[00:00:39] METRO TV 30S, PLEASE. OH, NO. DON'T ANSWER. THAT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 4:09 P.M. [Call to Order] THIS IS A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. I'M YOUR CHAIR, DAN [Roll Call] SEIM, AND I AM JOINED BY MY VICE CHAIR WOMAN, TAMMY HAWKINS, IN ATTENDANCE, WE HAVE COUNCILMAN ANTHONY PIAGENTINI. JENNY WOOLRIDGE, BETSY. REWEY, JONATHAN JJ, JOSEPH, KEN HERNDON. PLEASE NOTE THAT COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN SHAMIKA PEREZ, RIGHT, HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE TODAY. AND DID WE SAY BARBARA? AND WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN BARBARA SHANKLIN. WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT INCLUDE TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION. PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEM NUMBER 30-209-24 AND ITEM NUMBER 40264-24 WILL BE HELD AT THE REQUEST OF THE SPONSORS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. TODAY WE HAVE FORMER COUNCILMAN JAMES PEDEN, WHO IS NOW THE EXECUTIVE [1. ID 25-0040     Jefferson County Fire Chiefs Association Update – James Peden, Jefferson County Fire Chiefs Association] DIRECTOR WITH THE JEFFERSON COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, HERE TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO THE COMMITTEE. PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. PEDEN, STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU. AGAIN, MY NAME IS JAMES PEDEN. I AM A FORMER FIREFIGHTER, 26 YEARS WITH THE HEAVY FIRE DEPARTMENT. I AM A FORMER METRO COUNCILMAN, 20 YEARS HERE. SHE'S MY CHAIR ANYWAY. BUT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE MAP. AND FROM MY TIME HERE, FROM THE TIME I LEFT, THERE ARE 16 BRAND NEW COUNCIL PEOPLE. THERE ARE ONLY TEN PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THIS COUNCIL WHEN I WAS HERE. NOW I KNOW LOTS OF YOU THAT ARE NEW. I'VE KNOWN DAN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I KNEW KEN WHEN HE WORKED FOR THE CITY. AND JUST TO BRAG ABOUT ME BEING OLDER, I. I TAUGHT SCHOOL AND WHILE JENNY WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, SO. YEAH, NOT FERN CREEK HIGH SCHOOL. YAY! BUT I CAME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF IN MY NEW POSITION OR ONGOING POSITION AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. THOSE ARE THE SEVEN REMAINING CHAPTER 75 FIRE DEPARTMENTS. WE HAVE TEN TOTAL IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. YOU HAVE THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, WHICH IS A CHAPTER 95. AND WHEN I SAY CHAPTER, I'M TALKING ABOUT CARS. YOU HAVE CHAD. YOU HAVE SHIVELY, WHICH IS ALSO CHAPTER 95 WITH COLONEL MUCKER RUNNING THAT, AND YOU HAVE THE AIRPORT. THOSE ARE THREE SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS. THE REMAINING BITS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY ARE COVERED BY SEVEN CHAPTER, 75 FIRE DEPARTMENTS, OF WHICH THE I GUESS THE COLLOQUIAL TERM WOULD BE SPECIAL DISTRICT. THEY'VE BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THE 1950S. THEY WERE THERE WERE 21 AS RECENTLY AS THE 90S. AND THEY HAVE SINCE MERGED INTO EACH OTHER DOWN TO THE SEVEN THAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND I'M JUST HERE TO NUMBER ONE. I GAVE BUSINESS CARDS TO SONIA IN CASE ANYONE DIDN'T GET ONE. IF YOU'RE BRAND NEW, I HOPE THAT YOUR PREDECESSOR LEFT THIS ON YOUR BOOKSHELF. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ONE OF THOSE THESE LAST YEAR. WHEN I FIRST TOOK TOOK THIS POSITION, I KIND OF CREATED AN INFORMATIONAL SHEET. IT SHOULD HAVE CHIEFS PHONE NUMBERS AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, SOME OF YOU WHO EVEN HAVE THE OLD ONE IS MUCH LIKE THERE HAS BEEN TURNOVER ON THE METRO COUNCIL. THERE'S BEEN TURNOVER WITHIN THE FIRE SERVICE. MIDDLETOWN HAS A [00:05:05] BRAND NEW CHIEF. JAY TOWN HAS A BRAND NEW CHIEF. FERN CREEK IS GOING TO HAVE A BRAND NEW CHIEF COMING UP SHORTLY. SO EVEN THE TURNOVER THERE IS OCCURRING AND SHOULD PROBABLY UPDATE THE NAMES. THE NUMBERS SHOULD STILL BE THE SAME. