[00:07:53] AN UNEXPECTED BREAKTHROUGH SUCCESS. FOR. [00:08:33] NATURAL TV. ONE MINUTE PLEASE. THE. FIRST. [Call to Order] [00:10:19] GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE FOR GOVERNMENT AUDIT AND OVERSIGHT. I'M THE [Roll Call] CHAIRPERSON, COUNCILWOMAN DONNA PURVIS, AND I'M JOINED BY MY CO-CHAIR, COUNCILMAN ANTHONY MARTINI. WE HAVE IN THE CHAMBERS COUNCILMAN LININGER, COUNCILMAN J.J, COUNCILWOMAN BASS, WE ALSO HAVE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY, IF THE CLERK WOULD READ THE DISCLAIMER, PLEASE. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO CR 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE PENDING LEGISLATION FOR ONE, TWO AND THREE ITEMS ONE, TWO AND THREE AT THE END. WE HAVE SEVERAL APPOINTMENTS AND WE DO NOT WANT TO HOLD UP THE APPOINTEES WHILE WE DISCUSS LEGISLATION. SO OUR FIRST APPOINTMENT IS THE APPOINTMENT [4. AP021825JB     APPOINTMENT OF JEROME BAKER TO THE JUNETEENTH JUBILEE COMMISSION. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 29, 2027) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] OF JEROME BAKER TO THE JUNETEENTH JUBILEE COMMISSION. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? SECOND. OKAY. IT IS PROBABLY MOTION. AND SECOND. MISS JACKSON. JACKSON. MAYOR OFFICE. THE PURPOSE OF THE JUNETEENTH JUBILEE COMMISSION IS TO FACILITATE THE CREATION OF AN ANNUAL SERIES OF EDUCATIONAL, CULTURAL, AND COMMUNITY WIDE EVENTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF INCREASING COMMUNITY AWARENESS OF THE OF THE JUNETEENTH. THERE ARE ANYWHERE FROM 15 MEMBERS, UP TO 21 MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD, AND THEY DO SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM. THERE IS ALSO A MAYOR'S DESIGNEE, MAYOR, OR HIS DESIGNEE. METRO COUNCIL HAS A SEAT ON THIS BOARD, AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE PRESCRIBED SEATS. RESIDENTS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN FIELD OF EDUCATION. THE FINANCIAL COMMUNITY, PUBLIC HEALTH, ARTS, CIVIC AND BUSINESS COMMUNITY MEDIA, AND WHO ARE JUST ENGAGED IN DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. JEROME BAKER. MR. BAKER IS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE OUT OF COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. HE IS THE FOUNDER OF BAKER AND ASSOCIATES. THIS COMPANY SPECIALIZES IN IMPROVING EFFICIENCIES. HE WAS AN ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR WITH THE RIVER CITY DRUM CORPS. HE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMISSION. HE IS HERE IN CHAMBERS TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU ALL. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JEROME BAKER, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MY CONSIDERATION TO THE APPOINTMENT TO THE JUNETEENTH JUBILEE COMMISSION. WELL, THE DRUM CORPS BE DOING ANYTHING FOR JUNETEENTH IN THE CELEBRATION THIS YEAR. I THINK THAT I'VE APPROACHED THIS WITH MOST OF THE FESTIVITIES ALREADY BEING PLANNED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL HAVE ROOM THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S I DON'T THINK THAT IT'LL BE HARD TO WORK THAT IN IF REQUESTED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER BAKER? THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES. OH, GREAT. THANK YOU. DOCTOR MCCRANEY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER BAKER? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO WANT TO LET HIM KNOW THAT I DO SERVE ON THAT COMMISSION. AND I WELCOME HIM TO THE BOARD, AND HE IS INVITED TO COME WITH A LOT OF BRIGHT IDEAS. AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. I ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN KRAMER. THAT IS ON THE LINE VIRTUALLY. THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. THIS CALLS FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. OUR NEXT APPOINTEE IS DOCTOR JOHN SHANNON, OUT TO THE JUNETEENTH [5. AP021825JC     APPOINTMENT OF DR. JOHN CHENAULT TO THE JUNETEENTH JUBILEE COMMISSION. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 29, 2027) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] [00:15:03] JUBILEE COMMISSION. I'D LIKE TO GET A MOTION. MOTION? THANK YOU. ALL PROPERLY. MOTION AND MOVED. MISS JACKSON. SO DOCTOR SHANNON WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT, BUT HE DID PREPARE A STATEMENT THAT HE ASKED ME TO READ. SO HE SAID, UNFORTUNATELY, I AM NOT ABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING. HOWEVER, I WANT TO ADDRESS IN THIS BRIEF STATEMENT WHAT I IMAGINE, IMAGINE ARE THE TWO MAIN QUESTIONS ABOUT MY PENDING APPOINTMENT TO THE JUNETEENTH COMMISSION. ONE WHY I WANT TO JOIN THE GROUP TWO WHAT EXPERTISE DO I BRING TO THE TABLE TO ADDRESS ITS MANDATE AND MISSION? I WAS BORN IN CINCINNATI, OHIO, BUT I TRACE MY KENTUCKY ANCESTRAL ROOTS TO AN ENSLAVED WOMAN NAMED MIRANDA, WHO WAS BORN IN MADISON COUNTY, KENTUCKY, IN 1790, TWO YEARS BEFORE KENTUCKY BECAME A STATE. MIRANDA ENDURED 75 YEARS OF BONDAGE ON A PLANTATION OWNED BY ONE OF KENTUCKY'S MOST AFFLUENT AND INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES. SHE WAS FREED IN 1865 AND LIVED AN ADDITIONAL 15 YEARS. MIRANDA STANDS AT THE HEAD OF MY PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER'S ANCESTRAL LINEAGE, AND IT'S AND IS THE EARLIEST ENSLAVED ANCESTOR THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY BY NAME. ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW HER PARENTS NAME, THEY WERE BOTH BORN IN KENTUCKY, A FACT THAT PLACES MY ENSLAVED ANCESTORS HERE BEFORE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. MIRANDA'S DIRECT DESCENDANTS INCLUDE DOMESTIC WORKERS, CATERERS, AUTOMOBILE MECHANICS, SCHOOL TEACHERS, MILITARY VETERANS THAT SERVED IN THE CIVIL WAR AND WAR, WORLD WAR ONE AND TWO, A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER TO PHYSICIANS AND ME, AND AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT A MEDICAL SCHOOL. JUNETEENTH PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE SACRIFICES OF MIRANDA AND HER ANCESTORS, KNOWN AND UNKNOWN, WHO ENDURED AND PERSEVERED TO MAKE OUR LIVES POSSIBLE. IT GIVES US A PLATFORM TO ADDRESS THE LONG HISTORY OF ENSLAVEMENT IN THIS NATION, IN WAYS THAT ELEVATE AND HUMANIZE OUR ENSLAVED ANCESTORS, WHETHER WE KNOW THEIR NAMES OR NOT. IT IS FOR THIS REASON AND PURPOSE THAT I AM OFFERING TO VOLUNTEER MY TIME AND ENERGY TO SERVE ON THE JUNETEENTH, ON THE JUNETEENTH COMMISSION. IN TERMS OF QUESTION NUMBER TWO, WHAT EXPERTISE DO I BRING TO THE TABLE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION'S MANDATE AND MISSION? I'VE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE TELLING OUR STORY AS A POET, PLAYWRIGHT, MUSICIAN, LIBRETTIST, AND SOCIAL HISTORIAN. MY RESEARCH INTO SLAVERY AND SLAVE TRADE IN PARTICULAR HAS TAKEN ME TO WEST AFRICA, WESTERN EUROPE, THE CARIBBEAN AND CENTRAL AMERICA. I HAVE VISITED AND DOCUMENTED SLAVE FORTS IN SENEGAL AND GHANA, AND PORTS OF ARRIVAL IN PUERTO RICO, CUBA AND PANAMA. I EARNED TWO GRADUATE DEGREES IN PAN-AFRICAN STUDIES TO EDUCATE MYSELF AND OTHERS. MY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SUBJECT, THEREFORE, IS INFORMED BY ACADEMIC STUDY, ARCHIVAL RESEARCH, TRAVEL, AND ATTENDANCE AT NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES. I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE WITH THE JUNETEENTH COMMISSION IN SERVICE OF THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, DOCTOR JOHN SHENAULT. THANK YOU. VERY, VERY INTERESTING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING DOCTOR SCHULTZ HISTORY? KENTUCKY. KENTUCKY? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT IS TIME TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I, I OPPOSE. THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. BEEN HERE 12 YEARS. IS IT ALL? YEAH. OKAY. OUR NEXT [6. AP021825MJ     APPOINTMENT OF MELISSA JACOBI TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES MARCH 3, 2028) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] APPOINTEE IS MELISSA JACOBY TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? SECOND, DID YOU DO BOTH? YEAH. MOTION I SECOND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PROPERLY. MOTION APPROVED. MISS JACKSON. SO THE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PROVIDES SUPPLEMENTAL SAFETY, CLEANING, AND AMBASSADORS TO AN AREA WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. EMD ALSO PROMOTES MARKETS AND ADVANCES THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS, AND RESIDENTIAL VITALITY OF DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE. TO BE A MEMBER, YOU HAVE TO BE AN OWNER OR DESIGNEE FOR A RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE BUILDING, PARKING FACILITY, RESTAURANT, OR SOME TYPE OF FOOD SERVICE FACILITY, OR THE OWNER OR OPERATOR OF A HOTEL. LODGING [00:20:04] FACILITY. MELISSA JACOBY IS AN OWNER OF THE BOURBON AND BLUSH SALON SPA. SHE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND MARKETING. SHE HAS BEEN BEEN A COMMITTED BOARD MEMBER AND WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS REAPPOINTMENT. MISS JACOBY IS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS TO INTRODUCE HERSELF. MR. CORBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER THEM? I'M SORRY. ALTHEA. THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT, CORRECT? NOT A REAPPOINTMENT. REAPPOINTMENT? YES. APPOINTMENT. I'M SORRY. THIS IS FOR A HOLD ON. THIS IS A REAL APPOINTMENT. IS THIS APPOINTMENT? YEAH. OURS SAYS APPOINTMENT. THAT'S WHEN YOU SAID REAPPOINTMENT. I'M SORRY. NO PROBLEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AN APPOINTMENT. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU KNOW. TECHNICAL. TED WAS GOING TO CATCH YOU. WHO? YEAH. I'M SORRY FOR THE POINT. MR. COLBY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT I OWN DOWNTOWN BUILDING AS WELL. AND LIVE DOWNTOWN. SO I OWN A BUSINESS. I LIVE DOWNTOWN, AND I OWN PROPERTY DOWNTOWN. SO GOOD. GOOD. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. JACOBY? I DON'T, YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR ADVOCATING FOR DOWNTOWN. JUST CURIOUS AS TO YOUR THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE TO? I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED A LOT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS COUNCIL ABOUT REINVIGORATING DOWNTOWN AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND STUFF. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE MAYBE THE TOP 1 OR 2 THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO FOCUS ON TO GET DOWNTOWN HUMMING AGAIN? I THINK THE HOMELESS OBVIOUSLY IS A HUGE ISSUE. AND MORE BUSINESSES. RIGHT. YEAH. IT TYING IN THE HOTEL DISTRICT WITH NEW LOU. SOME OF THOSE DEAD SPOTS. I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. GREAT GREAT, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. APPRECIATE IT. YES. COUNCILMAN LINENGER HAS A QUESTION. SORRY. SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOMELESSNESS CRISIS DOWNTOWN. I'D BE CURIOUS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HELP LEAD ANY KIND OF EFFORTS ON THE BOARD FOR FUNDING SUPPORT FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOR SOME STABILITY FIRST SOLUTIONS, GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS AND INTO TREATMENT AND GET THEM INTO STABLE HOUSING. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. DOCTOR MCCRANEY. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, WHAT ARE HER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE. WHAT IS THAT CALLED? DOWN THE WATERFRONT. PHASE. IS IT PHASE FIVE? PHASE FOUR. PHASE THREE. I'VE ADVANCED IT QUITE A BIT. HAVEN'T? IT'S FOR THE LATEST ONE. YES, THE ONE THAT'S GOING TOWARD THE WEST. THIS IS FOR. AND ALSO I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT THE MAYOR HAS PROPOSED FOR THE. BELVEDERE DOWNTOWN. YES. BELVEDERE, PLEASE. COULD YOU REMARK ON BOTH OF THOSE? WELL, DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING SOME ARTWORK DOWN BY THE. I THOUGHT IT WAS PHASE THREE, BUT IT MAY BE PHASE FOUR. I'M ACTUALLY GREAT FRIENDS WITH DEB BIELICKI, SO. AND SHE'S IN CHARGE OF THE WATERFRONT, SO I COULD WORK A LOT WITH HER. BUT CURRENTLY, I'M NOT. I'M NOT INVOLVED. I'M A NEW APPOINTEE, SO I'M JUST GETTING INVOLVED. CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THOSE PROJECTS? OH, I THINK THEY'RE GREAT. I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. I THINK IT IT WILL CONTINUE TO DRAW PEOPLE DOWN TO DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE AND ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFY A LONG THAT WAY. I ALSO CREATED PRODUCT DOWN. OFF OF I THINK IT'S 17TH STREET. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. AND I THINK ANY IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE DONE IN THE WEST END. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR SURE. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED ANY IMPROVEMENT OR CHANGES SHOULD BE DONE IN THE WEST. AND [00:25:02] HAVE YOU WORKED ON ANY WESTERN INITIATIVES? I HAVE NOT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT. WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. OUR NEXT [7. AP021825JM     APPOINTMENT OF JOSHUA MOSHER TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES MARCH 3, 2028) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] APPOINTEE IS JOSHUA MOSER TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. CAN I GET. A THANK YOU? PROBABLY. MOTION AND MOVED. MISS JACKSON. SO, MISTER MOSER. IS THE DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT. HE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH ASSET MANAGEMENT, OF COURSE, AND CORPORATE FINANCE. HE IS A CORPORATE FINANCE PROFESSIONAL. HE WORKED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE WHALEN VENTURES GROUP. HE'S BEEN THE DIRECTOR OF BUSINESS STRATEGIES WITH UOFL. HE IS IN THE CHAMBERS TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU. WANT TO COME UP AND BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS APPOINTMENT. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU WANT TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT YOURSELF? SURE. NAME IS JOSH MOSIER. LONG TIME RESIDENT FOR LOUISVILLE. BEEN HERE SINCE I WAS SIX YEARS OLD. HEAVILY INVOLVED. HAVE FELT THE NEED TO SERVE AND BE INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS OF THAT. I WAS ALSO THE MAYOR OF BROWNSBORO FARM, WHICH IS A SIXTH CLASS CITY IN THE EAST END. THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OR SO BEEN INVOLVED IN HOUSING. SPECIFICALLY SENIOR HOUSING, AND THEN WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE TRANSITION OVER INTO RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. HISTORIC REHABILITATIONS WITH WAYLAND VENTURES IN THE LAST 3 OR 4 MONTHS. I SWITCHED OVER TO LDG DEVELOPMENT AS THEIR DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT. SO THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN IN DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE. THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OVERSEE AND MANAGE AND SUCH. AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPING AND INVOLVING WITH THE LIE TECH, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS AND THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE AREA DOWNTOWN. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. JUST BECAUSE YOU WORKED WITH WAYLAND AND NOW WITH WITH LDG. MAYBE AN ADVOCACY THING. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS AS A QUESTION, FEEL FREE. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MAKE PARTICULARLY DOWNTOWN, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MORE ATTRACTIVE. SURE. FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO BUILD. RIGHT. WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RENOVATING SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, UNDER OR UNUSED OFFICE BUILDINGS INTO RESIDENTIAL OR JUST GENERALLY MAKING IT A MORE HIGH DENSITY, DEVELOPER FRIENDLY CLIMATE TO GET MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN. SO I THINK WITH YOUR BACKGROUND, WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE BOTH TO THE BOARD AND TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT. SURE. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS NOW, OR IS THAT JUST A BROAD? IF YOU HAVE 1 OR 2 YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE, THAT'S FINE, BUT. BUT YOU CAN ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH US AFTERWARDS. SURE. I MEAN, THERE'S NO SECRET WE HAVE ALL WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANT BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR PUTTING RESIDENTIAL SPACES WITHIN THEM. OR EVEN COMMERCIAL SPACES. I'M A BIG FAN OF REUSE OF PROPERTIES. THE CHARACTER AND CONSTRUCTION OF DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE. AS SOMEBODY WHO'S TRAVELED ACROSS MOST OF THE CONTINENTAL US AND THROUGH THROUGH CANADA, IT'S YOU CAN'T RECREATE WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CONSTRUCTION DOWNTOWN. I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF SAVING IT AND REPURPOSING IT. BUT ALSO FROM A SITTING PLANNING STANDPOINT, NOT JUST CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT AND AN ATMOSPHERE FOR DOWNTOWN THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO MOVE DOWN HERE. OBVIOUSLY, PUTTING THE RESOURCES DOWNTOWN AS FAR AS SOLVING OUR FOOD DESERT PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACES TO, TO FIND FOOD. AND THAT'S HONESTLY THAT'S A TRAGEDY. BUT TO BE A LIVABLE SPACE, IT NEEDS TO BE A WALKABLE SPACE. SO PLACES THAT I CAN WALK [00:30:04] DOWN TOWARDS AND CORRIDORS, MEANING I CAN WALK FROM SOMEWHERE TO SOMEWHERE. THERE'S STUFF TO DO. THERE'S STUFF TO BE A PART OF MY LIFE THAT'S DOWNTOWN AND NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT EVENTS. I'M TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACES, OPEN SPACES, ACTIVITIES, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND TO, TO GATHER AND SUCH. YOU KNOW, THE NICE THING ABOUT LOUISVILLE IS IT'S THE BIGGEST SMALL TOWN IN THE SOUTH. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF GOT THAT CULTURE WORKING TOWARDS US OF COMMUNITY. I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS JUST KIND OF BUILDING AND DEVELOPING ON TOP OF THAT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. AND I'M HOPING WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU CAN COUPLE THAT WITH SOME CREATIVITY AND BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT DOWNTOWN. AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO. BUT WE NEED SOMETHING TO WALK TO. SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LIVING OR, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES, RETAIL, WE DEFINITELY NEED SOMETHING. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN WORKING AND I HOPE YOU MAKE DOWNTOWN A PLACE TO BE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO TAIL ON TO PART OF ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE WATERFRONT PARK, AND THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH DEVELOPMENTS TOWARDS THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD. AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED ON THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF PAINTERS ROW THERE AT 15TH AND LITTLE STREET, THAT'S BUTTING RIGHT UP AGAINST WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE EXTENDING TO AND HAVING TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHO ARE AROUND IT, THE EXCITEMENT IN THAT AREA FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, FOR THE WATERFRONT TO BE EXPANDING OUT THERE AND CONNECTING THEM WITH DOWNTOWN AND MAKING IT PART, MAKING THEM PART OF DOWNTOWN IS IT'S PALPABLE. THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT. SO AM I. YEAH. MY DISTRICT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN LEHNINGER. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD MAYBE RELATE ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE STATE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT DOWNTOWN AS RELATE TO YOUR ANSWER TO COUNCILMAN SANTINI'S QUESTION? SURE. SO I'M A FAN OF A OF A, WELL RUNNING PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM. ONE OF MY HOBBIES IS TRAVEL. I LOVE TO TRAVEL TO CITIES. PART OF WHAT I DO IN ASSET MANAGEMENT IS ALSO KIND OF SEEING WHAT MAKES OTHER CITIES VIBE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO, TO GET AROUND AND HOW WHAT ATTRACTS THEM TO THAT AREA. SO I'VE USED DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WEREN'T VERY ATTRACTIVE AND OTHERS THAT WORKED OUT VERY THAT THAT WERE VERY EFFICIENT AND CLEAN AND WENT WELL. I THINK THAT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WE JUST CAN'T BE THINKING ABOUT TARC. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROBABLY OPPORTUNITIES OF EXPANDING THAT VISION TO. LIGHT LIKE TROLLEYS, LIGHT RAIL, STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT MAYBE FUNCTIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE SEAMLESSLY WITH THE LOCAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS. AND WITH MORE EASE OFF AND ON OFF OF THOSE. YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN I'M, IT'S I THINK IT GOES INTO THAT VISION OF, OF HOW SOMEBODY GETS AROUND WITHIN THE CITY. WE CAN'T HAVE IT BE TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO JUST LIKE GET INTO THEIR CAR AND THEN GO FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. BUT PARK AT A, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL, ONE OF THE CENTRAL LOCATIONS. HOP ON SOMETHING THAT'S PUBLIC TRANSIT AND BE ABLE TO TIE THEM IN WITH ANY PART OF DOWNTOWN WITHIN A FEW MINUTES. IS, I THINK, A FANTASTIC IDEA. SO BUT YOU WOULD SAY THAT REGARDLESS OF DIFFERENT FORMS OF TRANSIT, THE CURRENT SERVICE IN DOWNTOWN IS NOT ADEQUATE TO THE NEEDS OF AN EXPANDING AND IMPROVING DOWNTOWN, BOTH IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS. I THINK THAT. MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IF INSTEAD OF LIKE A WHOLE WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, MAYBE SOMETHING OF A REINVENTING OF IT. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MODELS OUT THERE WORTH PURSUING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. READY TO TAKE A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I. I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELCOME. BACK. OKAY. OKAY. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE. I'LL BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OUR NEXT APPOINTMENT [8. AP021825KW     APPOINTMENT OF KELLIE STALLARD WATSON TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES MARCH 3, 2028) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] [00:35:02] IS KELLY STELLAR WATSON TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOTION AND APPROVED. MISS JACKSON. SO MISS WATSON HAD A CONFLICT TONIGHT. SO. BUT WE STILL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER APPOINTMENT. MISS WATSON IS AN ATTORNEY. WITH MSD. SHE HAS BEEN. SHE WAS THE PAST GENERAL COUNSEL FOR AND LEGISLATIVE LIAISON FOR METRO GOVERNMENT. SHE HAS SERVED IN OTHER CAPACITIES AS AN ATTORNEY. SHE IS VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. SHE HAS JUST A VARIOUS EXPERIENCES WITH SETTING STRATEGY. WITH WORKING IN POLICY. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER APPOINTMENT, EVEN THOUGH THAT SHE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING MISS WATSON? 1111. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. OUR NEXT IS A [9. RP021825MA     REAPPOINTMENT OF MATT AYERS TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 15, 2028) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] REAPPOINTMENT OF MATT AYRES TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. MOTION. SECOND, BEEN PROPERLY MOTION. AND SECOND. MISS JACKSON. SO, MR. AYERS. METRO COUNCIL, DISTRICT 19. HE IS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER WITH NORTON HEALTHCARE. HE HAS HIS MASTER'S IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. WE KNOW THAT NORTON IS A BIG PRESENCE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. HE IS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. AS MENTIONED, MATT AYERS, I'M THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR NORTON HOSPITAL. OUR DOWNTOWN LOCATION FOR NORTON HEALTHCARE. I'VE BEEN THE ADMINISTRATOR THERE FOR OVER TEN YEARS WITH NORTON HEALTHCARE FOR OVER 20, AND LIVED IN LOUISVILLE FOR 23 YEARS NOW. SO IN THE MIDDLETOWN AREA. SO WE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, USUALLY I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS AND I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENTS BECAUSE WE JUST APPRECIATE YOUR ONGOING SERVICE. BUT JUST WANT TO SAY DO APPRECIATE ALL OF NORTON'S WORK AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE AREA. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST THE ABILITY TO ADVOCATE FOR THE CONTINUED WORK AND THE EXPANSION OF OR LET'S CALL IT THE CONNECTION OF ED TO NEW LOU TO DOWNTOWN. RIGHT? SO FINISHING THAT WORK, BUT THEN FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL CONNECTED TO THAT OVERALL DOWNTOWN STRUCTURE. VERY HAPPY FOR THAT. I KNOW NORTON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN ADVOCATING FOR THAT. SO REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND THANKS FOR YOUR ONGOING SERVICE TO THE BOARD. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF LOU, AND CERTAINLY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE STATE AND THE BUSINESS PARTNERS. WE'RE PROUD OF OUR WORKANDERTAINLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MUCH MORE IN THE FUTURE. THA YOU R TH. ION TO OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR WORK. THANK. YOU. OKAY. THERE WE GO. OUR NEXT REAPPOINTMENT IS SHARON CROFTON TO THE LOUISVILLE [10. RP021825SC     REAPPOINTMENT OF SEAN CROFTON TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 15, 2028) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. THANK YOU, MISS JACKSON. SO, MISTER CROFTON IS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS WITH FOURTH STREET LIVE. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT FOURTH STREET LIVE AND THEIR PRESENCE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I'LL JUST HAVE HIM TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU. I WON'T GO INTO AND BORE YOU WITH EVERYTHING, BUT HE IS HERE TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF. HELLO, I'M SEAN CROFTON, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, FOURTH STREET LIVE. I THINK WE'RE ANYTHING BUT BORING. SO. BUT THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING ME FOR REAPPOINTMENT. JUST. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A COINCIDENTAL CONNECTION HERE. I WENT TO WASHINGTON AND LEE UNIVERSITY. OKAY. JUST ALMOST, ALMOST AT THE EXACT SAME TIME I WAS THERE, 95 TO 99. SO THAT WOULD HAVE. THAT [00:40:02] WOULD HAVE BEEN TROUBLE. YEAH. SO. AND THEN DID YOU GROW UP IN NEW JERSEY OR DID YOU. NO. I GREW UP IN VIRGINIA BEACH. I MOVED UP TO NEW JERSEY IN I THINK, 2010. WITH WITH BONEFISH GRILL, ACTUALLY. SO. OKAY. IT'S BEEN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS THERE AND THAT NEW BRUNSWICK AREA FOR MOVING TO DC AND THEN TO SAINT LOUIS AND THEN HERE TO LOUISVILLE FOR THE. I WAS BORN IN SAINT PETER'S IN NEW BRUNSWICK. LIVED AND GREW UP IN SOMERSET. ONE TOWN OVER AND THEN MOVED HERE ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO. SO JUST SAW SOME OF THE CONNECTIONS. NICE TO SEE AN EAST COASTER MOVING THIS WAY AS WELL. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I MISS THE COAST, BUT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY ENJOYED THE LAST, I GUESS, BEEN ABOUT FIVE YEARS LIVING IN THE MIDWEST. SO IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN GREAT. YEAH. GREAT. GREAT TO HAVE YOU. AND THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THE BOARD. APPRECIATE IT. REALLY ENJOYED IT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SEE THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. [11. RP021825JZ     REAPPOINTMENT OF JOSH ZIK TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES DECEMBER 2, 2027) Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: ] PETER. ALL NEXT REAPPOINTMENT IS JOSH ZICK TO THE LOUISVILLE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD. THANK YOU. PROBABLY MOTION AND SECOND. MISS JACKSON. SO JOSH IS THE CFO. WITH THE AJ HOTELS. PRIOR TO THAT, HE WAS THE REGIONAL MANAGER FOR THORNTONS INC. HE WAS A PUBLIC ACCOUNTANT FOR TEN YEARS. HE IS HERE IN THE IN THE CHAMBERS TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU ALL. HI. I'M SORRY. HI, I'M JOSH ZICK. I'M ACTUALLY THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE COMPANY, BUT HAVE BEEN THE CFO FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. BUT, YOU KNOW, GLAD TO SERVE. OPEN ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT ABOUT ME. THIS IS EASY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. NO NEW JERSEY CONNECTION. SO I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU. YEAH. NO. I'M KENTUCKIAN, SO. OH, WELL, THANKS FOR YOUR ONGOING SERVICE. YOU BET. OKAY. YES, SIR. I SAW IN YOUR RESUME THAT YOU LISTED YOUR FIRST WORK EXPERIENCE BEING CAMPAIGN MANAGER AS A INVETERATE POLITICAL HACK. MYSELF, I WAS ST AS AN INTERN IN THE SENATE. THEN I WORKED FOR STEVE NUNN FOR GOVERNOR. AND THEN FROM THERE I WENT TO BEN CHANDLER FOR GOVERNOR AND BEN CHANDLER FOR CONGRESS. SO I'VE WORKED ON BOTH SIDES. BUT EXCITING TIME JUST DIDN'T PAY VERY WELL. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU. OUR LAST APPOINTMENT OF THE EVENING IS DIANE TEMPLETON TO THE AFFORDABLE [12. AP102924DT     APPOINTMENT OF DIONNE TEMPLETON TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES DECEMBER 31, 2027) 2/4/24 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Held 1/30/25 Metro Council  Recommitted  1/9/25 Metro Council  Held 12/12/24 Metro Council  Tabled 11/21/24 Metro Council  Tabled 11/7/24 Metro Council  Tabled 10/29/24 Government Oversight/Audit and Appointments Committee  Recommended for Approval Sponsors: ] HOUSING TRUST FUND BOARD. THANK YOU, MISS JACKSON. SO, DIANE TEMPLETON HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO GOA. IT WAS TABLED. IT WAS PRESENTED, TABLED, HELD BACK. NOW IT'S BACK AGAIN. AND SO WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER APPOINTMENT. IN LIGHT OF THE LETTER THAT SHE WROTE. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM COUNCILMAN KRAMER. YEAH, I WANTED TO HAVE MY HAND WAS UP. DONNA. OH. I'M SORRY. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS FIRST YOU ALL WANT TO DO. WHAT'S THAT? DOESN'T MATTER. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK REALLY QUICK ON THIS. AND THAT IS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT QUITE FOR CERTAIN. IF SHE WAS ASKED TO WRITE A LETTER OR OR ANYTHING, BUT IRREGARDLESS, WHAT THIS LETTER STATES, I SIT ON THE AFFORDABLE TRUST FUND BOARD, AND THAT BOARD, WE MADE THAT ORDINANCE TO WHERE WHOEVER SITS ON THAT BOARD IS ALLOWED TO GET FUNDS. PERIOD. POINT BLANK, THAT LETTER, IT WOULD STILL BE NULL AND VOID. IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THIS YOUNG LADY IS PLACED ON THIS BOARD, SHE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN FUNDS UNTIL METRO COUNCIL DOES THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN CHANGING THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS APPOINTMENT SHOULD BE HELD UP ANOTHER DAY. I THINK THAT I WILL BE IN SUPPORT FOR THIS YOUNG LADY TO GET ON THIS BOARD, AND I WILL ASK THAT METRO COUNCIL DOES THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO TO CHANGE. THE WORDING OR CHANGE WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE IN THE [00:45:01] RULES THAT THEY HAVE. AND NOT HOLD ANYBODY ELSE UP IN THAT GOES ON THIS BOARD UNTIL WE DO THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE NEED TO DO. AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CHANGE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT ANOTHER DAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. COUNCILMAN KRAMER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. I THINK YOU POINT OUT, QUITE CORRECTLY, THAT WE HAVE A BIT OF A PROBLEM IN OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AROUND SOME OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AS AS JUST A BIT OF RECENT HISTORY. WHEN MISS TEMPLETON'S NAME CAME OVER, ORIGINALLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SHE WOULD BE SEEKING OR SHE WOULD CONSIDER SEEKING, YOU KNOW, A GRANT THROUGH THE BOARD THAT SHE WOULD SIT ON. AND THAT CAUSED SOME DISCOMFORT WITH, I THINK, SEVERAL OF US, CERTAINLY FOR MYSELF. IT CREATED SOME DISCOMFORT. I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR ANY BOARD OR COMMISSION. NOT NOT THIS ONE. NOT NOT MISS TEMPLETON, BUT ACROSS THE BOARD. I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE THAT WE HAVE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN OR WOULD EXPECT SOME KIND OF A BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY A FINANCIAL BENEFIT. FOR SERVING ON A BOARD. AND SO I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. AND I'M, I AM ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT IS CHARGED WITH LOOKING AT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE STRUCTURED AND MY COMMITMENT TO YOU AND TO THE COMMUNITY IS I WILL WORK ON THAT BOARD VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ON THAT COMMITTEE VERY HARD. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CHANGE THE RULES FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOME KIND OF RENUMERATION OR SOME KIND OF A BENEFIT FOR SERVING ON THESE BOARDS. WE APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE AND WE VERY MUCH VALUE THEIR EXPERTISE. BUT BUT THESE BOARDS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT SOMEONE RECOGNIZES AND UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO GAIN WEALTH. AND IN FAIRNESS, AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR APPOINTMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS MISS TEMPLETON'S INTENT. RIGHT. LIKE I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS SINCE THAT, THAT FIRST OPPORTUNITY. AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT SHE DID NOT SIGN ON TO THIS BOARD. SHE DID NOT AGREE TO DO THIS WORK BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME FUTURE BENEFIT OR GAIN FOR HER. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE SHE VERY MUCH CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. SHE VERY MUCH RECOGNIZES AND UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WORK THAT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO. AND IT AND I THINK THE LETTER IS JUST EVIDENCE OF THAT. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE LETTER IS NOT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, BUT I THINK THE LETTER DOES MAKE IT CLEAR THAT SHE HAD NO INTENTION OF USING THIS AS A AS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, GENERATE REVENUE FOR HERSELF. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT SHE SENT US THE LETTER. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT SHE, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SERVICE THAT SHE'S GOING TO OFFER TO THE COMMUNITY. I'M GRATEFUL THAT SHE'S WILLING TO DO THIS. AND FOR MY PART, I WILL BE DOING WORK ON THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SHOULD NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO INCREASE THEIR OWN PERSONAL WEALTH. AND THAT EVEN AFTER SERVICE ON THESE BOARDS, THERE SHOULD BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. BETWEEN THE TIME THEY FINISH THEIR SERVICE AND THE TIME THEY COULD REACH OUT TO THAT SAME BOARD OR COMMISSION AND SEEK SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL GAIN. AND I THINK THAT NUMBER LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU AND I, COUNCILWOMAN, IF I DECIDE TOMORROW THAT I'M READY TO BE FINISHED WITH METRO COUNCIL, THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN MY LEAVING COUNCIL AND MY BEING ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM ANY GRANTS OR PROCEEDS THAT THE THAT METRO MIGHT OFFER. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL. SO I AM OFFERING MY FULL THROATED SUPPORT FOR MISS TEMPLETON. I'M HOPING THAT SHE CAN, THAT SHE GETS A UNANIMOUS VOTE TONIGHT. AND I APOLOGIZE TO HER FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, INCONVENIENCE AND LENGTH OF TIME IT'S TAKEN US TO DO THIS. AND I HOPE THAT ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S PAYING ATTENTION RECOGNIZES THAT OUR HESITANCE IS NOT IN ANY WAY A REFLECTION ON MISS TEMPLETON. SHE'S A SHE'S AN EXCEPTIONAL CHOICE. OUR HESITANCE WAS IN THE FACT THAT, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, WE DO NOT HAVE THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES CORRECT OURSELVES. AND SO WE NEED TO GET THAT FIXED. SO, AGAIN, MISS TEMPLETON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE MISS TEMPLETON'S PATIENCE AND HER DEDICATION THAT I KNOW SHE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE BOARD. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. WITH THAT, [00:50:07] WE'RE READY TO TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THIS WILL GO ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU, MISS JACKSON. OUR NEXT PIECE OF BUSINESS IS SOME PENDING LEGISLATION. ITEM ONE ZERO. I'M SORRY. OH, DASH 053-25, AN [1. O-053-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) SECTION 38.61 RELATING TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT. Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: Paula McCraney (I-7) ] ORDINANCE AMENDING LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES. SECTION 38.61 RELATING TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT. WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I'M SORRY, I NEED A MOTION. THANK YOU. I'LL PROBABLY MOTION AND MOVE SECOND. WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF. COUNCILWOMAN DOCTOR MCCRANEY, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? WELL, I DO KNOW. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WOMAN. SO IT WAS REDISTRICTED TO INCLUDE DISTRICT SEVEN IN THIS PROCESS, AND WILL BE FINDING SOMEONE TO EVEN SERVE. BUT I DO WANT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SPEAK TO IT. THANK YOU. HOLLY HOPKINS, JEFFERSON COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AS THE SPONSOR EXPLAINED, THIS IS A CHANGE THAT'S REQUIRED BY REDISTRICTING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE COMPOSING THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT BOARD. READS, THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT BOARD IS COMPOSED OF REPRESENTATIVES SELECTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE SOME PORTION OF THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT IN THEIR COUNCIL DISTRICT. AND AS A RESULT OF THE LAST REDISTRICTING, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY PORTION OF DISTRICT 11. COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S DISTRICT IN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT, BUT THERE IS A SLIGHT PORTION OF DISTRICT SEVEN IN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT, SO THE ACTUAL CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE IS VERY SMALL. IT JUST STRIKES 11 AND INSERTS SEVEN. SO THAT DISTRICT SEVEN WILL BE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE NOMINATIONS FOR THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT BOARD THAT 11 USED TO MAKE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMITTEE MEMBER MCCRANEY. YES. CHAIR. PURPOSE. YOU HAVE EIGHT YES VOTES. OKAY. THE ORDINANCE PASSES. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT. LEGISLATION IS OLD DASH 055-25. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS [2. O-055-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 119.01, 119.02, and 119.03 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) REGARDING THE REGISTRATION OF RENTAL HOUSING UNITS. Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: Anthony Piagentini (R-19), Jonathan “JJ” Joseph (R-12)] ONE ONE, 9.0111, 9.02119.03 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING THE REGISTRATION OF RENTAL HOUSING UNITS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, MISS LYONS? I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS IN THE MOST ORGANIZED AND EFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE. AND MEANWHILE, BE OPEN TO ANSWERING AS MANY QUESTIONS AS I CAN. AND BEFORE I BEGIN. AND I COULD SIT HERE ALL DAY AND THANK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, PARTICULARLY ALICE LYONS, ROBBIE HOWARD. AND ON THE NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING, AND, OF COURSE, HOLLY HOPKINS, WHO WE WORK WITH ALL THE TIME, WHO'S ALWAYS LIAISONING WITH ALL OF THESE TOPICS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ABSOLUTELY YEOMAN'S WORK OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS TO PULL TOGETHER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW TODAY. BEFORE I GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS, THERE IS AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION THAT IS LOADED INTO THE SYSTEM. IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW IT, IT'S LISTED AS 0-05525 PROPOSED CABS 021825 [00:55:06] AMEND RENTAL REGISTRY. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. SECOND. CAN WE VOTE ON THAT FIRST JUST TO ADOPT THE. YEAH. CAN WE GET A VOICE VOTE? THE AMENDED AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? JUST REAL QUICK. CAN WE GET A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE CHANGES THE AMENDMENT SUBSTITUTION HAS? IS IT JUST CLEAN UP? MOST OF IT IS TECHNICAL. YEAH. IT'S NOT. LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. NOTHING PARTICULARLY SUBSTANTIVE. THE SUBSTANCE, THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CHANGE IS SIMILAR, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF TECHNICAL AND DEFINITIONAL AND OTHER TWEAKS THAT WE'VE MADE. BUT BETWEEN WHEN THAT FIRST DRAFT WAS CREATED, BECAUSE WHEN WE FILED IT AND WE KNEW THIS WHEN WE WERE FILING AGAIN, WE WERE GOING PRETTY QUICKLY THAT WE WERE WE WANTED TO GET THE FILING IN BY THE DEADLINE, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD. AND THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE LEAD REGISTRY, TOO. THERE'S AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION, BECAUSE WE JUST COULDN'T GET EVERYTHING IN AS QUICKLY AS WE WANTED TO. SO ALMOST ALL TECHNICAL, BUT SUBSTANTIVELY IT WAS SIMILAR. YEAH. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY. YES. MY MOTION IS SIMPLY THAT WE ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. WE WILL THEN HAVE CONVERSATION ON THE AMENDMENT ITSELF, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THE AMENDMENT PASSES. SO I JUST MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT I MADE A MOTION FOR WAS JUST TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SECOND. ARE WE READY? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE EYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN, YOU MAY PROCEED. THANK YOU. SO, BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, AND IT HAS BEEN SORT OF WIDELY REPORTED IN THE MEDIA AT THIS POINT. THERE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A MONTH PLUS AGO, IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS A HOUSE BILL FILED HOUSE BILL 173, WHICH IF IT WERE TO PASS IN ITS IN ITS FORM, WOULD ELIMINATE ALL REGISTRIES AND SPECIFICALLY HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE. IT WOULD ELIMINATE OUR RENTAL REGISTRY, OUR LEAD REGISTRY, AND OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL REGISTRY IF IT WERE TO PASS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING OF THAT BILL IN THE PAST TENSE, BECAUSE IT IS VERY MUCH STILL BEING CONSIDERED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. SO AFTER LEARNING ABOUT THAT BILL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, EVEN IN QUICK CONVERSATION WITH THEM, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE QUICKLY DISCUSSED IT. I REACHED OUT TO SOME MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, MANY CONSTITUENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, LANDLORDS, REALTORS, RIGHT? PEOPLE IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY IN THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE HAD CONCERNS WITH THE EXISTING RENTAL REGISTRY AND WANTED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO IT. SO THEY APPROACHED THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. WHAT WHERE I WENT AND SAID, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AT. I'M GLAD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET OURS TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL AMICABLY AGREE THAT IT'S STILL ACCOMPLISHES THE GOAL OF DOING WHAT WE NEED IT TO DO, WHICH IS TO BE A REPOSITORY OF INFORMATION TO MAKE CODES AND REGULATIONS MORE EFFICIENT AT THEIR ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB RIGHT. ULTIMATELY, THAT IS THE GOAL OF THE RENTAL REGISTRY THAT CODES AND REGULATIONS HAS A CENTRALIZED PLACE THEY CAN GO TO AND GET BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT RENTAL PROPERTIES. AND THEN FROM THERE DO THEIR JOB. SO THEY'RE YOU KNOW, I SAID, LOOK, LET ME PURSUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AMENDED ORDINANCES THAT THEN WE CAN VOTE ON IT IF THE COUNCIL VOTES ON THEM. IT IS MY HOPE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD ON HOUSE BILL 173. WE WILL STILL MAINTAIN WHAT WILL BE ULTIMATELY THIS AMENDED VERSION OF THE CURRENT RENTAL REGISTRY, OR WILL DEBATE THE LEAD REGISTRY HERE SEPARATELY IN A MOMENT. SO THE TWO SEPARATE THINGS AND THEN HOPEFULLY IT WILL NOT IMPACT THE RENT, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL REGISTRY AT ALL. SO I WILL SUMMARIZE QUICKLY. SO THAT'S THE GENERAL BACKGROUND FOR BOTH THE RENTAL REGISTRY AND THE LEAD REGISTRY, WHICH WE'LL DEBATE IN A SECOND. AS FAR AS THIS SPECIFICALLY, I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE MAJOR CHANGES. AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND, MADAM CHAIR, I'LL PASS IT TO ALICE LYONS. SHE CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS ON ANYTHING I MIGHT HAVE MISSED, BECAUSE I PROBABLY MISSED SOMETHING WHEN I SUMMARIZE THIS. AND THEN BASED ON THAT, GLAD TO HAVE ANY CONVERSATION AND CLARITY AND CLARIFY WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS, RIGHT? THE BIGGEST CHANGES HERE. NUMBER ONE, TO BE SUPER CLEAR, IT DOES [01:00:05] ELIMINATE THE RANDOM INSPECTIONS THAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAD. OKAY. IT ALSO THE OTHER MAJOR CONCERN FROM THIS FROM THE REAL ESTATE AND THE LANDLORD COMMUNITY WAS THE DISCLOSURE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION, PARTICULARLY PERSONAL. THE PERSONAL ADDRESSES OF OWNERS ON THE PUBLIC PUBLICLY AVAILABLE REGISTRY. SO FOR TO ADDRESS THAT PORTION OF IT, WE STILL REQUIRE THAT THE OWNER'S INFORMATION BE REGISTERED, BUT THEIR PERSONAL ADDRESS IS NOT DISCLOSED IN THE PUBLIC REGISTRY. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW THE ORIGINAL REGISTRY WORKED AS WELL. SO CODES AND REGS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION. BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE OWNERSHIP INFORMATION. THE PUBLIC WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO A CONTACT PHONE NUMBER. AND THEN ANY MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION OR WHOMEVER IS LIKE THE BUSINESS OFFICE WHO MANAGES THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN QUESTION. WE DID. REMOVE EXEMPTIONS FOR ANY GOVERNMENT HOUSING EXCEPT WHERE THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT IN FEDERAL OR STATE LAW. WE DID WE DID ADD AND THIS HAS A PLAY WITH THE LEAD REGISTRY, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND. WE ADDED THAT THEY HAVE TO ADD THE DATE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT. OKAY. WE REMOVED THERE WAS A SWORN AFFIDAVIT REQUIRED THAT WAS MORE APPLICABLE TO THE WAY THE CURRENT REGISTRY IS DRAFTED, WITH THE RANDOM INSPECTIONS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO WE ELIMINATED THAT SECTION. WE ADDED AGAIN, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THIS WILL MAKE MORE SENSE IN A MOMENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LEAD REGISTRY. WE ADDED A SECTION WHERE PUBLICLY IN THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION WILL BE ANY INFORMATION. IF THE PROPERTY HAS HAD A CONFIRMED CASE OF LEAD EXPOSURE. OKAY. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC REGISTRY. WHICH AGAIN, I CAN IT'LL BE EASIER FOR ME TO DESCRIBE ONCE WE DEBATE THE LEAD REGISTRY. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC REGISTRY NOW. WE I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE ELIMINATED THE FEES. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE RENTAL REGISTRY. SO AGAIN, THE OVERALL GOAL HERE IS TO MAINTAIN A REGISTRY. NUMBER ONE, TO GIVE US A TOOL THAT WE CAN STILL USE TO ACCOMPLISH LARGELY THE GOALS THAT WE NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH IN OUR EFFORT TO WORK WITH LANDLORDS. I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK THE MESSAGE HERE THAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM MANY LANDLORDS, AND TO BE CLEAR, I ONLY SPOKE TO LOCAL LANDLORDS, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN LOUISVILLE OWN PROPERTY IN LOUISVILLE. MANY OF THEM OWN TWO, SIX, TEN PROPERTIES. RIGHT? I DID NOT SPEAK TO HEDGE FUNDS OR OUT OF STATE INVESTORS THAT, YOU KNOW, OWN PROPERTY AND ARE JUST TRYING TO SQUEEZE MONEY OUT OF THE CITY. I SPOKE TO LOCAL PEOPLE ONLY, AND WHAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE GOAL BUT IS ALSO BUSINESS FRIENDLY, PARTICULAR TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOCAL OWNERS. SO WE INCENTIVIZE MORE PEOPLE TO OWN LOCALLY. GLAD TO PASS IT OFF TO ALICE AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU LET ME JUST HAVE ALICE. YEAH. AND THEN. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER, YOUR SUMMARY HIT ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT I HAD HIGHLIGHTED. SO I THERE'S NOTHING NEW FOR ME TO ADD. YES. THANK YOU. I. COUNCILMAN KRAMER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WOULD, I GUESS, ECHO IN SOME WAYS AND ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR ANALYSIS, I GUESS, TO A COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI HAD OFFERED. I HAD I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY A LITTLE WHILE AGO TO TALK WITH THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS SOME, SOME REAL ESTATE FOLKS IN TOWN ABOUT WHAT THE RENTAL REGISTRY WAS DOING TO THEM. WE WERE CONSIDERING LOOKING AT THE RENTAL REGISTRY TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO SMOOTH OUT SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. PRECISELY THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCILMAN ARGENTINI MENTIONED. RIGHT. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO THAT. IT WAS AFTER THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE DISCOVERED THAT FOLKS WERE IN FRANKFURT TRYING TO GET RID OF REGISTRIES ALTOGETHER. WE SAID THEN THAT OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO TAKE CARE OF IT HERE IN LOUISVILLE AND NOT HAVE THE STATE STEP IN. LIKE COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI, I'VE [01:05:05] HAD CONVERSATIONS AND I'VE I AM HOPEFUL THAT OUR TAKING THESE STEPS WILL WILL PREVENT ANYTHING FURTHER FROM FRANKFORT. I WILL POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A YES VOTE ON THIS OFFERS US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY TO THE FOLKS IN FRANKFORT, LET US TAKE CARE OF THIS LOCALLY. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT. I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SHOT. WE WILL HAVE. BUT THE END RESULT IS A YES VOTE ON THIS OFFERS US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO FRANKFORT AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THIS. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON 173 ANYWAY. THERE'S A CHANCE BUT A NO ON THIS ALMOST ASSURES THAT THERE WILL BE A HARD PUSH IN FRANKFORT FOR 173, AND IT WILL PUT SOME OF US ON THE METRO COUNCIL IN A MUCH MORE AWKWARD POSITION. SOME OF US FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE OF THE RENTAL REGISTRY. AGAIN, THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI RAISES. SO OUR HOPE IS WE CAN GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF, AND WE CAN REACH OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN FRANKFORT AND SAY, HEY, WE TOOK CARE OF THIS LOCALLY, SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN COUNT ON SUPPORT FROM AS MANY OF YOU AS AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. ANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES, I SHOULD SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KRAMER. SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, FIRST OF ALL, WE I THINK REPRESENTATIVE DODSON, WHO IS THE SPONSOR OF HOUSE BILL 173, WAS QUOTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO MOVE IT FORWARD QUICKLY, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO MOVE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE TODAY AND MOVE IT OUT OF COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY AND THE FORM THAT THEY BELIEVE IS REASONABLE. THEY ARE COMMITTED TO DEFERRING TO US. AND I WILL SAY THAT I KNOW SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT A FAN OF THE STATE FORCING OUR HANDS ON WITH WITH THINGS LIKE PREEMPTION. OKAY. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER IN AT LEAST THE SEVEN SHORT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL, THAT THE STATE HAS STARTED DOWN THE ROAD OF PREEMPTION ON SOMETHING AND THEN STOPPED AND SAID, WELL, WAIT A SECOND. IF WE IF YOU GUYS TRY TO DO SOMETHING, THEN MAYBE WE'LL BACK OFF. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DO HONESTLY APPRECIATE THAT THE STATE IS GIVING US THAT OPTION, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT ALWAYS BEEN AN OPTION IN THE PAST. BUT I DID WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE COMMITMENT HAS BEEN MADE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP. AGAIN, REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT US DECIDING TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THE STATE WAS OFFERING A PREEMPTION. WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS ALREADY. OUR OUR FOCUS ON THIS DOES OFFER A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THE STATE WILL NOT PREEMPT US ON THIS. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, DOCTOR MCCRANEY, I HAVE YOU AFTER COUNCILWOMAN PEREZ. RIGHT, BUT BEFORE COUNCILWOMAN PEREZ. RIGHT. I HAVE COUNCILWOMAN HOPKINS. OKAY. I'LL HAVE TO EXIT THE MEETING. I'M SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO GET IN, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING I HAVE TO ATTEND. THANK YOU, THOUGH, VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. THANKS. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PUCCINI, FOR TAKING THIS. YOU KNOW, FOR TAKING THIS ON. ON ANOTHER NOTE, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AN ORDINANCE TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE OUR ADDRESSES? BECAUSE I NEED IT. BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE MY ADDRESS FROM THE PEOPLE TO. I HAD TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON ONE THING. AND THAT IS, IS IF YOU COULD JUST TOUCH ON THIS FOR ME AND JUST FOR MY CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE WATCHING. SO THAT IS THAT THIS DEFINITELY IS NOT TO HAD ANY ANY SLUMLORDS IN ANY MANNER. THIS IS SOLELY JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A SET OF LENSES ON THIS. I, I SPOKE IN DEPTH WITH RICHARD PRICE, WHO ALSO IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS. HE IS HAS HAS EFFORTLESSLY HAVE WORKED ON THIS AND THIS RENTAL REGISTRY. A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS WAS REALLY AT HIM ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. SO IN DEEP CONVERSATION WITH HIM, HE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, TELL ME THIS WILL BE THE ONLY WAY THAT WE PROBABLY WILL BE ABLE TO [01:10:03] HAVE SOME ADDRESSES OR HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE. SO IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE THIS CLEAR, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A BROADER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION OF NOT HIDING SLUMLORDS, BECAUSE I KNOW RICHARD AND CODES HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY AGAINST THESE SLUMLORDS AND BEEN ATTACKING ANY OF CONCERNS THAT MY OFFICE HAVE BEEN HAVING. JUST HOW THIS DOES THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. THERE WILL STILL BE PLENTY OF INFORMATION ON THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SITE TO INCLUDE. LET ME GIVE YOU I'M JUST GOING TO READ OFF THIS. WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE PUBLIC SITE OKAY. A DESCRIPTION OF THE RENTAL HOUSING UNIT. UNIT BY STREET ADDRESS. REGISTRATION STATUS OF THE PROPERTY PURSUANT TO THE SECTION. AGAIN, NOTICE IF THERE'S ANY LEAD RISK HAZARD ASSESSMENT OR FAILING TO COMPLETE THE LEAD RISK HAZARD CONTROLS. SO AGAIN IF THERE'S BEEN CONFIRMED LEAD CASES THIS WILL NOW BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THAT'S NEW THAT THEY WILL SEE THAT ON THE PUBLIC REGISTRY. THE NAME MAILING AND PHYSICAL ADDRESS TELEPHONE NUMBER, EMAIL ADDRESS OF THE RESPONSIBLE MANAGING OPERATOR. SO WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR RUNNING THAT, THAT PLACE THAT WILL STILL BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON THE ON THE PUBLIC REGISTRY. AND THEN FOR DIRECTOR PRICE, THE ACTUAL REGISTRATION FORM WILL STILL INCLUDE THE OWNER INFORMATION. SO THAT DIRECTOR PRICE'S TEAM, AGAIN PRIVATELY, IF THEY NEED TO GO PAST THE MANAGEMENT TEAM AND GO RIGHT TO THE OWNERS, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND HIS TEAM WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YEAH, THIS DOES NOT REMOVE. AND IT STILL PROVIDES, I BELIEVE, TO BE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR US TO STILL ACHIEVE THE GOAL TO BE TRANSPARENT ON THINGS, INCLUDING A NEW THING, WHICH IS LEAD RISK. BUT IN ADDITION, ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT THE PUBLIC STILL CAN MAKE SURE THEY KNOW RIGHT WHAT'S OUT THERE. THEY CAN ALSO IDENTIFY I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING ELSE IN HERE THAT WAS ALREADY PART OF THE EXISTING ORDINANCE. I MODIFIED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT TO BE IN THE REGISTRY. WE ARE MODIFYING IT TO GIVE PEOPLE IF THEY ARE IGNORANT. WE FOUND A FEW WHAT I'LL CALL MOM AND POPS. VERY SMALL LANDLORDS. THEY HAVE TWO PROPERTIES, THREE PROPERTIES WHO WERE IGNORANT TO THE EVEN THE EXISTENCE OF THE RENTAL REGISTRY. SO IF THERE WAS IGNORANCE, WE GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO REMEDIATE TO GET ON THE REGISTRY IF IT'S DISCOVERED. BUT IF YOU DO NOT GET ON THE REGISTRY, THAT IS GROUNDS ITSELF TO THEN INSPECT THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A TOOL, AND THIS WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN ACTUALLY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE WORST ACTORS IN THIS SPACE ARE THE ONES THAT DON'T DON'T ABIDE BY ANY OF THESE LAWS. RIGHT. THEY DON'T REGISTER. THEY DON'T DO ANY OF THIS. RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I YOU KNOW, I SAID CLEARLY TO THOSE THAT WANTED IT FULL ABOLISHMENT IS THEN I CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE RIGHT NOW. I HAVE NO TOOL. EVERYBODY LOOKS THE SAME OUT THERE. THIS DOES GIVE US A TOOL TO DIFFERENTIATE ON THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE LAW, TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, TRYING TO BE A GOOD PARTNER AND THOSE THAT JUST DON'T, DON'T GIVE A DARN. AND AS CODES AND REGS IDENTIFIES THOSE THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE REGISTRY, THEY WILL THERE'S PENALTIES. THEY CAN GO AFTER THEM. IT'S GROUNDS FOR FULL INSPECTION. RIGHT. I HOPE THAT HELPS HERE. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH RIGHT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANKS FOR THE PATIENCE, AS I'M NOT A VOTING MEMBER ON THIS COMMITTEE ANYMORE. BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MY DISTRICT. AND A LOT OF LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ARE RENTERS. I DON'T HEAR A RENTERS VOICE IN ANY OF WHAT I'M HEARING. AND ANYBODY THAT'S A LANDLORD, THAT'S A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS, WHETHER THEY OWN TWO HOUSES OR 3 OR 20, THAT'S A FOR PROFIT. WE ARE IN PUBLIC ROLES AND OUR ADDRESSES, AS COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS ALLUDED TO, ARE OUT THERE. OUR ADDRESS, OUR NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE. AND IF YOU EVER RENTED, I'VE RENTED AND I'VE RENTED FROM SLUMLORDS, IT IS REALLY HARD. YOU GET THE RUNAROUND WITH MANAGEMENT COMPANIES TO FIND WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY. AND I THINK THAT IT MEANS THAT A PERSON IS BEING RESPONSIBLE TO LET THEIR TENANTS KNOW WHO THEY ARE, HOW THEY CAN REACH THEM. WITH THAT SAID, THIS FEELS LIKE THE LANDLORD COMMUNITY IS A SET OF PEOPLE WHO OPERATE AS A BUSINESS. IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY AS WE SEE THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN ELECTED TO REPRESENT IN A WHOLE IN THAT WAY, MEANING THAT IT FEELS LIKE A TROJAN HORSE, THAT IF WE IF THIS COULD BE REPEALED IN FRANKFORT, THERE'S ALWAYS THIS EVER LOOMING. FRANKFORT MIGHT DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE A JOB AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO PROTECT THE MANY RENTERS THAT WE HAVE IN [01:15:05] JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND THAT IT IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK IN TRYING TO PREEMPT SOME OF THE THINGS. BUT WE HAVE TO STAND ON BUSINESS. WE HAVE TO STAND ON THAT. THIS LEGISLATION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIG NEED OUT THERE. THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TERRIBLE BAD ACTORS. IN THE WEST END ALONE, MORE THAN 60% OF THE PEOPLE THAT OWN HOMES IN THE WEST END DO NOT LIVE IN THE WEST END. SO THERE'S ALREADY A DISCONNECT FROM THE COMMITMENT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO WATER IT DOWN, AND IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO DO FRANKFORT WORK. IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE OKAY WITH WATERING DOWN THIS LEGISLATION BEFORE THEY EVEN FINISH THE MOVES THAT THEY'RE MAKING. I THINK THAT IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO DO THEIR WORK. I THINK YOU ALL I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT'S RENTING THAT IS A PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT MAKES A RENTER FEELS. I'M GLAD THAT SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. THEY SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED ACCESS TO. I THINK MISTER PRICE'S POSITION IS DIFFERENT FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S RENTING FROM LANDLORDS, AND THEY CAN'T GET IN CONTACT WITH THEM. WHERE IS THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY RENT IN OUR CITY, WHICH IS A GROWING NUMBER, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR HOUSING CRISIS. WHERE IS THAT VOICE THAT I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT'S ABOUT THEM, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE HAVING MY NUMBER AND ADDRESS BECAUSE I SIGNED UP FOR THIS ROLE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN A BUSINESS AND ALL THE BUSINESSES HAVE CONTACT OWNERS, IF YOU GO TO A BUSINESS, THERE'S AN IDENTIFIER NUMBER, THERE'S AN ADDRESS. YOU CAN LOCATE WHO THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE. WHY WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HOUSING? THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PEREZ. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HOWEVER, IT'S THIS OR POSSIBLY NOTHING. SO IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE LOCAL AUTONOMY AND THEY PROPOSE OR MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR LEGISLATION IN FRANKFORT, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO IT'S THIS OR NOTHING. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. TRUST ME. I WISH IT COULD BE DIFFERENT. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILWOMAN. FIRST OF ALL, THIS THE CURRENT RENTAL REGISTRY THAT DID NOT PASS UNANIMOUSLY THE LEAD REGISTRY DID. I THINK THERE WERE FOUR VOTES AGAINST. AND EVEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR, AND I THINK I WAS ONE OF THEM, DID SO BECAUSE WE HAD NEGOTIATED A BUNCH OF THINGS TO CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE, EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T AGREE WITH OTHER PARTS OF IT, APPRECIATIVE THAT THE SPONSOR OF THAT ORDINANCE TOOK SOME OF THOSE AMENDMENTS. SO I FELT OBLIGATED TO VOTE. YES, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I DON'T AGREE WITH MANY OF THE CHANGES I'M MAKING, RIGHT? IF NOT ALL OF THEM. I WOULDN'T PUT MY NAME ON IT IF I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THESE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I GET THAT THE PUSH PULL OF IT. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THE PUSH PULL OF ALL THESE VOICES. AND I GET THAT. AND I DON'T I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING, THOU. I'M NOT SURE. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER BUSINS TYPE WHERE WE REQUIRE THE ACTUAL OWNERS ADDRESS TO BE PUBLISHED. LIKE IF I'M THINKING OF LIKE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ON SHELBYVILLE ROAD IN MIDDLETOWN, RIGHT? LIKE, THEY MOST OF THEM CREATE BUSINESSES SUCH AS LLCS. THOSE LLCS HAVE A REGISTERED AGENT, AND THAT'S USUALLY A LAW OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'LL POST. BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF IN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER PRIVATE BUSINESS INDUSTRY WHERE THE OWNERS PRIVATE HOME ADDRESS IS REQUIRED TO BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, IN MANY CASES, PRIVATELY MAYBE, BUT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE THAT THAT'S QUITE RARE. SO ANYWAY, JUST THAT THAT ONE PART. WITH THAT SAID, I DO WANT TO KEEP CLARIFYING THAT CODES AND REGS WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION. COUNCILMAN LINIGER. YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE ELIMINATION OF THE RENTER TENURE AREAS ON THE LOSS OF THE RANDOM INSPECTIONS OF THOSE AREAS IS A HUGE AND DISPROPORTIONATE EFFECT ON SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS. THIS DOESN'T AFFECT EVERYONE EQUALLY. IT'S A BIG EFFECT ON MY DISTRICT. I KNOW IT'S A BIG EFFECT ON COUNCILMAN PARRISH RIGHTS. I'M SURE IT'S A BIG EFFECT ON YOUR YOUR DISTRICT, MADAM CHAIR. AND IT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT. AND I KNOW THAT YOU FEEL THAT IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MOVE ON THE LEGISLATION. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN SECTION THREE, PART THREE, THE ELIMINATION OF THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT. WE REFER TO THAT AS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF VESTIGIAL WITH THE CHANGES. THE STRUCK LANGUAGE SAYS THE REGISTRATION FORM SHALL INCLUDE A SWORN AFFIDAVIT BY THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT TO THE BEST [01:20:02] OF THE OWNER'S KNOWLEDGE, ALL RENTAL UNITS WITHIN THE REGISTERED RENTAL HOUSING UNIT OR REGISTERED MULTI UNIT RENTAL HOUSING UNIT FACILITY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF METRO'S PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE ELIMINATING A SWORN AFFIDAVIT THAT WHEN YOU REGISTER YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOOD. WE ARE. WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. I THINK IT'S THE IT'S THE REQUIRE. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO REQUIRE THE LANDLORD TO STATE THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY REGISTER. I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION. I DON'T VIEW THAT AS VESTIGIAL. AND THEN IN THE SAME SECTION THREE, NUMBER FIVE C, THERE IS A STRIKE OF THE RETALIATORY PROTECTIONS FOR TENANTS BY LANDLORDS WHEN THEY HAVE COMPLAINED TO A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY CHARGED WITH RESPONSIBILITY OF ENFORCEMENT OF BUILDING OR HOUSING CODE VIOLATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE PREMISES, MATERIALLY AFFECTING HEALTH AND SAFETY. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH, RIGHT, SAYS THAT SHE DOESN'T HEAR THE VOICE OF THE TENANT IN THIS LEGISLATION. I THINK THAT THAT'S THE BIGGEST PLACE WHERE I SEE A LOSS OF THE VOICE OF THE TENANT TENANTS ARE ALREADY IN AN EXTREMELY PRECARIOUS POSITION WHEN THEY CHALLENGE LANDLORDS, PARTICULARLY ONCE IT'S GOING TO AN ACTION THAT MIGHT TAKE THEM TO COURT. THERE'S A THERE IS, BY DEFINITION, DISPARATE FINANCIAL POWER BETWEEN A LANDLORD AND A TENANT. AND REMOVING THESE PROTECTIONS IS A LITTLE DISTURBING TO ME FROM THE FROM THE CODE. SO I AM I AM SKEPTICAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS LIKELY TO PASS REGARDLESS OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT I AM A PRINCIPLE. NO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY. YEAH, SO THANK YOU. ONE. I CAN CLARIFY THE OTHER, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I MIGHT ASK ALICE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT BECAUSE I MIGHT EVEN NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE IT REFERENCES SOME STATE CODE AND I PROBABLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING IT RIGHT. AS FAR AS THE. I CAN'T I CAN'T EVEN GET THE NUMBERING RIGHT. BUT THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT SECTION, OKAY, THE REASON WAS AT LEAST PHILOSOPHICALLY, IT HAD NO IMPACT ON ANYTHING. IT WASN'T AS THOUGH THERE WAS A PENALTY IF YOU OR THERE WAS THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT DID. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT. IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE. YOU GO THROUGH THE COST OF CREATING IT, YOU GET IT SWORN, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOTARIZED, RIGHT. AND YOU HAND IT IN FOR THAT ADMINISTRATIVE WORK. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO FEEDBACK. LIKE IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE'S LIKE, OH, YOU FILLED OUT THIS AFFIDAVIT. LIKE IF A, IF A VIOLATION IS FOUND AFTER YOU'VE REGISTERED, IT'S NOT AS THOUGH FILLING OUT THE AFFIDAVIT OR NOT FILLING OUT THE CHANGE, THE FACT THAT YOU VIOLATED THE CODE, YOU STILL VIOLATED THE CODE. SO THERE WAS NO THAT ITSELF DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING AS FAR AS HOW WE ENFORCE THE CODE OR WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE. RIGHT? IT WAS THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. SO IT WAS JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT LIKE ADMINISTRATIVELY WAS AN EXTRA ACTION THAT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING OR MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. SO IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO MATTER ANYTHING WHETHER WE HAD THAT OR NOT, WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE REGISTRY OR NOT, IF YOU BREAK THE CODE, YOU YOU ARE PUNISHED BECAUSE YOU'RE BREAKING THE CODE TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ONE. ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ALICE, I MIGHT ADD, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TOO MUCH HERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S SECTION C5CI KNOW THAT'S UNDER THAT'S PART AND PARCEL OF THE, THE 10%. WELL IT'S, IT'S AT LEAST IT'S UNDER THE 10%. RANDOM INSPECTION SECTION. BUT THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE SECTION. THE SECTION FIVE STARTS WITH FAILURE TO REGISTER. THE HOUSING UNIT CALLS THE DEPARTMENT OF CODES AND REGS TO SEND NOTICE. RIGHT. AND THEN THE INSPECTORS SHALL BE ADDITIONAL INSPECTORS DEPARTMENTS AUTHORIZED TO MAKE. SO THEN THEY CAN GO AND INSPECT THE PROPERTY ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT'S WHAT FIVE DOES. BUT MY QUESTION ON FIVE C IS IT REFERENCES I MEAN STATE STATUTE 33 705. AND THEN SUB TWO A TENANT MAY MAINTAIN AN ACTION FOR RETALIATORY CONDUCT BY A LANDLORD WHERE THEY'VE COMPLAINED OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY. WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF IF WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN. WHAT'S THE IMPACT? I'VE DONE JUST A LITTLE RESEARCH IN CRS AS WE WERE SPEAKING. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT IN THE INITIAL DRAFT THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED THAT WAS STRICKEN. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE DIDN'T MAKE THE POLICY DECISION TO STRIKE IT. OKAY. IN CRS, IN THE UNIFORM [01:25:06] LANDLORD TENANT SECTIONS THAT APPLY HERE IN LOUISVILLE, THERE'S THIS THIS SECTION THAT GETS REFERENCED HERE. 383.705 BEGINS WITH ITS TITLE OF RETALIATORY CONDUCT. IT MAKES A BIT IF A LANDLORD RETALIATES BY INCREASING RENT OR DECREASING SERVICES. WHEN A TENANT HAS COMPLAINED TO A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY CHARGED WITH RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THE BUILDING OR HOUSING CODE OF A VIOLATION APPLICABLE TO THE PREMISES MATERIALLY AFFECTING HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO IT'S A PROHIBITION ON LANDLORDS RETALIATING. AND THEN LATER IN THAT SECTION, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THAT. THE REMEDIES ARE UNDER SECTION 383655. AND THAT'S A SECTION THAT SAYS IF A LANDLORD UNLAWFULLY REMOVES OR EXCLUDES A TENANT FROM THE PREMISES OR INTERRUPTS, CAUSES AN INTERRUPTION OF HEAT, ESSENTIAL SERVICES TENANT MAY RECOVER POSSESSION AND TERMINATE A RENTAL AGREEMENT AND IN ANY CASE RECOVER ANY AMOUNT NOT MORE THAN THREE MONTHS PERIODIC RENT OKAY. SO IT'S STATE LAW. IT'S NOT AS SUCCINCT AS WHAT'S HERE. IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME. WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE THERE PARALLEL SECTIONS. BUT BUT THE POINT IS BUT BY READOPTING THAT LET'S JUST SAY FOR A SECOND THAT I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS SECTION, OKAY. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. IT'S LITERALLY QUOTING STATE LAW. AND AS YOU WERE READING 705, IT READ ALMOST VERBATIM AS TO WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE. IT I WANT TO SAY YES, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DID THE READING HERE IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES ON THAT SECTION, BUT IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE MUCH OF IT QUOTES A STATE LAW. AND THE TWO SECTIONS THAT IT QUOTES APPEAR TO WORK TOGETHER. OKAY, LET ME DO THIS BECAUSE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LEAD REGISTRY, ONE OF THE THINGS I ATTEMPTED TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS MAKE SURE WE WERE MIRRORING STATE LAW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IT LOOKS LIKE I MISTAKENLY IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS TAKING OUT THE 10% OF THE RANDOM INSPECTIONS, AND THIS GOT CAUGHT UP IN THAT. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? I'LL I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS, THIS SECTION BACK IN, AND THEN WE'LL JUST DOUBLE CHECK BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT THURSDAY THAT THIS IS ALL ALIGNED WITH STATE LAW. AND ASSUMING IT IS, GOD FORBID, WE MAY HAVE A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT TO CLEAN IT UP. BUT IF THERE'S RETALIATORY LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS IN STATE LAW, I HAVE ZERO ISSUE WITH US ALIGNING WITH IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO IT'LL ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE FIVE SUB IF I'M READING THIS. RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. SO ESSENTIALLY FIVE WILL NOW HAVE A SUB A AND THEN THIS CHAPTER WILL BE SUB B AND IT WILL READ VERBATIM AS THE ORIGINAL THING. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THAT PARAGRAPH. SECOND. YEAH. PLEASE I THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, AYE THOSE OPPOSED THE EYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. YEAH. YEAH. COUNCILMAN JJ. COUNCILMAN JJ HEY, REAL QUICK, JUST A COUPLE POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. FIRST AND FOREMOST, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WORK, AND I'M HONORED TO HELP IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN WITH THIS. WHEN IT COMES TO THE PHONE NUMBER. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES. AND IF WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THAT PROVIDES OUR OUR INFORMATION OUT THERE, THEN THAT BECOMES ALMOST OF, WELL, WHAT IS THE LINE? BECAUSE IF A METRO COUNCILMAN IS SUPPOSED TO PUT THEIR NUMBER OUT THERE LEGALLY, THEN SHOULD THE MAYOR HAVE TO OR SHOULD THE GOVERNOR HAVE TO? AND SO IF YOU DO IT FOR ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHAT IS THE STOPPAGE OF DOING IT FOR OTHERS? AND THEN THE SAME COMES IN THIS AREA TOO. I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IDEA OF HAVING THEIR PUBLIC INFORMATION OUT. THAT WAS A BIG COMPLAINT, AND I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE SIGHT TO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS REGISTRY OF WHO THE BIGGEST LANDLORD IN THE CITY IS, AND THAT'S THE CITY ITSELF. AND SO THE CITY HASN'T HAD TO HOLD TO A STANDARD THAT WE HAVE HAD. THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO HOLD TO OFTEN. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT'S FOOD FOR THOUGHT TO THAT WE GOT OUR CITY HAS TO BE AS ACCOUNTABLE AS WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THESE INDIVIDUAL LANDLORDS. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE IF [01:30:17] THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIR BY I-PAD BATTERY DIED. SO I HAD TO SWITCH TO MY PHONE. SO I'M NO LONGER ABLE TO USE FROM GOV. COULD YOU CALL THE RECORD REFLECT? MY VOTE IS A YES PLEASE? YES. CLERK. SO THOSE. APPEAR. YES OKAY SO. WE ARE POSSIBLE FOR THE SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WELL. CHAIR YOU HAVE SIX. YES AND ONE NO VOTE. SIX. YES AND ONE NO. SO THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS. THANK YOU. OUR [3. O-056-25     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 156 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) REGARDING THE LEAD-BASED HAZARDS AND REPEALING LMCO CHAPTER 167. Action Required By: August 13, 2025 Sponsors: Anthony Piagentini (R-19) ] NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THE FINAL ONE FOR THE EVENING IS O-056-25. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 156 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING THE LEAD BASED HAZARDS AND REPEALING MCO. CHAPTER 167. CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION. THANK YOU. WHO IS SPEAKING? ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS, COUNCILMAN? YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, ONCE AGAIN. AND YOU KNOW THE BACKGROUND ON THIS. SO I'M GOING TO SORT OF JUMP RIGHT INTO THIS BY FIRST AGAIN THANKING. SO FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO ALICE LYONS FOR HELPING OUT WITH THE RENT REGISTRY. ROBBIE HOWARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR WORK TO GET US HERE. YOU KNOW, WORK THAT WAS GOING ON RIGHT TILL THIS MORNING. AS A RESULT, ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. IT'S LOADED IN THE SYSTEM. IT SHOWS UP AS PROPOSED. CABS 021825. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS SO WE CAN DEBATE IT. MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. YOU CAN PROCEED. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO AGAIN I'LL START AT THE BROADEST BRUSHSTROKES OF WHAT THIS DOES. AND THEN I'LL PASS IT OFF BACK TO ROBBIE, SEE IF I MISSED ANYTHING. AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. SO THE ORIGINAL LEAD REGISTRY. AND LET ME, LET ME ALSO SAY THIS ONE WAS A BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE THIS PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MOSTLY LED AT THE TIME BY NOW, STATE SENATOR CASSIE CHAMBERS ARMSTRONG. I HAVE SPOKEN TO HER THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND I APPRECIATE HER FEEDBACK AND INPUT RELATED TO THE WORK SHE DID. SPOKE TO NICOLE GEORGE AND THROUGH HER, THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE GETTING INTEL AND INFORMATION THERE. THE GOAL WAS TO REALLY THIS WAS EVEN MORE THAN, FRANKLY, THE RENTAL REGISTRY, THE OBJECTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAINED AS MUCH POWER AS POSSIBLE TO REMEDIATE LEAD HAZARDS IN RENTAL PROPERTIES. PERIOD. THAT WAS THE GOAL. OKAY. WHAT I WOULD SAY THIS DOES, FROM A PHILOSOPHICAL POINT OF VIEW VERSUS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. AND AGAIN, I'M USING BROAD BRUSHSTROKES HERE. TOOK EVERY PROPERTY THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE 1978. IT'S TOUGH TO NAIL DOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY THERE ARE. LET'S CALL IT 50 TO 60,000 PROPERTIES. OKAY. THAT ARE BUILT BEFORE 1978 THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL AND LEASED IN SOME WAY IN THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE. THEY WOULD ALL BE ENTERED INTO THE REGISTRY. THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RISK ASSESSMENT. AND THEN ALL DEPENDING ON THAT RISK ASSESSMENT, POTENTIAL REMEDIATION, OR AT LEAST THE ONES THAT HAD IDENTIFIED LEAD RISK AND THEN ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THREE YEAR REASSESSMENTS. OKAY. IN GETTING [01:35:06] NUMBERS FROM PUBLIC HEALTH AND GETTING THERE. I MEAN, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO A UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE STUDY TRACKING LEAD EXPOSURE IN CHILDREN IN THE CITY. THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE MUCH SMALLER THAN 60, 70,000 OR 50 TO 60,000. WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT 1% OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTIES ARE THE PROBLEM. RIGHT? SO AS OPPOSED TO SAYING EVERYBODY IS THE PROBLEM AND NOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE MESS AND FIND WHERE THE ISSUES ARE, WE ARE GOING TO SAY THERE'S ONE OF TWO WAYS IN WHICH WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY PROBLEMS AND THEN FORCE REMEDIATION AND THEN REQUIRE REMEDIATION. ONE IS THE UNFORTUNATE SCENARIO WHERE WE DO GET SOME A CHILD WITH A ELEVATED BLOOD LEAD LEVEL, OKAY, AS IT'S REFERRED TO IN THE LEGISLATION, THAT CAN BE ANY ELEVATION WHATSOEVER. IT DOES NOT MEAN TOXIC. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE HEARING BACK FROM PUBLIC HEALTH ARE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OF TOXIC LEVELS THAT WE GET PER YEAR ARE RELATIVELY LOW, BUT WE DO GET A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER OF JUST ANY LEAD LEVELS REPORTED FROM ANY CHILD. ANY OF THAT BY ITSELF IS GROUNDS FOR INVESTIGATION. WE THEN FIND OUT WHERE THAT CHILD LIVES. THAT INCLUDES MULTIPLE HOUSEHOLDS. SO IF THEY SPLIT TIME BETWEEN TWO PARENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ANY RESIDENTS THEY STAY AT FOR MORE THAN 20% OF THEIR TIME IS PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION. WE REQUIRE A LEAD HAZARD ASSESSMENT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND BASED ON THE LEAD HAZARD ASSESSMENT, THEN IF WE FIND CONFIRMED LEAD REMEDIATION IS REQUIRED, OKAY, THE OTHER WAY, WHICH IS WHAT I'LL CALL THE MORE PROACTIVE YET TARGETED WAY, IS THAT CODES AND REGULATIONS AND REALLY PUBLIC HEALTH TO SOME DEGREE AS WELL. BUT CODES AND REGULATIONS, THERE ARE RAPID TESTING KITS AND OTHER WAYS TO IDENTIFY PROBABLE CAUSE OF A POTENTIAL LEAD RISK. OKAY. THAT BY ITSELF DOES NOT REQUIRE REMEDIATION BUT CAN TRIGGER THE LEAD HAZARD ASSESSMENT. SO MAYBE A RAPID TESTING KIT FOR EXAMPLE, OR SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW I SEE VISUAL WHILE CODES AND REGS IS AN APARTMENT FOR ANOTHER REASON. IF THEY CAN VISUALLY IDENTIFY WELL THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE POTENTIAL DEGRADING LEAD PAINT THAT CAN TRIGGER A LEAD RISK HAZARD ASSESSMENT. IF BASED ON THAT ASSESSMENT, WE CONFIRM THERE'S LEAD REMEDIATION MUST MUST THEN OCCUR OKAY. SO IT PROTECTS ALL OF THAT AND KEEPS ALL THOSE TOOLS IN OUR TOOL CHEST. BUT AGAIN IF AND I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS AND I KNOW IT'S 90 PLUS PERCENT WHETHER IT'S 99, 98, 97% OF THE PROPERTIES OUT THERE BUILT BEFORE 1978, WHO AT THIS POINT HAVE HAD PROBABLY MULTIPLE COATS OF PAINT, YOU KNOW, MANY GOOD LANDLORDS WHO HAVE REMEDIATED THE PROPERTY. IF NOBODY'S GETTING SICK AND THERE'S NO VISUAL SIGNS THAT THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WHERE THIS TIES INTO WHY WE SORT OF HAD TO DO THIS SIMULTANEOUS TO EACH OTHER, THERE ACTUALLY ISN'T WHAT THIS REALLY DOES IS IT REPEALS THE ORIGINAL LAW AND REBUILDS IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A SEPARATE LEAD REGISTRY ANYMORE. WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THE RENTAL REGISTRY AND SAID, THINK OF IT AS A NAUGHTY LIST. IF YOU GET IF YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED LEAD IN YOUR RENTAL PROPERTY, THEN THERE IS NOW A PUBLIC INDICATION ON THE RENTAL REGISTRY THAT YOU'RE NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE LEAD ORDINANCE. AND SO THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION. IF SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO RENT FROM THEM, IT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. THEY CAN SEE THAT OKAY. AND THEN I THINK. ROBBIE, AM I MISSING ANY OF THE MAJOR POINTS TO THIS? IS THIS ON? I'M SORRY. YES IT IS. ROBBIE HOWARD, JEFFERSON COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF THAT MIGHT BE OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE. THAT THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED IS THE ABILITY OF RENTERS TO ASK FOR AN APPOINTMENT, TO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. SO THAT WAS THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL AVENUE FOR INSPECTIONS. THANK YOU. IT'S ALWAYS I THINK, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THIS. ANALYSIS OF THE AREAS. THAT THAT. YES. RIGHT, [01:40:04] RIGHT. THAT THAT. YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SORRY TECHNICAL BEHIND THE SCENES THING. OKAY. SO AGAIN I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE AND SAY I THINK WHAT WE HAVE PRESERVED. OH AND THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS ALL OF THE PENALTIES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. WE DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING RELATED TO THE REQUIREMENTS OR REMEDIATION PENALTIES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE. ALL OF THAT IS PRECISELY THE SAME FROM THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. I THINK WHAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOUR LAW ABIDING LANDLORDS APPRECIATE IS IF THEY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, IF THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING, THEY THEY WON'T SEE ANY INCREASED ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OR PROBLEMS. IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT COMPLYING AND NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING. THEY WILL STILL SEE MUCH MORE WORK TO BE DONE AND REMEDIATION WILL BE REQUIRED. FINAL THING IS I DID REACH OUT TO I THINK IT WAS PLANNING AND DESIGN. THERE WAS AN ISSUE THERE. THERE IS SOME MONEY STILL SET ASIDE TO ASSIST WITH REMEDIATION FROM THESE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S NOT UBIQUITOUS, IT'S NOT 100%. BUT THERE IS STILL OPPORTUNITIES TO REQUEST GRANT FUNDING TO REMEDIATE PROPERTIES. AND WE DO ENCOURAGE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO THAT PROACTIVELY AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THIS HAPPENS AS WELL. THANK YOU, AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THIS IS THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT THE STATE WAS GOING TO MAKE A PREEMPTIVE LAW. AND SO IF WE DON'T DO THIS AT THIS LEVEL, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT IS AFFECTED BY LEAD ARE POOR PEOPLE IN DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I HOPE THAT THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES ON THIS. COUNCILWOMAN WHITE, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR ENTERTAINING ME TO SPEAK TO THIS. I CANNOT WITH GOOD CONSCIENCE NOT SPEAK TO THIS AS IT I'VE SEEN THE DIRECT IMPACTS OF LEAD POISONING TODAY. I HAPPEN TO BE ON A PANEL AT THE ELMER LUCILLE CONFERENCE, AND IT DEALT WITH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. BUT