Mar 18, 2025 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee (trimmed)

[00:00:09]

CAN I SAY SOMETHING? OKAY.

[Call to Order]

[Roll Call]

WE ARE JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILMAN KRAMER. COUNCILMAN REED, COUNCILMAN J.J, COUNCILWOMAN BASS, COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. AND WE ARE JOINED VIRTUALLY BY COUNCILWOMAN PAULA MCCRANEY. AND I'M SORRY. WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY COUNCILMAN LININGER. CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE DISCLAIMER? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH SOME THINGS AROUND TODAY. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT WE ONLY HAVE FOUR APPOINTEES. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE ON FIRST SO THAT WE WON'T TIE UP THEIR EVENING. THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE IS THE

[2. AP031825MR     APPOINTMENT OF MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2028) Action Required By: September 13, 2025]

TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30TH, 2028. CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? SECOND. PROPERLY MOTION AND SECOND. MISS JACKSON. ALTHEA JACKSON FROM MAYOR GREENBERG'S OFFICE. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD IS TO HEAR AND DECIDE APPLICATIONS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, SUBPOENA WITNESSES, HEAR AND DECIDE APPLICATIONS FOR VARIANCES AND NONCONFORMING USE ISSUES, AND TO ALSO HEAR APPEALS OF ANY DECISIONS FROM A ZONING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. THERE ARE SEVEN MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD, NOT MORE THAN TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MAY BE CITIZEN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE REMAINING MEMBERS MUST BE CITIZENS. THEY SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM. THIS SEAT WILL BE FILLED. WAS IT WAS VACATED BY MISS LULA HOWARD, WHO RESIGNED. MR. RODRIGUEZ IS OUT OF METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT TEN. HE'S HISPANIC, MALE, REPUBLICAN. WE'VE BEEN HEARING COMPLAINTS THAT SPANISH SPEAKING PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE BOARD MEETINGS AND CAN'T BE HEARD. AND SO THIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO HELP WITH THAT. MR. RODRIGUEZ IS A FOUNDER AND CEO OF VISION HOUSING INVESTMENTS. HE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH MARKETING AND SALES, REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT AND NEGOTIATIONS. HE HAS AN ENGLISH AND SPANISH SPEAKING PODCAST WHICH FOCUSES ON INVESTMENTS. HE IS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS TO SPEAK WITH YOU OR TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU. THANK YOU. HI. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CONSIDERATION TO BE HERE TODAY. AND I'M ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. RODRIGUEZ. I WANTED TO KNOW, IN LOOKING AT YOUR RESUME, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A LOT IN REAL ESTATE, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. YES. AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD INTEREST IN CAME BEFORE YOU, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE RECUSING YOURSELF? AS FAR AS WELL, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I SPOKE WITH BRIAN. THERE WON'T BE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST IF I'M SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WILL BE COMPLETELY OUT OF THE ROOM AND I WON'T BE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION. YOU WILL BE WHAT, SIR? I WON'T BE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, WE HAVE HAD QUITE A FEW APPLICANTS COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR ILLEGAL TRANSITIONAL HOUSES. DO YOU WANT TO OFFER YOUR OPINION ON THAT, OR WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THEM? THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM IN CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN WHERE PROPERTY IS MORE AFFORDABLE. DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING ON THAT. DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU COULD GIVE ME YOUR TAKE ON THAT. COULD YOU COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION AGAIN? HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PART? THE FIRST PART. IN CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN, WE HAVE A LOT OF ILLEGAL TRANSITIONAL HOMES. AND OFTENTIMES WE FIND OUR APPLICANTS COME TO APPLY FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AFTER THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN

[00:05:05]

IT'S NOT A QUESTION, JUST ADVOCACY. AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON THE BOARD AND APPRECIATE YOUR ABILITY TO SERVE, YOUR DESIRE TO SERVE. THANK YOU. YEAH. NO THANK YOU. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE. I'M I'M ALL ABOUT GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND DEFINITELY THE HISPANIC COMMITTEE HAS BEEN GROWING OVER THE YEARS IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY. AND I'M CUBAN, ORIGINALLY CAME TO THE STATES IN 2011. SO I'VE SEEN IT GROW A LOT DURING THE YEARS, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT MY LITTLE PIECE OF HELP IN THERE. SO EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

CORPORATION COMMISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND REALLY APPRECIATE THIS WORK.

IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT COMMITTEE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THIS IS THE PARTICULAR AREA THAT YOU WANT TO SERVE IN? HONESTLY? YOU KNOW, I WAS SERVED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY AND I'M INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE. AND LIKE MISS JACKSON WAS SAYING, I DO HAVE A PODCAST THAT WE INFORM THE COMMUNITY OF AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HOW TO INVEST IN REAL ESTATE AND SOME OF THE LAWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HONESTLY, JUST LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO LEARN AND PUT, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY OF BEING PART OF THIS. LIKE HE WAS SAYING, I COULD I COULD BE A GOOD HELP. SO I THINK HONESTLY, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY OVERALL. GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

THIS CALLS FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I, I, I. THOSE OPPOSE. THE AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO. I THINK I JUST OUR NEXT APPOINTMENT IS OF LESLIE

[3. AP031825LS     APPOINTMENT OF LESLI SCHAFFER TO THE GREATER LOUISVILLE LODGING MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES MAY 1, 2026) Action Required By: September 13, 2025]

[00:10:09]

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS LESLIE SCHAEFER? WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

WELCOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT DEPARTMENT IS DEPARTMENT OF ELAINE DUNCAN

[4. AP031825ED     APPOINTMENT OF ELAINE DUNCAN TO THE LANDBANK AUTHORITY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY 28, 2028) Action Required By: September 13, 2025]

HELLO, MY NAME IS ELAINE DUNCAN. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING ME FOR THE APPOINTMENT. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR ME. YES, MISTER COUNCILMAN WOULD LOVE TO ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION. WHAT IS IT THAT INTERESTS YOU IN SERVING IN THIS PARTICULAR WAY? JUST LIKE MISS JACKSON SAID, I, I HAVE A PROPERTY THAT I GOT IN 2008, AND IT WAS A VACANT LOT, AND I WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE MY HOME. WE HAD IT BUILT. WE ALSO ADDED AN ADDITION TO A TWO CAR GARAGE. SO I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING PROPERTY IN THE IN THE AREA. BUT. BELIEVE ME, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. SO WILL YOU BE ACQUIRING ANY PROPERTY WHILE YOU SIT ON THIS BOARD? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU TO ALTHEA AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M SO INTERESTED IN, IN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS BRINGING PEOPLE ONTO THOSE BOARDS WHO HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF ENGAGING WITH THE SYSTEMS, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE FROM THE MOST IMPACTED COMMUNITIES. AND THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND APPRECIATE THE INTENTIONALITY OF THIS APPOINTMENT. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A VISION THAT YOU CAN HELP OTHERS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO WHAT YOU DID, AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU DOING THAT, REALLY. SO I THINK YOU WILL BE A GREAT ASSET TO THIS BOARD, AND I REALLY THINK YOU'D BE A GREAT ASSET TO OTHER POTENTIAL HOMEBUYERS WHO DON'T KNOW THE VALUE IN OWNING A HOME AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT HOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. THOSE

[00:15:01]

[5. AP031825AB     APPOINTMENT OF AMY BROOKS TO THE NULU REVIEW OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMITTEE. (TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY 26, 2026) Action Required By: September 13, 2025]

[1. ID 25-0165     INTERIM REPORT OF INVESTIGATION INTO LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY – Jodi Renn, Dean Dorton]

OF. THE 12. HELLO. HELLO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO A QUICK BACKGROUND AND INTRO FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC. SO GOING BACK TO SORT OF MID TO LATE LAST YEAR, WE DID A RESOLUTION TO BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY. AT THE TIME, THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF REPORTS OF ISSUES WITH LMCE. AND ACTUALLY IT WAS OUR COLLEAGUE JACQUIE ARTHUR HELPED IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE, AND HE CO-SPONSORED THIS RESOLUTION WITH ME, AND I THINK OTHERS WERE ON IT AS WELL TO BEGIN THIS INVESTIGATION. SO AS IS OUR WAY OF CONDUCTING INVESTIGATIONS, WE START WITH THE RESOLUTION. AND FROM THERE WE DID AN RFP TO HIRE A CONSULTANT. AND THAT IS DEAN DORTON. WE HAVE JODY REN, WHO REPRESENTS DEAN DORTON, WHO'S THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR THAT'S BEEN CONDUCTING THIS OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. WE HAVE HAD REGULAR UPDATES FROM DEAN DORTON AS WELL AS MEETINGS WITH OUR NEW LMA LEADERSHIP. AND AS IS AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST RELATED TO THESE INVESTIGATIONS, THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT COMPLETE YET, BUT I THOUGHT IT BE APPROPRIATE. WE'RE ABOUT AT THAT INTERIM PHASE TO HAVE JODY COME IN, GIVE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AN IDEA OF WHAT SHE'S OBSERVED, WHAT'S GOING ON, SORT

