED. WE OWN IT. ONLY TIME WE REALL GO INTO LEASING IS IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY AND WE HAVE TO GET THE STUFF OFF THE GROUND FROM A RECYCLING CENTER. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP. SO THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION, IT WOULDN'T IT SEEM, I GUESS, A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A BIG FLEET AND THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER ON A YEARLY BUDGET TO LEASE THAT EQUIPMENT AND HAVE A, A CONTRACT WITH THE LEASING AGENT TO MAINTAIN AND, AND OVERSEE AND ALWAYS HAVE THE NEWEST EQUIPMENT AS IT COMES IN SO WE CAN RETURN THOSE LEASES IN AND ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. SO TWO THINGS. ONE ITEM IS THAT SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS SO SPECIALIZED OR SO COSTLY TO INSURE, THAT SOMETIMES IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO RENT. THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OMB AND PROCUREMENT TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF LEASING. CAN ADD ANYTHING. SURE. JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE WORKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND FLEET AND FACILITIES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FISCAL YEAR OR LAST SUMMER, LAST FALL, TO EVALUATE THAT QUESTION AND REALLY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT LEASING DOESN'T DOESN'T OFFER ANY COST SAVINGS. IT'S REALLY A NET NEUTRAL EFFECT ON BUDGET, SO IT DOESN'T OFFER ANY COST SAVINGS TO LEASE. WE'VE GOT PRETTY EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON THAT WHERE WE EVALUATED THAT OVER THE COURSE IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND FLEET AND FACILITIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, OUR THIS I THINK THIS WOULD BE COUNTY WIDE. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF CODES AND REGS FOLKS GOING OUT AND INSPECTING AREAS. AND WE WERE CITING RESIDENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, A SHED FALLING IN THEIR BACKYARD OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND IT COULD BE AN ELDERLY. AND FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE HAD A SITUATION WHERE A COGEN REGS PERSON WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ELDERLY PERSON THAT COULDN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE CITATION AND WAS GOING TO HAVE THE SHED REMOVED, BUT WAS STILL GOING TO BE CHARGED TO HAVE THAT DROPPED OFF AT MERRIWEATHER. IS 
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THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, OR IS THERE SOME PROGRAM OR SOMETHING IN THAT SYSTEM THAT WE CAN AS FAR AS AID FOR THOSE IN NEED, WE COULD LOOK AT FINDING THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR EDUCATION. IF THERE ARE PROGRAMS WE COULD IDENTIFY TO DO THAT. I KNOW THE SITUATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND WHILE IT IS UNFORTUNATE, WERE HESITANT TO SAY, ACCEPT DEBRIS FROM PRIVATE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT IS JUST NOT SCALABLE IN ANY WAY. BUT IF THERE WERE OTHER GROUPS, THAT'S POTENTIALLY SOMETHING WE COULD KEEP A BOOK OF FOR PRIVATE AID THAT PEOPLE COULD REACH OUT TO. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. AND MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR OMB THAN IT IS FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE DISCUSSION HERE EARLIER, PARTICULARLY ABOUT USD, NON USD AND ALL OF THIS FUN STUFF. AND LOOK SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ON THE COUNCIL HERE, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR A LONG TIME AND TRYING TO CLARIFY THIS IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE IT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET HERE, BUT IT WAS PART OF THE OMB IS ORIGINAL PACKAGE RELATED TO THE URBAN SERVICE VERSUS AND IS THAT DOES IT HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET OR NOT? IT'S A LITTLE FUNKY BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAW THAT WAS PASSED. SENATE BILL 129. SO YOUR ACCOUNTING AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU'RE ACCOUNTING FOR IT. I THINK YOU'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. BUT TO BE SUPER CLEAR, IN FISCAL YEAR 2023, THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT RAN A IT'S REFERENCES DIFFERENCE, BUT LET'S CALL IT 12.7 MILLION. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAD TO TAKE REVENUE FROM OUTSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT TO MAKE UP A BUDGET DEFICIT IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. THEN IN 2024, IT WAS 9.4 MILLION AND 2025 IT WAS 14.8 MILLION. AND THEN THIS YEAR IT'S 9.1 MILLION. IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR LINE THAT SAYS EXPENDITURES PER KENTUCKY SENATE BILL 129, WHAT SENATE BILL 129 ALLOWED FOR THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT? JUST TO CLEAR IT ESSENTIALLY GAVE A MULTI YEAR GLIDE PATH FOR THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT TO BECOME FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE, BECAUSE IF IT WAS DEMANDED IMMEDIATELY, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED EITHER MAJOR SERVICE CUTS OR MAJOR REVENUE INCREASES. SO THE WAY I'M READING THIS IS THIS YEAR IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, THERE'S A 9.1 MILLION I'M ROUNDING HERE, $9.1 MILLION DEFICIT IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSES. CORRECT. THAT $9 MILLION REPRESENTS. THAT'S NOT A DEFICIT NECESSARILY. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE PULLED OUT CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT EXPENDITURES THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM. THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM THE USD CALCULATION. SO WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DISTRICT. AND THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE IN SENATE BILL 129, WAS THAT IT ALLOWED A CARVE OUT FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT CARVE OUT GETS SMALLER EVERY YEAR, CORRECT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. THAT CARVE OUT REPRESENTS EXPENDITURES SPECIFIC TO THE CBD. SO THAT CARVE OUT REPRESENTS REAL EXPENDITURES RELATED TO ACTIVITIES OCCURRING IN THE CENTRAL. IT DOESN'T GET IT. IT COULD GET SMALLER DEPENDING ON IF THOSE EXPENDITURES SHRINK. BUT IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE 15% YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE SAID THAT ONLY 15% OF REVENUES OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT COULD BE USED TO OFFSET. CORRECT, CORRECT. THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT THAT THAT IS THIS IS NOT ON A SCALE WHERE IT'S RAMPED DOWN. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT SERVICES WERE EXEMPTED. SO WITHIN THIS AND WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN. BUT IT ESSENTIALLY WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF FIREHOUSES. YOU'VE GOT FIRE HEADQUARTERS. SO ALL SALARIES, EXPENDITURES RELATED TO OPERATION TO THE OPERATION OF THOSE HOUSES PLAY INTO THIS CALCULATION. THERE WERE ALSO EXPENDITURES FROM SWIMS, THE STREET LIGHTS. SO ANYTHING THAT OCCURS WITHIN THAT CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT OR I'M SORRY, DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION. SO ARE YOU SAYING STREET LIGHTS OR NO ARE NOW EXEMPTED FROM BEING PAID BY THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT IF THE EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, IF THEY ARE LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, NOT THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH IS JUST THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, THEN THOSE ARE PULLED OUT. OKAY. 
          SO COUNCILMAN, CLARIFY THEN JUST TO FOLLOW, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE LOUISVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, 
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WHICH OPERATES EXCLUSIVELY IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT BECAUSE THE COMMAND STAFF IS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE COMMAND STAFF FOR LOUISVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS PERHAPS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PORTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IS EXEMPT FROM, IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. SO EVERYBODY WHO LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR THE COMMAND STAFF, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT PROVIDES SERVICES EXCLUSIVELY INSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. THAT'S THE WAY YOU INTERPRETED THE STATE LAW. THAT WAS LOCATIONS FOR LOUISVILLE FIRE SERVICE. 
          THEY PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION TO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH ARE THINGS LIKE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. YOU HAVE THE YUM CENTER. YOU HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES WITHIN THE CBD, WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY ENJOYS, RIGHT? THEY CAN COME IN. THERE'S NO WALL AROUND THE CBD. YOU CAN COME INTO THE CBD AND THE SERVICES THAT THAT HAPPEN HERE IN THE CBD ARE TO THE BENEFIT OF ANYONE WITHIN THE COUNTY. SO WITHIN THAT, WHAT HAS BEEN DEFINED AS THE CBD? I'M DONE. NO, LET ME LET ME JUMP BACK IN THERE. NO, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE SAYING THAT NOBODY FROM THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT OR THE CBD COMES TO THE PARKLANDS, RIGHT? OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SURE. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S PARKLANDS IS THE YUM CENTER, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PLAY THE GAME OF IF WE'RE GOING TO PLAY THE GAME OF LIKE, WELL, YOU COME HERE AND WE GO THERE. SO BUT THE POINT IS SHORT OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, I HAVE TO REVISIT THE INTERPRETATION OF THESE EXEMPTIONS. AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE CLARIFYING IT. THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT HAS NEVER BEEN FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE, EVEN PRE-MERGER. I DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. SO YEAH, SINCE SINCE PRE-MERGER, THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT USED TO GET A CHECK FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN THEIR REVENUE, AND THEN SINCE THEN, THIS IS A FAIRLY CONSISTENT LINE. AND I'M GLAD, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT THE STATE WORKED WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DEFINE AND NEGOTIATE A AGREEMENT ON HOW MUCH CAN BE TRANSFERRED, PUT LIMITS ON THAT, WHICH I THINK DECREASED. I THINK THAT'S WHAT DECREASES OVER TIME IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT CAN BE USED OF NON USD MONEY INTO THE USD, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT THERE IS NOT SOME FUNKY MECHANISM OF WHICH USD MONEY GOES OUTSIDE OF THE USD. IT'S THE IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE. THAT'S CORRECT. USC MONEY DOES NOT GO OUTSIDE OF THE USD. AND IF THE CBD EXEMPTION WERE TO EVER EXCEED, WERE TO EVER CAUSE IT TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO PULL MONIES FROM OUTSIDE THE USD, THAT 15% THAT SCALE LIMIT WOULD APPLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LINIGER. YEAH, ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE FLEET COSTS AND SORRY, THIS IS LIKE A HOBBY HORSE FOR ME. DOES THE ANALYSIS OF THE NEED FOR REPLACEMENT OR REPAIR INCLUDE FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE? THAT IS TO SAY, THE DIFFERENCE IN TECHNOLOGICAL IMPROVEMENTS OF EFFICIENCY AND CAPACITY COMPARED TO NEW UNITS, OR THE COST TO CATCH BACK UP TO NEW UNITS. IS THAT PART OF OUR ANALYSIS ON THE AGING FLEET? NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CONSIDER IN THE BUSINESS CASE. TO YOUR POINT, EARLIER NEWER FLEETS OR SAFER FLEETS, THEY TEND TO HAVE BIGGER WINDOWS. THEY TEND TO HAVE BACKUP CAMERAS, THINGS THAT KEEP EVERYONE SAFER. SO IT'S NOT DIRECTLY BAKED IN. BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT. OKAY. SO THEN THAT THEN THAT NUMBER IS ALMOST CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER COMPARED TO THE EFFICIENCY THAT WE COULD HAVE IN OUR PROJECTS. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WEBER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY IN PUSHING SO MANY OF THE WAYS THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SILOS THAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO TILT. THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO ENCOURAGE FOR AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR, TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AROUND BUDGETING FOR MOBILITY, NOT JUST TRANSPORTATION? I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE WAY THAT WE DO THIS BUDGETING IN THIS PROCESS IS GREAT. OKAY. WE GOT SIDEWALKS. AND SIDEWALKS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT IN AREAS WHERE YOU CAN WALK. NOT NEARLY SO IMPORTANT IN DISTRICTS WHERE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS BECAUSE OF THE MOBILITY PIECES. SO AS WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD, JUST RECOGNIZING THAT AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS WE CAN GIVE IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE FOR ALLOCATING, YOU KNOW, IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH HAS A VERY DIVERGENT AGING POPULATION, THAT SIDEWALKS ARE HUGE, I'D MUCH RATHER BE ABLE TO HAVE THE 
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FLEXIBILITY TO SAY MOBILITY HERE MATTERS MORE THAN JUST ROADS AND CURBS. SO THAT'S FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HERNDON. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NOT A SINGLE SQUARE MILE IN THE REST OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE HEALTH OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAN THE CBD. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE CBD, SPECIFICALLY IN USD IN PARTICULAR, HAS HELPED MAKE THE REST OF THIS COMMUNITY POSSIBLE. HAVING SAID THAT, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF THE ANNUAL WATER COMPANY DIVIDENDS FROM 2003 TO 2024? SO WATER COMPANY WATER OMB CAN PROVIDE THAT? I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. I KNOW WE'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT, SO I'M GOING TO. IF SOMEONE ELSE JUMPS IN, WE MAY GO A FEW MINUTES OVER. I'M GONNA START WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE EASIEST QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC FUNDING SOURCES, AND HISTORICALLY, WE GET A CHUNK OF CHANGE FROM STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. IT'S JUST, I MEAN, ALWAYS HAVE IN THE 15 MILLION TO $7 MILLION RANGE IN FISCAL YEAR 24, IT'S ZEROED OUT WITH AN ASTERISK. DID WE GET NO STATE OR FEDERAL MONIES IN 24? THAT SEEMS ODD. AND THEN IN THE REVISED I'M SORRY. AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPROVED FOR LAST YEAR, IT WAS 8 MILLION. AND THEN THE REVISED FOR 25. IT'S 6000. SO CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE WENT DOWN TO ZERO AND THEN THROUGH VAST THERE'S ONLY 6000. I DON'T KNOW IF OMB HAS A MORE SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT I CAN ADD THAT THERE ARE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, THERE ARE MATCHES IN THERE FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS BEEN RECATEGORIZED IN SOME WAY THAT IT SHOWS UP DIFFERENTLY. BUT IN THE PROJECT SPECIFIC, THERE ARE NOTES AROUND WHAT IS FEDERALLY FUNDED, AND I WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THAT SPECIFIC LINE ITEM WHERE IT JUMPED DOWN TO SIX AND THEN WENT BACK UP TO SEVEN. IT WILL HAVE TO GET YOU SOME DETAILS ON THAT. I'M LOOKING AT STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. AND AGAIN, THE HIGHEST NUMBER WAS 19 MILLION. THE LOWEST NUMBER YOU KNOW AFTER THAT WAS 7 MILLION. SO IT'S A 19 TO 7 SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE EXCEPT FOR FY 24, WHICH WAS ZERO, AND FY 25 APPROVED WAS 8,000,241. BUT THE FY 25 REVISED IS ONLY 6000. SO I MEAN THOSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. THANK YOU. WE'LL LOOK AT IT. SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS I'D APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE AGAIN I HOPE IS MAYBE A LITTLE HARDER BUT STILL PRETTY SIMPLE. WE LOOK AT MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES. YOU GUYS IDENTIFIED MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET AS BEING $40,100. YOU REVISED THE FY 25 BUDGET TO BE $40,100 IN MISCELLANEOUS, WHICH IN A BUDGET OUR SIZE SEEMS REASONABLE. AND THEN THIS YEAR, THE BUDGET. IT'S 759,500. WHAT DID WE LUMP INTO THAT MISCELLANEOUS THAT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER MISCELLANEOUS BEFORE? THAT'S A PRETTY BIG JUMP. I BELIEVE I'LL LET OMB EXPAND ON IT. I CAN TELL YOU WHAT SPECIFICALLY THOSE ITEMS ARE, BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS TO DO WITH A RECLASSIFICATION. SO WE INCLUDED IN INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. IT'S WERE THERE LARGE JUMPS IN ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WEREN'T MISCELLANEOUS BEFORE BUT ARE MISCELLANEOUS THIS YEAR? LANDSCAPING GAS AND UTILITY EQUIPMENT AND THEN. CAN CAN YOU GIVE US A BREAKOUT OF THAT AT SOME POINT? YES. WE CAN GET THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH I JUST IT'S A BIG JUMP. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION THIS ONE IS HUGE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS I'M ADDRESSING THIS TO. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE LOUISVILLE LOOP FOR A VERY LONG TIME. LONGER I THINK, THAN LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM. EXCEPT MAYBE ME. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED BY NOW. AND THE EXPENSE? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALREADY FINISHED PAYING FOR IT AS WELL. 
          THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SOURCES OF REVENUE OUT HERE. SOME OF THEM STILL HAVE POTS OF MONEY LEFT IN THEM, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GETTING CLOSE TO BEING FULLY ENCUMBERED. CAN CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO BIG PICTURE? WHERE ARE WE? I MEAN, ARE WE HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO FINISH WITH THE LOUISVILLE LOOP? AND AT SOME POINT I DON'T KNOW IF TODAY'S THE DAY. HOW OVER BUDGET ARE WE ON THIS THING AND WHEN EXACTLY DO WE ANTICIPATE ACTUALLY FINISHING. SO AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR I'M HOPING SOMEBODY TODAY CAN SPEAK TO THE LOUISVILLE LOOP. AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK TO 
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THE LOUISVILLE. THANK YOU. SO TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT GETS ATTENTION GETS DONE. AND FOR THAT EXACT REASON, WE HIRED A PROJECT MANAGER TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THE LOUISVILLE LOOP. 
          MOST OF THE LOUISVILLE LOOP FUNDING HAS COME HISTORICALLY FROM GRANTS AND FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH, AS YOU UNDERSTAND, CAN TAKE A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO FULFILLING OUR THE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE WORKING WITH PARKS. WE HAVE GONE BACK AND REVISITED THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE LOUISVILLE LOOP. THERE ARE SOME ITEMS IN THERE THAT REALLY NEVER GOT ACTIONED ON, LIKE CLARIFYING MAINTENANCE, WHO DOES MAINTENANCE, WHAT'S NEEDED FOR IT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PLAN TO REVISIT IS PROBABLY REVISING THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE LOUISVILLE LOOP, FIGURING OUT HOW TO FUND IT. MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK, QUITE HONESTLY, WE COULD HAVE DESIGNED BUILT THE THING FOR WHAT WE SPENT IN GRANT MATCHES HISTORICALLY. SO I THINK THAT WHAT WE, WHILE WE ARE COMMITTED TO FULFILLING OUR GRANT OBLIGATIONS WITH THE LOOP MOVING FORWARD, GRANTS ARE PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WAY TO BUILD THE REST OF IT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. WE HOPE TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE ON THE LOOP IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS. WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT I'LL JUST POINT OUT, AND I APPRECIATE THE GRANTS IS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD POINT OUT 1234, FIVE JUST A REAL QUICK LOOK. THERE ARE SEVEN BONDS WHERE WE BORROWED MONEY SEVEN TIMES AND THAT ARE OLDER THAN 2019. SO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT MONEY ON THE BOOKS FROM 2015, 2016, 2019. WE'VE GOT A BOND IN HERE, A CAPITAL BOND FROM FY09 AND A SECOND CAPITAL BOND FROM FY09. SO THIS ISN'T GRANT MONEY. WE BORROWED THIS MONEY AND IT'S SITTING THERE. SO IS THERE A IS THERE A SPECIFIC QUESTION? I KNOW THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE SPECIFICALLY ON EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS IS MAYBE A BEST NEXT STEP IS FOR EACH PROJECT. WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY THE STATUS AND WHEN CAN YOU EXPECT THOSE TO BE COMPLETED OR YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. OR PERHAPS EVEN IF YOU COULD TELL ME THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS SECTION OF THE OF THE PROJECT THAT WE BORROWED THE MONEY FOR EITHER WAS FINISHED AND THE MONEY'S JUST SITTING THERE, WE NEED TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'VE RUN INTO SUCH A ROADBLOCK THERE THAT WE'RE MOVING ON OTHERS. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW WE PLAN ON SPENDING SEVEN DIFFERENT BORROWS POTS OF BORROWED MONEY. I WOULD THINK THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME PIECE OF THE LOOP FINISHED. YES, SO THAT ALL BONDED MONEY IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS, THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT SECTION OF THE LOOP THAT IS FOR, RIGHT? AND STRATEGICALLY, THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO MOVE IS TO STARTING TO CONNECT GAPS IN THE LOOP TO MAKE IT AS, AS WHOLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE THIS MONEY THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE FROM 2009 TO GET SOME OF THAT TAKEN CARE OF? I THAT'S MY QUESTION. AND AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE I'LL WAIT FOR THAT. BUT IN THE DOLLARS THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY ARE DOLLARS THAT ARE MATCHED TO FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN AWARDED. SO THERE WE CAN GO BACK AND DO A REVIEW OF POTENTIAL OTHER SOURCES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MISSED. AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND I BELIEVE FOUND SOME FUNDING, BUT WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AND GET A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE COSTS. AND SOME OF THOSE FEDERAL GRANTS ARE SPECIFIC TO THE TO THE PIECE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU CAN'T WRITE THE GRANT. MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON THE SCOPE OF THE GRANT. OKAY. GREAT. 
