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          OKAY. WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING. FIFTH. IS IT THE FIFTH? FIFTH MEETING OF THE AD 
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HOC COMMITTEE ON LAND USE. THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE MY FRAME OF MIND IS TODAY. I'M JOINED BY MY. I'M 
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THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, ANDREW OWEN. I'M JOINED BY MY VICE CHAIR, KHALIL CHAN. WE'RE JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILWOMAN BETSY ROONEY, JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILWOMAN JENNIFER CHAPPELL. AND. SORRY, JENNIFER, I WAS DISTRACTED AND JOINED ONLINE BY COUNCILMAN DAN SEIM. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO, AT THIS LAST COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE YEAR, WANTED PLANNING STAFF, PLANNING AND DESIGN STAFF TO COME IN AND JUST KIND OF GIVE US 
          [1. ID 24-0739     OVERVIEW/SUMMARY – HOUSING AND MIXED DEVELOPMENT – Brian Davis, Office of Planning   ]
A KIND OF WRAP THINGS UP AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE THINGS STAND. AND HERE'S WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE KIND OF GOING FORWARD. AND THEN I'LL KIND OF FOLLOW THAT UP WITH WHAT I THINK MY EXPECTATIONS, WHAT OURPECTATION. SO LET'S START WITH BRIAN. IF YOU'LL KIND OF DO A QUICK PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO JUST AS COUNCILMAN OWEN SAID, JUST GOING TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE, BOTH IN OUR OFFICE AND OVER HERE AT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW, EXPAND UPON WHATEVER WE PRESENT HERE. AS A REMINDER, THIS PAST YEAR WAS THE FOURTH YEAR THAT OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM PROJECT. 
          THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT BEGAN IN THE SUMMER OF 2020, WHEN THE LOUISVILLE METRO COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION ASKING US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FROM A, YOU KNOW, LIKE THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS AND SEE HOW YOU KNOW, WHAT REVISIONS WE MAY OR MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN 2040 AND TO INCREASE HOUSING CHOICES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AS FAR AS THE AD HOC COMMITTEE GOES, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF TEN MEETINGS IN 2024, INCLUDED A NUMBER OF TOPICS, INCLUDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE DONE IN OUR OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENTS, MIDDLE HOUSING WAS A BIG TOPIC THAT WE COVERED FACTORY BUILT HOUSING, WHICH WE WILL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER ON. THE TOPIC OF INCLUSIONARY ZONING AND HOUSING, WHERE WE HAD SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM MONTGOMERY, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE THERE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FINANCE OPTIONS, SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT WE SEE WITHIN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY GET IN THE WAY OF PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN WE GAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY, WHICH IS GOING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID AS AN OFFICE IN 2024, WE CAN CONTINUED OUR ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITY WITH THE COMMUNITY. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO DO OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE GO OUT, YOU KNOW, GET OUTSIDE OF OUR OFFICE AND KIND OF GET OUT INTO THE PUBLIC WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE. THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ON THEIR TURF, IF YOU WOULD, AND JUST GO AND TALK ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING IN GENERAL. AND SO WE CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR ZONING MATTERS MEETINGS AT THE LIBRARIES AROUND TOWN. WE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON THE MIXED HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY, AS WELL AS THE MIDDLE HOUSING, OPEN HOUSES, WE CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF PUBLIC WORKSHOPS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THOSE ITEMS. WE ALSO ONE THING THAT WE DID THIS YEAR. SO IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE DID A MIDDLE HOUSING WALKING TOUR, BUT THIS YEAR WE DID ONE IN SPANISH. AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERN AND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WITHIN OUR OFFICE LEAD THIS THIS MIDDLE HOUSING TOUR COMPLETELY IN SPANISH. AND SO IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE PERSPECTIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WHO, YOU KNOW, MAY SPEAK ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR PRIMARY LANGUAGE ISN'T ENGLISH. AND SO WE WERE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS SUMMER. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST THE, YOU KNOW, OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE RELATED TO JUST INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BOTH HERE AND THEN ALSO WITH THE URBAN DESIGN STUDIO AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY HAVE AS PART OF THAT. THIS PAST MONTH, JOE DOC APPEARED ON A AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION WEBINAR TO TALK ABOUT HARLEM BARTHOLOMEW AND HIS LEGACY AS A PLANNER. BOTH GOOD AND BAD. AND THEN I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO COUNT HOW MANY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT WE WENT AND SPOKE TO IN 
