Dec 05, 2024 Parks and Sustainability Committee (trimmed)

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GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PARKS AND SUSTAINABILITY

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[2. R-142-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO METRO ORDINANCE LMCO 42.43(I) APPROVING THE FOLLOWING CONTRACT FOR MANAGEMENT OF QUAIL CHASE GOLF COURSE – (HARDESTY GOLF LLC). Action Required By:  May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Cindi Fowler (D-14) ]

THANK YOU. AND SO I UNDERSTAND MISTER HARDESTY WAS HE'S AT SHAWNEE CURRENTLY. IS THAT CORRECT OR BOBBY NICHOLS? I KNOW IT WAS FIRST. HE CURRENTLY WORKS FOR THE FIRST TEE. FIRST TEE.

OH, OKAY. YES, MA'AM. AND WORKED BETWEEN THOSE TWO. CORRECT. OKA. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? SEEING NONE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I KNOW I LIKE, SIGN. THIS WILL GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AND, GENTLEMEN, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. THOSE ARE MY GUYS BACK THERE. OKAY. ITEM

[3. R-153-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR ON BEHALF OF METRO GOVERNMENT TO ACCEPT THE DONATION OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON PROPERTY OWNED BY MARY ANN TYLER LOCATED AT 5801 AND 5900 BILLTOWN ROAD IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, KENTUCKY. Action Required By:  May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Stuart Benson (R-20) ]

DO I HEAR A MOTION? MOTION PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. IS BEFORE US. AND WHO HAVE WE GOT? OH, HEY, HOW ARE YOU? I AM DOING WELL. GOOD. I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE, KIRK. OKAY. THANK YOU.

FIRST REALLY COLD DAY OF THE YEAR. BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT SNOWING. IT'S. YEAH. NO, THE LOUISVILLE, JEFFERSON COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST IS COMING TO THE COUNCIL AGAIN. WE WERE HERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO ON A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE COMING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE THIS MONTH. AND THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS THERE IS THE TYLER CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THAT'S LOCATED ON BILLTOWN ROAD. IT'S PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY MARY TYLER. THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS A PROCESS THAT WE WORK WITH PRIVATE LANDOWNERS AND VOLUNTARILY WANT TO PUT THEIR LAND UNDER A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT TO ESSENTIALLY TAKE AWAY THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND HOLD THESE SPACES IN PERPETUITY FOR OPEN SPACE FOR THEIR AGRICULTURAL VALUE, FOR THEIR HISTORY, HISTORIC AND SCENIC VALUE, AND FOR THE BENEFITS THAT THEY BRING TO THE COMMUNITY FROM SCENIC BEAUTY TO WILDLIFE HABITAT TO FLOOD CONTROL TO WATER QUALITY. UNFORTUNATELY, DURING THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATION WITH THE TYLER'S MR. TYLER PASSED AWAY ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE THE ACTION TOOK PLACE AND HE WAS PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT. I

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GOOD DEAL. AND I DO HAVE WITH US OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND SCHULTZ WITH THAT DOES OUR LEGAL WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? WHO IS NOBODY? OKAY. SO I WANTED TO SAY TO THAT COUNCILMAN HUDSON AND COUNCILMAN MULVIHILL BOTH HAVE AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. NOS. BY LIKE SIGN. THIS WILL GO TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. AND I GUESS YOU CAN JUST STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE AT. OKAY, WE GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING UP. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS R-154-2 FOR A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR ON BEHALF OF METRO GOVERNMENT, TO ACCEPT THE DONATION OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON PROPERTY OWNED BY RODNEY D POWELL AND NANCY M POWELL AS TRUSTEES OF THE POLE LIVING TRUST, LOCATED AT 15 205 BRUSH RUN ROAD IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, KENTUCKY. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MOTION PROPERLY MOVED IN BEFORE US. YOU'RE UP AGAIN, MISTER KIRK. OKAY. THANK YOU. I KNOW IT SOUNDS REPETITIOUS WHEN I SAY EVERY TIME I COME HERE, I SAY IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND IT IS ALL THOSE PROPERTIES ARE UNIQUE, AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL IN THEIR OWN WAY. THE POLES HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE THE EARLY 1980S, AND IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL THINGS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. AND CURRENTLY IT IS A 44 ACRE TRACT THAT IS MOSTLY WOODLAND, BUT IT HAS ABOUT TEN ACRES OF OPEN GRASSLAND SPACE ON IT, AND IT'S A PLACE FOR IT HAS A STABLE AND THEY STABLE A COUPLE OF HORSES WHICH ARE HORSES THAT BELONG TO THEM, THEY SAID. THOSE HORSES HAVE A LIFETIME HOME REGARDLESS OF WHO LIVES THERE. AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE A CHANCE TO RESCUE A COUPLE OF OTHER HORSES AND BRING THEM THERE. THE POLES PROPERTY IS KIND OF UNIQUE BECAUSE IT HAS ONE RESIDENTIAL SETTING ON THAT 44 ACRES, AND IT IS AN UNDERGROUND HOUSE. IT'S COMPLETELY UNDERGROUND WITH ONLY THE FRONT SHOWING. IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY. AND WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE PROPERTY FROM THE DRIVEWAY, YOU SEE THE WINDOWS OF THIS, THIS HOUSE THERE. AND JUST A BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE SETTING. AND ON TOP OF IT, IT'S GOT THE ULTIMATE GREEN ROOF BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A GREEN ROOF, BUT THE ROOF IS LANDSCAPED. AND IF YOU WALK INTO IT FROM THE BACKSIDE, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT THERE'S HOUSE THERE. BUT IT'S A PRETTY SIZABLE HOUSE. IT'S UNDERGROUND. DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT WAS BUILT? EXCUSE ME? DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT WAS BUILT? IT WAS BUILT IN AROUND 1987, I BELIEVE. ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IN THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS THAT THE RESERVE RIGHT FOR BUILDING ON THAT ONLY ENGAGES OVERTOP THE EXISTING HOUSE. OKAY. OVERTOP THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE. MISTER POOLE IS IN MEMORY