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE BRAND NEW OR YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER. LIKE THAT GUY TO CALL US AND ASK QUESTIONS. IF SOMEONE PRESENTS TO YOU OR COMES TO YOU WITH AN ORDINANCE IN MIND THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, AND IT MAY NOT EVEN COME THROUGH THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, IT COULD BE A SMOKE DETECTOR ISSUE WHICH MIGHT COME THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BUDGETARY, BUDGETARY LIKE THAT COMES THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL ME OR CALL YOUR LOCAL CHIEF. MAYBE THE OTHER NUMBER I COULD SHOULD THAT I WANT. I KIND OF SKIPPED OVER 26 COUNCIL PEOPLE. 20 OF YOU, 20 OF YOU ARE TOUCHED BY A CHAPTER 75 DISTRICT. IT MAY ONLY BE A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME OF YOU ARE TOTALLY ENCLOSED BY CHAPTER 75, BUT THERE ARE ONLY SIX COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO ARE TOTALLY WITHIN WHAT I WILL REFER TO AS THE OLD CITY OF LOUISVILLE. EVERY ONE OF THE REST OF YOU HAVE, OF THE 20 OF YOU, HAVE SOME PART OF PRP, OF FAIRDALE, OF OKOLONA, OF FERN CREEK, JAY TOWN, SAINT MATTHEWS, SLASH, LINDEN, AND THEN ANCHORAGE, MIDDLETOWN, WAY OUT. SO I THINK I WENT THROUGH ALL SEVEN. ANYWAY, AGAIN, I JUST CAME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK. POSITION. SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR NEW POSITION. ASK ME ANYTHING YOU WANT. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING AT TV THIS MORNING AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPLOSION IN THE GARBAGE TRUCK. WHY IS IT YOU CAN'T PUT A FIRE DETECTOR IN THE GARBAGE? MY, MY. AND AGAIN, TOTALLY OFF THE CUFF ANSWER. BUT MY FIRST RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE IS THE COMPACTOR ON THE INSIDE? YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IF IT THERE, YOU KNOW, 100 TIMES A DAY, THAT THING SWEEPS EVERYTHING TO THE FRONT OF THE TRUCK TO SMOOSH IT DOWN. AND ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE WOULD PROBABLY GO WITH IT. WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHY A FIRE DETECTOR? IT'S NOT GOING TO EXPLODE, IS IT? THEY HAD THAT ON TV. ALL THE LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IN THE GARBAGE THAT COULD CAUSE IT TO EXPLODE. AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO I I'M NOT SURE THE ARTICLE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO OR THE EVENT THAT OCCURRED. BUT TYPICALLY THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU JUST DON'T WANT IN GARBAGE THAT WILL. AND I GUESS THE CORRECT TERM WOULD BE REACT WITH EACH OTHER. BECAUSE WHETHER YOU PUT IT, YOU PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR GARBAGE CAN AND HE PUTS SOMETHING IN HIS GARBAGE CAN. INDIVIDUALLY, THEY'RE PERFECTLY SAFE. BUT AFTER THEY GET SMUSHED BY THE COMPACTOR AND THEN THEY MIX TOGETHER, YOU'RE I MEAN, THE BIGGEST ONE I COULD GIVE YOU. BLEACH AND AMMONIA. EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT TO MIX THOSE TWO TOGETHER. THINGS WITH CHLORINE. THINGS WITH ANHYDROUS AMMONIA. YOU JUST DON'T WANT THAT IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK. OKAY. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT OCCURRED, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LIMITED ON WHAT YOU CAN JUST TOSS. YEAH I SAW IT ON WLKY THIS MORNING SO OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT'S BEEN HERE FOREVER. I WOULD DEFER TO THE WISDOM OF DOCTOR FRANKLIN BACK THERE. SO WHO IS LITERALLY BEEN HERE SINCE? SINCE THE BEGINNING. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MAYBE TWO. ONE. AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE QUICK. ONE IS, HOW IS THE RELATIONSHIP FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND THE CHIEF'S POINT OF VIEW WITH LOUISVILLE FIRE? THAT'S BEEN A, YOU KNOW, ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN. AND I THINK WE HAVE A YOU KNOW A GOOD CHIEF NOW IN LOUISVILLE FIRE THAT HOPEFULLY IS WORKING WITH YOU ALSO IF YOU CAN YOU KNOW JUST GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT HOW THAT RELATIONSHIP IS AND THEN ANYTHING GOING ON AT THE STATE LEVEL, EITHER RIGHT NOW OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THAT COULD IMPACT THE SUBURBAN FIRE DISTRICTS. SO MY ANSWER TO THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CURRENT CITY OF LOUISVILLE IS IT'S NEVER BEEN BETTER. CHIEF O'NEILL COMES ABOUT EVERY OTHER MONTH TO OUR CHIEFS MEETINGS. HE'S INVITED EVERY MONTH. BUT I'M JUST SAYING HE REGULARLY SHOWS UP. THEY EVERYONE IS CONSULTED. ALL SEVEN CHIEFS WORK WELL TOGETHER. CHIEF O'NEILL WORKS WELL TOGETHER WITH THEM. AS A GUY WHO PROBABLY WHO DATES BACK TO THE 80S, IT'S NOT LIKE THOSE DAYS ANYMORE. I GUESS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. SO. SO THE RELATIONSHIP [00:10:07] IS PERFECTLY FINE. WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING. NOT THAT WE NECESSARILY AGREE ALL THE TIME. AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEEDS OF, OF THE, OF THE URBAN AREA AND THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT IS SOMETIMES DIFFERENT THAN THE DISTANT SUBURBS. SO THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS, BUT THE RELATIONSHIP IS FINE. ON A STATE LEVEL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING GOING ON SPECIFICALLY RIGHT NOW. HOUSE BILL 152 I BELIEVE IS KIND OF OUR OUR LATEST THING THAT THEY'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WITH EMS. I, I PROBABLY ON A MORE DISTANT NOTE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD USE SOME HELP WITH ON THE STATE LEVEL WOULD BE I'M GOING TO USE THE TERM CERTIFICATE OF NEED, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS A HOLDUP, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICES LIKE WE USED TO HAVE IN LOUISVILLE 25 YEARS AGO TO RELIEVE OUR EMS SYSTEM. LOUISVILLE EMS SYSTEM OF CODE ONE RUNS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ANYMORE, REALLY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, EVEN TO THE POINT OF HAULING THE DECEASED, WHICH USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, MERCY OR ONE OF THE PRIVATE SERVICES HAD A CONTRACT FOR THAT. NOW IT'S WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY. SO ON A STATE LEVEL THAT PROBABLY USE SOME HELP WITH THAT. BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT I COME UP WITH OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I MEAN, LAST YEAR THE PENSION'S BEEN SETTLED. HOUSE BILL 388 HAD SOME MAJOR CHANGES, BUT NONE OF THAT IS IN THIS YEAR'S SHORT SESSION. SO THANK YOU. REALLY GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP. NOT SURPRISED WITH WITH CHIEF O'NEILL. I FIND HIM TO BE A GREAT A GOOD GUY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE? NO. I WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE WORDS ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I WAS BLESSED TO HELP BRING IN A BABY BOX TO PLEASURE RIDGE. AND I REPRESENT FAIRDALE. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A BABY BOX THERE. I KNOW THAT CHILDREN'S LIVES HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH THIS BABY BOX. AND THROUGH THE EFFORTS OF A GROUP CALLED SHIRLEY'S WAY, THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE BOXES. HOW MANY FIRE DEPARTMENTS DO WE HAVE THAT HAVE BABY BOXES? DO YOU KNOW RIGHT OFF. I DO NOT KNOW. I THINK EVERY DEPARTMENT NOW HAS ONE AT LEAST. BUT IF YOU ASK ME HOW MANY LIKE PLEASURE RIDGE MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER FOR TOTAL NUMBER OF BOXES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR IT AND THANK YOU FOR IT. AND WE HOPE TO PUT MORE UP IN THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THEM. BUT THANK YOU, MISTER PEDEN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. NEXT WE HAVE JENNIFER CORUM, DIRECTOR OF THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON FLOCK CAMERAS. SHE'S JOINED BY FLOCK CAMERA REPRESENTATIVES VAUGHN, ROLAND AND KATIE WARD VIA WEBEX. MISS CORUM, IT'S YOUR FLOOR. HI. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR INVITING ME TO COME SPEAK. MY NAME IS JENNIFER CORUM. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF LMPD'S REAL TIME CRIME CENTER AND OVERSEE OUR CAMERA PROGRAM. OUR FLOCK LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION PROGRAM, AS WELL AS HAVE TWO INTELLIGENCE TYPES OF ANALYSTS STRATEGIC AND TACTICAL. SO I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE ME, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE DO, IF YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE FLOCK OF THE PROGRAM AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, PLEASE. ABSOLUTELY. SO I'LL START WITH OUR REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. WE ARE 24 OVER SEVEN. WE HAVE ANALYSTS AROUND THE CLOCK WHO ARE MONITORING CAMERAS AND ASSISTING WITH ANYTHING THAT A PATROL OFFICER WOULD NEED. WE ALSO HAVE OUR STRATEGIC ANALYSTS WHO ARE EMBEDDED IN DIVISIONS AND HELPING WITH INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE LONG TERM. OUR FLOCK PROGRAM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 141 THAT ARE INSTALLED. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDING ANOTHER 139, AND THAT IS BOTH LMPD FUNDED AS WELL AS COUNCIL FUNDED. WITHIN SOME OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS. I HAVE IN THE LAST MONTH. WE HAVE OUR LMPD PERSONNEL SEARCHED OUR PROGRAM OVER 18,000 TIMES, WHICH IS SHOWING THAT OUR OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES AND ANALYSTS ARE USING THE PROGRAM. FOR THEIR INVESTIGATIONS. AND LET'S SEE, WE HAD ALMOST 800 STOLEN PLATES OR STOLEN VEHICLES THAT WENT THROUGH A FLOCK DEVICE IN [00:15:02] JEFFERSON COUNTY IN THE LAST MONTH. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE DO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW LOCATIONS TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY LOCATIONS THAT NEED TO POTENTIALLY BE MOVED OR AREN'T BEING AS PRO AS EFFICIENT IN A LOCATION AS WE WOULD LIKE. BUT I'M HAPPY TO. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE PURCHASED WITH THEIR CHIEF. I'M HAPPY TO HELP ANYONE WITH THAT, OR MEET WITH ANYONE INDIVIDUALLY TO TALK ABOUT YOUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS. COULD YOU GIVE A COST ANALYSIS ON ON THESE FLOCK CAMERAS? WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST? EACH DISTRICT, EACH CAMERA. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO MONITOR. SO EACH CAMERA IS $3,000 A MONTH OR SORRY, A YEAR. IT'S USUALLY APOLOGIES. IT'S USUALLY A TWO YEAR CONTRACT THROUGH LMPD THROUGH THE NONDISCRETIONARY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT IS ARE TRANSFERRED OVER. THERE IS A $650 ONE TIME INSTALLATION FEE PER CAMERA. AND THEN AFTER THAT TIME IS OVER, IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE COUNCIL MEMBER PRECEDING COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO CONTINUE FUNDING IT, WE CAN. IF LMPD HAS THE FUNDS AND WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT OVER, WE CAN. OTHERWISE THAT DEVICE WOULD BE REMOVED. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS? HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S 141 INSTALLED AND ANOTHER 139 THAT YOU YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE PLACING. AS FAR AS THE DATA, RIGHT? I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW, WERE SPEAKING ON WHETHER OR NOT IF THEY'VE BEEN AFFECTED OR EFFICIENT IN THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE IN. MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE HOMICIDE RATE IS NOT REALLY REDUCING MUCH. IT'S A LOW SUCCESS IN HOMICIDES AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR YOU TOUCH ON. I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON CAR PLATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT SURE OF, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. AND YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME LATER. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW. WITH WITH THE HOMICIDE RATES, HOW EFFECTIVE REALLY ARE THESE CAMERAS AND HOW OFTEN ARE THE DETECTIVES ACTUALLY COMING IN, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THEM, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMICIDE RATES AND JUST THINGS BEING SOLVED OUTSIDE OF THE LICENSE PLATES. I UNDERSTAND. I CANNOT ANSWER THAT ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS WITH HOMICIDE RATES. WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE 18,000 SEARCHES THAT ARE DONE PER MONTH, ROUGHLY BY LMPD PERSONNEL, THAT IS, EVERY SINGLE TIME A DETECTIVE OR AN ANALYST SEARCHES THE SYSTEM 18,000 TIMES PER MONTH. AND THAT CAN BE SEARCHING LAPD'S DEVICES, THAT CAN BE SEARCHING OTHER DEVICES WITHIN THE REGION THAT CAN BE SEARCHING NATIONWIDE. BUT THAT 18,000 IS FOR AND ONLY LMPD PERSONNEL, WHETHER SWORN OR ANALYTICAL. SO THEY, THE DETECTIVES, OFFICERS AND ANALYSTS ARE USING THE PROGRAM FOR THEIR INVESTIGATIONS. SO 18,000 TIMES IT'S 18,000 SEARCHES. A SEARCH COULD BE WHERE THERE IS. IF YOU HAVE A FEW NUMBERS OF A LICENSE PLATE AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, TRYING TO FIND THAT NUMBER, AND THEN YOU ADD ANOTHER NUMBER THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SEARCH. SO IT IS IT'S GENERALLY FOR LICENSE PLATE BASED. YEAH. OR VEHICLES. YEAH. GOTCHA. SO IT'S PRIMARILY FOR LICENSE PLATE OR VEHICLE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THE ACTUAL PURPOSE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR, AND I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE TO GO HERE IN LITERALLY A MINUTE. SO? SO. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT MY DISTRICT. IS WHAT I THINK THE FIRST ONE TO PROPOSE AN NFE TO FUND ADDITIONAL CAMERAS AND IN AND AROUND THE AREA IN AND AROUND MY, MY DISTRICT, IN THE AREA. I AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE DOING THIS NOW PIECEMEAL. I WAS GLAD TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO [00:20:06] CIRCLE BACK. AND MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO YOUR POINT, LIKE YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE SHOULD MOVE THINGS BASED OFF OF PATTERNS AND INTELLIGENCE. WE I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME A BIFURCATED SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE THE LMPD CAMERAS AND THEN THESE INDIVIDUAL CAMERAS ARE I'M SURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IN THEIR TOTALITY, BUT HOW DO WE SHIFT FROM HAVING COUNCIL MEMBERS? THIS IS ALL TAXPAYER FUNDS I FUND IT. IT'S ALL TAXPAYER FUNDS. CAN WE JUST MOVING FORWARD, AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MORE AGGRESSIVELY FUND THIS AND HAVE THE GENERAL BUDGET PICK UP THE COST? I WOULD SAY THAT IS WITHIN THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET REQUEST. LET ME JUST SAY THAT BRING IT BACK TO LMPD LEADERSHIP. I DO WANT THIS ESCALATED. AND I'LL BRING IT UP WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. AND MAYBE SOMEBODY, A FRIEND OF MINE SITTING BACK THERE MAYBE CAN TAKE A NOTE ON THIS. BUT THE POINT OF BRINGING THIS UP IS THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY DISTRICT, I WAS ABLE TO CUT DEALS WITH OTHER SUBURBAN CITIES OR HOAS WHERE I PAID THE FIRST TWO YEARS, AND THEN THEY PICKED UP THE COST ON AN ONGOING BASIS. I HAVE COLLEAGUES OF MINE IN OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE CITY WHO DON'T HAVE SUBURBAN CITIES AND HAVE MAYBE HOAS THAT ARE UNDERFUNDED OR DEFUNCT AND JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. RIGHT. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO NOT OVERUSE THE WORD INEQUITABLE, BUT IT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T WORK, RIGHT. I'M ABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT HAVE RESOURCES. OTHERS DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESOURCES. AND THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF, IS IT GOOD TO HAVE IT IN THAT PLACE TO BEGIN WITH? RIGHT. LIKE WE PUT IT THERE IN CONSULTATION WITH LMPD, BUT SHOULD WE KEEP DOING THAT? I DON'T KNOW. AND SO IF WE SHOULD, MY OPINION IS WE SHOULD JUST PAY FOR IT. IT'S PART OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND STOP DOING THIS PIECEMEAL EFFORT. BUT JUST AN ADVOCACY THING. BUT I APPRECIATE IT. NO. WITH THAT, THE BUDGET REQUEST HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH MY LEADERSHIP AT LMPD FOR EXTENDED FUNDING. TERRIFIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. THE DATA. HOW LONG DOES THE DATA REMAIN IN THE FLOCK? CAMERAS. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH FOLKS IN FRANKFORT. HOW LONG IS THE DATA THERE? IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE DATA OF A PHOTO OF A LICENSE PLATE OR THE CAR DETAILS, THAT IS ONLY, SAY, FOR 30 DAYS, UNLESS IT'S EXTRACTED FOR A CASE OF AN INJURY. FOR TRAINING PURPOSES, FOR LEARNING, IF THE THAT THAT LOCATION IS EFFECTIVE OR NOT. THE ACTUAL DATA WHENEVER IT COMES TO WHO IS USING THE SYSTEM, WHAT IS BEING SEARCHED THAT IS FOREVER, THAT STAYS FOREVER. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN. RUBY. PLEASE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, SO WHO IS MONITORING THE CAMERAS? IS THIS OKAY? BACKGROUND. WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS. SO IS THIS THE PERSON MONITORING THE CAMERAS? I ASSUME THIS IS A SWORN OFFICER. IS THIS LIKE A RETIREE, OR IS THIS SOMEBODY WHO COULD BE OUT THERE PATROLLING ON THE STREETS IF THEY WEREN'T DOING THIS? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING ALL OUR RESOURCES TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. I UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU REFER TO CAMERAS, ARE YOU REFERRING TO FLOCK LPR DEVICES OR LIVE VIEWING, LIVE RECORDING, METRO WATCH PTZ CAMERAS? AT THIS POINT, FLOCK. BUT I THINK THE QUESTION REFERS TO BOTH OF THEM. OKAY. SO WITH THE FLOCK DEVICES, ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN LMPD HAS ACCESS TO RECEIVE THOSE HITS. SO IF A BEAT OFFICER IS DRIVING THROUGH THEIR DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE THE STOLEN HOT PLATE LIST UP AND IT DINGS, THEY THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT IN THEIR VEHICLE. AS FAR AS WITH THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, WE ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA AND THAT REAL TIME INFORMATION FROM FLOCK. THAT IS, WE ARE COMPLETELY PROFESSIONALLY STAFFED. SO ALL OF OUR ANALYSTS ARE TRAINED, HIRED AND TRAINED AS ANALYSTS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY FORMER LMPD LAW ENFORCEMENT. BUT WE HIRE ANALYSTS FROM ALL SORTS OF BACKGROUNDS. A LARGE VARIETY. AND THOSE ARE THE ANALYSTS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO VIEW THE CAMERAS IN REAL TIME. THE METRO WATCH CAMERAS IN REAL TIME. SO IF THERE IS A CALL FOR SERVICE WHERE WE DO HAVE A METRO WATCH CAMERA NEARBY, THAT ANALYST CAN GO TO THAT CAMERA AND START LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT MAY PERTAIN TO THAT, THAT CALL FOR SERVICE AND THAT RUN TO LET DISPATCH AND OFFICERS KNOW, [00:25:01] HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE OFFICER ARRIVES TO SCENE. AND THEN ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND REVIEW, TO LET DISPATCH AND OFFICERS KNOW IF ANYTHING WAS CAUGHT ON CAMERA. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO THE FLOCK CAMERAS CAN BE ACCESSED BY ANY LMPD OFFICER, INCLUDING DETECTIVES, AND THEY CAN JUST PUT IN THE BASIC DESCRIPTION, LICENSE PLATE, WHATEVER, AND GET THE DATA THEMSELVES. YES, MA'AM. AND THEN THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER CAMERAS ARE MONITORED BY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN OFFICERS. CORRECT. WE DO NOT MONITOR THE CAMERAS 24 OVER SEVEN. WE HAVE ACCESS TO OVER 1000 OR 2000 CAMERAS, SO WE CAN'T MONITOR ALL OF THEM AT A TIME. BUT WE ARE WORKING ON ADDING THOSE CAMERAS INTO OUR FUZE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET LAUNCHED SOON. THAT WILL ALLOW OFFICERS ON THE BEAT TO VIEW THOSE CAMERAS, AS WELL AS CALL FOR SERVICE ON A MAP. ALONG WITH OUR ANALYST AND ANY BUSINESSES THAT WOULD LIKE TO JOIN AND ALLOW US ACCESS TO THEIR CAMERAS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN JOSEPH. YEAH. MY FIRST QUESTION WAS YOU SAID TWO YEARS IS TYPICALLY THE CONTRACT, BUT THERE IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ONE YEAR. I FEEL LIKE THAT. I'VE SEVERAL OF MY FLOCK CAMERAS IN MY DISTRICT POTENTIALLY, THAT ARE GOING UP AROUND ONE YEAR. THE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS GENERALLY THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILL DICTATE WHAT THE LENGTH IS. SO FAR IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS FOR ANYONE THAT HAS. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT LMPD CAN DECIDE TO MAKE CERTAIN AREAS MORE OF A NECESSITY AND PAY FOR THEM THEMSELVES. THE LMPD PAYS FOR SOME OF THE FLOCKS IF WE. SO LMPD HAS A CONTRACT FOR FIVE YEARS FOR FLOCK. THROUGH THAT CONTRACT WE HAVE 112 CONTRACTED ALONG WITH THOSE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO INSTALL. THE. I'M SORRY. YOU ARE DISTRICT 12. YES. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE FOUR FLOCK DEVICES IN YOUR DISTRICT. THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS THAT HAVE MORE THAN THAT AND SOME DISTRICTS THAT HAVE LESS. WE LOOK AT A VARIETY OF THINGS LIKE CRIME PATTERNS AND AS WELL AS SOME TRENDS ON, ON MAPS AND. THE TRAFFIC COUNTS TO SEE WHAT LOCATIONS HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND THAT'S LMPD FUNDED AND FUNDED THROUGH THE BUDGET AND NOT THROUGH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL. CORRECT. IS THERE A WAY TO BE ABLE TO FIND OR CAN WE CAN WE RECEIVE THE INFORMATION ON WHERE THE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE? WHAT WHAT PARTS OF TOWN? IF YOU WILL HAVE HAVE FUNDS OR HAVE IT FUNDED BY LMPD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, WHERE WE CAN JUST HAVE THE TO SEE, SEE LIKE WHERE THE SOUTH END IS COMPARED TO THE WEST END VERSUS THE EAST END. SO OF THE 141 THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I HAVE THAT BROKEN DOWN BY DISTRICT AS WELL AS POLICE DIVISION. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND TALK ABOUT YOUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THOSE DETAILS WITH YOU IN A WEBEX. YEAH, I ULTIMATELY I WOULD JUST BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE THE SOUTH END RESOURCES IN REGARDS TO OTHER PARTS TO WELL, WITH DISTRICT 12. THERE WERE 14 DEVICES THAT WERE RECENTLY FUNDED. THOSE ARE STILL GOING THROUGH PERMITTING. SO THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET. BUT THAT IS THOSE ARE THROUGH A TWO YEAR. GOTCHA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN WOOLRIDGE. THANK YOU. SO YOU SAID THERE'S 139 CAMERAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING INSTALLED. JUST WONDERING, WHAT IS THE NORMAL TURNAROUND TIME FROM WHEN IT'S FUNDED TO WHEN IT USUALLY GETS INSTALLED? THAT DEPENDS. THE THEIR THE DELAY IN THIS GROUPING OF LOCATIONS HAS BEEN PERMITTING ISSUES OUTSIDE OF OUR SWIMS DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH FLOCK DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET THAT FIXED AND GET THOSE INSTALLED. OKAY. WE WANT THEM INSTALLED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT ONCE THE PERMIT IS INSTALLED, THEY'VE USUALLY GIVEN ME A TIMELINE OF ABOUT 2 TO 4 WEEKS THAT IT WILL BE HAVE A SITE SURVEY 811 AND THEN AN INSTALLATION DATE. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AFTER THE LICENSING IS TAKEN CARE OF, THEN IT'S ABOUT 2 TO 4 WEEKS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNDON. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. MISS. I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN SANTINI'S THOUGHTS ABOUT MAYBE INCREASING THE AMOUNT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND GENERAL BUDGET. BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANT TO I NEED TO DO A MUCH DEEPER DIVE SO THAT I UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN AND WHAT WHAT YOU CAN PROVIDE. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY CAMERAS ARE IN DISTRICT FOUR? DISTRICT FOUR HAS [00:30:04] 13 AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ANY OF THE 139 THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET. SURE, SURE. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE DOWNTOWN IS IN MY DISTRICT, AND BECAUSE OF ITS DENSITY OF USE OF 100,000 PEOPLE A DAY. LIVE HERE, WORK HERE, COME TO DO BUSINESS HERE. OUR NEED IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE GREATER. AND I WANTED TO EXPLORE THAT AS PART OF THE DEEP DIVE. JUST UNDERSTAND THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THE DETAILS OF YOUR DISTRICT. SURE. THROUGH A WEBEX. BUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DID WANT TO KIND OF MAKE A NOTE OF IS WITHIN THE JEFFERSON COUNTY, KENTUCKY REGION. WE HAVE ABOUT 85 PRIVATELY FUNDED NETWORKS THAT WERE NOT FUNDED THROUGH. METRO, LMPD, NOR ANY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THOSE ARE PRIVATE BUSINESSES, HOAS, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE FUNDED IT THEMSELVES AND PROVIDED ACCESS TO LMPD WHILE ALSO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE REGION AS WELL. WE HAVE ACCESS TO 2378 OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES NETWORKS IN THE COUNTRY. TO SEARCH. SO IF IT IS IF WE HAVE AN INCIDENT WHERE WE NEED TO SEARCH THROUGH A PATHWAY TO ALABAMA FOR A SUSPECT, WE CAN SEARCH THOSE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE GIVEN US ACCESS TO SEARCH IT. BUT THAT INCLUDES ACCESS TO SEARCH ALMOST 34,000 DEVICES IN THE NATION. THANK YOU MISS. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO WE ALL KNOW THAT CRIME IS IN OUR 26TH DISTRICT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT'S THE NINTH STREET? IT SEEMS LIKE TO BE A LOT MORE HIGHER. CAN YOU GIVE ME JUST A LITTLE DATA ON. THAT AREAS? FLOCK CAMERAS, LIKE THE ONE COUNCILMAN. HERNDON'S DISTRICT AND DISTRICT FIVE. DISTRICT ONE AT THIS TIME HAS FOUR DEVICES. DISTRICT FOUR HAS 13 DEVICES, AND DISTRICT FIVE HAS 18 DEVICES THAT ARE LMPD FUNDED OR COUNCIL FUNDED THAT ARE INSTALLED. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 139 THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN INSTALLED, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PRIVATE NETWORKS. OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY IN IN THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU SAID D ONE HAS FOUR. SO THAT LETS ME KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF LINED WITH THE SOUTH END. AND IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE CRIME IN DISTRICT ONE. THAN THAN A LOT OF THOSE OTHER AREAS. BUT ALSO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW WOULD SWIMS. ABC ARSON AND COLTS. HOW WILL THEY BE ABLE TO ACCESS THESE BLOCK CAMERAS? THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO OUR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK IS THROUGH METRO GOVERNMENT ACTING THROUGH ITS LMPD. AND WHAT THAT MEANS FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS THAT ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITHIN METRO CAN, CAN ACCESS FLOCK THROUGH THE LMPD ACCOUNT. WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ABOUT BRINGING IN THE SWIMS, INVESTIGATORS FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING AND HAULER COMPLIANCE. SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS FLOCK DATA AND SEARCHES FOR THEIR INVESTIGATIONS. BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CJIS DATA, WHICH WOULD BE THE HOTLIST INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM THE FBI. SO EVERYTHING THEY HAVE ACCESS TO, EVERYTHING EXCEPT WHAT COMES IN FROM THE FBI. CORRECT. ONLY SWIMS. ONLY SWIMS. AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDING LOVE, ARSON AND ABC. THEY HAVEN'T YET BEEN BROUGHT INTO THE ACCOUNT, BUT THAT IS THE. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. OKAY. WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THAT? SOON. I AT LEAST WITH ABC, I CAN PROBABLY GET THAT DONE THIS WEEK. OKAY. SO ABC, YOU SAID A WEEK AND THEN ARSON AND COMBS. THOSE WILL FOLLOW. SWIMS CODES IS THREE OF THOSE INVESTIGATORS HAVE ALREADY HAD ACCOUNTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE SPEAKERS IN THE QUEUE. MISS CORUM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING WILL BE [Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.] HELD WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19TH AT 4 P.M. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.