[00:20:02]

JUST TO, AGAIN, JUST TO GAIN SOME EXPERIENCE OR SOME INFORMATION TO HELP US AS WE REVIEW THIS, WE'VE REVIEWED LOTS OF DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THE INSPIRE MAINTENANCE REPORTS THAT ARE DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THE LMAS POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REVISED, BUT LOOKING AT THEIR CURRENT POLICIES, LOOKING AT THE OCCUPANCY RATES, AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL RESIDENT SURVEYS THAT THEY HAD, WE'VE LEARNED QUITE A BIT. ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS WITH LMA IS THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERED A MOVE TO WORK ENTITY, WHICH GIVES THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THEIR FUNDING ALLOCATE, HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO FUND ALLOCATIONS. IT DOESN'T INCREASE THEIR FUNDING, BUT IT ALLOWS THEM TO CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST WAY TO USE THE FUNDING THAT DOES COME TO THEM. BUT WE'VE ALSO LEARNED A LOT OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY LIVE IN, OR THAT THEY HAVE TO OPERATE IN DEALING WITH A LOT OF THE INADEQUATE FUNDING IN HOW THE APPROPRIATIONS COME DOWN THROUGH HUD AND HOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY FUNDED OVER THE YEARS, DETERIORATING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY HAVE TO HELP THEM WITH MAINTENANCE, HAVE HELPED THEM WITH BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, ETC. WE'VE ALSO LEARNED THAT I GUESS WHEN THEY DID THE INSPIRE INSPECTIONS THAT EIGHT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FAILED TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THEY ARE IN SOME FORM OF DISREPAIR DUE TO THIS LACK OF FUNDING THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD ACCESS TO THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DEALT, YOU KNOW, DEALT THEM SOME DIFFICULT CHALLENGES.

IN ADDITION, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT D'OSCAR MANOR HAS, THEY'VE CHOSEN AFTER EVALUATION THAT D'OSCAR MANOR IS NOT ABLE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE STANDARD. SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF RELOCATING THOSE 600 PLUS FAMILIES AND I THINK HAVE MOVED A LOT OF THEM. AND THAT IS NOT AN EASY TASK YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE. BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND THEM THE RIGHT HOUSING AND DOING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT RELATED TO RELOCATION. AND THEN WE'LL ULTIMATELY DEMOLISHED OSCAR MANOR AND THEN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING HOW TO NOT NECESSARILY REBUILD IT IN PARTICULAR, BUT HOW TO USE THAT LAND THAT OSCAR MANOR'S ON THE PANDEMIC, WE ALSO LEARNED HOW THE PANDEMIC EXACERBATED, EXACERBATED A LOT OF THE ISSUES. THEY HAVE A LOT OF BACK RENT THAT IS DUE FROM RESIDENTS THAT

[00:25:01]