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APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND, MR. MASON. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WILL STILL COULD STILL CHANGE HANDS OVER THE YEARS. AND SOMEONE COULD BUILD ON TOP OF THE EXISTING HOME, BUT NOWHERE ELSE ON THE LAND. CORRECT. YEAH, IT'S CALLED A BUILDING ENVELOPE. AND THAT'S WHAT IS ATTACHED TO THE DEED TO THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT THAT FOLLOWS THE PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF WHO OWNS IT. AND WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH LANDOWNERS ABOUT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT SAYS ONCE THAT DOCUMENT GOES INTO EFFECT, EVEN IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DEFEND WHAT YOU DID IN THE BEGINNING. RIGHT. AND SO THAT PROPERTY CAN BE SOLD. IT CAN BE GIFTED, IT CAN BE GIVEN TO HEIRS. IT CAN THEY CAN DISPOSE OF THAT PROPERTY ANY WAY THAT THEY WANT TO. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER LAND PROPERTY. BUT THAT EASEMENT GOES WITH IT. AND THEN WITH THAT I SAY IT'S LIKE A RELATIONSHIP. ONCE YOU ENTER INTO THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT HOLDER, WE'RE THERE FOREVER WITH YOU.

RIGHT? AND SO IT'S US AND YOU. AND SO THE US IS THAT IT'S THE LOUISVILLE-JEFFERSON COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHO POLICES AND OVERSEES. YES, YES. AND IF THE IF THE LOUISVILLE-JEFFERSON COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST EVER CEASES TO EXIST, THEN IT GOES TO ANOTHER QUALIFIED CONSERVATION EASEMENT HOLDER. I SEE. SO IT NEVER GOES AWAY. ALL RIGHT.

LEARNED A LOT TODAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. NO. SMELL LIKE SIGNS. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MASON, FOR BEING HERE. IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL WORKING WITH YOU OVER THE YEARS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ENJOYABLE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS 0265-2 FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING

[4. R-154-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR ON BEHALF OF METRO GOVERNMENT TO ACCEPT THE DONATION OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON PROPERTY OWNED BY RODNEY D. POHL AND NANCY M. POHL AS TRUSTEES OF THE POHL LIVING TRUST LOCATED AT 15205 BRUSH RUN ROAD IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, KENTUCKY. Action Required By:  May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Stuart Benson (R-20) ]

SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED IN BEFORE US. WHO WE GOT TODAY. I CAN SPEAK TO IT, MADAM CHAIR. I'M SORRY. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. IF SOMEONE ELSE ISN'T THERE FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT FEEL FREE.

LET THEM GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. OKAY, I'M JUST HERE IN CASE I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, SO PLEASE SPEAK. THANK YOU, MISS LYONS. I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE EITHER. I'M STRUGGLING. OH, IT'S ALREADY ON.

I'M FILLING IN FOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY NICOLE PANG. SHE WAS THE DRAFTER ON THIS, AND SHE'S OUT OF TOWN, SO. OKAY. AND IT HAS THE BASIC PROVISIONS ARE THAT IT AUTHORIZES THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS TO CREATE AN EVENT PERMIT SYSTEM. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY HAVE ONE IN SORT OF IN PLACE NOW. AND THIS IS JUST THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE REGULATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES.

AND REQUIRES PARKS TO PUBLISH THE EVENT TYPES AND THE ASSOCIATED FEES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER FOR THESE PERMITTED EVENTS. OKAY. THE DRAFT ALSO MAKES IT UNLAWFUL TO PROMOTE HOLD OR ASSIST AN ORGANIZING EVENT WITHOUT A PERMIT. AND IF YOU FAIL TO OBSERVE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE PERMIT, THAT'S ALSO A VIOLATION. IF THE EVENT

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YEP. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THIS PREVENTS SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, THEN I THINK IT'S A GOOD AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING EXISTING ORDINANCE. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? YES, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. THANK YOU. I SEE THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC IS HERE. IS IT OKAY IF WE ASK HER TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT? SURE. QUESTIONS? GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MICHELLE KING, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LOUISVILLE PARKS AND RECREATION. WE APPRECIATE THIS ORDINANCE AND SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN REED AND COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS FOR BRINGING THIS AND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DRAFT THIS. I FEEL LIKE THIS GIVES SOME CLARITY TO THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND MOREOVER, GIVES US SOME ENFORCEMENT TOOLS AND MECHANISMS. FOR ESPECIALLY THOSE MORE EGREGIOUS OFFENSES, LIKE THE ONES THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU ALL JUST DISCUSSED. SO FOR THE PUBLIC WHO'S NOT READING OUR LEGISLATION, NOT IN OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT CONSTITUTES AS AN EVENT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN VIOLATION OF THIS? WOULD A BUNCH OF GRANNIES MEETING AT THE PARK TO GO FOR SOME WALKS BE IN VIOLATION IF THEY DON'T GET A PERMIT, JUST BREAK IT DOWN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE AND HAVE EVENTS AND PARKS. IT'S WHEN THEY MEET CERTAIN THRESHOLDS. FOR EXAMPLE, 250 PEOPLE OR MORE REQUIRES A PERMIT. THAT SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT A GROUP THAT YOU WANT TO MEET UP IN A CERTAIN SPOT IN A PAVILION, WE ALSO HAVE A RESERVATION PROCESS FOR THAT TOO. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST ROLL THE DICE EVEN IF IT'S A SMALLER GROUP THAN 250. BUT THOSE SMALLER GROUPS DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT. BUT THESE KINDS OF EVENTS WITH LARGER NUMBERS OF FOLKS, VINCE, THAT MAYEED EQUIPMENT BROUGHT IN, THERE IS A SPOT ON OUR WEBSITE IF YOU GO TO LOUISVILLE, KY. DOT GOV. PARKS AND RECREATION. OR YOU CAN GO TO BEST PARKS EVER .COM. THE HOME PAGE THE RIGHT ON FRONT. THERE'S A LINK FOR RESERVATIONS AND PMITSAND E FIRST THING YOU'LL SEE ON THAT A LTF ACVITI THAT QUIR A PEIT. AH. RIOUS. 250 AT RUBEL PARK IN OUR DISTRICT IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 250 AT ALBERTO JONES PARK. SO JUST EXPLAIN TO US WHY THAT NUMBER AND IF IT CHANGES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PARK. YEAH. LOOK BACK AT THE PHONE OF FRIENDS OF MY