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REGARDS TO JUST PLANNING IN GENERAL. SO WHAT DID WE GET ACCOMPLISHED? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ESPECIALLY PROUD OF GETTING ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR WAS THE LIFTING, THE PORTLAND MORATORIUM. BACK IN 2008, THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN WAS ADOPTED. AND AS PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH REQUIRED A CATEGORY THREE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT CREATED A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO WHETHER YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, ACQUIRED A VACANT PROPERTY AND BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR YOU WERE DOING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT REQUIRED A CATEGORY THREE REVIEW AS PART OF THAT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME RESEARCH THAT WE DID AND SOME COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH PORTLAND, NOW, AS WELL AS THE METRO COUNCILWOMAN, DONNA PURVIS, WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, LIFT THAT MORATORIUM BECAUSE A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT HAD BEEN PLACED IN THE IN THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN HAD ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED. AND SO WE FELT THAT IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO GO AHEAD AND LIFT THAT MORATORIUM AND TO EASE THOSE RESTRICTIONS, ESPECIALLY ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE SINGLE FAMILY REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE SEEING, REALLY A LOT OF COMING TO OUR OFFICE AND BEING REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THIS ADDITIONAL PROCESS JUST TO CONSTRUCT A HOUSE ON A PROPERTY. OUR FACTORY BUILT HOUSING REGULATIONS. SO BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2023, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION ASKING US TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IN REGARDS TO MANUFACTURED HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES, WHICH HAVE NOW BEEN COMBINED UNDERNEATH ONE REGULATION FOR OUR FACTORY BUILT HOME REQUIREMENTS. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY WE SPOKE WITH, WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN JUST, YOU KNOW, BOTH FACTORY BUILT HOUSING AS WELL AS STICK BUILT HOUSING. AND WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH REGULATIONS THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JULY. AND JUST VERY RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THAT THAT ORDINANCE DID PASS THROUGH METRO COUNCIL. 
          SO THAT IS NOW A REGULATION NOW. AND SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WITH ZONING AUTHORITY TO SEE IF THEY, TOO, ARE INTERESTED IN ADOPTING THESE REGULATIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TACKLED THIS YEAR AS WELL WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT WERE GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS. WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WERE SEEING A LOT THAT WERE CONSTANTLY BEING APPROVED AND WHAT CHANGES COULD WE MAKE TO THOSE IN ORDER TO BASICALLY EASE THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO COME IN AND MAKE THOSE REQUESTS? ONE OF THOSE HAD TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS WAS WHERE I SAY, YOU HAVE AN EXISTING HOUSE, YOU'RE DOING AN EXPANSION OF THAT HOUSE EITHER VERTICALLY OR ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE. WHAT WE WERE, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF THEY WERE IN A HOUSE THAT THAT HAD A SETBACK THAT DOESN'T CONFORM TO TODAY'S SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE IN ORDER TO JUST EXPAND THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, EQUAL TO WHERE THE FOOTPRINT IS NOW. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT THAT CAME THROUGH WITH THIS, AS WELL AS THE CHANGE TO THE PRIVATE YARD AREA REQUIREMENTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON HOMES AND TRADITIONAL FORM DISTRICTS. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO MINIMIZE THOSE. AND WE FIGURED IF WE WILL ELIMINATE ABOUT 30 VARIANCES A YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS FOR HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST BY MAKING A COUPLE OF SIMPLE CHANGES. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO EASING, EASING OUR BURDEN AT BOTH IN 2025. LET'S SEE THAT THAT I TALKED OVER THIS. YES. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WAS HER BACK IN SEPTEMBER THAT DID THAT PASSED THROUGH METRO COUNCIL AS WELL. OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT WE DID IN 2024. THE FLOYDS FORK SPECIAL ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT WAS REGULATIONS FOR THAT WAS APPROVED, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK. YOU KNOW, WE WERE WORKING ON THAT EITHER BETWEEN A YEAR AND A HALF OR 30 YEARS. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE REALLY EXCITED TO FINALLY GET THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE IN HAVE BEEN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER THREE FOR SO LONG. 