          THANKS. I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOU BRINGING THAT BACK. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT PUTS US JUST A FEW MINUTES OVER. I APOLOGIZE FOR RUNNING OVER. I APPRECIATE YOUR HANGING AROUND FOR THAT EXTRA COUPLE OF MINUTES. COLLEAGUES WILL TAKE A BRIEF RECESS, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH EXTERNAL AFFAIRS. I'M SORRY. EXTERNAL AGENCIES? YES, SIR. 
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YES. 
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GOOD AFTERNOON, COLLEAGUES. WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED BACK AGAIN. IT IS, WHAT, 445 447 WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET GOING WITH. EXTERNAL AGENCIES. SO WELCOME BACK. COUNCILMAN 
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KEVIN CRAMER AGAIN CHAIR THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, AGAIN JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN WINKLER, JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILMAN SHAMIKA PIERCE WRIGHT, ALSO JOINED BY CRYSTAL BASS AND COUNCILWOMAN WOOLDRIDGE. ONLINE IN CHAMBERS IS COUNCILMAN WATKINS HAWKINS. I KEEP ASKING HER TO CHANGE HER NAME AND SHE'S REFUSES. COUNCILMAN PARKER, COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. COUNCILMAN. RENA WEBER. COUNCILMAN. JOSEPH. COUNCILMAN LINENGER. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN. MCCRANIE. I GOT THAT RIGHT. YOU GOT IT RIGHT. 
          WELL, I FIGURED I MESSED UP WHEN I HAD TO GET THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT. OKAY. AND COUNCILMAN CHAPEL IS BACK IN THE ROOM. OTHERS THAT WERE HERE BEFORE WILL BE JOINING, AND I WILL NOT TAKE THE TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. WE WILL CONTINUE OUR HEARINGS WITH THE EXTERNAL AGENCY PANELS. AS A REMINDER, DEPARTMENTS WILL NOT MAKE OPENING COMMENTS, AND WE WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTIONS. I WILL REMIND YOU BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING THE COMPOUND EAF, SOCIAL SERVICES, E VIOLENCE PREVENTION SERVICES AND EAF ARTS. TOTAL PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET IS $2.25 MILLION, THE SAME AS FY 25 AS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL IN THE FY 24 BUDGET. THE EAF PROCESS WAS ANALYZED AND CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY FOR FY 26, AND THE EAF IS EXTERNAL AGENCY FUND GRANTS, RESULTING IN LESS EXTERNAL AGENCY FUND GRANTS BEING AWARDED FOR FY 26 COMPARED TO FY 25 AND PRIOR YEARS. WELCOME. WELCOME, DIRECTORS PATRICIA WILLIAMS AND JOSH SWETNAM FROM THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CARLA KIRBY FROM THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION, AND DIRECTOR JESSICA KINCAID FROM THE ARTS AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIES AT THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY 
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DEVELOPMENT. LET ME START OFF BY ASKING THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION OF THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. BRIEFLY EXPLAIN, PLEASE, THE EXTERNAL AGENCY FUNDING, SOCIAL SERVICE PROCESS CHANGES. DID THE CHANGES IN THE FY 26 EAF SOCIAL SERVICES PROCESS RECEIVED THE DESIRED RESULTS? THE DEPARTMENT ANTICIPATED. GOOD EVENING. PATRICIA WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. YES, SO WE SAW GREAT RESULTS FROM THE PROCESS CHANGES, ONE OF THEM BEING IN RESPONSE TO THE AGENCIES AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL TO ADD A MINIMUM AWARD AMOUNT OF 25,000, IN ORDER TO BE MORE IMPACTFUL IN SERVICE DELIVERY IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ALSO ADDED AN AWARD RECOMMENDATION TO THE PANEL SCORING PROCESS TO HELP US REALLY ASSESS, ALONG WITH THE SCORE, THE AVERAGE SCORE, HOW MUCH FUNDING THE PANELISTS WANTED TO ALLOCATE TO THE PROGRAM. WE SAW THAT 98% OF OUR PANELISTS SHARED A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE VOLUNTEERING AND PROVIDED GREAT FEEDBACK. WE ALSO PROVIDED NUMEROUS TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, BOTH INSIDE OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS WITH SUSAN DURHAM. WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ON JUST TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. WE REALLY ENCOURAGE USE OF AI ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO SUPPORT AGENCIES WITH ENSURING THEY WERE ABLE TO SUBMIT A VERY HIGH QUALITY APPLICATION. WE ALSO, LASTLY, REALLY NARROWED OUR SCOPE OF PRIORITIES TO ALIGN STRONGLY WITH OUR ACTION PLAN, WHICH PUTS A STRONG EMPHASIS ON HOMELESSNESS AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR THE UNHOUSED, FOR SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHICS, WHERE WE IDENTIFIED GAPS IN SERVICE PROVISION IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE IN THE QUEUE. WHERE WELL, HANG ON, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE THEN. SORRY ABOUT THAT, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NO WORRIES. THIS MAY BE MORE FOR OMB THAN EXTERNAL AGENCY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BUDGET'S RESTRUCTURED, I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP AS AN ASK. I'M FINE WITH. ESSENTIALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE 2.6 MILLION TO THE TO THE EAF SPECIFIC MONEY. 
          HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOW MOVED IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT I LOOKED AT LAST YEAR'S AND I LOOKED AT THIS YEAR'S, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. I WANT TO BE SUPER CLEAR. WE MOVED ALL OF THIS CONTRACTUAL ACTIVITY FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES UNDER THE TOPIC OF EAF. 
          OKAY. SO FROM A BUDGETARY POINT OF VIEW, IT LOOKS FUNKY BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE 10 MILLION TO 33 MILLION, BUT WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THE 10.8 MILLION FOR THE ARENA AUTHORITY IN THERE, WHICH USED TO BE IN A SEPARATE BUDGET ITEM. MY ASK WOULD BE CAN OMB? AND I DON'T KNOW, AARON, IF YOU WANT TO SAY YES OR NO OR WHOMEVER, BUT CAN CAN WE JUST GET A VERY SIMPLE BREAKDOWN? BECAUSE I WAS I WAS GOING THROUGH BOTH BUDGETS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEIR INCREASES. IS EVERYTHING THE SAME? IS IT NOT THE SAME? CAN WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE 33 OR THE CONTRACTUAL SECTION, SEPARATE THE EAF AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THIS CAME FROM THIS SECTION OF THE BUDGET LAST YEAR AND THIS IS THE SAME THIS CAME FROM THIS SECTION, THE BUDGET. WE ADDED THIS LINE ITEM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OMB CAN PROVIDE? AARON JACKSON WITH OMB? THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE. AND AM I BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN. MAYOR. COUNCILWOMAN. PARKER. OKAY. I HAVE SERVED ON THE EXTERNAL GRANT REVIEW PROCESS SEVERAL YEARS, SEVERAL TIMES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOME OF US WOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS MEASURABLE OUTCOMES, BECAUSE IT IT WOULD DRIVE SOME OF US CRAZY THAT A LOT OF THESE NONPROFITS, THEY JUST REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MEASURABLE OUTCOMES ARE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIKED IT, OR THEY FILLED OUT A NICE SURVEY. I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS DEVELOPED A PROTOCOL FOR MEASURABLE, A MEANINGFUL PROTOCOL FOR MEASURABLE OUTCOMES, AND IF SO, WHAT WERE THE TOP THREE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES THAT YOU ASK FOR? SO WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED OUR REQUEST FOR ROI. SO RETURN ON 
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INVESTMENT. WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF THOSE DOLLARS. AS A REMINDER, DIRECTOR SWETNAM AND I STARTED FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR. SO MANY OF THESE CHANGES WERE IMPLEMENTED EFFECTIVE FY 25. SO WE HAVE ALIGNED SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT AGENCIES WILL NEED TO MEASURE, AND THEY CAN SHARE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO SHARE WITH US. BUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE REQUIRED IN FY 25 INCLUDE STEPS TOWARDS HOUSING STABILITY. SO REALLY BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING, IF THEY WERE UNIFIED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCESS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. WE ARE MEASURING A NUMBER OF THINGS IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE BEFORE. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AT THE END OF FY 25 IS A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT OUT, AS WELL AS A DASHBOARD THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW AGENCIES NOT ONLY HAVE PUT ALL THESE INPUTS IN, BUT WHAT THE OVERALL OUTCOMES AND IMPACTS HAVE REALLY BEEN. OKAY, AND YOU DECIDED TO GIVE EVERY AGENCY A BARE MINIMUM OF 25,000, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR PERFORMANCE WAS IN THE PAST. SO THE MINIMUM REQUESTED AWARD COULD BE 25,000. SO IN THE PAST, WE HAD SOME AGENCIES THAT REQUESTED $10,000, OR WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PANEL MEMBERS TO AWARD AMOUNTS LOWER THAN 25,000. AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT IN THE LONG RUN ON BOTH SIDES IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO ESTABLISHING THE REPORTS, AND EVEN AT THE BEGINNING, SETTING UP THE WORK PROGRAM AND BUDGET AND THE CONTRACT. AND IT'S A LOT OF TIME INVESTMENT THAT REALLY JUST DIDN'T SEEM WORTH IT FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS. SO THE MINIMUM REQUEST WAS 25,000, BUT THERE WAS NO MAXIMUM THEY COULD REQUEST AS MUCH AS THEY WANTED. AND THEN THE PANEL REVIEWERS WOULD ADD ALONG WITH THEIR SCORE. HEY, PATRICIA, WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND 50,000 OF THE 100,000 THAT YOU REQUESTED. NOW, WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE ASKED AGENCIES TO INCLUDE DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THEIR WORK AND THEIR SERVICE. BUT THERE WAS NOT A SPECIFIC CORRELATION WITH WHAT I'M DESCRIBING IN TERMS OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TRACKING, BECAUSE IT'S STILL IN PROCESS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER, AND WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE TEAM, IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THE FIRST TIME, OR THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A PROGRAM THAT HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED. SO IN THOSE CASES, WE WON'T HAVE THAT DATA. WE WILL STILL HAVE TO RELY ON THEM TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN TRACKING IN THE PAST FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN? OKAY. THANK YOU. I GUESS I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE 25 K BASE BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR THEM, BUT THEY'RE GETTING FREE MONEY TOO, SO THEY GOT TO BE WILLING TO PUT IN THE WORK. 