THERE WAS A YOUTH RESEARCH COHORT THAT ASKED QUESTIONS AND TALKED. AND THEY'VE DONE THIS RESEARCH THIS YEAR, THIS PAST YEAR, AND THEY'RE CONTINUING THEIR EFFORTS. AND I'M LISTENING TO THESE YOUTH. I DON'T HEAR THE CHILDREN AGAIN, REPRESENTED IN THIS, BECAUSE THIS HAS ONGOING EFFECTS FOR PEOPLE. SO THERE WAS A COURIER, JOURNAL, EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION INTO LOUISVILLE'S CHILDHOOD LEAD EXPOSURE CRISIS. AND IT SAYS CHILDREN IN NORTHWEST JEFFERSON COUNTY AND DOWNTOWN FACE NEARLY TEN TIMES THE RISK OF LEAD EXPOSURE COMPARED TO THOSE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, ALSO INCLUDING CHILDREN AND PEOPLE, BECAUSE ADULTS GET IT, TOO, WHO LIVE AROUND THE AIRPORT AS THEIR TOP SOIL, AS WELL AS THE LEAD PAINT AS HAS IMPACTS CHILDREN WITH HIGH LEAD BLOOD LEVELS HAVE TROUBLE LEARNING DURING DURING FORMATIVE YEARS. THEY MAY HAVE WEAKER ABILITIES FOR RELATIONSHIPS AS STUDENTS. CHILDREN WITH LEAD POISONING HAVE TROUBLE IN SCHOOL. I TOLD I'VE SHARED THIS BEFORE. MY BROTHER SUFFERED FROM VERY HIGH LEAD POISONING LEVELS, SO I'VE SEEN THE EFFECTS OF THAT. BUT THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CHILDREN HAVE THAT YOU ARE NOT COVERING IN ALL OF THIS. I THINK YOU DO GREAT WORK AND DOING THE BACKGROUND AND THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING TO, BUT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF COMMUNITIES IN OUR DISTRICT THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS THAT I DON'T HEAR IN THIS REASONING. WHY DO WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR CONSISTENTLY HAVE HIGHER LEAD? THESE ARE NOT MY QUESTIONS. THESE ARE THEIR QUESTIONS. WHAT ACTIONS CAN WE, AS A COUNCIL CAN DO? BECAUSE LEAD EXPOSURE IS IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL OVER OUR CITY. WHAT WILL YOU DO OR WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO SUPPORT THOSE ACTIONS AND SOLUTIONS? WE HAVE TO STAY SOLUTIONS BASED. IS IT CORRECT TO SAY ISSUES LIKE LEAD POISONING CAN BE BLAMED FOR LOW STUDENT PERFORMANCE RATES, AS WELL AS HIGH CRIME AND AREAS WITH HIGHER REPORTED BLOOD LEVELS? THIS THIS TALKS ABOUT THE ROOT CAUSES. LEAD POISONING IS ALSO A ROOT CAUSE TO OTHER ISSUES. ARE THERE ANY UPCOMING OR POLICIES OR TECHNOLOGIES THAT COULD REDUCE LEAD CONTAMINATION? NOTHING IN THIS TALKS ABOUT REDUCING IT PREVENTION. IT TALKS ABOUT WAYS TO WATER DOWN THIS LEGISLATION. WHAT MAKES YOU INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING SOLUTIONS FOR LEAD IN OUR COMMUNITIES? WHAT CHALLENGES EXIST IN ENFORCING LEAD REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN OLDER BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURES, THAT MANY OF OUR CHILDREN IN THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTHWEST END AND THE WEST END DEAL WITH? WHAT FUNDING OR RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE FOR FAMILIES DEALING WITH LEAD CONTAMINATION IN THEIR HOMES. YOU DID MENTION THERE IS SOME MONEY FOR REMEDIATION. THERE IS SOME MONEY THAT LOCK UP THE LEAD IS DOING WHERE THEY'RE GOING AROUND, AND THEY HAVE THESE BUCKETS SO PEOPLE CAN START TESTING AND IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TESTING. SOME PEOPLE HAVE LEAD POISONING AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA. SO IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT WHAT ARE THE CURRENT PENALTIES FOR LEAD VIOLATIONS SUFFICIENT TO DETER NEGLIGENCE SHOULD THEY BE STRENGTHENED? THESE ARE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ASKING WHAT WHAT [01:45:05] CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS? THIS ISSUE DIRECTLY IMPACTS THEM. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO WATER DOWN LEGISLATION AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS TO HELP DEAL WITH THIS EVER GROWING ISSUE, WHAT IS THE PLAN HERE? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT YOUNG AND I'M 48, BUT I WANTED TO GET THE YOUNG PEOPLE'S VOICE IN THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE CLOSE IN AGE OF 47. SO THE I CAN'T ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN ANSWER MAYBE TWO OF THEM. I'LL ANSWER HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHY IT DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS THE COMMUNITIES IT DOES. AND THEN HOW TO HOW CAN WE MORE PROACTIVELY ADDRESS IT. AND I WOULD SAY IT'S AN EXECUTION ISSUE MORE THAN A LEGISLATIVE ISSUE. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY IN A SECOND HOW WE GOT HERE. THE GOVERNMENT REQUIRED LEAD BASED PAINT TO BE USED IN THOSE PROPERTIES. PRIOR TO 1978, THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY MANDATED IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM SOME OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WAS LEGITIMATE, YOU KNOW, CONCERN WAS LIKE THE GOVERNMENT TOLD US TO PUT THIS STUFF IN THESE PROPERTIES, AND NOW THE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING US TO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF OUR POCKET, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, TO, TO FIX ALL THIS STUFF. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, YEAH, THAT SUCKS, RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN, I GET THEIR CONCERN, BUT BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IS SO THERE'S TWO ASPECTS TO IT. NUMBER ONE IS THE AGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. SO IT'S THE IT'S THE MORE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS OF LOUISVILLE BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE 1978 THING. SO ANY ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THESE ISSUES. AND THEN BUT IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT THAT REQUIRED IT, WHICH IS WHICH WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT, I MEAN, WAS JUST MIND BLOWN, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IN MY POINT OF VIEW ALWAYS NECESSITATES THE SKEPTICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION ON SOME OF THESE THINGS FROM AN EXECUTION ISSUE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE U OF L REPORT THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORTS LOOKING AT LEAD EXPOSURE IN THE CITY. THERE WAS A PLUMMETING IN TESTING THAT WAS THAT STARTED AROUND 2006, SO PREDATES COVID, PREDATES ALL OF THAT. THE CDC USED TO PUT OUT MORE MONEY RELATED TO TESTING AND I MEAN BLOOD TESTING. SO I DO THINK FROM AN EXECUTION POINT OF VIEW, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DEPUTY MAYOR NICOLE GEORGE ON THIS. FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE NEED TO DO MORE TO PUT RAPID TESTING KITS OUT TO CODES AND REGS, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE MORE TOOLS TO THOSE THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING AS PROACTIVE AS WE CAN FROM AN EXECUTION POINT OF VIEW. ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE HEALTH COMMUNITY. AND SHE'S REACHING OUT TO FAMILY HEALTH CENTERS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT TO SEE HOW WE CAN INCREASE BLOOD LEVEL TESTING, PARTICULARLY IN CHILDREN, TO MORE PROACTIVELY IDENTIFY IT. BUT THERE WAS IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH, THE DROP IN BLOOD LEVEL TESTING, THE FREQUENCY OF IT, IT WAS INCREDIBLE. SO WE NEED TO REALLY STEP UP OUR GAME ON THAT. SO YES, I AGREE FROM AN EXECUTION POINT OF VIEW, THERE'S MORE THAT WE CAN DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CODES AND REGULATIONS. COUNCILMAN. YES. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS CHAMBER LIKES LEGISLATING WITH A GUN TO YOUR HEAD FROM ANOTHER CHAMBER. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE LIKES THAT. AND I'M. AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED THIS. I THINK IT'S TRUE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SPOKEN SO FAR ON BOTH OF THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION. I WANT TO RETURN TO SOMETHING YOU SAID ON THE RENTAL REGISTRY, COUNCILMAN, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR MEMORY THAT A PREEMPTION FIGHT HAD BEEN PAUSED PENDING A DISCUSSION WITH WITH US HERE IN LOUISVILLE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A COINCIDENCE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S DONE OUT OF A SUDDEN TRANSFORMATION OF ANYONE'S HEART IN FRANKFORT. I THINK THAT IF I WERE IN FRANKFORT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO OWN THIS LEGISLATION NECESSARILY. I WOULD CERTAINLY BE SPEAKING TO MY RANK AND FILE MEMBER THAT FILED THIS. IF I WAS IN LEADERSHIP IN FRANKFORT AND SAYING, WHOA THERE, BUDDY, I DON'T THINK I WANT TO CAMPAIGN AS THE PARTY OF LEAD POISONING IN CHILDREN. SO BUT BUT EVEN IF WE TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD THAT THIS IS JUST A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO GET US TO MAKE THESE CHANGES HERE LOCALLY WITHOUT A PREEMPTION FIGHT, I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE FAITH BACK IN FRANKFORT THAT THIS HANDSHAKE IS GOING TO LAST, THAT WE PASS SOMETHING, AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS AND YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU CAN FOR THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP FOR THIS. THE TRUST ISN'T THERE FOR ME. AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH THAT. THE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE MADE CHANGES THAT IF THERE WAS POSSIBLE FOR ME TO, YOU KNOW, CALL FOR A DIVISION OF THE QUESTION, I'D BE MUCH HAPPIER TO VOTE FOR, INCLUDING INCLUDING OUR PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND PUBLIC HOUSING. THOSE SHOULD BE SUBJECT. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES THAT I [01:50:03] YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AT PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS WERE POISED TO TACKLE THIS ISSUE? WE'RE READY. YOU KNOW, IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN IF THIS WAS ON TRACK TO BE IMPLEMENTED, HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE WE GOING TO BE SEEING, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN INSPECTION, THAT WE ARE NOW REDUCED TO JUST THE STAFF OF CODES AND REGULATIONS? THAT'S A HUGE CAPACITY LOSS IN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. AND I HAVE SOME OTHER THOUGHTS THAT I'LL I'LL PROBABLY SHARE LATER. BUT THOSE ARE THE FIRST THINGS THAT POP OUT TO ME. AND, COUNCILMAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. THERE IS A THING CALLED LOBBYING, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS THAT I'M SURE HAS GOTTEN THE ATTENTION OF LEGISLATORS IN FRANKFORT. THEY HAVE CALLED US LOCALLY BECAUSE THIS DOES PUT A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THEM AS WELL TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. LET'S JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING INSTEAD OF NOTHING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. OKAY, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS. THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO TONY CAN. OKAY. OH, I'M SORRY. WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE OUR QUORUM. YEAH. VOTING IS VOTING OPEN? NO. NOT YET. CONNIE'S HERE FROM PUBLIC HEALTH. SHE'S GOING TO ADDRESS A FEW QUESTIONS, AND THEN? AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO VOTING. THANK YOU. HOW MANY OF OUR STAFF HAD ARE READY TO TRANSITION TO THIS? THIS WAS THAT. HOW MANY MEMBERS? EXCUSE ME? HOW MANY MEMBERS OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS WERE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THE LEAD ABATEMENT? 167 APPROXIMATELY 5 TO 7 THE INTENT WAS IS WAS NOT FOR US TO PERFORM THE INSPECTIONS BUT TRAIN THE COMMUNITY AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO THAT TRAINING. SO WE HAD ALREADY BEGUN THAT, I THINK OVER 100 COMMUNITY BUSINESS FOLKS HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO THE LEAD RISK ASSESSOR LEVEL. AND THEN WITH OUR CODES AND REGS TO IDENTIFY LEAD, SO THAT TEAM WILL STILL BE COMMITTED TO THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE. I WILL SAY THAT THE FUNDING FOR THOSE POSITIONS WERE GOING TO BE COVERED THROUGH THE RENTAL REGISTRY. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE HOLDUP. ARE WE READY TO VOTE? YES. MEMBER. COMMITTEE MEMBER. HAWKINS. YES. A COMMITTEE MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. CHAIRPERSON. IF I CAN CHEER YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBER LINDNER. DO YOU KNOW? ALL RIGHT. CHAIR, YOU HAVE FIVE. YES AND ONE. NO. OKAY. THIS GOES TO OLD BUSINESS. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS [Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.] ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. SECOND. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.