THEY CAN'T WRITE OFF THE DEBT AND A FAMILY CAN'T BE MOVED IF THEY HAVE BACK PAYMENTS THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING PAYMENTS ON. AND WE'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH LOW INCOME PEOPLE. SO IT'S JUST A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY. THEY HAVE CURRENT STAFFING SHORTAGES IN THEIR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, WHICH ALSO EXACERBATES THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO ANSWER RESIDENT COMPLAINTS, DO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE THAT IS EXACERBATED BY THE AGE OF THESE BUILDINGS, ETC. SO WE HAVE BEEN LEARNING A LOT AND BASICALLY FEELING A LOT OF THE PAIN THAT ELLEN MAY IS GOING THROUGH. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHERE THEY ARE. SO THAT'S A LOT OF THE HISTORY, AND I'M SURE I'M REPEATING A LOT OF WHAT YOU ALREADY KNEW, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY BROUGHT IN A NEW CEO WHO IS WORKING HARD TO RESTRUCTURE THE DEPARTMENTS. THEY RECENTLY HAVE GONE THROUGH A STRENGTH, WEAKNESS, OPPORTUNITY THREAT ANALYSIS AS PART OF THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN PROCESS, MEETING WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE THE COORDINATION WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. THEY RECENTLY FINALIZED THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN AND HAVE ISSUED THAT TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING AND IN SOME CASES, DEVELOPING STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION THAT THEY'RE SHARING WITH US SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND JUST IDENTIFY IF THERE'S ANY GAPS. THEY'VE BEEN REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB. THEY CONTRACTED WITH AN HR RESOURCE CONSULTANT TO DO A FULL PROCESS REVIEW OF THEIR WHOLE, YOU KNOW, HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND STRUCTURE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE FULLY DECIDED, BUT OR IF THEY FULLY SELECTED SOMEBODY, BUT THEY'RE CONTRACTING WITH A THIRD PARTY FIRM TO LOOK AT THEIR OPERATING PRACTICES AROUND MAINTENANCE. AND HOW CAN THEY IMPROVE IN THE SITUATION THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN WITH LOW STAFF? HOW CAN THEY IMPROVE HIRING, HOW THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, EXECUTE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO? THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING NEW SAFETY MEASURES, CAMERAS, ETC. ACROSS THE FACILITIES ADDRESSING MAINTENANCE BACKLOGS. I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST DOING A LOT. SO AS WE MEET WITH THEM, THEY'RE JUST SHARING ALL THE ACTIVITIES. THEY'RE THEY ARE DOING. AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS KIND OF SYNTHESIZING ALL THAT INFORMATION, AGAIN, MEETING WITH THEM REGULARLY, TRYING NOT TO GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO MAKE INFORMED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM ON OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MAY LOOK LIKE, SINCE THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING SO MANY THINGS, SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF HAVE A THIRD PARTY COME IN AND LOOK AT IT, TO HELP THEM COME UP WITH SOME AREAS THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE IN THEIR BLIND SPOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FOCUSED ON THE BIG THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. SO OUR HOPE IS WE'LL BE MEETING WITH OUR MCNAIR GROUP, WILL BE MEETING WITH RESIDENTS, I THINK, LATER THIS WEEK TO TRY TO GET A FEEL FOR THEM. WE'RE HOPING TO EVENTUALLY POTENTIALLY MEET WITH SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE STAFF JUST TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE, TO BEGIN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FULLY ADDRESSING THEM AND THEN HOPEFULLY COMING UP, NOT HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE COMING UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE RESULTS FROM ALL OF THIS AND PRESENT A FINAL REPORT, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF JUNE, AND SCHEDULE ANY FOLLOW UP ASSESSMENTS THAT MAY NEED TO COME WITH LOOKING AT ANY CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT COMES OUT OF THAT REPORT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAD A QUESTION WITH YOUR SWOT ANALYSIS AND YOU CONSULTING WITH AN HR SPECIALIST, HAVE YOU HAD TO MAKE ANY CHANGE IN PERSONNEL AS A RESULT OF IT? I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE DONE THEY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT A SWOT ANALYSIS IS WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES AND THREATS FOR EVERYTHING. AND THEN THEY HAVE DONE SOME RESTRUCTURING AND THEY HAVE HIRED POSITIONS. FOR INSTANCE, THEY NEVER HAD A CHIEF OF STAFF IN THE PAST AND THEY BROUGHT THAT POSITION ON TO HELP THEM. THEY'RE LOOKING AT RESTRUCTURING THEIR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. SO THEY HAVE LOOKED AT RESTRUCTURING TO CREATE MORE CONTINUITY AND OPEN UP THE COMMUNICATION. THEY'RE ALSO MOVING INTO A NEW FACILITY THAT THEY SAID WILL HELP FACILITATE MORE COLLABORATION THAN THEY ARE IN THEIR CURRENT FACILITY. SO AND I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH INDUSTRY TO BE IN FOR THE MAJORITY OF YOUR TENANTS ARE PUBLIC HOUSING PAYMENT SCALE, BUT I WOULD EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME SENSITIVITY. A FEW YEARS AGO, A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER A FEW YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE PERSONNEL AT THE SCHOOL THAT I WAS IN, ONE

[00:30:02]

OKAY. LET'S GO START. LET'S GO. COUNCIL LADY. OH YOU GO OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS I WAS DEFINITELY HANDS ON WITH LMHC FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS INVESTIGATION. WHEN ALL THROUGH THIS MATTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE STRUCTURE. THE STRUCTURE.