          SO OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPLIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO ME, CHAIR. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I CAN ASK ABOUT ANY ONE OF THE THREE PANELS. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. I CAN NOT FIND IT IN ALL OF MY DOCUMENTS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT REFUSED FUNDING, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE SALVATION ARMY. CAN ANYONE SPEAK TO WHY THAT IS? AND I CAN CONTINUE TRYING TO SEARCH FOR IT. SO THE SALVATION ARMY DID NOT MEET THE DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICATION PERIOD. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAD SOME TURNOVER IN STAFF AND IT WAS JUST MISSED BY THEIR ORGANIZATION. WHEN THEY REACHED OUT, THE PANEL PROCESS WAS NEAR COMPLETION. WE DID NOT FEEL THAT WE SHOULD REOPEN THE F PROCESS. IT IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS AND THERE WERE MANY NOTICES THAT WERE SENT OUT TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, AS WELL AS AGENCIES THAT WERE ON OUR DISTRIBUTION LIST. HOWEVER, WE DID ALLOW THEM TO APPLY FOR OUR HUD GRANTS, WHICH ALSO SUPPORTS THEIR WORK OF HOUSING AND THEIR GRANT APPLICATION WAS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING. BASED ON THE PANEL REVIEW PROCESS. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO FIND THAT. SO I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT COMMUNITY MINISTRIES. I BELIEVE THAT LAST YEAR THEY HAD. 
          THEY REQUESTED. I'M SO SORRY. THEIR REQUESTED BUDGET IS 2.5 MILLION. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE GETTING. 1.65 MILLION. IS THAT CORRECT? COULD YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT 
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DECREASE AND THEN ALSO SPEAK TO WITH THE COMMUNITY MINISTRIES, ALL 13 OF THOSE, THE ONES THAT ARE STILL ACTIVE, WHAT METRICS DO YOU RECEIVE FROM THEM? I UNDERSTAND THE PERCENTAGE AND HOW THAT'S CALCULATED AND HOW THAT'S DISTRIBUTED. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, DOES THIS MONEY GO SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS EVICTION PREVENTION, OR CAN IT ALSO BE APPLIED TOWARDS THINGS LIKE FACILITIES RENTAL OR SALARIES? ABSOLUTELY. SO I AM GOING TO CALL UP OUR MANAGER FOR PLANNING COMPLIANCE TO SUPPORT ME IN THIS RESPONSE. CHRISTINA BUNCH, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR LAST YEAR, COMMUNITY MINISTRIES WERE AWARDED 1.4 MILLION, AND THIS YEAR THEIR REQUEST TO OSS WAS FOR 1.6 AND 2 MILLION. SO THEY GAVE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR US TO INCREASE EITHER 1.6 OR TO 2 MILLION. THEY RECEIVED THEIR RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR THE 1.6 MILLION. AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST AN 18% INCREASE FROM WHAT THEY WERE FUNDED LAST YEAR. 
          THEY LATER SENT AN EMAIL TO NOTIFY US THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY ARE ASSUMING THAT THERE MAY BE MORE OF A NEED FOR THEIR SERVICES DUE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND CERTAIN FUNDING BEING POTENTIALLY AT RISK FOR OTHER NONPROFITS. SO THEY MADE THAT REQUEST FOR 2.5 MILLION SOLELY BASED ON ANTICIPATED CHANGE IN THEIR THEIR SERVICE OR NEED FOR THEIR SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. CHRISTINA. HI, I'M CHRISTINA BUNCH. I AM THE SOCIAL SERVICE POLICY AND ADVOCACY MANAGER FOR THE PLANNING COMPLIANCE TEAM AT THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. SO THE MINISTRY'S BUDGET. SO THEY THEY VARY SIGNIFICANTLY. THEY PROVIDE HELP WITH SALARIES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE ARE ALSO SOME DIRECT CLIENT ASSISTANCE AND SOME OPERATIONAL. 
          SO IT'S JUST A MIX DEPENDING ON WHICH ON THE LOCATION OF THE MINISTRY. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD GET THAT? COUNCILWOMAN BAST, YOUR SPEAKERS AS WELL? SO I'LL JUST SAY BEST. CAN YOU TELL? THANKS. I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, I PROMISE. COUNCILMAN WINKLER WAS GOING TO OFFER A CLARIFICATION FOR YOU. I, I THINK SHE ACTUALLY JUST COVERED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO REQUEST I WOULD I WOULD REALLY LIKE MORE OF OVERSIGHT INTO EACH ONE OF THEM. HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY EMPLOY, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST PICKING THIS ONE OUT BECAUSE IT'S IN MY DISTRICT OR SERVES PART OF MY DISTRICT, BUT LIKE MUSCLE, THEY'RE GETTING $307,000. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TOWARDS SALARY? HOW MUCH IS THAT IS GOING TOWARDS THE SENIOR CENTER? HOW MUCH OF THAT AND THEY HAVE THIS ISN'T THEIR OPERATING FUNDS FOR THE YEAR. SO WE DON'T HAVE OVERSIGHT INTO THAT. AND SO LIKE HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY THAT LOUISVILLE METRO IS GIVING TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS IS FILLING THEIR ENTIRE OPERATIONAL BUDGET? AND THIS IS A GREAT, GREAT, GREAT NEED. AND I AM BY NO MEANS I DON'T WANT MY REQUEST FOR OVERSIGHT TO INDICATE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THEY PROVIDE A VERY VITAL SERVICE, AND I THINK PROBABLY 2.5 MILLION IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET OF WHAT THE ACTUAL NEED IS. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE'RE CRITICIZING THINGS THAT COULD BE RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A MICROSCOPE TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO. ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. I DO HAVE ONE PIECE HERE. IF THIS HELPS. WE DO KNOW THAT SEVEN OF THE MINISTRIES OUT OF THE 13 ARE USING 100% OF THEIR FUNDING FOR OPERATIONS AND SALARIES. SO I WOULD SAY THAT MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS GOING TOWARDS SALARIES. I KNOW, THANK YOU. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, JUST NOTICING IN NUMBERS BETWEEN THE THREE DIFFERENT BUCKETS, THEY'VE CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN THE NUMBER OF AWARDEES THIS YEAR. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE'S TWO IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HAPPEN. ONE, IT WENT FROM 600,000 TO 750,000. SO WE HAD AN INCREASE. BUT THE MINIMUM YOU COULD ASK FOR WAS $25,000. SO THAT THOSE TWO COMPONENTS DEFINITELY SHIFTED THINGS, AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. BUT IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WE AWARDED GRANTS TO 96 EXTERNAL AGENCIES. 
          THIS PROPOSED BUDGET RECOMMENDS FUNDING TO 43 AGENCIES. SO AS A COUNCIL PERSON WHO GETS ASKED A 
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LOT TO FILL THE NEED THAT ISN'T FILLED COVERED IN THIS BUDGET, I'M WONDERING HOW THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IMPACT US, BUT MORE SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY? AND, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU ALL DOING AN ANALYSIS ON WHAT HASN'T BEEN FUNDED AND WHAT WHAT HOLES NEED TO BE FILLED? I WILL ANSWER THAT. JESSICA KINCAID, OFFICE OF ARTS AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIES I DO THINK MAYBE ARTS AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIES IS A BIT OF AN OUTLIER. LAST YEAR I THINK WE AWARDED 22 GRANTEES. THIS YEAR WE'RE AWARDING 20. SO WE DID NOT DECREASE THAT MANY. BUT WE ARE. 
          WE DO MONITOR YEAR OVER YEAR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED FOR THE PREVIOUS SEVERAL FISCAL YEARS. YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY GET CONTACTED BY THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY FUNDED AND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WEREN'T THIS YEAR. WE DO REMIND ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS AND AGENCIES EACH YEAR THAT IT IS A COMPETITIVE GRANT CYCLE. BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE SHIFTED OUR OUR PROGRAM FORMAT THIS YEAR, WE ARE LOOKING AT FUTURE PLANS TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S MINDFUL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AGENCIES ARE MINDFUL OF THAT. AND WE HAVE SORT OF A SUCCESSION PLAN SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FUNDING A WIDESPREAD GROUP OF ORGANIZATIONS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF PERCEIVED DEDICATED FUNDING TO A HANDFUL YEAR OVER YEAR THINGS. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WENT FROM 22 TO 20 FOR THE ARTS. THE OTHER ONES WERE 43 TO 12 AND 31 TO 11. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. JUST TO NOTE WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE TO VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND ALSO. HOUSING, SOCIAL SERVICES, SOCIAL SERVICES. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. SO I THINK THAT SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL OF. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. COUNCILMAN. PASTOR YOU'RE NOT NEXT IN THE QUEUE. BUT I THOUGHT YOUR QUESTION WAS A DIRECT FOLLOW UP. IS THAT TRUE OR WAS YOUR MICROPHONE JUST ON MY MICROPHONE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE EXACT FOLLOW UP. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I MAY COME BACK TO YOU THEN. THERE ARE SOME OTHERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF. I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION, NOT ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS HAD THREE SCORES. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A JUDGMENT MADE THAT WE WERE GOING TO AVERAGE SCORES IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT. I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR EXTERNAL AGENCIES IS FLAT THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S A DECREASE OF THE OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET. AND WE ARE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, MANY FEWER PROJECTS. SO THE SCORING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE PROCESS. AND ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LOOKED AT ONE OF THESE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY SOMEONE WHO WASN'T FUNDED FOR OSS, AND ESSENTIALLY THEY HAD TWO SCORES, TWO SCORES THAT WOULD HAVE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SAFELY IN. AND THEN ONE SCORER WHO GAVE THEM, LIKE ALL ONES AND TWOS AND RECOMMENDED $1 FOR THEIR TOTAL FUNDING AMOUNT. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A VETO BY ONE PERSON ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT BEING EVEN CONSIDERED FOR FUNDING FOR EAF. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM IN PROCESS WHEN WE'RE MAKING THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A VERY, VERY COMPETITIVE ONLY SCORES AT A JC, A AT 93% ARE GOING TO MAKE THE CUT FOR OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME REAL PROCESS PROBLEMS HERE OF HOW WE'RE EVALUATING THESE PROJECTS FOR WHAT IS, IN MY OPINION, SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNDING WE DO AND SHOULD BE GREATLY INCREASED, IN MY OPINION, FOR ROOT CAUSES OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY. SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT CAN WE DO TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S GETTING THE SCORE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING AND TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE EVALUATING THESE ON AN EVEN LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. HELLO, CARLA KIRBY WITH THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION, IN RESPONSE TO A PARTIAL IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION. SO THIS YEAR, WE OUR REVIEW PROCESS WAS THE SAME AS IN THE PAST YEARS. SO WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 16 REVIEWERS. EACH REVIEWER HAD THREE APPLICATIONS, HAD EACH APPLICATION HAD THREE REVIEWERS. AND SOME OF THEM THEY HAD BETWEEN 15 TO 16. AND SO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE CUTOFF AND THE POINTS THIS YEAR. AND THIS IS ALSO IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL'S REMARK IS THAT LAST YEAR, OF THE 41 EAF GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO 