          GET THOSE CHANGED OVER TO REGULATIONS, WHICH WE'RE NOW, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING AGAINST DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT ARE OCCURRING WITHIN THAT AREA. WE MADE CHANGES TO THE SMOKING RETAIL REGULATIONS AS WELL AS THE CHARITABLE GAMING REGULATIONS, THE MEDICINAL CANNABIS REGULATIONS. WE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS THAT THE STATE PASSED IN THE DURING THE 2023 GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WE HAD TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH REGULATIONS FOR THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S DECEMBER 16TH, WE'LL FIND OUT WHERE SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES WILL WHO WILL BE AWARDED THOSE. AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, BOTH BY METRO COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE SUBURBAN CITIES WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO ADOPT THOSE. AND THEN WE DID WORK ON THREE AREA WIDE REZONINGS FOR METRO 
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OWNED PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZED TO HOPEFULLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WE DID THREE DISTRICT 15 LANDMARK REQUESTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH ANOTHER ANOTHER INITIATIVE THAT WE HAD WORKED ON EARLIER IN THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT OVER HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES WAS THE PRE-APPROVED PLANS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. THIS IS WHERE WE WORKED WITH THE AARP TO HAVE KIND OF A CHALLENGE TO ARCHITECTS TO COME UP WITH IDEAS TO COME UP WITH A SET OF PLAN OF READY PLANS, WHERE IF PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN COMING IN AND CONSTRUCTING ONE OF THESE UNITS IN THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THOSE PLANS FOR FREE OF CHARGE AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD THAT COMPETITION AND HAVE THREE SETS OF PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE MARCH. AND SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UTILIZING THOSE AND SOME BUILDING PERMIT REQUESTS. AND THEN ALSO WE DID ALSO WORKED AGAIN WITH AARP WITH AS PART OF THEIR LIVABLE, LIVABLE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM TO DO A PRODUCE A YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT TALKS ABOUT A PROPERTY OWNER HERE IN LOUISVILLE, JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH TO UTILIZE THOSE 80 ADU PLANS THAT ARE PRE-APPROVED AND CONSTRUCT A UNIT ON THEIR SITE. AND SO THAT THAT VIDEO IS OUT THERE AND IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE PENDING ARE IN IN PROGRESS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON. OF COURSE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON MIDDLE HOUSING, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF, MIDDLE HOUSING IS A TERM THAT'S USED TO DESCRIBE A RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND LARGER APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE SIMILAR IN HEIGHT AND FORM TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE PRESENTATION ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF MIDDLE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE HERE IN LOUISVILLE. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR ZONING REGULATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION METHODS OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PERMITTED IN LIKE SINGLE FAMILY AREAS ANYMORE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DRAFT REGULATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, YOU CAN GO TO OUR OUR WEBSITE LOUISVILLE, KY.GOV/MIDDLE HOUSING AND YOU CAN READ THE DRAFT. WE DO PLAN ON HAVING AN UPDATED DRAFT OF THAT REGULATION AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC SOMETIME AROUND THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. THE INITIAL DRAFT WENT OUT LAST MARCH, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN YOU KNOW, WE HELD AGAIN A NUMBER OF OPEN HOUSES TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE. WE VISITED CITIES AND COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE COUNTY TO GET FEEDBACK. AND SO WE WILL SOON BE UNVEILING THE UPDATED DRAFT OF THAT AS WE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO MOVE AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY. CAN I STOP YOU THERE FOR A SECOND, BRIAN? FIRST OF ALL, CHERYL, WILL YOU READ THE WE DIDN'T READ THE OH, I NEED TO READ BEFORE. WILL YOU READ THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. CHERYL. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT COUNCILWOMAN SHAMEKA PARRISH WRIGHT HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY. SO I WAS SO THE FIRST VERSION OF THAT CAME OUT IN MARCH. AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING THAT IN JANUARY. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW MANY OR WHAT CHANGES WE SHOULD EXPECT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO VERSIONS, HOW MUCH YOU CHANGED AND THAT SORT OF THING? SURE. NOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT MIDDLE HOUSING WOULD BE PERMITTED ON ROADS THAT AREN'T UP TO CODE AND SO AREN'T EITHER 18FT, WHICH IS IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR 20FT BASED ON THE FIRE CODE, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT TUESDAY, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. SO WE'VE WE'VE MADE SOME AMENDMENTS BASED ON ON, ON ROAD CONDITIONS, WHETHER SIDEWALKS ARE AVAILABLE OR NOT. SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS CONNECTING TO LIKE A NEARBY ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR LEVEL ROADWAY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE'VE HAD COMMENTS ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF MIDDLE HOUSING THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ON A BLOCK. AND SO WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO AMEND THAT NUMBER. WE'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING AT JUST SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT ONCE WE GET THE FINAL VERSION OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A RED LINE VERSION WITH SOME NOTES IN THERE THAT TALK ABOUT WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET FROM THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S HELPFUL. I MEAN, I THINK JUST TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, WE HAVE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF PUSHBACK ON ON MIDDLE HOUSING FROM PARTICULARLY FROM A LOT OF OUR SMALLER CITIES AND SUBURBAN COLLEAGUES AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF AT LEAST SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME FROM THOSE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD WITH WITH PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SURE. YEAH. NO, WE REACHED OUT DIRECTLY TO THE JEFFERSON COUNTY LEAGUE OF CITIES AND PRESENTED INFORMATION TO THEM AND ASKED THEM FOR FEEDBACK AND ALL THAT'S 