SINCE THESE EVENTS HAD OCCURRED. I WANT TO KNOW HOW HANDS ON. ARE YOU RIGHT? OR. AND NOT ONLY HOW HANDS ON ARE YOU, BUT HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. AND THEN IT'LL LEAD ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. SO MISS REN IS JUST DOING THE AUDIT. SO SHE'S AN OUTSIDER. OKAY, SO SHE AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK, AND I'VE BEEN UPLOADING DOCUMENTS FOR HER TO REVIEW, AND THEN WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONFERENCES IF SHE HAS FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON THAT. SO THAT'S BEEN MY INTERACTION ON THE AUDIT. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. ANSWER ME PERFECTLY. SO SHE'S JUST BEEN KIND OF LIKE CONSULTING BACK BACK AND FORTH. RIGHT. AND NO HANDS ON HER. NO POP, YOU KNOW, JUST COMMUNICATION. RIGHT? YES. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE ROLE THAT YOU'RE IN? EIGHT MONTHS. EIGHT MONTHS? OKAY. WHICH ALSO LEADS ME TO ELENA. SHE HAS TRANSITIONED FROM AN OPEN DOOR POLICY OF BEING ABLE TO GO IN, GO TO THE DESK TO NOW THE CALL CENTER. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? WE HAVE RECENT WE NOW HAVE A CALL CENTER THAT IS FAIRLY UP TO DATE. I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD A CALL CENTER PREVIOUSLY. WE HAVE HAD WALK IN HOURS TO OUR OFFICES. I BELIEVE YOU'RE ABOUT FOR SECTION EIGHT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? AND NOW WE HAVE MOVED TO APPOINTMENTS. WE GOT A REPORT. WE'VE UPDATED OUR CALL CENTER. SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD REPORTS THAT PEOPLE WOULD WAIT ONLINE, YOU KNOW, WOULD WAIT ON THE PHONE FOR HOURS. THE WAIT TIME NOW IS ABOUT 20 MINUTES. AND WE ARE UPGRADING THAT SYSTEM. PROBABLY IN THE NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE IT UPGRADED SO THAT WE CAN CALL YOU BACK SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ONLINE. WE'VE ALSO INCREASED OUR STAFF SO WE HAVE MORE STAFF ANSWERING PHONES AT OUR OFFICES SO THAT WE CAN DECREASE THAT. THAT'S PART OF OUR TURNAROUND PLAN OKAY. SO LET'S TALK A SECOND ABOUT THE SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS. THERE'S A HOLD ON THEM. CORRECT. THERE

[00:35:03]

AND UNTIL WE RECONCILE OUR OUR BOOKS, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT VOUCHERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR. OKAY. AND MY LAST QUESTION AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS ON RECORD, I LOVE ELIZABETH TROJAN. SHE'S VERY TRANSPARENT. ANYTIME I CALL HER AND ASK HER FOR ANYTHING.

BUT I'M A MORE GO SEE MYSELF PERSON. SO THAT'S WHY I KNOW THAT THESE SERIES OF QUESTIONS ARE CORRECT. THE CARPET FOR WJ HODGE SENIOR BUILDING THAT IS FINALLY GETTING TAKEN CARE OF.

SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. LASTLY, THE THERE'S ALSO BEEN A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP. I THANK THE BLACK GUY KEITH, THAT USED TO BE THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS. HE'S NO LONGER THERE ANYMORE. CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHO'S BEEN PUT IN HIS PLACE? WE HAVE AN ACTING DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, LUCRETIA SISTRUNK. SHE WAS OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HOUSING. SHE HAS TAKEN OVER THE ACTING ROLE, AND WE WILL BE OPENING UP THAT POSITION FOR A NATIONAL SEARCH. WE ACTUALLY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CONTACTING NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT LIKE THETA AND NARO TO GET THE WORD OUT SO THAT WE COULD GET SOMEONE IN THAT POSITION. OKAY. AND I KNOW I SAID ONE MORE, I'M GOING TO GET. SO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID THAT JUST KIND OF STUCK WITH ME. I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT DURING YOUR INVESTIGATION, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SPOKE WITH THE COMMUNITY FIRST. YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT, WHICH YOU I KNOW YOU SA THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE SPEAKING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE BEEN RKIN WITH RESPECTLLY WITH TH YOU LADY HERE. YOU GUYS T I JUST WOULD,OU KNOW.