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THE AGENCIES, 31 OF THOSE WERE $10,000 OR LESS. AND OF THOSE, I THINK THERE WERE THERE WERE NINE THAT ACTUALLY GOT FUNDED ANYWHERE FROM 40,000 TO MAYBE 75,000, WHICH IS OUR MAX, OUR THRESHOLD. SO WE WERE ABLE TO SPREAD THAT MONEY OUT A LOT MORE. HOWEVER, THERE'S LESS IMPACT. YOU KNOW, THESE THESE AGENCIES HAD ASKED FOR GRANTS, SOME OF THEM $200,000, AND WE GAVE THEM 10,000. SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM THE ACTIVITIES, ANY OUTPUTS OTHER THAN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BUYING, BUYING SOME SNACKS AND SOME PAPER, YOU KNOW, SOME ART SUPPLIES. SO THIS YEAR, WITH OUR GRANT REVIEW PANEL, IT WAS DECIDED THAT WITH THE $25,000 MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE WERE REWARDING, WE MAXED THAT OUT AT 75,000. SO IT WAS VERY, VERY, VERY COMPETITIVE. AND WHAT WE ASKED OUR REVIEW TEAM TO DO IS THIS IS NOT WE MADE THIS NO LONGER A SUBJECTIVE KIND OF PROCESS. WE ASKED THEM TO REVIEW THE SCORES. WE HAD THREE REVIEWERS. THERE WERE ONLY JUST A COUPLE OF APPLICANTS THAT ONLY HAD TWO REVIEWERS, AND THOSE WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IF THOSE SCORES WERE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, THEN WE WERE FINE WITH THAT. BUT IF THERE WAS AN OUTLIER WITH ONE OF THEM, THEN WE HAD THEM TO COME TOGETHER AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOUR ISSUES OR CONCERNS WITH THIS APPLICATION? AND SO WE GOT THEM CLOSER TOGETHER. SO WHEN, WHEN WE DID, WHEN THE PANEL REVIEW CAME TOGETHER AND PROVIDED THEIR SCORES AND SAID WHICH AGENCIES THEY WANTED TO RECOMMEND FUNDING FOR, WE GOT RID OF THE OBJECT, THE SUBJECTIVITY AND SAYS, OKAY, WE HAVE $750,000. WE WENT THROUGH THE SCORES, STARTED DEDUCTING YOU WANT 75, YOU WANT 75, YOU WANT 50, YOU WANT 39. UNTIL WE GOT TO ZERO, THAT WAS 12 APPLICATIONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FUND THIS YEAR. PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY WERE ASKING. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE FUNDED LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE ASKING, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW EVALUATION AND DATA COLLECTION DIVISION, AND WE REALLY RELY ON THAT TEAM TO BE ABLE TO TELL US, HOW CAN WE GET TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IMPACT? HOW CAN WE SHOW MORE IMPACT? HOW CAN WE TRAIN THESE AGENCIES AND PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO THEM SO THAT THEY ARE MAKING IMPACT? AND HOW DO WE HELP THEM MEASURE THAT IMPACT? SO $10,000 IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AND WHEN THEY THESE AGENCIES DO THESE FABULOUS PROGRAMS AND THEY WORK REALLY HARD TO DO THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS AND PUT THEM TOGETHER, WE ALSO PROVIDED TRAINING TO THE GRASSROOTS, YOU KNOW, THE LOW CAPACITY, WE CALL THEM LOW CAPACITY GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS IN IN THE COMMUNITIES. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND THE FAMILIES IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. WE SUSAN DURHAM PROVIDED TRAINING AND SAID, USE I. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GREAT GRANT WRITER TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE DOLLARS. AND SO THESE ARE CHALLENGES THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING GRANTS MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, AND THESE ARE INEVITABLY THE PROBLEMS AND THE CHALLENGES WITH GRANTING AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE FUNDING OUT THERE TO THOSE THAT NEED IT. SO I'M SORRY TO RAMBLE. SO IF I DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CAN YOU REPEAT IT? BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BACKSTORY TO THIS IN THAT PROCESS. WE KNOW THE PROCESS IS NOT PERFECT. WE HAVE A SERVICE NOW. IT REALLY IT CHANGED EVERYTHING 90%. BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT HUMAN ELEMENT. YOU STILL HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REVIEWING THESE APPLICATIONS. 
          WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM. SO YOU KNOW WITH THAT. SO THANK YOU. THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE IN THIS PROCESS WERE REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL. JUST SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. RIGHT. AND WE REQUESTED PRECISELY THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THAT ARE BEING DESCRIBED HERE. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND LET COUNCILMAN WINKLER GIVE YOU A BROADER PICTURE OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS WAS, AND WHY SOME OF US BELIEVE IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. YEAH. THANK YOU, CHAIR KRAMER. AND SO, AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON A NUMBER OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE, WE HAD DISCREPANCIES WITH THE SCORING. ONE HISTORICAL ISSUE THAT WE HEARD A LOT FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES IS, YOU KNOW, EITHER THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE PAPERWORK AND THEY WERE TOTALLY DISQUALIFIED OR THERE WAS A PERCEIVED MISTAKE AND THEY WERE DISQUALIFIED. BUT IT TURNS OUT THE MISTAKE WAS ACTUALLY BY THE REVIEWER, NOT BY THE SUBMITTING ENTITY. AND SO WE AND THE OTHER FEEDBACK WE GOT IS, GOSH, WE REALLY SPREAD OURSELVES THIN. YOU KNOW, DO THESE GRANTS FOR $5,000 HAVE ANY IMPACT WHATSOEVER? AND SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF US THAT SO WE HAD CHALLENGED THE EAF ADMINISTRATORS TO PUT TOGETHER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW THAT PROCESS MIGHT BE. RE REIMAGINED. PART OF IT IS THAT FOCUS ON IMPACT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S GOT TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25,000. I THINK THE OTHER FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD GIVEN WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD REQUEST $50,000. AND BECAUSE WE 
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WERE TRYING TO FUND EVERYBODY, WE'D SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T GIVE YOU 50, HERE'S 20, GO DO YOUR BEST. AND THEN WE'D SAY, WELL, WHY DIDN'T WE GET THE RESULTS THAT WE WERE HOPING TO GET? AND SO THE IDEA WAS CONCENTRATE THE RESOURCES, FUND THE TOP PROJECTS FULLY SO THAT THE AGENCY CAN EXECUTE. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S STILL NOT PERFECT. AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO REFINE, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'VE GOT A MISSING SCORE. THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS THAT. 
          BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY IT'S A DECISION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, THIS COUNCIL OF WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? DO WE WANT TO BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE AND GIVE EVERYBODY JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND EVERYBODY FEELS GOOD, BUT NOBODY REALLY DOES ANYTHING THAT ACCOMPLISHES ANYTHING. OR DO WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE OUR RESOURCES IN A WAY TOWARDS THE PROJECTS THAT THE PANEL BELIEVES WILL HAVE THE MAXIMUM IMPACT? AGAIN, I THINK FOR THE GUIDANCE FOR THIS YEAR, WE CHOSE TO GO IN THE DIRECTION OF THE MAXIMUM IMPACT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT HAS TO BE THE GUIDANCE IN THE FUTURE. IT'S CERTAINLY ONE THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR, BUT I HAVE ONE ONE VOTE OUT OF 26. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION, COUNCILMAN LINENGER, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. YES. THANK YOU. 
          AND SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE CONCENTRATION AND IN FACT, FOR OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION, THE MAJORITY OF THE SCORES OF THE HIGHEST SCORES WERE FOR AGENCIES THAT WERE AWARDED AT THE MAX OR VERY NEAR THE MAX, INCLUDING UNTIL THE LAST ONE RECEIVING. THEY ASKED FOR THE MAX AND THEY RECEIVED THE REMAINDER. AND SO THAT ONLY LEAVES A FEW THAT COME TO MY NEXT QUESTION, MAYBE EVEN ONLY ONE IN OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. BUT WE CHANGED THE REPORTING GUIDELINES FROM QUARTERLY FOR IF YOU RECEIVED LESS THAN $40,000, THAT PUTS THE REPORTING REQUIREMENT AT LOWER THAN WHAT WE IF WE AWARD THROUGH NDF HERE AT THE COUNCIL, WE REQUIRE QUARTERLY REPORTS. AND YET NOW WE'VE WE'VE LOWERED THIS THRESHOLD. AND I GUESS I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF WE THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. I GUESS THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION. A QUESTION FOR SUSAN. SHE'S GOT OMB MADE THAT CHANGE. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS I JUST I WONDER ABOUT LOWERING THE REPORTING THRESHOLD, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO WHAT WE, WE AWARD HERE AT COUNCIL AND THEN. I'LL JUMP BACK IN THE QUEUE FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN BASS. THANK YOU. I THINK I JUST KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE QUESTION. SOME QUESTIONS PERTAINING I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS. AND I'M GOING TO USE THESE TWO TO PICK ONE. SO WHEN I'M LOOKING OVER THE AGENCIES FOR EXAMPLE CENTER FOR WOMEN'S AND FAMILY. SO I'M USING THAT ONE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY LIVED IN THE CENTER OF WOMEN AND FAMILY AS A CHILD FOR MANY YEARS. AND THEN I LOOK AT LIKE THE HOUSE OF RUTH, HOW ARE WE GOING FROM ONE ORGANIZATION GETTING $1 MILLION TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION ONLY GETTING 142,000? THAT'S HELPING FAMILY AND CHILDREN. AND WHEN I LOOK UP THE HOUSE OF RUTH, SO THEIR LAST 990 WAS AUDIT WAS IN 2021. AND THEIR ANNUAL REPORT, THE LAST ONE DONE WAS IN 2022. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHERE'S THE FOLLOW THROUGH AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. THAT STARTED AROUND $500,000 AND NOW IS UP TO $1 MILLION, WHERE SOME OF THESE OTHER AGENCIES ARE NOT EVEN A FOURTH OF THAT. AND I THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HOW HOW THAT HAPPENS. HI, THIS IS CHRISTINA BUNCH FROM THE OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES PLANNING COMPLIANCE TEAM MANAGER. SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY FOR HOUSE OF RUTH. THEY GET HOPWA AND THAT'S HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PERSONS WITH AIDS. AND THEY HAVE ABOUT $1.6 MILLION BUDGET FOR THAT GRANT THAT WE HAVE. AND WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE AGENCIES THAT APPLY FOR HOPWA FUNDING. SO WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF AGENCIES TO SPREAD THAT MONEY OUT TO. AND WHEN THEY SUBMIT APPLICATIONS, THEY, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY WANT. AND USUALLY WITH HOPWA, WE HAVE PLENTY TO GIVE TO MOST OF THE AGENCIES WHAT THEY ASK NOW FOR THE CENTER FOR WOMEN AND FAMILIES, THEY WERE GRANTED EAF AND HUD MONEY. THE PARTICULAR POT OF MONEY FOR HUD. WE ARE GIVEN $964,000 AND IT'S A 6040 SPLIT. SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO GIVE 60% TO EMERGENCY SHELTER AND 
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OUTREACH. SO IT JUST IT'S A MATTER OF THE MONEY AND HOW MUCH WE'RE ALLOWED TO ALLOCATE. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. SO WHAT QUALIFIES SOMEONE FOR HOPPA. SO THEY THE HOPWA IS FOR AGENCIES THAT ARE WORKING WITH PEOPLE WITH HIV AND AIDS. SO IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THAT POPULATION. OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M GOING TO BOUNCE BACK TO MY QUESTION AS TO WHERE'S THE FOLLOW THROUGH AND ACCOUNTABILITY. IF THEY HAVEN'T HAD AUDITS OR ANY ANNUAL REPORTING SINCE 21 AND 22 FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY'RE BEING GIVEN. SO WE DO MONITORING FOR HUD IN EVERY SINGLE AGENCY THAT GETS HUD MONEY HAS TO BE MONITORED EVERY THREE YEARS. SO WE DO AND THEY'RE UP FOR MONITORING. WE HAVE MONITORED THEM YET. SO I WILL DEFINITELY ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS WITH THEM WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, ARE MONITORING THEM THIS NEXT MONTH. 