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BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE INTO THE NEXT DRAFT THAT WE'LL BE RELEASING. ALL RIGHT. THE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY, I ALLUDED TO THAT EARLIER. SO THIS WAS FUNDED BY METRO COUNCIL IN FISCAL FISCAL YEAR 2024. AND PLANNING FOR THE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT BEGAN IN JULY OF 2023. ULTIMATELY ULTIMATELY, WE SELECTED OPTICOS DESIGN TO COME IN AND CONDUCT THE RESEARCH AND TO PUT TOGETHER THIS STUDY. I WON'T GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT OVER PLANNING COMMISSION THIS AFTERNOON. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER. BASICALLY THE FOCUS OF THE MAP IS TO OR THE OF THE STUDY PRODUCES THIS ANALYSIS MAP. AND SO WHAT THE ANALYSIS MAP, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITY CENTERS AROUND THE CITY AND CREATED DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANCHORS BASED ON THE ACTIVITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SURROUNDS THEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE READ THE DRAFT, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE ABOUT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY MAKE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS AND ABLE TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE DENSITY IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ACTIVITY CENTERS, INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE. YOU KNOW, REALLY THE ONLY LIMIT LIMITATIONS ON HAVING, YOU KNOW, EITHER ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS ARE THINGS THAT ARE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THERE. WE'RE NOT ADOPTING ANY KIND OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES WITH THAT. RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ONLY THING THEY'RE DOING IS ADOPTING IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT THE STUDY AND INCORPORATE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN 2040. BUT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ABOUT THIS STUDY ON OUR WEBSITE. THIS IS THE ADDRESS THERE. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE OFFICE OF PLANNING PAGE, YOU CAN CLICK AND FIND THE HOUSING MIXED USE STUDY PRETTY EASILY. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE HAVE BEEN TAKING COMMENTS FOR MONTHS ON THIS ONE AS WELL. I THINK THE INITIAL DRAFT WENT OUT IN OCTOBER. WE WENT TO PLANNING COMMITTEE AT THE END OF OCTOBER, AND THEN THEY SET THE PLANNING HEARING DATE A MONTH OUT FROM THERE. 
          JUST SO TO GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL TIME PERIOD IN ORDER TO GATHER FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO IF I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT AS WELL. AND I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS HERE. SO IF THAT IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS AFTERNOON AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE, IS THAT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? RIGHT? YEAH. THEN WHAT? SO THEN WHAT WILL THAT MEAN FROM A KIND OF ON THE GROUND STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE. BUT THEN AS A FOLLOW UP, THEN WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT NEED TO FOLLOW? SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST ACCEPTING THE STUDY BASICALLY. OR YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE WILL BE AND THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A SPECIFIC PROPOSALS COMING OUT OF THAT THAT THEN WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE UP AGAIN NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, SO IF THIS IS ADOPTED AGAIN, THE MAP IS JUST AN EXISTING CONDITIONS AS THEY ARE TODAY. YOU KNOW. BUT BUT THE YOU KNOW IN THEORY IF IT'S ADOPTED AS A CORE GRAPHIC TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN THAT COULD BE USED AS JUSTIFICATION TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO KIND OF JUSTIFY THEM, JUSTIFIED DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AROUND THE COMMUNITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU'D HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL CORE GRAPHIC THAT WOULD BE THERE. AND THEN THE, THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD EITHER NEED A LIKE A RESOLUTION FROM METRO COUNCIL OR A RESOLUTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKING STAFF TO, TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THOSE FURTHER. AND THEN WE WOULD BASICALLY DO, YOU KNOW, TREAT THAT LIKE ANY OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A BRAINSTORMING SESSION, WE WOULD GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, WE'D COME UP WITH A DRAFT. WE'D WE'D, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT COMMENTS ON THAT DRAFT, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ALL THE CITIES WITH THE ZONING AUTHORITY FOR, FOR ANY KIND OF ADOPTION CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. LET'S SEE OTHER PENDING AMENDMENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE. THE REVISED PLAN NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE THAT WAS INITIATED FROM A RESOLUTION FROM METRO COUNCIL BACK EARLIER THIS SPRING. THOSE ARE GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY AS WELL. WE ALSO HAVE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS RIGHT NOW. ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS. IF SOMEONE CONTINUOUSLY IS IN VIOLATION OF A OF A ZONING REGULATION, AND WE GO OUT THERE AND WE CITE THEM AND CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS AND CITATIONS AS THOSE PILE UP, IF 