ULD HAVE REALLY WOULD HAVE WANTED YOU TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY FIRST, WHO WAS AFFECTED BY A LOT OF THESE THINGS. WOULD MATCH. SO IT JUST THAT'S IT THAT. AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE PART OF OUR SCOPE OF OUR WORK IS NOT WITH THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC HOUSING PIECE OF THIS. AND WITH REGARDS TO SPEAKING TO THE RESIDENTS, WE AGREE WITH YOU. AND WE MET WITH DR. COREY AND WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM HIM AS WELL. AND WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND REACH THE RESIDENTS. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT THE WHOLE TIME. SO IT'S JUST WE FINALLY GOT THEM SET UP FOR LATER THIS WEEK AND OUR REPORT IS NOWHERE NEAR DONE. SO IT'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCE REFLECTED AND REPRESENTED IN OUR FINAL REPORTS. COUNCILMAN REED, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING. JUST A COUPLE OF VERY QUICK QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THE LACK OF YOU MENTIONED HUD FUNDING, RIGHT. SO IS THAT A LACK OF ACCESS TO THE FUNDS OR A LACK OF HUD FUNDING TO BEGIN WITH? TO BEGIN WITH? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND LOOKING AT. SO WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH INTO LOOKING AT THE FUNDING LEVELS. AND SINCE THE 80S IT HAS NOT BEEN 100% OF WHAT IS NEEDED. SO THERE'S A FORMULA THAT IS USED TO CALCULATE BASED ON UNITS AGE OF PROPERTY. AND THAT IS A PRETTY PRESCRIBED FORMULA. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, CONGRESS HAS NOT BUDGETED THE FULL AMOUNT NEEDED TO MEET THAT ACROSS. AND THAT'S NOT JUST LMG, THAT'S ACROSS ALL OF THE PUBLIC HOUSING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO IT'S BEEN IN THE IS IT THE 7,080%? IT'S A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE. SO WE SO HUD FUNDS US, FUNDS OUR PUBLIC HOUSING, ANYWHERE FROM 100% TO 98%.

TRADITIONALLY THAT FUNDING DOESN'T INCLUDE THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE AT THE LEVEL THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. SO WHAT WHAT OURSELVES AND OTHER HOUSING AUTHORITIES HAVE FOUND THAT OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE THERE'S THAT GAP IN FUNDING. YOU GET SITUATIONS LIKE OSCAR MANOR WHERE WE CAN'T KEEP THE MAINTENANCE UP. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S FAIRLY STANDARD FOR HOW IT'S BEEN SET UP. OKAY. I MEAN, WAS THAT A MATTER OF NOT

[00:40:04]

