[00:11:47] WHAT? [00:12:08] METRO TV WE WILL BEGIN IN APPROXIMATELY 60S. [Call to Order] [00:13:34] GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. I'M COUNCILWOMAN MADONNA FLOOD, [Roll Call] CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE FOR JUST TWO. THIS MEETING AND ONE MORE. I'M JOINED TODAY BY MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN SCOTT REED, BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, COUNCILMAN BEN WEBER, COUNCILMAN ANDREW OWEN, COUNCILMAN ROBIN ENGEL, COUNCILMAN KHALIL BECKHAM, COUNCILWOMAN JENNIFER CHAPPELL. WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY COMMITTEE, SOMEONE WITH LEGISLATION WHICH IS COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, WHO HAS SEVERAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION IN OUR DISTRICT. WELCOME, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AND COUNCILWOMAN SHAMIKA PARISH. RIGHT. WHO'S JOINING US VIRTUALLY. WELCOME, COUNCILWOMA. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ITEM NUMBER TWO AT THE REQUEST OF THE OF COUNCILWOMAN DOCTOR BARBARA SHANKLIN. SHE WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION, BUT SHE COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY DUE TO A PRIOR COMMITMENT. AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ZONING CHANGES. BUT AS SOON AS DEPUTY MAYOR NICOLE GEORGE GETS HERE, WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH AND DROP TO ITEM NUMBER 11, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE THAT NEED TO GET BACK TO THEIR OFFICE AND NOT WAIT ON US TO DISCERN EVERYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA. SO THIS MEETING IS BEING BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A WE'RE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE [1. O-221-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 8713 THIRD STREET ROAD AND PARCEL ID 104909270000 CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24ZONE0032). 10/29/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Tabled 10/15/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Held Action Required By:  December 19, 2024 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 8713 THIRD STREET ROAD AND PARCEL NUMBER. 104909270000, [00:15:09] CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE ZERO ZERO 32. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY TABLED. I NEED A MOTION AND SECOND TO UNTABLE MOTION. SECOND PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL FALL TO COUNCILMAN SEAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M GOING TO TURN BACK OVER TO TRAVIS FEASTER FOR A SECOND. I THINK WE HAVE GOT A BINDING ELEMENT THAT WAS ADDED, AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN TRAVIS FEASTER, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. YES. AFTER SOME DISCUSSION, THE APPLICANT ULTIMATELY AGREED TO A BINDING ELEMENT HERE REGARDING A USE RESTRICTION. IT WOULD BECOME BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER NINE AND WOULD READ AS FOLLOWS. PACKAGE LIQUOR STORES SHALL BE PROHIBITED ON THE SITE. I'LL MOVE THAT AMENDMENT. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IN FAVOR OF BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER NINE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I, I. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN. HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES. AND COUNCILMAN SHAWN, AT THIS TIME DO YOU WANT TO ADD THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT? YES. I'D LIKE TO ADD THE STANDARD BOUND ELEMENT CHAIR. TRAVIS, YOU'RE UP AGAIN. I'VE GOT THAT LANGUAGE AS WELL. THIS WILL BE NUMBER TEN. ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASESES IN BUILDING HEIGHT, NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY, ANY CHANGES IN USE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR SUBCOMMITTEE THEREOF, AND OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS OTHER THAN I. THE ADDITION OF NEW BINDING ELEMENTS TO I CHANGES TO BINDING ELEMENTS THAT MERELY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE OR THREE. I UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WITH FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINED BY METRO COUNCIL. MOTION PROPERLY MOVED A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF BIDEN ELEMENT NUMBER TEN, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN. SEEING NONE, THE MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US. WE HAD A THOROUGH DISCUSSION LAST TIME, BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY LAST MINUTE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO. IF IT'S OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPERS FOR MAKING IT BINDING ELEMENT HAPPEN. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE POSITIVE GROWTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT 25. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT MOMENTUM GOING. WE WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING. AND WITH THAT AREA THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING THE NEW PARK IN OUR DISTRICT, WHICH IS OUR ONLY AND OUR FIRST PARK. SO I THINK SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO OFFER, THERE ARE GOING TO BE GREAT COMPLIMENTARY PIECES TO THE PARK. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS FOR THE BINDING ELEMENT IS THAT THERE'S ALREADY A LIQUOR STORE NEARBY. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY IN THE POSITIVE DIRECTION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROWTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. ANY I SEE NO ONE ASKING TO SPEAK IN THE SYSTEM. SO THEREFORE I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE. CHERYL, VOTE IS OPEN. COUNCILMEMBER WEBER. HI. VOTE IS CLOSING. NO VOTE IS CLOSING. YOU HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES. THERE ARE SEVEN YES VOTES. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WE'RE HOLDING ITEM NUMBER TWO. SO THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE [3. O-249-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 9206 OLD BARDSTOWN ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 6.02 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24-ZONE-0061). Action Required By:  January 17, 2024 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 9206 OLD BARDSTOWN ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 6.02 ACRES AND BEING THE LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE 0061 SECOND, PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, BRIAN D, LOUISVILLE METRO OFFICE OF PLANNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 24, ZONE 61 FOR MANY STORES PROJECT LOCATED AT 90 206 OLD BARDSTOWN ROAD LOCATED METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 22. THIS IS AN OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE RIGHT UNDER THE PURPLE DOT. THE PROPOSAL IS TO CONVERT THE SITE TO A COMMERCIAL. THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE AREA. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R4 AND THEY ARE PROPOSING REQUESTING A ZONING ZONING CHANGE IN ZONING TO C2 COMMERCIAL. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONED PROPERTIES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF OLD BARDSTOWN ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE A PRD IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH AND R4 TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST. SO THE REQUEST IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO C2. THERE WAS ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ACCOMPANYING THAT REQUEST [00:20:03] TO ALLOW MINI WAREHOUSE STORAGE IN THE C2 DISTRICT. THE PROPOSALS FOR EIGHT DETACHED STORAGE BUILDINGS AND AN OFFICE BUILDING. THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OLD BARDSTOWN ROAD IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO. THAT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOOKING FROM OLD BARDSTOWN ROAD. AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. YOU SEE. THE RESIDENTIAL IS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN NONRESIDENTIAL IS TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON MAY 6TH, 2024. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARINGS ON OCTOBER 17TH, 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO C2, AND THAT PASSED BY A VOTE OF 5 TO 3. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? COUNCILMAN ROBIN INGLE THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO AS WE JUST HEARD TESTIMONY THERE, THIS IS A DENIAL THAT WE'RE VOTING ON, FOLKS, IN THE EVENT THAT YOU PERHAPS WEREN'T LISTENING CLOSELY THERE, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE VOTING HERE. YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS, THESE WAREHOUSES ARE LITERALLY ALMOST IN THE BACKYARD OF THE OF THESE RESIDENTS. THAT'S THE WAY THESE WAREHOUSES ARE THROWN UP. AND SO I. I THINK I'M GOING TO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE SUPPORT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE ON THIS DENIAL. AND I WOULD, WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO EXPLAIN? BECAUSE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR SO MANY YEARS, WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS THE WE'RE VOTING TO DENY. SO I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN INGLE. YES. TODAY, WHEN WE VOTE, A YES VOTE IS TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AGAIN, THIS IS TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NO ONE IN THE QUEUE, I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO VOTE. AND SO THIS TELLS ME THAT SEVEN YEARS AGO, THERE ARE SEVEN YES VOTES TO DENY, TO DENY THIS CHANGE IN ZONING. WE ARE UPHOLDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION, AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS AN [4. O-253-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 8004 AND 8006 CEDAR CREEK ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.81 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24ZONE0074). Action Required By:  January 17, 2024 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 8004 AND 8006 CEDAR CREEK ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.81 ACRES AND BEING A LOCAL METRO CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE 0074. MOTION TO APPROVE PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 24, ZONE 74 FOR REVENANT AT CEDAR CREEK EDITION. THE PROPERTY IS 8004 AND 8006. CEDAR CREEK ROAD. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN METRO METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 22. SO THE PROPERTY WHERE THE ZONING CHANGE IS ACTUALLY OCCURRING IS OUTLINED IN BLUE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A SURROUNDED BY A LARGER LARGER PARCEL THAT IS CURRENTLY ALREADY ZONED R6. AND SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY, KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R4 TO R6. AND SO HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY THAT SURROUNDS THE BLUE PROPERTY IS ALREADY R6. AND THEN THE AREA WITHIN THE BLUE IS R4. YOU HAVE A MIXTURE OF R4, R5 AND PRD THAT IS IN THIS VICINITY HERE ON THE CEDAR CREEK ROAD. SO THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R4 TO R6. SO WE SAW THE PARCEL. IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE OVERALL IN THE ENTIRE SITE. THIS THIS PARCEL WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE REST OF THE SITE. AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING 348 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THAT ON THAT ENTIRE SITE. THE ORIGINAL REZONING FOR THE LARGER, LARGER PARCEL THAT SURROUNDS THE PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY WAS UNDER 20 ZONED 0060. AND SO THE BINDING ELEMENTS FROM THAT ONE HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE APPROVAL OF, OF OR INTO THE POTENTIAL APPROVAL OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE. SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE AREA WITH THE ZONED OUT RIGHT HERE. THAT'S THE SPECIFIC LOT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR TODAY'S REZONING, BECAUSE THE REST OF IT IS CURRENTLY ALREADY ZONED R6. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES THAT THAT IS ON THE SITE. THIS IS A LOOK AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOOKING FROM CEDAR CREEK ROAD INTO THE INTO THE SITE. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WHICH WILL BE REMOVED AND THEN YOU HAVE PHOTOS TO THE SOUTH AND [00:25:03] THEN TO THE NORTH. THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS THE CEDAR CREEK ROAD. THE APPLICANT'S NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS ON APRIL 30TH, 2024. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 17TH, 2024. THEIR MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO R6, AND THAT PASSED BY A VOTE OF 6 TO 1. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, COUNCILMAN INGLE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 348 UNITS, CEDAR CREEK ROAD, RIGHT OFF OF BARDSTOWN ROAD IN THE BUSIEST AREA IN THE GROWTH IN IN THIS DISTRICT I WENT TO. I JUST WANTED MY COLLEAGUES. SINCE YOU WEREN'T GOING TO HEAR TOO MUCH OF ME ANYMORE SOON. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT I WENT AND I SAW ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING TO DISTRICT 22. I HAD A MEETING AT CDOT, OKAY? AND I ASKED OUR ENGINEER PROFESSIONALS IF THEY HAD A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR BARDSTOWN ROAD. THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE DEER IN HEADLIGHTS. THIS IS THE THIRD FASTEST GROWING DISTRICT IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND OUR STATE DOES NOT HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR FIVE YEARS ON A STATE HIGHWAY THAT GOES FROM DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE ALL THE WAY OUT TO BARDSTOWN, KENTUCKY. IT'S ACTUALLY WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL THOROUGHFARE ALL THE WAY OUT TO MY OLD KENTUCKY HOME. BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. LET'S GET BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE DAY. SO I WAS ABLE TO SECURE. I ASKED THEM AT THE END OF THE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, HOW IS IT THAT WE CAN GET A PLAN TOGETHER? WELL, THEY SAID WE CAN PUT A PLAN. WE CAN WE CAN PUT IN FOR MONEY TO FUND A MASTER PLAN. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, MADAM CHAIR, COLLEAGUES. AND THIS THURSDAY NIGHT, I BELIEVE, IS THERE'S A MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL GO OR NOT. I'M NOT SURE IF I'M REALLY SHOULD OR NOT, BUT FOR THIS VERY REASON IS TO STUDY BARDSTOWN ROAD IN THE MASTER PLAN. SO I'M WONDERING HOW THE NEIGHBORS STILL FEEL ABOUT THIS FARM TO MARKET ROAD 348 UNITS. I DO LIKE MY COLLEAGUES THE WAY THEY THEY LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT'S CONNECTED TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AND ALL OF THAT. I THINK THAT THE FOCUS OF THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING. SO THIS SORT OF FITS RIGHT IN THERE. BUT I'M JUST ASKING FOR, JUST FOR TO HEAR ME OUT HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST MASSIVE DENSITY OF APARTMENTS. I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S $100,000 FOR SIDEWALKS ON BARDSTOWN ROAD BY THE DEVELOPER. THAT'S ENCOURAGING. NO ONE, NOT MANY PEOPLE SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS. THIS. THERE IS A VARIANCE FOR 40FT, WHICH IS TROUBLING. THE SIZE OF THESE APARTMENTS IS SOMEWHAT TROUBLING. BUT I YOU KNOW, I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH THIS DOWN THE ROAD TO MY COLLEAGUE THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING OFFICE HERE SHORTLY. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE 90 DAY RULE. ANYWAY, IF I COULD, MADAM CHAIR, ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE 90 DAY RULE, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. SO THE 90 DAY DATE ON THIS CASE IS JANUARY 17TH. AND I THINK THAT'S AFTER THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, BUT BEFORE THE SUBSTANTIVE ONE. YEAH. WITH THAT, WITH THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO SADDLE THIS COMMITTEE OR EXCUSE ME, SADDLE MY COLLEAGUE THAT WILL BE TAKING OFFICE TO COME IN AND HAVE TO VOTE ON 348 UNITS WHEN HE'S BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY IN THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY. SO I'M GOING TO RELUCTANTLY VOTE ON THIS. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW. SO, MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THE DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN EAGLE. COUNCIL MEMBER RENAULT WEBER I JUST WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS DILIGENCE AND SERVICE IN THIS. I THINK YOU'VE BEEN A STRONG VOICE FOR THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS INSTANCE. I THINK AS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARDSTOWN ROAD CORRIDOR AND NOW HAVING A SON WHO IS DATING SOMEONE WHO IS OUT THERE. SO I'VE BEEN DRIVING THIS CORRIDOR A LOT LATELY. I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AROUND THAT. AND I WILL BE I WOULD LIKE THE DETAILS OF THAT PLAN, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT FIVE YEAR PLANNING PROCESS. WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE INTENTIONALLY INVESTING IN THE TRANSIT, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVAT, THAT GOES DOWN THAT CORRIDOR. I AM BECAUSE IT IS A TRANSIT CORRIDOR, GOING TO BE A RELENTLESS VOICE FOR SUPPORTING DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE TRANSIT CORRIDORS, EVERY [00:30:02] KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE CAN. BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND STRATEGIC ABOUT BEING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIGHT WAY. TO QUOTE MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN BATSON, THIS IS THE SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO BRING IN JUST OUTSIDE THE INTO OUR AREA. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THIS IN DISTRICT EIGHT. AND THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE 324 UNITS, SO WE'RE ONLY APPROVING TODAY THAT SMALL TRACK, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL 24 UNITS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT CONFUSION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL 300 SOME ODD UNITS ON TOP OF WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. AND WE WERE JOINED BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. I FAILED TO RECOGNIZE YOU WHEN YOU WALKED IN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BATSON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND TO STAND CORRECTED A LITTLE BIT, MR. WEBER, IS WE ENCOURAGE ALL OF THE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT 25. BUT TO THAT POINT, WE IT WAS A 6 TO 1 VOTE. WHAT WAS THE NO VOTE AND WHY? WHY YEAH, JUST THE LOCATION. THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THE LOCATION OF THE SITE WAS APPROPRIATE FOR 340 ODD APARTMENTS. SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THEIR THEIR NO VOTE. ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO AND I DIDN'T FULLY LOOK AT THAT PLAN, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TURNING LANES AND PROPER TRAFFIC FLOW FOR, FOR THAT UNIT? SO THEY ADDED TURNING LANES OR ANYTHING TO SUGGEST THE PROPER LEFT. TURNS OUT. OKAY. THEY'D SAVED A LITTLE BIT. SO THEY ARE COMPLETING A RIGHT TURN LANE ON EASTBOUND CEDAR CREEK ROAD AT BARDSTOWN ROAD. SO THE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS OR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE OFF SITE TO MITIGATE ANY EFFECT, POTENTIAL EFFECT AT BARDSTOWN ROAD, NOT NECESSARILY AT THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS, THE YOU KNOW, THE NEW INTERSECTION THAT THEY ARE CREATING ALL THE LIKE THE TRAFFIC GRADES ARE A AND B. SO THERE WEREN'T ANY YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT CONGESTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM CARS THAT MAY BE TURNING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. BRIAN. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU CHAIR. SO I THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONSTANT CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND DENSITY AND ALSO ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ROBUST ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT CITIES THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY ARE IDENTIFYING IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO SUPPORT WITH BALLOT MEASURES, WITH ADDITIONAL TAXES ON THEIR PEOPLE. NASHVILLE JUST APPROVED IN THIS LAST ELECTION, $3.1 BILLION TRANSIT REFERENDUM. IT PASSED 65 TO 35 TO FUND TRANSIT. THEY'RE FUNDING SIDEWALKS WITH THAT. THEY'RE FUNDING TRAFFIC SIGNALS. THEY'RE FUNDING ALL SORTS OF THINGS WITHIN TRANSIT. THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE HERE IN LOUISVILLE CAN'T LOOK AT THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AMONG US, WHETHER THEY BE PARKS, LIBRARIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DECIDE IS IMPORTANT. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO FUND THOSE THINGS THROUGH ADDITIONAL TAXES ON A BALLOT MEASURE. SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT. DO I THINK WE NEED MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE MORE SUBURBAN DISTRICTS IN THE CITY? ABSOLUTELY. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE NEED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING OF ALL INCOME TYPES AND LEVELS. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE BRING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG AND WHETHER IT INVOLVES THE STATE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE, LOOKING AT THE WAY THEY'VE BALANCED OUT WHERE THE MONEY GOES THROUGHOUT THE STATE? I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR THAT TO CHANGE, BECAUSE THAT'S UNLIKELY TO CHANGE. SO I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO BE PROACTIVE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT [00:35:04] ADDRESS THOSE THINGS OURSELVES. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION, TRAVIS, ON THE BINDING ELEMENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PLAN. ARE THERE MORE BINDING ELEMENTS OR DOES THIS ENCAPSULATE THE PREVIOUS. 324 UNITS? SO I BELIEVE THE BINDING ELEMENTS THAT ARE PLACED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST MIRROR WHAT WAS PLACED ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN. SO THIS IS NOT THE CASE WHERE THERE'S A GENERAL PLAN LIKE YOU'D SEE IN A SORT OF LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. BRIAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THOUGH? WELL, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING BOTH THE PREVIOUS PART AND THE NEW PART, THAT WE KIND OF COMBINED THOSE BINDING ELEMENTS INTO ONE. SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS A PART OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL IS INCORPORATED INTO THIS ONE. SO IT'LL IT'LL ACT AS ONE PLAN. SINCE THEY DO SHOW THE NEW LAYOUT AND SUCH FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WITH THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROJECT. CERTAINLY. AND I'LL ASK I'LL DEFER TO COUNCILMAN EAGLE. IT IS IN HIS DISTRICT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S OKAY WITH HIM. HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD. AFFIRMATIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE NUMBER NINE, I BELIEVE. YES. BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER NINE. AND IT WILL READ ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THE PRO STRUCTURES EG INCREASES IN BUILDING HEIGHT, NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY. ANY CHANGES IN USE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR SUBCOMMITTEE THEREOF, AND OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS OTHER THAN I. THE ADDITION OF NEW BINDING ELEMENTS TO I CHANGES THE BINDING ELEMENTS THAT MERELY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE, OR THREE. I. UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WITH FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINED BY METRO COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT, MOVE THAT AMENDMENT PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT ADDITIONAL BINDING ELEMENT. SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AYE, THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE NOW HAVE THE AMENDED VERSION IN FRONT OF US, AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE. NO ONE ELSE IS IN THE QUEUE. VOTING IS OPEN. VOTING IS CLOSING. GOT EIGHT. YES VOTES AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS. AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I DON'T SEE DEPUTY MAYOR NICOLE GEORGE. OH, SHE'S ON HER WAY. OKAY, WELL, WE WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO. LET ME SEE YOUR ITEM. I SEE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE WELL THEY'RE NOT ONLINE NOW. SO. OH THEY ARE ONLINE. THEY'RE ONLINE. THEY JUST NEED TO TURN ON OKAY. IF THOSE THAT ARE ONLINE THAT ARE HERE FOR THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT FORM AND [8. R-108-24     A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT FORM AND RESULTS MATRIX. 10/29/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Tabled  10/15/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Held Action Required By:  April 10, 2025 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ] RESULTS MATRIX, IF YOU WILL TURN YOUR CAMERAS ON. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THEY'RE ALL THERE. OKAY. THIS ITEM WAS HELD IN COMMITTEE. IT WAS TABLED. SO THE MOTION WILL BE TO UNTABLE. IT'S A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT FORM AND RESULTS MATRIX MOTION. SECOND, PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND TO UNTABLED. WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT'S UNTABLED. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD. AND COUNCILMAN JECOREY ARTHUR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS APPROVES THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TOOL THAT MEASURES THE IMPACT OF RESIDENTIAL DISPLACEMENT OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS IN NEED OF CITY SUBSIDIES. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE AND NOT ON THE COMMITTEE WHO SHARED QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, GAVE US SOME FEEDBACK, EXPERIMENTED WITH THE TOOL. I'D LOVE TO SHARE THOSE UPDATES. SEE IF THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, AND THEN MOVE THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE. WE WERE ASKED ABOUT COST ANNUALLY, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE ATTACHED ITEM, THERE'S A LETTER FROM BOSTON UNIVERSITY QUOTING THAT THIS WILL BE $5,000 ANNUALLY, WHICH INCLUDES LABOR TO UPDATE THE DATA. AND THE DATA ITSELF. IF WE DO NOT USE A THIRD PARTY, CONTRACTORS LIKE THE ONES WHO CREATED THE TOOL, WE WOULD JUST NEED $2,000 FOR THE RENTAL DATA AND THEN A STAFFER AND METRO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES WOULD DO THE LABOR THEMSELVES. WE ALSO RECEIVED QUESTIONS ABOUT MORE INFORMATION WITHIN THE APPLICATION. WE TALKED WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND WE AGREED THAT THIS TOOL SHOULD BE STRICTLY ABOUT DISPLACEMENT. SO IN THE PREDEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, THEY'RE ALREADY REVIEWING IF IT'S A [00:40:02] HISTORIC PROPERTY, THEY'RE REVIEWING, IF IT'S A REDEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE REVIEWING, IF IT'S A BROWNFIELD GREENFIELD AND A LOT MORE. SO THOSE DETAILS ARE CAPTURED, JUST NOT IN THIS TOOL. WE ALSO GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE TOOL WOULD IMPACT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN TERMS OF BUREAUCRACY. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT FASTER BECAUSE ONE, IT CLARIFIES WHAT'S AFFORDABLE, WHAT'S UNAFFORDABLE. SO WE CAN MOVE PROJECTS ALONG. TWO, IT ESTABLISHES AN EXPECTATION BEFORE THE APPLICATION PROCESS BEGINS. SO A STAFFER IN THE OFFICE OF HOUSING CAN GIVE SOMEONE THE APPLICATION LINK OR PAPER THAT EXPLAINS AND THEY CAN PREPARE THEIR APPLICATION PRIOR TO ACTUALLY PUTTING IT IN WITH OUR OFFICE. AND THEN THREE, IT MAKES THE PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT USING SCIENTIFIC MEASUREMENTS. WE'VE HAD A FEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT HAVE GOTTEN REAL CONTENTIOUS IN METRO COUNCIL. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT HELPS TAKE THE POLITICS, THE OPINIONS, THE FEELINGS OUT OF THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT, WHEN IT COMES TO DISPLACEMENT, IT'S A SCIENTIFIC METHOD. SO WE CAN MEASURE THAT IMPACT AND INFORM PEOPLE TO PROACTIVELY ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS BEFORE THERE'S ANY SORT OF OPPOSITION OR DELAY. WE ALSO GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT VOUCHERS. THE MEDIAN RENT NEEDS TO BE INPUT BASED ON WHAT IT WILL BE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THOSE VOUCHERS. WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTERFACE. THE NEW UPDATE SIMPLIFY IT. THEY ONLY ASK ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS. THEY REQUIRE INPUTS BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS TAB. BUT TO REALLY SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, ANDRE, BUT I'M HOPING WE CAN GET IT OFF OF HIS COMPUTER AND ONTO THE CITY SERVERS SO WE CAN MAKE IT LOOK CUTE. MOST DISPLACEMENT TOOLS IN THE COUNTRY SHOW WHERE RISK ARE. OUR TOOL WILL SHOW WHERE THE RISKS ARE AND HOW THOSE RISKS WILL BE IMPACTED. BASED ON PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS. AGAIN, WE ARE THE FIRST IN THE NATION TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS. AND I THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO ONE'S IN THE QUEUE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING OR IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON MY. MADAM CHAIR, I CAN'T I'M NOT IN THE QUEUE. BUT I HAD A COMMENT. OKAY, I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU. AND THEN. COUNCILMAN ENGEL, I THINK YOU'RE IN THE. THANK YOU. I'M NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE AS FORMAL AS A FORMAL COMMITTEE MEMBER. I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW EXCITED I AM FOR THE WORK OF THIS. THIS STARTED WAY BEFORE MY TENURE, AND I'VE HEARD GREAT THINGS. I'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS TOOL COULD WORK. I THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO RIGHT THE MANY WRONGS OF REDLINING AND HOW THAT HAS IMPACTED LOUISVILLE. AND WHILE IT'S OUR TURN, WHILE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AS WE DO ON COUNCIL, IT IS OUR DUTY TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE CAN. THIS IS THIS IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WAY TO ADDRESS WHAT CAN HAPPEN NOW AND WHAT MOVES FORWARD. SO I REALLY COMPEL THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED. YOU HAVE AMAZING PROFESSIONALS HERE WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND I LOVE LOUISVILLE BEING INNOVATIVE AND ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES TO START THIS. THIS CAN HAVE A REALLY BIG IMPACT ON HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD. PEOPLE LOVE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE IN A WAY THAT HONORS THE COMMUNITIES AND FOLKS WANT TO BE A PART OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS, EVEN IN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED. BUT THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST BUILDING ON TOP OF THEM. THIS IS A WAY TO BUILD WITH COMMUNITY IN A RESPECTFUL WAY THAT'S HONORED AND THERE'S A PROVEN SCIENCE BEHIND IT. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COMMENT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WEBER, RENA WEBBER, I'M SORRY. I THINK WE HAD SOME THE I HAD HOPED WE'D GET SOME FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WITHIN METRO TO PLAY WITH THIS TOOL AND SORT OF SEE WHAT THE RESULTS THAT CAME BACK FROM SOME EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS. I THINK JEFF O'BRIEN WAS GOING TO BE HERE. IS HE HERE ONLINE? CAN WE INVITE SOMEONE FROM METRO TO TALK ABOUT HAVING RUN THROUGH THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THE TOOL? NO. OKAY. WELL, I'LL SAY THIS. I DID PLAY WITH THE TOOL. AND FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I THINK HAVING TO YOUR POINT, REALLY HAVING DATA AROUND HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS WILL TAKE SOME OF THE MUCH, HOPEFULLY OF THE VENOM OUT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE WE'LL BE UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST, NOT JUST FIGHTING THE FOG. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THIS ACTUALLY. SO IT'S AWESOME. I'M DEFINITELY WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OVER THE LINE AND SUPPORT SOME VERSION OF THIS. I WANT TO SAY THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PIECES THAT I THINK WE HAVE MADE THE DEVELOPERS AWARE OF ABOUT. YOU REFERENCED THE HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND ADDITIONAL SUBSIDIES THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR, SO THAT WE REALLY DO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ACTUAL AFFORDABILITY LOOKS LIKE? [00:45:02] I SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTERFACE, BUT I THINK IT'S WE'RE DEFINITELY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR ME. I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE, OKAY, WHAT BASED ON SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN GOOD OR BAD, WHAT DOES LIKE HOW WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ARE WE GETTING THE RESULTS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT OUT OF THIS. SO THAT'S THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AND I'M GOING TO STOP TALKING. SO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DID RUN DOZENS OF PROJECTS THROUGH THE TOOL, AND IT SHOWS WHAT YOU MIGHT ASSUME, THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE MORE MARKET RATE, HOUSING THAT WERE MORE UNAFFORDABLE, HAD HIGHER RISK COMPARED TO THE PROJECTS THAT HAD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ASSUMED. BUT NOW WE CAN LOOK AT THE DATA TO JUSTIFY WHY WE MAKE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPE, SORRY, THIS ISN'T WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT, BUT I DO WISH THAT SHE WAS TALKING TO ME. APOLOGIES. I DO WISH THAT THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COULD BE HERE TODAY JUST TO SUPPORT YOUR FINDINGS, BUT ALSO TO SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF THIS TOOL IN PRACTICE. I DO HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. I WENT TO TEXT YOU ABOUT THIS AND SAY, I PROMISE I'M LOOKING AT IT. BUT I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT TODAY WAS TUESDAY AND I'D BE SEEING YOU. SO TIME HAS BEEN GOING ON. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PLAY WITH THE TOOL AND IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME SOMETIMES TO GET IT TO WORK. I SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT USABILITY A LOT BECAUSE SYSTEMS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE BY LOUISVILLE METRO AREN'T VERY USER FRIENDLY, AND IT'S AN OVERLY COMPLICATED PROCESS. SO MY COMMENTS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO WITH THE DATA AND THE RESULTS AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS TOOL, BECAUSE I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT. BUT IN ITS CURRENT STATE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR GOVERNMENT TO RELEASE THIS OUT INTO THE WILD WITHOUT FIXING THESE ISSUES. AND I DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS FOR YOU THAT I WILL PASS ALONG ABOUT THE ENTIRE SITE, ABOUT EACH TAB ON THE SITE, AND SOME OF IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH COPY AND JUST HOW ARE WE COMMUNICATING WHAT THIS TOOL IS AND WHAT IT DOES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TIMELINE. I KNOW THAT AS YOU ARE UNFORTUNATELY ROLLING OFF OF THE COUNCIL AND THERE WILL BE A NEW COUNCIL PERSON, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE END OF YOUR TENURE. I THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THESE FLOWERS AND HAVE YOU SMELL THEM WHILE YOU'RE ON COUNCIL, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE UNDER A TICKING TIME BOMB. I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TWO COMMITTEE MEETINGS LEFT THIS YEAR, SO I ONE COMMITTEE MEETING LEFT THIS YEAR AND I'M JUST WONDERING SOME OF THE CHANGES. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT SEEN MY CHANGES, BUT I'M WONDERING HOW QUICKLY THAT TURNAROUND COULD BE IN MAKING SOME OF THE LIKE, SMALL CHANGES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. COULD THAT BE DONE BEFORE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING SO WE CAN PASS IT AND THEN GET IT TO COUNCIL? I'D LIKE TO PASS THE MIC TO OUR RESEARCH TEAM TO SEE IF THEY CAN RESPOND ABOUT MAKING CHANGES, AND I'M ASSUMING THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE ESTHETIC CHANGES AND THE USE OF SOME OF ITS ESTHETIC, BUT SOME OF IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE USABILITY ABOUT IT MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S INTUITIVE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WON'T GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF MY CONCERNS, BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING UPDATED. YEAH, I GUESS I CAN RESPOND QUITE QUICKLY. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PREMISES HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS TOOL IS AS USER FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE. SO WE'VE COLLATED A LOT OF FEEDBACK OVER THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF. AND ANDRE'S, YOU KNOW, PUT A FAIR BIT OF WORK INTO CHANGING BUTTONS AND CHANGING LAYOUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO WITHIN REASON, BECAUSE OUR CONTRACT RUNS THROUGH UNTIL DECEMBER. ANDRE, DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO? YES. SO I THINK THAT THE MAIN THING IS THAT THE PRIORITY FOR THIS TOOL IS THE EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT I KNOW THIS IS A REPEAT FROM LAST WEEK. YOU ALL NEED TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING. I APOLOGIZE, MY NAME IS AUDREY CAMDEN. I AM A RESEARCH SCIENTIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND YES, SO THE PRIORITY FOR THE TOOL IS THE MECHANICS, RIGHT? EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENE IN TERMS OF DATA PROCESSING AND [00:50:01] PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER. AND THIS IS REALLY THE HARD PART OF IT. THE EASIER PART IS HOW IT LOOKS. AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GUIDED THROUGH THE TOOL. AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO EVERYTHING KIND OF FLOWING TOGETHER SO THAT THE ATTENTION CAN SWITCH TO REALLY THE ESTHETICS AND KIND OF GUIDE THIS IDEA OF GUIDING THE USER THROUGH IT SO THAT EVERY STEP IS OBVIOUS AND THAT EVERY USER NO MATTER THEIR BACKGROUND, CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND SO WE'VE BEEN ADDING MORE EXPLANATORY TEXT, KIND OF CONSOLIDATING PAGES SO THAT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS RELEVANT IS FITTED TOGETHER. AND REALLY, AGAIN, A MAKING PUTTING IN PLACE CERTAIN MECHANICS, MECHANICS SO THAT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CANNOT JUMP AHEAD BECAUSE IF YOU JUMP AHEAD, RIGHT, YOU SEE A BLANK PAGE BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESULTS YET. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PUT A LOCATION IN. RIGHT. SO WE'VE WE'VE FORMATTED THE TOOL. SO THAT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE INPUTS IN BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE RESULT, SO THAT ANYONE USING IT WOULD NOT BE CONFUSED BECAUSE ONE PAGE IS EMPTY. RIGHT? SO YES, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THERE IS A LOT OF THIS KIND OF DETAILED CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE QUITE QUICKLY. AND I VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOUR COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN INTEGRATE THEM INTO THE TOOL. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT? JUST QUICKLY INTRODUCE MYSELF. I FORGOT LORETTA LEES, DIRECTOR OF THE INITIATIVE ON CITIES AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY. SO THE TOOL IS COMPLETED. THE INITIAL KIND OF FORAY WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE TOOL WAS WORKING. AND, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF USER FRIENDLINESS, YOU KNOW, IS PRETTY MUCH THERE NOW, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO. SO REALLY, THIS IS COMPLETED AND READY TO GO AND TO BE VOTED ON TODAY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF CLAIMS. SO I'VE DONE THIS KIND OF WORK, BOTH NATIONALLY IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT ALSO INTERNATIONALLY. AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT LOUISVILLE CAN REALLY HOLD ITS HEAD UP HIGH WITH BECAUSE THERE WILL BE OTHER CITIES, BOTH ACROSS THE US, BUT INTERNATIONALLY, WHO ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU TO LEARN FROM THIS TOOL. AND THAT KIND OF POLICY. MOBILITY BRINGS ATTENTION ON THE CITY. IT BRINGS IN MONEY, IT BRINGS IN ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT INTERESTS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF. AND I THINK THE JOB THAT'S BEING DONE HERE IN TANDEM WITH THE CITY HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN, I JUST WANTED TO ADD APPROVING THE TOOL DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T PUT A FRESH COAT OF PAINT ON IT BEFORE COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. SO IF YOU HAVE ESTHETIC NEEDS, PLEASE SEND THOSE. BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN APPROVE THE TOOL TODAY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS AT THE FINAL ZONING MEETING. AND I KNOW THERE'S A HUGE TIMELINE. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I JUST TALKED TO JEFF O'BRIEN AND AS I WAS SPEAKING WITH HIM, HIS TEAM WALKED IN THE DOOR. I THINK LAURA GRABOWSKI AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE CAME IN, BUT THEY ARE HERE NOW. AND HE HE MAY BE OVER IN A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION, THEY ARE HERE. COUNCILWOMAN, CAN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION? IT HAS TO DO WITH TIMELINES. YES. WE HAD DISCUSSED AN ONGOING CONTRACT WITH THE DEVELOPERS FOR THIS TOOL AT $5,000 A YEAR. WHEN WILL WE NEED TO FINALIZE OR VOTE ON THAT CONTRACT, AND WHEN WILL IT BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL? SO IT DEPENDS. IF WE WANT TO USE THIRD PARTY CONTRACTORS TO UPDATE THE TOOL. THE SOURCES OF DATA ARE UPDATED ANNUALLY. SOME OF THEM COME ALONG WITH THE CENSUS, SO IF WE WANT IT TO BE UPDATED ANNUALLY, WE CAN DO IT EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I WON'T BE HERE. OF COURSE, IF YOU WANT TO WORK JUST WITH METRO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM. NO OFFENSE. I LOVE YOU ALL. Y'ALL DO GREAT WORK, BUT WE COULD JUST WORK INTERNALLY WITH DATA ANALYSTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON METRO GOVERNMENT STAFF, AND WE COULD JUST KEEP IT INTERNAL. WE GET THE DATA FROM RENT HUB AND WE JUST HAVE OUR STAFFERS UPDATED AS METRO GOVERNMENT. WHEN WILL WE DECIDE THAT? THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO USE THEM, OR USE METRO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES? GOOD AFTERNOON. LAURA GRABOWSKI, DIRECTOR OF OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE DON'T HAVE A QUOTE BACK YET FROM MTS. WE JUST STARTED TALKING TO THEM ABOUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST INTERNALLY TO HOST THE SITE OR TO HOST THE TOOL, AND ALSO WE'RE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THEIR CAPABILITIES OF IMPROVING THE USER INTERFACE AS WELL. SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT, WE KNOW [00:55:03] WE HAVE THE BID FROM BU AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHATEVER MTS HAS TO OFFER US, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION. HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE? I WOULDN'T THINK MORE THAN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. WE JUST STARTED TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THIS WITHIN THE PAST WEEK. SO. COUNCILMAN ENGEL, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WELL, LET ME LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DOES AS MUCH THOROUGH DATA AND RESEARCH AND PLANNING AND PREPARATION FOR DRAMATIC TYPES OF LEGISLATION THAN OUR COLLEAGUE, JECOREY ARTHUR. I MEAN, I THINK I'VE HEARD HIM. I THINK I'VE HEARD HIM ASKING IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE LAST 3 OR 4 WEEKS. I THINK TWO WEEKS, A MINIMUM, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, THERE'S NO THIS IS NO CUT AT MY COLLEAGUE THAT FORGOT THAT TODAY WAS TUESDAY. DON'T GIVE ME THIS. THERE'S NO CUT ON THAT. THAT'S NOT I MEAN THAT I'M NOT THIS SERIOUSLY. WE DO FOLKS. WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE BALANCE IN OUR LIFE. FULL TIME JOBS, FAMILIES, THIS, THAT, AND THE NEXT THING. SO THAT IS JUSTIFIABLE. BUT LET'S GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. HE'S GOT OUTSTANDING PEOPLE UP ON THAT. THAT HAS THAT HAS DATA BEHIND THIS. THEY'RE QUALIFIED PEOPLE. MY QUESTION WAS, IS THIS METRO OR PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY. IT'S METRO GOVERNMENT ONLY. THE NEXT QUESTION IS FINANCIAL IMPACT STATEMENT. NOW I THINK WE STARTED DOWN THAT PATH AT $5,000. BUT WE STILL HAVE ONE PIECE LEFT. I THINK. SO I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS. IT MAY BE IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THAT INFORMATION BEFORE I'M A COMPLETE YES, BUT I'M ABOUT AS CLOSE TO A YES VOTE ON THIS THING AS POSSIBLE. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS NEXT FINANCIAL IMPACT, BUT YOU ALL ARE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS GOOD DATA. IT'S A TOOL FOR DATA. I MEAN, SO CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND SO ANYWAY, I, YOU KNOW, I'M GOOD WITH IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT AGO, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE IT OUT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE VOTING WITH YOU. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED THAT WE HAVE THAT FINANCIAL DATA, WE STILL HAVE UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY, LET IT PASS AND GET IT AT AT THE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. AND IF IT'S NOT THERE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL THEN CANCEL IT AT THE I MEAN TABLE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL TO GIVE THEM ONE FINAL GO AT IT. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, COUNCILMAN BAKER. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCILMAN INGLE. GREAT JOB. JAKARI OR COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, I THINK YOU KNOW, MY COLLEAGUE TALKED ABOUT THE LEGACY AS A FELLOW COUNCILMAN WHO'S LEAVING THE COUNCIL AS WELL. IT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT JUST NOT ONLY OUR LEGACY, BUT THE LEGACY THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DO AS AS A COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. AND THIS IS, AS PROFESSOR LIESE POINTED OUT, IT IS A LEGACY THAT THE COUNCIL CAN LEAVE THAT OTHER CITIES WILL MODEL. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THE COST ASSESSMENT THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THIS IS A TOOL THAT ALL OF ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS HAVE ALL ARGUED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT DISPLACEMENT. AND THIS IS ONE STEP CLOSER TO ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE. AND HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE MODELED CITY TO CITY TO CITY TO CITY. NOW, I UNDERSTAND WE PASSING THE IPHONE 3G RIGHT? BUT WE GOING TO GET TO AN IPHONE 16 BY HAVING THESE CONSTANT DISCUSSIONS. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOOL THAT 100 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE TWEAKING AND FIXING AND MOVING TO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT I IMPLORE MY COLLEAGUES THAT TODAY IS THE DAY, THE TIME IS NOW, AND TO PLEASE PASS THIS ORDINANCE. SO THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO I WE DID GET THE CAR DID TALK A LITTLE BIT WITH ME BEFOREHAND. AND A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE RESULTS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING GOT WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE TOOL. CAN YOU GUYS ADD A LITTLE BIT ONE OF YOU LAURA OR JEFF ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR TO THAT. AND MAYBE YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT YOU SAW FROM THE RESULTS THAT WERE INTERESTING OR THAT I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR THAT RESPONSE. IF YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. THAT. SURE. GOOD [01:00:04] AFTERNOON. LAURA GRABOWSKI, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. YES, WE DID HAVE A CHANCE TO RUN QUITE A FEW PROJECTS THROUGH THE TOOL. AS IT IS, I THINK THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE BOSTON FOLKS TODAY AND FROM COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, THAT THERE IS STILL A DECENT AMOUNT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON THE TOOL. AND THE BACK END DATA THAT THAT FEEDS INTO IT. SO THERE WERE LIKE COUNCILMAN ARTHUR SAID EARLIER, THERE WERE SOME PROJECTS THAT THAT WOULD. THAT WOULD COME BACK SIMILARLY TO WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT. BUT WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT THE DATA THAT WAS REALLY VERY ROBUST IN THERE HAD TO DO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT, WHICH WAS VERY GOOD. THE PART OF THE TOOL, WITHOUT GETTING TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS, THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED AND IMPROVED AND JUST FINALIZED, IS THE IS THE ABILITY TO DISCERN BETWEEN PROJECT TYPES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A PROJECT IN THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS OCCUPIED AND IT IS A MULTIFAMILY REHAB. WHEN YOU WOULD ENTER THAT INFORMATION IN THE TOOL, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT IT ISN'T ABLE TO COMPLETELY DISCERN THAT NO EXISTING RESIDENTS ARE BEING DISPLACED, THAT WE'RE JUST SIMPLY REHABBING A STRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT IS NOT THE FAULT NECESSARILY OF THE DATA. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TOOL DOESN'T WORK. IT JUST MEANS THAT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT THAT OUR OFFICE PROVIDES FUNDING FOR AND FINANCING INCENTIVES. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AND THE BU FOLKS ABOUT IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE SUBTLETIES IN THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AND THE BLOCK GROUP LEVEL ABOUT THE GENTRIFICATION, THE HOUSING STRESS, THAT IS THAT IS UNDER THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND ESPECIALLY THE DATA FROM THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT THAT WE HAD DONE WITH THE MARKET AREAS. IT DOES A GOOD JOB OF ESSENTIALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PUT MARKET RATE HOUSING RIGHT IN THAT AND NOT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NECESSARILY FUND ANYWAY. BUT SO IN THAT WAY, THE TOOL DOES SEEM TO BE PRODUCING RESULTS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO GET. AND I WOULD ADD THAT OUR OFFICE WOULDN'T PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THOSE ANYWAY WHEN THEY WOULD WHEN THE OFFICE PROVIDES FUNDING FOR. FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MULTIFAMILY, THE TOOL SEEMS TO BE OKAY WITH THAT GOING THAT KIND OF HOUSING GOING INTO AREAS THAT ARE NOT EXPERIENCING GENTRIFICATION, LIKE THE FAR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LIKE THE EAST END. THAT'S AN OVERGENERALIZATION. AND IT ALSO SEEMS OKAY WITH THE PROJECTS GOING INTO AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING GENTRIFICATION BECAUSE THEY ARE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AREAS THAT ARE WHERE THE PRICES ARE INCREASING. SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT A SUPER DETAILED EXPLANATION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. STILL, SOME WORK TO DO. CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? BECAUSE WE SAW ONE OF OUR ACADEMICS SHAKE THEIR HEAD WHEN DID YOU ALL TEST THOSE PROPERTIES? MOST RECENTLY, THAT WAS AFTER THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING. AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THE TOOL HAS BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN. AND THE VERY FIRST QUESTION ON THE LOCATION TAB SAYS, DO RESIDENTS CURRENTLY RESIDE AT THIS LOCATION? SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE WORK THAT SHE JUST SAID STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE HAS BEEN DONE, AND IT IS CLEAR IN THE TOOL AS IT STANDS TODAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT RECORD WAS CLEAR. THANK YOU. LAURA, CAN I FOLLOW UP JUST QUICKLY, CHAIR, I'LL JUST BE QUICK ABOUT IT. SO I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW WELL THE TOOL IS GOING TO END UP WORKING. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, LIKE THEY'VE SAID, IT'S NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE. ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, YOU CANNOT BE THE FIRST AT SOMETHING WITHOUT TAKING A LITTLE RISK, AND YOU CAN'T BE AFRAID TO FAIL. RIGHT. AND IF THE TOOL, IF THE TOOL WORKS AND PROVIDES GOOD INFORMATION FOR US, FANTASTIC. THAT'LL BE AWESOME. IF OTHER PEOPLE DECIDE TO TRY TO MIMIC WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE, EVEN BETTER, I'M READY TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OUT OF COMMITTEE AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS THAT STILL NEED TO BE MADE, BUT [01:05:03] I THINK THOSE ARE TWEAKS THAT WE CAN MAKE GOING FORWARD. I'M READY TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BACK BY THURSDAY, AND I THINK WE'LL BE IN A GOOD, GOOD PLACE. COUNCILMEMBER SEAN, YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. AND I ASKED COUNCILMAN ARTHUR THESE QUESTIONS, AND I SINCERELY ECHO SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES HERE IN IN THE RESEARCH AND THE DATA THAT HE DOES AND GOES THROUGH TO, TO GET THE LEGISLATION THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S GOT HIS HIS T'S CROSSED AND HIS I'S DOTTED. SO I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THAT. ONE THING I MAY HAVE MISSED, I ASKED A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO HOW DOES THIS AFFECT HOMES OR DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO? WHERE DOES THAT AFFECT COME INTO PLAY? AND HOW DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, AFFECT THEM IN A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE MANNER. SO IF HABITAT FOR HUMANITY WANTS A SUBSIDY FROM THE CITY, LIKE OTHER DEVELOPERS, HOUSING DEVELOPERS WHO WANT SUBSIDIES, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT NORMAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER BECAUSE THEY BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPARED TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S GOING TO TRY TO COME IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CITY GOVERNMENT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S PURELY MARKET RATE. SO IT ACTUALLY MAKES THEM STAND NEXT TO THOSE DEVELOPERS AND SHINE EVEN BRIGHTER. I ALSO WANT TO JUST POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY DO OUTSTANDING WORK AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO DO OUTSTANDING WORK AROUND THIS. I'M SURE MOST OF US LOVE BEN AND JERRY'S, BUT IF THEY STARTED DEVELOPING HOUSING, THEY GOT TO COME THROUGH AND FILL OUT THIS ASSESSMENT JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD. COUNCILMAN BAKER, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST WHAT IF IT BE? IF IT APPEASES COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, I WOULD LOVE TO BE A CO-SPONSOR ON THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL. SO NOTED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YOU HAVE THE GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN OWEN, I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR AS WELL. THANK YOU. ALSO. COUNCILMAN MARINO, DID YOU HEAR DID YOU GET RENO WEBER? OKAY, ANYONE ONLINE? NO. OH, COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN PERISH, RIGHT? YEAH. CAN I DO IT? I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I HOPE THAT I AM LISTED AS A CO-SPONSOR. YES, MA'AM. YOU SURELY CAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FULL GAMUT OF FOLKS HERE. SO THIS IS A THIS IS A GOOD CHANCE TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE QUESTIONS. PARDON PUT YOU CO-SPONSOR. IS THAT IS THAT THE FIRST. CAN WE ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS THAT THE FIRST PIECE OF TRIPARTISAN LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN PASSED? YES. NO, IT'S NOT THE. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR, ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCILMAN HE STILL OWES ME A SHOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN BAKER, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. NO, YOU'RE JUST ON YOUR OWN. OKAY. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I, I. THOSE OPPOSED B, LIKE SIGN. HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES. THE RESOLUTION PASSES. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE FOR THIS TO GO TO CONSENT OR OLD BUSINESS? LET'S PUT IT ON OLD BUSINESS IN HOPES THAT WE GET SOME INFORMATION BACK ABOUT PRICING. AND WE CAN SHARE THAT. AND THE TWO PRICES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE $5,000 FOR OUTSIDE SERVICE. AND 2000 FOR INSIDE SERVICE. AND THE ONLY CAVEAT I WANT TO ADD IS THAT IN THE LETTER, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A $15 A MONTH SUBSCRIPTION FEE FOR HOSTING SOME SORT OF WEBSITE SERVER, BUT IF WE CAN HOST THAT INTERNALLY, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE USE. I'M SURE WE DON'T USE SQUARESPACE OR WIX, BUT. WE'LL THE COMMITTEE HAVE A SAY ON WHETHER WE'D RATHER IT GO OUTSIDE OR STAY INSIDE. JEFF O'BRIEN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CABINET WELL, REALLY, THE IT METRO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES IS GOING TO KIND OF BE THE FINAL DECIDER THERE. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I DON'T WANT TO BE FRIVOLOUS WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS, [01:10:02] BUT THEY'LL MAKE THE DECISION WHAT'S BEST FOR OVERALL METRO IT SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HEY. WOO! YES OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE. WE HAVE A HUGE AGENDA. SORRY. NO I'M GLAD I'M GLAD. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE HAPPY PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBERS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 11 BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO [11. O-260-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING 156.051 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES CLARIFYING THE AREA OF REGULATION REGARDING CLEANLINESS OF PROPERTIES. Action Required By:  May 7, 2024 Sponsors: Phillip T. Baker (D-6) ] HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WAITING FOR THEIR ITEM TO BE HEARD, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 11. IF THAT'S OKAY. WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING 156 .051 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES, CLARIFYING THE AREA OF REGULATION REGARDING CLEANLINESS OF PROPERTIES. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. AND WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. WHOEVER FROM DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT FIRST, COUNCILMAN BAKER? OR YOU WANT ME TO HOLD IT OVER TO ADMINISTRATION? NO. BUT BASICALLY THIS IS JUST CLARIFYING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BAD ACTORS WHO ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THEIR PROPERTY, THAT THEY'RE MAKING SURE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. BUT I'M GOING TO PUNT THIS OVER TO DEPUTY GEORGE. IF THAT'S OKAY. IF THAT'S THE RIGHT PERSO. AND DIRECTOR FLOOD TO TALK MORE IN DETAIL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU AND GOOD AFTERNOON, NICOLE GEORGE, DEPUTY MAYOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC SERVICES FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN BAKER AND ALSO THE TEAM THAT I WORK WITH THAT IS DEDICATED TO CLEANLINESS AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND ALL THE THINGS. SO REALLY FORTUNATE TO BE JOINED TODAY BY DIRECTOR RICHARD PRICE AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PETE FLOOD AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BRIGHTSIDE, LORI ROBERTS. SO THIS ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, IT CLARIFIES RESPONSIBILITY AROUND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND SPECIFICALLY SIDEWALKS. IT CLARIFIES THE WHO AND THE WHO IN THIS INSTANCE IS OWNER AND OR OCCUPANT. SO OWNER AND OCCUPANT. THE SECOND THING THAT IT DOES IS IT REALLY EXPANDS BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE AROUND SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY TO INCLUDE ALL PROPERTY, INCLUDING BUSINESS. IT INCLUDES THE WHAT, WHICH IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S REMOVAL AND REASONABLE PROMPTNESS OF ALL DEBRIS, INCLUDING RUBBISH, GARBAGE, LITTER. OR OTHER MATTER WHICH MAY AT ANY TIME ACCUMULATE UPON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING AN ABUTTING SIDEWALKS AND IT FURTHER SPECIFIES THAT SIDEWALK SHALL REMAIN CLEAR FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. AND I WOULD ALSO DEFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHO'S DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ROBBIE HOWARD AT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS OR NOT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. COUNCILMAN CHAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AS THIS LEGISLATION WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL, JUST THANK THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN PUTTING IT TOGETHER AS IN THE IN DISTRICT 25, WE TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP OUR AREA CLEAN OUR BUSINESSES CLEAN, OUR OUR SIDEWALKS CLEAN AND OUR OUR COMMUNITY CLEAN IS AS POSSIBLE. AND CREATING THIS ACCOUNTABILITY FACTOR FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA ARE GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL TO HELP US DO OUR JOB AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK, AND AS WELL AS KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY CLEAN. SO I THANK YOU ALL AND COMMEND YOU ALL ON THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE HERE. AND IF POSSIBLE, I'D BE HAPPY TO SET UP AS A CO-SPONSOR ON THIS AND ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO SUPPORT AND VOTE ON THIS LEGISLATION. PLEASE. YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO I JUST HAD KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF LANDLORD TENANT RESPONSIBILITIES AND RIGHTS. I THINK THIS ADDS, I HOPE THIS ADDS THIS WOULD ADD SOME TEETH TO A LEASE IF I'M A LANDLORD, A COMMERCIAL LANDLORD, AND I RENT OUT 1500FT■!S TO A BAKERY AND IN THAT LEASE IT SAYS PER METRO GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO X, Y AND Z AS THIS ORDINANCE DEMANDS HOW MUCH TEETH DOES THAT HAVE WITHIN THE LEASE AND WITHIN THE ORDINANCE? AND IF MY TENANT DOESN'T DO WHAT THE SO IF I'M IF [01:15:05] I'M TRYING TO REFLECT THE ORDINANCE IN MY LEASE, RIGHT TO SHIFT THE RESPONSIBILITY ONTO MY TENANT BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE THERE EVERY DAY IF THE TENANT THEN DOESN'T DO WHAT IS REQUIRED, BOTH IN THE METRO ORDINANCE AND IN MY LEASE, AND GETS FINES FOR EXAMPLE, THAT FINE WILL THAT FINE ULTIMATELY GO ON ME? BECAUSE I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? OR HOW WILL THAT WORK EXACTLY? GENERALLY, THE WAY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK. SO, DIRECTOR PRICE, IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, YOU JUMP UP AND TELL ME TO BE QUIET. BUT GENERALLY, THE WAY CODE ENFORCEMENT DEALS WITH THESE IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO KNOW WHO A TENANT IS. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE WAY THAT IT WAS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ISSUING A CODE ENFORCEMENT, ISSUING A CITATION AGAINST AN OCCUPANT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHO THE OCCUPANT IS IN MOST INSTANCES. SOMETIMES THEY WILL, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL STEP THAT WOULD BE AN OBSTACLE TO EFFICIENT ENFORCEMENT OF THEIR OF THE ORDINANCE. SO GENERALLY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GOING TO ISSUE THE CITATION AGAINST THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. THE CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP THROUGH A LEASE BETWEEN THE OWNER AND AN OCCUPANT THAT'LL BE KIND OF FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH. METRO GENERALLY ISN'T GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT RELATIONSHIP. SO AN OWNER THAT'S CITED, I GUESS TECHNICALLY, I GUESS THEY COULD PASS THAT COST ON TO THE OCCUPANT IF THEY'RE THE CAUSE. BUT IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN METRO AND THAT PROPERTY, THAT RELATIONSHIP IS GENERALLY GOING TO BE BETWEEN METRO AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, NOT METRO AND THE TENANT. WHEN IT COMES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT CITATIONS. AND I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. WELL, IT DOES SOME I JUST I'LL TELL YOU, I, I HOPE THAT THIS PROVIDES I JUST GIVE YOU A VERY PERSONAL EXAMPLE. I WE OWN A BUILDING THAT IS OCCUPIED BY A VERY LARGE NATIONAL RETAILER WHO IS TERRIBLE AT KEEPING THE TRASH OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY AND WE GET CITATIONS CONSTANTLY AS THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR DOLLAR TREE, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND MENTION THEIR NAME AND SHAME THEM RIGHT HERE. IT'S REALLY RIDICULOUS THAT A NATIONAL TENANT, RIGHT? I THINK THE MOM AND POPS ARE WAY BETTER BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE AND THEY'RE EMBARRASSED IF THEIR IF THEIR PLACE LOOKS TERRIBLE. BUT WE GET CITATIONS ALL THE TIME WHEN IN OUR LEASE. IT SAYS THAT THE TENANT IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED TO KEEP THE PROPERTY IN ORDER. I DON'T THINK THIS DOES ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT, EXCEPT PERHAPS STRENGTHENS MY CASE AS A PROPERTY OWNER. ARGUABLY, I WOULD SAY THAT'S CORRECT. SO. SO IN ONE SENSE, I THINK I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS AND TO PASS IT. BUT IN A LOT OF WAYS, IN THE REALITY ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW IT. THE WAY IT WORKS CURRENTLY IS I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM TODAY, WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN INTO AN ORDINANCE OR NOT, AND IT'S ONLY GOING AS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO SUPPORT MY HAND IN TRYING TO HELP THAT, TO HAVE THAT TENANT ACTUALLY HELP ME TRY TO DO THE WORK TO KEEP THE PROPERTY CLEAN. SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I SEE IT. THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY IT'S PROBABLY MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU WANTED TO HEAR. BUT WE DEAL WITH THIS ALL THE TIME. AND THIS I THINK HELPS BOTH IN GENERAL AT HAVING MORE PEOPLE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THINGS CLEAN. BUT I ALSO THINK IT HELPS THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THE END OF THE DAY, IN SUPPORTING THE WAY A LEASE, WHICH IS ALWAYS SET UP TO SAY YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR PROPERTY CLEAN IT, I THINK IT PROVIDES MORE TEETH TO THAT. SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST SAY, PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, COUNCILMAN DOLAN, I'VE HAD MORE PROBLEMS WITH NATIONAL CHAINS KEEPING PROPERTY UP THAN I EVER HAVE WITH MOM AND POP BUSINESSES, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING. AND IF I HEAR ONE OF THOSE OWNERS SAY, ONE MORE TIME, IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IS, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT? THEY GET FINED, SAY, $100 FOR NOT CUTTING THE GRASS. YOU KNOW, THEY JUST SAVE THEMSELVES, WHAT, 4 OR $500 FOR NOT HAVING SOMEONE MOW THE GRASS? IT'S RIDICULOUS. SO KUDOS FOR THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR. OH YOU'RE WELCOME. IS THAT ALL, HON? IS THAT ALL YOU WANTED? I MEAN, YOU JUST WANTED. YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER VACHON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO TO COUNCIL MEMBER OWEN'S POINT, I AGREE SENTIMENTALLY 100%. WITH THAT BEING SAID, DIRECTOR PRICE, PROBABLY THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. MAYBE, ROBBIE, JUST JUST TO BE SURE. SO IN THAT SENSE, LET'S USE MY PREVIOUS RESTAURANT [01:20:07] PROPERTY AS AN EXAMPLE. IF THAT'S OKAY. I WAS IN A STRIP CENTER, AND IF THE PARKING LOT WAS OUT OF ORDER AND DIRTY AND THE SIDEWALKS WERE UNACCEPTABLE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD GET THAT CITATION. AND LET'S SAY IT JUST WAS NARROWLY IN FRONT OF MY SPACE. DIRECTOR, HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHEN YOU SEND THAT CITATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER? CARLYLE'S RESTAURANT IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE HERE AND NOT AUTO ZONE DOWN THE DOWN THE DOWN THE PARKING LOT OR IS HE JUST GOING TO GET A GENERAL CITATION AND NOT KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO, AND THEN POSSIBLY INCREASE THE CAM'S BY ANOTHER 50 OR 100% JUST TO MAKE SURE HE COVERS HIS TAIL. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THE DIRECT AREA. AND I'M USING IT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN OWEN'S PROBABLY GOT A TENANT IN A ONE STAND-ALONE BUILDING. I'M THINKING STRIP CENTER WISE. NOW, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? WELL, RICHARD PRICE, DIRECTOR OF CODES AND REGULATIONS, THAT'S A VERY COMPLEX QUESTION. BUT. AND OUR OFFICERS DO A GREAT JOB TRYING TO MEASURE THAT EVEN NOW. BUT JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TAKE WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS AND WE WOULD APPLY THE CITATION ACCORDING TO WHERE WE SEE THE BUSINESS. THAT IS WHERE IF IT'S IN FRONT OF THAT BUSINESS, WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THAT CITATION THAT WAY. I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TRYING TO DO WHILE I AM DOING AT CODES AND REGULATIONS IS TRYING TO ENGAGE OWNERS OF PROPERTIES, LANDLORDS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH US SO WE CAN HELP EDUCATE TENANTS, HELP EDUCATE BUSINESS TENANTS, THAT IS RENTING PROPERTIES AND SO WE CAN TRY TO GET THEM ON THE SAME PAGE. BUT AGAIN, WE GOTTA HOLD THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE SEE IT BASED ON THE, THE ORDINANCE THAT CITATION. AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S APPEALS PROCESS TO THE CODE BOARD THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITH. THANK YOU. ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND THIS ONE MIGHT BE FOR ROBBIE, IS IT WISE FOR US TO POSSIBLY ADD LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT REQUIRES PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE LEASING THEIR FACILITIES OUT TO HAVE THIS MENTIONED IN THEIR LEASE, SO THAT IT DOES CARRY SOME TEET, AND IT DOES ALLOW THAT SPECIFICITY IN, IN WHETHER IT'S WITHIN THE REPORTING SIDE OF CODES AND REGS IN FRONT OF KHALIL'S RESTAURANT OR IN FRONT OF AUTOZONE, OR AT THE DOLLAR TREE AT THE CORNER OF OWEN'S PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO IS THAT IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE LEGISLATION WE CAN ADD A LANGUAGE OR A SENTENCE WHERE IT SAYS, THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ADD IN LEASES MOVING FORWARD? I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU TWO ANSWERS TO THAT. ONE. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH BEFORE I COULD GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT METRO COULD INTERJECT ITSELF INTO THAT CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP ON THAT PROPERTY. AND THEN THE OTHER ANSWER WOULD BE, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE FOR IT. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TENANT AND LANDLORD THAT WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF CITATION ISSUE OF THIS NATURE. SO IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE I COULD ANSWER. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUICKLY, CHAIR. CHAIR. SORRY ABOUT THAT. COUNCILMAN VACHON, I THINK FROM A BROAD PERSPECTIVE, INTERJECTING OURSELVES INTO THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LANDLORD AND TENANT IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA. LIKE I THINK. AND ROBBIE KIND OF REFERRED TO THAT. THAT'S THE ONE. BUT TWO, IF YOU HAVE ANY. SO I MEAN, THAT IS SUCH A STANDARD PART OF MOST LEASES THAT I THINK IT'S I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I WOULD PREFER THAT WE STAY OUT OF THAT AND LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEALING WITH THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE ALMOST ALL THE TIME THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT IN THAT LEASE. IF YOU HAVE ANY SOPHISTICATION AT ALL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR LEASE. BUT MY $0.02, THANKS. COUNCILMAN CHAP, I HAD A QUESTION, I THINK, ON THIS THE SAME MORE SO A SUGGESTION I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN OWEN'S SENTIMENTS AROUND THIS AND AS WELL AS COUNCILMAN BUCKHORN. SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO PUT THAT IN THE MARKETING MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE [01:25:03] GIVING TO BUSINESSES AS A SUGGESTION. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A BEST PRACTICE, BUT MAYBE NOT WRITE IT INTO THE LEGISLATION. JUST MY $0.02. I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM 100 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS IN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, THAT ANY TIME THE CITY CHANGED THE LAW, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE PUT IN OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE WOULD HOLD THAT PUT IN RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE WOULD HOLD THE TENANT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY BREAKAGE AND ANY OF THE LOCAL ORDINANCES AND LAWS. SO IT MAY BE STANDARD IN SOME OF THE LEASES. IT WAS WITH THE COMPANIES I WORKED FOR, COUNCILMAN WEBER, JUST SO THAT I'M SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS WILL ENABLE METRO TO SITE TENANTS FOR. NO THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO BEING ABLE TO SITE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. WE ALREADY COULD SITE TENANTS ARGUABLY YOU COULD ALREADY SITE OWNERS OR TENANTS. BUT THIS JUST CLARIFIES THAT THERE'S RESPONSIBILITY ON OWNERS ALSO. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT THAT RESPONSIBILITY APPLIES TO SIDEWALKS. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO IT IS BROADENING OUR EXISTING CITATION POWER. CORRECT? OKAY. THAT'S AND AS SOMEONE WHOSE DISTRICT CONTAINS AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF LEFTOVER CHICKEN BONES AND VARIOUS OTHER DETRITUS OF BOTH TENANTS AND OWNERS, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN CITE THE ORIGIN OF THOSE MATERIALS, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CLEANING UP AFTER THEMSELVES. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO POINT OUR FINE STAFF IN THE DIRECTIONS OF SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS OFFENDERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I I'M GLAD THAT SOME OF THE MY COLLEAGUES SPOKE BEFORE ME. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I JUST DON'T WANT THIS WEAPONIZED AGAINST ORGANIZATIONS LIKE MY OWN THAT ARE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. WE ACTUALLY I'M ACTUALLY HERE NOW. WE RENT A SPACE THAT'S AT BROOK AND BROADWAY. THE WHOLE SPACE FROM DOLLAR GENERAL, WHICH USED TO BE THE WALGREENS AT BROOK AND BROADWAY AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH OUR OUR THREE, FOUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE SUBWAY AND ALL THAT ARE ALL OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER, WHICH IS WAYLAND VENTURES, THE WE I THINK CLEANLINESS IS EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK WITH THE AGGRESSIVENESS OF THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, CLEARINGS THAT DEPUTY MAYOR GEORGE AND HER STAFF ARE DOING, AND THEY'RE CALLING THEM PUBLIC. THEY'RE CALLING THEM CLEARING CLEANINGS, BUT THEY'RE CLEARINGS. THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE BEING PUSHED AROUND IN OUR AREA, WHICH I WAS ALSO HOMELESS IN BEFORE. IT'S HIGHLY KNOWN AS AN AREA FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HERE DOESN'T MEAN HOMELESSNESS HAS CHANGED. IT ACTUALLY CONTINUES TO GROW BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT AGGRESSIVE CLEARINGS, WHICH ARE NOT REPLACEMENTS, THEY'RE JUST CLEARINGS. MY CONCERN IS THAT SOMEONE WE ARE IN A TEN YEAR LEASE AND SOMEONE CAN CONTINUE TO SITE. WE ALREADY YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SITE A OWNER. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SITE SOMEONE THAT'S RENTING, I PAY, I HAVE A STAFF PAY, STAFF PERSON AND VOLUNTEERS WHO CLEAN UP AROUND HERE. BUT THIS COULD PUT PRESSURE ON ON THESE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HELPING THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY. WE DON'T GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO SLEEP OUTSIDE OF OUR BUILDINGS TO CAMP AND ALL OF THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT FOLKS ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON. BUT IF AN OWNER AND THE STRONGEST LAWS ARE AROUND LAND OWNERSHIP, LET'S BE CLEAR. BUT IF THE OWNER KEEPS GETTING CITED AND IT'S BLAMED ON THE TENANT, AS COUNCILMAN BEN WEBER JUST SAID, YOU'RE NOT GETTING EVER GOING TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING YOUR CHICKEN BONES. YOU'RE GETTING THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LITTER THERE, AND THEN WHOEVER'S RENTING THAT OR LEASING THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING IT UP. I THINK THAT THAT'S ALL FAIR, BUT WE WILL NEVER GET TO THE SOURCE OF WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING IT. AND ANOTHER THING IS, IF WE THAT ARE IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE HIGH POPULATIONS OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE, I DON'T WANT US PENALIZED FOR WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING. SO IS THERE A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE OR PROCESS FOR THESE SITUATIONS? SO IF SOMEONE HAD AN ENCAMPMENT OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK OVERNIGHT, A LOT OF THINGS AREN'T 24 HOURS. WE KNOW OUR OUR CITY SHUTS DOWN AROUND 6:00. SO I DON'T HAVE PAID STAFF AROUND THE CLOCK. BUT IF SOMEBODY DECIDES THAT THEY WILL PUT UP A CAMP, AN ENCAMPMENT, THEY AND THEY LEAVE IT TO THE MORNING. IF WE'RE CITED BEFORE OUR STAFF GETS IN THERE, THAT'S STILL OUR FAULT. LIKE, AND THAT'S SOMEBODY WHO WAS UNHOUSED. SO THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT HOW THIS IMPACTS THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE BUSINESSES THAT HELP OUR UNHOUSED COMMUNITY IN AN AREA LIKE I'M IN RIGHT NOW. IS THERE ANY CAVEATS FOR THAT? AND IS THERE ANY WARNINGS AND PROCESSES FOR A GRIEVANCE IF THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONTROL IF IT HAPPENED OVERNIGHT? RICHARD PRICE, DIRECTOR OF CODES AND REGULATIONS, COUNCILWOMAN, DOES YOU KNOW, OUR PROCESS IS GENERALLY ESPECIALLY FOR VIOLATIONS LIKE THIS GENERALLY STARTS WITH A VIOLATION NOTICE. AND THAT DOES NOT CARRY A FINE OR CITATION THAT GIVES YOU, DEPENDING ON THE OFFICERS, YOU [01:30:06] KNOW, TIME TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT. HEY, THIS IS A VIOLATION. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? AND CLEANING IT UP? AND THEN IF IT IF IT IF IT FOR SOME REASON ROLLS OVER TO A CITATION, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT CITATION AND ENTER INTO CONVERSATION WITH MYSELF AND THE CODE BOARD TO TRY TO RESOLVE IT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO DO EXACTLY THAT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT THROUGH OUR NORMAL PROCESSES OF VIOLATION NOTICES FOR VIOLATIONS LIKE THIS, THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THE MESSAGE AND WORK TOGETHER TO GET IT DONE. THANK YOU, MR. PRICE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISN'T WEAPONIZED AGAINST ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS LIKE MINE. I KNOW YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM, AND THANK YOU FOR VERIFYING THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE AND A PROCESS TO APPEAL. YES, I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT REED. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING. MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT STAFF TO DO THIS? DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWE? TO DO IT NOW? YES, WE DO ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE STILL HAVE A FEW OPEN POSITIONS. WE'RE TRYING TO FILL. GET FILLED NOW AND THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR MORE. BUT I THINK RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, IF THIS ORDINANCE WAS IN PLACE, WE'LL BE FINE IN ENFORCING THIS ORDINANCE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS MOVING TOWARDS A STRATEGIC DATA DRIVEN CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE OVERALL COVERAGE OF THIS CASES AND ALSO THE USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE PLAN TO DO. SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES WE DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BAKER, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO FIRST I JUST WANT TO TAKE TIME TO THANK EACH AND EVERY PERSON WHO WORKED ON THIS. THANK YOU. DEPUTY GEORGE. DIRECTOR FLOOD, DIRECTOR PRICE AND ALL YOUR TEAM BRIGHTSIDE. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR FEEDBACK, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT, AS WELL. THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT MEANT TO WEAPONIZE OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST TO BROADEN THE RESPONSIBILITY AND CLARIFY, TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO KEEP IN OUR CITY CLEAN. SO I JUST WANT TO JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COSPONSORSHIP AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE FOR YES VOTE. COUNCILMAN WEBER, IF MY COLLEAGUE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, I'D ALSO LIKE TO CO-SPONSOR. I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SHOUT OUT THE AMBASSADORS WHO DO ARE AT THE FRONT LINES OF THIS WORK IN ALL THE PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT YOU GUYS DO AN AMAZING JOB, AND WE HOPE WE CAN MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING A ROLL CALL. VOTE. DRUM ROLL. VOTING IS THERE EIGHT YES VOTES AND THIS WILL GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 1.2.2, 1.2.2 AND 4.1.2 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LDC. REGARDING FACTORY BUILT HOMES, CASE NUMBER 23, LDC 0004. WE'RE READY FOR [5. O-175-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 1.2.2 AND 4.1.2 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE (“LDC”) REGARDING FACTORY BUILT HOUSING (CASE NO. 23-LDC-0004). 