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BUT I THINK JUST LIKELY BEING THAT THAT'S THE SIZE GROUP THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL WASTE COLLECTION, MAKE SURE THAT THE FACILITIES ARE READY AND PREPARED FOR ANY KIND OF EVENT. WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE. YEAH. AND LAST QUESTION FOR NOW, CHAD. WHAT KIND OF ADVERTISEMENT WILL BE DONE IN ADDITION TO THE ENFORCEMENT? I'VE HAD SOMEONE CONTACT ME CONCERNED. HOW WILL PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS? SURE. WE DO PLAN TO GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CLEAR AND EASILY FOUND. YOU KNOW THAT PUT AWAY FOR A WHILE. WE CAN PUT A HEADLINE ON THE WEBSITE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR NEW PERMITTING REGULATIONS. WE'LL ALSO INITIATE SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE UNDERSTANDING. HOW DO YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ABILITY TO HAVE EVENTS IN PARKS? BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT THING. WE HAVE GREAT PARKS AND THEY'RE GREAT PLACES FOR HOLDING EVENTS, AND WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A BIT OF A MARKETING INITIATIVE AS WELL. SO NOT JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHAT BAD COULD HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, BUT REALLY, WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THERE ARE WITH A PERMIT. I'M SORRY, CHAIR, I GOT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. WHOEVER RUNS YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA IS PHENOMENAL. AND THEY DESERVE A RAISE. OKAY, I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THAT JOHN RYDER? THAT'S JOHN'S TEAM, AND I BELIEVE AARON BURKE. I'M GOING TO GIVE HER A SHOUT OUT. SHE HAS HAD SOME REALLY GREAT KATIE COOKS IN THERE AS WELL. SO YEAH. SO I'M I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE. AND I THINK YOU ALL REMEMBER FROM GREENWOOD BOAT DOCK. BUT I MEAN THEY ACTUALLY CLOSED THE GATE AND WOULD ONLY LET THE CAR SHOW ENTERS ENTRIES. I MEAN, YEAH, IT WAS NUTS. COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THIS WOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON ANY OF THE COUNCIL. SPONSORED EVENTS? NO. RIGHT. THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN. NOW, COUNCILMAN BAKER. MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. OKAY. YOU KNOW, JUST WAS WANTING TO DEFINE MORE EVENTS, BUT THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN REED, AND, YEAH, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. SO NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. AND THANKS FOR ALL THAT. YOU AND YOUR STAFF ALWAYS CONTINUE TO DO. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK MY QUESTIONS WERE MORE OR LESS ANSWERED, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION. SO WHERE IS IT CLEARLY STATED ABOUT WHEN ADMISSION IS PERMITTED TO BE CHARGED? I KNOW APPARENTLY CAR SHOWS ARE A THING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE IN IROQUOIS PARK AND THEIRS IS PERMITTED. AND THEY THEY'RE QUOTE CHARGING ADMISSION IS A DONATION TO CRUSADE. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW THEY GET AROUND THAT. BUT WHERE IS THIS.

IS THIS IN YOUR ALL'S RULES SOMEWHERE, OR IS THIS IN AN ORDINANCE? THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW IT'S PAGE THREE, SUBSECTION E IS WHAT AUTHORIZES THE YOU KNOW, MAKES THE EVENT UNLAWFUL. IF YOU CHARGE AN ADMISSION FEE WITHOUT EXPRESS PERMISSION. THE PERMISSION ITSELF WILL BE DEVELOPED BY PARKS UNDER THE AUTHORITY THAT THEY'RE GIVEN. IN SUBSECTION A ON PAGE TWO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT ONE. WHAT CONSTITUTES A PRIVATE EVENT VERSUS A PUBLIC EVENT? ONCE AGAIN, I'M THINKING OF MY FAVORITE CAR SHOW, WHICH BY THE WAY THEY'RE DOING REALLY WELL NOW. THEY GOT GOOD PEOPLE RUNNING IT. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? HOW DO WE KNOW? BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC EVEN. THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC. THERE'S NOT A DEFINITION HERE. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT? HOW WOULD THAT PLAY OUT? I AS FAR AS, LIKE, THE CHARGING ADMISSION, WHATEVER.

ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU'RE CHARGING ADMISSION IS DOES IT BECOME A PRIVATE EVENT BECAUSE YOU'RE CHARGING ADMISSION VERSUS A PUBLIC EVENT THAT DOES NOT? AND JUST TO THROW IN A SCENARIO, SAY, A FAMILY COMES AND WANTS TO JUST USE THE PLAYGROUND, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO COME OR DOES THAT PERMIT COVER THE WHOLE PROPERTY? THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS PARKS DIRECTOR TO SET CONDITIONS

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I'LL ALLOW COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN BECKER, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S A MORE LIKE THE PUMPKIN PUMPKIN DISPLAY. THAT'S AN IROQUOIS PARK. I KNOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PERMITTED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT LET'S SAY I DID MY OWN AT CENTRAL PARK. RIGHT? OR ANOTHER PARK. JUST PICK A PARK. AND WE WANTED TO CHARGE $5, NOT FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT JUST SAY, AS A PRIVATE RESIDENT, $5 FOR AND I GIVE MONEY TO THE LOCAL FOOTBALL TEAM OR, OR SOME AREA THAT I THAT BECAUSE I'M A PRIVATE CITIZEN, IS THAT CONSTITUTED AS A PRIVATE EVENT, AND WOULD I BE ABLE TO KIND OF WALK DOWN THE PARK BECAUSE I'M CHARGING AN ADMISSION FEE KNOWING THAT THAT'S I'M KIND OF SPITBALLING. SO DON'T GO TOO MUCH INTO SCENARIO, BUT JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE THE PUMPKIN GLOW OR THE CAR SHOW OR WHATEVER IT IS, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS PARKS TO SET THE SET CONDITIONS AND TO BUILD REGULATIONS AND RULES UP FRONT.