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YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM TO COURT TO REMEDY THOSE, THEY GO TO CRIMINAL COURT. AND SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, CRIMINAL COURTS HAVE A LOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DEAL WITH THAN THAN ZONING VIOLATIONS. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES THOSE GET THROWN OUT. AND SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH RIGHT NOW IS TO CHANGE THOSE TYPES OF THE ZONING VIOLATIONS FROM CRIMINAL TO CIVIL. AND SO THAT WOULD KIND OF CHANGE THAT. AND GIVE US KIND OF A BETTER A BETTER PATHWAY TO MOVING THROUGH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM VERSUS WHAT IT IS NOW. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. AND AS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, RECENTLY, METRO COUNCIL HAS OR ASKED US PASSED A RESOLUTION ASKING US TO TAKE A LOOK AT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND THE REGULATIONS AS THEY RELATED TO THE R5, A AND R5 BE DISTRICTS. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS THIS YEAR, AND WE'VE HAD SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS OR PUBLIC MEETINGS RELATED TO HOMELESS AND CRISIS SHELTERS. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT KIND OF GOT CAUGHT UP IN HOUSE BILL 388. AND SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO GET FEEDBACK AND WORK ON A DRAFT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF BEHIND THE MORATORIUM THAT WAS PUT ON US BY THE STATE ON ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE VERY RECENTLY. WE ALSO HAD REQUESTS TO LOOK AT THE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT ALONG SUBSTANDARD ROADS. SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE KENTUCKY TRANSPORTATION CABINET AND PUBLIC WORKS AND THE FIRE CHIEFS ON THAT ONE. AND THEN WE GOT TWO MORE REQUESTS TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS IN DISTRICT 15. AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG, I'M SORRY, THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG SUBSTANDARD ROADS, DID THAT COME OUT OF PLANNING? COMBINING PLANNING COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON TUESDAY? YES. SO WE'LL WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE NEXT THURSDAY. BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. AND I WAS IMPRESSED THAT IT WAS ALREADY ON YOUR SLIDE. YEAH. OH YEAH. NO. 
          YEAH. WE EXTREMELY RECENTLY RIGHT. YEAH. WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT THOSE TWO REQUESTS THAT WERE ON THERE THIS WEEK. WE'VE GOT THEM ON OUR RADAR JUST IN CASE THINGS GO AS EXPECTED NEXT THURSDAY. SO YEAH. BUT THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YOU KNOW AGAIN YOU KNOW WE WE'RE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF KIND OF, YOU KNO, LOOKING LOOKING INWARD AT OUR PROCESSES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE DOING WRONG, AND TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THE OFFICE OF PLANNING DOES. AND WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO SEND COMMENTS TO US AND ATTEND PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO ATTEND PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND SO WE ARE DOING SOME WORK, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THAT RIGHT NOW, NOT ONLY AT THE OFFICE OF PLANNING, BUT THROUGHOUT THE CABINET OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM LIKE THE INITIAL IDEA ALL THE WAY TO CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THERE TO TRY AND HELP PEOPLE SO THAT IF THEY WANT TO DO A, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITION ON THEIR HOUSE OR ADD ON TO THEIR BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WILL BE CLEAR WHO THEY NEED TO COME TO AND ASK QUESTIONS. AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'RE MAKING CHANGES AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND THE PROCESS LEVEL IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HELP FOLKS THROUGH THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT CAN BE KIND OF CONFUSING AND A BIT OF A MAZE SOMETIMES. AND SO WE'VE HEARD THAT FEEDBACK. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE STARTING TO TRY AND MAKE SOME CHANGES THERE. THANK YOU BRIAN, I HAD A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION. AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS CAN CAN LET ME KNOW. AS FAR AS THE FACTORY BUILT HOUSING ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED, CAN WE DO YOU CONSIDER AND SHOULD WE CONSIDER, AT LEAST AT THIS TIME, THAT WE'VE DONE ALL THAT WE NEED TO DO RELATED TO FACTORY BUILT HOUSING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT WITHIN, WITHIN OUR CODE? OR DO WE OR ARE THERE ADDITIONAL OBVIOUSLY, EVERYTHING OVER TIME YOU KIND OF MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING CORRECTLY. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, ARE WE AT THAT POINT NOW? YEAH, I THINK WE ARE. YOU KNOW, BEFORE IF YOU WERE WANTING TO DO A, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF FACTORY BUILT HOUSING ON YOUR LOT, YOU HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL AND SO WE HAVE WE'VE EASED THAT PROCESS. WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CLEARER GUIDELINES ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND LOCATION ON PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT WE'RE WE'RE AT A GOOD POINT WITH THAT REGULATION. WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED PHONE CALLS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE REGULATIONS AND, AND TRY TO FIND AREAS IN LOUISVILLE WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, INSTALL MANUFACTURED HOUSING. AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE'RE WE'RE AT A GOOD POINT. AND SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW THE PUBLIC'S REACTION IS TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE THROUGHOUT THE NEXT YEAR. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE OR ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT TO ASK. COUNCIL, COUNCILWOMAN, PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS THIS MEETING. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO BECAUSE THE REPORT ON YOUR ACTIVITIES REALLY SHOW WHAT IT TAKES WHEN WE ALL COME TOGETHER TO REDUCE THE RED TAPE AND MAKE THE PROCESS LESS CONVOLUTED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 
