[00:04:06] GET THE. SO WE'LL BEGIN IN APPROXIMATELY 60S. [Call to Order] [00:05:28] GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. I'M COUNCILWOMAN MADONNA FLOOD, [Roll Call] CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED BY MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN SCOTT REED, BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN BEN WEBER. OH, EXCUSE ME, HE HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. AND PHILIP BAKER. PHILIP BAKER HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. WE'RE JOINED BY COUNCILMAN ANDREW OWEN. COUNCILMAN ROBIN ENGEL AND COUNCILMAN KHALIL BATSHON. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A. ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA WILL BE HELD UNTIL THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 8713 THIRD STREET ROAD AND PARCEL NUMBER, PARCEL. ID [1. O-221-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 8713 THIRD STREET ROAD AND PARCEL ID 104909270000 CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24ZONE0032). 10/15/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Held Action Required By:  December 19, 2024 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] 104909270000, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES AND BEING IN THE LOUISVILLE METRO. CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE 0032. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. JULIA WILLIAMS, OFFICE OF PLANNING. THIS IS CASE NUMBER 24 00032. THE THIRD STREET ROAD RETAIL. THIS IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 25. THE EXISTING USE IS RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S PROPOSED FOR COMMERCI. IT'S EXISTING R4 PROPOSED FOR C1. YOU CAN SEE IT'S ADJACENT TO SOME EXISTING C1. THE REQUEST WAS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO C1 COMMERCIAL. THERE WERE ALSO WAIVERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CASE AND A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THESE ARE TWO UNDEVELOPED PARCELS. THE PROPOSAL WAS A 22,800 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING WITH POTENTIAL FOR SOME DRIVE THRU RESTAURANTS. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE ELEVATIONS. SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY VACANT. SOME ADJACENT PROPERTY. THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL OR THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL AND ACROSS THE UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE EAST. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON JANUARY 16TH OF 2024. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION MEETING, WAS HELD ON AUGUST 22ND, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024. THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO C1, AND IT WAS PASSED BY A VOTE OF 9 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN SEAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THAT. I APPRECIATE IT AS TRAVIS AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING. WE'RE TRYING. MY THING IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF DEVELOPMENT AND UPCOMING DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR DISTRICT. MY REQUEST IS TO SEE A BINDING ELEMENT IN THIS FOR NO LIQUOR STORES. AS WE HAVE CREATED A NEW COUNTYWIDE DISTRICT WIDE INITIATIVE AND MY DISTRICT IS WE ALL AS A COUNCIL, AS A BODY, I THINK WE'VE SEEN AN ABUNDANCE OF LIQUOR STORES POPPING UP IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS. THERE'S ALREADY ONE, A COUPLE DOORS DOWN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR CONTINUING SUPPORT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AS EVERY ZONING CASE THAT COMES THROUGH OUR DISTRICT, WE HEAR FROM NOT JUST THIS SPECIFIC ONE, BUT OTHER ZONING CASES IN OUR DISTRICT. WE DON'T WANT MORE LIQUOR STORES. WE DON'T WANT MORE SMOKE SHOPS. MORE VAPE SHOPS. ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR A BINDING ELEMENT OF THAT TO BE IN THIS. AS WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS IN DISTRICT 25. WE WANT TO SEE DIVERSE MIXED DEVELOPMENT USE AND DIVERSE BUSINESS USE. THAT IS, IT'S BENEFICIAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. MORE RESTAURANTS, MORE COFFEE SHOPS, MORE THINGS THAT ARE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY. AS AN ABUNDANCE OF LIQUOR STORES WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF EACH OTHER HAVE SHOWN STATISTICALLY NATIONWIDE. JULIA, CAN YOU BRING THE MAP BACK UP OF THE LOCATION AGAIN, PLEASE? I JUST WANTED TO SEE [00:10:03] SOMETHING REALLY QUICK. IS THIS ONE OKAY? MADAM CHAIR, CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? GO AHEAD. NOT TO MENTION THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ADJOINING THE NEW PARK THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING IN THE DISTRICT. AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO HIGHLIGHT THE PARK AND THE GREAT THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT COMING TO THE DISTRIC. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS WAS THE PARK. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WOULD IT BE OKAY, TRAVIS, TO ADD OUR STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT JUST SO THAT WE DON'T FORGET ALONG THE WAY THAT I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THAT? OR WOULD YOU RATHER US WAIT? BECAUSE I'M. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOU. SO IF WE DO REACH AGREEMENT ON A USE RESTRICTION HERE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SORT OF ANOTHER LEVEL OF AMENDMENT AND UNDERLINE. SO JUST FROM A CLERK'S, YOU KNOW, THE BOOKKEEPING PERSPECTIVE, IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO HOLD ON. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE IT TODAY WE COULD. OH THAT'S FINE THEN WE'LL JUST WAIT AND EDIT IT. YES, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I PUT A NOTE ON TOP OF THIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT. DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE? I DIDN'T SEE SPEAKER AND NOW COUNCILMAN OWEN. YES. JUST A I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THE WAIVERS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY THE WAIVERS WERE REQUIRED HERE? I DIDN'T REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. SURE. LET ME PULL BACK THAT THAT SLIDE WITH THE REQUESTS. SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE WAIVERS, THIS THIS SITE IS ADJACENT TO A RAILROAD. SO IT WAS ASKING TO KIND OF LESSEN THE BUFFER. NEXT TO THAT RAILROAD BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL. SO THERE'S JUST A BUFFER REQUIRED. AND THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE IT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE LAND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE RAILROAD IS OWNED BY METROPOLITAN SEWER DISTRICT. SO IT THEY FELT LIKE IT HAD LESS OF AN IMPACT ON AN ADJACENT PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT WAS WELL ZONED RESIDENTIAL WAS OWNED BY MSD AND THE OTHER ONE WAS FOR. AN OVERLAP OF AN EASEMENT WITH THE VEHICLE USE AREA, LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA. AND LET ME LOOK WHERE THAT WAS. SIGHT LINE PURPOSES PERHAPS. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF EASEMENTS ALONG THIRD STREET ROAD AND THEY'RE THE EASEMENTS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEY'RE NOT LOCATED NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY'RE LOCATED MORE INTO THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM KIND OF OCCUPYING THAT WHOLE ENTIRE BUFFER WITHOUT AN OVERLAP. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ROY, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHARE YOUR VIDEO? TURN YOUR CAMERA ON, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE FROM COUNCILMAN SEAN. MOTION TO TABLE, PLEASE. PROPERLY. SECOND. PROBABLY MOVED IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. THOSE OPPOSED BY, LIKE SIGN. SEEING NONE, IT WILL BE TABLED UNTIL OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS AN [2. O-232-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1026 DIXIE HIGHWAY CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.6549 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 23ZONE0085). Action Required By:  December 19, 2024 **Council Member Jecorey Arthur (I-4) can vote on this zoning change** Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1026 DIXIE HIGHWAY, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.6549 ACRES AND BEING THE LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 23, ZONE 0085. MOTION TO APPROVE PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND AND I FAIL TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN ARTHUR HAS BEEN HERE THE ENTIRE TIME. HE HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT PIECES OF LEGISLATION ON HERE, AS DOES COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. GO AHEAD. JULIA. I'M SORRY. JULIA WILLIAMS, OFFICE OF PLANNING, THIS IS 23, ZONE 0085 FOR CONLEY. MARY MORTUARY. SO THIS IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT FOUR. THE EXISTING USE IS [00:15:06] INSTITUTIONAL, AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COMMERCIAL. THE EXISTING ZONING IS R7, AND THE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR. AND THE PROPOSALS FOR C2. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R7 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO C2 COMMERCIAL. THERE WERE VARIANCES. THERE WAS A VARIANCE IN WAIVER ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE, AS WELL AS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE THERE'S ONE PARCEL CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH AN INSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSAL IS TO REUSE THAT, REUSE THAT STRUCTURE FOR FUNERAL HOME AND A TRAINING CENTER FOR FUTURE MORTUARY WORKERS. THERE'S NO EXTERNAL CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN. PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THERE'S NON RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN NON RESIDENTIAL ACROSS DIXIE HIGHWAY. BUT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THE SITE TO THE WEST. THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON APRIL 3RD 2023. LDA WAS HELD ON AUGUST 22ND, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD, 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF 10 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. I'M GOING TO CALL ON COUNCILMAN JECOREY ARTHUR BECAUSE IT'S IN HIS DISTRICT. AND THEN AFTER HE FINISHES, WE'LL ADD THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT THAT HE REQUESTED EARLIER. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. THANK YOU. NO CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I JUST WANT TO BRING UP THE STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT THE CHAIRWOMAN USES TO APPRECIATE THAT BEING READ INTO THE RECORD. GO AHEAD. TRAVIS. TRAVIS FEASTER, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER BINDING. ELEMENT NUMBER EIGHT. AND THAT WILL READ AS FOLLOWS. ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES E.G. INCREASE IN BUILDING HEIGHT, NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY. ANY CHANGES IN USE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR SUBCOMMITTEE THEREOF, AND OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS. OTHER THAN I. THE ADDITION OF NEW BINDING ELEMENTS TO I CHANGES TO BINDING ELEMENTS THAT MERELY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE, OR THREE. I UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WITH FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINED BY METRO COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT BINDING ELEMENT SECOND. PROBABLY MOVED AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE BINDING ELEMENT. SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN. HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES. WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ON SOMETHING. THIS COUNCIL AND WHAT WE HAVE TO. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, HE GETS TO VOTE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. ARTHUR. YES. THANK YOU. SIX. YES. WITHOUT OBJECTION. VOTING IS CLOSED. THERE ARE SIX YES VOTES, AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS GOING TO BE HELD. SO WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE CLOSURE OF A PORTION OF SOUTH 13TH STREET AND AN ASSOCIATED UNNAMED ALLEY BETWEEN WEST OAK STREET AND WEST ORMSBY AVENUE, AND BETWEEN WEST ORMSBY AVENUE AND SAINT LOUIS AVENUE, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 2.230 ACRES AND BEING LOUISVILLE METRO CASE [4. O-231-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE CLOSURE OF A PORTION OF S 13TH ST AND ASSOCIATED UNNAMED ALLEY BETWEEN W OAK ST AND W ORMSBY AVE AND BETWEEN W ORMSBY AVE AND ST LOUIS AVE CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 2.230 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 21STRCLOSURE0011). Action Required By:  April 24, 2025 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] NUMBER 21. STREET CLOSURE 0011. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION AGAIN. JULIA WILLIAMS, OFFICE OF PLANNING. THIS IS 21 STREET CLOSURE. 11 CLARION SOUTH 13TH STREET. CLOSURE. IT'S LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT. SIX. THE REQUEST IS A CLOSURE OF A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO THE SUMMARY IS THAT THIS IS A CLOSURE OF A PORTION OF SOUTH 13TH STREET AND AN UNNAMED ALLEY. THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT FOR THE CHURCH AT ONE TWO, TWO SIX WEST OAK STREET. AND THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING A GATED EMERGENCY ACCESS PROPOSED FOR THE CLOSURE AREA. SO ELGIN, LOUISVILLE WATER MSD AND AT&T WILL REQUIRE EASEMENTS OR EQUIPMENT RELOCATION. AND THEN THE LOUISVILLE FIRE APPROVES WITH A KNOCK BOX EMERGENCY GATE [00:20:01] ACCESS TO BE PROVIDED. SO THIS IS THE AREA OF CLOSURE. AND THEN IN THIS AREA AS A THE CURSOR IS OVER IS THE AREA OF THE UNNAMED ALLEY ON AN AERIAL VIEW OF THAT. AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S PLAN. AND THEN THESE ARE SITE PHOTOS SHOWING THE STREET TO BE CLOSED. AND THE SECOND HALF OF THAT. AND SO THESE ARE THE ADJACENT SITES. ALL OF THIS AREA IS PRETTY MUCH OWNED BY ONE COMPANY. THERE IS A AS YOU SAW IN ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY PHOTOS. THERE'S A CHURCH ADJACENT TO THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE AGAIN SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES. SO LDA HELD ITS MEETING ON AUGUST EIGHTH, 2024, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD, 2024. AND THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CLOSURE BY A VOTE OF 10 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE. THIS IS IN COUNCILMAN BAKER'S DISTRICT. HE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. BUT SINCE IT'S A ROAD CLOSURE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PASS OUT ANY OF THE ROAD CLOSURES BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRETTY HEFTY AGENDA COMING OVER. WE HAVE THE LAST MINUTE DECEMBER THING SOMETIME, SO DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD ANYTHING IN HERE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. SO WE'RE READY TO VOTE. CHERYL. COUNCILMEMBER OWEN. YES. VOTING IS CLOSED AND YOU'VE GOT FIVE. YES VOTES. THANK YOU. CHERYL. WITH THAT, THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS. OR IT CAN GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATING [5. O-233-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6803 BEULAH CHURCH ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24DDP0054). Action Required By:  April 24, 2025 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] TO THE DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6803 BEULAH CHURCH ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES AND BEING THE LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 24, DDP 0054. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS 20 FOR DDP, 50 FOR THE BEULAH CROSSINGS TRACT NUMBER TWO. IT'S LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 23. THE EXISTING LAND USE IS VACANT. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR COMMERCIAL. THIS IS EXISTING C1 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FORM DISTRICT. IT'S ONE OF THE OUTLOTS FOR THIS GROCERY STORE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PROPOSED ON THE SITE. THE REQUEST IS A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH BINDING ELEMENTS. THERE'S A PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT. THERE'S. THIS IS LOCATED AT BEULAH CHURCH. IT'S IN SNYDER FREEWAY, AND IT'S RELATED TO THE ZONING CASE 23 00030. SO THIS WAS THE APPROVED PLAN. SO PART OF THIS PLAN WAS A GENERAL PLAN. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP LOT THIS TRACT RIGHT HERE, 1.29 ACRES. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE SITE. PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD, 2024. THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 10 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? REFLECT THAT. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL AND I HEARD FROM COUNCILMAN HUDSON'S OFFICE THIS MORNING. HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. AND AFTER DISCUSSION WITH TRAVIS FEASTER, THE OUR STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT IS ON THE ON THE GENERAL PLAN. SO THERE'S NO NEED TO ADD IT TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE READY TO VOT. OKAY SO. COUNCIL MEMBER OWEN. JUST IS NOT ON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CHAPPELL. HASN'T POPPED [00:25:09] UP YET FOR ME, BUT I'LL BE A PRESENT JUST BECAUSE I MISSED THE CONVERSATION. CHAIR FLOOD, YOU HAVE FIVE YES VOTES AND ONE PRESENT. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX IS AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE CLOSURE OF A TRIANGULAR PORTION OF BONAIRE AVENUE. RIGHT OF WAY. APPROXIMATELY 95.6FT IN LENGTH [6. O-235-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE CLOSURE OF A TRIANGULAR PORTION OF THE BON AIR AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY APPROXIMATELY 95.6 FEET IN LENGTH WITH A VARIABLE WIDTH BETWEEN 2 FEET AND 15.01 FEET CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 808 SQUARE FEET AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24STRCLOSURE0025). Action Required By:  April 24, 2025 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ] AND A VARIABLE WIDTH BETWEEN TWO FEET AND 15.01FT, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 808FT■!S AND BEINA LITTLE METRO. CASE NUMBER 24. STREET CLOSURE ZERO ZERO 25. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. THIS IS CASE NUMBER 24. STREET CLOSURE 0025 BONAIRE AVENUE. CLOSURE. THIS IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT. THE CLOSURE IS REQUEST FOR CLOSURE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S A TRIANGULAR PORTION OF BONAIRE AVENUE TOTALING 808FT■!S. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 95.6FT IN LENGTH WITH A VARIABLE WIDTH. IT'S NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHTON DRIVE AND BONAIRE AVENUE. IT'S ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH A MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT. THE PROPOSED CLOSURE WILL MAINTAIN PUBLIC FACILITIES ANY AGENCIES EITHER HAVE AGREED TO THE CLOSURE OR HAVE DECLINED TO COMMENT. SO THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. THE SLIVER IN RED IS THE CLOSURE THAT IS BEING REQUESTED AND THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SHOWING THE CLOSURE AREA. THE CLOSURE PLAT SHOWING AGAIN THAT TRIANGULAR PORTION OF THE SITE. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE. SO THE SLIVER RUNS ALONG SIMILAR TO WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS. SOME ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE AREA. AND AGAIN SITE PHOTO OF ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THEN HIGHLIGHTING THE AREA OF CLOSURE. LDA HAD ITS PUBLIC EXCUSE ME PUBLIC MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD, 2024, AND THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 10 TO 0. ARE THERE ANY QUESTION? I HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE, SO I BELIEVE THEN WE'RE READY TO VOTE. VOTING IS OPEN. VOTING IS CLOSING. YOU'VE GOT SIX YES VOTES. THANK YOU CHERYL. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. MOVING ON. CHAIR FLOOD, THAT COULD GO TO CONSENT IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M SORRY. YES. PLEASE SEND THAT TO CONSENT. I'M SORRY. WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IN JUST A FEW MOVES US TO ITEM [8. R-115-24     A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING RENAMING ZANE STREET TO SIMMONS STREET. Action Required By:  April 24, 2025 Sponsors: Phillip T. Baker (D-6) ] NUMBER EIGHT, A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING RENAMING SAINT STREET TO SIMMONS STREET. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED IN. SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. SO I THINK WE'RE JUST WAITING ON A RESOLUTION SO THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO THIS SO THAT THE COMMISSION CAN LOOK INTO IT. YEAH. PRETTY MUCH. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING ON THE RESOLUTION? YES, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. SORRY. JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AROUND THIS, WE INITIATE THE RESOLUTION. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT IT AND THEN COMES BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. CORRECT. SO STREET NAMES WOULD HAVE TO GO FOLLOW SOMEWHAT OF A SIMILAR PROCESS AS A STREET CLOSURE. ALTHOUGH YOU'RE NOT CLOSING ANY ROADS. BUT WE WOULD NEED PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE STREET NAME. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SINCE IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN. HEARING NONE. IT'LL GO TO OLD BUSINESS. NO. EXCUSE ME. CONSENT CALENDAR. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE [9. R-119-24     A RESOLUTION DIRECTING LANDMARKS COMMISSION STAFF TO BEGIN THE LANDMARKS REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE HISTORIC BRINLY-HARDY/CHESAPEAKE & OHIO FREIGHT TERMINAL/ LOUISVILLE SLUGGER FIELD LOCATED AT 401 EAST MAIN STREET. Action Required By:  April 24, 2025 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ] LANDMARKS COMMISSION STAFF TO BEGIN THE LANDMARKS REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE HISTORIC GRINDLEY, HARDY, CHESAPEAKE AND OHIO FREIGHT TERMINAL. LOUISVILLE SLUGGER FIELD, LOCATED AT 401 EAST MAIN STREET. SECOND PROPERTY AND SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. AND [00:30:07] AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RESOLUTION TO LANDMARK THE PROPERTIES MENTIONED. THE SEVERAL PROPERTIES MENTIONED THE LOUISVILLE SLUGGER FIELD. OHIO FREIGHT TERMINAL AND BRINLEY HARDY, CHESAPEAKE. DID YOU GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M PROUD TO SPONSOR THIS. I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STADIUM ITSELF OPENED IN THE EARLY 2000. I THINK THE SPRING OF 2000. SO IT'S ONLY ABOUT 25 YEARS OLD. THE BASEBALL TEAM, ABOUT 43 YEARS OLD, HAS GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS, FROM THE LOUISVILLE REDBIRDS TO THE RIVERBATS. NOW IT'S THE LOUISVILLE BATS, BUT THE GRAND ENTRANCE TO THE STADIUM, A FORMER LOCAL BUSINESS, A TRAIN SHED. IT HAS OVER 140 YEARS OF HISTORY, AND NOW THE STRUCTURE, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN USED TO OPEN THE STADIUM TO BUILD THE STADIUM. AND THE STADIUM HAS BEEN USED TO HELP BUILD DOWNTOWN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES. SO I THINK THIS HISTORY IS WORTH LEARNING, LASTING AND HOPEFULLY LANDMARKING AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. THANK YOU FOR THAT HISTORY. I THINK THAT'S REALLY NEAT. AND ANOTHER A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CAN BLEND OLD STRUCTURES WITH NEW STRUCTURES. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT'S WONDERFUL TO COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. BUT I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY SAVANNAH DA, THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH MY OFFICE ON OUR FIRST THREE RESOLUTIONS. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT WE WERE JUST ABLE TO LANDMARK MANUAL STADIUM ON THE ON THEIR 100TH BIRTHDAY ROUNDABOUT ON THE DAY, NOT THE YEAR. IT'S BEEN 100 YEARS FOR MANUAL STADIUM. ALSO, THE WHEELMEN'S BENCH AT WAYSIDE PARK AND IROQUOIS AMPHITHEATER. AND SO WE WERE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THOSE PASSED JUST THIS PAST MONTH AND GIVE OUT THOSE SEALS. AND I JUST REALLY CAN'T STRESS TO YOU HOW MUCH IT'S MEANT TO THE COMMUNITY. I WAS JUST AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST NIGHT AND SOMEBODY WAS SAYING, I HOPE THAT MORE COUNCIL PEOPLE DO THIS. AND WHILE I SAID, I HOPE SO TOO, I HOPE THAT THEY DO AFTER I FILE ALL OF MINE, BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTAINLY A LOT MORE TO GO. BUT I'M EXCITED TO SEE ANY PROPERTY BEING CONSIDERED FOR THIS DESIGNATION. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR DEALING WITH US COUNCIL FOLK AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE RESOLUTIONS. BUT WE REALLY ENJOY WORKING WITH YOU ALL. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THESE AREN'T LANDMARKED ALREADY. THAT REALLY COMES AS A SHOCK TO ME. SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD. THAT I WAS SURPRISED THAT THESE WEREN'T LANDMARKED ALREADY. AND THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE. THANK YOU. AND SEVERAL OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, THAT OUTSIDE OUTSIDE OF FORT BENNING, WHEN I WENT DOWN FOR OUR SON'S GRADUATION FROM AIRBORNE SCHOOL, WE STAYED AT THIS HOTEL, WHICH WAS SO NEAT. IT WAS THE MILLS SPRING MILLS HOTEL AND THE INSIDE ON THE OUTSIDE. IT LOOKED LIKE THE MODERN HOTEL. BUT WHEN YOU WENT INSIDE, THE WHOLE LOBBY WAS STRUCTURE AND FACADES FROM WHAT USED TO BE THERE. AND THERE WERE STONE MILLS ALONG THE ALONG THE PATHWAY INTO THE HOTEL. SO IT WAS KIND OF NEAT, JUST IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT ON THE OUTSIDE WHEN YOU EXCUSE ME ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT WHEN YOU WENT INSIDE, YOU KIND OF WERE TAKEN BACK TO THAT TIME WHEN IT EXISTED. IT WAS A VERY NEAT CONCEPT. IT'S OUTSIDE OF FORT BENNING. I THINK IT'S MARRIOTT AND IT'S REALLY IT WAS REALLY NEAT. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER SEEN THAT DONE WHERE THEY I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN FACADES AND PUT THEM ON THE, YOU KNOW, USE THE USE THAT OR USE THE FACADE ON THE OUTSIDE. BUT IT WAS JUST SUCH A NEAT CONCEPT TO SEE ALL OF THE OLD BRICK AND THINGS AND THE OLD WINDOWS REUSED ON THE INSIDE FOR THE LOBBY AREA. AND IT WAS LIKE THEY HAD THEIR RESTAURANT, THEIR PUB, AND BOUTIQUES AND THINGS, AND IT WAS ALL LIKE, YOU JUST WALKED INTO THE MILL. IT'S JUST A NEAT CONCEPT FOR ANYBODY OUT THERE DEVELOPING AND WANTING TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN. MAYBE YOU CONSIDER ADDING IT BACK ON THE INSIDE, BUT THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN. SEEING NONE THAT WILL GO TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DISPLACEMENT [7. R-108-24     A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT FORM AND RESULTS MATRIX. 10/15/24  Planning and Zoning Committee Held Action Required By:  April 10, 2025 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ] ASSESSMENT ASSESSMENT FORM AND RESULTS OF MATRIX. SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. IT IS OUR INTENT TO THAT AFTER WE FINISH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WILL TABLE THIS AND TAKE IT UP [00:35:05] AT ONE OF THE OUR NEXT MEETINGS. YEAH. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. THANK YOU. SO MUCH. SO ACTUALLY, LAST HALLOWEEN, THIS COMMITTEE APPROVED OUR ANTI DISPLACEMENT LAW TO HELP PREVENT GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED PROJECTS FROM DISPLACING PEOPLE. THE LAW DIRECTED THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO CONTRACT WITH AN ACADEMIC INSTITUTION, TO CREATE A TOOL TO MEASURE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE THAT TOOL CAN BE USED, THE METRO COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE OF IT. SO TODAY, AS YOU JUST HEARD, WE'LL GET INTRODUCED TO THE TOOL, GIVE FEEDBACK, ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN TABLE IT SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND KEEP WORKING ON IT AND HOPEFULLY APPROVE IT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO INTRODUCE THE TOOL. I'M VERY EXCITED TO VIRTUALLY WELCOME OUR ACADEMIC RESEARCH TEAM TO CITY HALL. THEY HAVE INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE IN HOUSING ISSUES, SO PLEASE ASK THEM AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU CAN SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON MAKING THIS TOOL THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, DID YOU KNOW WHAT HE WANTED TO GO FIRST ON THE TEAM TO DISCUSS OR. I'LL PASS THE MIC TO KENTON. GREAT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU ALL. VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING A SLIDESHOW TO START. AND THEN WE'RE GOING. KENTON, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? THANK YOU. KENTON CARD, POSTDOCTORAL RESEARCH ASSOCIATE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. THANK YOU. ANDRE, ARE YOU ON? WE WERE TOLD TO COME IN AT 145, SO HE MIGHT NOT BE. LET ME. OH, HE'S HAVING A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. CAMERA'S NOT WORKING. NOTHING'S WORKING. LET'S SEE HERE. DID YO. SORRY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I'M TRYING TO TOUCH BASE WITH HIM. CHAIR, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU WHILE THEY'RE WORKING THAT OUT, COULD MAYBE. PROFESSOR LORETTA, TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR MAKING THE TOOL AND WHAT WENT INTO IT. SURE. SHE CAN JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. YOUR MIC AND. YOU'RE MUTED. STILL. OKAY, SO I'M NOT USED TO USING WEBEX. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS PROFESSOR LORETTA LEES. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE INITIATIVE ON CITIES AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY AND MYSELF AND ANDRE COMANDON WHO'S DUE IN IN A MINUTE FROM USC AND KENTON CARD FROM UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA WERE CONTRACTED TO DEVELOP A TOOL IN RELATION TO THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED BY LOUISVILLE RECENTLY. SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IS HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THE CITY TO DISCUSS HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS TOOL IS ONE THAT'S ACCESSIBLE, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT EASY TO USE FOR DEVELOPERS, AND ACTUALLY ALSO ONE THAT WILL BE PUBLIC. SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS TOOL IS IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST KIND OF TOOL THAT MEASURES DISPLACEMENT RISK THAT WILL BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE. AND ALSO THE FIRST TOOL NATIONALLY THAT CAN BE UPDATED. AND EXTRA LAYERS OF INFORMATION CAN BE ADDED TO IT DOWN THE LINE. ONCE THE CITY DECIDES WHAT IT WOULD LIKE TO DO AT A LATER STAGE WITH DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF FURTHER INFORMATION. TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF THE TEAM. SO MYSELF, BEFORE MOVING TO THE US TWO YEARS AGO, I WAS CHAIR OF THE LONDON HOUSING PANEL, WORKING WITH THE MAYOR OF LONDON, SADIQ KHAN, WHICH I ALSO WORKED ON ANTI-DISPLACEMENT POLICY MAKING AND PRACTICE. I'VE ALSO DONE WORK ACROSS VARIOUS US CITIES, BUT ALSO IN EUROPE, SO WE'VE KIND OF COME TOGETHER AS A KIND OF TEAM WITH BOTH INTERNATIONAL EXPERTISE ON THIS, BUT PARTICULARLY US EXPERTISE AS WELL. THE KEY PERSON WHO'S BEEN DOING THE MODELING IS ANDRE CAMDEN AND YEAH, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. HOPEFULLY ANDRE IS GOING TO COME IN. IT COULD BE A WEBEX ISSUE. ANDRE, [00:40:08] CAN YOU HEAR US? SEEMS THAT HE'S NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THE CAMERA OR THE I HAD TROUBLE WITH THE CAMERA. IF YOU GO INTO YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR CAMERA. BASICALL. WHAT DID I GO INTO? OH, THERE'S. IF YOU GO TO THE DROP DOWN MENU WHERE IT SAYS STOP VIDEO OR START VIDEO, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR CAMERA. YEAH, YEAH. AND I SENT HIM A REQUEST TO UNMUTE, BUT IT'S JUST IT JUST SAYS THAT IT WAS SENT. I'M NOT SURE IF HE CAN SELECT THAT AND UNMUTE HIMSELF OR NOT. I THOUGHT I HEARD THE VOICE ALSO SAYS UNVERIFIED, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. HE'S TRYING TO GO INTO HIS SETTINGS JUST TO CONFIRM. YES. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, IF HE CANNOT GET IN, IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO. TRY TO RESCHEDULE OR. OKAY. WE COULD ALSO. WE COULD SHARE THE SLOT, LORETTA. OR I COULD TRY TO SHARE THE SLIDES AS WELL. WE COULD TALK THROUGH IT. OKAY. IS ANDRE IS ANDRE ACTUALLY THERE, THOUGH? HE'S HE'S ON THE PHONE WITH ME. HE'S JUST SOME ACCESS ISSUE. IT SEEMS SO. IF WE CAN, COULD YOU ALL JUST SHARE THE SLIDES AND TALK THROUGH IT? AND IF HE JOINS, HE JOINS BUT AT LEAST INTRODUCE IT TO US. YEAH. MAKE SURE I'M SHARING THE RIGHT THING. SO. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU. BUT I CAN'T HEAR YOU. NO, NO, WE CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA THAT COULD BE FOR THIS. THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY THING THAT'S. THIS IS US. THIS IS THE LAST THING. THIS IS THE LAST THING, ANDRE. SO, YEAH. CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? SO I CAN FIGURE THIS OUT? HE'S ASKING IS A FIVE MINUTE RECESS POSSIBLE? I WILL GRANT A FIVE MINUTE. IS THAT I'LL ASK THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. ARE YOU OKAY? FIVE MINUTE RECESS. AND WE WILL ADJOURN IN FIVE MINUTES. YOU HAVE TIME TO GO GET YOU A CUP OF COFFEE. THANK YOU. WAS THAT GRANTED OR. YES. GREAT. THANKS. SO. [00:48:22] MR. CARD, WILL YOU LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BEGIN? YES. WE'RE TRYING A DIFFERENT BROWSER OVER HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU WAIT? EXCUSE ME. GL TO HERE. CAN YOU SHARE? I ESS WE'LL START WITH THE SLES. AND. I CAN ALSO SHARE IF THAT'S EASIER, BECAUSE I HAVE IT UP. [00:50:25] ANDRE, ARE YOU READY TO BEGIN TO TRY TO BEGIN? OKAY, SO THERE'S THE SHARE WORK. YEAH. THAT'S WORKING. IF YOU CAN DO A PRESENTATION MODE, I THINK WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. SO. ALL RIGHT, I GUESS WE'LL GET STARTED THEN FROM WHERE WE WERE. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? YES. AND WHEN ANDRE SPEAKS, IF HE'LL INTRODUCE HIMSELF, FOR THE RECORD, TO. SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. APOLOGIES FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TODAY THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT TOOL. WE'VE BEEN CONTRACTED BY LOUISVILLE METRO. ANDRE COLEMAN AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, MYSELF, KENTON CARD, THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND LORETTA LEES AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY. ANDRE, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WE'VE BEEN CONTRACTED TO DEVELOP AN ANTI-DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT TOOL, AN ADA TOOL TO CREATE A RESULTS MATRIX INDICATING WHEN A DEVELOPER WOULD BE INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE METRO RESOURCES. NOW, WE'VE BEEN IN DIALOG WITH THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. AND WITHIN THE LAW THAT PASSED IT STIPULATED THAT THAT AN EXTERNAL TEAM, AN ACADEMIC TEAM, HAS TO PRODUCE THIS TOOL AND IT WILL ASSESS RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IN THE METRO REGION THAT ARE PROSPECTIVELY TRYING TO RECEIVE METRO SUBSIDIES AND THEN THEY MUST PASS THE TOOL. AND THE TOOL MEASURES THE RISK OF DISPLACEMENT VIA CHANGING RENTS AND OTHER VARIABLES. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO MITIGATE DISPLACEMENT OF RESIDENTS AND EXPEDITE AS WELL EXPEDITE THE DEVELOPMENT OF EQUITABLE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY AND GOING FORWARD, OC OK'D, AS WELL AS THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT COMMISSION, WILL BE REVIEWING HOW THE ASSESSMENT UNRAVELS. GO AHEAD. NEXT SLIDE. ANDRE. SO THIS IS MY INPUT. SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT I WOULD SAY AS A KIND OF URBANIST INTERNATIONAL URBANIST THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. AS SOMEBODY WHO'S WORKED ON SIMILAR ORDINANCES, SIMILAR POLICIES AND PRACTICES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, DISPLACEMENT IN US CITIES IS WIDESPREAD, AND IT'S USUALLY THE RESULT OF POOR URBAN POLICY OR HOUSING POLICY DESIGN THAT TENDS TO MAKE HOUSING UNAFFORDABLE. WHAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE US IN CITIES IS AN INCREASE IN EVICTIONS. THEY'VE BECOME MORE AND MORE COROLLARY OF THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR UPWARD SOCIOECONOMIC MOBILITY HAS BECOME LESS ACCESSIBLE FOR CERTAIN GROUPS. SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT FOR LOUISVILLE IN PARTICULAR? THIS TOOL IS GOING TO BE AT THE CUTTING EDGE OF POLICY DESIGN. IT'S INNOVATIVE. IT DOES MORE THAN OTHER TOOLS THAT PEOPLE HAVE STARTED TO DEVELOP IN OTHER CITIES. IT'S HERE TO PROTECT COMMUNITIES FROM DISPLACEMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO EXPEDITE EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ANTI-DISPLACEMENT. IT'S ALSO A TOOL THAT IS GOING TO BE OR IS USER FRIENDLY AND WILL BE ABLE TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC. OVER TO ANDRE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS ANDRE CAMDEN. I AM A RESEARCH SCIENTIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND LET ME SWITCH OVER TO THE TOOL ITSELF. I THIN. ALL RIGHT. SO YES, THIS TOOL WAS DEVELOPED ENTIRELY PROGRAMMATICALLY, MEANING IT'S BEEN CODED AND RUNS IN AN OPEN SOURCE ENVIRONMENT, MEANING IT [00:55:01] CAN BE REPRODUCED, IT CAN BE EASILY UPDATED. IT CAN BE EASILY EXPANDED. AND SO WHEN YOU ACCESS THE TOOL ONLINE, YOU WILL ARRIVE AT THIS LANDING PAGE, WHICH CAN BE INTRODUCED AS A TOOL. ITS PURPOSE, ITS ORIGIN AND GIVES A BIT OF BACKGROUND. YOU WILL THEN NAVIGATE TO THIS SET OF TABS AT THE TOP THAT ALLOWS YOU TO REALLY GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE TOOL DOES BEFORE GETTING TO THE OUTPUT, WHICH IS REALLY THIS RECOMMENDATION MATRIX. SO THE FIRST THING IS TO ESTABLISH WHY SUCH A TOOL IS NEEDED. AND SO THIS FIRST STEP REALLY IS THERE TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE ON THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE AT THE LOWEST INCOME LEVEL ARE FACING EXTREME HOUSING COSTS AND CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY RENT, WHICH IS WHAT LEADS TO DISPLACEMENT RISK. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION HERE, IS WE CANNOT MEASURE DISPLACEMENT DIRECTLY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ACADEMICS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR YEARS. NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO IT RELIABLY. AND SO WE REALLY RELY ON THINGS THAT WE KNOW INCREASE THE RISK OF DISPLACEMENT. AND THIS PRIMARILY WORKS THROUGH INCREASING RENTS AND THE INCREASING BURDEN ON RENTERS, ESPECIALLY THAT FACE DWINDLING RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN SHELTER. THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF THIS IS KIND OF THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISMATCH OF HOUSING. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS TOOL IS THERE'S TWO GOALS. ONE IS TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO TO DECREASE THE MISMATCH BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT ARE PERHAPS AT A HIGHER INCOME BUT ARE RENTING AT A LEVEL THAT IS BELOW WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD, MEANING THAT THEY'RE TAKING AWAY UNITS THAT WOULD BE OTHERWISE AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE WITH LOWER INCOME. ANDRE, CAN YOU STOP FOR JUST A SECOND? COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THIS IS ALSO ON YOUR COMPUTERS UNDER THE WITH THE EXTERNAL LINK. YOU CAN GET TO IT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR COMPUTERS THERE. I'M SORRY. ANDRE, GO AHEAD. SO YES, THE GOAL OF THE TOOL IS TO BOTH INCREASE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND TO REDUCE THIS MISMATCH BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE PAY AND WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD. SO ONCE THIS IS ESTABLISHED, THE TOOL ITSELF REALLY STARTS HERE. AND SO THE FIRST SET OF INFORMATION WE'RE GATHERING RIGHT. AND THIS IS A TOOL THAT IS PROJECT FOCUSED RIGHT. THE STARTING POINT IS THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO THIS IS A FORM THAT COLLECTS INFORMATION ABOUT THE TYPE OF PROJECT. AND SO YOU WOULD GO THROUGH IT WITH FOR EXAMPLE, WHETHER IT'S A PROJECT THAT WILL BE A REHAB OF AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR IS IT GOING TO BE ON A VACANT FIELD, LET'S SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A REHAB. I'M GOING TO USE AN ACTUAL PROJECT FOR THIS AS AN EXAMPLE HERE. LET'S SAY IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY HOME PROJECT, AND THERE IS 150 UNITS IN THIS PROJECT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS. RIGHT. WE'RE REHABBING THE BUILDING, KEEPING THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS. LET'S SAY THAT THE MEDIAN RENT IN THE PROJECT WILL BE 1200, AND THAT OF THOSE 150 UNITS, LET'S SAY THAT'S 20 WILL BE A 30% OF AMI OR BELOW, ANOTHER 30 WILL BE 30 TO 50. NONE WILL BE AT 50 TO 60. THEN LET'S SAY 50 AT THIS LEVEL. AND THEN THE REMAINING 50 WILL BE MARKET RATE. RIGHT. SO THIS FORM REALLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE DEVELOPER, ASSUMES THAT THE DEVELOPER KNOWS WHAT THE PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE. THE KIND OF AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE. SO WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S ALSO CAN BE USED FOR A HYPOTHETICAL PROJECT. SO LET'S SAY SOMEONE, ANYONE WANTS TO SAY, OH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? OR WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF A PROJECT THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT WERE TO GO IN THIS LOCATION? SO IT HAS THIS FLEXIBILITY, BUT REALLY THIS IS GEARED FOR DEVELOPERS TO GET A SENSE OF HOW THEIR PROJECT WILL FIT IN A LOCATION. SO IT'S THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT. THE NEXT STEP IS TO ESTABLISH A LOCATION. RIGHT. SO AGAIN THIS IS PROJECT FOCUSED. SO IT WILL BE BASED ON THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF A PROJECT. AND SO I LOOKED IT UP. THERE WAS A PROJECT AT 1000 MAGAZINE STREET. I THINK IT'S STREETS. AND THIS IS IN THE CITY [01:00:01] OF LOUISVILLE AND THE STATE OF KENTUCKY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT I'M LOOKING AT. AND IF I DO GEOCODE, IT WILL PULL UP THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE PROJECT. RIGHT. SO YOU COULD CHANGE THAT. YOU CAN ALSO IF YOU REALIZE, OH, THIS IS NOT QUITE RIGHT, YOU COULD ALSO CLICK ANYWHERE ON THIS MAP AND CHANGE THE LOCATION TO SOMETHING BASED ON WHERE YOU KNOW THE PROJECT WILL GO. RIGHT. SO ONCE THIS IS DONE, THE NEXT THING AND IT TAKES A SECOND TO KIND OF PULL THE DATA TOGETHER AND DO THE OUTPUTS, IS THIS DASHBOARD RIGHT. AND SO WHAT THIS TELLS YOU IS HERE IS WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED. IT IS IN THE NORTHWEST CORE MARKET AREA. RIGHT. SO IF YOU HOVER OVER THE MAP YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS IN THIS MARKET AREA. BUT IT'S ALSO SURROUNDED BY THIS BY THESE BLOCK GROUPS. RIGHT. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THE BLOCK GROUP IS A VERY SMALL AREA. WE WANT TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT ARE WHAT IS THE SURROUNDING OF THIS PROJECT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT MATTER HERE. ONE IS CHANGES IN RACIAL COMPOSITION IN POPULATION MORE GENERALLY. SO WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THAT THERE WAS A VERY STABLE KIND OF RACIAL COMPOSITION UNTIL 2010. AND THEN SOME SIGN THAT THERE IS A STEEP DECREASE IN THE SHARE OF BLACK PEOPLE WITH AN INCREASE IN THE SHARE OF WHITE PEOPLE. WE SEE THAT ALSO HERE, RIGHT WHERE WE SEE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE MARKET AREA, THERE IS SOME DECLINES IN POPULATION. SO THERE'S A POPULATION LOSS. BUT IN THIS PART OF THE MARKET AREA, THERE'S ACTUALLY A POPULATION INCREASE. RIGHT. SO ALL OF THESE ARE IMPORTANT FOR UNDERSTANDING THE DYNAMICS OF THE LOCATION. AND THEN UNDERNEATH YOU CAN SEE SOME INDICATORS THAT REALLY TELL US OKAY IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH GENTRIFICATION. AND SO HERE AGAIN SOME CLEAR SIGNS. IF WE LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC AREA OF THIS PROJECT, THE SHARE OF PEOPLE WITH COLLEGE EDUCATION BASICALLY DOUBLED FROM 2010 TO 2020, A VERY CLEAR SIGN OF GENTRIFICATION. AT THE SAME TIME. AGAIN, MEDIAN RENT INCREASED DRAMATICALLY FROM BELOW 400 TO ABOVE $600, AND HOUSEHOLD INCOMES ALSO WENT UP. SO ALL THESE ARE SIGNS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND HEIGHTENS THE RISK OF DISPLACEMENT. RIGHT. SO THIS IS ALL IN KIND OF CONTEXT. THIS THEN FOCUSES HOMES IN ON THE HOUSING PICTURE. RIGHT. SO THIS GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF RENT IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA. AND AGAIN IN THE MARKET AREA AS A AS A COMPARISON. AND WHAT WE SEE IS THAT IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN PARALLEL. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MARKET AREA HAS CONVERGED WITH THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION IN THIS CASE. AND SO THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT RENTS HAVE SPIKED IN TERMS OF ASKING RENTS. AND SO THAT'S A BIG IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE IS THIS IS ASKING RENTS RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE PAY THE EXISTING RESIDENTS PAY. RIGHT. SO THIS IS FOR UNITS GOING ON THE MARKET AS OPPOSED TO WHAT PEOPLE PAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS THEN PROVIDES A SUMMARY OF HOW THIS PROJECT FITS WITH EXISTING RENTERS. SO THE $1,200 MEDIAN RENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ALMOST $800 HIGHER THAN THE MEDIAN RENT PEOPLE PAY. GENERALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BASED ON 2015 TO 2022 DATA. RIGHT? SO THERE'S A CLEAR SENSE THAT THIS PROJECT IS AT A RED LEVEL, THAT EXISTING RENTERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD. IT IS IN LINE WITH OTHER NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA. BUT IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THE UNITS, THE MARKET RATE UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO ONLY ABOUT 1% OF ALL CURRENT RENTERS. SO BASICALLY A THIRD OF THE UNITS IN THIS PROJECT ARE NOT AFFORDABLE TO ANYONE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MEANING THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE WITH HIGHER INCOME LOCATING HERE AND THEREFORE HEIGHTENING AGAIN THE RISK THAT THE PEOPLE, THE EXISTING PEOPLE ARE ARE FACING HIGHER RENTS OVERALL. AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF ALL OF THIS IN TABLE FORM, ALONG WITH THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PREVIOUSLY. AND SO WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THIS IS AN AREA WITH A LOT OF ACTIVITY, RIGHT? OVERALL, IT LOOKS THAT IT WAS ABOUT 150 [01:05:04] HOUSING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND ABOUT 13 MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS JUST IN THE AREA OF THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S A IT'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND THEREFORE THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY FUELING SOME OF THE TRENDS WE SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. AND SO FINALLY, THAT'S NOT GOOD. LET ME SEE IF I MISSED SOMETHIN. LET'S SEE IF I CHANGE. THAT'S BOUND TO HAPPEN RIGHT. IT'S WHEN YOU DO THE PRESENTATION SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN. ALL RIGHT. LET ME. SHOULD WE SHIFT TO THE POWERPOINT EXAMPLE OUTCOME. ANDRE. YEAH, RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S IN THE POWERPOINT. RIGHT. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IN THE POWERPOINT I NEED TO SHARE AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE OUTPUT IS ACTUALLY BEEN UPDATED TO MAKE IT SIMPLER. BUT BASICALLY THERE'S THREE TYPES OF OUTPUT RIGHT. ONE THERE IS A PROJECT SUMMARY. RIGHT. SO THIS BRINGS TOGETHER SOME OF THE METRICS ABOUT THE PROJECT. HOW BIG IS IT AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS IS AFFORDABLE TO EXISTING RENTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS REALLY GIVES US AN IDEA OF THE FIT OF THE PROJECT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? IS IT GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO EXISTING RENTERS, OR IS IT REALLY A PROJECT THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE WITH HIGHER INCOME FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, AND THEREFORE MAKE THE RISK OF DISPLACEMENT HIGHER? THEN THERE'S SOME SUMMARY ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF RENTERS SAID RENTERS ARE TEND TO BE THE MOST AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT. AND SO IF IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT RENTERS, THE IMPLICATIONS ARE GOING TO BE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE 90% OF THE POPULATION IS RENTING. AND THEN WE HAVE A SET OF SCORES THAT TOUCH ON THREE IMPORTANT CATEGORIES. THE FIRST ONE IS THE HOUSING MARKET, RIGHT? IS THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE HOUSING HAS KEPT UP WITH GROWTH AND THEREFORE THERE IS ENOUGH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AROUND AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A STRESSOR COMING FROM THAT OR IS IT A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE GROWTH OF POPULATION HAS OUTPACED HOUSING, THEREFORE PUTTING A LOT OF MARKET PRESSURE FOR RENTS TO INCREASE? SECOND, IS THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE VULNERABLE? RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF RENT BURDEN AND PEOPLE FACE A LOT OF POVERTY, THIS IS THESE ARE INDICATORS THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE HIGHLY VULNERABLE. AND THAT'S EVEN A SMALL INCREASE IN RENTS COULD PUT THEM AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT. AND THEN THIRD IS THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS GENTRIFYING. RIGHT. SO THAT'S IS REALLY THE LAST KIND OF SET OF FACTORS THAT WOULD LEAD TO INCREASING RENT AND THEREFORE INCREASED VULNERABILITY AND RISK OF DISPLACEMENT. AND SO WHEN ALL OF THOSE ARE SCORED HIGHLY. SO WE HAVE A SCORING SYSTEM FROM 1 TO 3, WHICH IS LOW RISK FROM 4 TO 6, WHICH IS MEDIUM MEDIUM RISK AND THEN 7 TO 10, WHICH IS HIGH RISK. SO WHEN ALL THOSE FACTORS ARE SCORED HIGHLY FROM 7 TO 10, THIS IS REALLY A RED FLAG, RIGHT? IF WE ADD TO THIS THAT THE PROJECT IS A POOR FIT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT. THAT WHERE MOST OF THE UNITS ARE NOT AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. THIS IS A SIGN THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD FIT. RIGHT? AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT UNLESS THERE ARE STRONG MITIGATION MEASURES. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT. BUT THIS IS REALLY WHERE EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER. AND THE OUTPUT IS, IS THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES AND HOW [01:10:02] STRONG THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES NEED TO BE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO LEAD TO FURTHER DISPLACEMENT, RATHER THAN HELPING PEOPLE GAIN ACCESS TO QUALITY HOUSING. AND I WILL STOP SHARING. AND I THINK UNLESS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, WE CAN GO TO Q&A. NO, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU ANDRE, THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON THAT. I THINK WEBEX IS A BIT DIFFICULT FOR THIS PRESENTATION IN PARTICULAR. YEAH. SO OVER TO Q&A AND APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY. OH NO PROBLEM. WE ALL HAVE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. WE HAVE THEM IN THIS CHAMBERS ALL THE TIME. COUNCILMAN SHAWN THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING THAT PRESENTATION TOGETHER. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND YOUR YOUR WORK WITH COUNCILMAN ARTHUR ON THAT. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL START OUT WITH WHAT DOES WHAT DOES THIS TOOL DO TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, AND HOW WILL IT CHANGE THE THINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS FAR AS GROWTH AND ALLOWING NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO HAPPEN? YEAH, I GUESS I CAN ANSWER THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF THESE IN DIFFERENT CITIES GLOBALLY. THIS IS NOT AN ANTI DEVELOPMENT TOOL. THIS IS A PRO DEVELOPMENT TOOL. BUT IT'S PRO ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IT'S A TOOL THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT THE CITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT IS TRULY AFFORDABLE FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN LOUISVILLE. CAN I CONTINUE. THAT FILL THIS, THIS MATRIX OUT AND THIS TOOL OUT, THEY HAVE TO GO ONLINE TO FILL THIS OUT BEFORE FILING FOR PERMITS TO DEVELOP. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS AND HOW HOW DOES THAT MOVE FORWARD? IF IT'S OKAY? I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR METRO GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED HOUSING PROJECTS. SO IF IT'S A COFFEE SHOP AND YOU WANT SOME SORT OF METRO GOVERNMENT SUPPORT, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD 100 APARTMENTS, THEN YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IF YOU WANT METRO GOVERNMENT SUPPORT, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOME CONDOS IN DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE AND YOU DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT SUPPORT, HAVE AT IT. BUT IF YOU WANT METRO GOVERNMENT SUPPORT, LAND, PROPERTY, FINANCES, THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THEN I'LL JUST I'LL SHIFT MY QUESTION TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEN. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF RISK TERRAIN ANALYSIS FOR, FOR CRIME OR ANY OTHER RISK ANALYSIS WITHIN THIS TOOL THAT CAN IDENTIFY THOSE DEVELOPMENT WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH, I MEAN, CRIME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH ANALYZING THESE KINDS OF RISKS FOR A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE DONE RESEARCH ON A FAIRLY KIND OF SOLID BUNCH OF ACADEMIC AND ACTUALLY ALSO POLICY LITERATURE. AND WE'VE USED THE PROXIES THAT THEY'VE USED IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, KIND OF IMPACT IN HOUSING AREAS, WHAT GENTRIFICATION IS, HOW IT PLAYS OUT, THAT KIND OF THING. CRIME GENERALLY IS NOT TEND TO BE ONE OF THESE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, THANK YOU. SO IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST. AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN PUT INTO IT. COULD YOU ALL TALK ABOUT WHAT DATA YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE TOOL AND WHY YOU CHOSE THAT DATA? ANDRE. YEAH. SO YES, IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE TOOL, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. IT PULLS FROM VARIOUS SOURCES. THEY PULLS FROM THE CENSUS. THERE'S CENSUS HAS DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES INCLUDING THAT IS AGGREGATE DATA, MEANING THE KIND OF DATA THAT WOULD MATCH THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I SHOWED ON THE MAP. THERE IS MICRODATA. SO MEANING INDIVIDUAL AND HOUSEHOLD LEVEL DATA THAT WE PULL FROM TO ASSESS HOUSING NEE. AND THEN THE RENT DATA THAT WE USE IS A MIX OF CENSUS DATA. BUT ALSO DATA THAT COMES FROM A PRIVATE PROVIDER CALLED RENT HUB. THIS IS A COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN GATHERING ALL RENTAL LISTINGS FROM THE INTERNET AND THEN PROCESSING IT, HEATING IT, AND MAKING IT AVAILABLE SO THAT WE HAVE THIS HIGH FREQUENCY DATA ABOUT THE RENTAL MARKET. THIS IS A [01:15:01] DISTINCTION I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE IS THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RENT PEOPLE EXISTING RENTERS PAY, WHICH IS WHAT THE CENSUS TENDS TO CAPTURE AND THE RENTS THAT ARE ADVERTISED FOR UNITS NEWLY COMING ON THE MARKET, WHICH IS WHAT RENT HUB CAPTURES. AND SO WE HAVE BOTH OF THESE AS INDICATORS. WE HAVE BOTH SHIFTS IN RENTS FOR EXISTING RENTERS AND SHIFTS IN RENTS IN THE MARKET. SO THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE OF DATA THAT'S THAT'S QUITE IMPORTANT. AND THEN WE HAVE KIND OF GEOGRAPHIC DATA. SO WE PULL KIND OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE MARKET AREA THAT THE CITY DEFINED. WE PULL INFORMATION FROM THE CENSUS AGAIN IN TERMS OF DEFINING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH THE MARKET AREA BUILT FROM, AND PULL ALL THIS TOGETHER TO HAVE THIS FULLY FLEXIBLE TOOL. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR, I THINK FOR ME, THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHETHER THE TOOL WAS WORKING AS IT IS DESIGNED TO DO, WOULD BE TO TAKE KIND OF AN EXTENDED TEST DRIVE. AND HAS ANYBODY DONE THAT WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN LET'S SAY, VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WE'VE FUNDED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND PLUGGED IN THE RENTS AND NUMBERS FROM THOSE PROJECTS AND SEE WHAT THE TOOL ENDS UP SPITTING BACK OUT LIKE AND SAYS THIS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WOULD WORK OR THIS WOULD, WOULD NOT WORK OR WOULD DISPLACE PEOPLE OR NOT DISPLACE PEOPLE. HAS ANYBODY DONE THAT? AND DO WE INTEND TO DO THAT? BECAUSE I IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THE TYPE OF THING WHERE YOU NEVER IT'D BE HARD TO KNOW YOU HAD IT, YOU HAD IT STRUCTURED CORRECTLY WITHOUT DOING AN EXTENDED TEST DRIVE. ANDRE, DO YOU WANT A RESPONSE? YOU'RE MUTED. SURE. SO YES, THAT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY WORKING ON. AND THAT'S TO KIND OF GO BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIST OF COMPLETED PROJECTS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND SO THE GOOD THING, OR I GUESS WHAT MAKES THAT FEASIBLE IS THERE'S NOT THAT MANY MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED IN FIVE YEARS. AND SO WE CAN DO THAT. THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS THIS IS THIS IS NOT A PREDICTIVE TOOL. IT CANNOT PREDICT WHAT WILL HAPPEN. IT IS BASED ON THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND AND WHETHER IT IS A GOOD FIT. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IS OKAY, OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM WERE A GOOD FIT FOR THE LOCATION IN WHICH THEY ENDED UP OR THE TOOL SETS THAT MOST OF THEM WERE NOT QUITE A GREAT FIT. SO WE COULD DO A REPORT THAT SAYS GOES THROUGH EVERY PROJECT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND, AND GIVE YOU THE OUTPUTS FROM THE TOOL SO THAT YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS SEEMS THAT THAT MATCHES WITH OUR UNDERSTANDING. I MEAN, JUST JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE TESTED CERTAIN LOCATIONS IN TERMS OF KIND OF GROUNDED KNOWLEDGE THAT WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, HEAVY DISPLACEMENT TO TRY AND JUST CHECK DOUBLE CHECK THAT THIS WORKS PROPERLY. AND THE MODEL INDEED DOES WORK PROPERLY. WHAT WERE THOSE PLACES JUST WERE THERE? WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS DID YOU TEST? DO YOU REMEMBER? WAS IT SMOKE? YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WE TESTED FOR RUSSELL BECAUSE WE THERE WAS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE IN TERMS OF INVESTMENTS. AND RUSSELL IS AN INTERESTING CASE BECAUSE IT IS MIXED BECAUSE IT BORDERS SOME MARGINALIZED AREAS OF THE CITY. AND AT THE SAME TIME IS BEING QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN JUST TO THE EAST, RIGHT THERE'S DOWNTOWN, WHICH HAS GOT ITS OWN INFLUENCE. AND SO IT'S VERY MUCH AT THE BOUNDARY OF THOSE AREAS, WHICH MAKES IT AN INTERESTING CASE. AND INDEED, THAT COMPLEXITY DOES COME OUT IN THE TOOL IN THAT DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OF RUSSELL, WHICH IS MORE WITHIN THE NORTHWEST CORE, AS OPPOSED TO THE