SO THAT WOULD ALL RELY ON PARKS TO BUILD THOSE PIECES. DIRECTOR KING AND ANOTHER ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS CLASS REUNIONS. PEOPLE HAVE CLASS REUNIONS. BRING A SPOUSE. EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CLASS OF 300, LET'S SAY 150 COME. BUT THEY BRING A SPOUSE AND KIDS. YOU EASILY GET ABOVE THAT 250, BUT THE ADMISSION FEE WOULD BE THE $20 THAT EVERYBODY BRINGS FOR HOT DOGS AND BURGERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S IN THE WEEDS, BUT HOW DOES THAT COME, COME INTO PLAY? AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS OF WE HAVE A PERMITTING FORM ALREADY THAT ASKS FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW, ALONG WITH WHAT AREA ARE YOU REQUESTING TO RESERVE SO IT WOULD NOT BE TYPICAL FOR, SA, THE ENTIRE PARK TO BE PART OF A PERMITTED EVENT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE WELL, REMEMBER I GOT GNADINGER PARK THAT'S THIS BIG TO THE EXAMPLE EXAMPLE FOR THE JACQUELINE SPECTACULAR EVENT THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A AMPHITHEATER EVENT AND THEN THE SPACE AROUND IT AND IT'S MARKED OFTEN WITH FAMILY REUNIONS THAT WILL BE A SPECIFIC PAVILION SPACE, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE ARE ABLE TO TYPICALLY DEFINE THE AREA FOR AN EVENT IN THAT PERMITTING PROCESS. AND IT'S A IT'S A CONVERSATION YOU KNOW, SUBMIT THE FORM. WE'LL ASK FOR FOLLOW UP INFORMATION AS NEEDED TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WILL IMPACT THE PARK USAGE. AND IF IT FITS WITHIN OUR RULES. AND AS COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS STATED, WE NOW HAVE THE AUTHORITY CLEARLY TO PROMULGATE ADDITIONAL RULES AND REGULATIONS TO BETTER DEFINE THOSE SITUATIONS. THANK YOU. SO, WOULD THERE EVER BE A SITUATION? I'M SORRY. I'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU. WITH. WITH DO WHAT? FINISH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO, WOULD THERE EVER BE A SITUATION WHERE A WHOLE PARK WOULD BE PERMITTED FOR AN EVENT? I MEAN, SO I GUESS THERE IS, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT SOUTHWEST FESTIVAL. I MEAN, THAT TAKES UP THE ENTIRE PARK EXCEPT FOR THE GOLF COURSE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PUBLIC EVENT. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHARGING LIMITED EDITION OR ADMISSION. RIGHT ON THAT. SO COME ONE, COME ALL. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I KNOW THAT GENERALLY WE ASK THAT SOMEONE RESERVE, SAY, SUNNY HILL PAVILION, BUT WE KNOW MANY WEEKENDS. SUNNY HILL PAVILION IS NOT RESERVED, SO IT'S POTLUCK WHETHER YOU GET IN THERE OR NOT. RIGHT. SO HOW DOES THAT FALL INTO THIS DISCUSSION IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND NOBODY'S IN THERE, I'M GOING TO SET UP A PARTY. I IS AS LONG AS IT'S NOT YOU AND 249 OF YOUR FRIENDS, IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT. SO THAT'S A BUT IF SOMEONE DID PERMIT IT, THEY WOULD HAVE. IF THEY RESERVED IT, IT WOULD BE POSTED. YES, BUT WE HAVE HAD ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAD SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK TO WHERE A FAMILY REUNION JUST CAME AND TOOK THOSE POSTS DOWN. AND YOU KNOW, SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK WAS JUST OUT OF LUCK THAT NIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, IT DOES HAPPEN, BUT AND THERE WAS NO ONE TO CALL. YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE CALLED JASON AT HOME, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'D APPRECIATED THAT. BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT THIS ORDINANCE GIVES US SOME CLEAR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS FOR THOSE KINDS OF INCIDENTS. YEAH. SO I, I WAS