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REALLY JUST INVESTING IN THEIR CITY AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR COMMUNITIES. SO AND A LARGE PART OF MY DISTRICT, WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF OUR FOLKS THAT ARE HOMEOWNERS AND HALF OF OUR FOLKS THAT RENT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DESIRE TO LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT RELATES TO BUS LINE AND LOTS OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM PEOPLE IS WHERE TO START. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PURCHASED HOMES AND OR, YOU KNOW, RENTAL PROPERTIES, AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP DO SOMETHING AROUND THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALTERNATIVE HOUSING. SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF MIDDLE HOUSING AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND ALL OF THAT. AND THEN BEING A PART OF SHIVELY, BEING A BIG PART OF MY DISTRICT, SHIVELY ALREADY HAS A LOT OF THINGS IN ZONING AND CODES, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT WHEN WE GET APPLICANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WANTED, I WANT, I WANTED PEOPLE TO HAVE A NUMBER OR A DEPARTMENT TO CALL. AND I FEEL LIKE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE GET THOSE RESPONSES. AND I WANTED TO SEE AS FAR AS LIKE STAFFING AND BUDGETING AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OR ARE THERE ANY FORESEEABLE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO AS COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING GOING FORWARD IN 2025? I KNOW THE LEGISLATION WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HELP. I'M HOPING OUT OF THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE WE GET TO HELP SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE MORATORIUM IS LIFTED. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE COULD DO? YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT STAFFING NOW. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING YEAR FOR OFFICE OF PLANNING BECAUSE IN JULY, WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ZONING ENFORCEMENT USED TO BE UNDER OUR DEPARTMENT. THEY MOVED THE CODES AND REGULATIONS. AND SO WE LOST THE WE LOST SEVEN PEOPLE THERE. AND THEN WE ARE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON THE FORMATION OF THE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF OUR PLANNERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING OUR DEPARTMENT TO BE UNDERNEATH THEIR DEPARTMENT AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER UP THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PROCESS THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE COMING IN FOR THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS, IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, ANY NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND CORRIDOR STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE LONG RANGE PLAN, PLUS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUESTS THAT WE GET. AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED. AND SO YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL BE LETTING YOU ALL KNOW FOR SUR. 
          WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN REID, COUNCILMAN BACON. THANKS, CHAIR BRIAN. WITH THAT, WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE IS THAT EXPLAIN THE REASON THAT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. 
          I HEAR. WHY DOES IT TAKE ME SO LONG TO GET MY BUILDING PERMITS? WHY DOES IT TAKE ME SO LONG TO GET STARTED ON A PROJECT? IS IT BECAUSE THE LACK OF PEOPLE THAT YOU YOU HAVE IN YOUR OFFICE, IS IT OR IS IT JUST A LACK OF THE PROCESS WHEN FROM START TO FINISH TO GET THAT PERMIT ISSUED SO A BUILDER CAN START BUILDING, WHETHER IT BE A HOME OR A MULTIFAMILY OR MANUFACTURED HOUSING? YOU KNOW, I HEAR FROM FROM THESE FOLKS THAT SAY, I CAN GO ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE, I CAN HAVE A PERMIT THAT TAKES ME SIX MONTHS TO GET IN LOUISVILLE IN 60 DAYS. SURE. NO, I YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE REGULATORY THINGS IN PLACE EITHER AT THE STATE LEVEL OR LOCAL LEVEL THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHENEVER WE'RE DOING ZONING CHANGES OR WHATEVER. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A THERE'S A, THERE'S A CERTAIN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S BUILT INTO THAT PROCESS ALONE. SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE PERFECT PLAN AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO COME IN AND REZONE A PROPERTY AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE PERFECT PLAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FOR A GOOD 4 TO 6 MONTHS JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE PLACED FOR, FOR NOTIFICATIONS AND REQUIRED MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, PLAN REVIEW OR WHATEVER. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE RUN INTO, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEY'LL CALL UP PLANNING, THEY'LL ASK US A QUESTION AND WE'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, YOU NEED TO GO AND DO, YOU KNOW, GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR GET A VARIANCE SO THAT YOU CAN DO THIS ADDITION. SO THEY THEY THEY GO THEY GET THEY GET THE PLANNING APPROVAL. BUT THEN THEY, THEY MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND GET BUILDING PERMITS. AND SO THEN THEY THEY START WORK. THEY GET A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND GET ANOTHER SET OF APPROVAL OR WHATEVER. AND SO I THINK I THINK BETWEEN THAT AND THEN JUST LIKE THE, THE KIND OF HANDING OFF FROM, FROM PLANNING TO CODES AND REGULATIONS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION REVIEW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET LOST IN THAT. AND SO THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE A STAFFING CHANGE HERE RECENTLY WHERE JOE DOC IS GOING 
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TO BE, HE'S HE'S PLANNING GOING TO BE A PLANNING MANAGER. AND HE WILL HE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A LIAISON. SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE APPLICATIONS IN PLANNING, THEN HE HE WILL WORK WITH THEM AND HELP EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, WHETHER THEY HAVE TO GO TO YOU KNOW, CODES AND REGULATIONS FOR, FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, WHETHER THEY NEED TO CONTINUE TALKS WITH MSD AND PUBLIC WORKS ON CONSTRUCTION PLANS. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE INTERNAL CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE JUST TO KIND OF HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON THERE TO ANSWER THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET LOST IN, YOU KNOW, AS THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND THEIR WAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I THINK JOE WOULD BE GREAT FOR THAT. MY QUESTION TO FOLLOW THAT UP IS, IS THERE SOMEWHERE THAT X, Y, Z NEW DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN LOOK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, I HAVE TO START HERE, I DO THIS, I DO THIS, I DO THIS LIKE A TIMELINE OR A CARD OR LIKE SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, ONE ON ONE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S EASIER ON YOU ALL. IT'S LESS QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO ANSWER. 
