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IN POSITION.I TOLD EVERYBODY BEFORE THEY GOT. HERE. IS THAT WHAT SHE SAID? I CAN'T REALLY HEAR. YOU.
OUR TIME. DO YOU THINK. ARE YOU COMING UP HERE TO SAY. I GUESS IF I HAVE TO. AM I? METRO TV? 30S? YES. BLACKOUT. WE'RE ALL.
ALL RIGHT. HELLO, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON EFFICIENCY OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 5TH, 2025. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A, I'M THE COMMITTEE CHAIR, COUNCILWOMAN
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JENNIFER CHAPPELL, AND I'M JOINED BY MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN KEVIN BRATCHER. TODAY IN CHAMBERS, WE'RE JOINED BY COUNCILMAN LININGER CRAMER AND REED. AND MARCUS WINKLER HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY TODAY. I'M GOING TO GO STRAIGHT INTO A PRESENTATION THAT I PUT TOGETHER. ALTHEA HAS PROVIDED US ALL WITH A PACKET TODAY, AND I'LL BE GOING OVER COINCIDENTALLY WHAT IS IN THAT PACKET AS SHE EMAILED ME THIS, I THINK ON TUESDAY I SENT YOU THE REVISED VERSION. OKAY. IT'S OKAY, BECAUSE WHAT DAY IS IT REALLY? SO ONCE WE PULL THAT UP, MISS, WHAT'S HER NAME NOT COMING TO DO THIS ONE FOR YOU TODAY? OH, NO. I'M SORRY. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. ARE YOU TRYING TO SCREAM? SO IT'S BEEN. A LOT.STILL TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. BUT I DO WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT BOARD MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE HAD TO DATE. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THESE IN YOUR INBOX. THAT WOULD BE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SPREADSHEET FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SPREADSHEET FROM THE D 15 OFFICE. THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SPREADSHEET FROM THE D 19 OFFICE, AND THEN ALSO ALTHEA HAS PROVIDED HER BOARD DETAIL SPREADSHEET, WHICH INCLUDES INFORMATION. I BELIEVE IT WAS AFFECTIONATELY REFERRED TO AS HER BIBLE. SO IT HAS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULD BE THE SURFACE LEVEL DETAILS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR, AS WELL AS WHEN EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION WAS FORMED. ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT GENERATE REVENUE. ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHICH RECEIVE A STIPEND, CONTACT INFORMATION FOR EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION CHAIR, AND THE LOUISVILLE METRO DEPARTMENT THAT CORRELATES WITH EACH BOARD OR COMMISSION AND THAT PERSON'S CONTACT INFO. SHE'S ALSO PROVIDED BOILERPLATE, BOILERPLATE NOTIFICATION NOTIFICATIONS THAT APPLICANTS RECEIVE WHEN THEY APPLY. BOARD AND COMMISSIONS PROCESS MAP AND A TEMPLATE FOR APPLICATION AND APPOINTMENT PROCESSES, INCLUDING AN EMAIL TEMPLATE TO THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY BEGIN THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS. IF THEY'VE EXPRESSED INTEREST VERBALLY, AND THEN A TEMPLATE FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE ALREADY APPLIED. ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO LINE THESE OUT, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO MENTION 14 OUT OF 64 BOARDS RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE BUDGET THAT WE PASS EVERY YEAR. 16 OR SORRY, 13 OUT OF 64 BOARDS RECEIVE COMPENSATION OR A STIPEND FOR BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEN 14 OUT OF 64 BOARDS GENERATE REVENUE. AND I LABELED THESE FOOD FOR THOUGHT FROM ALTHEA. BUT SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT SHE DOES NOT HANDLE, AND SHE'S ONLY INVOLVED WITH THE BOARDS THAT THE MAYOR HAS A HAS APPOINTMENT POWER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST. AND THE REASON I SAID, WHAT ARE THESE BOARDS? I FOUND INFORMATION ON THEM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE ONE OF THE 66 THAT'S MENTIONED. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT NOTE FOR COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHICH ARE BEING KIND OF THROWN INTO THE CONVERSATION. SO JUST BE PRESENT OF MIND OF THAT. WE ALSO GOT SOME INFORMATION ON SOME KRS STATUTES, AND TO MY COUNT, THAT TAKES DOWN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, NOT UNDER KRS TO 13. I BELIEVE THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THERE. AND BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TWEAKING TO GO. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT LIST OUT, SINCE I KNOW THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS INACCURATE. AND I'M STILL SAYING THAT IT'S IT MIGHT BE INACCURATE. BUT I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THOSE UP ON THE NEXT SLIDE. JUST AGAIN, THIS IS FROM ALTHEA, AND SHE'LL BE INVITED UP AFTER I GIVE THIS PRESENTATION TO FIELD. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? BUT SHE SAID THAT THERE ARE SOME BOARDS THAT THE MAYOR DOES NOT APPOINT THE ENTIRE BOARD. THEREFORE, THESE FOLKS ARE NOT PROCESSED BY ALTHEA. THEIR INFORMATION IS NOT IN THE PORTAL, WHICH MEANS YOU WILL ONLY SEE THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS LISTED. AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PORTAL
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ONLINE, WE'RE ONLY SEEING AGAIN THE ONES THAT THE MAYOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND SO SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT IS THE COMMUNITY ACTION PARTNERSHIP. SO WE WOULD OVERSEE THE 11 APPOINTMENTS, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TOTAL OF 18 PEOPLE. THE LAND BANK, KENTUCKIANA WORKS, LOUISVILLE ARENA AUTHORITY AND THE LOUISVILLE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, AND THEN THE SUBURBAN FIRE DISTRICT BOARDS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW, ABOUT.IS THERE ONE BEFORE THIS? OH YEAH. ABOUT THOSE FIRE DISTRICTS. SO WE HAD THOSE WRITTEN DOWN AS NOT UNDER KRS STATUTE, BUT THEY ARE UNDER KRS STATUTE ONLY BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION WAS ABSENT FROM THE WEBSITE. AND COINCIDENTALLY, ALL OF THE SPREADSHEETS THAT I HAD IN MY POSSESSION AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT I DID WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE SEVEN SUBURBAN FIRE DISTRICTS, AS OUTLINED ON THIS SLIDE, ARE COVERED UNDER KRS. AND WE ALSO SAID THAT THERE'S ONLY SOME OF THESE BOARDS THAT ONLY HAVE THREE APPOINTMENTS. AND ALTHEA SAID THAT THE MAYOR HAS APPOINTMENT POWER OF THREE PEOPLE ON ON THAT BOARD, WHICH IS WHY YOU ONLY SEE THREE PEOPLE LISTED IN THE PORTAL. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY OWNER OR FIREFIGHTER ELECT, WHICH IS WHY I DON'T LIST THEM ON THE PORTAL. HOWEVER, THIS IS IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE I'M HAPPY TO INCLUDE. JUST KNOW THAT I DON'T CONTROL THAT INFORMATION, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP, SINCE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE KIND OF QUESTIONING WHY A FIRE BOARD ONLY HAD THREE PEOPLE ON IT. SOME MORE FOOD FROM THOUGHT FROM ALTHEA. SOME MEMBERS SERVE BY VIRTUE OF THEIR POSITIONS AND THEREFORE ARE NOT APPOINTED OR LISTED ON THE PORTAL. SOME OF THOSE, SUCH AS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION, THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION COORDINATING COUNCIL, AND THE JEFFERSON COUNTY LAW LIBRARY, AND IN SOME CASES, THE MAYOR TAKES RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD DIRECTLY AS TO WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT BOARD OR COMMISSION, AND EXAMPLES OF THAT IS THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE ZOO FOUNDATION. THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON SOME COMMITTEES THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAD ASKED SOMETHING LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT COMMISSION, BECAUSE THAT HAD NOBODY ON IT YET. AND. FROM ALTHEA, WE ARE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS AND SCREENING FOR ELIGIBILITY. 