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AND JUST WE WERE TALKING BACK AND FORTH, 250 PEOPLE BEFORE YOU. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE TO ME. 100 PEOPLE IS STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND YOU WONDER WHETHER YOU SHOULD HAVE A PERMIT AT THAT POINT. YEAH, I WILL SAY THAT MUCH SMALLER EVENTS DO STILL END UP TRIPPING OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR A PERMIT. THAT JUST IS KIND OF ONE CRITERIA AMONGST A LIST THAT YOU'LL FIND ON OUR PERMITS AND RESERVATIONS WEB PAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M DONE GRILLING YOU. THANK YOU. SO YOU FEEL LIKE ALL BASES ARE COVERED HERE? YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE? YES.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN BEAUCHAMP. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MY QUESTION, I GUESS, IS SOMEWHAT WAS ANSWERED, BUT LET'S. CAN I USE MEDORA PARK FOR AN EXAMPLE? RIGHT. LET'S SAY WE DON'T OWN MEDORA PARK, SO IT'S NOT A LOCAL METRO PARK. NO, NO, WE HAVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT ON THERE AND BASKETBALL, BUT IT IS OWNED BY JEFFERSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. NO, I'M THE ONE OVER ON ORAL. THAT'S IT. OH, OKAY. YEAH. THAT USED TO BE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SET RIGHT THERE. OKAY. IF LET'S USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT LET'S SAY THERE'S A SMALL PARK LIKE MEDORA PARK IN THE LOUISVILLE METRO PARK SYSTEM, AND SOMEONE PUT SOME TABLES AND A TENT UP AND SAID, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET IN IS PAY A $5 ADMISSION, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BASEBALL TOURNAMENT GOING ON AT IN THE AFTERNOON OF A SATURDAY. WHO IS ENFORCING THAT, AND HOW DO WE DETERMINE IF THEY DID NOT GET THE PROPER PERMITS? HOW DO WE WHO DO WE REACH OUT TO ENFORCE THAT? AND WHO'S ENFORCING IT? ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON AT 5:00, WHEN, IF THE PARK RANGERS SITUATION IS NOT FULLY STAFFED YET, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME QUESTIONS AND STAFFING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING TOWARD WITH THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO SWEAR IN ADDITIONAL PARKS EMPLOYEES THAT CAN WRITE A VIOLATION FOR THAT CIVIL OFFENSE. SO YOU WOULD CALL A PARKS MAIN LINE, AND WE WILL HAVE AN OPTION FOR THAT TO RING THROUGH TO THE APPROPRIATE PERSON. AND THAT WILL BE WITHIN OUR PARKS RANGER PROGRAM, OR ESPECIALLY FOR A WEEKEND LIKE THAT, ARE THE OFFENSES CIVIL OFFENSES CITATIONS? WHERE WHERE IS THAT? WHERE IS THAT NUMBER COMING FROM AND WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, BUT IF I'M GOING TO HOST A BASEBALL TOURNAMENT AND IT'S FOR PERSONAL GAIN, AND IN A SMALL PARK AND I CAN GET AWAY WITH IT AND THE FINES $100, BUT I MADE 2000IN GATE FEES. I'LL PAY THE HUNDRED BUCKS. COUNCIL MEMBER REED HAD US ADDRESS THAT BY HAVING. IF IT'S YOU'RE CHARGING AN ADMISSION FEE WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, THE PENALTIES ARE HIGHER THAN IF YOU'RE SIMPLY HOLDING AN UNPERMITTED EVENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FEES ASSOCIATED. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. MAY I ADD SOMETHING, MADAM CHAIR? I'M SORRY. YES. THANK YOU. WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT YOUTH GROUPS THAT ALREADY HAVE PERMITS WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AND EXCLUDED, SO NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT WITH YOUTH GROUPS THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS AND HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH PARKS TO HAVE TOURNAMENTS OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. OKAY, COOL. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. BEAUCHAMP. THANK YOU. SO MUCH. OKAY. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, ARE YOU IN THE QUEUE? YES. I TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. SO WITH THE FEES IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER FEES, THEY SEEM EXCESSIVE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE REASONING WAS BECAUSE OF SOMEONE'S GENERATING REVENUE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THAT'S. THAT'S HOW COUNCIL MEMBER REED EXPLAINED IT TO OUR OFFICE, WHERE THE OTHER FEES CONSIDERED BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THE ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTY SECTION ONE SECTION HAS $50 TO $500 FEES, ONE SECTION HAS $1 TO $5 FEES. ONE SECTION HAS $100 FEES. AND THEN THIS ONE IS 500 TO $1000. SO WERE THOSE CONSIDERED AT ALL? THE LANGUAGE THAT ISN'T UNDERLINED WERE EXISTING PENALTIES THAT WERE FOR OTHER SECTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO PULL OUT THE CHAPTER AND LOOK UP. BUT THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T THESE PARKS PERMIT RELATED SECTIONS. BUT I'M ASKING, WERE THEY CONSIDERED

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THE SECTION ABOUT THE FEES FOR THIS SPECIFIC LEGISLATION TALK ABOUT ANY FEES INCURRED BY METRO PARKS WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED THIS. COULD PARK SPEAK TO HOW INTENSE THOSE MIGHT BE? ARE WE TALKING TRASH PICKUP DAMAGE? WHAT IS THE RANGE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE UNLIMITED. JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. I THINK YOU'VE COME UP WITH GREAT EXAMPLES OF THE KINDS OF COSTS THAT WOULD BE INCURRED FROM AN UNPERMITTED EVENT. YEAH, AND THE PERSON WOULDN'T KNOW UNTIL YOU SEND THEM AN INVOICE. RIGHT. AND HOW DOES ENFORCEMENT WORK WITH THE PERSON IN VIOLATION? IF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE MEETING AT A PARK, THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. OF COURSE, SOMEBODY I GUESS WOULD HAVE TO COMPLAIN. BUT HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHO ACTUALLY ORGANIZED THAT EVENT AND PROMOTED IT? IF NOBODY'S TELLING YOU AND BEING FORTHCOMING? THAT WOULD BE PART OF AN INVESTIGATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IN THAT CASE, I THINK MANY OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE THINKING OF HERE, THE CAR SHOW EXAMPLE, THERE'S A CLEAR PROMOTER. OFTENTIMES THOSE ARE PROMOTED. AND WE FIND OUT AFTERWARDS THAT WE JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT SOCIAL MEDIA POST BUT UNDERSTOOD. SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AN ORGANIZER IN THAT CASE. IS ANYONE FROM CODES HERE JUST TO SPEAK ABOUT THE BOARD'S CAPACITY? BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CODES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOLDING SLUMLORDS ACCOUNTABLE. BUT OF COURSE, THEY HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES. SO HAVE THEY ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THEIR CAPACITY TO ENFORCE THIS? ARE THEY HERE? NO. BUT YOU'VE TALKED WITH THEM AND THEY SAID THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ENFORCE THIS. WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. WE'VE TALKED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF ABOUT THE PROCESS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY DO THEIR WORK OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE IT WILL HELP US ESTABLISH OUR OWN PROCESS. BUT THE BOARD ITSELF, WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST, LAST RESPONSE. DO YOU HAVE CAPACITY COUNTS FOR EACH PUBLIC PARK IN OUR SYSTEM? WE HAVE A CAPACITY RATING FOR PUBLIC PARKS. NO, WE DO FOR BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES, BUT NOT THE PARKS THEMSELVES. OKAY, WELL, THIS IS IRRELEVANT THAT I WAS GOING TO SEE IF THE CO-SPONSORS WOULD BE OPEN TO BASING THAT COUNT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS INTERNAL POLICY OR IF THIS IS SOMEWHERE IN OUR CODE IN COMPARISON TO THE ACTUAL CAPACITY OF THE PARK, AS OPPOSED TO JUST BLANKETLY SAYING 250 EVERYWHERE. I WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THAT IS A RULE OF THE PARK SYSTEM, AND I JUST DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THAT THAT'S JUST THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF A WHOLE LIST OF CRITERIA THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A PERMIT. SO IT'S NOT 250 AND THIS, THIS AND THIS. IT'S OR, OR, OR SO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF REASONS WHY SOMEONE MIGHT NEED THE PERMIT FOR THE EVENT. AND THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE SITE SIZE GATHERING. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE SOME CAPACITY COUNTS OR WE DON'T HAVE ANY AT ALL. WE HAVE AS CAPACITY FOR BUILDINGS. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. MAX CAPACITY. THANK YOU. SO MUC.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE THIS IS ORDINANCE CALLING FOR ROLL CALL.