          HERE'S THEIR PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO START TO BEGIN. AND IF THEY ACCOMPLISH THIS CHECKBOX THEY CAN MOVE TTHIS CHECKBOX. SO ON AND SO FORTH. RIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS UPDATING OUR FLOW. KIND OF LIKE THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FLOW CHARTS. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO STOP WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH PLANNING, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE ON SO THAT YOU KNOW, OKAY, I'VE GOT MY PLANNING APPROVAL, BUT NOW I KNOW I NEED TO GO AND TALK TO THESE OTHER AGENCIES, OR I NEED TO PULL MY BUILDING PERMIT. AND WHAT'S THAT GOING TO ENTAIL? AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THA, LIKE, PEOPLE GET THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THEN THEY GET THE BUILDING PHASE AND IT'S LIKE, OH, I HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO INSTALL A SPRINKLER. THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER HOWEVER MUCH MONEY. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT IN PLACE AGAIN WITH, WITH, WITH JOE BEING THE NEW LIAISON TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO PEOPLE UP FRONT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET TO THE END OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, AND THEN THEY REALIZE, WELL, I'VE GOT THIS APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ANYMORE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL PART OF THAT, THAT KIND OF NEW PROCESS AND THE NEW FLOW CHART THAT WE HAVE WITH WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES. YEAH, WE SEE THAT A LOT. I THINK WITH SMALL BUSINESSES WHERE ESPECIALLY A SMALL BUSINESS IS TRYING TO COME UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY'RE NOT AS EDUCATED AS AS SOME OTHERS. AND WHAT IT TAKES TO DEVELOP OR CREATE A BUSINESS OR SO THEY SEE THIS EMPTY SHELL AND THEY THEY GO AND WANT TO PUT A GROCERY STORE IN THERE, BUT THEY DON'T REALIZE THEY GOT TO GET A NEW SEO CERTIFICATION OF OCCUPANCY. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE CODES AND REGS ISSUE TO SEE IF THEY NEED SPRINKLER HEADS OR HOW MANY BATHROOMS THEY NEED, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE VERY IDEAL. YEAH. COUNCILWOMAN MARIE, THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU'VE DONE, THESE INCREMENTAL STEPS CERTAINLY EASED THE BURDEN ON PEOPLE HAVING TO APPLY FOR VARIANCES AND WHATEVER AND ALL THESE REVIEWS AND THAT CERTAINLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SEAN, FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE ASKING THERE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WE KNOW THIS PROCESS INVOLVES GOING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND THIS COMMISSION AND THIS COMMISSION, WHICH MAKES THINGS DRAG OUT, MAKES THINGS LONGER. HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS ENTIRE PROCESS MOVE FASTER? SO THAT PERHAPS THINGS COULD BE BLENDED INTO ONE COMMISSION OR 1 OR 2 COMMISSIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO MAKE MULTIPLE APPEARANCES AND DRAG IT OUT? WE HAVE. YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT AGAIN, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO EVALUATE THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO REZONING, YOU DO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, THEN YOU YOU MAY HAVE A SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, DEPENDING ON IF YOU MAKE CHANGES, YOU MAY HAVE 2 OR 3 ROUNDS OF PLAN SUBMITTALS. AND REVISIONS THAT YOU DEAL WITH WITH THE AGENCIES. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR LDA, YOU GOT PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU GOT LEGISLATIVE BODY. YEAH, WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THAT TO TRY AND SEE IF THERE ARE WAYS TO KIND OF SHORTEN THAT WINDOW SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES LESS BURDENSOME FOR THEM. BUT THEN ALSO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THE PROCESSES ON ON, ON THE PROPOSALS AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT BALANCING ACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, YOU KN, THAT WE'RE STILL LISTENING TO THEM, THAT THEY THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T GET THAT CUT OUT AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          YES, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND TO HAVE THEIR CONCERNS ADDRESSED APPROPRIATELY. BUT ONCE AGAIN, YES, IT'S A VERY LONG, 
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CONVOLUTED PROCESS AND WE KNOW FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IT DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT LONG. 