HAS HAD THERE NOT BEEN A STRATEGIC PLAN PRIOR, WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUS STRATEGIC PLANS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THEM EVERY YEAR. AND WITH THIS BEING ELIZABETH'S FIRST YEAR, SHE SHE TOOK THE YEAR BEFORE SHE ROLLED OUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. WILL SHE OR WILL YOUR REPORT IDENTIFY WHEN THE LAST STRATEGIC PLAN WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANKS FOR COMING. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO, JODI, JUST A QUICK QUESTION OR TWO. I THINK YOU HINTED AT THIS. AND COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, I THINK SAID IT TOO. AND I DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, I DID ALSO GET A TOUR OF DOSTER MANOR WITH MISS TROJAN. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR AT THOUGHTS ON EVIDENCE THAT YOU MAY HAVE WHAT I'LL CALL PRE TROJAN, POST TROJAN, LIKE WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE ISSUES PRE THIS NEW LEADERSHIP COMING IN AND WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND HISTORICALLY. AND THEN CAN YOU COMMENT QUICKLY ON WHAT DO YOU SEE MISS TROJAN DOING DIFFERENTLY BETTER OR WORSE SINCE SHE'S COME ON BOARD. SO I WOULD SAY SINCE SOME OF THE PRIOR LEADERSHIP OR NOT, PEOPLE THAT I'VE ACTUALLY SPOKEN TO. SO A LOT OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED HAS BEEN IN THE MEDIA AND JUST TALKING, BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IS ELIZABETH TAKING A VERY HANDS ON APPROACH, A VERY VISIBLE APPROACH. SHE'S NOT AFRAID TO ROLL UP HER HANDS AND GO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS AND HEAR THE NEGATIVITY AND TRY TO RESPOND AS BEST SHE CAN TO THE NEGATIVITY AND IN SOME CASES, HEAR SOME SUCCESS STORIES YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE HAPPENED THROUGH SOME OF THE RELOCATION OUT OF DOSTER INTO BETTER, YOU KNOW, MORE PALATABLE HOME, YOU KNOW, HOUSING. I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SHARED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE EVERY AGENCY DOING THEIR OWN DUE DILIGENCE NEEDS TO SET UP RESERVES SO THAT THEY CAN OPERATE SHOULD THERE BE A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MEET THE OBLIGATIONS THAT THEY'RE OWED, LANDLORDS AND ETC, THAT THERE WERE SOME THEY IDENTIFIED SOME RESERVE FUNDS THAT MAYBE WERE MORE SECURE THAN NEEDED TO BE AND MAYBE POSSIBLY WEREN'T BEING USED. WE'RE STILL KIND OF DIGGING INTO THAT. SO I THINK AND IT SOUNDS IT'S FROM WHAT I'M, I GUESS HAVE SURMISED IT, IT JUST APPEARS THAT MAYBE PRIOR LEADERSHIP WASN'T AS COMFORTABLE REACHING OUT, SPEAKING TO THE RESIDENTS, OR MAYBE MORE COMFORTABLE SITTING IN THEIR OFFICE AND HAVING OTHER PEOPLE DO THAT. TRAINING WAS DEFINITELY NOT A TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE BUSY DOING THE WORK AND NOT MAYBE BEING GIVEN SOME OF THAT TRAUMA INFORMED TRAINING. I KNOW THE PROCEDURES FROM SPEAKING WITH ALICIA OVER THE TIME WERE WOEFULLY INADEQUATE AND NOT UP TO DATE, AND SO SHE'S SPENDING AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF TIME GETTING THOSE UP TO DATE SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE. AND THAT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING. AGAIN, UPDATING THE STRATEGIC PLAN, GETTING EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PLAN IS ANOTHER HUGE UNDERTAKING THAT I THINK ELIZABETH IS DOING, TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY WITH THE SAME VISION MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. IT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY POSITIVE SHIFT. IT'S BEEN MY REACTION TOO. BUT BUT THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN LINENGER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE YOU SPEAKING TO THE CHALLENGES WITH THE MAINTENANCE STAFF LEVELS, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT. WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CLOSING OF TUSKER MANOR, THE ANTICIPATED CLOSING OF PARKWAY PLACE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, THOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE AGE OF LMA'S UNITS DOES. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S LIKELY TO REDUCE THE PRESSURE ON MAINTENANCE STAFF LEVELS? I DON'T THINK SO. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THAT. AS WE CLOSE TUSKER MANOR, THEN WE'RE TAKING OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF THAT CURRENTLY ARE SPENDING A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME THERE, AND WE'RE RE POSTING THEM TO OTHER FACILITIES. SO THAT WILL DEFINITELY HELP. IN ADDITION, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO TURN OUR PROPERTIES TO DO A REPOSITIONING FROM OUR SECTION

[00:45:07]

OKAY. AND SO IF THAT WENT THROUGH, WHAT WOULD BE THE REMAINING SECTION NINE PROPERTIES? I WOULD HAVE TO GET? WE YOU CAN SEE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THE LIST OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE. WE DO HAVE OTHER PUBLIC HOUSING. WE HAVE SHEPHERD SQUARE, WE HAVE LIBERTY GREEN. BUT I CAN'T NAME THEM ALL HERE. SO OKAY. AND SO BEFORE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

LOUISVILLE I BELIEVE IS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERNEATH THE CLOTH CAP. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU KNOW WHAT I I'M NOT THE PERSON THAT'S ON THAT I APOLOGIZE. NO THAT'S FINE, THANK YOU. YEAH.

LAST QUESTION WE'LL GO TO WILL COME FROM COUNCILWOMAN BARNES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT HOUSING VOUCHERS ARE ON HOLD. THAT RESULTED. THE RESULTS FROM THE AUDIT WAS THE PROCESS WAS BEING INCORRECTLY DONE? IS THAT CORRECT? NOT OUR AUDIT. YEAH.

THIS WASN'T THEIR AUDIT. WE HAD AN OUTSIDE FIRM NAMED MCKAY COME IN AND AUDIT THE FILES. AND YES, THERE WERE MISTAKES IN THE WAY THAT THE THAT THE STAFF WERE PROCESSING THE FILES. SO AND RECERTIFYING THE FILES. AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT. IT THE INTENT WAS DURING THE PANDEMIC TO NOT RAISE RENTS ON FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO SOME OF THE INCORRECT FAVORED THE RESIDENTS.