VOTE ALL THOSE WILL OPEN THE VOTING. PLEASE VOTE IS OPEN. COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. YES. OH SIX. YES. VOTES. THANK YOU. AND SO THIS WILL GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR. THANKS, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU ALL. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. AND IT IS ID 240709 JEFFERSON COUNTY EXTENSION OFFICE QUARTERLY REPORT. HEY HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE. I'M CATHERINE SHAKE. I AM THE EXTENSION DISTRICT BOARD CHAIR. I HAVE A PRESENTATION. DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT ANYWHERE? I SENT IT IN PRESENTATION. PULLED UP MY NOTES. DID YOU SEND THAT TO. I

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OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK IN THE SYSTEM. OKAY. SORRY. I HAVE IT ON MY PHONE, BUT IT'S ITTY BITT.

I CAN WING IT. WELL, WHILE SHE'S LOOKING, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU JUST START OUT WITH? I ABSOLUTELY CAN START OUT WITH. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXTENSION. AS YOU KNOW, I TOOK OVER WORKING WITH THE EXTENSION DISTRICT BOARD IN JANUARY, GOT DROPPED RIGHT INTO THIS. BUT AS THE YEAR HAS PROGRESSED, I HAVE LEARNED MORE ABOUT EXTENSION, AND I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WAY EXTENSION IS STRUCTURED. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A STATUTE THAT SAYS THE EXTENSION OFFICE HAS TO HAVE AN AG AND NATURAL RESOURCES AGENT AND AN FCS AGENT, WHICH IS FAMILY CONSUMER SCIENCES. THE STATE HAS A STATUTE THAT SAYS THE EXTENSION OFFICE HAS TO HAVE A FOUR-H AGENT. SO BY MANDATE, WE HAVE THOSE THREE AGENTS. NOW, JEFFERSON COUNTY, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LARGE COUNTY, THE EXTENSION DISTRICT BOARD, WITH THE MONEY THAT WE GOT FROM METRO LOUISVILLE, HAS FUNDED A SECOND FOUR-H AGENT. WE ALSO HAVE SOME PROGRAM ASSISTANTS THAT WORK WITH THE FOUR-H AGENTS. WE HAVE A HORTICULTURE AGENT, AND WE HAD A COMMUNITY GARDEN MANAGER. WHAT HAPPENED TO HER? JUST NO MONEY. THE COMMUNITY GARDEN MANAGER WAS LET GO AT THE END OF THE GARDENING SEASON. THAT POSITION WAS SEASONAL AND IT WAS TEMPORARY. OKAY. OUR AG AGENT HAS LEFT. SO THE BUDGET THAT WE WERE GOT FROM METRO LOUISVILLE WAS $335,000. THAT $335,000 COVERS THINGS LIKE RENT. IT COVERS UTILITIES, IT COVERS THE SALARY OF OUR SECOND FOUR-H AGENT. IT COVERED A BOOKKEEPING, SUPPORT STAFF PERSON. IT COVERS OFFICE SUPPLIES, THE PHONE SYSTEM, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT $182,000 FOR METRO LOUISVILLE INSTEAD OF THE 335. AND AT THE $335,000 FUNDING LEVEL, WE HAD $0 FOR PROGRAMING.

SO I HAVE THESE SLIDES, AND WHEN THEY COME UP, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID. BUT HERE IS MY BIG FEAR. IT COST OVER $300 FOR A CHILD TO GO TO FOUR-H CAMP. WE SENT 250 KIDS TO FOUR-H CAMP FROM JEFFERSON COUNTY. THE PROBLEM IS, OTHER COUNTIES ARE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE COSTS, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THE COST ON AN INCOME BASED PLAN FOR STUDENTS WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND MY CONCERN FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY IS WITH ZERO PROGRAMING DOLLARS, ONLY THE KIDS WHOSE PARENTS CAN AFFORD TO PAY OVER $300 FOR FOUR-H CAMP GET TO GO.

THE VERY PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REACH ARE BEING PRICED OUT OF THE ABILITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE SERVICES. SO CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN? WHAT ARE THE MANDATES FROM THE STATE? THE STATE SAYS THAT I HAVE TO HAVE A AN AG AND NATURAL RESOURCE AGENT. I HAVE TO HAVE AN FCS AGENT AND I HAVE TO HAVE A FOUR-H AGENT, FC H FCS IS FAMILY CONSUMER SCIENCES. GOTCH.

