[Call to Order] [00:00:23] GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 402. THIS IS THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. I AM YOUR CHAIR, TAMMY HAWKINS. THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN COUNSELED FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WANT TO DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I'VE HAD A SERIES OF DEATH IN MY FAMILY, SO I WANT TO SAY I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE ABSENCE OF MYSELF UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS TODAY, I'M JOINED BY [Roll Call] THE FOLLOWING COMMITTEE MEMBERS VICE CHAIR DAN SAMS, COMMITTEE MEMBER BENSON STEWART, COMMITTEE MEMBER PAT MULVIHILL, COMMITTEE MEMBER SCOTT REED AND THAT'S IT RIGHT NOW. SO I GUESS EVERYBODY ELSE WILL JOIN US. CLERK WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE VIRTUAL MEETING LANGUAGE, PLEASE. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. TODAY. WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. HOWEVER ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR. ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN WILL BE HEARD. PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEM 8026424 WILL BE HELD AT THE REQUEST OF THE SPONSOR UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MISTER CLERK, PLEASE READ ITEM ONE INTO THE RECORD. PLEASE. UPDATES FROM VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA MID-STATES [1. ID 24-0536     UPDATES FROM VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA MID-STATES – Jennifer Hancock] JENNIFER HANCOCK. READ FULL. JOINED TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE AND THANK YOU, CHAIR HAWKINS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED TODAY BY MY COLLEAGUE RACHEL KALLENBACH AND LET ME DEFER TO YOU, CHAIR, REGARDING THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE PREPARED. DID YOU WANT US TO WALK THROUGH THIS, OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO SKIP AHEAD TO THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK YOU HAVE READY FOR US? YEAH, I THINK THAT LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND CUT TO IT AND WE CAN JUST GET RIGHT TO BUSINESS. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH GOODWILL AND OCEAN. CORRECT. AND MY COLLEAGUE RACHEL IS HERE. SHE OVERSEES OUR HEALTH AND JUSTICE DIVISIONS. AND SO I WANT TO PREPARE HER REMARKS JUST BY FRAMING THIS OUT FOR EACH OF YOU TODAY, VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA HAS A LONG HISTORY OF PROVIDING COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES ORGANIZATION, MEANING THAT WE ARE CONTRACTED TO BE ABLE TO BILL MEDICAID DIRECTLY FOR THOSE CLINICAL SERVICES THAT WE ARE RENDERING IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCE AND DEVELOPING EXPERTISE IN PROVIDING COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER SERVICES, WE HAVE THE KNOW HOW TO BE ABLE TO BUILD MEDICAID, WHICH CAN BE A SUSTAINABILITY MEASURE IN TERMS OF ONGOING REVENUES THAT CAN SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF THE TYPES OF PROGRAMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT TODAY. SO THAT'S IN OUR HEALTH DIVISION, IN OUR RESTORATIVE JUSTICE DIVISION. WE'VE BEEN PARTNERING WITH OCEAN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS TO PROVIDE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE SERVICES INSIDE THE JEFFERSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. AS WELL AS INSIDE OUR LOCAL JUDICIAL SYSTEM. THESE ARE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE SERVICES, NOT JUST BECAUSE OUR OWN VOA QUALITY ASSURANCE DIVISION VERIFIES THAT BY MEASURING OUTCOMES AND THOSE OUTCOMES INCLUDE REDUCTION OF RECIDIVISM FOR THOSE YOUTH THAT WERE ENGAGING AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO KEEP THESE YOUTH INSIDE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SAFELY PLACED IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE AN EXTERNAL EVALUATOR THAT HAS BEEN MEASURING OUTCOMES ASSOCIATED WITH RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. AND WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE'RE REDUCING RECIDIVISM BY MORE THAN HALF COMPARED TO THOSE YOUTH WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THESE SERVICES. AT ONE THIRD, THE TAXPAYER COSTS. WE'RE NOW CONTRACTING WITH THE WITH OCEAN TO PROVIDE A COMMUNITY MEDIATION CENTER SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RESOLVE DISPUTES OUTSIDE OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF SUPPORT THAT WE'RE NOW MAKING AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO RACHEL NOW TO SPEAK TO THE MOST RECENT PROJECT THAT I THINK IS THE REASON FOR OUR PRESENTATION AND OUR PRESENCE TODAY. HELLO EVERYONE. I'M RACHEL KALLENBACH, AND YES, SO WE STARTED A PARTNERSHIP WITH GOODWILL AND OCEAN TO FOR THE NEW CVI INITIATIVE. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS TWO HIRED FOR THIS INITIATIVE. WE ARE SLOTTED TO HAVE FOUR. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING THE OTHER TWO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS IDENTIFIED BY OCEAN. SO OUR STAFF RIGHT NOW HAVE THIS PROJECT STARTED I THINK IN MID [00:05:06] NOVEMBER. AND WE HAVE FOUR REFERRALS SO FAR. TWO OF THOSE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES TO BE GANG INVOLVED. AND SO OUR STAFF WILL WORK WITH THEM TO KEEP THEM SAFE AND PROVIDE THEM ANY RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS ON WHAT THEIR PLAN NEEDS TO BE. AND HOW AND WHETHER OR NOT WE REFER THOSE YOUTH TO OCEAN WHO WILL ALSO HELP WITH LONG TERM CASE MANAGEMENT AND RESOURCES. SO THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. IT IS A NEW PROJECT, AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT IS GOING TO PLAY OUT. OKAY. SO CAN YOU TELL ME EXACTL? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT I ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE CONTRACT THAT YOU ALL HAVE. CAN YOU ASSURE THAT THE ENTIRE METRO COUNCIL GETS A COPY OF THAT? YES. OKAY. AND CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH HOW MUCH WAS THAT CONTRACT FOR? 220,000. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS SO WHAT MEASURES. SO YOU DON'T HAVE A CRITERIA OF WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE. SO YOU'RE STILL KIND OF. YES. SO WE OCEAN VOA AND GOODWILL ARE MEETING MONTHLY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING. SO RIGHT NOW GOODWILL IS PART OF IS TO REFER TO US. SO THEY SEND US THE REFERRALS. AND ONCE WE GET THE REFERRAL THEN WE MAKE CONTACT WITH THE CLIENT OR THE FAMILY. AND THEN WE DEVELOP OUR OWN KIND OF CASE PLAN FOR THEM. AND THEN WE KEEP IN CONTACT WITH GOODWILL AND OCEAN ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THOSE CLIENTS. OKAY, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO BASICALLY OCEAN GAVE YOU ALL MONEY, CORRECT, TO DO THIS WORK, RIGHT? YES. BUT THIS IS WORK THAT OCEAN ALREADY SHOULD BE DOING, RIGHT? I THINK THEY ARE DOING RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE VOA COMES INTO PLAY. RIGH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, OCEAN HAS GIVEN NONPROFITS THAT ACTUALLY DO THIS WORK. THEY'VE GIVEN THEM MONEY. THERE'S BEEN SOME HICCUPS AND WE KNOW ABOUT THAT. SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ON, YOU KNOW, VOA IS A VERY CREDIBLE I'M YOU GUYS ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE. YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY FAVORITE. I JUST YOU KNOW, I'M FOLLOWING THE MONEY. SO I'M JUST I'M VERY TRANSPARENT. I'M VERY CANDID. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ON WHY YOU ALL WAS SELECTED TO BE GIVEN THE MONEY WHEN YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO YOU DO RESTORE JUSTICE. BUT TO GIVE YOU ALL THIS MONEY TO DO THIS WORK RIGHT NOW, CRIME IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. AND IT'S LIKE MONEY WAS JUST TOSSED OVER THERE JUST TO HER. LET'S PLACE THIS HERE OCEAN. SHOULD ALREADY BE DOING THIS WORK. OCEAN SHOULD ALREADY BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE NEEDS, TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU ALL WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY LOOKS LIKE, WHERE THE ISSUES ARE, WHERE THE PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS AT. WE'VE PUT A LOT OF SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO OCEAN OVER THE YEARS, AND I JUST JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WOULDN'T COST MONEY TO SAY YOU'RE DOING THIS OR YOU'RE DOING THIS WHEN REALLY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. REALLY, THIS IS JUST AN EXPERIMENT, RIGHT? SO THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS SHOULD NOT BE SPENT ANY LONGER FOR EXPERIMENTS. WE WANT RESULTS. WE WANT SOLUTIONS. BUT I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I'M JUST A FIRM BELIEVER THAT VOA IF I'VE CONNECTED YOU ALL WITH PEOPLE IN THE IN THESE SPACES THAT ACTUALLY WAS DOING THE WORK, I ASKED A QUESTION A LONG TIME AGO AND I SAID, WELL, ARE THESE NONPROFITS BEING POLICED? YOU KNOW, AND I WAS TOLD BY POWELL, NO, WE DON'T POLICE THEM. AND I REMEMBER I SAID, YOU SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SO JUST IN THE EVENT, IF THEY FUMBLE, THEN IT MAKES OSHA LOOK BAD. RIGHT. WELL, WE KNOW THAT VOA IS NOT GOING TO FUMBLE. RIGHT. BUT I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THIS FUND, WHAT WITH THESE FUNDS AND NOT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SKIPPING AROUND, SKATING AROUND. AND DEFINITELY I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS IN A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO FOR THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHEN IT CAME TO THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT WAS YOU WANTED TO PUT THE FAMILIES [00:10:03] TOGETHER TO TRY TO SEE IF YOU COULD COME TO A SOLUTION. WELL, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU KNOW IF HOMEWORK IS BEING DONE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALK TO ANYBODY IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM ACROSS THE STREET, ANY JUDGE OR ANYBODY, WHEN YOU BRING TWO FAMILIES IN THE SAME ROOM AND IT'S A HOMICIDE CASE, YOU'RE PUTTING YOURSELF IN DANGER. SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, TO ANYONE, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REMOVE BARRIERS AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION. FAMILIES, WHEN THEY'RE IN THE COURTHOUSE TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OVER THERE FIGHTING. IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS. AND I'M FOLLOWING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE END. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING ON THIS TASK. I REALLY DO, AND I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH GOODWILL. AND GOODWILL TOLD ME OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTH THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THIS WASN'T A TASK THAT THEY EVEN WANTED. THEY WAS ASKED TO TAKE THIS TASK. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT ENTITIES ARE ASKED TO TAKE THESE TASKS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INVOLVED IN. CHAIRWOMAN, IF I MAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND ON RECORD TODAY THAT WE ARE VERY EAGER TO HAVE THIS COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH OCEAN BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED NEW SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY. TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE RATE OF VIOLENT CRIME IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE ARE ALL URGENTLY TRYING TO REDUCE IT TOGETHER. AND SO WE'RE COMING TO THIS TABLE VERY WILLINGLY TO LEND OUR EXPERIENCE AROUND THE COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER COMPONENT, AROUND RESOLVING DISPUTES AND CONFLICT IN THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO JUST REASSURE YOU, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT BEING IN A POSITION TO POTENTIALLY ESCALATE CONFLICT, THAT WE ONLY BRING PARTIES TOGETHER ONCE WE'VE HAD A PRECONFERENCE WITH BOTH THE VICTIM AND THEIR CIRCLE OF SUPPORT, THE OFFENDER AND THEIR CIRCLE OF SUPPORT, AND ONLY WHEN WE DEEM THAT THOSE TWO PARTIES ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO SAFELY COME TOGETHER TO START RESOLVING DISPUTES, WOULD WE ENTER INTO THAT THIRD CIRCLE OF SUPPORT WHERE WE'RE BRINGING BOTH PARTIES TOGETHER? SO WE SHARE THAT CONCERN FOR SURE, AND WE'RE VERY CAREFUL AND VERY JUDICIOUS ABOUT HOW AND WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS AND RESOLUTION MEETINGS. SO I JUST WANT TO REASSURE YOU AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE ARE VERY EAGER TO BE A PART OF NEW AND INNOVATIVE APPROACHES AND APPRECIATE THE WORK OF DIRECTOR CALLAHAN AND HIS TEAM TO LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS TO LEVERAGE THOSE EXPERTISE THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I DO TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. YOURS. BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OCEAN, I FEEL LIKE THE OCEAN SHOULDN'T HAVE NOBODY MICROMANAGING THEM OR THEIR FUNDS, THAT THEY'RE GIVING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM TO ANYBODY TO HELP THEM WITH THESE TYPE OF INITIATIVES. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS WELL LONG ENOUGH. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BALANCE AND JUST THINGS THAT'S GOING ON. AND WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT I MEAN, QUICK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A I FOUGHT FOR OCEAN FOR A LONG TIME. A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES GAVE ME A REAL HARD TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN SAYING HAS BEEN COMING THROWN IN MY FACE AND COME TO FRUITION. SO YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DOLLAR THAT OCEAN IS CONTRACTS THAT THEY ARE MAKING WITH ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, CREDIBLE COMPANIES AND, AND PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THE WORK. BUT I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT YOU YOU KNOW, I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU. I FEEL LIKE WE DO. I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT YOU WILL. I JUST DEFINITELY WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU COME INTO A STUMBLING BLOCK THAT YOU WILL CONTACT ANY DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES OR CONCERNS OR AND WE CAN REACH OUT TO YOU. I THINK THAT YOU'VE BEEN WELL, VERY COOPERATIVE, COMMUNICATIVE. YOU'VE BEEN AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND CONTINUE THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. I ACTUALLY AM OH I'M SORRY. AT LEAST I THOUGHT I WAS IN QUEUE. I'M SORRY. I'M IN THE QUEUE FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM. THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLEAR. SO I HEAR YOUR CONCERN, BUT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THE BUDGET [00:15:02] ITEMS AND WE WERE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET ITEMS. I THINK IT WAS I GUESS IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING EVEN THEN THAT OCEANS OUTREACH WAS BOTH THE THINGS THAT THAT THAT THEY CAN DO WITH THE FOLKS THAT THEY HAVE ON STAFF, WHICH IS LIMITED. AND THEN THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO. TO REALLY TACKLE A PROBLEM AS LARGE AS WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS FOR US TO THEN CONTRACT WITH OTHER FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO STRETCH THOSE RESOURCES AND HAVE THEM DO THE THINGS THAT THEY, THOSE PIECES OF THE ISSUE THAT THAT THEY DO WELL. AND YOU POINT OUT TO VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA HAS DONE THEY DO GREAT WORK. IN MY MIND, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO BEYOND THE GREAT WORK IS THEY'RE ABLE TO DOCUMENT AND SHOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE MONEY, AND WHICH I THINK IS HUGE. BUT AS AM I CONFUSED ABOUT, HOW AM I NOT REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY, ABOUT HOW OSHA WORKS? AND WE'VE I THINK WE'VE GOT WELL, LET ME TAKE YOU BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS, COUNCILMAN. I THINK AND IF I WOULD, MAYBE WE HAVE TO SEND THAT TO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU WOULD LOOK BACK INTO WHEN I ASKED MR. CALLAHAN, DID DID HE LOOK AT OR DID HE INVESTIGATE ANY OF THE NONPROFITS THAT FILLED UP THIS ROOM THAT WE GAVE THAT MONEY TO? AND I ASKED HIM, DID HE POLICE THEM? AND HE TOLD ME, NO, COUNCILWOMAN, WE DON'T POLICE THAT. RIGHT? SO I TOLD HIM THAT WE SHOULD. SO EVER SINCE THEN, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS BECAUSE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES PROBABLY NOT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY I HAD POMPOMS FOR THIS ENTITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO A LOT OF WORK. AND WE WERE STRUGGLING. MY CULTURE WAS STRUGGLING WITH IF OCEAN WORK WITH THE POLICE AND IF THEY DIDN'T. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD OCEAN IN FRONT OF US AND IT WAS SOME THEY DON'T WORK WITH THE POLICE, THEY DO WORK WITH THE POLICE, WITH SOME BACK AND FORTH. AND WE KNOW IF YOU DON'T WORK WITH THE POLICE, AIN'T TOO MUCH GETTING SOLVED RIGHT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT WAS CONCERNS. IF OCEAN IS NOT WORKING WITH THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GETTING ANY RESULTS? RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE VOA THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL WAY LONGER THAN ME, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE I'M NAIVE TO THE FACT, BUT FOR THE TYPE OF CULTURE THAT OCEAN, NOT THAT CRIME IS NOT EVERYWHERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF THE NONPROFITS THAT OCEAN HAS DEALT WITH IN THE PAST. JUST OCEAN WITHIN ITSELF. I'M NOT GOING TO SUGARCOAT IT. THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE VOA THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE WORK. BUT IF THAT WAS THE FACT I FELT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT MONEY'S JUST BEING PUT IN DIFFERENT PLACES, YOU KNOW, TO JUST WHAT IT IS TO KEEP THE TO KEEP THE MONEY GOING, PERIOD. BECAUSE IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED TO GIVE THEM TO THE NONPROFITS AS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, GETTING THEM TO THE NONPROFITS. THEN AS SOON AS WE STARTED TO QUESTION IT NOW, THESE OUTREACH, SUCH AS THE GOODWILL SUCH AS THE VOA, NOW WE WANT TO CONTRACT THEM, RIGHT? SO NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PUTTING VOA THE GOODWILL IN THESE ROLES SO THEY CAN DEAL WITH THE NONPROFITS, RIGHT? NOT OCEAN ANYMORE. BUT I DON'T CARE WHO. I DON'T CARE WHO'S DEALING WITH THE NONPROFITS. IF IT'S VOA, IF IT'S THE GOODWILL, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER TAXPAYERS DOLLARS IS GOING, I'M GOING TO FOLLOW IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY, RIGHT I HAVE. I HAVE ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD IN VOA. IT JUST CONCERNED ME AFTER WE QUESTIONED OCEAN, YOU KNOW, WHILE THESE ENTITIES WAS SELECTED AND THEY HADN'T BEEN IN THE PAST. THAT'S IT. AND THEY'VE REALLY NOT DONE THE TYPE OF WORK THAT IS REQUIRED. RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR DISCUSSION ITEM SHOULD BE WITH OCEAN AND NOT VOLUNTEER. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A MEETING WITH THEM. GOTCHA. YEAH. I'VE ASKED FOR THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES SO I COULD KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKED LIKE WELL, BEFORE TODAY. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION. SHE'S BEEN AS AS AS AS DILIGENT AND IS, YOU KNOW, INFORMATIONAL AS SHE COULD BE. RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT, ON ON THE RECORD AND I'M ON THE RECORD AS SAYING, I KNOW VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA DOES GREAT WORK AND I'M I'M HAPPY THAT THEY'RE JOINING IN THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I DO HAVE TO PUT ON THE RECORD. I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET CAUGHT IN, YOU [00:20:03] KNOW, ANYTHING THAT THE NONPROFITS WAS CAUGHT IN EITHER. SO I, I'M, I'M A FAN OF THE VOA. LET ME SAY THAT THEY DO AWESOME WORK, YOU KNOW, BUT I STILL DON'T WANT THEM, YOU KNOW, BEING THROWN A BASKETBALL AND NOT KNOW WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN ON OCEAN ABOUT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY KNEW THAT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INVOLVED IN WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY. AM I THE RIGHT ONE? IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN TOLD, OKAY, ALL RIGHT. HEARING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. MR. CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ [2. O-209-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 124 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) TO CREATE NEW SECTIONS ON LICENSING AND TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS, AND AMENDING LMCO SECTIONS 124.01, 124.05, 124.08, 124.10, AND 124.99 REGARDING ARMED SECURITY OFFICERS, WITH LMCO SECTIONS 124.21 to 124.33 TO BE KNOWN AS CHRISTOPHER’S LAW. 10/30/24 Public Safety Committee Held 9/25/24 Public Safety Committee Tabled Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Jennifer Chappell (D-15), Betsy Ruhe (D-21)] ITEM TWO INTO THE RECORD, PLEAS? AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 124 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CREATE NEW SECTIONS ON LICENSING AND TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS AND IN MANY CODE SECTIONS 124 .011 24.051, 24.081, 24.10 AND 124 .99. REGARDING ARMED SECURITY OFFICERS WITH CODE SECTIONS ONE, 24.2182, ONE, 24.33 TO BE KNOWN AS CHRISTOPHER'S LAW, READ IN FULL. TO GET MOTION. SECOND, THE ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY VICE CHAIR AND SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? HELLO. SORRY, I JUST AS OF THE LAST, LIKE, HOUR OR SO, I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS, LIKE, IN A PLACE WITH BAD VENTILATION OR SOMETHING, BUT I'M STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW, SO BEAR WITH ME. AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT CHRISTOPHER'S LAW, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I HOPE THAT FOLKS ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO SAY. BUT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ABOUT THE MASK ORDINANCE WAS TABLED. AND SO IT WON'T BE HEARD TONIGHT. AND THAT WAS DUE TO THE SPONSOR. CORRECT. OR IS THAT BEING DISCUSSED? WE'RE NOT ON THAT ONE. OKAY. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE IF NOBODY OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE IF ANYBODY WAS AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR UNARMED SECURITY ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN FILED. THIS WAS HEARD IN COMMITTEE A FEW WEEKS AGO. A FEW MONTHS AGO, ACTUALLY, THE REASON IT HAS NOT BEEN HEARD SINCE, I BELIEVE THE LAST PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING WAS CANCELED. AND THE ONE PRIOR TO THAT WAS THE ONE ABOUT THE MASK ORDINANCE THAT WAS HELD AT THE NEWBURGH COMMUNITY CENTER. I HAVE MESSAGED OR SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT SERVE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE SINCE THIS WAS FIRST INTRODUCED, THERE'S QUITE A FEW CHANGES. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM EVERYONE, BOTH MY COLLEAGUES AND EXTERNAL AGENCIES THAT HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS. AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT ORDINANCE, I ALSO SENT OUT OUR WONDERFUL COUNTY ATTORNEY WHO HAS BEEN ASSISTING WITH DRAFTING THIS LEGISLATION, ALYCE LION PUT TOGETHER A REALLY WONDERFUL BREAKDOWN OF SECTION BY SECTION. WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS A BULLET POINT LIST OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CHANGED SINCE IT WAS FIRST HEARD. SOME OF THE LARGEST CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN THIS. WE MADE A STRONGER DEFINITION FOR WHAT AN UNARMED SECURITY GUARD IS. WE SAID THAT THIS WAS THEIR PRIMARY JOB FUNCTION, AND WE ALSO LISTED OUT JOB FUNCTIONS OF A SECURITY GUARD OFFICER. WE ALSO STRIKED THE REQUIREMENT FOR INSURANCE. SO DEFINITELY HEARD PEOPLE IN SAYING THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED OF AN UNARMED SECURITY OFFICER THAT IS REQUIRED OF AN ARMED OFFICER, I BELIEVE. AND THEN ANOTHER LARGE CHANGE THAT WE MADE, FELONS CAN APPLY TO BE TO APPLY FOR A LICENSE FOR AN UNARMED SECURITY LICENSE, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE A VIOLENT CHARGE AGAINST THEM OR IN THEIR RECORD. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE LIKE HIGH LEVEL CHANGES THAT WE MADE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO ALSO KIND OF JUST TOUCH ON A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE COME UP IN OUR CONVERSATIONS. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBC SAFETY, AND I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE ENTRUST TO PROTECT OURSELVES HAVE THE SKILLS, KNOWLEDGE AND TRAINING AND CONFIDENCE TO DO THEIR JOB WELL. [00:25:03] THERE IS A QUESTION OF HOW MY UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS THERE ARE IN LOUISVILLE, AND THERE'S BEEN A FEW NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN AROUND THE US STATISTICS, LABOR AND STATISTICS BUREAU SAYS THAT THERE'S ABOUT 4000 UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS HERE IN LOUISVILLE THAT NUMBER IS DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST INFORMATION THAT WE CAN HAVE. INSOFAR AS THE NUMBER OF THOSE OFFICERS IN THE LAST PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING WHERE WE MET, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT LOUISVILLE PROBABLY HAD BY ABC THAT LOUISVILLE PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING MORE IN LINE OF 10,000 SECURITY OFFICERS, JUST BASED ON DATA FROM OTHER CITIES AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S VALID. I DO WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THAT HAVING 10,000 UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS, WHEN WE HAVE 1000 LMPD OFFICERS, WE HAVE TEN TIMES THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SWORN TO PROTECT US OUT ON THE STREETS AND NOT CARING IF THEY ARE TRAINED OR NOT IS PROBLEMATIC. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THE TRAINING THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO COMPLETE ISN'T JUST TACTICS IN DISARMING SOMEONE OR HANDLING A SUCH A VIOLENT OR AGGRESSIVE SITUATION. IT'S ALSO MATTERS OF. CROWD CONTROL. DE-ESCALATION, ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATIONS, FIRST AID. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO BEING A PROFESSIONAL IN THE SECURITY REALM, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, IT'S NOT JUST WHETHER OR NOT YOUR LIFE IS AT RISK. IT'S ALSO IF YOU'RE FEELING ENDANGERED IN OTHER WAYS. AND HOW IS THAT INDIVIDUAL PROTECTING YOU? SO I THINK THAT SUPPORTING THIS LEGISLATION IS A GREAT WAY FOR US TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE AND ALSO ASSIST IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CRISIS, SINCE WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREETS THAT ARE ACTING AS SECURITY GUARDS, AND SO WE CAN LEAN MORE ON THEM AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY LEAVE THE MORE VIOLENT STUFF TO LMPD. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE BROUGHT UP SOME FINANCIAL BARRIERS TO THE LICENSE, AND THAT WAS DEFINITELY HEARD. AS IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL. IT'S A ONE TIME FEE OF $100. AFTER YOU HAVE THE TRAINING AND IT'S EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU WOULD NEED TO RENEW THAT. AND THAT RENEWAL HAS BEEN LESSENED AND IT IS NOW $25 AND I BELIEVE IT ALSO SAYS IN THERE, PLUS THE COST OF WHATEVER IT IS TO PRINT A NEW LICENSE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT COSTS RIGHT NOW ABC ABOUT $25, BUT THEY HAVE THE MECHANISMS TO DO THAT. SO WE THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY WITHIN THE REALM. AND JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO AND THE STATE OF KENTUCKY THAT REQUIRE LICENSES SUCH AS AUCTIONEERS, MASSAGE THERAPISTS, DRONE OPERATORS, NAIL TECHNICIANS, TATTOO ARTISTS, ATHLETE AGENTS. THOSE ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT WE REQUIRE LICENSES AND REGULAR TRAINING AND REGULAR CHECK INS. AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN THE REALM OF REALITY TO REQUIRE TRAINING OF OUR UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS. AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE THINK ABOUT UNARMED CURITY OFFICERS, AND THE MORE THAT THIS HAS GONE ON, I THINK ATIRST IT WAS ABOUT BOUNCERS AND AT CLUBS AND BARS, AND MORIT CAME WN T, YOKNI D HOPAT THE BANKTHE PERSONHO IS AT A SCHOOL, HAS THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED AGAIN, IN ORDER TO ACCURATELY AND EFFICIENTLY DO THEIR JOBS. SO I THINK THAT HAVING A LICENSE BRINGS VALIDITY TO THIS POSITION, AND I THINK THAT IT ALSO BRINGS A LITTLE DIGNITY IF WE WANT TO TREAT SECURITY OFFICERS, ESPECIALLY UNARMED SERI OFFICERS, AS MALL COPS AND BELITTLE THEM IN THOSE WAYS, THEN WE'RE JUST BELITTLING OUR A PERSON THERE TO PROTECT OUR SAFETY. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE TIMETABLE OF THIS. THE NEW LEGISLATION, AND I REALLY APOLOGIZE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS AND I THIS IS OF NO FAULT OF ANYONE BUT THE FRESH COPY THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS LESS THAN 24 HOURS OLD. SO WE ARE JUST NOW CIRCULATING THAT, OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT TO YOU SOONER. THAT ALSO BRINGS INTO INTO CONSIDERATION LETTERS OF SUPPORT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT OUT THERE [00:30:05] THAT ARE PENDING, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO ACCEPT THOSE LETTERS UNTIL THOSE ENTITIES WERE ABLE TO SEE THE NEW LEGISLATION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF THEM. GIVEN MORE TIME, I AM HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM A MULTITUDE OF AGENCIES, INCLUDING SECURITY AGENTS AND OTHER EMPLOYERS WITH SECURITY. WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH KROGER. WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH GOODWILL. WE'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING WITH LMPD. I KNOW THAT IN MY DIVISION, THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT I HAVE TALKED WITH SAID THAT IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, SECURITY PROFESSIONALS CAN SOMETIMES CAUSE MORE HARM OR TROUBLE OR CHAOS THAN IF THEY WEREN'T PRESENT AT ALL. AND SO HAVING SOME SORT OF WAY THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE GETTING TRAINING IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. SO THOSE ARE OUT THERE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THEM TODAY. BUT I AM HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY, ANY CONCERN AROUND THAT. ALSO, COST IS ANOTHER THING THAT HAS COME UP ON THIS. WHEN I WAS DRAFTING THIS LEGISLATION, I WAS GIVEN AND WHEN I FILED IT, I WAS GIVEN THE NUMBER OF AN ANNUAL COST OF ABOUT $398,000 TO HIRE FOR NEW PERSONNEL WITH ABC. THAT WAS FOR TWO ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS AND TWO ENFORCEMENT AGENTS. AFTER I FILED, I WAS TOLD THAT THIS WOULD COST AND THIS NUMBER IS NOT BASED ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN AS AS FAR AS I SEE IT, RANDOM NUMBERS THAT IT WOULD COST $15 MILLION. THEN I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WAS A MISCALCULATION AND THIS WOULD ONLY COST $9 MILLION. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A BREAKDOWN FOR THAT COST BECAUSE THAT COST ALSO INCLUDED MOVING THE ABC OFFICES, HIRING AN ABSURD AMOUNT OF NEW EMPLOYEES, GETTING THEM ALL FURNITURE, AND GETTING THEM CARS AND ETCETERA, ETCETERA. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS WILL COST US, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT I IT WILL NOT BE $9 MILLION, BUT I WOULD WELCOME A FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES FELT WAS NECESSARY, BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THAT NUMBER IS A LOT LOWER. AND I'M I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT IT IS. IS IT GOING TO CANCEL OUT? THE COST ISOST OT WILL TAKE ADMINISTRATIVELY? NO, IT WON'T, BUT WE CAN ALSO DIVE INTO THOSE NUMBERS. CURRENTLY, ABC OVERSEES 19 LICENSES. IF APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE THE 20TH LICENSE. LAST FISCAL YEAR, ABC ISSUED 3412 LICENSES, 501 OF THOSE WERE FOR ARMED SECURITY. I WILL MENTION THAT IT IS ON TREND FOR A LOT OF SECURITY INDIVIDUALS TO BE ARMED. IF YOU NOTICE, OUR SECURITY PROFESSIONALS HERE THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY SHAW, THEY ARE ARMED INDIVIDUALS AND WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN CREATING THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE'RE IN KENTUCKY, THAT IS A VERY GUN FRIENDLY STATE, AND IT IS NOT ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO OPEN CARRY. AND SO IF BUT IF YOU ARE A SECURITY PROFESSIONAL AND YOU ARE CARRYING A GUN, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS YOUR RIGHT, YOU ARE THEN CONSIDERED AN ARMED SECURITY PROFESSIONAL. THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT ABC IS WOEFULLY UNDERSTAFFED, AND NO MATTER WHAT, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MORE AGENTS TO ENFORCE. AND ALSO ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, ANOTHER JUST POINTING OUT IN TERMS OF NUMBERS LAST YEAR, THE OR FOR THE LAST THE FISCAL YEAR 24 CODES OR SORRY, ABC HAD A BUDGET OF $1.4 MILLION. THIS FISCAL YEAR, THEIR BUDGET IS $1.6 MILLION. THEY BRING IN A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION IN REVENUE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT THIS IS A CASH POSITIVE DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF. DIRECTOR SILVERIA AND HIS CREW AT ABC FOR CARRYING OUT ALL OF THAT WORK. THEY OVERSEE LICENSE, EVERYTHING FROM FOOD AND PAWNBROKERS TO SECURITY AND TAXIS. SO IT'S QUITE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY OVERSEE. BUT [00:35:05] I'M GOING TO STOP THERE. I KNOW I'VE KIND OF LIKE PUT A LOT OUT THERE. I'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A WHILE. I'M REALLY JUST ASKING AND INVITING MY COLLEAGUES TO POISE THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS. LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS. AND THEN ALSO PLEASE CRITICALLY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT ARE THROWN OUT. I AM HOPING THAT MINE ARE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME, BUT I JUST REALLY WANT YOU ALL TO THINK FOR YOURSELVES. BUT I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WILL SAY A PERSON THAT THINKS FOR THEIR SELF IS FREE, BUT ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK IS YOU STATED THAT YOU HAD BEEN WORKING WITH SOMEONE FROM ABC ALREADY, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. WAS THAT AT THE START OR THE MIDDLE OR WHEN YOU FIRST SIT DOWN, DID YOU GET WITH ABC FOR THIS ORDINANCE? SURE. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A PAIN POINT FOR ME IS BECAUSE I'M USUALLY A VERY PREPARED INDIVIDUAL. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS CHANGED A LOT. AND IDEALLY I'D LOVE TO BRING TO THE TABLE SOMETHING THAT'S FULLY BAKED AND SOMETHING THAT I STAND BEHIND. NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT COMPROMISE AND CONSTRUCTION THAT'S DONE ON THE FLOOR, BUT IN COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. I HAD APPROACHED DIRECTOR SILVERIA ABOUT THIS. I SAID, I REALLY WANT TO WORK ON AN UNARMED SECDINANCE. AND HE SAID, I HAVE THAT'S BEEN ON MY TO DO LIST. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE WANTED FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AND SO HE WAS PRESENT AT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS IN THE FIRST YEAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS THOSE WERE, BUT HE WAS DIRECTOR SOLARIO WAS AT THE TABLE. AND SO THIS ORDINANCE IS HEAVILY MODELED AFTER OUR ARMED SECURITY ORDINANCE. THAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS, I THINK, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF DIAL BACK A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST WEREN'T NECESSARY, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE FELONY REQUIREMENT OR LACK THEREOF. BUT YES, ABC HAS BEEN PRESENT AT ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. WHEN IT WAS INTRODUCED. ABC HAS DIALED BACK THEIR PARTICIPATION. YOU SAID THEY DIALED BACK, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING WITH YOU ANYMORE. NO, THEY ARE NOT. WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION, BUT ABC HAS NOT BEEN AT THE TABLE AS WE HAVE WORKED ON THE CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN REYES, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. AND THEN I'M GOING TO REFER TO ABC. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND SORRY THAT I COULDN'T BE HERE IN PERSON TONIGHT, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AND FIRST, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE COMPLIMENT THAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL FOR THE WORK THAT SHE'S PUT INTO THIS. SHE DID ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH WAS HOW MANY CODE ENFORCEMENT AGENTS OR ABC OFFICERS WE WOULD NEED. AND YES, WE DO NEED A COMPREHENSIVE COST ANALYSIS. THAT'S YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S THE MOST SALIENT POINT. BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS. WE HAVE THE VERY UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE THAT MERITED THIS LEGISLATION, BROUGHT IT ABOUT WERE THERE ANY ARE THERE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTED CASES SIMILAR TO THAT, AND HOW MANY HAVE THERE BEEN AND WHEN WERE THEY SURE? MY, MY PAUSE IN THIS IS THAT THIS IS CALLED CHRISTOPHER'S LAW, AND IT IS BASED ON AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS THAT WAS KILLED AFTER BEING IN AN ALTERCATION WITH A BOUNCER. I HAVE NOT BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT ASHAMED OF IT. THIS IS WHAT THE TITLE OF THIS LEGISLATION IS. BUT I WANTED TO AVOID ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THAT CASE OR, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR THIS LEGISLATION DUE TO THAT INCIDENT. AND, COUNCILMAN REED, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT INCIDENTS INVOLVING BOUNCERS, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND THAT NUMBER. A LOT OF INCIDENTS GO UNREPORTED. THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR OF RETALIATION. THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR OR A LOT OF GUILT IN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I WAS THE PROBLEM. SO IT'S VERY UNDERREPORTED. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. THERE ARE [00:40:07] MULTIPLE OTHER INCIDENTS. A LOT OF THOSE INCIDENTS, THOUGH HAVE INVOLVED A GUN. AND SO THEN THAT GOES INTO THE ARMED SECURITY CATEGORY AND NOT UNARMED SECURITY. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. BUT UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE LIKE A DETAILED NUMBER ON HOW MANY BOUNCER RELATED INCIDENTS THERE ARE. I COULD ALSO SEND YOU INFORMATION ON ANOTHER CASE FOR AN INCIDENT INVOLVING BOUNCERS THAT HAPPENED AT FOURTH STREET, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S STILL IN COURT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU AND THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT. COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AFTER I'M FINISHED HERE. BUT ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE AND AGAIN, THAT THAT FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT, I THINK IS, IS PRETTY, PRETTY PRETTY CRITICAL. SO AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WORK YOU'VE DONE. AND I'M, YOU KNOW, KEEPING AN OPEN MIND AND WILLING TO HEAR THIS PROCESS OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMAN REED OKAY, SO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ABC HERE. CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THIS, PLEASE? JUST. YES. OKAY. MY NAME IS CHRIS ROBINSON. I'M THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR ABC, SO I'M CURRENTLY FILLING IN FOR DIRECTOR BRAD SAVARIA AT THIS MEETING. SO I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS AS I CAN FOR YOU. SO JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? OKAY. SO WAS YOU AT THE TABLE AT ALL WHEN ANY OF THE NEGOTIATIONS AND CAN YOU GIVE US A ROUNDABOUT? I THINK THAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPLIN WAS GIVEN A FEW DIFFERENT AMOUNTS. CAN YOU GIVE US AN AMOUNT OF WHAT THIS A NUMBER AND ANY DATA THAT ABC HAVE DONE AS FAR AS TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE? OKAY. I PERSONALLY HAVE ONLY ATTENDED ONE, SO I HAVEN'T BEEN AT THESE MEETINGS THAT THAT BRAD HAS BEEN ATTENDING. BUT AS FAR AS NUMBERS, I DO HAVE SOME BREAKDOWNS AS FAR AS NUMBERS, LIKE THE COST OF DOUBLING OUR STAFF IS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 3 MILLION. AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF THAT IS BASED OFF OF ABOUT $940,000 IN ONE TIME COST. AND THEN ANNUAL COST OF ABOUT 1.9. AND THAT IS WITH ADDING FIVE LICENSING STAFF MEMBERS AND A LEVEL 11. EXCUSE ME, ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT. BUT ALSO I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT HAVING THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS PERFORMED THAT'S GOING TO HELP US ADEQUATELY, YOU KNOW, PROJECT THE COST AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. YOU KNOW, INITIALLY AND ONGOING AS WELL. SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT THIS $15 MILLION WAS JUST A NUMBER THAT WAS THROWN OUT THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I CAN'T ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. THIS. THAT'S THE FIRST I HAD HEARD THE 15, 15 MILLION. BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T ATTENDED ALL THOSE MEETINGS. SO WHAT ABOUT THE 9 MILLION? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM? THE 9 MILLION. LET'S SEE HERE. SO THE 9 MILLION INCLUDES ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING ON ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL AND LICENSING PERSONNEL. SO FORGIVE ME, I'M GOING TO READ SOME OF THIS. SO THE ABC DETECTIVES ARE SWORN POLICE OFFICERS. AND AS SUCH THEY REQUIRE VEHICLES, WEAPONS AND EVERYTHING TO EFFECTIVELY CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES. SO CURRENTLY THE OFFICE MANAGES ABOUT 3000 LICENSE ANNUALLY WITH AND THEN WITH A TEAM OF 11 ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL FOR LICENSING STAFF AND ONE SUPERVISOR. THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE AND PUBLIC SAFETY STANDARDS. AND OUR CURRENT LICENSE BASE, THAT NUMBER IS BASED OFF OF THE ROUGHLY 10,000 ESTIMATED NEW LICENSES. AND THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE US BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. SO, BASED THAT 9 MILLION IS GOING TO BE BASED OFF OF THAT 10,000 ESTIMATED NEW LICENSES. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT 9 MILLION COMES INTO PLAY. OKAY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS YOU CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. SO DO YOU BELIEVE IN THIS ORDINANCE? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL WORK? I HONESTLY, I'M I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO GIVE THAT A GOOD ANSWER. AGAIN, I'M FILLING IN DUE TO BRAD'S INABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY COLLEAGUE, COMMITTEE MEMBER [00:45:03] SHAMIKA, WHO'S WITH US. SO. THANK YOU. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? CAN I SPEAK? I WAS GOING T. OH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU IN THE QUEUE. I'M SORRY. NO WORRIES. I TRIED TO GET ADDED TO THE. OH, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THAT SHE WAS HERE. BUT YEAH, SURE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE. I HAD SOME TECH ISSUES, BUT I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE WORK OF COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AROUND BLACK AND MINORITY SECURITY BUSINESS OWNERS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO GET THE LICENSURES AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THOSE NEEDS. I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR ARMED SECURITY GUARDS, AND THAT THE FACT THAT THIS IS OFF OF THIS IS BASED OFF OF UNARMED AND THE NEED THAT'S OUT THERE, AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN SCOTT REED'S QUESTION. I JUST FROM BEING OUT AND ON THE GROUND KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RELATED ISSUES WITH BOUNCERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TRAINED. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS BEYOND WHO IT'S BEING NAMED AFTER. THERE'S SO MANY VICTIMS OF ABUSE AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIFE DUE TO PEOPLE NOT BEING TRAINED. AND SO A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT ONCE. ABC HAS BEEN UNDERSTAFFED, NEEDS MORE FUNDING, NEEDS A BUILDING, NEEDS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. DESPITE THIS ORDINANCE OR NOT. AND SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HOLD THAT AND SUPPORT ABC IN EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN. ON THE OTHER END, YOU KNOW, ADDING THIS LICENSURE PROCESS AND USING GUESSTIMATE NUMBERS ON WHAT THE BUREAU SAYS, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WE KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS WILL BE THERE WILL BE A CURVE. IT WOULDN'T ALL HAPPEN IN SIX MONTHS. IT WOULDN'T ALL HAPPEN IN THE FIRST YEAR. SO WE NEED TO GIVE TIME TO BUILD THAT IN. SO I'M ASKING MY COLLEAGUES TO LET'S FOCUS ON THE TASK AT HAND, THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF UNARMED SECURITY PEOPLE WHO NEED TRAINING, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT AS WE GROW AND ENTERTAINMENT AS WE GROW IN OUR BUSINESS WORLD, THAT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED IN PLACE. SO HOLDING THOSE THINGS. BUT ALSO SUPPORTING ABC AND SO COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, I LET HER KNOW THAT I TALKED TO NOT ONLY DRAKE DAWSON, WHO RUNS A SMALL SECURITY FIRM ON MY LEGISLATIVE TEAM, BUT ALSO OTHER SECURITY. SMALLER OUTFITS HAVE REACHED OUT AND THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO I'M PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THOSE CONCERNS WERE ADDRESSED AND THIS WOULDN'T PUT THEM OR OTHER BUSINESSES OUT. IT HAS SOME REGULATIONS THAT WE THINK ARE OVERDUE AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BE A CO-SPONSOR OF THIS LEGISLATION. AND THAT'S REALLY COMING A LONG WAY FROM WHERE I WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH ALL THE CONCERNS I HAVE. SO THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. I'D LIKE US TO STAY FOCUSED ON THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS. NO MATTER WHAT, ABC NEEDS A MORE MONEY, MORE STAFF, ANOTHER BUILDING AND ALL OF THAT. AND IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO PUT THAT ON ONE LICENSURE AND NOT ALL THE OTHER 19. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE GOT TO DEAL WITH TOGETHER. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. CHAIR. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SO INTUITIVE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. I LOVE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COSPONSORSHIP. COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND IN THOSE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, I DO HOPE WHEN WE GET THOSE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME FROM MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT THIS, AND I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING THAT CURVE IN TALKING ABOUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ONSLAUGHT OF 10,000 INDIVIDUALS AT ONCE RUNNING DOWN TO GET THEIR LICENSE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IN LAST YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR, LICENSES AND PERMITS, THERE WAS ONLY ONE LICENSE OUT THERE FOR MOBILE ICE CREAM BUSINESSES. I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO I THINK THAT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE WOEFULLY UNDERREPORTED. AND THEN THAT COMES BACK TO ENFORCEMENT. AND SO IF WE REALLY WANT THIS AND ALL OF OUR LICENSES TO WORK, BECAUSE THIS IS REGARDLESS IF UNARMED SECURITY TRAINING ORDINANCE PASSES OR NOT, I THINK THAT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS COULD BE MUCH GREATER. AND I THINK [00:50:03] THAT WE JUST NEED TO ENABLE OUR ABC DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE NUMBERS. I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS THE TRAINING, SOMETHING YOU HAD SAID. COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH MADE ME THINK OF THIS. I DO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE TRAINING IS BETWEEN 150 TO $300, DEPENDING. THAT IS A ONE TIME TRAINING, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUALLY GET TRAINING, EVEN THOUGH I THINK YOU SHOULD. BUT I COMPROMISED AND SAID THAT WE'LL JUST RENEW THE LICENSE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL TRAINING. BUT IF YOU DO GO THROUGH TRAINING AND YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD FIT, YOU CAN TALK WITH THE ABC DIRECTOR AND THEY CAN APPROVE TRAINING EVEN IF IT'S NOT LISTED WITHIN OUR APPROVED TRAINING LIST. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARILY SET IN STONE. BUT WE DO OFFER FLEXIBILITY. THERE. AND I DID JUST WANT TO ASK ABC I'M STILL STUCK ON THAT NUMBER OF $9 MILLION. AND WHERE THAT CAME FROM. BECAUSE IF YOU CAN DOUBLE YOUR STAFF WITH 3 MILLION, 1.9 OF THAT IS FOR ONGOING PERSONNEL COSTS. SO OVER LIKE OVER A MILLION OF THAT IS A ONE TIME CHARGE. AND I GET THAT YOU'RE BASING THAT OFF OF ALL OF THESE LICENSES THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN THE PIPELINE. YOU KNOW, THIS GOES INTO EFFECT ON, YOU KNOW, JULY 1ST, 2000 OR 2025. AND THERE'S A LINE DOWN FIFTH STREET WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR LICENSES RIGHT. I'M JUST KIND OF AT A LOSS ON HOW WE GO FROM 15 MILLION TO 9 MILLION TO 3 MILLION. IT'S JUST BAFFLING TO ME. AND THEN I'M SORRY. OH, SORRY. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IN ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE SHOULD MAKE IS IF IT COSTS $3 MILLION FOR YOU TO DOUBLE YOUR STAFF, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE WOEFULLY UNDEREMPLOYED AND IF WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY AND UPPING ALL OF THESE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST KEEP ALL OF YOUR REVENUE AND, YOU KNOW, OPERATE SELF-SUFFICIENTLY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. BUT DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND RESPOND TO THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, SOME OF THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M NOT I'M NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF IT. I HAVE I HAVE LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T BEEN THE ONE IN CONVERSATIONS. BUT YEAH, THE $3 MILLION THAT THAT INCLUDES, THAT'S AN ANNUAL COST OF 2 MILLION. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS THAT ONE ONE TIME EXPENSE OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING 2 MILLION. THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOW BASED ON ON ON DOUBLING THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE. SO I CAN'T I'M NOT EVEN HEARD THE $15 MILLION FIGURE BEFORE. SO I DEFINITELY CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. AND THEN I YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY WHERE THE 9 MILLION CAME FROM AND WHERE WE RECEIVED THOSE STATISTICS FROM AND WHAT THAT WAS BASED OFF OF IN REGARDS TO SOMETHING LIKE A NEW ORDINANCE. OUR 11,000 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME ON DAY ONE. NO, BUT IT'S AS SOMEONE WHO HANDLES ALL OF THE LICENSING. IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A TRICKY THING TO DEAL WITH TO, TO HANDLE. YOU MIGHT THERE MIGHT BE 500 PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT SYSTEM CURRENTLY WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THAT APPOINTMENT SYSTEM. AND SO DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR NOT ONLY THAT BUILDING, BUT EVERYONE THAT GOES THAT, THAT WORKS IN THAT FACILITY. SO IT'S THERE'S A LOT THAT'S INVOLVED INTO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ESSENTIALLY TRIPLE THE NUMBER OF LICENSES THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOW. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE FLOOR. VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A COUPLE QUESTIONS, IF I MAY. COUNCILWOMAN. DOES THIS INCLUDE VOLUNTEERS? THE NUMBER THE TEN BETWEEN 4000 AND 10,000, NUMBER? NO, THE SECURITY OFFICERS VOLUNTEER? NO. THIS WOULD INCLUDE SOMEONE WHO'S EMPLOYED. SO UNDER THE DEFINITION, LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE EMPLOYED. SO IF A CHURCH HIRED A PARKING LOT ATTENDANT AND THE PARKING LOT ATTENDANT SEEN SOME DISCREPANCIES, OR IS HE UNDER THIS RULE OR HER? SO IF HE MEETS ANY OF THE DEFINITIONS WITHIN THE DEFINITION OR ANY OF THE ITEMS UNDER THE DEFINITION OF UNARMED SECURITY SERVICES, THAT'S WHY WE PUT IN THERE PRIMARY. YOUR PRIMARY JOB IS TO LET'S SEE, I WANT TO GET ONE OF YOUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S LISTED IN THIS. SO WE DID THAT IN A WAY [00:55:03] THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY OMIT SOMEONE WHO, IF YOUR PRIMARY JOB IS, YOU KNOW, PARKING, THEN THAT MIGHT NOT FIT UNDERNEATH OF THAT. AND I INVITE ALSO MISS LYON TO CHIME IN. COUNCIL MEMBER SAM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE IN THE DRAFT, THERE'S A NEW DEFINITION OF UNARMED SECURITY SERVICES. AND IN SUBSECTION SIX A, IT EXCLUDES PARKING ATTENDANTS AND SUBSECTION SIX. SEE ALSO EXCLUDES THOSE WHOSE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS DIRECTING TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE OR VEHICLES. WHAT ABOUT AN EVENT AT A CHURCH? AN A AN EVENT AT A CHURCH? I HIRE SOMEBODY TO OVERSEE THE EVENT. WHAT ABOUT ARE THEY REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THIS? SAME. IS THIS THE VOLUNTEER EXAMPLE? BEFORE THEY HIRE, THEY HIRE ONE OF THEIR ELDERS TO KEEP AN EYE ON ON CHURCH ACTIVITIES OR AN EVENT AT A CHURCH. ARE THEY DO ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED UNDER THIS ORDINANCE? SO THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO PAY SOMEONE WHO'S TYPICALLY A VOLUNTEER IN THIS EXAMPLE. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT A VOLUNTEER. THEY THEY'RE GOING TO PAY SOMEBODY FROM THE CHURCH TO OVERSEE AN EVENT. DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS? WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE EVENT? DOES IT FALL INTO THESE UNARMED SECURITY SERVICES? THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU'D HAVE TO ASK IF IT'S A BANQUET. WHAT IF IT'S A BANQUET? I WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT MONITORING UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY. THEN WHAT IF UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY OCCURRED? THAT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR IT. IF IT IF IT HAPPENS SPONTANEOUSLY AND IT'S AND IT'S TOUGH, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER ALL HYPOTHETICALS BASED ON I MEAN THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO WITH LAW IS IT GETS INTERPRETED AS IT AS IT GETS IMPLEMENTED. BUT FROM THE DESCRIPTION YOU HAVE AND WITHOUT ANY MORE DETAIL, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD FIT THIS NEW DEFINITION ON PAGE THREE. THANK YOU. MAY I? YEAH. I WOULD INVITE YOU TO GET THE NUMBERS ON HOW MANY DEACONS ARE GETTING PAID TO DIRECT TRAFFIC, AND I'D LOVE TO KNOW HOW MANY THAT WOULD BE IMPACTING. WELL, I'M WE HAVE THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY, HOW MANY SHOOTINGS, HOW MANY INCIDENTS HAVE WE HAD WITH THE WITH IT THAT BROUGHT ABOUT THIS LAW THAT WE'RE DOING AND IT'S MINIMAL TO. SO I MEAN, WE'RE CREATING THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE OVER MAYBE 1 OR 2 INCIDENTS AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, WHO ALL IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT I THINK IT'S THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WHEELS IN THIS THING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A, A REAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO COST US. AND THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO TABLE THIS SO WE CAN GO OVER THIS A LITTLE MORE. SECOND, YES. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT, DO YOU IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BECAUSE THAT'S A MOTION TO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT. WELL THE SEVERE NEEDS TO COME BACK TO BRANCH. I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO BE BACK HERE. YEAH. BECAUSE HE HE HAS A LOT OF ANSWERS FOR THE TABLE. OKAY. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO DO A FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT THAT GOES TO THE HEART OF IT AND OUT OF THERE YOU'LL MAKE A MOTION. WELL, I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, SO I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO LET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE KNOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION FOR A FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT MADE BEFORE THE MOTION TO TABLE IS MADE. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. SO I CANNOT MAKE THAT. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AROUND THAT. THERE'S A FEW THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS SONYA, THE METRO COUNCIL CLERK. FIRST, YOU THERE'S ALSO WE'VE DISCUSSED AN AMENDMENT THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM. DO YOU WANT TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON AS WELL? THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER. IT CAN STAY IN THE SYSTEM. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT NOW. IT'S KIND OF WHEREVER YOU ALL ARE. THE MOTION TO DO A FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT IS ONCE WE'LL FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, IF YOU MAKE THAT MOTION, WE'LL GET YOU THE PAPERWORK. YOU'LL FILL IT OUT WITH THE HELP OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IF NECESSARY, AND IT'LL GET SUBMITTED TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. AND THEN THE AUDITOR WILL CONTACT THE AGENCIES THAT NEED TO HAVE INPUT ON IT AND PROVIDE IT BACK TO US. IT'S NOT A TWO WEEK THING. IT TAKES TIME. SO BUT AT LEAST THAT'LL GET IT STARTED. THAT AUTOMATICALLY TABLES THE LEGISLATION IN COMMITTEE THOUGH IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE AMENDED [01:00:06] VERSION TO WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AS WELL AS REQUEST THE FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT AS WELL AS TABLE, I WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. I DON'T THINK WE GOT A TABLE. IT WANTS ME TO DO THAT. YEAH, RIGHT. SO I MOVE TO AMENDMENT. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HEARD YOU ONLINE. I DIDN'T, I SECOND IT. SHE ALREADY SAID SHE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR I I'M SORRY ONLINE. I DIDN'T HEAR IT CLEARLY. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. IN FAVOR TO TABLE IT OR TO WAIT FOR THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO AMEND TO IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT? YES. I ANY OPPOSED? I. JUST GOT THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON. THAT'S OKAY. SO NOW I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO A FINANCIAL IMPACT. I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION SECOND, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. THANK YOU FOR TABLE OKAY. SO THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TABLE RIGHT OKAY. SO THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. ITEM THREE RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET [3. R-141-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERNING EVALUATION AND ANALYSIS REGARDING THE LOUISVILLE YOUTH NETWORK – (MCNARY AND ASSOCIATES LLC - $50,000.00). Action Required By: May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Barbara Shanklin (D-2) ] ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NON-COMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE OFFICE OF SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERNING EVALUATION AND ANALYSIS REGARDING THE LOUISVILLE YOUTH NETWORK. MCNAIRY AND ASSOCIATES, LLC FOR $50,000, READ IN FULL MOTION. THAT IS MOVE. ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY COMMITTEE. DA. SAM, SECOND BY MYSELF. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, MR. ELEGANT, KELLY CALLAHAN IS HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON THIS. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME INFORMATION? YES. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIR AND FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO DO A COMPETITIVE, NON COMPETITIVE CONTRACT WITH THE MCNAIRY GROUP TO CONDUCT A THOROUGH EVALUATION, FISCAL AND PROGRAM EVALUATION OF THE LOUISVILLE OPPORTUNITIES NETWORK. WHAT THAT NETWORK IS, IS A SERIES OF ORGANIZATIONS, NON-PROFITS, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT RECEIVE SOME THAT RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE CITY, SOME THAT DON'T THAT SPECIALIZE IN THE AREA OF WORKING WITH THOSE YOUTH THAT ARE 16 TO 24 YEARS OLD THAT ARE NOT IN SCHOOL OR DON'T HAVE A JOB. THIS RELATES TO AN ORDINANCE OR APPROPRIATIONS THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCIL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BACK IN 2020, OF WHICH COUNCIL APPROPRIATED ABOUT $1 MILLION TO LOOK INTO HOW THE CITY COULD SUPPORT THE CAPACITY OF THIS NETWORK AND BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SPENDING REDUNDANCY AND HOW WE COULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE WITH THE RESOURCES. SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE FUNDED PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND, YOU KNOW, $4 MILLION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM. WE WENT BACK LAST YEAR SINCE WE RECEIVED THE $2 MILLION BUDGET CUT OR REDUCTION IN OUR BUDGET. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT BACK LAST YEAR AND WE LOOKED AT WAS, WERE THOSE FUNDS USED BEING USED IN A WAY THAT WE FELT THAT THEY WERE APPROPRIATE FOR, WHICH WAS BUILDING THE CAPACITY OF THAT NETWORK. AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THREE ORGANIZATIONS WERE RECEIVING THE BULK OF THOSE FUNDS. AND WHILE THEY WERE DOING WORK WITH THIS POPULATION, IT WASN'T REALLY A CAPACITY BUILDING APPROACH. IT WAS THEY WERE ALL INDEPENDENTLY WORKING WITH EACH OTHER AND PROVIDING SERVICES. WE FELT THAT THAT WAS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, AND THAT WAS NOT WHAT THE ORIGINAL FUNDING WAS FOR. SO THIS YEAR WE DID SCALE BACK SOME OF THAT FUNDING, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR $50,000 TO APPROVE THE MCNAIRY GROUP, WHO ACTUALLY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE NETWORK OF DOING EVALUATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL, BACK. I BELIEVE IN 2020 AND THEN DID THE INITIAL REVIEW THIS PAST YEAR TO GO BACK AND REALLY BEGIN TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND LOOK AT HOW THE BEST WAY WE CAN SPEND THOSE DOLLARS IS IT OKAY, IT'S THE NEXT ONE. IT'S 50, RIGHT? I BELIEVE IT'S $50,000. OKAY. AND THAT'S FOR ONE YEAR. YES. THESE ARE ARP FUNDS. I'M SEEING ONE IN THE. LET ME MAKE SURE I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. I'M SORR. [01:05:01] HOLD ON ONE SECOND. COUNCILMAN REED, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I, I ALWAYS SORT OF RECOIL WHEN I HEAR NONCOMPETITIVE. WHY IS THIS NONCOMPETITIVE? AND ARE THERE NO OTHER COMPETITORS IN THIS PARTICULAR MARKET? ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE LOOKED AT NONCOMPETITIVE WITH MCNAIRY GROUP IS THEY'RE AN ACTIVE PARTNER AND HAVE BEEN WITH THIS PROJECT SINCE THE BEGINNING, SO THEY HAVE THE THOROUGH HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT DATING BACK FOUR YEARS. THEY DID THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT THAT SUPPORTED THE FUNDING FOR COUNCIL. THEY WERE ALSO AWARDED BY US A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY LAST YEAR TO DO THE INITIAL REASSESSMENT. THAT GAVE US INSIGHT INTO THE NEED FOR A LARGER ONE. SO TO SWITCH TO ANOTHER. A CONTRACTOR RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TIME CONSUMING AND WE WOULD LOSE ALL THAT INFORMATION. YES, WE COULD TRANSFER THE REPORTS OVER, BUT PART OF IT ALSO IS DOING A SERIES OF FOCUS GROUPS, AND MCNAIRY GROUP IS WELL ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND HAS ALREADY SET UP ALL THESE FOCUS GROUPS IN THE PAST. AND THEIR BEST WAY TO BE DONE. OKAY, SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITY COSTS IF THERE WAS A CHANGE MADE. YES, SIR. OPPORTUNITY COST AND DELAYS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PRICE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. I, I SHARE COUNCILMAN REED'S CONCERNS. WE DO A LOT OF THIS, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT'S THE MAIN GOAL, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF ASSESSMENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. AND I ALSO WANT TO KNOW, WHAT ARE THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS YOU SAID YOU WERE REGULARLY FUNDING THAT YOU DECIDED TO NOT FUND, AND THEN NOW YOU'RE USING THE MCNAIRY GROUP? I'M NOT DOUBTING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE MCNAIRY GROUP, BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO GET OUT OF THIS? WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER ANALYSIS? YEAH. FIRST OFF, AND IF I WAS CONFUSING CONFUSING YOU ON THIS, I APOLOGIZE. THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT RECEIVED FUNDING WOULD RECEIVE FUNDING FOR DIRECT SERVICES TO THIS POPULATION. SO NOT TO DO ANY EVALUATION. THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WERE THE URBAN LEAGUE OF GOODWILL AND THE COALITION SUPPORTING YOUNG ADULTS. SO EACH OF THOSE AGENCIES GOT ABOUT 300, $350,000 A YEAR OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO SUPPORT THESE GROUPS. THE REASON MCNAIRY GROUP, AS I STATED EARLIER, WAS THAT THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT. THEY THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF COUNCIL WAS. THEY WERE ABLE TO THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, WAS ABLE TO QUICKLY GET TOGETHER WITH ALL THE PARTNERS. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT GETTING ANY FUNDING, THAT ARE PART OF THE NETWORK AS WELL, TOO. SO THEY HAVE THE TRUST OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO COME TOGETHER QUICKLY AND DO A FOCUS GROUP. THE OUTCOME OF THIS NEWEST ASSESSMENT IS BASICALLY TO SAY, HOW CAN WE AS A CITY, THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, BEST SUPPORT THE ENTIRE NETWORK, NOT JUST FUND 1 OR 2 AGENCIES. BUT IF I HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT I CAN GIVE OUT TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, WHAT IS THE BEST MANNER I CAN GIVE THAT OUT RATHER THAN JUST GIVING IT TO THREE ORGANIZATIONS? WOULD IT BE BETTER USE CAPACITY BUILDING OF ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE BETTER BUILT IN? I MEAN, USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THANK YOU. IF I COULD READDRESS MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. MY CONCERN IS THAT NOT NO ONE NETWORK IS IN CONTACT WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE DOING THAT MEANINGFUL WORK IN THE COMMUNITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF SMALLER GROUPS WHO DON'T GET FUNDING FROM YOU WHO ARE DOING GREAT WORK. CHURCH BASED GROUPS WHO ARE DOING THIS WORK. AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE MISSING OF THAT. AND WE'RE JUST PAYING ANOTHER $50,000 TO TALK TO THE SAME PEOPLE. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR AN OUTCOME THAT WAS GOING TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND WORKING ACROSS OUR CITY FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, AND THAT THERE WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO EXPAND THAT USE THOSE FOCUS GROUPS TO EXPAND WHO WE'RE TALKING TO. THAT'S MY ONLY THING IS LIKE, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT? WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING DIFFERENT? BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WORKS. WE NEED TO FUND WHAT WORKS AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE MONEY IS BETTER SPENT WITH PROVIDING SOME MORE OF THOSE SERVICES. BUT WE DO NEED TO DO AN ANALYSIS. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WAS SPENT, HOW IT WAS SPEN, AND HOW EFFECTIVE IT WAS. SO IS THERE WILL THERE BE AN ATTEMPT FROM THE MCNAIRY GROUP? AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION AND THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THEY'RE TALKING TO MORE NETWORKS. THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT ALL THE NETWORKS THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING GOOD WORK WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND HELPING TO REDUCE, SOLVE AND ELIMINATE VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. ABSOLUTELY. AND I CAN GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. WE'VE LISTENED TO A LOT OF THE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT HAVE ECHOED THE SIMILAR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, THAT THEIR VOICE IS NOT BEING HEARD. PART OF THE BULGARIA GROUP IS THEY DO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP NOT ONLY WITH THE LARGER YOUTH SERVING ORGANIZATIONS, BUT ALSO WITH THOSE GRASSROOTS. AND YOU CAN ENSURE THE TRUST THAT THOSE GRASSROOTS WILL ALSO COME TO THE TABLE AND THAT THEIR VOICES WILL BE HEARD IN THIS PROCESS. AS WELL. OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE SPEAKERS IN THE QUEUE HEARING NONE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL [01:10:05] THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE ITEM PASSES AND WILL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT [4. R-148-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERNING SECURITY SERVICES AT COMMUNITY PROJECT ACTIVATIONS – (RHINOX RESEARCH GROUP LLC - $60,000.00). Action Required By: May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Markus Winkler (D-17), Andrew Owen (D-9)] CALENDAR. MR. CLERK, CAN YOU READ ITEM FOUR INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE? A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES AND APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NON-COMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE OFFICES OF SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERNING SECURITY SERVICES AT COMMUNITY PROJECT ACTIVATIONS RHINOX RESEARCH GROUP, LLC, $60,000. READ IN FULL MOTION. SECOND ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DAN SAM, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAMMY HAWKINS. MR. CALHOUN IS HERE TO SPEAK TODAY. CALLAHAN IS HERE TO SPEAK TODAY. YES, AGAIN, PAUL CALLAHAN, FI OF SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHDS. ARE ASNG FOR PERSSIOTO FD A $6000 NONCOMPETITIVE CONACT TO PROVIDE SECURITY SERVICES TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY SANCTUARY PROJECT ACTIVATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY SANCTUARY PROJECT, AS MANY, MANY OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, IS OUR OUR PROJECT WHERE WE SEND A TEAM OF PASTORS AND MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS INTO THE COMMUNITY FOLLOWING SHOOTINGS TO PROVIDE DIRECT SERVICES TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THOSE SHOOTINGS. TO DATE, WE'VE DONE 22. OF THOSE. OVER 8000 PEOPLE HAVE ATTENDED THOSE WE DO NEED SECURITY FOR THESE THESE EVENTS. THESE ARE EVENTS WHERE WE INVITE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OUT. WE GET ABOUT 200 PEOPLE AVERAGE SHOWING UP. WE DEAL WITH PEOPLE OFTEN THAT ARE IN MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE, WE DID AN EVENT IN THE SHAWNEE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAD ABOUT 50 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, INCLUDING ABOUT 15 CHILDREN IN A GUN. BATTLE BROKE OUT LESS THAN A WEEK. A BLOCK AWAY FROM US BETWEEN SEVERAL GROUPS. SO IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY INVOLVED THAT WE HAVE AN ARMED SECURITY THERE. WHY WE CHOSE RHINOX RHINOX, BESIDES BEING A MINORITY AND VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS, IS THEY HAVE A UNIQUE ABILITY TO SEE THE NEEDS OF THIS PROJECT WHEN WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO COME OUT, IT'S VERY TOUGH FOR THEM TO COME OUT. IF THEY SEE LMPD PRESENCE THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BACK OFF AND STUFF. SO WE DO WORK WITH LMPD AND THAT THEY'RE PATROLLING IN THE AREA, BUT THEY'RE NOT RIGHT THERE AT THE SITE. RHINOX CAN PROVIDE AN AN UNUNIFORMED SECURITY PRESENCE TO US, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THESE ACTIVATIONS ARE DONE AND DECIDED ON WITHIN A 24 TO 48 HOUR PERIOD. AFTER A SHOOTING. OUR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER SECURITY COMPANIES, THEY NEED A FURTHER ADVANCE NOTICE. THERE'S A LOT OF THEIR SECURITY GUARDS ARE LAPD OFFICERS OR CORRECTIONS OFFICERS, AND TYPICALLY THEY HAVE TO STAFF THEIR PATTERNS AROUND THE SHIFTS OF THOSE OFFICERS. RHINOX HAS PROVEN TO US SEVERAL TIMES THAT THEY CAN GET THE OFFICERS THAT WE NEED THERE. THE SECURITY PRESENCE WE NEED THERE. WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. WE HAVE USED THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST FOR A LOT OF OUR ACTIVATIONS. WE ALSO TRAINED THEM ON HOW TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY DURING THESE EVENTS AS WELL TOO. WE THINK BY NOT GOING COMPETITIVE THAT WE RUN THE RISK OF HIGHER COSTS. BUT WE DID CHECK OTHER ANALYSIS. WE DID. WE DID GET THREE QUOTES FROM THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL TOO. AND THEIR CHEAPEST, BUT IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION FOR US. RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THIS DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE. YOU'RE LEAVING? OH. THANK YOU. THIS DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE. MY CONCERN IS THAT AS YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THE VIOLENCE OR POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE IS HAPPENING. I'M GLAD YOU'RE DOING IT AT YOUR EVENTS. A LOT OF TIMES, THIS ONGOING VIOLENCE FROM TRYING TO COME IN AND DEAL WITH THE RETALIATORY PARTS OF THIS HAPPENS AT FUNERALS. AND THERE'S AN OVERLAP WITH FAITH LEADERS, FAITH LEADERS, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY PEOPLE. AND IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING INCLUSIVE OF SOME OF THESE CONNECTED FUNERALS? SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE COULD BE THREE VICTIMS AND ONE SURVIVOR, AND THEY GO TO THIS FUNERAL AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ANGRY FAMILIES ON ALL SIDES AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT. AND A LOT OF TIMES LMPD ISN'T THERE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SPACES WHERE LMPD SHOULDN'T BE. AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THESE SECURITY OFFICERS ARE TRAINED CULTURALLY. I'M HOPING, AND TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THAT MEANS A LOT. SO I DO SUPPORT YOU SAYING THIS GROUP HAS ALREADY MET THAT MEASURE. ARE YOU ALL ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE THOSE RELATED DEATHS AND RETALIATORY DEATHS ARE CONNECTED AT THESE FUNERALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THAT A PART OF YOUR PURVIEW OR ARE YOU TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THAT? THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WOULD BE YES AND NO. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE, SEPARATE APPROACHES. SO THE COMMUNITY SANCTUARY PROJECT IS NOT GEARED TOWARDS THE DIRECT VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILIES. IT'S GEARED TOWARDS THE CONSTANT EXPOSURE TO GUN VIOLENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S ADDRESSING THE RESIDENTS RATHER THAN THE DIRECT VICTIMS. AT TIMES WE DO GET THE DIRECT VICTIMS SHOWING UP THEIR FAMILIES, WE GET THE PERPETRATORS, FAMILY SHOWS UP. SO IT DOES DOES PRESENT US WITH SOME SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE [01:15:05] TO MITIGATE WHILE WE'RE THERE. SEPARATE FROM THAT, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNERALS. WE DO WORK WITH CHURCHES ACROSS THE CITY THAT PROVIDE FUNERALS TO HIGH RISK INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE GUN CULTURE. WE CONSULT WITH THEM, AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CONSULT WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE HAVE SENT OUR OUTREACH WORKERS AND OUR OUTREACH PARTNERS TO THOSE FUNERALS. WHEN REQUESTED BY BY THOSE PASTORS THAT ARE CONDUCTING THOSE FUNERALS. AND IF I MAY REDIRECT, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT. IT'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS, BUT THEY CAN OVERLAP WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND THE VICTIMS AND THE FAMILIES, AND WITH THE PREVENTION WORK YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. SO I KNOW YOU DON'T. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PIVOT TO PEACE AND WE HAVE SOME AMAZING PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE VICTIMS. BUT WHEN THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHITE, BLACK AND OTHER ARE KILLED BY PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF NATURAL OVERLAP. SO I'M REALLY I REALLY FEEL BETTER HEARING THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING ALL THOSE ASPECTS AND THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH THOSE FAITH LEADERS, BECAUSE SOME FAITH LEADERS CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE CERTAIN HIGH PROFILE OR THOSE RELATED FUNERALS AT THEIR PLACE. AND IT IS DEVASTATING TO FAMILIES WHEN THEY CAN'T HAVE THEIR LOVED ONE BURIED AT THE CHURCH THAT THEY GREW UP IN, OR WERE BAPTIZED IN. SO I'M I'M COMFORTED HEARING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT. AND I'M HOPING THAT AS YOU CONTINUE TO DO OUTREACH, YOU ALL ARE BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TO KIND OF GET IN FRONT OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN SO THAT THOSE CHURCHES AND THE MEMBERS CAN GET THAT SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT THEY DESERVE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR DAN SAMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ONE QUESTION THAT'S FROM SOME FOLKS. ANYBODY IN THIS SECURITY GROUP ARE THEY CONNECTED WITH OSHA IN ANY WAY OR HAVE THEY WORKED WITH OSHA IN ANY WAY? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO, THANK YOU. I WILL I WILL STATE RAUNAK'S HAS WORKED WITH US IN THE PAST AS A AS A CONTRACT, BUT NOT NO, THERE'S NO RELATIONS TO ANYBODY THAT I'M AWARE OF IN OUR AGENCY TO ANY OF THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT ORGANIZATION. NOR DO I AM I AWARE OF ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES BEING EMPLOYED BY RHINOX. IS ANY OF THEM THE OWNER? WHO'S THE OWNER? AARON MCGEHEE. MY LITTLE FINGER. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECURITY TONIGHT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO CHIME IN LOOKING. THEY HAVE A VERY NICE WEBSITE AND I JUST WANT TO LIKE GIVE THEM CREDIT THERE. AND I LOOKED UP. WE DO HAVE APPROVED ARMED GUARD TRAINERS AND THEY ARE NOT ON THE LIST. SO SINCE THEY ARE A CONTRACTING AGENCY WITH LOUISVILLE METRO, POTENTIALLY IT MIGHT BE GREAT TO ADD THEM TO OUR LIST OF APPROVED TRAINERS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE A MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ABC OR YOU WANT ME TO. WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I BELIEVE WE HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT GETTING APPROVED WITH THE CITY ON THE CITY'S LIST AS WELL. YES, SURE, SURE. IT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE. AND WILL THESE SECURITY OFFICERS BE ARMED? THEY WILL BE ARMED, YES. OKAY. THEY ARE CONCEALED ARMED TO. THEY'RE THEY'RE PLAINCLOTHES, CONCEALED. CONCEALED ARM. THEY'RE NOT OPEN CARRY JUST TO IN IN A WORLD WHERE THEY WERE NOT ARMED. I WOULD WANT TO SAY THAT HOPEFULLY WITH THE AGENCY AND BEING EMPLOYEES OF THAT AGENCY, THEY WOULD ALL BE TRAINED IF THEY WERE UNARMED IN OUR ORDINANCE PASSED. BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT A LITTLE LOOPHOLE. I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A LOOPHOLE, BUT SPECIAL EVENT SECURITY IS OMITTED FROM HAVING A LICENSE. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND FOLKS ABOUT THAT. THIS IS KIND OF A WEIRD AREA WHERE IT'S SPECIAL EVENT, BUT IT'S ALSO AN AGENCY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE IN CASE ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS AND THEIR SECURITY IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR LAST RESORT FOR US, IF ANYTHING'S ACTING UP OR PEOPLE ARE ACTING UP AND THERE'S TIME WE LMPD IS OUR FIRST PHONE CALL THAT WE MAKE. SO THE SECURITY HERE IS LAST RESORT FOR INSURANCE AGAINST AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD SHOOTINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAPPENED A BLOCK AWAY. WE HAD KIDS OUT IN A FIELD WHILE THE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING. SO WE'VE DONE THAT TRAINING WITH THEM AND THEY'RE NOT EXPECTED TO DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE LITTLE INCIDENT. ANYTHING IS CRIMINAL AND STUFF. WE DO CALL LMPD. ALL RIGHT, BEING THAT I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ITEM PASSES AND WILL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. MR. CLERK, PLEASE READ ITEM FIVE INTO THE RECORD. PLEASE. A RESOLUTION [01:20:06] PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVE, NEGOTIATED SOLE SOURCE CONTRACT FOR METRO ANIMAL SERVICES CONCERNING A TRAP NEUTER AND RETURN PROGRAM FOR COMMUNITY CATS. ALLEY CAT [5. R-150-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES, APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED SOLE SOURCE CONTRACT FOR METRO ANIMAL SERVICES CONCERNING A TRAP NEUTER AND RETURN PROGRAM FOR COMMUNITY CATS (ALLEY CAT ADVOCATES, INC. - $75,000.00). Action Required By: May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Markus Winkler (D17) ] ADVOCATES, INC. FOR $75,000. READ THE FULL MOTION. SECOND, THE ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER DAN SAM. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAMMY HAWKINS. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? MY NAME IS JUSTIN FRANKLIN. I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AT METRO ANIMAL SERVICES. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS? YES. I'M SORRY. THIS IS OUR SOLE SOURCE CONTRACT WITH ALLEY CAT ADVOCATES. WE'VE BEEN A PARTNER WITH THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THIS CONTRACT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED TO INCREASE IN FUNDING DUE TO INFLATION. AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN INCREASE IN OVER FIVE YEARS. THIS AGENCY PARTNERS WITH US FOR THE TRAP AND RELEASE PROGRAM. SO WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WE CALL. THEY'RE CALLED TRAPPERS. WE'LL BRING IN CATS FROM THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF, THAT STAY OUTSIDE. WE WILL SPAY AND NEUTER THEM, GIVE THEM THEIR SHOTS EAR TIP THEM AND SEND THEM BACK OUT. AND THEN THOSE, THEY CAN ALSO COME BACK IN IF THEY EVER NEED SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL SERVICES. AND ALLEY CAT PARTNERS WITH US, PARTNERS WITH US WITH THAT, SO WE CAN FOCUS ON OTHER AREAS. AND THEY CARRY A THEY HELP US IN THAT WA. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A COMMENT, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE FLOOR. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, THANK YOU. THIS IS A REALLY GOOD THING. AND THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING ABOUT INFLATION AND THEM NOT HAVING MORE FUNDING FOR FIVE YEARS. I THINK IT'S OVERDUE. I ACTUALLY HAVE A TRAPPER THAT LIVES THREE DOORS FROM ME, AND I BELIEVE THE OLDER WOMAN THAT WAS IN MY HOME BEFORE WE MOVED IN KEPT A LOT OF CATS BECAUSE THEY STILL KEEP COMING AROUND ENTERTAINING OUR DOGS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THIS, AND THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES HELPING TO DO THIS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE US ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND WE JUST ADOPTED LANDLORD, LANDLORD LINES IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING HIM FROM LMAS AND HE WAS ALREADY FIXED AND WE ONLY HAD TO PAY A DOLLAR FOR THAT ADOPTION FEE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. SURE. I JUST WANTED TO ANY TIME THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU TO LMAS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO, I ALWAYS SAY THAT SOME OF THE HARDEST WORKING FOLKS IN LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY HARD WORKING PEOPLE HERE. AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SING THE PRAISE OF ALLEY CAT ADVOCATES, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS LMAS AND ALLEY CAT, WERE JUST PARTICIPATING IN OUR BOB EVENT, WHICH WAS REALLY WONDERFUL. BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALLEY CATS FOR YEARS, AND I'VE HAD A FEW TNR CATS GO THROUGH THEIR PROGRAM, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THEM AND TO YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO FOR THE ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WELL, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING US PART OF YOUR EVENTS. WE DO APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE SPEAKERS IN THE QUEUE HEARING NONE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSE THIS ITEM PASSES. IT WILL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. CLERK. READ ITEM SIX, PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $963,000 OF [6. R-151-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $963,000 OF FUNDING FROM DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE BYRNE DISCRETIONARY COMMUNITY PROJECT GRANTS PROGRAM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. Action Required By: May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Tammy Hawkins (D-1) ] FUNDING FROM DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE BURN DISCRETIONARY COMMUNITY PROJECT GRANTS PROGRAM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. READ AND FULL MOTION. SECOND ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER DAN SAMS, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS. WE HAVE MR. CALLAHAN HERE TO SPEAK TODAY FOR THIS. GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING, PAUL CALLANAN, OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. YEAH. WE ARE ASKING FOR AUTHORIZATION FROM THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT THE $963,000 IN FUNDING FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT THE LOUISVILLE GANG REENTRY PROJECT. THIS IS A TWO YEAR GRANT THAT WILL SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON IDENTIFYING AND SUPPORTING THOSE HIGH RISK INDIVIDUALS, GANG MEMBERS WHO ARE EXITING CUSTODY FROM INCARCERATION, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH CORRECTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITIES OR PLACEMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH STATE PRISONS. WE KNOW FROM RESEARCH THAT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RETURNING TO THE COMMUNITY HAVE A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO THE RISE OF GANG CONFLICT AND GANG SHOOTINGS IN THE COMMUNITY. WHAT THIS PROJECT DOES WILL FUND A TEAM OF OUTREACH WORKERS WORKING ALONGSIDE OF REENTRY SPECIALISTS, AND WORKING WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I MENTIONED TO IDENTIFY THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE COMING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THEM, UP FRONT WHILE THEY'RE IN CUSTODY, AND THEN WHEN THEY TRANSITION OUT. THIS IS NOT A TRADITIONAL REENTRY PROGRAM. WHILE THERE ARE REENTRY SERVICES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED STANDARD TO EVERYBODY ELSE, THE MAIN CONCENTRATION IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PRESENCE OF THAT INDIVIDUAL BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO DO, TO THE DYNAMICS OF GANG VIOLENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE [01:25:04] INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SHOT OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BACK OUT AND INDIVIDUALS ARE WAITING FOR THEM. YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHOSE FAMILY MEMBERS WERE RECENTLY KILLED BY GUN VIOLENCE, AND THEY'RE COMING OUT, AND THERE'S A GREAT RISK OF RETALIATION ONCE THEY GET OUT. SO THIS PROGRAM WILL ALLOW US TO GET INTO THESE FACILITIES AHEAD OF TIME TO START LOOKING AT THAT UNIQUE DYNAMIC, WORKING WITH JUST THE INDIVIDUAL, THE INDIVIDUAL'S FAMILY, IF NECESSARY, TO SORT OF MITIGATE ANY OF THAT CONFLICT OR VIOLENCE THAT MIGHT ERUPT RELATED TO THOSE GANG CONNECTIONS. IT DOES FUND A PROJECT MANAGER FOR OCEAN. IT FUNDS THREE OCEAN OUTREACH WORKERS, AND THEN THERE'S $150,000 A YEAR THAT WILL FUND THREE REENTRY SPECIALISTS FROM COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL WORK AS A TEAM ON THIS PROJECT. NO QUESTION. REALLY QUICK ABOUT THE PILOT. SO I REMEMBER BACK WHEN THE CHIEF CAME OVER, NOT THE CURRENT CHIEF. THE ONE BEFORE, AND I SPOKE TO HER ABOUT THIS GANG ISSUE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT I KNOW SHE HAD SAID THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND THIS YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS. SHE HAD ALREADY HAD SOMETHING IN THE WORKS AND MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE GANG INITIATIVE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? AND IF YOU DON'T, I WANT TO KNOW. DOES THIS FUNDING ALLOW FOR RELOCATION? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU PUT THOSE GANG MEMBERS BACK INTO THESE SAME SPACES, EITHER ONE, THEY GET BACK INTO WHAT THEY WERE DOING OR TWO, THEIR LIVES IS IN JEOPARDY. SO, YOU KNOW, IS IT DO THEY HAVE TO WHEN THEY COME OUT AND THEY RUN AND SCARED AND THEY CALL YOU AND YOU KNOW, YOUR TEAM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NEVER NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ANY MONEY ANYMORE OR YOU ALL DON'T DO THOSE SERVICES AND YOU FORWARD THEM TO ANOTHER ENTITY. AND THEN WE FIND OUT THAT ENTITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY FUNDING ANYMORE. SO CAN YOU TELL ME JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE EITHER THIS FUNDING IS NOT FOR THAT. WILL WE GET FUNDING FOR THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE OVER THIS OR IS IT GOING TO BE A DIRECTOR SPECIFICALLY OVER THIS? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TELL MY CONSTITUENTS WHERE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS. YOU KNOW, IN MY DISTRICT, THEIR KIDS ARE INVOLVED IN GANG VIOLENCE, AND WHEN THEY COME OUT, THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEIR KIDS OUT OF HERE. NO LONG QUESTION, BUT I'LL ANSWER IT FOR YOU. A LOT OF PARTS TO THAT. SO THIS PROJECT WILL ACTUALLY BE PART OF OUR PIVOT TO PEACE INITIATIVE, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION INITIATIVE. I BELIEVE WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS CHIEF YOU WERE SPEAKING TO WAS DOCTOR MONIQUE WILLIAMS, WHO PRECEDED ME, AND ON HOW WE WERE GOING TO SPEND ARP FUNDS. SO IT MIGHT HELP JUST QUICKLY TO EXPLAIN THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY'S FUNDED COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION MODEL. STOP YOU REAL QUICK, PAUL. NO, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT. I WAS TALKING ABOUT CHIEF VILLARREAL. OKAY. YEAH, IT WAS SOME MONEY. I THINK THAT THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAD. IT WAS A POT OF MONEY. ACTUALLY, I JUST I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT MONEY WENT TO. IF IT WENT TO YOU ALL FOR THAT BECAUSE SHE HAD AN INITIATIVE. YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER ASKING HER, WAS SHE AWARE OF IT WASN'T HER DEPARTMENT? WAS SHE AWARE OF THE GANG ISSUE THAT WE HAVE? AND SHE SAID SHE WAS. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL NOT BEEN A SOLUTION TO THIS HUGE GANG ISSUE THAT THIS CITY HAS. WE RECEIVED NO FUNDING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT THE PIVOT TO PEACE INITIATIVE IS REALLY COMPOSED OF SEVERAL SEPARATE PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORKING TOGETHER UNDER THE PIVOT TO PEACE MODEL, THE COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION MODEL. THERE'S A NUMBER OF AGENCIES GOODWILL. DOES THE VIOLENCE INTERVENTION STUFF IN PARTNERSHIP WITH VOA. THEY'RE THE STREET LEVEL TEAM THAT'S OUT THERE CONNECTING, MITIGATING CONFLICTS AND STUFF. VOA IS THERE DIRECT SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION. SO A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS DON'T WANT TO ESCAPE THE CULTURE, BUT THEY DO NEED SOME QUICK SERVICES. THAT'S VOA'S ROLE. SO EVERYBODY HAS A ROLE. GOODWILL IS THE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION. VOA OCEAN PROVIDES LONG TERM GANG ASSISTANCE. THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT SAY, LOOK, I WANT SOMETHING BEYOND JUST GETTING A JOB. I NEED HELP GETTING OUT OF THIS NETWORK THAT I'M IN RIGHT NOW. THOSE CASES GET REFERRED TO US. THIS PROJECT WILL ADD TO THAT AS WELL. TO THIS PROJECT WILL LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUALS COMING OUT AND PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. SO THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS WORKING WITH REALLY WELL DEFINED ROLES AND NO ROLES BEING DUPLICATIVE OF THAT. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO RELOCATION, THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW. IN ADDITION TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I MENTIONED, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH GVI, WHICH GVI IS A SEPARATE CITY AGENCY. THEY TO TEND TO SEND MOST OF THEIR CLIENTS TO US FOR SERVICES, BUT THEY WRESTLE WITH RELOCATION. RELOCATION IS TRICKY. IT'S VERY TRICKY BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS OFTEN IS WE'RE SENDING INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SHOOTINGS, AND THE FIRST THING [01:30:02] WHEN WE APPROACH THEM AND ASK THEM FOR ASSISTANCE, THE FIRST THING THEY ALL FAMILIES SAY ALL THE TIME IS WE WANT TO LEAVE TOWN, WE WANT TO LEAVE THIS. BUT IT'S THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTINGS. IT'S NOT JUST VICTIMS, IT'S FAMILIES THAT ARE SHOOTING BACK. ORIGINALLY, WHEN I FIRST STARTED THREE YEARS AGO, WE WERE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF THIS RELOCATION AND WE HAD INDIVIDUALS THAT WE WERE MOVING TO OTHER CITIES, ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THEY WERE COMING BACK TO OUR CITY COMMITTING SHOOTINGS AND THEN GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE AT RIGHT. OR THEY WOULDN'T. WE WOULD PAY MONEY FOR THEM TO MOVE TO ANOTHER CITY. AND THEN WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEY'RE BACK IN LOUISVILLE. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL THE PARTNERS ON HOW TO BEST USE RELOCATION. I DO AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S A CRITICAL TOOL, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A PROCESS OF WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL IS AT. IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS SHOWING THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH US OR ANY OF OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS, THEY HAVE MADE THIS DESIRE TO MAKE A CHANGE. AND THAT THING IS PROHIBITING THEM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHERS ARE ATTACKING THEM. THEN I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR RELOCATION ON THAT. NOW, THERE IS SOME, SOME, SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT OF USING CITY DOLLARS. WE ARE MOVING INDIVIDUALS THAT POSSIBLY ARE SUSPECTS IN SHOOTINGS. AND IS THAT HOW THE CITY WANTS TO FAIRLY SPEND THEIR DOLLARS? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WRESTLED WITH. OCEAN PERFECT. WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO THAT. WHAT WE WILL DO IS ON RELOCATION IS IF SOMEONE SECTION EIGHT, WE HAVE TEN RESERVATIONS WITH SECTION EIGHT THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET PRIORITY WITH SECTION EIGHT, THAT WE CAN WORK WITH SECTION EIGHT TO GET THEM MOVED TO ANOTHER CITY. WE MAY HELP SOME OF THEM WITH RENTAL LIKE OF A U-HAUL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S TO OUR EXTENT. WE DON'T PAY THEIR RENT TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING. OFTEN. A LOT OF THE FAMILIES THAT WANT TO LEAVE, THEY OWE A LOT OF MONEY AND BACK RENT ON THEIR CURRENT PLACE, SO THEY CAN'T GET A NEW PLACE NO MATTER WHERE THEY GO. AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR IT. SO WE DON'T DO THAT. SO IT IS AN OPTION ON THE TABLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES. THE BENEFIT OF GOODWILL, JOSHUA CONNECTORS AND OTHERS TO BE IN PARTNERS IS THEY GET PRIVATE FOUNDATION DOLLARS AND THEY COULD CHOOSE HOW TO USE THOSE DOLLARS. SO A LOT OF THE RELOCATION THAT YOU'RE SEEING RECENTLY ARE COMING FROM PRIVATE DOLLARS. THEY DON'T HAVE SORT OF THE ATTACHMENT TO TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO IT, BUT OVERALL IT'S NOT A VERY SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SO ARE YOU IN THE HIRING FACTOR OF THE GOODWILL AND THE WHEN THEY HIRE DIRECTOR TO TAKE ON THIS NEW ROLE? YEAH. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE ORIGINALLY WERE CONTRACTED WITH FIVE SEPARATE AGENCIES TO PROVIDE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION AT ABOUT $1.5 MILLION TO EACH AGENCY. THOSE CONTRACTS, ALL EXPIRED AT THE END OF DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO AS WE'RE COMING TO THE END, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD TO ASK OURSELVES IS HOW DO WE SUSTAIN THIS? I MEAN, MY AGENCY RECEIVED A $2 MILLION BUDGET REDUCTION. NONE OF THESE ARP DOLLARS THAT WERE EXPENDED WERE GOING TO BE INCREASED THROUGH THROUGH THROUGH FUNDING FROM FROM THE CITY. SO TO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PROJECT ALIVE, WHAT WE DID IS WE REFOCUSED. SO WE SAVE COSTS BY GOING WITH ONE ORGANIZATION RATHER THAN WITH FIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT SAVED US A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SHIFT. AND ALSO WHEN WE CHOSE GOODWILL AS AN ORGANIZATION, THESE ARE ARP FUNDS. SO A LOT OF THE EXISTING AGENCIES OUT THERE THAT TYPICALLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN, DO THIS WORK ARE VERY GRASSROOTS AND THEY CANNOT FRONT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S REQUIRED TO DO IT. SO GOODWILL WAS PICKED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, I'M GETTING TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT FIRST PRIORITY HIRING GOES TO ALL THOSE OUTREACH WORKERS, VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE PROJECT. SO WHEN GOODWILL STARTED HIRING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, ALL THOSE OUTREACH WORKERS WERE INVITED TO REAPPLY. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN REHIRED, SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T. A MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE NOT OPTED TO. YOU KNOW, GO WITH GOODWILL. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING FOR TEAMS WITH GOODWILL. WE HAVE NOW HIRED THREE FULL TEAMS. I BELIEVE THE LAST ESTIMATE I WAS GIVING THE OTHER DAY WAS WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PROJECT MANAGER FOR ONE OF THE SITES AND A COUPLE OUTREACH WORKERS. SO WE ANTICIPATE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH TO HAVE A FULLY STAFFED TEAM. THE TEAMS COMPRISED OF VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS, WHICH ARE GOODWILL EMPLOYEES, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OUT IN THE STREET MAKING CONTACT EVERY DAY WITH INDIVIDUALS, MITIGATING. EACH TEAM IS STAFFED WITH ONE VOA COMMUNITY HEALTH SPECIALIST THAT DOES THOSE IMMEDIATE SERVICES. IF THERE'S MENTAL HEALTH, THERE'S HEALTH ISSUES, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN OCEAN HAS ASSIGNED TWO OF OUR OUTREACH WORKERS TO EACH TEAM AS A LIAISON FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT FURTHER MORE EXTENSIVE HELP OF HOW TO EXIT THE LIFESTYLE. SO WE ARE PROBABLY 85% OF THE WAY OF STAFFING ALL THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. SO YOU FEEL LIKE TWO YEARS. OKAY. SO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT THIS WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE? I HOPE SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS WAS A PILOT FOR THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED A LOT IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE FUNDED. RIGHT? WE KNEW GOING INTO THIS THAT CBI IS A MIXED BAG OF GOODS, RIGHT. IT'S STILL PROVEN. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF RESEARCH BEHIND IT. SOME CITIES INEFFECTIVE, SOME CITIES IT'S [01:35:01] NOT. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS HERE. RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE FOUND WHEN WE CONTRACTED TO THE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS, THAT WAS A PROBLEM FOR US WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE WORKERS THEMSELVES. IT WAS THE MANAGEMENT. THE AGENCIES THEMSELVES DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THE WORKERS. THEY WEREN'T MANAGING THE WORKERS. SO IT KIND OF PUT A LOT OF DELAY ON ON SHOWING POSITIVE RESULTS. WE DID SEE SOME GOOD NUMBERS COMING OUT OF THE COMMUNITIES. THESE THESE AREAS WHERE THEY WERE WORKING IN VIOLENCE DID GO DOWN IN SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES. THE PROBLEM WAS THERE WAS BAD RECORD KEEPING AND BAD DATA COLLECTION BY THE ORGANIZATION. SO IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR US TO TIE THAT DIRECTLY TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. UNDER THE NEW MODEL. WE ONLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONE LEADERSHIP, AND THAT'S REALLY GOODWILL. WE'RE ABLE TO CONTROL A LOT OF THAT. THAT'S GOING ON. IN ADDITION, THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE TIME, WE CREATED YOU ALL FUNDED US A DATA EVALUATION DIRECTOR FOR OUR AGENCY. WE'VE CREATED A WHOLE FULL TWO YEAR EVALUATION PLAN WHERE WE'LL BE MAKING SURE AND BE ABLE TO TEST WHETHER THESE FOUR SITES ARE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. AND WE'LL DO A FULL EVALUATION. WE'RE LOOKING IN TWO AREAS. DID WE CHANGE NORMS AND VALUES IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE JUST COMPLETED ABOUT 400 COMMUNITY SURVEYS IN THE TARGETED AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN ABOUT USING GUNS TO ADDRESS VIOLENCE. AND WE ALSO CAME UP WITH A SYSTEM, A NEW EVALUATION OF HOW WE'RE EVALUATING THE SUCCESS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BEING WORKED WITH. NOT ONLY DID THEY DESIST FROM SHOOTINGS, BUT DID THEY REALLY CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR. SO WE THINK AT THE END OF THE TWO YEARS, AT THE END OF NOVEMBER OF 2026, WE'LL BE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, EITHER WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTINUE TO FUND CBI PROGRAMS IN THIS CITY OR NOT FUND CBI PROGRAMS IN THIS CITY. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION. WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING FOR OUR IN-HOUSE OUTREACH. WE'RE ALSO DOING IT FOR THE HOSPITAL VIOLENCE INTERVENTION PROGRAM, WHICH IS PART OF CBI AS WELL, TOO. THEY HAVE FOUR COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS AT THE HOSPITAL AND THEN NOW THE REENTRY. SO EVERY COMPONENT IS ACTUALLY GETTING A THOROUGH EVALUATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. OH. ALL RIGHT. YES. THANK YOU. FIRST I WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, AS SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS DEAL WITH THIS MORE THAN OTHERS. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU SOUND A LITTLE HOSTILE BECAUSE YOU'RE NEW IN THIS ROLE AND YOU'VE INHERITED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE ARE REALLY COUNTING ON THE WORK OF OCEAN TO HELP ADDRESS THIS. AND WE ONLY CAN DO SO MUCH. AND AS YOU'VE EXPRESSED, IT CAN'T JUST BE OCEAN BY ITSELF, AND IT WON'T BE GOODWILL BY ITSELF. WE HAVE A HABIT IN OUR CITY OF FUNDING THE SAME USUAL SUSPECTS AND EXPANDING WHAT THEY DO, AND WE DON'T BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE. I WANTED TO SEE IF DOCTOR EDDIE WOODS AND THE NO MORE RED DOTS FOLKS AND HIS TEAM IS A PART OF THIS AT SOME LEVEL. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW I LOVE THE JOSHUA CONNECTORS. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM. I THIS YEAR, ALONG WITH MY OWN MONEY, HAVE HELPED FOUR PEOPLE RELOCATE. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WHEN WE SAY THINGS LIKE, HEY, WE HELP THEM RELOCATE, THEY COME BACK. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT SET UP IN A NEW ENVIRONMENT, IF THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE NEXT STEPS, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO WHAT THEY KNOW. ALSO, WHAT YOU DON'T GET TO ALLUDE TO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LMPD, IS SOMETIMES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LMPD IDENTIFYING PEOPLE TO GIVE THEM CRIMINAL INFORMATION. SOMETIMES IT GETS LEAKED, WHO GAVE IT? AND SO THAT FUELS A LOT OF THE RETALIATION AND STUFF THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND DEALING WITH. THERE IS A ROLE THAT SOMETIMES IT'S YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TRY TO BE NEGLIGENT, BUT IT HAPPENS IN THE TRANSFER OF INFORMATION. AND SO THESE FAMILIES WHO SOMETIMES YOU'VE RELOCATED HAVE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. IF SOMEBODY CAN'T GET TO ME, THEY MIGHT TRY TO GET TO MY KIDS AND SO ON AND SO ON. SO THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES IN THIS THAT I KNOW YOU DON'T GET TO COVER IN THIS COMMITTEE MEETING. I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THIS OFFICE OF SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS WAS SET UP IN AN AMAZING WAY. AND REALLY, THE LEADERSHIP HAVE ALL TRIED TO DO WHAT THEY CAN. THE ALSO, THE ISSUE IS WITH OUR CIT, WE HAVE A LOT OF PILOT PROGRAMS. WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE START, BUT WE DON'T SEE THEM THROUGH. AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT TWO YEARS LATER AND IN ANOTHER TWO YEARS, WE'LL SEE IF WE NEED TO FUND GVI. I CAN TELL YOU THE ANSWER TO THAT, BECAUSE I LIVE THE DATA, WE WILL STILL NEED TO FUND IT, BUT I THINK IF WE IF WE SHOW CONSISTENCY AND WE SHOW THAT WE'RE BEING INTENTIONAL AND INCLUSIVE, THERE'S PEOPLE NOT BEING BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. THERE'S FAITH LEADERS, THERE'S GROUPS LIKE CYCLE BREAKERS. THERE'S ALL THESE AMAZING FOLKS THAT MAY BE WORKING WITH SMALLER SETS OF THE POPULATION. GRANDMASTER KHALID, ALL OF THESE FOLKS WHO ARE DOING AMAZING WORK AND IT'S ANTI-VIOLENCE WORK. THEY'RE NOT BEING BROUGHT INTO THE CIRCLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A USUAL SUSPECT. SO I IMPLORE YOU, AS A NEW PERSON IN THIS ROLE, YES, YOU GOT A JOB TO DO. YOU ANSWER TO THE MAYOR, ALL OF THESE FOLKS, I GET THAT. BUT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND? OUR WORDS HAVE TO MATCH OUR ACTIONS AND WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB AT BEING [01:40:03] INCLUSIVE. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHOSE IDEAS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AND FUNDED THROUGH OTHER GROUPS, AND SO WE'RE DEALING WITH A WHOLE LOT AT ONCE. AND YOU CAN'T CARRY IT ALONE. AND NOR CAN YOUR OFFICE CARRY IT BY ITSELF. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHERE IS WHERE ARE SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT, INCLUDING DOCTOR EDDIE WOODS? AND NO MORE RED DOTS AND GRANDMASTER COULD LEAD IN SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THEY WERE A PART OF SOME OF THIS IN THE BEGINNING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE THINGS ARE NOW. AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND ANSWERING THIS, BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SOME OF US AS COUNCIL, THIS IS AN ISSUE WE SEE ON AND OFF THE SCREEN. SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, HEY, OCEAN IS DOING THIS, OR CONTACT THIS PERSON AT OCEAN, LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE IT'S EFFECTIVE. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO LET YOU. YEAH. NO, I WILL SAY, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, I HAVE SPOKE TO. MR. CALLAHAN ABOUT CYCLE BREAKERS BEFORE. I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. AND I WANT TO SAY NO MORE RED DOTS AS WELL. AND I BELIEVE THAT HE'S PARTNERED WITH BOTH OF THEM BEFORE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT SOME OF THE THINGS HE CAN'T DISCLOSE. BUT I WILL SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE WERE TWO ENTITIES THAT AND HE CAN IF HE CHOOSES TO. BUT I CAN SPEAK TO YOU OFF RECORD ABOUT THOSE TWO ENTITIES, JUST THOSE TWO THAT I KNOW OFFHAND THAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT ABOUT TRYING TO GET FUNDING FOR THEM AS FAR AS THEM DOING WORK IN BOTH OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. SO, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, EVERY, EVERY ORGANIZATION AND PERSON THAT YOU MENTIONED WE FUNDED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, INCLUDING CYCLE BREAKERS, NO MORE RED DOTS, MISTER KHALID THROUGH, I BELIEVE HE WAS WITH ONE OF OUR CVI SITES AND HE WAS HE WAS EMPLOYED THROUGH THEM. WE'VE GIVEN OUT OVER 200, I MEAN, $25 MILLION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO ORGANIZATIONS OFTEN, WHICH IS NOT UNDERSTOOD IS ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ARE FUNDING. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE GET PEOPLE THAT COME FORTH AND SAY, HEY, I'M NOT GETTING ANY FUNDING FROM THE CITY, WHEN IN FACT THEY HAVE GOTTEN FUNDED. CYCLE BREAKERS GOT $20,000 FROM US LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE. NO MORE RED DOTS GOT A TOTAL PROBABLY. THEY WERE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CVI SITES. THEY PROBABLY GOT A TOTAL CLOSE TO ABOUT $2 MILLION FROM US. SO WE HAVE FUNDED THEM THOROUGHLY FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE OPTED TO TERMINATE OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM AS THE CVI ORGANIZATION. AS WE FELT THEY WEREN'T DOING THE MODEL ITSELF. NOW, I WANT TO BE CLEAR NO MORE RED DOTS DOES GOOD WORK. THEY DO PREVENTION WORK AND OTHER WORK. THEY JUST WERE NOT DOING THE MODEL THAT WE ASKED THEM TO FUND, WHICH WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO DETERMINE WHETHER I'M GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY. SO WE OPTED TO TERMINATE THAT THAT CONTRACT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OCEAN OF DOING IS WE MAPPED OUT LAST ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE INVITED OVER 400 ORGANIZATIONS TO A MEETING IN THE CITY ABOUT DO VIOLENCE INTERVENTION WORK. AND WE SPENT TWO DAYS WITH THEM MAKING SURE THAT EVERY ORGANIZATION HAD A VOICE AND WAS HEARD. AND WE MAPPED OUT THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF WHAT WE CALL LOUISVILLE'S GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION ECOSYSTEM. THERE'S HUNDREDS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT THAT DO WORK EVERY DAY THAT DON'T GET THE RECOGNITION. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE A VOICE AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE PUT IN CAPACITY BUILDING PROGRAMS FOR GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS. CYCLE BREAKERS WAS A BENEFIT OF THAT. BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUOUSLY FUND ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS AT ALL TIMES. WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. WHAT'S BEST TO BE FUNDED. WE'RE HELD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHETHER THE PROJECTS WE'RE FUNDING ARE EFFECTIVE OR NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND ARGUE FOR MORE DOLLARS FOR PROGRAMS THAT I'M NOT SURE MYSELF ARE EFFECTIVE, I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO YOU ALL. SO WE TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. YOU ALL, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS GOT AN INVITE FROM US ON DECEMBER 16TH. WE'RE BRINGING ALL 400 ORGANIZATIONS BACK TOGETHER FOR A ONE DAY EVENT WHERE WE IDENTIFIED 15 DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WORK EVERY DAY TO ADDRESS GUN VIOLENCE, AND WE'RE BRINGING THEM BACK TOGETHER TO BUILD THEIR CAPACITY TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, TO HEAR THE VOICE OF HOW WE AS A CITY CAN GET COLLECTIVELY BETTER. SO I DO THINK WE REACH OUT TO EVERY ORGANIZATION ACROSS THE CITY. WHAT I DON'T HAVE IS A BUDGET THAT COULD FUND. YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME UP AND HAVE GOOD IDEAS. I SIMPLY JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE WANT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE STOPPED TO CHANGE AND WHAT WE STOPPED DOING WHEN I BECAME THE DIRECTOR IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA AND WE FUND A PROGRAM AND WE WANT TO GO SCALE IT RIGHT AWAY. WE WANT TO PUT IT. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH CVI. WE OPTED WITH SIX CVI OR FIVE CVI SITES FOR ALMOST A $10 MILLION INVESTMENT WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE OR EVEN PROPERLY SET UP IN THE CITY. THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE ON THE CITY'S PART. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ON THAT. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE ONE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS EFFECTIVE AND THEN SCALE. AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE IF WE'RE HERE, GOOD IDEAS AND IT'S GOOD WE HAVE [01:45:04] THE POSSIBILITY TO FUND IT. WE'LL FUND IT. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS. IF IT WORKS, THEN WE WANT TO SPREAD IT TO ANOTHER AREA. A LOT OF PROGRAMS ARE BEING SPREAD CITY WIDE, BUT THEY'RE ONLY EFFECTIVE IN SMALL AREAS. COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION PROGRAMS HAVE ONLY BEEN EFFECTIVE IN HALF SQUARE MILES. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIND THOSE AREAS THAT EXPERIENCE THE MOST VIOLENCE AND PUT THOSE PROGRAMS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PREVIOUS ORGANIZATIONS HAD A DESIRE TO GO CITY WIDE. THAT DILUTES THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM. SO I THINK WE DO THE BEST. WE CAN. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN IN ACKNOWLEDGING THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ACROSS THE CITY EVERY DAY. WE'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK IN OUR ORGANIZATION OF ENSURING THAT VOICES FROM ALL LEVELS OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE BEING HEARD. JUST LAST NIGHT, WE WERE HERE PRESENTING ON A GRANT THAT WE GOT FROM A COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY MEMBER IN SHAWNEE, WHO HAD A GOOD IDEA TO REDUCE VIOLENCE IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH COMMUNITY ALLEYWAYS. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING, BUT WE WENT OUT. WE FOUND A GRANT THROUGH BLOOMBERG, BLOOMBERG PHILANTHROPIES TO FUND $100,000 FOR HIS IDEA. SO WE DO THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR ORGANIZATION DOES, AND THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT TO MAKE THE CITY SAFE. BUT WE WANT TO BUILD IT ON SUSTAINABILITY, NOT JUST THROWING MONEY AT IT. IF WE'RE GOING TO FUND PROJECTS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THESE PROJECTS WORKS. THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP EARLIER ABOUT COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS, WHY DID WE PICK COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS OVER OUTREACH WORKERS? WELL, COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS CAN BUILD FOR MANY PAID RIGHT NOW FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN 2021 SAID. YOU CAN BUILD STATES, CAN BUILD MEDICAID FOR VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAMS. SO IF WE WANT TO SUSTAIN OUR CURRENT VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY CVI, THAT WE WANT TO EVALUATE HOW COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS COULD DO IT, BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND AND CONVINCE KENTUCKY STATE TO ALLOW US TO BUILD FOR VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAMS. A VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAM IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE PROGRAMS TO SUSTAIN. RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO FIND FUNDING FOR IT FOR THAT. SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. IS WORKING WITH VOA NOT ONLY IN THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER, BUT FIGURING OUT HOW MAYBE LOUISVILLE AND WE CAN CHANGE IF WE NEED TO. THE PROCESSES IN KENTUCKY WHERE WE CAN START BILLING MEDICAID FOR SOME OF THOSE SERVICES. SO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, THEY COULD THEY COULD THEY DON'T NEED THE HELP OF THE CITY. THEY COULD SET UP A PROGRAM TO BUILD VIOLENCE PREVENTION SERVICES AND DO IT FOR A FEE FOR SERVICE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A BIGGER, LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE. CAN I JUST SAY ONE COMMENT? I AGREE WITH YOU. I NEVER TELL AN ORGANIZATION THAT THE CITY WILL FUND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. I THE GOOD THING ABOUT ME IS I'VE BEEN DOING NONPROFIT WORK FOR OVER 25 YEARS. I DEFINITELY HAVE HAD TO FUNDRAISE FOR MY SALARY BEFORE, SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A COLLECTIVE EFFORT OF EVERYONE THAT I DEFINITELY AGREE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU AND YOU KNOW SOME OF THIS, THAT OUR CITY HAS A HISTORY OF JUST GOING TO THE SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND NOT DIVERSIFYING AND NOT GIVING THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO INVEST TO SEE THESE THINGS WORK. AND I DO AGREE, SOMETIMES GROUPS TRY TO SCALE TOO MUCH, TOO FAST. AND BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE IMPACTFUL, EVERYBODY WANTS TO GIVE MORE BANG FOR THE DOLLAR. AND IN OUR STATE, WE MAKE A DOLLAR OUT OF $0.15. ALL THE TIME. YOU HAVE SMALL GROUPS, ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING AMAZING WORK AND ARE BARELY FUNDED. SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT. I NEVER TELL SOMEONE THAT THE CITY WILL FUND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. WHEN PEOPLE APPROACH ME ABOUT THE ISSUES THEY HAVE WITH CONNECTING THEIR WORK TO CITY, I THINK THAT IN THIS ROLE, I WANT TO BE AN ADVOCATE, TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE PLACES WHERE I CAN BE A LIAISON, I AM THAT. BUT IN THE PLACES WHERE I HAVE TO SAY, YOU GOT TO DO BETTER WITH YOUR BOOKS, YOU GOT TO DO BETTER ABOUT THIS. I'M ALSO THAT PERSON TOO. SO I'M NOT JUST A RUBBER STAMP OR A YES PERSON. WILL I SAY THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS RUBBER STAMPED? YES. AND THAT AND THAT IS PART OF THE COMPOUNDED PROBLEM THAT YOU, MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES ARE DEALING WITH TODAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS RIGHT AND WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, BUT ALSO WE ALSO HAVE TO REACH OUTSIDE OF OUR BOX. AND WE GOTTA ALSO LET SOME THINGS TRY OUT IF IT PASS, IT PASS, IF IT FAILS, IT FAILS. BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN GET A SHOT TO COME INTO THE DOOR. AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE BRINGING US BACK. I THINK I TOLD BEN TO PLEASE SIGN ME UP FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH I'M TRYING NOT TO WORK AS MUCH. IN THE END OF DECEMBER, I WILL BE THERE. AND I WAS AT THE FIRST MEETING YOU HAD, AND I AM PARTICIPATING IN MY OTHER ROLE IN THE ONGOING ANTI-VIOLENCE MEETING, SO I DO SEE THAT PART OF IT. I JUST WANT US TO BE OPEN TO THE CHALLENGE AREAS THAT WE ALL ARE FACING, AND SOMETIMES IT DON'T COME OUT UNTIL WE'RE AT THIS MOMENT. SO I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING MOVING FORWARD. THIS WASN'T ABOUT THE 963,000 NOT BEING BEST SPENT AND GOING THAT WAY. IT'S JUST THAT BECAUSE YOU FUND SMALLER GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE IN THIS LAST BUDGET CYCLE, ARE PULLING AWAY FROM MORE OF THAT. WHAT YOU DO IS VERY VITAL AND CRITICAL TO THE HEALTH OF THE WORK GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE HEARING NONE. [01:50:02] THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVO? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSE THE ITEM PASSES WILL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. CLERK, CAN YOU READ ITEM SEVEN INTO THE RECORD, [7. R-152-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $425,000 OF FUNDING FROM U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE DELINQUENCY PREVENTION PROGRAM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. Action Required By: May 21, 2025 Sponsors: Tammy Hawkins (D-1) ] PLEASE? A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $425,000 OF FUNDING FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE DELINQUENCY PREVENTION PROGRAM, TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. READ IN FULL MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND, YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY COUNCILMAN RICK BLACKWELL. SECOND BY BENSON STUART MULVIHILL. SORRY, COUNCILMAN MULVIHILL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MULVIHILL. THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. WE HAVE. MR. PAUL SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE PODIUM. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THIS, PLEASE? YES. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. PAUL CALLAHAN, OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ARE ASKING AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT THE 467,000 $425,000 IN FEDERAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT AN EVALUATION OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IN OUR JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. SO WHAT? THIS PROJECT AWARDS US IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HOW OF OUR WHAT'S THE CONTINUUM OF CARE LOOK LIKE FOR KIDS IN OUR CITY BEFORE THEY GET INTO THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM? ONCE THEY GET INTO THE JUVENILE JTICE AND THEN PROGRESS THROUGH THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE SYSTEMS, WHAT THAT MEANS IS KIDS WHO ARE ENTERING THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM NEED A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF SERVICES THAN THE KIDS THAT ARE IN TOWARD THE TAIL END OF THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. AND IN OUR CITY, WE TEND TO MIX THOSE KIDS. AND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MIX THOSE KIDS IN PROGRAMS, AND THAT BECOMES A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE IT JUST FACILITATES KIDS FURTHER INTO THE SYSTEM. SO THIS, THIS GRANT WILL ALLOW US TO DO A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF WHAT ARE THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO KIDS AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM, WHAT ARE THE GAPS THAT ARE IN PLACE? AND IT WILL ALLOW US AT A TIME WHERE IT'S GREATLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND PARTNER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH A LOT OF TRANSITION. I KNOW WE'RE GETTING A NEW DETENTION FACILITY THAT ALLOWS THE CITA VOICE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SAY, LOOK, HOW CAN WE PUT PROGRAMS IN THE DETENTION FACILITY THAT, THAT, THAT CONTINUE OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY? SO WE'RE NOT SWITCHING PROGRAMS AS KIDS MOVE FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE DOJ RIGHT NOW UNDER DOJ INVESTIGATION. SO THIS WILL ENSURE THAT THE CITY PLAYS AN ACCURATE ROLE IN ENSURING THAT THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES ARE APPLIED TO KIDS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. AND I THINK IT WILL ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO ONE SAVE DOLLARS, REDUCE REDUNDANCY AND AS WELLS DEVELOP A REALLY SOLID PLAN AND STRUCTURE, INCLING,OU KW, NONPRIT ORNIZAONS WILL B INVOLD IN TS. FNGDS T M DHE'S TTING TOGETHER WITH THOSEPS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE SYSTEM SYSTEMS AGENCIES, SERVICE AGENCIES, AND KIND OF FIGURING ALL THIS OUT. THIS IS A LARGER PROJECT. THIS IS PART OF A LARGER PROJECT. I MENTIONED EARLIER ON THE CONTRACT FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES YOUTH, YOUTH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY YOUTH CONTINUUM OF SERVICES. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE JUVENILE JUSTICE YOUTH. WE'RE LOOKING AT FOSTER CARE YOUTH. WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE YOUTH THROUGH GVI AND THE MOST VIOLENT YOUTH IN THE CITY AND LOOKING AT THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP AND REDUNDANCY OF SERVICES. WE CAN MAP ALL THESE SYSTEMS OUT. AND WHO ARE THE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THE NEEDS THAT ARE THAT ARE BEING USED IN THESE SYSTEMS? WE WILL SAVE THE CITY AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY FROM DUPLICATION OF SERVICES AND RESOURCES. ALL RIGHT. ON. SEE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE? I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE. SO HEARING NONE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOTE, A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE ITEM PASSES AND WILL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME [Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.] TODAY. HAVING NO FURTHER * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.