17 PEOPLE HAVE APPLIED FOR APPEAR TO BE ELIGIBLE, AND WE'RE WAITING FOR INFORMATION FOR THREE. TEN ARE INELIGIBLE. ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUILDING CODE BOARD OF APPEALS. AND IF IT WAS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE BOARDS. I WON'T READ INTO THAT, BUT THERE IS AN EXPLANATION THERE. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT I THINK THE CODE, THE BUILDING CODE OF APPEALS, HAS NOT MET IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO I THINK THAT THAT ONE IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE. THIS SEEMS AGGRESSIVE, BUT PUTTING OUR CROSSHAIRS. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CLARIFICATION. IS BRIGHT SIDE INC THE SAME THING AS THE BRIGHT SIDE FOUNDATION. AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
ONE IS THE AGENCY AND THEN ONE IS THE NONPROFIT. AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE NUANCE THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER. I WON'T GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SLIDE. ON THE NEXT SLIDE THOUGH, THIS IS A COMPILATION OF ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONS. I REMOVED A COUPLE OF THEM JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE WEEDS THAN WE NEEDED TO GET AT THIS TIME, BUT AS WE'RE CONSIDERING WHAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BOARD, I WANTED TO BRING ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS TO THE FOREFRONT OF US SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE HOW OTHER FOLKS FEEL WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. ONE PERSON SAID THAT SHOULD WE CAP THE BOARD NUMBER AT TEN OR SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE FOR EVERY BOARD? CAN THIS COMMITTEE GET A QUARTERLY GOAL OR AGENDA FROM EACH BOARD? CAN THIS COMMITTEE GET AN ATTENDANCE LOG FROM LAST YEAR FROM EACH BOARD? WERE QUORUMS ACHIEVED, AND HOW OFTEN SHOULD BOARDS FEWER THAN FIVE BE CONSIDERED FOR ELIMINATION? SHOULD BOARDS MEETING QUARTERLY JUST BE ELIMINATED? SHOULD WE FOCUS ON COMMITTEES THAT HAVE NOT MET IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS? CAN WE CREATE A LIST OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE 501 C3, AND IDENTIFY IF THEY ARE APPLYING FOR GRANTS? HAVE. HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY EFFORT TO CONSIDER OR EXAMINE K R E F DONATION RECORDS TO APPOINTEES HISTORICALLY? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF APPOINTMENTS FAIL TO BE CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL? AND HAS THAT CHANGED OVER TIME OR REMAIN
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STEADY? ALSO, THERE APPEARS TO BE A BROAD INCONSISTENCY IN WHETHER PEOPLE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE ISSUE THAT THE BOARD GOVERNS MAY SERVE. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE MANY BOARDS WHICH REQUIRE SEATS TO BE HELD BY OWNERS OR REPRESENTATIVES OF BUSINESS INTERESTS, BUT ALMOST EVERY BOARD WHICH RELATES TO METRO GOVERNMENT BARS EMPLOYEES AND THEREFORE UNION REPRESENTATION. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD DOES NOT HAVE A SEAT HELD FOR RESIDENTS. I'D BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO AND ADDRESSING THIS INCONSISTENCY AND DO OUR EXPECTATIONS OF BOARD PURPOSE ALIGN WITH ACTUAL BOARDS GOAL? WHAT ARE THE REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO SERVE? I THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE CAN GO DOWN. I PUT ANOTHER SLIDE ON THIS. JUST AS A REMINDER, THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS OR MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO GO. THEY MIGHT COMPLEMENT OR CONTRADICT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE SO WE COULD HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US THIS TIME, AS WE'RE HAVING OUR CONVERSATION WITH ALTHEA, AND I THINK THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE A PAUSE HERE. IF ANY OF MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, AS WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT BEFORE, I INVITE ALTHEA JACKSON UP TO SPEAK WITH US. I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I GUESS I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. THE IF YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE. SLIDE TWO, WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE ARE 67 BOARDS THAT AFFECT THE METRO COUNCIL, 60, 64 BOARDS THAT AFFECT THE METRO COUNCIL IN SOME WAY. WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF OVERSIGHT. EXCLUSIVELY. OR IS THAT A MIX OF STATE AND LOCAL? WHAT DO WE KNOW THAT. HOW MANY ARE EXCLUSIVELY? IF YOU GO TO THE THIRD LINE IT SAYS ARE THESE ARE THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS NOT UNDER KRS. IS THAT JUST THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL INVESTIGATING? WHICH ONES ARE EXCLUSIVELY METRO, EXCLUSIVELY STATE? AND MAYBE WE HAVE SOME KIND OF OVERSIGHT OR A HYBRID OF BOTH. I'LL LET ALTHEA GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION. DO YOU WANT ME TO? AS SOON AS I GET UP. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXCLUSIVELY STATE BOARDS? WE HAVE. WE HAVE SOME THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL HAVE APPOINTMENT POWER TO. AND SO, LIKE, AS THE EXAMPLE, THE LOUISVILLE ARENA AUTHORITY, THE MAYOR APPOINTS A NUMBER, THEN THE GOVERNOR APPOINTS ON THE LAND BANK. THE GOVERNOR HAS ONE APPOINTMENT, JCPS HAS AN APPOINTMENT AND THE MAYOR HAS APPOINTMENT. SO IT'S NONE. THAT IS JUST EXCLUSIVELY THAT WE WOULD OVERSEE OR THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE APPOINTMENT POWER THAT IS EXCLUSIVELY A STATE BOARD. SO JUST TO MAKE A POINT AND I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND SO RADICAL, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE OF THESE BOARDS WE COULD JUST DISSOLVE AT THE NEXT METRO COUNCIL MEETING. MIKE, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? MAYBE ONE THAT'S AT LMCO. NONE. THAT'S A KRS. YOU CAN'T JUST. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IS THERE ANY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE KRS TENTACLES IN IT? YEAH. THERE'S THERE ARE 12 OUT OF 64. 12 OKAY.WHICH ONE ON THAT LIST IS IT? THAT IS MY LIST, I'M SURE. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE ZOO BOARD ON THERE. IT'S THE ZOO. KRS 13, THE ZOO OFF BECAUSE I'M SORRY. ZOO IS KRS. SO THERE ARE.
I'M SORRY. THERE ARE 12. I SAID 13, THERE'S 12 OUT OF 64 BOARDS NOT ESTABLISHED BY KRS. SO THERE ARE 12 ELLEN THAT ARE JUST LMCO CHAPTERS OR THAT WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER, LIKE THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT THAT WAS. IS THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER ONLY? NO. I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE LMCO.
YES. SO YOU'VE GOT THE LIST HERE THAT I GAVE YOU AND IT TELLS YOU ALL THE HOW THEY'RE ESTABLISHED.
OKAY. IF THEY'RE ESTABLISHED THROUGH KRS OR IF THEY'RE ESTABLISHED THROUGH LMCO ONLY.
