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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PARKS AND
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SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. WE ARE HERE TODAY, JOINED IN THE CHAMBERS WITH COUNCILMAN JP LINENGER, MY VICE CHAIR, CHAIR, COUNCILWOMAN BETSY ROOY. AND ONLINE WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN JOSIE RAYMOND. SO VERY SHORT MEETING TODAY. WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL DISCUSSION FROM. LET ME[1. ID 25-0201 JEFFERSON COUNTY ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS PLAN – Katie Littman, Economic Development]
SEE HERE FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS PLAN BY MISS LITTLEMAN. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND YOUR TITLE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I'M KATIE LITMAN. I AM THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CABINET. AND TODAY I'M GOING TO BE SHARING WITH YOU ALL ABOUT OUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS PLAN. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. SO THE CABINET FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I'M LEADING IT. I USED TO BE OVER AT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DOING STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS AND SO STARTED THIS PROJECT OVER THERE. BUT THE REASON THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE A GOOD FIT FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT TOUCHES SO MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES. THERE ARE A LOT OF AGENCIES WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO THAT HAVE FLEET VEHICLES OR WHO ARE CONNECTED TO TOPICS OF SUSTAINABILITY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR AGENCIES WHO HAVE FLEETS, INCLUDING OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. SO IT WAS A GOOD POSITION JUST TO TRY TO COORDINATE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY ON THIS WITH FLEET AND FACILITIES, AS WELL AS THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY ARE SORT OF IN OUR CORE GROUP LEADING THIS EFFORT. AND THEN WE DID A COMPETITIVE SELECTION PROCESS IN THE FALL TO WE SELECTED A AECOM TO HELP US WRITE THE PLAN. AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH EEI, WHO IS DOING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION. SO THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS PLAN WERE ARE REALLY TO HELP LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, STAFF, STAKEHOLDERS AND RESIDENTS BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AND THE OPPORTUNITIES RELATED TO THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE TRANSITION AND TO UNDERSTAND POTENTIAL STRATEGIES FOR INCREASING EV AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY. AND THEN WE KNOW THAT THE REASON WE FRAMED IT AS A READINESS PLAN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT THIS TRANSITION WILL HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME. AND SO BUT WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY THAT WILL HELP MAKE LOUISVILLE BE READY TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE PREPARED FOR THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND EVOLUTION THAT'S HAPPENING, AND ALSO TO ATTRACT PRIVATE AND FEDERAL INVESTMENT. WHEN THAT TIME COMES IN THE FUTURE, WE WANT TO POSITION LOUISVILLE TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE GROWING EV MARKET THAT SUPPORTS CLEAN AIR, A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM. SO THINKING ABOUT IT ALSO AS LIKE A QUALITY OF PLACE PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN OF COURSE, SUPPORTING LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT'S CLEAN ENERGY GOALS. SO IN FEBRUARY 2020, METRO COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION WITH WITH SOME GOALS TO REALLY SET THE COMMUNITY UP FOR THIS TRANSITION. SO 100% CLEAN ENERGY FOR METRO OPERATIONS BY 2035 AND 100% CLEAN ENERGY COMMUNITY WIDE BY 2040. SO SOME VERY AMBITIOUS GOALS AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE JUST PART OF THAT. BUT WE WANTED TO EXPLORE HOW WE COULD FURTHER BOTH OF THOSE GOALS. THINKING THROUGH THIS LENS. AND THEN THE LAST OBJECTIVE IS TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES, INCLUDING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. SO WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS PLANNING PROCESS THINKING THAT IT WOULD HELP US TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR THE CHARGING AND FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT, WHICH IS A GRANT THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW AND HAD A