          COUNCILMAN, THESE ARE FUNDS THAT THE FEDERAL THEY'RE PASSED THROUGH FUNDS, IF YOU WILL. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SENDS THEM TO US AND THEN WE DISTRIBUTE THEM. THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC LIMITS ON HOW AND WHERE WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE AND I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE HOPWA THAT IS HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITH AIDS. SO WE CAN ONLY USE THAT MONEY FOR HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITH AIDS. THAT'S WE CAN'T USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE. CDBG COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS. THEY COME TO US FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH VERY SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS, AND WE CAN ONLY USE THEM FOR SPECIFIC KINDS OF PROJECTS IN THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS. SO YOU'RE GETTING INTO SOME SOME POOLS OF MONEY THAT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION GETS AS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT CAME FROM AS IT DOES WHEN YOU TRY TO COMPARE ONE PROJECT THAT'S BEING FUNDED AGAINST ANOTHER PROJECT. DOES DOES THAT HELP AT ALL? YES. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU BET. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR GOING INTO DETAIL. LIKE COUNCILMAN LINENGER, COUNCIL WOMAN, CHAPPLE AND COUNCILWOMAN BASS, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDING, AND IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITIES. I KNOW THAT THE IMPACT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE BANG FOR THE DOLLAR. BUT THESE THESE AGENCIES, THESE GROUPS ARE DOING REALLY GOOD WORK, AND SOME OF THEM ARE TELLING ME THAT THEY'RE SCORING IN THE 90 PERCENTILE. I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THEM. SO MY QUESTION IS AROUND, I KNOW THAT SOMEONE SPOKE AND SAID THAT SHE HAD 30 YEARS IN APPROVING THESE GRANT CYCLES AND APPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT IS THE COLLECTIVE EXPERIENCE OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE THAT ARE DOING THIS NOW? BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EQUITY IN SCORING AND BEING AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE. AND SEEING AS THESE AGENCIES CAN ALSO BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE REDUCTION IN VIOLENCE, THE REDUCTION IN PETTY CRIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE OF THE WORK THEY DO AND THE CONNECTION TO ONGOING SERVICES. THIS IS JUST AS VALUABLE AS SUPPORTING OTHER THINGS. AND SO I WANT TO SEE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS PROCESS OF THE SCORING. I KNOW THAT THE CHAIR EXPLAINED. AND COUNCILMAN WINKLER EXPLAINED, EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE WHY THE CHANGES WERE MADE. BUT THIS IS A DRASTIC CHANGE FOR A LOT OF THESE GROUPS. FOR INSTANCE, ONE IN MY DISTRICT THAT I SHARE WITH COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL IS THE SOUTH LOUISVILLE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH ALSO HOUSES THE FOURTH DIVISION. A GREAT DEAL OF IMPACT WITH THE KIDS, LOTS OF THINGS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, THEIR WAS LIKE 56,000 OR WHATEVER, AND THEY DIDN'T GET FUNDED. AND SO WHEN THAT THING, WHEN THAT HAPPENS TO THOSE KINDS OF AGENCIES RIGHT BEFORE LIKE SUMMER AND PROGRAMING COMES OUT, YOU SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINING. THESE KIDS ARE EVERYWHERE. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO. SO I THINK THAT THOSE THAT ARE WORKING WITH OUR YOUTH SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A PRIORITY. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING OR WHAT'S THE EXPERTISE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SCORING IN THIS MATTER? CAN I ALSO JUMP IN? COUNCILWOMAN, MAKE JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. I WAS REFERRING TO THE AREA, SORRY, THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY MINISTRIES AND THE 13 OF THOSE. THERE'S THE SOUTH LOUISVILLE COMMUNITY MINISTRIES, AND THEY ARE BEING FUNDED. BUT THE SOUTH LOUISVILLE COMMUNITY CENTER WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET TOMORROW. YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. SEPARATE POOL OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. BUT MY QUESTION IS STILL THE SAME ABOUT THE OTHER ONES. IT WASN'T JUST THEM THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          SO I'LL SPEAK FOR OFFICE OF SOCIAL SERVICES. WE HAD VERY HIGHLY QUALIFIED, CREDENTIALED INDIVIDUALS SERVE ON OUR PANEL, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING DCVZ, A FORMER FORMER METRO EMPLOYEE. SO 
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LOTS OF EXPERIENCE IN GRANT WRITING, IN UNDERSTANDING ALSO THE SPACE AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT WE DID AS, AS WELL AS COULD BE EXPECTED TO BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME. SO WE DID TRY TO ALIGN WITH PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THE WORK AND ALSO UNDERSTAND GRANTS. 
          COUNCILWOMAN. WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON EACH ONE OF THESE PANELS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF METRO COUNCIL. IT'S THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED. SO IT'S NOT JUST A IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE. IT'S WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE COUNCIL. AND, AND SHOUT OUT TO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE PANEL PROCESS NEXT YEAR, WE ARE EVERY YEAR LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING AND INTERESTED IN DOING THIS. SO MAKE A NOTE RIGHT NOW THAT THIS IS AN INTEREST OF YOURS. I'M SURE YOU WILL BE REFERRING BACK TO THIS VIDEO NEXT YEAR AND BE REACHING OUT TO FOLKS SAYING, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE NEED COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE WILLING TO SERVE ON THESE PANELS. AND WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A SHORTAGE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE PAST. SO THERE'S THERE ARE PEOPLE DOING IT, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A COMMITMENT. IT TAKES A BIT OF TIME. AND I'M GRATEFUL TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. SO COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU FINISHED. 
          COUNCILMEMBER RYAN. I'M NOT DISRESPECTING ANYBODY'S PARTICIPATION. I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE, AND I DID ASK TO BE INVOLVED IN THE EAF PROCESS LAST YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND DEFINITELY AM WILLING TO BE INVOLVED, BUT NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS AT EVERYTHING, AND NOBODY ON THAT COUNCIL IS ABOVE PERSONAL OR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THESE THINGS, SOME OF US ARE CLOSER TO THE GROUND ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. AND SO WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE ALL DOING OUR PART. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON WHERE THOSE DOLLARS AT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES WITH EQUITY AND FUNDING AND HOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN. SO I'M JUST. OKAY. COUNCILMAN, I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR US, BUT WE'VE LOST YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON AND WE'LL LET YOU BACK IN THE QUEUE. IF YOU WHEN YOU REGAIN A CONNECTION. COUNCILMAN BENTON. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILMAN HOPKINS TO ACM, AND I'LL LET HER. SHE WAS IN THE QUEUE BEFORE ME. UNLESS SHE WANTS TO ANSWER COUNCILMAN WATKINS, WHATEVER HER PREFERENCE IS. YES, COUNCILMAN HOPKINS, THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES. I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY WHO SITS ON THIS BOARD, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT IRREGARDLESS, IF METRO COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT ARE THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, SIT ON THIS BOARD. EVERYBODY DOES NOT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE JUST BECAUSE YOU SIT ON A BOARD. I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD SIT ON THE BOARD SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST METRO COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, MY PASSIONS IS DIFFERENT THAN HE IS OR MY LENS IS DIFFERENT THAN HE IS. WE SERVE DIFFERENT CULTURES. SO THAT IS A PROCESS. AND THAT PROCESS, IF METRO COUNCIL IS DESIGNING THAT PROCESS, THEN I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES TO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO RESTRUCTURE IT. ONE OF THE ALSO I WANT TO ASK, THERE WERE TWO NON-PROFITS, CYCLE BREAKERS AND SOWING SEEDS OF FAITH, AND I'M GOING TO NAME DROP THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE IN MY DISTRICT AND I HAVE GOTTEN BEAT UP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WAS TOLD THAT THEY NEEDED TO COME AND TALK TO METRO COUNCIL. AND WHAT I'M NEEDING TO UNDERSTAND IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FOLLOW UP. OKAY, SO IF THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THE GRANT, YOU KNOW, OR IS THERE ANY TYPE OF FOLLOW UP, ARE YOU GUYS GETTING THE NON-PROFITS SAYING, WELL, OKAY, YOU DIDN'T GET IT THIS TIME? THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY? OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF CONTINUOUSLY EVERY YEAR GIVING IT TO THE PEOPLE THAT CAN CHECK THE BOXES? BECAUSE WHAT I'M LEARNING IS, IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES THAT EVEN BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THIS GRANT IS GOING TO ALREADY LOOK LIKE, THEY ALREADY GOT THE BOXES CHECKED BEFORE THEY EVEN PUT THE APPLICATION IN. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WHEN YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN PROCESS, IT'S ALREADY PAST AND DONE. RIGHT? AND I GET THAT. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS CAN YOU ALL GET ANYTHING IN PROCESS FOR THOSE THAT WASN'T ABLE TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM THE IDEOLOGY ON WHY YOU DIDN'T GET IT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THEM THERE? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS MONEY FOR THAT OVER THERE. RIGHT? AND NOW THEY COME 
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INTO COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, AND THEY COME IN TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, TO BEAT US UP ABOUT WHY THEY DIDN'T GET MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING TOLD, GO BACK AND TALK TO METRO COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US, THEN WE NEED AN ANSWER FROM Y'ALL OR I NEED TO, YOU KNOW, DIG IN AND FIND OUT WHO'S ALL ON THAT BOARD TO ASK THEM. AND THEN THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN GET A GRADE. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO ECHO OFF MY COLLEAGUE, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE THAT A BOARD MEMBER CANNOT GRADE SOMEBODY? THAT'S AN INSULT. YOU KNOW? SO IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW. IT'S A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FOR ME. SO I REALLY COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS. WHICH ARE THOSE TWO. RIGHT. THIS, THAT, THAT IS DOING THE WORK. RIGHT. SO I, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO DIG IN TO THIS BOARD AND DIG IN TO THIS DEPARTMENT MOVING FORWARD JUST SO I'LL KNOW SO I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW A LOT BETTER. SO I'M GOING TO BLAME MYSELF AS WELL FOR NOT, YOU KNOW, DIGGING INTO THIS AND HAVING A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE THAT METRO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD HAVE BEEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. SO, YOU KNOW, I GOTTA DO A LITTLE BIT MORE EDUCATING MYSELF ON THAT SO I CAN GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED. SO, COUNCILMAN, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN GO BACK AND PUT INTO PRINT THE ANSWER THAT COUNCILMAN WINKLER GAVE EARLIER, AND THEN YOU CAN SHARE THAT DIRECTLY WITH THOSE TWO AGENCIES AND ANY OTHER AGENCIES THAT MAY BE ASKING QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THE ANSWER TO THEIR QUESTION IS, IS EXPLICITLY WHAT COUNCILMAN WINKLER HAD TO OFFER. 