OKAY. NOW, DO YOU NEED ME TO MOVE OVER HERE SO I CAN PRESS THIS BUTTON? YEAH. THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY. LET ME DO THAT. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO. Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME NOW BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MONEY PART OF IT, LET ME JUST BRIEFLY GIVE YOU THIS OVERVIEW OF WHAT EXTENSION DID IN THE LAST QUARTER. OKAY. OKAY. I'M HITTING THE BUTTON AND NOTHING'S MOVING. WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO? THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHERE I GAVE YOU THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE STATUTES AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE. AND WE HAD REQUESTED 335,000 BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD BEEN GETTING FROM METRO LOUISVILLE. BUT EVEN AT THE $335,000 LEVEL, WE HAD NO MONEY FOR PROGRAMING.

WE WERE JUST COVERING OUR BASIC COSTS, AND OUR BUDGET WAS CUT TO $182,500. NOW, I'M GOING TO BE REAL WITH YOU ALL HERE AT $182,000. I CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THAT EXTRA FOR EACH AGENT. THE EXTRA ONE. BUT THE ONE THAT JEFFERSON COUNTY WAS FUNDING. BECAUSE WE'RE SUCH A LARGE COUNTY, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO SO MANY PEOPLE. RIGHT. WE ARE. I'M GOING TO THIS

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THEY REACHED OVER 550 PARTICIPANTS. THEY TOUCHED 19 METRO DISTRICTS AND THE DISTRICTS. THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT PROGRAMS THEY DID AND THE DISTRICTS THAT THEY TOUCHED ARE INCLUDED IN THE FULL REPORT THAT I SUBMITTED. THEY DID FOR OUR SUMMER CAMP. THEY DID ALL THESE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. THEY HATCH AND EGGS AND CLASSROOM. OVER 2000 EGGS ARE HATCHED IN CLASSROOMS EVERY YEAR. SO THIS IS WHAT FOUR-H DOES IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, OKAY. THE AG AND NATURAL RESOURCES, THEY WE HAD ONE AND OUR AGENT, WE HAD A HAWK TECHNICIAN, WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY GARDEN AGENT MANAGER. WE HAD 14 DISTRICT SERVES. THEY USED $2,874 OF DISTRICT BOARD FUNDS.

NOW THEY USED A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY THAN THAT. BUT I GOT THAT MONEY FROM THE STATE BECAUSE I BEGGED, YOU KNOW, THE STATE HAD AN URBAN AG GRANT, AND THEY ALLOWED US TO USE SOME OF THAT MONEY IN COMMUNITY GARDENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THIS YEAR, FOR THIS YEAR. OKAY. THEY MANAGE THE COMMUNITY GARDENS. NOW, COMMUNITY GARDENS ON THE SURFACE IS JUST A GREAT PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS SPACE. WE'RE GOING TO LET ALL THESE PEOPLE GROW THINGS. ADMINISTERING THE COMMUNITY GARDENS IS REALLY TOUGH. YEAH. THERE'S WATER, THERE'S TRASH PICKUP, THERE'S PORTLETS. THERE ARE ISSUES WITH GARDENERS LEAVING THE WATER RUNNING FOR DAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT. THERE'S NEEDLES IN THE PORTLETS WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING THEM. THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING IN THE GARDENS. YOU'RE RUNNING HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT OF THE GARDEN. I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH TO ADMINISTER COMMUNITY GARDENS. BECAUSE OUR BUDGET WAS CUT, WE HAVE GIVEN UP MANAGING THE COMMUNITY GARDENS. THAT WAS $56,000 IN EXPENSES THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR. WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO FIND PEOPLE TO TAKE OVER THE COMMUNITY GARDENS. I THINK THERE'S 1 OR 2 OF THEM LEFT. ONE OF THEM, UNFORTUNATELY, IS AT SEVENTH STREET, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, AND I DON'T HAVE A MANAGER FOR THAT GARDEN BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST PREVALENT, PROBLEMATIC GARDEN. NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE IT ON. SO ALONG WITH THAT, LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS. YES, MA'AM. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE COMMUNITY GARDENS ARE NOW NOT UNDER YOU? NO. THEY ARE NOT. AND WHO? SO CATHOLIC CHARITIES TOOK A COUPLE OF THEM. THE LIMERICK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS TAKEN A COUPLE OF THEM. METRO PARKS HAS TAKEN SOME OF THEM THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PARKS. OKAY. WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO FIND PEOPLE TO TAKE THOSE GARDENS OVER. HONESTLY, THAT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE EXTENSION'S ROLE.

WE WERE ASKED TO DO IT AND WE WERE DOING IT. YEAH, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT. AND IT AND IT IT IS AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT JOB. YEAH I CALLED I KNOW I TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT THIS. I CALLED THE CITY OF PORTLAND. THEY HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL LARGE COMMUNITY GARDEN RANGER PROGRAM. THEY ALSO HAVE A WHOLE FLEET OF PARK RANGERS THAT DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART FOR THEM. THEY RUN THE HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT OF THE GARDENS, AND THEY DEAL WITH DISPUTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHEREAS WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE THAT WERE PAYING $10 AN HOUR TO GO OUT AND DO THIS, IT'S TOUGH, RIGHT? IT IS. SO ANYWAYS, THE AG DEPARTMENT ALSO DOES ALL OF THE SOIL TESTING. THEY DID A SERIES ON RAISING BACKYARD CHICKENS. THEY DID AN NC, NC, NRCS FIELD DAY. THEY WORK WITH THE AG DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND THE CAPE PROGRAM, WHICH ALSO WHICH BRING MONEY BACK INTO THROUGH A GRANT PROGRAM INTO METRO LOUISVILLE. THEY DISTRIBUTED COVER CROP SEEDS FOR PEOPLE THAT HAD GARDENS. THEY CREATED A SEED LIBRARY. SO THEY DID A BUNCH OF PROGRAMS IN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY GARDENS. NOW, AGAIN, MY AG AGENT