LARGE POOL OF FUNDS AVAILABLE TO CITIES AND STATES TO FUND EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. NOW, THE AND WE ACTUALLY WE DID APPLY FOR WE WE'VE APPLIED A COUPLE TIMES WE LOST AROUND WE APPLIED OVER THE SUMMER RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WE DID GET AWARDED SOME FUNDS, BUT THEN THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY SORT OF PUT ON HOLD. AND SO OUR HOPE IS THAT STILL GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WILL SET US UP FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE FUNDS EVER DO BECOME AVAILABLE AGAIN, THIS WILL REALLY HELP US TO IMPLEMENT THEM. BUT IF NOT, IF FEDERAL FUNDING IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR A FEW YEARS AT LEAST SETTING US UP WELL TO[00:05:04]
ATTRACT POTENTIAL PRIVATE PARTNERS THAT COULD HELP US FUND THIS WORK, AND ALSO TO THINK ABOUT SOME CREATIVE THINGS AROUND LIKE ENERGY EFFICIENCY SAVINGS. SO THE KEY FOCUS AREAS OF THE PLAN. SO WE THERE ARE TWO BIG PARTS TO THIS PLAN. SO THE FIRST IS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OUR OWN FLEET WITH LOUISVILLE METRO AND DOING A ZERO EMISSION FLEET TRANSITION PLAN. AND SO THE REASON WE SPECIFY ZERO EMISSION IS THAT SOME VEHICLES IT'S ACTUALLY THERE ARE ELECTRIC VEHICLES MIGHT NOT END UP BEING THE BEST FIT. THERE MIGHT BE OTHER ALTERNATIVE FUELS THAT COULD BE A BETTER FIT FOR SOME OF OUR MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, DEPENDING ON THEIR CYCLES. SO THINKING ABOUT ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT VEHICLES WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO'S FLEET AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES THAT THEY HELP PROVIDE IN THE CITY, IT'S A WIDE RANGE OF TYPES OF VEHICLES AND TYPES OF DUTY CYCLES. AND SO JUST GETTING A HANDLE ON THAT AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE PARKING, WHERE THERE COULD BE GOOD, WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT INTO LOUISVILLE METRO OWNED FACILITIES. AND THEN THE SECOND IS STRATEGIES TO. SO THEN THE OTHER PART OF OUR PLAN IS AROUND COMMUNITY FOCUSED CHARGING. AND SO FOR BOTH THE FLEET AND THE COMMUNITY CHARGING, REALLY THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE STRATEGIES TO REDUCE BARRIERS TO ADOPTION. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO OUR FLEET OPERATORS INTERNALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEIR BIG CONCERNS WITH POTENTIALLY GOING ELECTRIC? AND THEN WHAT CAN WE POTENTIALLY DO TO HELP MITIGATE THOSE? OR WHAT ARE THE TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES? AND THEN ON THE COMMUNITY SIDE, HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, HEARING FROM BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE PARKING AT THEIR BUSINESS OR WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE PARKING NEEDS, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT THE EV TRANSITION AND INSTALLING INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAYBE POLICY OR DIFFERENT FUNDING OR PARTNERSHIP PROGRAMS THAT WE COULD PURSUE TO HELP ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS AND FACILITATE THAT TRANSITION? AND THEN PRIORITIZING CHARGING LOCATIONS? SO THIS IS REALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE PUBLIC CHARGING NETWORK HERE IN LOUISVILLE. WHERE ARE THERE GAPS FOR SORT OF KEY KEY GROUPS, AND HOW CAN WE POTENTIALLY SUPPORT THAT EITHER THROUGH LOUISVILLE METRO OWNED SITES OR HELPING TO KIND OF FORGE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH PRIVATE LANDOWNERS? AND THEN LASTLY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POTENTIAL USERS, PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER WITHIN OUR FLEET OR IN DRIVING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES OR ALSO COMMUNITY RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT THAT TRANSITION.SO PROGRESS TO DATE, IT'S A BIG SCOPE. SO IT'S ABOUT A 12 MONTH PLANNING PROCESS. WE STARTED IN NOVEMBER. WE'VE DONE A LOT ON OUR MUNICIPAL FLEET TRANSITION SO FAR, JUST REALLY GATHERING THE DATA ON ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEIR REPLACEMENT CYCLES AS WELL AS THEIR THEIR DUTY CYCLES WHERE THEY'RE PARKING THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, MODELING DIFFERENT TRANSITION SCENARIOS AND STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WILL BE JUST FOR THE MUNICIPAL FLEET. AND THEN ON THE COMMUNITY SIDE, STARTING TO DIG INTO SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING DEMOGRAPHICS, CURRENT EV ADOPTION, WHERE DO WE HAVE WHERE ARE PEOPLE ALREADY BUYING ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN OUR CITY, WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT SORT OF EXISTING POLICIES AND PROGRAMS WE HAVE IN PLACE EITHER HERE OR AT THE STATE LEVEL VERSUS OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND THEN ALSO DEVELOPING A PLAN TO DO SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, INCLUDING WE'VE DONE SOME FOCUS GROUPS AND WE HAVE A PUBLIC SURVEY. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC SURVEYS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVE THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT MORE A LITTLE LATER. AND ALSO FEEL FREE TO STOP ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS AT THE END. SO EXISTING VEHICLE ADOPTION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST BULLET, IT'S LIKE THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED EVS TRIPLED BETWEEN 2021 AND 2024. BUT IT'S STILL VERY LOW OVERALL NUMBERS. SO WE'RE NOW OVER JUST OVER 1% OF ALL VEHICLES ARE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. HYBRID VEHICLES ARE ARE INCREASING THE UPTAKE MUCH MORE. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A STEADY GROWTH BUT IT'S STILL A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT OF TOTAL VEHICLES. AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TRENDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE'RE PRETTY ON PAR WITH A LOT OF CITIES. I THINK PLACES LIKE, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY AND THINGS YOU DO SEE HIGHER PERCENTAGE. BUT THIS ISN'T THIS IS PRETTY ON PAR WITH A LOT OF CITIES OF OUR SIZE. AND SO, YEAH, EVS AND HYBRID HYBRID VEHICLES TOGETHER MADE UP TO ABOUT 2.5% OF ALL VEHICLES REGISTERED IN 2024. SO IT IS INCREASING. AND THEN NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO A SERIES OF MAPS. SO THIS FIRST ONE JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE THE EXISTING CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN OUR IN OUR COUNTY. AND SO THERE
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ARE THE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS WHICH ARE THE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE THE SLOWER CHARGERS. THE TYPICALLY CAN CHARGE UP OVERNIGHT. AND THEN THE FAST CHARGERS ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU COULD CHARGE IN 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR. THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY ARE BEING THE ONES BEING SUPPORTED BY THE STATE PROGRAM IF ANYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND SO WE ACTUALLY WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF CHARGERS IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, IN TERMS OF WHERE THE LEVEL OF EV ADOPTION IS IN OUR CITY. BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY WE NEED TO KEEP ON ON TRACK, BE PEOPLE WANT THE FASTER CHARGERS THAN THE LEVEL TWOS. AND THEN ALSO THERE ARE SOME BIG GAPS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION OF CHARGERS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A LOT WE HAVE A LOT OF EV OWNERS IN EAST LOUISVILLE. THERE'S A LOT OF CHARGERS OUT THERE. BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS TRANSITION, IF CAN BE FELT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY? AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT POTENTIALLY NOT HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE THEY LIVE. SO WE'VE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE POTENTIAL GAPS IN CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT LENSES. SO THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT GAPS IN WHERE PEOPLE WORK. SO WHERE WE HAVE AREAS OF JOB DENSITY WITHIN JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND SO THE RED CIRCLES ARE JUST SORT OF THE HIGH LEVEL OKAY.HERE'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING WE HAVE DENSITY OF JOBS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN YOU SEE SORT OF WEST LOUISVILLE DOWN INTO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST. AND YOU KNOW, WORKPLACE CHARGING IS AN EASY IS ONE OF THE EASIER STRATEGIES FOR HELPING WITH WITH CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. THE NEXT ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS GAPS BY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DENSITY. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT BECAUSE RENTERS, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY THEY USUALLY DON'T HAVE PRIVATE OFF STREET PARKING WHERE THEY CAN INSTALL AN EV CHARGER ON THEIR OWN. SO THEY'RE RELYING ON THEIR LANDLORD, ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO INSTALL THAT CHARGING. AND SO THEY MAY BE MORE RELIANT ON PUBLIC CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAN SOMEONE WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, THEIR OWN GARAGE OFF STREET. AND THEN THE LAST GAP IS WE'RE LOOKING AT AN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. AND SO THESE ARE USING WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AGAIN TRYING TO TAILOR TOWARDS THE CFI GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH HAD THE JUSTICE40 INITIATIVE UNDER THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. SO THOSE ARE THE CENSUS TRACTS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, AND THESE TRACKS ARE ONES WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM TRANSITIONING TO EVS, BECAUSE OFTEN THESE TRACKS HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF POLLUTION AND POOR AIR QUALITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE. SO IT'S LIKE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN MOST IMPACTED BY CLIMATE CHANGE ARE ALSO ABLE TO ACCESS SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS NEW EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE MAPS OF WHERE WE'RE SORT OF GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY FOCUSING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PUBLIC CHARGING. HOWEVER WE HAVE WE DO HAVE MORE RECENT ONES. WE'VE JUST BEEN REVIEWING THE CONSULTANT THAT ACTUALLY DRILLED DOWN MORE DEEPLY. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE SPACES THAT ARE THERE ARE SITES ACROSS THE COUNTY. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE GOOD COVERAGE. THIS WAS JUST SORT OF OUR INITIAL PRELIMINARY. HERE ARE THE REALLY BIG GAPS THAT WE'RE SEEING. BUT IN OUR MORE DISTILLED MAPS THAT WILL COME OUT IN THE FINAL PLAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SPOTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. AND SO NEXT STEPS, WE'RE AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE WE'RE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE FOCUS GROUPS. AND WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, TWO, TWO SURVEYS THAT ARE OUT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WE'RE STARTING TO DEVELOP STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT BOTH, AGAIN, FUNDING THE FLEET SIDE AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, BROADER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN POTENTIAL STRATEGIES AND PARTNERSHIPS. AND THEN WE WILL PUT THIS ALL INTO THE FINAL PLAN. AND SO AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE SURVEYS. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU ALL COULD HELP SHARE THESE WITH YOUR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM ABROAD ARRAY OF CITIZENS, WHETHER THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT EVS, NOT EXCITED ABOUT EVS, MAYBE ARE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT SURE. MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPINION. IT'S GREAT TO KIND OF HEAR FROM ALL OF THOSE VOICES. AND SO WE HAVE TWO SURVEYS. ONE IS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, ONE IS FOR FLEET OPERATORS, BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. SO THINKING ABOUT BUSINESSES WHO HAVE PARKING, WHETHER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IF THEY'RE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AT THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS, OR THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FLEET VEHICLES, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE DOMINOES, THEIR FLEET VEHICLES ARE ALL EVS OR MOSTLY EVS. THEY MADE A COMMITMENT TO THAT. SO THINKING ABOUT COMPANY BUSINESSES LIKE THAT WHO HAVE THEIR OWN FLEET VEHICLES, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. SO IF YOU CAN HELP US SHARE THIS AND ALSO TAKE IT YOURSELVES, THAT WOULD BE
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GREAT. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME LIKE WE HAVE SOME COLLATERAL MATERIAL THAT CAN HELP JUST SORT OF EXPLAIN WHAT THE POINT OF THE SURVEYS ARE, PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AND PROVIDES A QR CODE. SO IT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY EASY FOR FOLKS TO GET THE LINK TO THE SURVEYS. AND THEN NOW I JUST WE HAD A FEW QUESTIONS. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL YOUR THOUGHTS ON THESE QUESTIONS, OR JUST I'M HAPPY TO ALSO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, BUT JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT. YOU KNOW, WHAT BARRIERS TO ADOPTION DO YOU SEE FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS? WHAT POLICIES, PROGRAMS, OR INITIATIVES DO YOU THINK MIGHT NEED TO BE PUT INTO PLACE? WHERE DO YOU SEE GAPS IN CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE IS THERE, DO YOU SEE MUCH IN YOUR DISTRICT, AND THEN WHAT LOCATIONS AND TYPES OF SITES SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR PUBLIC EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE? SO WE HAVE THOSE THREE TYPES OF SITES THAT WE MENTIONED COMMERCIAL CENTERS, TRANSIT HUBS, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. BUT ARE THERE OTHER? IS ONE OF THOSE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER, OR DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON OTHER TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS? JUST HOW SHOULD WE TRY TO PRIORITIZE WHERE POTENTIAL CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE GOES? AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE, TOO, THAT WE DON'T THERE ISN'T ANY CURRENT BUDGET TO IMPLEMENT COMMUNITY WIDE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. AGAIN, STILL HOPEFUL THAT WE MIGHT GET SOME RESOURCES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT IF NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST FROM POTENTIAL PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT MIGHT ALLOW US TO INSTALL SOME.SO I DID WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS OR THANK YOU SO MUCH, KATIE. SO I'LL START OFF IF THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE QUEUE YET. AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE FOR THE RECORD, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN MARILYN PARKER. IF THOSE FUNDS ARE AWARDED AND WE ARE TO PUT EV STATIONS IN, WHERE WOULD THOSE GENERALLY GO FIRST? AND THEN MY SECOND FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT WOULD BE IS THERE AN ROI RETURN FOR THOSE STATIONS GOING IN? WILL BE, WILL WE BE CHARGING THE CONSUMER FOR USING THAT STATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN COMPLEMENTARY TO THEM, JUST SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GENERATE THE FUNDS TO ADD MORE STATIONS LATER? IS MY THOUGHTS THERE? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. YEAH. GREAT QUESTIONS. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S NICE THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS PARKS AND SUSTAINABILITY IS THAT IN OUR CFE APPLICATION, A LOT OF THE SITES WE PUT FORWARD WERE PARKS, CONSIDERING THAT THOSE ARE, OF COURSE, OWNED BY THE CITY, WHICH WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE GRANT.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE PLACES THAT PEOPLE GO AND THEY SPEND TIME. AND SO IT'S IF YOU DO NEED TO CHARGE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR AN HOUR OR TWO AND HAVE THAT TIME TO CHARGE. SO IT WAS A LOT OF PARKS AND LIBRARIES AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR OUR LOUISVILLE METRO SERVICE CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS COMING FOR SERVICES AND MIGHT BE THERE FOR A MINUTE. WE HAD ALSO ON OUR APPLICATION, WE HAD ACTUALLY SUBMITTED IT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE, SO THEY WOULD HAVE A CHARGERS ON THEIR CAMPUS AS WELL AS THE LG AND E, AND SO LG AND E WAS GOING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AS PART OF THE MATCH FOR THIS GRANT. AND SO WHAT WE HAD CONSIDERED WITH THEM IS THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY THEY WOULD RUN OUR CHARGING PROGRAM. AND SO WE WOULD BE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'D BE PROVIDING THE LAND, THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING THE ACTUAL CASH CASH MATCH INTO THE GRANT OF $2 MILLION, AND THEY WOULD BE THEN OWNING AND OPERATING THE CHARGERS, AND THAT RATE WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE A RATE TO CHARGE.
AND ALSO THERE WAS THERE WAS A BILL PASSED EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT WE DID HAVE TO CHARGE FOR PUBLIC CHARGING. SO WE WERE GOING TO, OF COURSE, BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT. BUT ALSO THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DISCOUNTED RATE THAT LG E WOULD OFFER AT THOSE CHARGERS COMPARED TO WHAT THEY MIGHT OFFER AT THEIR OTHER PUBLIC CHARGERS. AND BECAUSE THE GRANT WOULD HELP TO SUBSIDIZE THAT CHARGING RATE. SO THERE WOULD BE AN AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE CHARGED, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FREE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AS HIGH AS IT WOULD BE OTHERWISE. AND THEN SO THAT IS THE THAT IS THE SPECIFIC PARTNERSHIP THAT WAS CONSIDERED FOR THE PREVIOUS CFI GRANT. NOW, AGAIN, WE MAY END UP TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH BASED ON WHAT THIS PLAN RECOMMENDS. OKAY.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. AND I HAVE COUNCILWOMAN PARKER IN THE QUEUE. THE LOUISVILLE METRO FLEET, THEY ARE THEY MOSTLY BOUGHT OR LEASED. MOSTLY BOUGHT.