10/29/24 Planning and Zoning Committee Held 10/15/24 Planning and Zoning Committee Held 9/10/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Tabled 8/27/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Held 8/13/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Held Action Required By:  February 2025 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO. THERE WAS SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN A MEET, SOME MEETINGS, SEVERAL TIMES AGO. SO I'LL LET COUNTY ATTORNEY TRAVIS FEASTER GO OVER THOSE AMENDMENTS. IF YOU DON'T MIND, OR THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M HAPPY TO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. DID STAFF, DID YOU PREPARE A PRESENTATION ON THOSE AMENDMENTS OR NOT? OKAY, THEN I'M HAPPY TO SORT OF GO OVER THEM BRIEFLY. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO ADD, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. SO THE AMENDMENTS ARE ON THE SYSTEM. THEY START ON PAGE. I APOLOGIZE, I JUST HAD THEM UP AND THEN I SCROLLED. THEY START ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE FOUR. DOUBLE UNDERLINED SECTION SIX SUB E. SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS PROPOSED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND VILLAGE FORM DISTRICTS. THIS IS MAINLY TO MAKE SURE THAT FACTORY BUILT HOUSING IN THESE DISTRICTS COMPLY VISUALLY WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S LARGELY SORT OF INFILL RELATED, ALTHOUGH IN THEORY IT WOULD APPLY TO UNDEVELOPED TRACTS IN SUCH DISTRICTS AS WELL. I CAN GO OVER [01:35:03] SORT OF THE DETAILS THERE, BUT BASICALLY IT'S MEANT TO SORT OF ORIENT THE BUILDINGS IN SUCH A WAY AS WELL AS PROVIDE A CERTAIN MINIMUM WIDTH THAT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES SOME VISUAL SIMILARITY AND COHESION, AS WELL AS DEALING WITH SOME MINIMUM SETBACKS FOR THESE STRUCTURES THAT WHICH DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY EXIST. AND THEN THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE IN THE FOLLOWING SECTION SEVEN SUB B PREVIOUS LANGUAGE INCLUDED REQUIRING A FRONT PORCH ALONG THE ENTIRE FACADE OF A STRUCTURE, BUT WITH THESE NEW ORIENTATION AND WIDTH RELATED REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VERY LARGE PORCH. SO THIS CREATES A NEW MINIMUM PORCH WITH A TEN FEET. AND IF YOU WANT TO DO A LARGER ONE, YOU CAN. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH ALONG THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF A STRUCTURE, WHICH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, 40 PLUS FEET DEPENDING ON LENGTH. AND ORIENTATION. AGAIN, STAFF CAN PROBABLY GO INTO MORE INTO THE DETAILS OF SORT OF WHY THIS CAME TO BE. AND OTHERWISE I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TO GO INTO WHY WE ARE DISCUSSING MANUFACTURED HOUSING, JUST GENERALLY. YEAH, JUST IN GENERAL. OKAY. IS RACHEL CASEY, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE OFFICE OF PLANNING. WE PRESENTED THE GENERAL PRESENTATION ON THIS AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, A FEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS AGO WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY HEARD, BUT AS A PART OF THE ONGOING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM THAT BEGAN VIA A METRO COUNCIL RESOLUTION IN 2020, PART OF THAT WAS LOOKING AT TAKING UP SOME CHANGES TO MANUFACTURER OR FACTORY BUILT HOUSING. THERE WAS A RESOLUTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER OF 2023 TO LOOK AT THE STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RELATED TD A SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT AMOU OF RESRCH,TTEND A TRADE SHOW, SPOKE WITH MANY FOLKS IN T INDUSTRTHROUGHO TH A DOPED A HELANNING COMMISSION , IELIEVE IT WAS JUNER JULY, I THINK IT WAS IN JULY, AND THE GENERAL RECOMMENDED CHANGES WERE TO TAKE A SET OF REGULATIONS THAT WERE PRETTY COMPLEX FOR PLACING A FACTORY BUILT HOME, ESPECIALLY THEY WERE A LOT MORE BURDENSOME THAN THE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD BE PLACED ON A SITE BUILT HOME. EVEN THOUGH THESE HOMES ARE GENERALLY UP TO THE SAME STANDARDS AND GENERALLY HAVE THE SAME SAFETY MEASUREMENTS, FOUNDATION MEASUREN IN PLTHNY SITE BUILT HOME WOULD TODAY. SO WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND THEY VERY MUCH SIMPLIFIED THE PROCESS FOR PLACING A FACTORY BUILT HOME. YOU CAN BASICALLY GO THROUGH A SET OF ABOUT TEN STANDARDS, AND AS LONG AS YOU MEET THOSE STANDARDS, YOU COULD PLACE A FACTORY BUILT HOME IN LOUISVILLE METRO. AND SO THOSE WERE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT WE BROUGHT AT THE, I DON'T KNOW, 4 OR 5 COMMITTEE MEETINGS AGO BEFORE THIS WAS HELD. AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES WERE MADE IN CONSULTATION WITH COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER AND COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD. AND THAT WAS TO JUST MAKE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS FOR FACTORY BUILT HOUSING IN OUR SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD FORMS JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT SORT OF ORIENTATION ON THIS FACTORY BUILT HOME. YOU KNOW, THESE GENERALLY COME IN SIZES OF LIKE A 15 BY 76. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNO, A FACTORY BUILT HOME IS ORIENTED IN THE SAME DIRECTION OR ORIENTED IN THE SAME WAY TOWARDS THE STREET THAT ANY OTHER HOME WOULD BE IN THOSE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD FORMS. OBVIOUSLY, THE SORT OF SHOTGUN STYLE IS VERY APPROPRIATE IN OUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE ORIENTATION IN THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE'VE JUST MADE SOME CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM WIDTH OF THE ORIENTATION TO THE STREET IN THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT WAS GENERALLY WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AMENDMENT THAT TRAVIS SPOKE ABOUT. SO WE NEED AN A MOTION TO ACCEPT. I MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS THAT TRAVIS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD. SECOND, PROBABLY MADE. AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE, SIGN SEEING NONE, THE MOTION CARRIES. LET'S SEE SPEAKERS. COUNCILMAN BACHON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST FOR THE FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME OR ANYBODY WATCHING, CAN YOU GIVE A QUICK DESCRIPTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACTORY BUILT HOME AND WHAT A I GUESS A SINGLE WIDE WOULD BE, OR A DOUBLE WIDE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MOBILE PARK TRAILER? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME, BUT YEAH, YEAH, I CAN GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW. SO THE WAY THAT IT'S REGULATED IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FACTORY BUILT HOUSING OR FACTORY BUILT HOME IS A DEFINITION THAT INCLUDES BOTH MANUFACTURED HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO A MANUFACTURED HOME IS BUILT TO A CODE THAT IS SET [01:40:05] FORTH BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO THERE IS A CODE, THEY GENERALLY CALL IT THE HUD CODE. IT'S SET BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INSPECTS THESE STRUCTURES WHEN THEY'RE BEING BUILT IN THE FACTORY. SO THAT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME, A MODULAR HOME IS ESSENTIALLY BUILT IN THE EXACT SAME FACTORY. AND THE EXACT SAME MANNER, EXCEPT IT'S BUILT TO STATE BUILDING CODES OF WHATEVER STATE THAT IT'S BEING PLACED IN. AND IT'S INSPECTED IN THE FACTORY BY A STATE INSPECTOR. THAT'S REALLY THE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MANUFACTURED HOME AND A MODULAR HOME IS WHICH OF THOSE CODES IS IT BEING BUILT TO? IS IT BEING BUILT TO THE FEDERAL HUD CODE THAT'S MANUFACTURED? IS IT BEING BUILT TO THE STATE BUILDING CODE THAT'S MODULAR? NOW, THE THIRD PIECE THAT YOU MENTIONED THERE OF A MOBILE HOME. SO I KNOW THAT THESE ARE COMMONLY CALLED MOBILE HOMES. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF THEM AS. BUT ACTUALLY A MOBILE HOME HASN'T BEEN BUILT SINCE 1976. THAT'S WHENRTED TO REGULATE THESE MANUFACTURED HOMES WITH THAT HUD CODE. AND SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A MOBILE HOME BUILT SINCE 1976. AND IN FACT, IN OUR UPDATED DEFINITIONS THAT WE'RE INCLUDING AS A PART OF THIS AMENDMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE REGULATING ANYTHING THAT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO 2002 AS A MOBILE HOME. AND IF IT'S A MOBILE HOME, IT HAS A LOT MORE RESTRICTIONS ON IT. IT HAS TO BE IN A MOBILE HOME PARK. THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER SET OF STANDARDS FOR THAT IN THE STATE LAW. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY EVEN STRENGTHENING THAT DEFINITION SO THAT IT CAN ONLY REALLY BE CONSIDERED A FACTORY BUILT HOME IF IT WAS BUILT AFTER 2002. COUNCIL MEMBER OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO WE HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION DONE AND A GREAT DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF TIMES IN OUR AD HOC LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMMITTEE. SO ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED SHOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS. I JUST WANT TO I THINK PRIMARILY THIS THIS IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON INFILL IN, IN MOSTLY BUILT OUT NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME OF IT BEING BUILT IN OTHER AREAS, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY GOING TO BE INFILL SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES IN IN BUILT OUT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S ONE TWO THE, THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN A MANUFACTURED SETTING ARE INCREDIBLY WELL BUILT AND ARE, AMONG OTHER THINGS, FIREPROOF BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT STICK BUILT, THEY ARE BUILT FROM STEEL AND OTHER FIREPROOF. THEY ARE GENERALLY VERY GREEN AND ENERGY STANDARD, WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, LEED STANDARD, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TO LIKE ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS TYPE OF HOUSING THAT I'M I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CRAFTSPEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT CAN BUILD HOUSES IN THE UNITED STATES ANYMORE. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF OUR HOUSING DEFICIT IS BY USING MANUFACTURED BUILT HOUSING. SO I AND THE FINAL THING I'LL SAY IS I AM A FAILED ARCHITECT. I WAS AN ARCHITECT FOR SCHOOL FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS, SO DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE IS IMPORTANT TO ME. AND WHEN I BUILD AN ADU ON MY PROPERTY ON THE PROPERTY THAT MY FAMILY AND I LIVE ON, IT WILL BE A MANUFACTURED HOME. I THINK THEY'RE THAT WELL BUILT AND, AND, AND LOOK GOOD ENOUGH THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT ONE IN MY OWN BACKYARD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE. COUNCIL. AND YES, EIGHT YES VOTES. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE IT WAS AMENDED AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY, I PROMISED THAT I WOULD FINISH HIS STUFF TODAY. OH. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO AND COUNCILMAN SEAN HAS TWO. I GAVE YOU 15 MINUTES UNTIL NINE. PARDON? SKIP YOURS. BOTH OF THEM. I DON'T MIND EXTENDING BY 15 MINUTES FAST, IF THAT. IF I HAVE TO RESTART THIS. OKAY. EVERYBODY HERE. IS THAT OKAY [01:45:07] WITH YOU TO START WITH NUMBER NINE FOR DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN SEAN. YES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER [9. O-258-24     A ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) CHAPTER 156 RELATED TO DEMOLITIONS. Action Required By:  May 7, 2024 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ] NINE IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LOUISVILLE, JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES. LMC CHAPTER 156 RELATED TO DEMOLITIONS. MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. PROPERLY MOVED AT SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW HIM OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A METRO EMPLOYEE NAMED PORKCHOP, AND HIS REAL NAME IS KEVIN. BUT HE'S A HARD WORKER AND HE HAS AN EVEN BIGGER HEART. AND WHEN HE SUPERVISES EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS, HE WORKS WITH TENANTS TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET THEIR ITEMS BACK IF IT'S SAFE. SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD HELP CODIFY THAT PROCESS. SO WHEN PORKCHOP RETIRES, ANYONE WHO COMES IN TO SUPERVISE THOSE EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS CAN ATTEMPT TO WORK WITH THE TENANTS TO GET THOSE KEEPSAKES BACK. YOU PROBABLY SAW IN THE NEWS THE FIRE THAT HAPPENED AT 310 NULU, AND THAT WAS A SPECIAL SCENARIO WHERE IT WAS JUST TOTALLY UNSAFE TO GET THOSE BELONGINGS BACK. BUT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE TRYING REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT THOSE THINGS, AND HE WAS ABLE TO AT LEAST WORK WITH THEM. SO THIS WOULD JUST ENSURE THAT GOING FORWARD, FOR EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS, THE SUPERVISOR IS WORKING WITH THOSE TENANTS TO GET THINGS BACK IF IT IS SAFE. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS LEGISLATION DOES. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN ENGEL, JUST REAL QUICK, I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. BUT THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. BY THE WAY. SO IF WE'RE WRITING, IF WE'RE PASSING THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS, THIS PROPERTY BACK, ARE WE ARE WE INSINUATING THEN THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS DOES NOT DO THAT? WHAT. SO THE CURRENT PROCESS IS DEPENDENT ON THE EMPLOYEE'S PERSONAL DISCRETION. AND THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES IN AND REPLACES HIM. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UNLESS THEY'RE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, CODIFY IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. SO THIS JUST ENSURES WHOEVER COMES IN TO REPLACE HIM, REPLACE HIM OR THE OTHER SUPERVISORS ARE FOLLOWING THAT SAME PRACTICE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT THAT AS A STANDARD. FAIR ENOUGH. THANKS. COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SO TRAVIS AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH ABOUT BETTER DEFINING WHAT PERSONAL KEEPSAKES ARE, AND SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS IRREPLACEABLE ITEMS SUCH AS ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHS, CREMATION ASHES, AND FAMILY HEIRLOOMS. WOULD THAT SATISFY AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WHAT THESE ITEMS ARE? YOU CAN'T JUST GO BACK AND GET A PAIR OF SHOES. YOU KNOW IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC TO SOMETHING THAT'S IRREPLACEABLE JEWELRY AND CREMATION ASHES. WHAT ABOUT JEWELRY? I'M THINKING OF THINGS THAT THAT ARE REPLACEABLE. NO. WELL, I GUESS BECAUSE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND YOUR MEDICARE CARDS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE REPLACEABLE. BUT IT'S AT THE. YEAH. COULD YOU ASK? OKAY. WELL, WHAT? DO YOU ENCOURAGE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS? I'M JUST THINKING, LIKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES THAT IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO PROVE WHO YOU ARE. GOVERNMENT ISSUED. YEAH. GOVERNMENT ISSUED. THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM CALLS A VITAL DOCS. PARDON? THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM CALLS IT VITAL DOCUMENTS. SO THAT COULD INCLUDE YOUR INSURANCE CARDS OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LEGAL DEFINITION. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT SORRY. I MEAN, I'M I'M HAPPY TO INCLUDE WHATEVER, BUT WITHOUT A SPECIFIC LIST, I, I'M NOT SURE IF VITAL DOCS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY, ESTABLISHED BY STATUTE OR FEDERAL LAW THAT WE COULD EASILY PULL OR NOT. THAT'D BE GREAT IF IT WAS. I JUST DON'T HAVE A FAMILIARITY WITH THAT TERM PERSONALLY. OKAY. BUT ALSO SO I THINK ASSUMING THAT'S A OH, WE HAVE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LIST OF THEM ON THE METRO WEBSITE. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO I THINK I THINK WE CAN REFER TO THOSE. SO I THINK THE TRICK IS SORT OF WHAT IS IN THE OTHER LIST. RIGHT. MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IS THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, OH WELL THIS IS AN, YOU KNOW, AN ANTIQUE BOUDOIR THAT HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR GENERATIONS. AND NOW WE GOT TO CARRY SOME GIANT PIECE OF FURNITURE DOWN MULTIPLE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS OF A COLLAPSING BUILDING. RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS [01:50:02] NOT INCLUDED IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A DEFINITION LIST AND, YOU KNOW, PHOTOGRAPHS, LOCKETS, ASHES, THOSE ARE ALL SORT OF SMALLER. I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WANT TO WHERE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DRAW THE LINE. MADAM CHAIR, I THINK JEFF, JEFF O'BRIEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT I WOULD AGAIN, I THINK THE KEY TO THIS IS AND I'LL REFER TO MR. MANNERING, AKA PORKCHOP. WHAT, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THEY DO IN THESE SITUATIONS IS THE INSPECTOR IS ASSESSING THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING AND THE ITEMS. SO I THINK IF WE I THINK IF WE KEEP IT GENERAL TO, TO PERSONAL KEEPSAKES OR IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FINE. I THINK ONCE WE GET INTO A LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO CHALLENGES. IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE UP TO THE INSPECTOR'S DISCRETION AS TO WHAT CAN SAFELY BE REMOVED FROM A BUILDING THAT IS IN SOME STATE OF FAILURE. IN THE CASE OF THE APARTMENT FIRE AT 310 NULU LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A VERY UNSTABLE BUILDING AND FULL COLLAPSE. AND THESE THESE SITUATIONS CAN VARY. SO I JUST I REALLY WANT TO LEAVE IT VAGUE AND LEAVE IT TO THE ITEMS THAT YOU THAT HAVE CURRENTLY BEEN DEFINED IN THE LEGISLATION. I WOULDN'T GET INTO A LAUNDRY LIST BECAUSE WE WILL GET INTO THOSE ANTIQUE BOUDOIRS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ACTUALLY CARE. ARMOIRE WHETHER WE COULD ACTUALLY CARRY THAT SAFELY OUT OF A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ONLY THE INSPECTOR CAN TELL. AND IN SOME CASES, THAT MIGHT BE OKAY. IN THE CASE OF A OF A MAJOR COLLAPSE THAT MIGHT THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE SAFE TO GO COLLECT AN ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THOSE ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED LIKE CREMATION ASHES, THOSE AREN'T CURRENTLY IN THE LEGISLATION. BUT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE LEAVE IT VAGUE AND DON'T LIST THOSE? YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD LEAVE IT TO I WOULD LEAVE IT TO PERSONAL, IRREPLACEABLE ITEMS AND IMPORTANT DOCUMENTATION SO THAT OR AND YOU CAN AND OTHER SIMILAR ITEMS. I WOULD PROBABLY AGAIN THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE INSPECTOR'S DISCRETION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING IS SAFE TO BE ENTERED AND WHETHER OR NOT THE ITEMS CAN SAFELY BE REMOVED FROM THAT BUILDING. AME. SAFETY FIRST. SO DO YOU WANT TO TRY THAT LANGUAGE? SO I THINK THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS JUST TO SORT OF ADD THE PHRASE AND VITAL DOCUMENTS. AFTER EVERY TIME THE PHRASE PERSONAL KEEPSAKES APPEARS IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ABOUT ONE INCH SUBSECTION G, 1 IN 1, 1 IN 3, AND ONE IN THE FINAL PARAGRAPH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT. PROPERLY MOVED, A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AYE, THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE MOTION PASSES. COUNCILMAN BUCKHORN. NO. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO VOTE? OKAY. THIS ORDINANCE CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. OKAY. VICE CHAIR REED. IT'S NOT COMING UP ON MY SCREEN, BUT YES. THANK YOU. VOTING IS CLOSING. YOU HAVE EIGHT YES VOTES. EIGHT. YES VOTES. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE AMENDMENTS IN OUR NEXT MEETING. NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. EXCUSE ME. ITEM NUMBER TEN IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 150 OF THE LOUISVILLE JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES LMCO TO GIVE GREATER NOTICE TO THOSE AFFECTED BY THE DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL OF A BUILDING OR STRUCTURE. MOTION. SECOND, [10. O-259-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 150 OF THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) TO GIVE GREATER NOTICE TO THOSE AFFECTED BY THE DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL OF A BUILDING OR STRUCTURE. Action Required By:  May 7, 2024 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ] PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. ALL. TRY TO GET TO SIX AND SEVEN HERE. JUST MAKING SURE YOU MIGHT WANT TO STAY ON THE MEETING. OH DON'T WORRY OKAY. SHE SAID. THIS WAS OH WE CAN SKIP THIS ONE OKAY THEN JUST WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION. WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION. SORRY. SECOND. OKAY. PROPERLY MOVED IN. MOTION'S PROPERLY REMOVED. SO WE'RE SKIPPING NUMBER TEN. OKAY. NOW WE'LL GO TO ORDINANCE NUMBER. EXCUSE ME. ITEM NUMBER SIX WAS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING [6. R-130-24     A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS WITH REGARD TO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. Action Required By:  May 7, 2024 Sponsors: Khalil Batshon (R-25), Donna Purvis (D-5)] THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS WITH REGARD TO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. THANK YOU. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. JOE HABERMANN, OFFICE OF PLANNING. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCILMAN BUCKHORN ON THIS. BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT [01:55:02] THE ZONING DISTRICTS OF R5 A AND R5 B, AND THE DENSITY ALLOWANCES AS IT RELATES TO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, AND JUST SEE IF THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL VIEW IN SINGLE FAMILY, WHERE DENSITY IS LARGELY REGULATED UNIT PER LOT TO BE BY RIGHT TO OPERATE WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S THREE BEDS OR LESS. WHEN YOU GET INTO MULTIFAMILY. IT'S A FORMULA DEPENDENT ON THE ZONING. AND THEN YOU KIND OF MULTIPLY THAT BY THREE. SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH SOME R5, B AND R5 A PROPERTIES ARE DENSITIES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN SOME WOULD ANTICIPATE. AND WE JUST WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE. COUNCILOR BASSAN YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JOE, THANK YOU FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND CONTINUE TO DO ON THIS WITH US AS AS WE SEE HERE, THAT I JUST WANT TO JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS. AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE KEY FACTORS THAT WE'VE GOT AT PLAY HERE TO WHAT JOE HAS SAID. WE ARE FACING A LOT OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING CUP PERMITS IN R5, A, R5, B SAID TO BE HIGHER DENSITY ZONING DISTRICTS R5 A PEOPLE JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, ARE MEANT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, TOWNHOMES STYLE DUPLEX RESIDENTS NOT HIGH DENSITY OF THE UPWARDS OF 15 TO 106 BEDS PER UNIT IN AN R5 A ZONING DISTRICT. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET YOUR SUPPORT ON TODAY IS A RESOLUTION TO PASS SO THAT JOE AND HIS TEAM AND BRIAN AND HIS TEAM CAN WORK ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD IN GETTING THIS LANGUAGE AND THE LDC CORRECTED BASED ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IS THEY'RE DOING THE CALCULATIONS. JOE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THE MEASUREMENT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ACREAGE AND LAND ON A PROPERTY, AND NOT NECESSARILY THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE. SO WE WERE LOOKING TO CORRECT THAT AND GET THAT FIXED IN THE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO BAN. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO RESTRICT. WE'RE NOT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING CARE OF ALL OF OUR FOLKS IN NEED. WE ARE GIVING THEM THE PROPER HOUSING IN THIS REVIEW. IT ALSO WILL BE ADDRESSING THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR AND IF THERE'S ANY TRANSPORTATION NEAR THE LOCATION THAT THEY WANT TO PUT A TRANSITIONAL HOME OR SLASH HALFWAY HOUSE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM WHERE THAT THEY'RE NEAR AMENITIES TO GIVE FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO FALL BACK INTO THE CIRCLE OF FAILURE WITH GETTING BACK AND LOCKED UP INTO CORRECTIONS, OR GO BACK TO PRISON WHERE THEY JUST CONTINUOUSLY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO GET A JOB OR BE ABLE TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF JAIL. SO I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN MOVING THAT AS WE CONTINUE JUST TO REMEMBER R5, A R5 B ZONING DISTRICTS ARE CLOSER AND SIMILAR IN LIMITATIONS TO WHAT AN R4 IS. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS SUCH AND LIMIT THE TRANSITIONAL HOMES OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TO THE THREE BED LIMIT IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. SURE, THESE QUESTIONS KIND OF PERTAIN TO BOTH OF THE PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. AND I WAS WONDERING, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS. ONE IS KIND OF AN A AND A B. THE FIRST ONE, WHAT IS THE CURRENT NUMBER OF TRANSITIONAL UNITS THAT WE HAVE IN LOUISVILLE? AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS KIND OF BROKEN INTO THREE THINGS IS OR AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO YOU CAN HAVE A HOUSE, YOU CAN HAVE A BEDROOM AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE BEDS WITHIN THAT. AND SO IS DATA BROKEN DOWN ON THAT LEVEL. SO I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER FOR THE COUNTY WITH ME. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO GETTING YOU BY THE NEXT MEETING. WE DO REQUIRE AN ANNUAL LICENSE FOR EACH AND EVERY LEGAL TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. THERE IS A NUMBER THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE LICENSES THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LICENSED FACILITIES SO THAT I THINK, IS THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. THE SECOND PART, WITH EACH OF THOSE, [02:00:03] THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. TRANSITIONAL HOUSING CAN TAKE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS. AND SERVE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF POPULATIONS. THE LARGEST WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS RECOVERY HOUSING. BUT THAT IS NOT THE ONLY TYPE OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. THERE'S TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR PEOPLE COMING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THEY NEED TEMPORARY HOUSING BEFORE THEY FIND A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION. SO WHEN THEY APPLY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE US A MANAGEMENT PLAN TO KIND OF BREAKS DOWN. SOME DO SHARED BEDROOMS WHERE YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NUMBER OF BEDS IN EACH ROOM. SOME ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE ENTIRE BEDROOM. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT FORMATS THERE. THAT'S WHY THE DENSITY IS JUST BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDS. AND HOWEVER THEY DECIDE TO SITUATE THOSE WITHIN THE HOUSE IS UP TO THEIR OPERATIONS. AND THEY'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN THEIR MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT LICENSE. AND JUST THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT WHEN WE WENT BACK AND REVISITED THIS ORDINANCE IN 2020 AND 2021. BUT HOW THAT WORKS IN SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S THREE BEDS OR LESS BY RIGHT. IF YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT, AND THE BUILDING CODE WOULD ALLOW IT IN THAT PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU NEED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IN ADDITION TO THAT ANNUAL LICENSE. IF YOU'RE MULTIFAMILY, THE CALCULATION IS MORE OF A FORMULA WHERE YOU TAKE THEIR ZONING EVERY ZONING HAS A MAXIMUM DENSITY. YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THEIR ACREAGE AND YOU MULTIPLY IT BY APPROXIMATELY THREE, WHICH REPRESENTS THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE OF LOUISVILLE METRO. AND THAT'S YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDS FOR THAT PROPERTY. AND THE ISSUE WE'RE SEEING IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU CAN HAVE ON A PROPERTY IS MORE RELATED TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY THAN THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. OTHER FEATURES ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BE A BETTER FIT FOR R5 AND R5. B WHERE, AS COUNCILMAN BEAUCHAMP EXPLAINED, THAT'S NOT REALLY A TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY ZONING CATEGORY, ALTHOUGH IT IS GROUPED IN WITH THEM IN THIS ORDINANCE. SO DID I ANSWER? I CAN GET THE FIRST ANSWER. I DID NOT ANSWER THAT ONE, BUT I HOPE I GAVE YOU AN ANSWER TO YOUR SECOND PART. SURE, I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT DATA. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TRYING TO TAKE A SWORD TO AN IMAGINARY DRAGON. KIND OF. ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALSO NOT A DEFINITIVE NUMBER, SINCE IT'S IN IN ANTICIPATION. BUT FROM AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE RESOLUTION ASKING YOU ALL TO LOOK INTO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, BUT I THINK THAT IT KIND OF TIES IN WITH NOT ONLY THE MORATORIUM, BUT THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW FROM NOW TO APRIL, HOW MANY TRANSITIONAL HOUSING UNITS WOULD THE OFFICE OF PLANNING ANTICIPATE IN RECEIVING? IS THERE LIKE AN AVERAGE NUMBER THAT YOU ALL RECEIVE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME? TO GIVE US A PERSPECTIVE ON THE NUMBER ONE, THE ONLY NUMBER I CAN GIVE YOU RIGHT NOW IS SO WE HAVE ABOUT 20 CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR TRANSITIONAL HOMES THAT HAVE CLEARED THE PRE-APPLICATION PHASE THAT WE THAT ARE THAT HAVE NOT YET FILED THEIR FORMAL APPLICATION. SO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ANTICIPATE SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT YEAR, THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON LIKE WHAT IS AGAIN, WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND SO WE'RE WAITING ON THE ON THE FORMAL APPLICATION. THAT COULD HAPPEN ANY TIME WITHIN A YEAR OF THAT PRE-APPLICATION BEING COMPLETED. SO IT'S THAT THAT NUMBER IS KIND OF HARD TO GUESS. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT AT LEAST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF LIKE HOW MANY FORMAL APPLICATIONS WE'RE KIND OF ANTICIPATING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS BASED ON THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S HOW MANY POTENTIAL IONS YOU HAVE IN YOUR FIRE. OH, WELL THAT'S TRUE. SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE MAY BE IN R5 OR R5, A OR R5 B, THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAD KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ILLEGAL TRANSITIONAL HOUSES. I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, OR AT LEAST THE MODEL BEHIND THEM. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED, I THINK, A LICENSE AND OF COURSE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT PREVENTS SOMEONE FROM HAVING AN ILLEGAL TRANSITIONAL HOUSE. AND IS THAT LICENSE SOMETHING THAT OPENS UP GRANT FUNDING OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE LICENSE GUARANTEE YOU? IF I'M ACCEPTING PEOPLE IN A RECOVERY STATE OR THAT ARE RECENTLY OR RECENTLY COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, AN IN PRISON SITUATION, DO I HAVE TO PROVE THAT I HAVE A LICENSE TRANSITIONAL HOME FOR THEM TO GO TO AND WHO OVERSEES THAT? SO THE OFFICE OF CODES AND REGULATIONS OVERSEES THE LICENSING PROCESS, [02:05:04] AND IT'S RELATIVELY NEW. I BELIEVE IT WAS ADDED IN 2016 TO METRO CODE, AND IT WAS ADDED BY COUNCIL TO TRACK THE NUMBER OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSES AND ALLOW FOR METRO STAFF TO BASICALLY REVISIT THEM EACH YEAR. SO WHEN YOU REAPPLY, IT'S AN ANNUAL LICENSE AND YOU WOULD BE REVIEWED BY MULTIPLE AGENCIES, NOT JUST PLANNERS AND THE OFFICE OF PLANNING, BUT FOLKS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND IN CODES AND REGS IN SOME CASES, FIRE INSPECTORS. AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND INSPECT EACH YEAR AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING UNDER THE AGREED UPON TERMS WHEN IT WAS ISSUED. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN INTENT OF THAT. IT WASN'T TO UNLOCK ANY GRANT FUNDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS MORE TO MANAGE AND TRACK THEM AT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY LEVEL. SO THAT IS GENERALLY THE INTENT OF IT. SO IN A SENSE, I CAN STILL OPERATE A TRANSITIONAL HOME OUT OF MY HOUSE JUST NOT TELL YOU IF YOU WERE OPERATING. IT IS A TYPE OF VIOLATION. THAT IS ONE OF BUT BEFORE, WHEN IT WAS UNDER THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE HAD A HUNDRED OR SO CASES OF GROUP HOUSING THAT WAS UNLICENSED AND UNLAWFUL, THAT WE WERE INVESTIGATING. SO IF YOU WERE TO DO IT IN OPERATING WITHOUT THAT LICENSE, YOU COULD BE SUBJECT TO CITATIONS AND FINES UNDER THAT ORDINANCE. IF ONLY DIRECTOR PRICE WAS STILL WITH US IN CHAMBERS TO KIND OF TOUCH ON THESE THINGS. THANK YOU. CAN I TOUCH ON THAT FOR A SECOND? TO YOUR POINT THERE WITH DIRECTOR PRICE, HE'S BEEN IN THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PHIL CROWE MANY A TIMES AND ARE WELL AWARE OF WHERE THEY ARE WITH THIS AND WANT TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AND HOW THEY ARE TO NAVIGATE THIS, THIS, THESE UNCHARTED TERRITORIES AND, AND WATERS WITH, WITH THE ILLEGAL HOUSING ON THAT SENSE AND THE ANNUAL PROPER FOLKS DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ESTABLISH THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OUT OF BUSINESS. WE ARE HERE TO PAUSE THE PERMIT PROCESS TO GET THE REVIEW ON THE PLANNING STAFF. SO WE CAN DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY. SO WE HAVE LESS BAD ACTORS IN THE FIELD AND WE HAVE A BETTER STREAMLINED WAY OF MAKING THINGS MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE PERSON LIVING IN THESE HOMES. AND THE CITY AT LARGE TO, TO ENFORCE AND HOLD ACCOUNTABILITY. SURE. AND I'M THINKING OF SOME THAT ARE JUST IN DISTRICT 15. AND IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SAY, HEY, THEY'RE RUNNING A TRANSITIONAL HOUSE OUT OF HERE. WHO ARE THE PEOPLE? THEY'RE OFTEN TRANSIENT. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE LIVING THERE? THEY'RE STAYING THERE FOR A NIGHT. THEY'RE STAYING THERE FOR A WEEKEND. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO PINPOINT WHAT'S A TRANSITIONAL HOUSE AND THEN ALSO TO PURSUE THAT. NOT ONLY ADMINISTRATIVELY BUT LEGALLY AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THIS WOULD PREVENT THAT. OR AT LEAST BRING MORE VALIDITY TO THE NEED FOR A LICENSE. AND THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERNS. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE ANSWERED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE INTO THE UNIVERSE. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE. I GOT THIS, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU. COUNCILMAN VACHON. BUT I DID WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT BEFORE THIS PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE. THAT HAS SOME MODEL LEGISLATION WHERE THAT COMES FROM, KENTUCKY, WHERE THIS HAS BEEN DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY. I DO SUPPORT REGULATION AND MONITORING. THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. A MORATORIUM RIGHT NOW, WHEN OUR WEATHER IS ABOUT TO TURN, IT'S WORSE. IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE MORATORIUM. OKAY, OKAY. WELL, OKAY. FOR THE ORDINANCE, I SENT A COPY OF A MORE PEOPLE CENTERED ORDINANCE. AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I'M LATE FOR A PRESENTATION. BUT KENTUCKY HAS A GOVERNING ORGANIZATION THAT IS CALLED KENTUCKY ASSOCIATION FOR RECOVERY RESIDENCES. AND LOUISVILLE METRO COULD ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT FOLLOWS THE STATE LAW, WHICH WILL HELP WEED OUT THE BAD ACTORS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHANNON IS TALKING ABOUT. THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE FOR RECOVERY RESIDENCES HAS CREATED AND ESTABLISHED A MECHANISM FOR CERTIFYING RECOVERY RESIDENCES IN EVERY WAY THAT ENSURES ETHICAL PRACTICES AND STABILITY FOR RESIDENTS. AND KENTUCKY HAS ESTABLISHED THE STATE LAW IN 2023, AND THIS LAW SUPPORT LOCAL CITIES TO ENFORCE THE STANDARDS THAT IS RECOGNIZED BY THIS NATIONAL ASSOCIATION. SO LOUISVILLE HAS RIGHT NOW 41 HOUSES CERTIFIED AND 59 ARE IN PROCESS CERTIFICATION CANNOT [02:10:06] BEGIN UNTIL RESIDENCES ARE OPERATING TO DEMONSTRATE SOCIAL MODEL OF RECOVERY. PLEASE REVIEW THE ORDINANCE THAT I SENT AND WE SHOULD DISCUSS MEETING WITH THE GOVERNING BODY OF THESE RECOVERY RESIDENCES AND BEFORE TAKING ANY ACTION. BECAUSE EVEN WITH JUST THE ORDINANCE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE LEFT OUT. WE ARE THE GATEWAY TO THE SOUTH. PEOPLE HAVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, HUNDREDS OF YEARS SENT THEIR PEOPLE TO GO LIVE WITH FAMILY MEMBERS WHILE THEY RECOVER. AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD OR NO DISTRICT IN OUR CITY IS WITHOUT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, SUBSTANCE USE ISSUES, AND PEOPLE DEALING WITH INCARCERATION. SO THIS IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE. I WOULD ASK THAT WE GIVE THE PROPER TIME TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED FROM MY COLLEAGUES, AND ALSO BE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO THIS WORK AND CAN HELP MAKE THIS BETTER. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT HELPS REGULATE AND HELPS GOVERN, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN PROCESS, WHO HAVE BEEN DOING IT RIGHT. AND THIS DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE BAD ACTORS IN A WAY THAT WE CAN DO. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE. THANK YOU. JUST SO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW IS THE DENSITY OF THE HOUSING IN THOSE TWO CATEGORIES OF R5, A AND R5 B, NOTHING ELSE. IT'S JUST COMPARISON TO JOE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. COMPARISON TO WHAT IS ALLOWED IN OUR OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS VERSUS WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR R5 A AND R5 , I DIDN'T PREPARE THE RESOLUTION. I BELIEVE TRAVIS DID, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW IT'S WRITTEN IS ONLY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, NOT THE BROADER ISSUE OF YEAH, IT'S TWO OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS TO. OUR THANK YOU. WE'RE JUST WE'RE REALLY ASKING WE'RE ASKING THEM TO REVIEW THIS THIS WE'RE NOT PASSING LEGISLATION HERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S OUR COLLEAGUE JUST TO SEE WHAT BEST PRACTICE IS. RIGHT. WHAT WE DO WITH WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE ON OTHER PIECES OF LEGISLATION INSIDE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE BEEN TOO HIGH OF A DENSITY FOR THAT CATEGORY, BUT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE FORMULA USED ON THERE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE ALLOW IN FOR CERTAIN DENSITY. COUNCIL MEMBER BACHON THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COUNCILWOMAN WRIGHT, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, BUT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. LET'S JUST STAY FOCUSED HERE, LADIES. AND GENTLEMEN, ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT CHAIRWOMAN SAID HERE A MINUTE AGO. WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSED ON R5, A R5 B ZONING DISTRICTS AND DOING A REVIEW ON TRANSITIONAL HOUSING HERE. SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY FOCUSED. WE STAY NARROW TO WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND WE CORRECT IT MOVING FORWARD AND ACCORDINGLY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO I GUESS THE PROPER WAY IS TO JUST MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON THIS. WE COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. YEAH. PLEASE FEEL FREE. THANK YOU. AND NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE LEGISLATION BECAUSE I WILL BE VOTING YES FOR IT. BUT WE OFTEN ASK YOUR OFFICE TO REVIEW CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S NOW OR LATER. COULD YOU GET US A LIST TO REMIND US OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE REVIEWING RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE WE ALSO NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT SIX MONTHS THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON YOU, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK OTHERWISE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLOADING YOU. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS OVERLOADING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE DISMISSIVE OF THIS LEGISLATION. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MINDFUL OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. YEAH, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, COULD YOU ALSO, JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION, FIND OUT WHAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE PIPELINE. NOW THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED R5 A AND R5 B. ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I KNOW I'M ON MY WAY OUT THE DOOR, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW THAT. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. OKAY. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. AYE, THOSE OPPOSED BY, LIKE, SIGN. HEARING NONE. THE RESOLUTION PASSES AND IT WILL GO TO OLD. EXCUSE ME TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR AT OUR NEXT MEETING. WE GO AHEAD. SORRY, SORRY. WE'RE GETTING ON FIVE. AFTER INTO THE NEXT MEETING, I'M ON THE NEXT COMMITTEE TOO. I NEED ABOUT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE I'M READY FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE. SO. OH, WE ARE, WE ARE VOTED. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO WE DISCUSSED. OKAY. THAT'S COOL. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AN [7. O-255-24     AN ORDINANCE IMPOSING A TEMPORARY, PARTIAL MORATORIUM ON TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN THE R-5A AND R-5B ZONING DISTRICTS. Action Required By:  May 7, 2024 Sponsors: Khalil Batshon (R-25), Donna Purvis (D-5)] ORDINANCE IMPOSING A TEMPORARY PARTIAL MORATORIUM ON TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN R5 A AND R5 B ZONING DISTRICTS. MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR [02:15:06] DISCUSSION. LET THE SYSTEM. LET'S SEE. OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I AM TRYING TO STAY ON TOPIC. I'M ALSO LATE, MADAM CHAIR, TO SOME A PRESENTATION I HAVE TO GIVE ABOUT RED STATES. BUT I DO WANT TO JUST BE CLEAR THAT SEVERAL RECOVERY GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING MEANINGFUL WORK ACROSS OUR COUNTY AND OUR STATE AND OUR CITY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE AN ADVOCATE. I DO THIS WORK BOTH PROFESSIONALLY, BUT BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH A BUNCH OF DIRECTLY IMPACTED PEOPLE, AND I SAW WHERE THE TWO WAS RELATED. SO APOLOGIES IF I SPOKE TOO SOON, BUT I WANT TO RESTATE WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT WE ARE ENTERING IN ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS WEATHER PERIODS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE UNHOUSED, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING HOUSING, YOU HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT OF SOME SORT OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING LOOKING TO FOR THE NEXT STEP, WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS MORATORIUM, BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORST TIME FOR FOLKS TO BE OUT ON THE STREETS AS IT CONTINUES TO GROW. MY CONCERN IS EVERYTHING MUST GO THROUGH ITS PROPER PROCESSES. I AGREE WITH THE REGULATION THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT PASSED THROUGH OUR STATE. KENTUCKY HAS GOVERNING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK THAT WE SHOULD BE CHECKING IN WITH BEFORE WE CAUSE MORE HARM THAN THAN THE GOOD. THE GOOD IS TO FIND THE BAD ACTORS. THIS MORATORIUM DOES NOT DO THAT. THIS MORATORIUM PAUSES A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN FORMALLY, NATIONALLY, STATEWIDE AND LOCALLY RECOGNIZED. AND THIS HAS BEEN INTRODUCED TO OUR LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT BEFORE. BUT IT WASN'T ADOPTED. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MORATORIUM IS GOING TO GET US THERE IN A GOOD WAY. AND I KNOW YOU ALL GET TIRED OF ME TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS THE REALITY THAT I SEE ON THE GROUND EVERY DAY, NOT JUST IN MY DISTRICT, BUT IN MANY OF YOUR DISTRICTS. SO LOUISVILLE HAS 41 HOUSES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CERTIFIED AND 59 ARE IN PROCESS. THEY HAVE THEY'RE GOING THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS, AND IT CANNOT BE DONE UNTIL THE RESIDENCES ARE OPERATING. DOES THIS MORATORIUM STOP THAT PROCESS OR WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE QUEUE? AND IS IT PREPARED TO DEAL WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE? AND HOW WILL YOU DO THAT IF YOU JUST ENFORCE A MONETARY WITHOUT HAVING A BUNCH OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, THEN IT WILL CAUSE MORE HURT THAN HELP AND YOU WILL ALL WILL START TO SEE MORE UNHOUSED PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICTS AND IN THE STREETS, BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE GETTING PEOPLE THE HOUSING THAT THEY NEED. THE METRO GOVERNMENT HAS JUST RELEASED THAT IT WILL GIVE $2,000 FOR PEOPLE WHO RENT TO THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS GREAT, AND THAT IS A GREAT START. I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE LEGISLATION THAT I EMAILED TO YOU ALL. I JUST GOT THE REST OF THAT INFORMATION. I'M WORKING WITH TARA HYDE, WITH PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR RECOVERY, A SLEW OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN IN, COMMUNICATION WITH AND WORKING WITH FOR YEARS. IF YOU ALL BRING THEM TO THE TABLE, WE CAN WORK THIS OUT TOGETHER. A MORATORIUM IS NOT THE ANSWER AT THIS MOMENT. AND I THINK IT'S VERY RASH, AND IT DOES NOT GET TO THE BAD ACTORS THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING AND WHAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN METRO GOVERNMENT WILL MAKE A BETTER DIFFERENCE. AND IT CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENT CHOICE. IT IS NOT JUST MY VOICE. I'M JUST HERE REPRESENTING THE RECOVERY COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS FOLKS DID NOT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE FOR THIS AND I AM WILLING, MORE THAN WILLING, TO MEET WITH COUNCILMAN VACHON TO GO OVER THIS AND TO GO OVER WHAT CAN BE MORE FEASIBLE. I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER HOLDING THE MORATORIUM, HOLDING THIS PART OF THIS LEGISLATION, AND GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VACHON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, EVERYBODY, WE'RE WE'RE IMPOSING A MORATORIUM. A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, EVERYBODY A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON THE PERMITS FOR R5, A AND R5 B TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. WHILE THE PLANNING STAFF REVIEWS THE RESOLUTION THAT WE JUST PASSED IN THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION. I ENCOURAGE UR SUPPORT. I'VE GOT A COUPLE COLLEAGUES A COPOOR ON THIS. THIS IS I'VE HAD A DEEP, EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION WITH WITH NATALIE HARRIS, WITH THE HOMELESS COALITION OF THE HOMELESS. WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE UNDERSTAND THE GOAL HERE. AND WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD AND MOVE THIS CITY IN A IN A BETTER DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE WE, WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE RECOVERY HOMES AND THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO EITHER HAVE TO VOTE OR TABLE IT, BECAUSE WE'RE COMING UP PAST OUR TIME. SO LET'S VOTE. OPEN THE VOTING, PLEASE. [02:20:13] THE VOTE IS CLOSING. THERE ARE SIX YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE. SO THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE TIME. FOR TODAY. SO UNTIL OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. THANK YOU. WE SHALL STAND ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.