SO ON THAT LIST OF ALL 64 BOARDS, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE LIST, IT'LL TELL YOU ALL OF THOSE BOARDS. SO. SO DO YOU BELIEVE, MR. MISSUS CHAIR, THAT THE SCOPE OF OUR COMMITTEE IS TO
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ONLY FOCUS ON THESE 13 OR ALL OF THEM, OR THAT MIGHT BE A PREMATURE QUESTION. IT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M THROWING OUT THERE AS WE GO FORWARD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT. THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENTION, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHICH ONES WE HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY OVER. BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO COME OUT WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR CHANGES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE ALREADY KNOW OF SOME THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. AND I EVEN POINTED OUT IN THE VERY FIRST PRESENTATION THAT THE MAYOR HAD MADE A SUGGESTION, I THINK, TO THE LAND BANK BOARD, THAT IT NEEDED TO INCREASE TO A MINIMUM OF FIVE MEMBERS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.AND THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION, AN EXAMPLE OF A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TO THE STATE THAT WE WOULD MAKE. AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF ON US FROM OUR SIDE AS WELL FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER. JUST LIKE THE BUILDING CODE HASN'T MET IN 2 TO 3 YEARS, YOU KNOW. DO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT? NO. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THAT THAT'S AT LEAST ONE I'LL THROW OUT THERE THAT FOR US TO LOOK AT. AND SO THE BUILDING CODE IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INACTIVE. SO I DIDN'T EVEN PUT IT ON THIS LIST BECAUSE WE'VE DONE NOTHING WITH YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE NOTHING. OKAY. SO COUNCILMAN REED, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO ON THESE HYBRID BOARDS AND BY THE WAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS VERY GOOD. YEAH. IT'S GREAT. SO ON THESE HYBRID BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED BY STATE STATUTE AND BY LOCAL ORDINANCE, WHAT'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY? WHO ARE THEY? I GUESS, ACCOUNTABLE TO DOES KRS SUPERSEDE LOCAL AUTHORITY. HOW WOULD THAT WORK. SO THEY COME TO YOU FOR APPROVAL. SO THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN STILL COME GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THE MAYOR APPOINTS, AND THEN THEY STILL COME TO METRO COUNCIL FOR APPOINTMENT IN SOME, LIKE THE CRS 75, CHAPTER 75, I KNOW THAT THERE'S THAT STATE BOARD SUPERSEDES ANYTHING THAT LOCAL DOES. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? SO IF WE WANTED TO TAKE A BOARD, I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS OUT. THAT WAS 20 AND WE WANTED WE FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE AT TEN. BUT IT'S ONE OF THESE HYBRID BOARDS. WOULD WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? WE WOULD NOT KNOW. WE WOULD HAVE TO. YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND IT THROUGH THE STATE.
RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. NICOLE PANG FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE BOARDS THAT ARE ALSO ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE STATUTORY PROCESS, IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY APPLY ALL OVER THE STATE. SO FOR US TO SAY, WELL, LOUISVILLE WANTS TO INCREASE BOARD SIZES TO TEN, YOU HAVE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD AFFECT THE OTHER 120 COUNTIES, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S AN OVER ARCHING JUST THAT YOU SHALL HAVE THIS BOARD. SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS JUST ASKING THEM TO CHANGE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT AFFECTS OTHER JURISDICTIONS BESIDES METRO LOUISVILLE. SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M LOOKING AT THE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT BOARD, WHICH IS A STATE ESTABLISHED BOARD AND ALSO A LOCAL BOARD. SO YOU'RE SAYING THEN THAT THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE SIMILAR BOARDS. SO IF WE MADE A CHANGE, IT WOULD AFFECT EVERY OTHER COUNTY IN THE POTENTIALLY IN THE STATE. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'D HAVE WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL STATUTE BECAUSE SOME OF THE STATUTES SAY THAT. YOU CAN A LOCAL JURISDICTION CAN HAVE A BOARD. SO THEN IT MIGHT HAVE SOME PARAMETERS IN THERE. IT MIGHT NOT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT KARA'S CHAPTER 77 TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS AND HOW OUR ORDINANCE THEN ADOPTED IT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOU IS IMPERATIVE HERE. SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN LINENGER. IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, I HAVE AN ANSWER. CR 77 APPLIES TO EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE. SO THEY ALL HAVE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICTS. SO IN ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT I HAD SENT AFTER
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THE LAST MEETING, AND YOU SHOULD, LIKE I SAID, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN THAT DOCUMENT, IN THAT EMAIL, THREE DIFFERENT SPREADSHEETS. THERE IS ONE THAT'S FROM MY OFFICE, AND IT HAS THE MOST RECENT MEETING MINUTES AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025 OF EVERY COMMITTEE. SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON, IF THERE IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A ROUTE THAT WE TAKE IN ASSEMBLING THAT LIST OF ANY THAT ARE MISSING MINUTES. AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE THEY HAVE MINUTES, BUT THEY WEREN'T PUBLISHED. AND THOSE ARE EASY TO KIND OF FILL IN THE BLANKS. BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THIS PROBLEM IS, WHERE WE CAN CREATE LISTS ON LISTS, ON LISTS AND LISTS. AND WE HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US. BUT THEN HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE? YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THAT MENTION OF HOW MANY OF THESE BOARDS OUT OF THE 66 ARE NONPROFIT, HAVE A NONPROFIT ARM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO REALLY LOOK INTO? DO WE WANT TO TACKLE IT BASED ON BOARD SIZE? WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAD MENTIONED, HOW MANY BOARDS HAVE FEWER THAN FIVE PEOPLE? ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THOSE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? BUT THERE'S ALSO STIPULATION ON THE FIVE THAT THE MAYOR APPOINTS, OR FIVE ALL TOGETHER. AND SO THAT THEN KIND OF BECOMES A CONVOLUTED QUESTION. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE TO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE. AND SO AS YOU JUST SAID, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE BOARD OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR? AND TYPICALLY WHEN I'M TALKING I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THOSE THAT I HAVE RESPONSIBILITY ON BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION LIKE KENTUCKIANA WORKS. I GAVE THAT AS A AS AN EXAMPLE. THE MAYOR TO THE MAYOR APPOINTS 18 MEMBERS, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE A PART OF THIS WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE APPOINTMENTS AS WELL. I DON'T THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. SO THEREFORE I NEVER I DON'T GET THAT INFORMATION. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. AND ON THE, ON THE, ON GRANICUS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SPREADSHEET REFLECTS WHAT'S ON GRANICUS. AND ANOTHER POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN UNDER CARES AND NOT UNDER CARES, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO WHICH ONES THE MAYOR APPOINTS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER. AND THEN WHICH ONES COUNCIL APPROVES. BECAUSE I THINK THAT I HAVE THIS WRITTEN DOWN IN A NOTEBOOK AND A NOT THAT'S NOT WITH ME RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK COUNCIL, WHEN WE HAVE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND PEOPLE COME BEFORE US, THERE'S ONLY 40 SOMETHING OF THESE BOARDS THAT WE APPROVE MEMBERS OF. SO THEN WHAT IS THAT LIST? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON. SO IT'S ON THIS SPREADSHEET. YES. IF YOU LOOK ON HERE, IT'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT COUNCIL HAS THAT HAS TO COME BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BOARDS THAT HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND THERE ARE 5050. AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT ARE NOT ON THAT LIST DOES THAT. WELL. DOES THAT 50 NUMBER INCLUDE THE ONES THAT ARE READ INTO OUR RECORD BUT ARE NOT HEARD BY GOA? NO, NO, NO. SO THE 50 ARE THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE. THE OTHER 14 ARE THE ONES THAT ARE JUST READ INTO THE RECORD THAT YOU GUYS DON'T APPROVE. AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT 14 DOESN'T MATCH THE 12 THAT WE DON'T OVERSEE, BECAUSE WHY WOULD IT? I'M JUST TRYING TO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO PAINT A MUDDY PICTURE. SO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS SPREADSHEET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BUILDING CODE OF APPEALS BECAUSE THAT'S INACTIVE. SO I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT ON HERE. AND THE FILM COMMISSION. SO THAT MAY BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY NUMBER AND THE TWO IN YOUR NUMBER. VICE CHAIR, WHEN YOU SAY FILM COMMISSION, DID YOU MEAN THE FILM ADVISORY THERE THAT WE HAVE. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? THE FILM ADVISORY COMMISSION? YEAH. OKAY. IT'S NOT ON HERE BECAUSE IT'S INACTIVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS, BUT THERE IS SOME CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING.AND SO THAT THAT FILM ADVISORY COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, AS WE KNEW IT HAS BECOME INACTIVE. IT MAY
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COME BACK AS SOMETHING ELSE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS INACTIVE. I KNOW THAT IN FRANKFORT RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE PRIORITY BILLS IS TO CREATE A KENTUCKY FILM COMMISSION. AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HERE'S MY OTHER QUESTION. SO THE ONES THAT FIRST OFF, CHAIR, WHEN YOU SAID READ INTO THE RECORD, DO WE APPOINT OR READ INTO THE RECORD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT IS USUALLY JUST A LETTER THAT'S SENT OVER BY THE MAYOR AND WE AND THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE COUNCIL MEETING, THE CLERK WILL READ THAT INTO THE RECORD, BUT WE WON'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. OKAY. IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOTED. I SUPPOSE IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE RECORD. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT GOES TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP IT AMONGST ALL OF THE OTHER APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE MADE. SO IT'S LIKE A GATEKEEPING THING. I DON'T HAVE TO BRING THEM OVER HERE. NOTHING. THE STATUTE NOTHING SAYS THAT I HAVE TO READ THEM, BRING THEM OVER TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD. I CHOOSE TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WANT A RECORD OF THESE INDIVIDUALS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WHAT IS THE MECHANISM THAT TAKES A COMMISSION OR BOARD OR COMMISSION FROM ACTIVE TO INACTIVE? IS THAT A SPECIAL STATUS OR JUST A WORD YOU'RE USING? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEAN WELL RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THE FILM COMMISSION, IT'S A WORD THAT I'M USING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO THE OFFICIAL OKAY, THAT WAS SET UP THROUGH AN EXECUTIVE ORDINANCE. AND SO WE'RE GOING WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF MAKING IT OFFICIAL. BUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ACTIVE DOING ANY WORK RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THESE CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS, THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME TO PUT IT ON THIS SPREADSHEET FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE BUILDING. IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.THE APPEALS, BUILDING CODES, IT'S INACTIVE TOO. IS THERE ANY THEY HAVEN'T MET FOR THREE YEARS? THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY APPEAL APPEALS FOR THREE YEARS. SO THERE'S REALLY. YEAH. SO THE BUILDING CODE LOOK AT APPEALS. THEY LOOK AT APPEALS. AND WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY APPEALS. SO THEREFORE THEY THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THEIR MAIN REASON TO MEET. AND SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY APPEALS. SO THEY HAVEN'T MET IN THREE YEARS. OKAY. MAYBE IT MAY EVEN BE LONGER THAN THAT. THANK YOU. IS IT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW I'M NOT INFORMED ON THE SUBJECT. THAT JUST SEEMS KIND OF CRAZY THAT THERE'S BEEN NOT A SINGLE APPEAL IN THREE YEARS. AND PART OF ME WONDERS IF THAT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO FILE AN APPEAL. IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TRUE OR NOT? AND THEN IF THEY DO FILE AN APPEAL, DOES IT GO TO AN INBOX THAT'S NOT MONITORED AND NOBODY CARES? SO I THINK YOU ACTUALLY GO INTO 444, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU ANYTHING WRONG. YOU'LL NEED TO CALL RICHARD PRICE IN FOR THAT. SURE. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO CALL. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU ANYTHING WRONG. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LOUISVILLE FILM COMMISSION, THAT WAS DID YOU SAY ESTABLISHED BY AN ORDINANCE, AN EXECUTIVE ORDINANCE? NO.
EXECUTIVE ORDER. I'M SAYING ORDINANCE. EXECUTIVE ORDER. EXECUTIVE ORDER. SO IT WAS NOT.
IT DIDN'T COME BEFORE COUNCIL. AND SO IN ORDER TO INTRODUCE IT AND HAVE IT COVERED BY LMCO, THEY'LL NEED TO CREATE STRUCTURE AND BYLAWS. AND THEN THAT WILL COME BEFORE US, BECAUSE I'M ALSO ASKING BECAUSE I HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS PARKS BOARD THAT. THEY ADVISE THE PARKS ADVISORY PARKS ADVISORY COMMISSION, BUT IT'S DEFUNCT AND ISN'T EXISTING, AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT BOARD SHOULD LOOK LIKE. SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT SOME, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A DIRECTOR FOR A WHILE. SO WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEW DIRECTOR CAME IN. SO MICHELLE IS FINALLY HERE. THEY'RE MOVING ON IT. WE SHOULD HAVE FOLKS COMING BEFORE GOA IN THE NEXT NEW BUSINESS OR IN A IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO WE ARE THEY ARE MOVING ON THAT. AND I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC STATUTE IN FRONT OF ME. 97.035 FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMISSION. I THINK TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF KEVIN, COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UNDER KRS STATUTE. AND WE'VE JUST DECIDED AT A LOCAL LEVEL, LIKE, WE'RE NOT
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GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW. NO, NO, NO, THERE'S NO REPERCUSSION TO US. NOT SO THEY WEREN'T MEETING THEY NOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DEEMED INACTIVE OR INACTIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY JUST WEREN'T HAVING MEETINGS WHICH IS INACTIVE, BUT THEY ARE. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THEY WEREN'T MEETING REGULARLY. THEY ARE REORGANIZING AND THAT IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. IS THERE ANY PENALTY FOR NOT MEETING? I'M THINKING LIKE IN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MEET X AMOUNT OF TIMES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE BYLAWS. YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE X AMOUNT OF MEMBERS. AND SO LIKE THINKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HELD TO THESE STANDARDS. AND WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO STIPULATIONS. YOU KNOW, AT OUR LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE BOARDS ARE DOING WHAT THEY WERE CREATED TO DO, JUST KIND OF SEEMS WHAT'S THE POINT IN ANY OF IT? I UNDERSTAN, I THINK COUNCILMAN LEININGER AND THEN COUNCILMAN REED, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, SINCE IT'S NOT ON THIS SHEET, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE KRS THAT STIPULATES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PARK ADVISORY COMMITTEE? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS? YES. 97.035.PARENTHESES FIVE. COUNCILMAN REED. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND WHEN WITH WITHIN THE MCO CREATED BOARDS, YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE THAT WERE CREATED BY EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THEN YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE. CORRECT. THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER BY THE MAYOR DO NOT NECESSARILY COME BEFORE COUNCIL. SO THE TECHNICAL NAME OF THE FILM ADVISORY COMMISSION, I THINK WAS THE MAYOR'S FILM ADVISORY COMMISSION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. WELL, AN EXAMPLE IS THE BOARD THAT I'M ON, WHICH IS THE PERSONS FOR DISABILITIES, AND THAT WAS CREATED BY THE MAYOR. OKAY, OKAY. SO AND THAT'S A GREAT BOARD, BY THE WAY. I MEAN, DOING REALLY GOOD WORK. SO THEORETICALLY, IF THE BOARD SIMILAR TO THAT WAS TO BE DISSOLVED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISSOLVED BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. IF IT WAS CREATED BY THE MAYOR THROUGH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND IT WAS NOT ADOPTED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. YEAH. IF SO, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A LARGE TASK THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING FOR TO, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO LOOK AT THESE 13 OR SO BOARDS THAT YOU ALL HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER, THAT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE. GO THROUGH THOSE FIRST 13 OR 14, HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE, SO THAT YOU CAN GET A FEEL OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. AND BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN DETERMINE WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE, BECAUSE THIS BODY ESTABLISHED THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DO NOT HAVE A KRS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. ONCE YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN START WITH THE ONES THAT ARE HYBRIDS WITH THE CRAS AND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. BECAUSE TO COUNCILMAN LEININGER'S POINT, THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD IS NOT MANDATORY. IT'S PERMISSIVE. SO IT SAYS IF A CONSOLIDATED LOCAL GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO THIS, OR IF THEY HAD A BOARD PREVIOUSLY THAT MET WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, THEN THEY CAN HAVE A PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. WE DID GO AHEAD AND THERE IS AN ORDINANCE REGARDING THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD NOW. SO THAT'S ONE WHERE IT'S PERMISSIVE. YOU ALL COULD DISSOLVE IT IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THROUGH ORDINANCE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE YOU GET A FEEL OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OVER AND DETERMINING WHAT YOUR PARAMETERS ARE AS TO WHAT YOU KNOW YOU WANT THESE BOARDS TO DO AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN IT WOULD BE EASIER TO MOVE ON TO THE ONES THAT ARE PERMISSIVE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALSO BOARDS THAT YOU CAN DISSOLVE IF YOU WISH, OR CHANGE THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OR YOU KNOW WHO THE MEMBERS ARE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE DIFFERENT PRESCRIBED SEATS, THEN YOU COULD DO THAT AS WELL. SO AND I'M JUST THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION BECAUSE I KNOW HOW OVERWHELMING THIS IS. AND I JUST STARTED WORKING ON THESE TWO YEARS AGO, AND I FACED A SIMILAR SITUATION BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY. THANK YOU. I MEAN, I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CHAIR. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YOU KNOW, START WITH A LOW LYING
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FRUIT AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY TO THE REST. BUT THAT'S UP TO ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LEININGER BALLPARK. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS SUBSECTION FIVE OF 97 035 OR WHATEVER IT WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN CITIES OF THE FIRST CLASS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. DO WE DO WE HAVE A BALLPARK IDEA OF HOW MANY OF THESE ARE PERMISSIVE? ARE YOU ASKING HOW MANY ARE REQUIRED? AND LIKE, HOW MANY MUST AND HOW MANY SHALL? NO, NO, I'M ASKING HOW MANY. THE OPPOSITE. I'M ASKING DO WE HAVE? JUST LIKE I SAID, JUST A BALLPARK IDEA. HOW MANY ARE PERMISSIVE LIKE THE PARKS ADVISORY? I DON'T. THAT'S OKAY. I WAS I JUST THINK YOU'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU'D KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. NO, NOT THAT EITHER. NO. I MEAN, IF WE GO THROUGH THE LIST, IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF LOOKING AT THE STATUTES. I MEAN, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE COULD PROVIDE. BUT AS I SIT HERE NOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU. BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS JUST ON THE UP. IS THAT WHAT HE SAYS? NO. LIKE THE PARKS ADVISORY. ALTHEA, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT. I HAD MENTIONED THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST. THOSE ARE I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. WHAT ARE THOSE BOARDS AND HOW MANY OF THEM DO EXIST? S THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTAING,ECAU I D'T HANDLE THOSE, THEY ARE THEYOME T O U TO DEL NOWAYBELANNINGND DESIGN SERVICES. AND THEY ARE. SO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY I THINK THEY HAVE A PROCESS AND I BELIEVE THEY COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THEY JUST DON'T COME THROUGH ME. THE MAYOR DOES NOT APPOINT IT IS A I THINK THEY DO IT THROUGH THEIR BOARD. MAYBE SONIA MAY CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HANDLE THEM. BUT I JUST, I KNOW ABOUT THEM. ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST IS HANDLED BY A LADY. HER NAME IS JULIA WILLIAMS, AND SHE IS OUT OF THE WHOLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOP LOUISVILLE ARM AGAIN. I DON'T HANDLE IT. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT. SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST PUT BLINDERS ON TO THOSE. THIS IS SONIA, THE CLERK. ACTUALLY, YOU GET A LETTER. THE LAST TIME WE'VE GOTTEN ONE, EMILY LOU WAS STILL HERE, AND SHE'LL SEND A LETTER AND IT'LL LIST ALL OF THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND SUCH. IT JUST DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE PRIME GOV. I MEAN, THE GRANICUS SYSTEM. AND BUT IT DOES COME BEFORE YOU ALL. IT COMES BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND YOU ARE I MEAN THE APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE AND THEY WOULD APPROVE THEM. SAME PROCESS. IT JUST DOESN'T GO THROUGH GRANICUS AND IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. AND I GUESS IT WAS SET UP THROUGH STATUTE OR BY STATUTE THAT SAYS IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE MAYOR COMMITTEE OR AND ACTUALLY GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT OR APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S, IT'S SET UP BY STATUTE. I MEAN BY LMC. OH, OKAY. LOCAL CHAPTER. SO THERE'S 50 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OUT OF THE 66 THAT COME BEFORE COUNCIL. BUT THERE ARE MORE THAN THAT, 50 THAT WE APPROVE APPOINTMENTS FOR. THAT NUMBER IS JUST THE ONES THAT THE MAYOR APPOINTS. AND SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS THERE A FULL COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EVERY SINGLE BOARD THAT COMES BEFORE GOA? HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT DISTINCTION AND WHO DOES AND WHO DOESN'T? SO FOR ME, I I'M ALL ABOUT STATUTE. I DO WHAT I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATUTE. SO IF THE STATUTE TELLS ME THAT I HAVE TO APPOINT TEN NUMBER TEN MEMBERS FROM WHATEVER THEIR BACKGROUND IS TO A PARTICULAR BOARD, AND IT HAS THE MAYOR APPOINTS AND IT'LL SAY METRO COUNCIL APPROVES WITH THE APPROVAL OF METRO COUNCIL. THE OTHERS, I DON'T SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. I'M ONLY WORK ON MAYOR, MAYOR, MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS, THAT'S WHAT I WORK ON. AND SO MAYBE THE CLERK'S OFFICE MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THE OTHER BOARDS THAT COME BEFORE YOU ALL THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF IS THE ARCHITECTURAL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS I SENT YOU TODAY.IT'S 32.253, REMEMBER? THAT WAS LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THESE TWO? AND SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. AND