HOWEVER, IT'S STILL NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UP TO WHAT HUD WOULD HAVE US BE DOING. SO HAS SOMEONE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR DOING THE PROCESS INCORRECTLY, WHICH HAS RESULTED WITH PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET HOUSING? WELL, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE. SO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER HERE. AND THEN OUR ENTIRE STAFF HAS BEEN RETRAINED. SO THEY WENT THROUGH A TWO WEEK TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION CLASS ON HCV AND HOW TO FILL OUT THESE FORMS. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROTOCOL. NOW THAT THAT TRAINING THAT'S DONE BY AN OUTSIDE FIRM THAT THAT SPECIALIZES IN THIS, THAT ANYONE IN THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO GO THAT'S WORKING ON THESE DOCUMENTS, HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING. AND THEN WE ARE GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR FILES AND RECERTIFYING THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DONE CORRECTLY. SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD RECERTIFY NOT EVERY YEAR. IT'S NOT REQUIRED. BUT WE'RE REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND RECERTIFYING EVERY FILE. SO THAT'S 11,000 FILES. OKAY. ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION. SO HOW LONG DO WE EXPECT HOUSING VOUCHERS TO BE ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THIS ERROR? I, I DO NOT KNOW. I MEAN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AUDITING IT. SO I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. SO UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ISSUE VOUCHERS. SO THERE'S NO ESTIMATE SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS YEAR I DON'T HAVE THAT ESTIMATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION WILL COME FROM COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. OKAY.

SO SECTION EIGHT GIVES OUT A VARIETY OF. WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR VOUCHERS. RIGHT. YOU GIVE THEM OUT TO OFFICE FOR SAFETY. HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU GIVE THEM OUT TO DIFFERENT HOUSING PROGRAMS. YOU GIVE THEM OUT TO VICTIM ADVOCATES. YOU GIVE THEM OUT TO A WIDE VARIETY OF ENTITIES AND PROGRAMS. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? ENTITIES CAN APPLY FOR VOUCHERS. WE WORK WITH THE CDC AS WELL, AND THOSE VOUCHERS ARE BASED ON WHETHER WE HAVE VOUCHERS AVAILABLE. SO

[00:50:07]

THE AUDIT LOOKED AT OUR PROCESSES AND HOW WE WERE DOING THE PAPERWORK. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AUDIT SHOWED, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATED WHETHER IF I GAVE YOU A VOUCHER, WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY QUALIFIED FOR IT IN THE WAY THAT I THINK. I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.

HOWEVER, BY AUDITING OUR PAPERWORK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS RECERTIFICATION VERIFIES.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, ALICIA HAS MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS WHAT OUR VOUCHERS FOR, ETC. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. SO RESEARCH BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM BEFORE. SO RESEARCH IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING BACK THROUGH THE INITIAL PROCESS. RIGHT. BUT YOU HAVE TO MEET A CERTAIN CRITERIA BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN GET ON THE PROGRAM. RIGHT. SO A LOT OF THESE VOUCHERS GET IN THE WRONG HANDS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYBODY WAS GETTING THESE VOUCHERS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT REALLY WHO SHOULD BE RECEIVING THEM AND REALLY WHO SHOULDN'T. LIKE LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IF I WORKED AT LMG AND I HAD ACCESS TO 10 OR 15 VOUCHERS HERE, GO FILL THIS OUT HERE. GO FILL THIS OUT. AND SO THE RESEARCH WOULDN'T EVEN MATTER IF YOU DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA. SO MY QUESTION IS HAS IT BEEN STOPPED BECAUSE OUT OF NOWHERE THESE VOUCHERS HAVE BEEN STOPPED. AND YOU KNOW, I WANT TO FOLLOW THE MAYOR'S INITIATIVE. WE NEED HOUSING. RIGHT. AND THE SECTION EIGHT LIST WAS ALREADY LONG. AND FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN ON THIS PROGRAM, SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS THIS PROGRAM VERY WELL, IN AND OUT, HANDS ON WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL EMPLOYEES OF SECTION EIGHT. I JUST NEED YOU ALL TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW A LOT OF THESE VOUCHERS HAVE GOTTEN OUT, AND THEY REALLY NEED TO BE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY NEED THEM. YEAH. AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF US HERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CHECKS AND BALANCES. AND IN DOING THIS IS WHEN YOU DISCOVER THAT YOU HAVE MORE VOUCHERS OUT THAN YOU HAD FUNDING. BOTTOM LINE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]