          RIGHT. SO YEAH, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING A BIG PICTURE OF HOW WE CAN RORM THIS IN SOME WAY TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. THANK YOU. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADDRESS, I IT FROM THE MIXED USE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT STUDY. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHATEVER WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS TO SAY, WE WANT YOU TO FURTHER STUDY SPECIFIC RECOENDAONS TO. SO WE CAN BRING THOSE UP IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATIVE BOARD SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM AND DETERMINE WHETH WE WANT TO VE FWARDITH I WANT TO KW  TISU NEEDROM US WE GHAT  YOU AS SOON VE TO TRY TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. 
          THAT'S TO ME, A VERY EXCITING PROPOSITION, AND I WANT TO GET THAT MOVING SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT GOING FORWARD. DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTION? COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL? HI. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE WRAPPING UP THE CONVERSATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN AND SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO CHAIR OWEN AND CO-CHAIR BACHCHON FOR LEADING THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR THE LAST YEAR. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. REALLY APPRECIATE THE INSIGHT AND FORETHOUGHT THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS. I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN GREAT TO HAVE THIS COMMITTEE. I'M EXCITED TO SEE NEXT YEAR WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING LOOKS LIKE WITH THE NEW CHAIRPERSON. SINCE COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD WON'T BE WITH US ANYMORE ON COUNCIL. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT OUR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF AND SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE HOW IT GOES. BUT I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT AND SAY THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH TO OUR CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR FOR THIS COMMITTEE FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION THAT YOU'VE PUT FORTH. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. THAT'S A REALLY WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THAT KIND OF LEADS ME INTO KIND OF WHERE I WANTED TO GO NEXT, WHICH IS JUST A QUICK KIND OF WHAT I THINK THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR. OBVIOUSLY, THINGS CAN CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, BUT IT IS MY EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL NOT BE AN AD HOC LAND REVIEW COMMITTEE NEXT YEAR THAT WE WILL PICK UP THIS CONVERSATION WITHIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. WITH THAT SAI, I DO THINK THAT I DO THINK WE HAVE TOUCHED ON A NUMBER OF SUBJECTS HERE THAT ALL OF US WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS CAN BRING FORWARD WITH US. SO I DO THINK WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS. AND I WAS I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE SPECIFIC LEGISLATION THAT WOULD COME OUT THAT WE COULD PASS IN THE COMMITTEE, BUT FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS, INCLUDING HOUSE BILL THREE EIGHT, BUT ALSO INCLUDING SOME THINGS ON OUR SIDE THAT THAT WERE JUST SLOWER THAN ANTICIPATED, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT I DO THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME THINGS AND WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT. I WANTED TO THANK MY CO CHAIR FOR ASSISTING THIS YEAR WITH WITH THE COMMITTEE. I WANTED TO THANK BRIAN AND HIS TEAM BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROVIDED A TON OF SUPPORT FOR US, APPRECIATE THE WORK. YOU DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO THIS COMMITTEE, AND THEN JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND BEARING WITH ME, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN A CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE BEFORE. AND SO I WAS LEARNING ON THE JOB. AND SO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND BEARING WITH ME ON ON THAT IF, IF ANY, IF ANYBODY DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE BEFORE WE WRAP UP. NO, I DON'T I WANT TO THANK YOU TOO. I WAS REALLY COMMENTING ON BRIAN AND THEM EARLIER, BUT I DIDN'T GET TO THANK THE CHAIR AND CO CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR BEING INCLUSIVE, EVEN WITH AGENDA ITEMS. AND I THINK YOU DID GREAT LEADING THE COMMITTEE. I AND I, I WILL TRY AGAIN TO GET ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING. WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. THAT'S A HARD COMMITTEE TO GET ON. BUT IT WAS IN MY TOP THREE. 
          BUT I DO PLAN TO STAY WITH THIS BRIAN AND TEAM TO BE A PART OF ANY LEGISLATION MOVING FORWARD THAT'S RELATED. BUT THANK YOU ALL AND THANK THE WHOLE COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS
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