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I SENT YOU THAT DOCUMENT AND IT TELLS YOU LIKE WHAT THE MAKEUP IS. IT'S SEVEN MEMBERS YADA YADA. AND LIKE I SAID IT COMES STRAIGHT FROM EMILY. IT USED TO COME FROM EMILY LOU. SO NOW IT WOULD COME FROM THE OFFICE OF PLANNING. PROBABLY WOULD COME FROM BRIAN DAVIS. YEAH. IF IT'S COMING FROM THE OFFICE AND IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR, MAYBE TWO YEARS. I'M THINKING NICOLE GEORGE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HERE THE LAST TIME WE HAD TO APPROVE A SET. SO THERE'S 51 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. MAYBE MORE BECAUSE. BECAUSE THEY DOES THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. ARE THERE MULTIPLE? I WAS ABOUT TO SAY I CAN'T TELL YOU BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN ONE, BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE, BECAUSE IT SAYS EACH COMMITTEE SHALL CONSIST OF SEVEN MEMBERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARCHITECTURAL. I CAN FIND THAT OUT VERY EASILY FOR YOU, THOUGH. SURE. AND BEYOND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THERE'S OTHERS OR JUST THAT ONE. THAT'S THE ONLY BOARD I'VE EVER SEEN THAT DIDN'T COME FROM ALTHEA. AND ACTUALLY, I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND SHE WAS LIKE, NOPE, I DON'T TOUCH THOSE BOARDS. AND IT'S LITERALLY A LETTER. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT. WHAT IF SOMEWHERE IN THE SPAN OF TIME ONE JUST FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS, SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE LAST CLERK WAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BOARD OUT THERE, A COMMISSION THAT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, BEEN MEETING IN A BASEMENT SOMEWHERE AND WE DON'T KNOW. BUT BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER REQUIRED THEM TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHERE IS THE MASTER LIST OF THIS INFORMATION INSTEAD OF, OH, LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE A DEPARTMENT HEAD AT ANY TIME COULD BE LIKE, OH, YEAH, WE HAVE ONE OF THESE BOARDS. YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT INFORMATION IS LIKE ANY. I DON'T HAVE IT AGAIN.I MAYOR'S OFFICE, I'M ONLY MY ROLE AND MY JOB IS SURE WHAT HE IS. WHAT? HE HAS APPOINTMENT POWER TO. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE OTHERS. HEY, I WOULDN'T WANT ANY. YOU KNOW, IN MY WORD, THIS IS A TANGLED LITTLE KNOT. ARE THERE VACANCIES? I MEAN, WHERE WOULD YOU FIND OUT? IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A COUPLE OF THREE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS SOME THINGS FLOATING AROUND IN THE NEWS OR WHATEVER THAT THERE WASN'T. THEY COULDN'T FULFILL SOME OF THE OBLIGATIONS THESE BOARDS ASKED FOR. I THINK IT WAS THERE WASN'T ENOUGH REPUBLICANS AROUND OR SOMETHING. WAS THAT IS THAT ALL THOSE THINGS STILL AROUND OR HAVE THEY BEEN RECTIFIED? I SENT OUT LAST NIGHT TO THE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, A LIST FROM MARCH TO DECEMBER OF 2025, ALL OF THE UPCOMING VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE COMING OUT OF OUR OFFICE. SO THERE IT'S I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL SEND IT AROUND, BUT THEY ARE LISTED ON ONLINE. YOU CAN GO IN AND SEE WHEN THERE'S A PARTICULAR IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN A PARTICULAR BOARD, YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY VACANCIES. WELL, I KNOW IN MY NEWSLETTER THAT I SEND OUT, IT'S KIND OF LEFT OVER FROM WHAT ROBIN ENGEL HAD IN HIS NEWSLETTER, IS IT INVITES PEOPLE TO EXPLORE IF THEY WANT TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. WE'RE ALWAYS BECAUSE IT'S ROTATING.
PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ROTATING OFF THE BOARD. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW MEMBERS. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO ONLINE. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. AND, AND WHAT I TELL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO, WHO, WHO TELL THE MAYOR OR MAYBE EVEN TELL YOU, HEY, I WANT TO SERVE. AND THEN ONCE WE DIG INTO IT AND THEY AND WE GIVE THEM AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ON THE BOARD, HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES, ALL WE CAN'T DO IT. AND SO WE JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO ONLINE, COMPLETE THE APPLICATION. SO WHEN I HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND SO I MAY BE LOOKING FOR I MAY BE ON, I'LL JUST THROW OUT HOUSING AUTHORITY, I MAY BE LOOKING FOR A REPUBLICAN, A FEMALE REPUBLICAN OUT OF COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. I MAY NOT HAVE HAD ANYONE, YOU KNOW, TO SIGN UP FOR THAT, BUT I CAN ALWAYS GO IN THE PORTAL AND AGGREGATE THE INFORMATION TO SEE. MAYBE THEY DIDN'T APPLY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, BUT I LOOK AT INFORMATION FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, SO THEY MAY HAVE APPLIED LAST YEAR OR MAYBE EVEN THE YEAR BEFORE I CAN PULL THAT INFORMATION. BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, YES, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE. WHAT ARE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, BOTH OF YOU GUYS, ON THE DIRECTION THIS BOARD SHOULD TAKE? IF YOU COULD JUST CONVERSATION HERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK EVERYTHING ON THE BOARD. OPERATIONS SPHERE IS WORKING
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GREAT OR COULD THERE BE IMPROVEMENTS? SO IN ANYTHING YOU DO, THERE ALWAYS CAN BE IMPROVEMENT. IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, YES, THERE ALWAYS CAN BE IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE SONIA AND I ARE WORKING ON GRANICUS SO THAT WHEN YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, YOU SEE ALL OF THE INFORMATION, JUST NOT PART OF IT THAT I THINK THAT BRINGS ABOUT SOME CONFUSION. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. I THINK THE IDEA THAT NICOLE SAID TAKE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER. LOOK AT THOSE BOARDS, MAKE DECISIONS ON THOSE AND THEN GO TO THE BROADER. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LEININGER.YES. ENTERTAINMENT VALUE. I LOOKED UP THE CRA I'M SORRY, THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY AND IT'S THAT THERE SHALL BE NINE MEMBERS BY ORDINANCE AND THAT IN THE EVENT OF A VACANCY, THE MAYOR SHALL APPOINT NEW MEMBERS TO FILL VACANCIES AND THAT THEY MAY CREATE BYLAWS TO GOVERN THE BOARD. AND SO BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LOUISVILLE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD HERE ON LOUISVILLE, KY. GOV WE IT'S EASY TO FIND THE ORDINANCE. IF THEY HAVE BYLAWS, THEY'RE NOT THERE WHICH WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE BOARD OR EVEN MEMBERS OF THIS BODY. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FINDING, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT HAVE BYLAWS WOULD BE INTERESTING. I THAT'S IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT WE MIGHT HAVE BOARDS WITHOUT BYLAWS. I, I COME FROM A WORLD WHERE THAT'S UNTHINKABLE. SO WHERE WOULD WE GO TO FIND WHETHER BOARDS HAVE BYLAWS AND HOW TO READ THEIR BYLAWS? FOR EXAMPLE, THE PART.
LET'S JUST TAKE PARKS, SINCE I'M TALKING ABOUT IT. DO THEY HAVE BYLAWS? DO WE KNOW? I THINK THEY SENT THEM. I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM RECENTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ACTIVE. BUT I CAN I CAN LOOK FOR THEM AND IF THEY HAVE THEM AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF UPDATING THE GRANICUS AND MAKING SURE ALL OF THAT IS THERE. BUT BUT SO THERE IS A BACK END SOMEWHERE WHERE ALL THE BYLAWS ARE FILED FOR ANY. WELL THEY, THEY SHOULD BE WHERE STEADY UPDATING THEM BECAUSE THE, THE BOARD OR THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF HAS THEM. THIS OFFICE DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE THEM. I'VE RECENTLY ASKED FOR THEM TO SEND THEM ALL TO ME SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL UPLOADED. NOW, WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BYLAWS. THEY ARE THEY GO BY THE STATUTE. SO THOSE THAT ARE HAVE, ARE, ARE ESTABLISHED THROUGH STATUTE MAY NOT HAVE BYLAWS. THEIR STATUTE IS GOING TO BE THEIR BY LAW. SO KNOW THAT. AND SO AND THEN I JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT MORE CLEARLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PARKS ADVISORY BEING THANK YOU. WE TALK ABOUT THE PARKS ADVISORY BEING DEFUNCT CURRENTLY NOT NOT IN OPERATION, WHOSE DECISION WAS THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS BOARD AND IT SHALL HAVE NINE MEMBERS, AND WHEN THERE'S A VACANCY, THE VACANCY SHALL BE FILLED. SO THAT'S THAT'S LAW. AS I AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I AM NOT A LAWYER. SO WHAT WHERE WAS THE DECISION MADE TO SHUTTER? I THINK IT WAS IT HAPPENED AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL BECAUSE THEY HAD, THEY WERE, HAD A THEY DIDN'T HAVE A DIRECTOR, THEY HAD A SHORTAGE OF STAFF. SO THEY DID NOT HAVE A LIAISON TO, TO CALL THE MEETINGS TO WORK WITH THE WORK WITH THE BOARD. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ANSWER TO IT. RIGHT. BUT THE DIRECTOR IS SERVES EX OFFICIO CORRECT FOR THAT BOARD. BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE HAD TO BE TELLING THE STAFF THERE HAD TO BE A BOARD LIAISON THAT IS WORKING WITH THE BOARD. SO THE BOARD JUST DOESN'T OPERATE. SOMEBODY HAS TO CALL THE BOARD TOGETHER SO THAT THAT THAT FUNCTION WAS NOT HAPPENING.