EASTSIDE, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE DOWNTOWN, IT PICKS UP MORE OF THAT GENTRIFICATION EFFECT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT AREAS EAST OF DOWNTOWN. I DON'T RECALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD NAMES, BUT THESE ARE KIND OF FLASHPOINTS OF GENTRIFICATION WHERE WE SEE SOME [01:20:03] EXTREME CASES OF, FOR EXAMPLE, RENT INCREASES IN THOSE AREAS AND THEN IN DOWNTOWN ITSELF, AGAIN, WE SEE SOME SOME MIXED PICTURES WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS SIGNS OF GENTRIFICATION IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE POVERTY IS HIGH. RIGHT? SO IT'S THE WAY I WOULD INTERPRET THAT IS THAT GENTRIFICATION IS A PROCESS, BUT IT HAS NOT LED TO SAY THE DISPLACEMENT OF LOW INCOME RENTERS AND SO, YES, THESE AND SO AND OF COURSE, ANOTHER CASE IS TO SAY, OH, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GO TO EAST LOUISVILLE? RIGHT WHERE IT'S MOSTLY HOMEOWNERS? IT'S FAR MORE AFFLUENT PART OF THE CITY. AND WHAT WE SEE IS THAT IT'S LOW RISK. IT'S ALSO LOW RENTER. AND SO THE IMPLICATIONS IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT. AND TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, THIS IS NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, YOU CANNOT DEVELOP IN A, IN A THERE'S, THERE'S CLEAR OUTCOMES FOR THE TOOL WHERE THERE'S LOW RISK. AND THE TOOL WILL HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS. IF IT'S LOW RISK, IT'S LOW RISK. AND SO YES, WE HAVE TRIED TO REALLY TEST THE TOOL ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF GEOGRAPHY IN THE CITY. AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT. SO ONE THING THAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IS THAT PROCESSES OF DISPLACEMENT ESCALATE WHEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS END UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY GENTRIFYING. SO THEY TEND TO KIND OF LOCATE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN THE WHOLE PROCESS ESCALATES. AND I GUESS IT'S THAT ESCALATION THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON IN TERMS OF INFORMATION AND BE ABLE TO CONTROL. JUST AS A QUICK QUESTION, ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION, AND IT WENT BY VERY QUICKLY, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT A RATING SCALE OF KIND OF THE TIGHT SUPPLY AND A 1 TO 3 AND A 4 TO 6 AND A 7 TO 10. I MEAN, MY GENERAL PERCEPTION IS THAT WE'RE LIKE ALMOST EVERY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTRY IN THAT WE HAVE NOT BUILT NEARLY ENOUGH HOUSING, AND SO DO WE GENERALLY FALL IN A VERY TIGHT SUPPLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, OR IS THAT DISTINCT TO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS? IT IS VERY MUCH DISTINCT WHERE I MEAN, THE REASON THERE IS THAT SCALE IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT'S THE TREND HAS BEEN FOR A DECREASE IN NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS AND INCREASE IN VACANCY. RIGHT. SO IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NEVER PICK UP A TIGHT HOUSING MARKET BECAUSE IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. THERE IS A SURPLUS OF HOUSING, SO TO SAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, THERE'S A VERY TIGHT HOUSING MARKET WHERE THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS HAS GROWN MORE RAPIDLY THAN THE NUMBER OF NEW HOUSING UNITS AND VACANCY AS, AS KIND OF DROPPED TO VERY LOW LEVELS. SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT IN THAT THIS IS LIKE THAT WHERE THE SIGNAL IS THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING. WHAT THIS TOOL IS SAYING IS THAT IF THIS HOUSING IS TO BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE CITY, IT NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE. SO IT DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE RISK OF DISPLACE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A TIGHT MARKET. ADDING MARKET RATE IS ONE IS ONLY GOING TO FUEL THAT. AND TO JUST ADD TO THAT, ADDING TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BE BUILT IN MOST US CITIES, IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. AND THIS MODEL ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THAT. SO YOU GUYS DO GET A SCENARIO WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN INFORMATION IN SOME OF OUR IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED SAFE, CLEAN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE MOST, MANY OF WHICH ARE ALSO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE LOSING POPULATION. YOU CAN PUT IN FACTORS INTO THE MACHINE AND IT WILL SAY THAT THIS, THAT, IT'S THAT THERE IS A RENT AT WHICH THIS WILL NOT DISPLACE PEOPLE. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. YES, YES, I YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS I MEAN, THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT IS ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THE TOOL INTENDS TO DO. IT INTENDS TO SAY THIS IS THE LEVEL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY TO THE, THE TO ACCESS OR TO, TO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO, YES, IF IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE HOUSING HAS BEEN, THERE'S A HIGH VACANCY RATE AND PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, THE SIGNAL IS THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE [01:25:02] HIGH QUALITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE GOAL OF THIS TOOL IS TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE KIND OF PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED. THIS IS THIS IS CONSISTENT. IF AGAIN, THE CONDITION IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE IF THE HOUSING IS TRULY AFFORDABLE AND CONTRIBUTING TO HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. OKAY. I'M I AM ALL FOR TRYING TO CREATE A WAY TO PREVENT YOU KNOW, DISPLACEMENT. I'M SUPER OPEN MINDED ABOUT IT. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME BUILDING MODERN NEW NICE HOUSING IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT, THAT HAVE A VERY OLD HOUSING SUPPLY. MANY OF WHICH ARE NOT IN VERY GOOD, IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. AND WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME BEING ABLE TO BUILD THAT CHEAPLY ENOUGH, RIGHT AT AN AFFORDABLE ENOUGH RATE THAT IT DIDN'T DISPLACE PEOPLE. AND I WAS JUST A LITTLE AFRAID THAT THE MACHINE MIGHT SAY IT ALMOST DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT MATTERS, BUT SO THAT'S ALL I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT IF WE CAN PUT IN IF WE IF WE CAN BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE MACHINE SAYS IT WON'T DISPLACE PEOPLE AND WE CAN DO THAT IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED INVESTMENT, THEN I'LL BE A HAPPY CAMPER. THANK YOU. AND DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAD ALREADY DONE SOME PROJECTS DOWN IN THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU'VE ALREADY SENT THAT THROUGH THE MATRIX? YEAH. THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE PLACE WHERE WE TRIED OUT THE TOOL. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD SEE THAT OR. LET ME SEE IF I CAN. MAKE THIS UP. I DON'T KNOW, I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE LIKE ME VISUALLY SEEING AND WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THIS TOOL. SO, I MEAN, I CAN RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE TOOL. SO WE'VE BEEN CONTRACTED TO DEVELOP THE TOOL. THAT'S AS FAR AS OUR JOB GOES. BUT I GUESS THE FUTURE OF THIS WOULD BE A IT WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED WITH DATA REGULARLY, BE AS THE CITY MOVES FORWARD IN DEVELOPING ITS KIND OF ANTI-DISPLACEMENT KIND OF POLICY AND PRACTICE. IT MAY WANT TO ADD OTHER LAYERS OF DATA INTO THIS MODEL, WHICH THIS MODEL CAN DO, BUT IT WOULD BE THE CITY THAT WOULD NEED TO LEAD ON THAT. AND CERTAINLY WE COULD BE CONTRACTED BACK IN TO HELP SUPPORT THAT, BUT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO LEAD ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COULD ALSO BE THAT WEBEX IS A NIGHTMARE FOR EVEN GETTING THIS UP. DON'T FEEL BAD. IT'S STILL A NIGHTMARE FOR WE'VE USED WE'VE USED ZOOM. WE'VE USED TEAMS. WE'VE USED EVERYTHING JUST NOT WEBEX. AND IT'S ONLY CLUNKED ON US AND WEBEX. SO, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, YOU'RE NEXT IN THE QUEUE WHILE HE'S PULLING THAT UP. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, SINCE THERE'S A LINK THAT TAKES YOU TO THE TOOL, IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT IN MIND THAT YOU WANT TO TEST, PUT IT IN THERE. IF SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK, TAKE NOTE. WE NEED AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE AND AS MUCH INPUT AS POSSIBLE, SO WE CAN MAKE THIS THING THE BEST IT CAN BE. ALSO, KEEPING IN MIND YOU KNOW, AS YOU HEARD, LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY AND OTHER CITIES ARE LOOKING TO US TO SEE HOW IT WORKS AND FUNCTIONS. SO IF WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT, HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE REPLICATED ELSEWHERE. I'M KIND OF IGNORING OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET OUR BUSINESS TOGETHER, BUT WE NEED YOUR INPUT, SO PLEASE PUT PROJECTS INTO THE TOOL. IF YOU THINK THE WAY THE INTERFACE IS LAID OUT IS UGLY, LET US KNOW THAT TOO. SO JUST SO WE CAN MAKE IT FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND USER FRIENDLY, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IF WE COULD DO THAT WITH THAT LINK, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO PUT SOME INFORMATION LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, AND I THOUGHT, IT'S SAYING SAVE. I'M THINKING, WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE I BETTER NOT DO ANYTHING TO THIS LINK THAT THE NO. I MEAN, THE LINK IS LIVE. SO YOU CAN PLAY WITH IT NOW. SO WE MADE IT LIVE BEFORE THIS MEETING SO THAT BOTH THE CITY AND ANYBODY ELSE REALLY CAN PLAY AROUND WITH IT AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK. AND AS COUNCILMAN ARTHUR SAID, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DO WELCOME FEEDBACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS JUST BEEN DEVELOPED. NOW IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST OF ITS KIND. THERE WILL BE OTHER CITIES LOOKING TOWARDS THIS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON, AND I'VE HOOKED UP THE CITY OF BOSTON WITH LOUISVILLE AND THEY'VE KIND OF EXCHANGED THEIR DIFFERENT POLICIES AND PRACTICES AROUND ANTI-DISPLACEMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY GOOD FOR CITIES GOING FORWARD. SO IS WEBEX DEALING WITH AS ANDRE OR [01:30:03] IS IT OR DOES IT NOT LIKE. SO LET ME SHARE THIS. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS PROJECT HE DID EARLIER ON MAGAZINE STREET WAS IN RUSSELL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MATTERS TO ANYBODY. BUT HE HAS IT UP NOW. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT SO I AM IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING PARTS OF THE TOOL TO ADD THE REMAINING OUTPUTS AND KIND OF UPDATING THE, THE, THE LAST RESULTS TO MAKE THEM SIMPLER. RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE GOALS FOR THIS TOOL IS THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT, AND ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT. AND SO YOU KNOW, THE TOOL, THE FUNCTIONALITIES OF THE TOOL ARE ALL THERE, RIGHT? THIS IS HOW THE TOOL WILL WORK. THIS IS THE LOGIC BEHIND IT. THE DATA ARE ALL THERE. NOW. IT'S REALLY ABOUT PACKAGING IT IN A WAY THAT IS FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE. AND THAT IS RELIABLE AND SO I KIND OF QUICKLY PUT A PROJECT IN THERE. RIGHT. SO I THINK WE ALL AGREE. SO THIS THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS IS THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD HERE OR PARTS OF IT. IT'S QUITE HARD TO SEE AN OFF SCREEN BECAUSE ON WEBEX IT COMES UP REALLY TINY. OKAY. YEAH. AND MAYBE IF PEOPLE MAYBE IT'S BETTER WE JUST PLAY AROUND WITH IT OURSELVES. YEAH, YEAH. BUT SO YOU KNOW THE THIS IS ON THE WESTERN ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF RUSSELL AS I UNDERSTAND IT. AND SO. ONE THING THAT'S THAT GOES TO, TO WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER IS IT SHOWS HOW THINGS CAN BE QUITE COMPLICATED. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW THAT THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THIS MARKET AREA HERE HAS BEEN LOSING POPULATION SINCE 1990. WE SEE THAT ON THE TABLE. THIS PART OF RUSSELL, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS ALSO MIXED IN THAT IT HAS LOST POPULATION FROM 1990 TO 2010. BUT FROM 2010 TO 2020 IT HAS GAINED QUITE A BIT. SO IT'S DISTINCT FROM THE MARKET AREA. IT STANDS OUT WITHIN THIS BROADER MARKET AREA. WHAT WE ALSO SEE IS THAT THE SHARE WITH OF ADULTS WITH COLLEGE EDUCATION MORE THAN TRIPLED. AND FROM 2010 TO 2020. SO AGAIN, FOR THIS AREA, A CLEAR SIGN THAT THERE IS SOMETHING CHANGING QUITE RAPIDL. BUT RENTS HAVE NOT GONE UP THAT MUCH, RIGHT. SO PARTS OF THE TOOL IS TO CAPTURE THIS COMPLEXITY AND SIMPLIFY IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS ACTIONABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WEIGH ON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF CHANGE, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS AND DISTILL THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT CAN BE USED FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. IN THIS CASE, I PUT A PROJECT WITH 20 UNITS AND WE SEE THAT IF THE UNITS ARE AT THE 30% TO 50% OF AMI, THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO 50% OF LOCAL RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO THIS IN THIS SCENARIO, LET'S SAY THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR HOUSING. THIS EXISTING HOUSING ON THIS PARCEL. THE EXISTING HOUSING HAS FIVE UNITS. WITH THIS PROJECT, WHAT IT WOULD SAY IS FIVE OF THE UNITS IN THIS NEW PROJECT ARE AFFORDABLE TO HALF THE RENTERS. RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF TAKING AWAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CONTRIBUTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE IS THERE IS SOME DEGREE OF EXCHANGE AND REPLACEMENT HERE. IT'S PROBABLY COULD BE BETTER IF IT WAS FOR ABOUT 30%, BUT THIS IS AT LEAST IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A WAY THAT THE 20 UNITS ARE MARKET RATE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE MATRIX. WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE IS A FAIR DEGREE OF HOUSING TIGHTNESS, EVEN THOUGH VACANCY REMAINS QUITE UNCHANGED, AND THAT THERE IS CLEAR SIGN OF GENTRIFICATION. RIGHT. SO BOTH CHANGE IN HOME [01:35:04] VALUES AND CHANGE IN COLLEGE ADULTS WITH COLLEGE EDUCATION HAS GONE UP A LOT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THESE ARE TWO STRONG INDICATORS THAT THERE IS A GENTRIFICATION HAPPENING OR HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE FACING HIGH HOUSING STRESS, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH RENT BURDEN. RENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE CITY MEDIAN, BUT POVERTY RATE IS AMONG THE HIGHEST IN THE CITY. RIGHT. SO ALL OF THIS TOGETHER IS TELLING US THAT PROJECTS HERE WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY TAILORED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WERE TO GET SUBSIDIES, LEST IT CONTRIBUTE TO THIS HOUSING STRESS. AND DISPLACEMENT. SO YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS SO THIS IS USING THE TOOL THAT IS CURRENTLY ONLINE AS I SAID, IN PROCESS OF UPDATING, BUT IT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE PROJECT AND GET THOSE OUTPUTS. YEAH. JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP. I WAS WORKING ON THE TOOL AND THIS COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, RENOVATION, REHABILITATION, REDEVELOPMENT, VACANT GREENFIELD. THERE'S ANOTHER CLASSIFICATION BROWNFIELD, WHICH I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER REALLY THOUGHT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THERE'S A DIFFERENT COST STRUCTURE TO REDEVELOPING A BROWNFIELD AND WHETHER I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND KIND OF SHOULD WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION? AND THEN THE OTHER THING, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF BUILDINGS THAT HAD A PREVIOUS USE OF OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN DOWNTOWN THAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO REDEVELOP INTO RESIDENTIAL THAT ALSO HAS A VERY DIFFERENT COST STRUCTURE. AND I WONDERED WHETHER ARE THOSE TWO THINGS THAT YOU GUYS KIND OF CONSIDERED AT ALL AND WHETHER THEY MIGHT HAVE ALMOST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A BONUS FOR BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE HARD TO DO. THEY'RE HARD IT'S HARD TO REDEVELOP, YOU KNOW, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF OLD OFFICE BUILDINGS AND BROWNFIELDS. AND WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE A BONUS IN HERE THAT SAID, THIS PROJECT WORKS IN PART BECAUSE THIS IS A AN INCENTIVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE, OR WE WANT TO REDEVELOP THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. I MEAN, I CAN RESPOND QUICKLY. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF LAYERS THAT THE CITY CAN MAKE DECISIONS NOW THAT WE CAN ADD ON. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE THEY'RE CONNECTED HEAVILY TO OTHER LEGISLATION AROUND THE FINANCING OF THESE PROJECTS. AND THAT'S CRITICAL. YEAH. WE HAD A QUICK CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE FROM THE BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN LOUISVILLE. THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED DATA ON EXISTING BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT. THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS ONLY TWO EXAMPLES THAT WERE COMPLETED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT LIKE LIZ MENTIONED, THIS IS A THERE IS OTHER PROGRAMS ATTACHED TO THOSE KINDS OF PROJECTS. THAT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED THINGS. SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO COUNCIL MEMBER ARTHUR TO DEVELOP ON THAT. IF HE HAS FURTHER COMMENTS. I'LL JUST ADD IF YOU DO HAVE A SUGGESTION, LIKE MAKING THE FORM MORE DETAILED FOR THE TYPE OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN BREAKING DOWN THE INCOME LIMITS DIFFERENTLY TO SEND IT TO ME, I'M TAKING NOTES, BUT SEND IT TO ME AND WE CAN EXPERIMENT WITH THE TOOL AND SEE HOW IT MIGHT WORK. COULD I ADD ONE MORE THING? SAME THING WITH THE MATRIX. NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON THAT LAST TAB AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION MATRIX AND WHAT WE SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION TO. SO I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION OR FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT ONE OF THOSE OR ALL OF THEM, LET ME KNOW. YEAH, I MEAN, WE STRONGLY FELT THAT THE KIND OF 7 TO 10 CATEGORY WAS A RED FLAG, BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY NOW TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS, THIS MATRIX. NOW, WHEN DO WE SAY NO? WHEN DO WE SAY YES? WHEN DO WE SAY NO? UNLESS YOU DO A, B, C AND D? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? GOING ONCE. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE THIS? NO, JUST CALL ME, TEXT ME, EMAIL ME, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. SO HOPEFULLY WHEN WE COME BACK IT'LL BE A BETTER TOOL. AND THANK YOU TO OUR RESEARCH TEAM AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR ALL YOUR WORK [01:40:05] ON THIS. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING SIGNIFY BY SAYING I THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. SEEING NONE. THE ITEMS SHALL BE TABLED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. YOU TOO. THAT'S ALL THE BUSINESS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE TODAY. SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'LL STAND ADJOURNED UNTIL OUR NEXT REGULAR REGULARLY [Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.] SCHEDULED MEETING. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.