          THERE ARE TWO LEFT IN THE QUEUE. UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE JUMPS IN. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE AT THE END OF TIME FOR THIS ONE, SO I WILL. I WON'T SAY NO IF YOU JUMP IN, BUT KEEP IN MIND WE'RE AT THE END AND THERE ARE TWO COUNCILMAN BACHON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO MY MINE IS, I GUESS, MORE OF A FOLLOW UP IN REGARDS TO A QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL WAS ASKING ABOUT THE ACM. AND IF YOU WERE IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE $2.5 MILLION FOR ACM, IT'S 192,300 PER ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY MINISTRIES. THAT'S ALL. BETWEEN ALL THREE OF THEM OR ALL 13 OF THEM. RIGHT. THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY MINISTRIES WAS CREATED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS IN THE FAMILIES EXPERIENCING POVERTY IN CRISIS. WHAT I KNOW ABOUT ACM AND WHAT THEY DO IS THAT. I THINK THAT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET DIVIDED UP BETWEEN ALL 13 OF THEM, WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY SPEND ON LGA SERVICES AND WATER SERVICES, AND HELPING PEOPLE PAY THEIR RENT AND HAVING TO NOW SOME ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY MINISTRIES LOCATIONS ARE HAVING TO BUY FOOD FOR THEIR FOOD PANTRIES. WITH COMMUNITIES INCREASING IN DENSITY AND THE AMOUNT OF POVERTY AND JUST LACK OF AMENITIES FOR CERTAIN FOLKS TO GET THAT HAND UP AND WHAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS GREAT WORK, RIGHT? WE I APPRECIATE THE 1.6 THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THAT BUDGET. SO I GUESS TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THE CONVERSATION WAS HAD EARLIER TODAY, AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF BROUGHT IT UP, IS. THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO PROPOSE. I THINK THE GOAL WAS THE 2.5, AND THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM. SO I HOPE I ANSWERED COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL'S QUESTION THERE TOO. SO. COUNCILMAN LEININGER, YEAH, THANK YOU AGAIN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CAP FOR OSS LIKE WE DID WITH FOR OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THAT SOME SOME THINGS THAT YOU GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THINGS ABOUT HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE GREATER. BUT I NOTICE, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES AGAIN, IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE. YOU KNOW, RELOCATION AND HOUSING STABILITY AT D'OSCAR MANOR, YOU KNOW, MISSED OUT BY FRACTIONS OF A POINT FOR 72,000. WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO SCORE THESE IN A WAY THAT WERE LIKE REALLY? YOU KNOW, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, MORE MONEY TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS. SO WE CAN REALLY EVALUATE WHETHER THEY GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED OUT OF IT. AND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE SO FAR UNDERNEATH THEIR ASK. AND YET WE DO HAVE AN AGENCY THAT WAS FUNDED, VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA FOR UNITY HOUSE. WERE THEY A BIG OUTLIER IN THEIR ASK? YOU KNOW, ASK FOR OVER A MILLION AND WERE AWARDED 150, 116,000 ROUNDED UP. THAT'S A BIG GAP BETWEEN WHAT THEY ASKED FOR AND WHAT THEY WERE AWARDED. AND I WONDER IF MAYBE THAT'S IS THAT TAKEN? I MEAN, I ASSUME IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THEIR HIGH SCORE, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE THINK ABOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE FUTURE? AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR SPENDING AGAINST THE ASK, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE HAD WE 
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COULD HAVE FUNDED A FEW MORE THAT HAD A LOWER ASK AND COULD HAVE BEEN FUNDED AT THEIR AT THEIR FULL ASK AND ONLY, YOU KNOW, FRACTIONS OF MISSING OUT. WELL, I THINK FOR US, GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, WE, YOU KNOW, REALLY WEIGHED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PANEL PROCESS. SO ALONG WITH THE SCORE, THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PROGRAM RECEIVE. AND SO THAT DETERMINED THE AVERAGE FUNDING AMOUNT, WHICH DETERMINED THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A IT'S A PERFECT PROCESS. 
          AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH THEY CAN ASK FOR, YOU WILL HAVE SOMEONE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT. AND ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE PANEL'S DECISION TO DECIDE IF THEY FEEL LIKE THAT PROGRAM SHOULD GET THAT AMOUNT. AGAIN. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE IF WE ARE AS PART OF THE PROCESS LIMITING, YOU KNOW, THE AWARDS BASED ON, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. AND WE'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT HAS ASKED FOR AN AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TEN TIMES WHAT THEY'VE BEEN AWARDED. I YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO WEIGH INTO THE PROCESS. AGAIN, ON THE SAME LINES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN'T REALLY EVALUATE WHETHER THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING GETTING DONE WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. IF WE ARE AWARDING A 10TH OF WHAT THEY ASKED FOR, EVEN IF THAT AMOUNT IS 115,000, WE'RE EVENTUALLY GIVING THAT. THAT'S ALL I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CONSIDERATION. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR HEARING FOR EXTERNAL AGENCY FUNDING. SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          AND I WAS ASKED LAST TIME HOW LONG THE BREAK WAS. IT'S PRECISELY FIVE MINUTES. I'M NOT WALKING AWAY FROM THIS CHAIR. SO WE'RE STARTING RIGHT BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. OF THE. 
          COMMISSION, HONEY. HEY. 
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THE QUESTION THAT. WE ARE. TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. 
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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR THAT, BUT MY TIMER IS GOING OFF AS PROMISED. WE'RE STARTING BACK AT EXACTLY FIVE MINUTES. WELCOME BACK. I'M COUNCILMAN KEVIN CRAMER, CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED BY COUNCILMAN MARCUS WINKLER. AND I'M NOT NAMING OFF PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL IN THE ROOM. THEY ARE HERE. I WILL SAY THAT JEFF O'BRIEN HAS BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO RETURN ON FAIRLY SHORT NOTICE FOR CALLBACKS, AND WE APPRECIATE HIS BEING SO FLEXIBLE. AS ALWAYS, WE'LL START WITH A QUESTION FROM HERE, AND THEN I'LL THROW IT OPEN TO MY COLLEAGUES. SO, COUNCILMAN WINKLER, IF YOU'LL START US OFF. THANK YOU JEFF. WELCOME BACK. 