SO THAT'S HOW IT SHUTTERED. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENED. RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S I THERE IS I MY QUESTION IS ABOUT LEGAL AUTHORITY. HOW DOES THE DIRECTOR
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OR THE LACK OF DIRECTOR CREATE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO SHUTTER A BOARD THAT THIS BODY HAS LEGALLY CREATED? WELL, THERE'S NO YOU DON'T HAVE A PENALTY IN YOUR ORDINANCE. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUNITIVE ACTION, THERE'S REALLY I MEAN, YOU CAN DO AWAY WITH THE BOARD IF YOU IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP DECIDES TO DO. BUT I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE WHO WOULD HAVE STANDING TO COMPEL THE MEETING OF THE BOARD, THE DIRECTOR. BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMANENT DIRECTOR UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTORS AND ACTING DIRECTORS. SO WHEN DID SHE COME IN? LIKE, SINCE SHE'S BEEN THERE MAYBE SIX MONTHS. SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF HER PRIORITIES, IS GETTING THIS BACK ON TRACK. BUT UNLESS THERE IS A PENALTY IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO. YOU COULD CALL THE DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS OR THE PARKS BEFORE YOU ALL TO ASK HER, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD SAY, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THIS BOARD IF YOU FAIL TO MEET. OKAY. AND IF AND IF WE GOT REAL SQUIRRELY HERE AND WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, WE CREATED THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF STANDING THAT WE COULD BRING LEGAL ACTION TO, TO COMPEL A MEETING. WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS. SO AND ALSO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT EVERYBODY THAT SERVES ON THESE BOARDS FOR THE MOST PART, ARE VOLUNTEERS.SO, I MEAN, I USED TO BE THE CHAIR OF A STATE BOARD, AND IT WAS AN ALL WE HAD AN AWFUL TIME TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO ONEROUS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WILLING TO SERVE. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE ONLY REMEDY IS TO CALL PARKS BEFORE YOU AND ASK THEM WHY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE. WELL, SO AGAIN, THE LAW SAYS THAT THE MAYOR SHALL APPOINT AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. OKAY.
WELL, THEN YOU CAN CALL THE MAYOR AND ASK HIM BECAUSE. BUT, BUT, BUT AND THIS IS JUST ME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. AND YOU KNOW, I'M NEW AROUND HERE, BUT LET'S SAY I CALL THE MAYOR. THE MAYOR SAYS, NO, I DON'T WANT TO APPOINT ANYBODY. OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE BOARD SEATS THAT AREN'T FILLED THAT BY ORDINANCE, SAY, SHALL BE FILLED. WELL, I HAVE A I BROUGHT YOU ALL A HANDOUT. IF I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN FIND IT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY AND IF THERE IS NOBODY APPOINTED WITHIN 90 DAYS WITH OF AN EMPTY SEAT, THEN COUNCIL CAN APPOINT THEM. SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT. I GAVE A COPY TO COUNCILMAN JJ EARLIER, AND I THOUGHT I HAD PRINTED OUT MORE. LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT IT. WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I'M DONE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. AND ALSO WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO REWRITING ORDINANCES, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE THOSE NINE APPOINTEES DON'T COME FROM THE MAYOR. BUT ALSO NICE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS THIS CLOCK THAT'S TICKING AND HOW QUICKLY THEY NEED TO BE APPOINTED. AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTOR, WE ALWAYS HAVE AN INTERIM DIRECTOR. AND SO THAT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD. I UNDERSTAND CONSISTENCY AGAIN. SO I NEED TO SAY THEY WERE ALSO WORKING ON SOME KIND OF PLAN, SOME KIND OF PARKS PLAN. AND SO THEY WANTED IT TO BE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO JUST MEET TO BE MEETING. I'M ASSUMING THEY WANTED IT TO BE FOCUSED AROUND THIS PARKS PLAN. THIS IS JUST ME TALKING. YOU'LL NEED TO CALL IN THE DIRECTOR AND ASK HER. SURE. COUNCILMAN KRAMER, SO TWO THINGS. FIRST, I THINK PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCOVER IS THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO CREATED BOARDS WHO FELT LIKE THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT THING, AND WE NEEDED A BOARD TO DO THIS AND DID ALL OF THE CREATING OF IT. BUT. THE BUT THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE BOARD. SO LIKE IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO ME, BUT IF IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO ANYBODY ELSE, I'M NOT GOING TO GET SOMEBODY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY TO A BOARD THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT. AND I THINK THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. I MEAN, I REALIZE AND I APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THERE'S LOTS OF BOARDS THAT SERVE A, YOU KNOW, A VALUABLE PURPOSE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING BOARDS JUST BECAUSE WE LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A BOARD THAT'S NOT REALLY RESPONDING TO A NEED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS,
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BUT INSTEAD IT'S US CREATING SOME SENSE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO THINK IT IS. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE, AND I DON'T I THINK THAT'S A VERY, VERY TINY, TINY PIECE OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE. RIGHT. THAT'S THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR OVERWHELMINGLY FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO DON'T DON'T HEAR THAT WRONG. I'M NOT SAYING THAT MOST OF OUR BOARDS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, BUT THERE ARE SOME. THE SECOND THING I THINK, AND THIS I THINK GETS MORE DIRECTLY TO YOUR QUESTION. I THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON ALTHEA AND THE WORK THAT SHE DOES AT ALL. THE CURRENT MAYOR HAS TAKEN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS VERY SERIOUSLY AND IS MAKING AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW WHAT THE RULES SAY HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO IT IN THE PAST. IT'S STILL A BIT OF HISTORY. WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE THERE WERE BOARD APPOINTMENTS THAT REQUIRED APPROVAL AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. THE COUNT THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WHO HAD MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WERE UNSATISFIED WITH SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WERE BEING MADE BY THE BOARD, AND WE WERE ANXIOUS FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THAT BOARD WHO WOULD EITHER BE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT, OR WE WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT SOME OF THEM WHO HAD WHO HAD OUTLIVED, WHO HAD OUTLASTED THEIR THEIR TERM. THERE WERE TERM LIMITS. THERE ARE LIMITS TO HOW LONG A PERSON CAN SERVE. AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD EXCEEDED THAT, THAT LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THEY COULD SERVE. IF WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO NEW MEMBERS COMING IN BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE SOME CHANGES, THE MAYOR WAS NOT INTERESTED IN THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN, AND SO JUST SIMPLY REFUSED TO MAKE CHANGES. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT HAS EIGHT MEMBERS AND THE PERSON'S TERM HAS EXPIRED, THAT SEAT HAS TO BE FILLED. AND SO UNTIL THAT SEATS FILLED, THAT PERSON CONTINUES TO SERVE. AND SO THERE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE JUST CONTINUED TO SERVE AND SERVE AND SERVE. AND SO FINALLY, THE BOARD, THE COUNCIL STEPPED IN AND SAID, NO, IF THAT'S A FAIRLY RECENT ORDINANCE, WE STEPPED IN AND SAID, IF AFTER IF A PERSON SERVES 90 DAYS BEYOND THEIR THE END OF THEIR TERM AND THE MAYOR HASN'T APPOINTED SOMEONE, THEN THE COUNCIL WILL. SO AND THOSE TWO THINGS ARE TRUE. I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF MY ANSWERS IS RESPONDING TO THE THING THAT'S CONCERNING YOU THE MOST.BUT BUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHERE WE'RE NOT FINDING PEOPLE, WE SHOULD BE ASKING THE QUESTION LIKE, WHO'S THIS IMPORTANT TO? AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE SERVING BEYOND THEIR TIME. AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT IS NOT MY EXPERIENCE IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. I'LL SAY IT THAT WAY. THAT IS NOT MY EXPERIENCE IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE EXCEEDING THEIR TIME, AND WHEN THEY ARE, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON FOR IT AND WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TO GET THAT FIXED. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE FOLKS ARE GIVING THEIR TIME AND THEIR TALENT FOR FREE. NOW, SOME OF THEM WILL GET A STIPEND, SOME MAY BE $25 OR $100. YOU THINK ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I MEAN, THEY'RE IN THERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS. SO WE GOT WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING, YOU KNOW. LEGAL WHATEVER AGAINST THESE BOARDS.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE VOLUNTEERS. THEY ARE NOT HERE MAKING TO GET ON THESE BOARDS TO MAKE TONS OF MONEY. IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GIVING TO THE CITY THEIR TIME AND THEIR TALENTS, AND THEY'RE LEAVING THEIR FAMILIES TO COME AND HELP THE CITY. DO BETTER, DO MORE. COUNCILMAN, READ. WELL, AND JUST TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF HERE. THAT WHAT WE DO CAN'T BE. WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S COMPREHENSIVE AND USEFUL FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS BE SO DRACONIAN THAT WE'RE, IN ESSENCE, DISSUADING PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO SERVE. SO, I MEAN, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I KNOW ALTHEA KNOWS THIS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ALLEYS FULL OF PEOPLE JUST WAITING TO COME IN AND SERVE, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF CASES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE OPENINGS BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE THERE TO SERVE. SO WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF BE GENTLE ABOUT THIS, I THINK. THANK YOU. AND MY IMPRESSION WAS NOT NECESSARILY SUING THE BOARD AND TAKING ALL OF THEIR MONEY, BUT IT WAS MORE OR LESS ENFORCING THE FACT THAT THEY EXIST. SO NOT TAKING PUNISHMENT OR RETALIATION AGAINST EXISTING OR PROBABLE MEMBERS. BUT HOW CAN WE ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WE ENACT? I THINK THAT THAT WAS MORE THE IMPRESSION THAT I TOOK FROM THE
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NODS. CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE ORDINANCES, YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT PUTTING A PENALTY IN THERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU IF YOU WANT MORE OVERSIGHT, THEN THAT MAY MAY SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER PUTTING PENALTIES IN THERE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T ENFORCE IT. I CAN'T MAKE THEM MEET. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. SO. I AGREE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF MADE A LIST OF LISTS THAT WE NEED TO GATHER, AND I JUST WANT TO PROPOSE THIS AS A WAY OF MOVING FORWARD. SO I WANT TO IDENTIFY ALL THE ONES THAT ARE NOT UNDER KRS. SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S 12. WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THE BOARDS THAT GO BEFORE GOA. AND OVER 50 OF THOSE WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THE LARGEST BOARDS. SO MAYBE THE ONES THAT HAVE OVER 20 MEMBERS SHOULD BE ON THAT, THE ONES WITH THE SMALLEST BOARDS. AND MAYBE LET'S TARGET THE ONES THAT HAVE FIVE OR LESS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT COMPLETE BOARDS OR JUST COMPLETE BOARDS? OKAY. COMPLETE BOARDS AND THEN ALSO BOARDS THAT HAVE NOT MET IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST THAT TIME FRAME. IF YOU WANTED TO SAY IN THE LAST QUARTER ONES THAT RECEIVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND THEN ONES THAT HAVE NONPROFIT ARMS, AND ONCE WE GET THAT LIST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHICH ONES TICK THE MOST BOXES.SO HERE WE'VE GOT SEVEN. SO IF THERE IS A BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKES SEVEN OF THESE BOXES, THEN WE KNOW THAT WE WANT THEM IN FRONT OF US. SO I'LL WORK ON ASSEMBLING THOSE LISTS AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHO OUR OFFENDERS ARE, BUT WHO WHO THE FOLKS ARE.
THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING UP IN A REPETITIOUS MANNER. AND THEN WE CAN INVITE, I SUPPOSE, THAT BOARD CHAIR TO COME IN AND ADDRESS THIS COMMITTEE. AND I DO WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF PEOPLE'S TIMES. YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY ASKED ME TO BE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, IN TWO WEEKS, I WOULD GO, GOODNESS, YOU'RE INCONSIDERATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE THAT ASK. AND SO HOW MANY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO YOU ALL THINK THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH IN ONE HOUR? IS THAT TWO, FOUR, SIX? OKAY. A SUGGESTION IS WE HAVE ONE AND WE TRY IT. MAYBE. ONE BOARD FOR THE FIRST MEETING AND MAKE SURE. LET'S SEE WHAT THE TOP FOUR ARE AND THEN HOW MEATY THOSE ARE. AND IF WE CAN DEDICATE 15 MINUTES TO EACH THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT. AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE BACKING US WITH A MEETING AFTER THIS IN CHAMBERS, AND WE COULD ALWAYS GO OVER A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU GUYS ARE AMENABLE TO THAT AND DON'T MIND HAVING A LATE DINNER. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO IF THAT SOUNDS AGREEABLE, THEN I'LL WORK ON THAT AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. DOES THAT SOUND AGREEABLE? ALL RIGHT. WONDERFUL. ANY MORE COMMENTS QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? YES. ALTHEA, TO CALL IN THE BOARD LIAISONS OR THE PERSON FROM THE DEPARTMENT, OR YOU JUST WANT TO SPEAK WITH THE CHAIRPERSON? COMMITTEE MEMBERS? HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THAT? DO WE JUST WANT THE BOARD CHAIR, OR WOULD WE ALSO LIKE TO INVITE THEIR ACCOMPANYING? DEPARTMENT LIAISON? COUNCILMAN, IN THE CASE OF THE COMMISSION FOR DISABILITIES, SARAH TEETERS IS OUR MAYORAL LIAISON. SO DOES EVERY BOARD HAVE THAT? I HAVE I WORK WITH SOMEONE THAT'S IN THAT DEPARTMENT. OKAY. SO TO ME, IT WOULD BE WISE TO BRING THAT PERSON IN. AND THAT'S ON THERE ON THIS SPREADSHEET. THAT PERSON IS. GOT IT. I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS EXTEND THAT BY, YOU KNOW, LET'S FILL UP THE CHAMBERS. OKAY. WELL, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL HAVE OTHERWISE LET'S ADJOURN. THANK YOU. OKAY.
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