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SO AND AGAIN, HERE'S MY SLIDE ABOUT THE LACK OF FUNDING HURTS THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE BECAUSE I CAN'T SUPPLEMENT. I CAN'T DO INCOME BASED FOUR-H PROGRAMS. I CAN'T PROVIDE SUPPLIES FOR PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW? AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SOME MORE CUTS IF WE DON'T GET FUNDING. NOW, METRO LOUISVILLE HAS A BUDGET SURPLUS OF $16 MILLION. WE WERE TOLD THAT IN DECEMBER WE COULD GET ANOTHER $100,000. I'M HERE TO ASK FOR THAT $100,000. IF I DON'T GET THAT $100,000, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CUT STAFF, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING LEFT TO CUT. THERE ARE ONLY FIVE COUNTIES IN KENTUCKY THAT DON'T HAVE A TAX THAT FUNDS THEIR EXTENSION OFFICE. SO EXTENSION IN JEFFERSON COUNTY IS DEPENDENT UPON THE GENEROSITY OF METRO LOUISVILLE. SO I AM ASKING FOR SOMEONE ON THE METRO LOUISVILLE COUNCIL TO MAKE THIS THEIR CAUSE AND HELP US GET FUNDING. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THIS OUR CAUSE. I REALLY APPRECIATE I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE. THE SURPLUS DOLLARS THAT WERE ALLOTTED PER DISTRICT. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND SOME OF THAT MONEY EITHER WAY, AND DISTRICT 25 WILL BE PUTTING IN, I'M SORRY, DISTRICT 14 WILL BE PUTTING IN $25,000. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND WE HAVE OTHERS THAT ARE GOING TO JOIN. AND I THINK WE'RE UP TO 65. SO FEEL FREE. SO THIS IS MY YOU KNOW, MY DREAM FOR EXTENSION WOULD BE TO HAVE A PROGRAMING BUDGET FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PAY THEM AND THEN HAVE A PROGRAMING BUDGET. I WOULD LOVE TO OFFER SCHOLARSHIPS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE FARM BUREAU OFFICE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS FOR THE LAST YEAR. I'M TRYING TO HIRE SOMEBODY FOR THAT OFFICE.

WHEN I GET SOMEBODY TRAINED IN THAT OFFICE, I'M GOING TO TRY TO RUN A PROGRAM WHERE YOU SPONSOR A KID FOR EACH CAMP. IT JUST HURTS MY HEART THAT THESE KIDS ARE PRICED OUT OF THESE EXPERIENCES. RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOUISVILLE IS THE JEFFERSON COUNTY IS THE LARGEST COUNTY, THE MOST PROSPEROUS COUNTY IN KENTUCKY. AND WE ARE STARVING OUR EXTENSION OFFICE TO DEATH. YEAH, I AGREE, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET PAST IT. AND I'M ASKING FOR HELP. YEAH, I HOPE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT SEE THE NEED AND WILL, AND I'LL. AND I'LL TELL YOU AFTER I GET THE 100,000 WHERE I CAN PAY MY STAFF IF WE WANT TO EARMARK THE MONEY AND SAY, THIS IS MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FOR PROGRAMING TO GET KIDS TO CAMP.

I'M FINE WITH THAT. THIS IS MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE, YOU KNOW, FOR A SPECIFIC FOR, YOU KNOW, SOIL TESTING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEAD IN THEIR SOIL. YOU KNOW, I AM FINE WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PAY OUR PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB.

YEAH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, THANK YOU. I WISH WE WOULD HAVE

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YEAH. AND I DID MAKE A PHONE CALL TO THE MAYOR YESTERDAY CONCERNING THIS AND, YOU KNOW, TOLD HIM OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO HELP TO SPONSOR AND PAY TOWARDS THAT 100,000.

BUT I WANTED HIM TO KNOW HOW THIS NEEDED TO BE IN THE GENERAL FUND LINE ITEM BUDGET. AND I HOPE THAT HE HEARD ME. THAT'S ALL I CAN DO. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP. OKAY. SO I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP EITHER. I'LL HAVE A REPORT AT THE END OF THE QUARTER, WHICH WOULD BE DECEMBER, WHICH HOPEFULLY I CAN GET IT HERE IN JANUARY. I'LL BE BACK AGAIN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I BELIEVE THAT IS OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN HONORED TO CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE OVER THE LAST EIGHT, NINE YEARS. AND EXCEPT FOR LAST YEAR, I THINK COUNCILMAN ARTHUR HAD IT FOR A FEW. YEAH, HE DID, BUT IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. YES. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO AND ALL THE APPLICATION THAT YOU DO, SEEN AND UNSEEN FOR

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YES, SIR. YES MAY BE OUT OF ORDER, BUT YEAH WE'D LIKE TO OKAY. SURE. SELF-OPERATED HERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. I'M GREG BASHAM, THE PGA PROFESSIONAL AT IROQUOIS GOLF COURSE. AND ON BEHALF OF ALL THE PGA MEMBERS, YOU ALL WANT TO COME UP. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, SPECIAL, FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR GOLF, FOR THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, FOR COUNCIL. I GREW UP PLAYING GOLF 40 YEARS AGO IN THE SYSTEM. BEEN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE. GOLF NOW IS THE BEST IT'S EVER BEEN. STATE AND MAJORITY OF IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU. SO WE JUST WANT TO TELL YO, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DONE WITH GOLF AND SPECIAL FOR ME. THANK YOU FOR BEING A SPECIAL FRIEND FOR MY FAMILY AND I. AND GOOD LUCK ON YOUR NEXT CHAPTER. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS.

IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO WORK WITH YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? JUST ANOTHER. WE JUST ALL WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. AND IT WAS YOUR PASSION AND SINCERITY.

LEARNING ABOUT GOLF AND HELPING US CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OUR COURSES. WE'VE CREATED A SURPLUS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE IT BETTER. THANK YOU. SO WHO'S GOING TO TEACH ME TO PLAY GOLF? THAT'S THE NOW YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR FREE LESSONS. CINDY, I GOT A COUPLE OF LESSONS FOR YOU AT THE COURSE AT CRESCENT HILL. THANK YOU. THANK

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