          I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE REAL QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU THAT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK TO ASK THE OTHER DAY. AND REALLY, THE FOCUS OF MY QUESTIONS IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION. OKAY. YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT LITA AND THE DESIRE TO GROW COMPANIES HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK AND I HOPE YOU AGREE, THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL THINGS, PROBABLYHE MOST CRITICAL THIN TO ATTRACTING EMPLOYERS HERE IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOA STRONG LAB POOL. AND THE KEY TO THAT LABOR POOL IS OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, BOTIN TERMS  OUR PMARY EDUCATI, LOY. B TRSDEVELOPING THE TENT SY,TTIN TENER DEMAND. SO I'VE GOT TWOEMPLOYERS QUESTIONS RELATED TO EDUCATION. FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU AND I'LL GIVE YOU BOTH OF THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU CAN JUST ANSWER THEM OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE VALUE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SEES IN THE INVESTMENT IN THE SIMMONS COLLEGE STEAM CAMPUS AND HOW IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE NEED OF WORKFORCE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN SECONDARILY, IN THINKING ABOUT YOUR OFFICE'S FOCUS AND THE STATE'S FOCUS ON THE FILM INDUSTRY. CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY COLLEGES OR UNIVERSITIES IN LOUISVILLE THAT ARE FOCUSED ON THAT INDUSTRY, AND WHAT OUR LONG TERM SUPPORT SHOULD BE FOR GROWING A TALENT PIPELINE AROUND THE FILM INDUSTRY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THOSE STUDIOS COME HERE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, COSTUME DESIGNERS AND PROP DESIGNERS AND, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING SPECIALISTS AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY SPECIALISTS THAT ALL SUPPORT THE ECOSYSTEM OF THE FILM INDUSTRY, FILM AND CREATIVE ARTS INDUSTRIES. YEAH. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JEFF O'BRIEN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IN TERMS OF EDUCATION, I THINK THAT I'LL TAKE THE I'LL TAKE THEM IN ORDER HERE. IN TERMS OF SIMMONS COLLEGE, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THE FACT THAT LOUISVILLE HAS A HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY AS THE SIMMONS COLLEGE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          IT BRINGS FEDERAL FUNDING INTO OUR INTO OUR AREA AND ALLOWING SIMMONS TO GROW AND FLOURISH IN TERMS OF HAVING THEIR GROWING CAMPUS AND GROWING PROGRAMING AT THAT COLLEGE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND VITAL TO GIVING OPPORTUNITIES TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS IN LOUISVILLE AND 
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EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT'S WHY THAT THAT INVESTMENT IS SO VITAL TO US. WE SEE BROADWAY AS REALLY AN EDUCATION CORRIDOR. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LOOMED ON THE EAST END AND TRAVEL DOWN BROADWAY THROUGH THROUGH JC CAMPUS, THROUGH FRANCIS PARKER, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO SIMMONS COLLEGE ON THE IN THE WEST. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE TO CONTINUE TO GROW THAT EDUCATION CORRIDOR. AND SO I THINK THAT THOSE THAT'S A THAT'S NOT JUST AN AN INVESTMENT IN PEOPLE AND OUR FUTURE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S ALSO AN INVESTMENT IN OUR PLACES, IN THIS COMMUNITY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING STRONG, THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS ALL OVER OUR COMMUNITY. IN TERMS OF THE FILM INDUSTRY, I THINK THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME WE HAVE PROVIDED HELP THROUGH THE FILM COMMISSION TO NONPROFITS THAT DO WORK IN HELPING WITH CREW, FILM CREWS. THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE REALLY HAVE IN LOUISVILLE, IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A THRIVING NETWORK OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY WORK FILM, SO THAT GROUPS, FILM, FILMING GROUPS AND GROUPS, FRANKLY, THE DANNY WIMMER PRODUCTIONS ARE NOT HAVING TO BRING PRODUCTION PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER STATES. SO GROWING OUR OWN CREW BASE HERE IN LOUISVILLE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT AND VITAL IN ATTRACTING THE ULTIMATE LONG TERM FILM INDUSTRY, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE GROWING IN GEORGIA IN THE, OF COURSE, THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN NASHVILLE. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS JCT-VC HAS SOME SOME PROGRAMING AROUND THAT. LAST YEAR, AS PART OF OUR BUDGET, WE HELPED KICAD GET ACCREDITATION, WHICH IS HELPFUL IN GROWING THE, THE ARTS, THE ART PART OF THAT, I THINK AS WE'LL GET INTO LEED, I'M SURE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE LOUISVILLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALLIANCE ON THEIR BOARD, WE HAVE BOTH THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY AND THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE. THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE HAS MADE SOME INVESTMENTS IN THEIR FINE ARTS PROGRAMING. SO I THINK THAT THERE THERE IS A DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD AN EDUCATION SYSTEM AROUND FILM. I THINK THAT WHAT WE REALLY NEED HERE, AND WE'VE SEEN US MAKE THESE INVESTMENTS, IS HAVING SOME INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN DO FILMING IN LOUISVILLE AND IN KENTUCKY, HAVING THE HAVING THE WORKFORCE IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO HAVING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY DO FILM PRODUCTIONS INDOORS HERE IN LOUISVILLE IS IMPORTANT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. HELLO. 
          IN THE LAST MEETING, I HAD ASKED FOR ALL THE QUARTERLY REPORTS FROM LITA, AND YOU HAD SENT OVER THE ONES FROM OCTOBER 2023 TO MARCH 2025, WHICH THA I'D BEEN READING THESE REPORTS QUARTERLY AND, YOU KNOW, ABSORBING WHAT I COULD FROM THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE ONLY ONE OF THE THOSE REPORTS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO LITA, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S JANUARY 1ST, 2025 THROUGH MARCH 31ST, 2025. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE SEE THE LITA SEAL ON IT, AS WELL AS TREVOR PAUL'S NAME. AND I NOTICED THAT THIS IS PRETTY IDENTICAL TO THE REPORTS THAT WERE ALREADY COMING OUT. SO MY QUESTION IS KIND OF TWOFOLD. WELL, I'LL SAY THIS. I'M WONDERING IF THESE WILL BE COMBINED GOING FORWARD. THESE REPORTS WILL BE GOING BE COMBINED GOING FORWARD. SO WILL THERE NOT BE A SEPARATE ONE FOR LOUISVILLE METRO'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND LITA? AND THEN ALSO IN BOTH REPORTS, ALL THE REPORTS, IT SAYS COUNCIL DISTRICT CLIENT LOCATIONS. AND IN THAT MOST RECENT ONE THAT HAS LITA ON IT, THERE'S 22, 26 CLIENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. I'M WELL AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GLI AS A REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE VERSUS LITA, WHICH IS JEFFERSON COUNTY'S, BUT I'M VERY CONFUSED AT THIS NUMBER, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, 55, I BELIEVE IN THE IN THE REPORT PREVIOUS TO THAT. AND SO IF WE'RE FOCUSED ON JEFFERSON COUNTY, WHY IS THIS NUMBER SO LARGE? BECAUSE THE NEXT HIGHEST ONE IS FOR ANY COUNCIL DISTRICT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS INDICATES BUSINESS INQUIRIES THAT ARE CONSIDERING JEFFERSON COUNTY BUT LOCATED ELSEWHERE. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE REST OF THESE ARE INQUIRIES? BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS ACROSS ALL OF THESE REPORTS ARE PRETTY PATHETICALLY LOW. OKAY. ON THE ON THE FIRST ON THE FIRST QUESTION, I THINK THE REPORTING AGAIN IS TO BE DETERMINED. AGAIN, WE'VE THE WE REPORTED BY WHOM. BUT FOR BETWEEN LITA AND LOUISVILLE METRO I THINK WE'RE TRYING I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT'S THE BEST FORMAT IN TERMS OF REPORTING OUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, AS WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THE RELATIONSHIP, WE WILL HAVE A WILL WE WILL WORK THROUGH OUR REPORTING FORMAT AGAIN. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LOUISVILLE METRO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO REPORT TO METRO COUNCIL THROUGH A THROUGH A PREVIOUS BUDGET ORDINANCE. AND 
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SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT IT'S A LOT OF THE AGAIN, A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THAT LITA IS GOING A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ON THAT, ON THAT DOCUMENT ARE BOTH THE WORK THAT THE CABINET DOES AND THE WORK THAT LITA DOES. SO I THINK THAT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE LITA TO REPORT ON, I THINK THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. AND I THINK MR. PAUL IS WILLING TO WORK WITH COUNCIL, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THE REPORTING THAT THEY WANTED. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REPORT ON OUR ACTIVITIES, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES THAT ARE METRO FUNDED, AND THERE ARE STILL SIGNIFICANT COMPONENTS OF LITA'S WORK THAT'S METRO FUNDED. SO I THINK WE FEEL COMPELLED TO INCLUDE THE LEAD ACTIVITIES ON THAT IN RELATION IN RELATION TO THE IN RELATION TO THE NUMBERS ON OUTSIDE INQUIRIES, WE TRY TO CAPTURE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TALKING TO ON ANY AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AS I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, WE'VE HAD SOME WE'VE HAD SOME ATTRITION IN OUR SMALL BUSINESS AREAS, BUT ALSO IN OUR, OUR, OUR LARGER SECTOR BUSINESS ATTRACTION GROUP THAT A LOT OF THOSE THAT ATTRITION HAS AFFECTED OUR SMALL BUSINESS GROUP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS NUMBER ONE, BUILDING THAT TEAM UP AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING CONTACT WITH WITH THE DISTRICT AND THEN ALSO PROMOTING THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, BOTH METRO AND LITA. SO I THINK THAT YOU'LL SEE THOSE NUMBERS GET UP, BUT FRANKLY, THE NUMBERS HAVE DECREASED BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF THE ATTRITION THAT WE HAD ON OUR STAFF THIS YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. I WANTED TO KNOW IF LITA IS WORKING WITH ONE WEST FOR ANY POTENTIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE WEST END. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE TREVOR PAUL COME AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I WILL SAY THAT JUST AS TO TEE HIM UP ON THAT, THAT YVONNE SMITH IS ON THE LEADER BOARD. MR. PAUL, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH YOUR AFFILIATION AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. HELLO, COUNCIL. I'M TREVOR PAUL, CEO OF THE LOUISVILLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALLIANCE. YES. AS JEFF MENTIONED, YVONNE IS ON OUR BOARD AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH HER ON A PROGRAM AND I'VE USED HER AS I'M NEW, I'M ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS IN TO BETTER UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE DYNAMICS IN THE WEST END. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING BACK AND FORTH JUST TO GET A LAY OF THE LAND. SO I VIEW HER AS A STRATEGIC ADVISOR AS WELL. YEAH, I REALIZE SHE'S ON THE BOARD. 
          CAN YOU SHARE WITH US ANY PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, OR ARE WE PRIVILEGED, PRIVILEGED TO THAT INFORMATION, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE REP'S. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ACTIVE PROJECTS SO I CAN CHECK WITH JEFF. I CAN CHECK WITH OUR TEAM TO SEE WHAT CAN BE SHARED. 
          BUT IT'S I WOULD SAY IT'S AN ONGOING DIALOG THAT I'M HAPPY TO BEGIN TO INCLUDE YOU IN. I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO MEET WITH YOU AND SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. ALSO, ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE BOARD? YEAH, SO WE HAVE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL IS ON THE BOARD. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO EX OFFICIO OFFICERS THAT ARE SELECTED BY THE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE BOARD. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. CAN YOU IDENTIFY THEM? YEAH. SO PRESIDENT JEFF HUDSON AND THEN PAUL MCCRANEY, COUNCILWOMAN PAULA MCCRANEY, JEFF IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. 
          PRESIDENT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN HUDSON AND PRESIDENT ACKERSON AND COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. 
          CORRECT. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JOSEPH. HI. YEAH, MY ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE YOU IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING ANY STAFF REDUCTIONS OR TERMINATIONS? NO THEY'RE NOT. ANY OTHERS. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. WE APPRECIATE YOUR BEING ABLE TO GET BACK TO US SO QUICKLY. THAT BRINGS AN END TO TODAY'S COMMITTEE MEETING. WE WILL BE BACK TOMORROW ALSO AT THREE. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU. 
          [Adjournment
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THANK YOU AGAIN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.