THERE ARE SOME LEASED. AND THEY ARE FORD. CORRECT. A LOT OF FORD CHEVY. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF VEHICLE DIFFERENCES, AS FAR AS THE FLEET FOR LOUISVILLE METRO, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME CERTAIN CONTRACTS WITH FORD OR CHEVY OR WHOEVER IS CREATING THAT FLEET OF VEHICLES FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT. HAVE WE ENTERTAINED OR LOOKED AT GOING AFTER THAT MANUFACTURER OF THE
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VEHICLE TO PROVIDE THE CHARGING STATIONS FOR THAT FLEET TO SAVE US SOME COST THERE? YEAH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. WE'VE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE OEMS AND DEALERSHIPS AS WELL FOR ON THE TRAINING SIDE IN TERMS OF LIKE MAINTENANCE. BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. I MEAN, TYPICALLY THE CHARGING STATIONS THEMSELVES ARE PRODUCED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR, EXCEPT FOR TESLA. BUT BUT TYPICALLY THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF CHARGING COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE EQUIPMENT. AND SO I HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED YET IF LIKE IF THERE'S LIKE A FORD BRANDED EQUIPMENT. BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. I WOULD WONDER IF THEY'VE EXPLORED THAT. I GUESS THERE'S MAYBE MORE THAN ANYTHING, JUST KIND OF USING THAT AS LEVERAGE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BUY YOUR VEHICLES, YOU PROVIDE US THE CHARGING STATIONS. YEAH, WHETHER, WHO, WHO, WHETHER THEY PROVIDE IT OR MANUFACTURE IT OR THEY HAVE TO BUY IT FROM A THIRD PARTY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO LEVERAGE THAT.COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. DOES WILL LMPD WILL THEY TRANSITION ALL TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND IF SO, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THEIR JOB PERFORMANCE AND FUNCTIONALITY? YEAH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THEY DEFINITELY ARE ONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE VERY SPECIFIC NEEDS FOR THEIR VEHICLES, PARTICULARLY THEIR PURSUIT VEHICLES. AND SO PART OF THIS WE THEY'RE ONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGING THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. AND THEY HAVE CERTAINLY EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, THEIR POTENTIAL CONCERNS AROUND THE PERFORMANCE OF THOSE VEHICLES AND HOW IT WILL WORK WITH THEIR DUTY CYCLES. SO WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND WE'RE CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGING WHEN THERE MIGHT IN THIS CURRENT 2025, THERE MIGHT NOT BE THE TECHNOLOGY OF VEHICLE THAT IS THE RIGHT FIT TO TRANSITION. RIGHT NOW THERE'S BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF SORT OF LOWER HANGING FRUIT, I GUESS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIGHT DUTY PASSENGER VEHICLES THAT COULD GO AHEAD AND BE TRANSITIONED MORE EASILY. SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT PRIORITIZATION AND THAT PHASING OF THE VEHICLES. OKAY. SO IF WE GOT GOVERNMENT FEDERAL FUNDS WE COULD USE THOSE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND IF SO I'M THINKING GROCERY STORE SITES WOULD BE A VERY EFFICIENT PLACE BECAUSE EVERYONE GOES TO THE GROCERY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO THE LIBRARY. NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO PARKS. BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS JUST A THINKING OR A THOUGHT. AND THEN BARRIERS, YOU KNOW, EVS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND UNDERSERVED. DISADVANTAGED AREAS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MUCH LESS LIKELY TO BUY THESE VEHICLES. SO IS THERE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? AND IT'S DEFINITELY FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT NOW THERE ARE MORE EVS GOING ON, YOU CAN BUY THEM USED. I THINK THAT'S HELPING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INCENTIVES AS WELL. TAX CREDITS. THOSE ARE AT THE POINT OF SALE FOR NEW VEHICLES. BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT THAT USED MARKET. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD I THINK THAT THERE. SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT. ARE THERE OTHER INCENTIVES THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE? ONE OF SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF EVS IS THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MUCH LESS IN MAINTENANCE COSTS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY NO GAS COSTS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ELECTRIC, THERE'S CHARGERS FOR ELECTRICITY, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. AND SO THAT INITIAL PURCHASE PRICE IS IT HAS IS A BIG BARRIER. WE DEFINITELY HAVE HEARD THAT AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, THAT NEED FOR OKAY, IF I'M GOING TO INSTALL CHARGING EQUIPMENT AT MY HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST? DO I REALLY WANT TO RELY ON A PUBLIC NETWORK THAT I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CONTROL OVER? SO WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR SURE. AND I'VE GOT ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE COST OF A CHARGING STATION? THE SPACE NEEDED, AND HOW MANY CARS CAN CHARGE AT A TIME? ACTUALLY, THAT'S THREE SHORT QUESTIONS. YEAH, YEAH, IT DOES DEPEND. I WOULD SAY THE ACTUAL THE INTERESTING THING THAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT THE CHARGING EQUIPMENT ITSELF, LIKE THE, THE TOWER IS NOT IT'S, IT'S IT CAN BE AROUND $2,000 USUALLY. WHAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART IS THE IF THERE'S ANY ELECTRICAL UPGRADING WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THE LOCATION, THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE PRICE CAN VARY A LOT, JUST DEPENDING ON IF THEY NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL CAPACITY TO THE SITE. AND SO IT CAN BE A BIT HARD TO PREDICT. I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, METRO IS ALREADY UNDERWAY OF INSTALLING, SOME CHARGING SOME CHARGERS. SO THERE'S SOME SOME CHARGERS OUT ON ARMORY PLACE THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN CURBSIDE CHARGING AND THAT REALLY YOU KNOW, THAT WAS AN AREA WHERE THEY DID NEED TO DO SOME ELECTRICAL WORK. SO
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THOSE WERE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THERE'S ALSO SOME CHARGERS OUT AT THE OUT ON THE OFF THE OUTER LOOP AT THAT GOVERNMENT CENTER. THEY'VE INSTALLED, I THINK 6 OR 8 CHARGERS THAT CAN HAVE DUAL PORTS. SO THEY CAN CHARGE TWO CARS AT EACH TOWER. THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME TOWERS THAT HAVE MORE PORTS. SOME OF THEM HAVE SINGLE PORTS. BUT I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY FOR ONE TOWER IT'S A DUAL PORT CHARGER IF THAT ANSWERS. DID I GET ALL THREE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. YES. SO THE SPACE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SIZE OF THE TOWER AND HOW MANY CARS THEY CAN CHARGE. SO IF IT'S THE SIZE OF THE TOWER. SO IT WOULD BE THE SPACE OF THE TOWER AND WHERE TWO CARS, PARKING SPOTS. YES. YEAH.THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. MARILYN, FOR COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OWNING AN EV, I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE ISSUES YOU'VE GOT GOING THERE. ONE THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED TO PLANNING AND DESIGN ABOUT ADDING THIS WHEN THEY'RE TALKING TO GROUPS ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT'S CERTAINLY LESS EXPENSIVE TO PUT THESE THINGS IN, OR AT LEAST GET THE ELECTRIC OVER THERE. SO WHEN YOU'RE READY TO DO IT, YOU CAN DO IT. BECAUSE, AS NOTED, THE BIG EXPENSE IS NOT THE CHARGER ITSELF. IT'S RUNNING THE ELECTRIC OUT TO IT. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE EV READINESS. LIKE HOW CAN WE HELP ENSURE, YOU KNOW, NEW DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IS AT LEAST EV READY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IN CHARGERS EXACTLY AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONTINUOUS CONVERSATION WITH ANYTHING WE DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION IS TO ASK OUR DEVELOPERS TO PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU ARE READY FOR IT. YOU MENTIONED USING ALTERNATIVE FUEL SOURCES WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT ZERO EMISSION. WHAT OTHER FUEL SOURCES? I KNOW HEAVY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT, BIG TRUCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF ENERGY. SO WHAT OTHER POWER SOURCES DO WE HAVE BESIDES INTERNAL COMBUSTION? SO HYDROGEN FUEL IS ANOTHER IS ANOTHER AREA THAT IS GROWING. AND THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE LARGER HEAVY DUTY, WHETHER IT'S BUSSES OR THINKING ABOUT GARBAGE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THOSE THOSE MIGHT BE BETTER CANDIDATES FOR HYDROGEN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS A LITTLE BIT WOULD BE FARTHER DOWN THE LINE IN TERMS OF OUR PHASING. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE ARE THERE MIGHT BE CASES WHERE AN ELECTRIC BATTERY WOULDN'T REALLY BE A GOOD FIT FOR KIND OF THE DUTY CYCLE THAT IT NEEDS TO USE AND HOW MUCH IT WEIGHS. SO HYDROGEN IS ONE OF THE OTHER ONES. YES, BECAUSE BATTERIES ARE HEAVY. HAVING GOT MY CAR STUCK IN THE MUD AND THE FIREFIGHTERS COULD NOT PUSH IT OUT. ABSOLUTELY. SO YES, I UNDERSTAND HYDROGEN IS A FUEL IS VERY ENERGY DENSE. SO THE NEXT QUESTION AS FAR AS THAT WOULD BE IS A HYDROGEN SOURCE. HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED AT THE ABILITY TO GENERATE YOUR HYDROGEN ON SITE OR WOULD YOU BUY THAT IN BULK? I KNOW THAT'S GOING WAY FAR DOWN THE LINE, BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT IN GETTING BEYOND MY PERSONAL TECHNICAL EXPERTISE? BUT WE HAVE TALKED WITH OUR SO THE CON CENTER AT U OF L, THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO HYDROGEN AS A, AS A FUEL SOURCE. AND SO THEY ARE LOOKING INTO POTENTIALLY DOING SOME PILOT PROGRAMS THERE. THEY'RE A TECH HUB THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED SOME FEDERAL FUNDING TO DO SOME DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS. AND SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM AS THEY ARE CONDUCTING THEIR RESEARCH AND LEARNING FROM PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL PROBABLY FOCUS IN TERMS OF THE PLAN PHASING ON SORT OF SOME OF THAT, THE LOWER HANGING FRUIT FIRST AND THEN THINKING ABOUT THAT TECH, ALLOWING THAT TECHNOLOGY TO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE UNTIL THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY, IT CAN REALLY BE A GOOD FIT FOR OUR VEHICLES AND ALSO DOING TESTING. THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD PROGRAMS WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF BORROW A VEHICLE AND TEST IT OUT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, AND SO I THINK WE'LL TRY TO KEEP TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE AS WELL. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER, A COUPLE FOLLOW UP OR COUPLE LAST QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK HERE. YOU MENTIONED KATIE A COUPLE TIMES ON PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. AND AS COUNCILWOMAN PARKER ALLUDED TO A LITTLE WHILE AGO, EVERYBODY GOES TO THE GROCERY AND DIFFERENT SHOPS AND MALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HAVE WE LOOKED AT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTEA TO PARTNER WITH SOME OF THESE BIG BOX STORES OR GROCERY STORES OR MALLS TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN? BECAUSE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT WHEN THESE PLACES HAVE THOSE FAST STATIONS, THEIR THEIR SALES ARE INCREASED BECAUSE OF THAT. HAVE WE LOOKED AT ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO INCREASE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT IN ANY
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REALM OR FACET? WE'VE DEFINITELY TALKED ABOUT IT, AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE KIND OF THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS IS THINKING ABOUT THOSE STRATEGIES AND POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP. AND ALSO WE ARE WORKING, YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS ALSO RUNNING THEIR FAST CHARGING PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE AND THEIRS IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, I WILL SAY, CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAYS, WHICH MAKES SENSE. BUT SO THERE'S ALSO THAT PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE RFPS OUT. THEY I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO WHAT THEY'VE CURRENTLY AWARDED IS STILL FUNDED. SO THEY'RE ACTIVELY MAKING OPENING UP STATIONS. AND SO I THINK THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STATE AND WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT FOR THEIR FAST CHARGING PROGRAM, AND THEN ALSO THE POTENTIAL STRATEGIES WE MIGHT ADVISE IN THIS PLAN. I THINK THAT LOOKING AT THOSE KIND OF COMMERCIAL CENTERS, GROCERY STORES OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL HUB WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING AND SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND WE SEE THEM. I THINK THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE OF THE MEYER HAS THE FAST SUPERCHARGERS, TESLA SUPERCHARGERS. THEY'RE VERY POPULAR. THEY'RE ALWAYS BEING USED. SO ABSOLUTELY, WE SEE THAT AWESOME. THE FAST CHARGERS VERSUS THE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS. DO WE KNOW THE COST DIFFERENCE A LOT A LOT YES. IT'S I MEAN I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT VERSUS $2,000 FOR THE EQUIPMENT. YOU MIGHT BE UP TO LIKE $100,000 FOR LEVEL THREE. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED FOR THE SURVEYS AND GETTING US TO FILL THEM OUT AND OUR CONSTITUENTS, ARE YOU GOING TO EMAIL ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SURVEY THE SURVEY LINKS SO WE CAN PUT THEM IN OUR NEWSLETTERS, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT.WITHOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING OR PLANNING AND ZONING, THE PARKS AND
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SUSTAINABILITY MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. THANK YOU, KATIE, FOR PRESENTING. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANKS, COMMITTEE. THANKS, EVERYONE.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.