Oct 17, 2024 Budget Committee (trimmed)

[Call to Order]

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THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR TODAY, OCTOBER 17TH. AND IT'S

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COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. RIGHT. AND COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER HAS ASKED FOR AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TODAY. OH. I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AS WELL. I DO REMEMBER THAT. I APOLOGIZE. ITEM ONE IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 101, SERIES 2024,

[1. O-228-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 101, SERIES 2024, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 CAPITAL BUDGET BY TRANSFERRING $23,600 TO A NEW PROJECT TITLED D09 CANNONS LANE CROSSWALK. Action Required By: April 10, 2025 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ]

AND. COUNCILMAN OWEN, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THIS ONE? I AM, THANK YOU. CHAIR. I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT FROM 23 6 TO $40,000 EVEN. THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT? THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE INITIALLY. AND SO WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH OMB, AND WE AGREED THAT I COULD MAKE THAT MOTION HERE AT THE COMMITTEE. THE ONE I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE, BEFORE I NEED TO READ THE DISCLAIMER, PLEASE.

THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A READ IN FULL. THERE WE GO. NOW WE'RE OFFICIAL. NOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. SO I MAKE THE MOTION I JUST MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO. I SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF 40,000. RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. SO IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. OH. I'M SORRY. YES, YES. IN ADDITION TO INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CORRESPONDING DECREASE, I THINK IN THE PROJECT FROM WHICH THE FUNDS ARE BEING TAKEN. SO THAT AMOUNT WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE REDUCED IN THE. WHAT IS IT? I DIDN'T DO THE MATH. 16,400. IF THE MATH. SO THE REMAINING AMOUNT IN THE IN THE METROPARKS ORIGINAL. WAS IT WAS 150. SO IT'LL COME DOWN TO 110 NOW. OKAY. AND I'LL JUST, JUST SAY THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 18 MONTHS, THEY'RE PUTTING IN A NEW SIDEWALK, WHICH IS A FEDERAL PROJECT ON CANNONS LANE. AND AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, WE WANTED TO MAKE IT SAFER TO GET FROM SAINT MATTHEWS. LET'S SAY, ON THE EAST SIDE OF CANNONS LANE OVER TO SENECA PARK. SO THIS IS THE WAY THAT FITS INTO THE MONEY THAT WAS SET ASIDE, 150 THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR CONNECTIVITY TO OUR PARKS. GOTCHA. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE HAVE THE MOTION BEFORE US, A MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT BEFORE US. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? YES. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION. I'M LATONYA BELL, THE METRO COUNCIL FINANCIAL ANALYST. THE DOLLAR THE TOTAL BUDGET AMOUNT WAS $125,000. THAT WAS BUDGETED. AND IT'S CURRENTLY BUDGETED IN PARKS AND RECREATION UNDER PROJECT 25 FOR DISTRICTS OF NINE STREETS FOR PEOPLE. THAT AMOUNT WOULD NEED TO BE DECREASED BY 40,000, AND IT WOULD MOVE THAT 40,000 TO PUBLIC WORKS. A NEW PROJECT, TITLED DISTRICT NINE CANNON'S LANE CROSSWALK. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE $40,000. JUST TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US. THAT'S THE AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE US. QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LET'S HAVE IT. WE HAVE THE PROJECT BEFORE US. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE US. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN? THANK YOU. PRETTY WELL TOOK CARE OF IT THERE. QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CALL FOR ROLL CALL.

VOTE. PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. RIGHT. YE. COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANIE. AYE.

COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER. YES. CHAIR BLACKWELL, YOU HAVE NINE. YES VOTES. VERY GOOD. ITEM. PASSES

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[2. O-229-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 080, SERIES 2023, ORDINANCE NO. 101, SERIES 2024, AND ORDINANCE NO. 100, SERIES 2024, RELATING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 CAPITAL BUDGET, FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 CAPITAL BUDGET, AND THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 OPERATING BUDGETS BY TRANSFERRING $113,050 FROM THE DISTRICT 24 CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUND TO THE DISTRICT 24 NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUND. Action Required By: April 10, 2025 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]

FISCAL YEAR 20 2425. CAPITAL BUDGET AND THE FISCAL YEAR 2425 OPERATING BUDGETS BY TRANSFERRING $113,050 FROM DISTRICT 24 CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUND TO DISTRICT 24 NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUND. YOUR MOTION. MOTION. MOTION AND SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD, YOU'RE UP. YEAH. THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR. THIS IS FOR 17 FLOCK CAMERAS THROUGHOUT DISTRICT 24 AND ADJOINING DISTRICTS. THAT INTERSECTS DISTRICT 24. AND FOR FUTURE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS IN DISTRICT 24. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE. THIS ALSO WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AT THE LAST APPROPRIATIONS MEETING. AND WE HAD THOUGHT WE COULD TAKE THIS OUT OF CIP, BUT WE CAN'T. IT HAS TO COME OUT OF MDF. VERY GOOD. COUNCILWOMAN. VICE CHAIR KRAMER. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. I WANT TO BEGIN MY COMMENTS BY SAYING I INTEND TO BE A YES VOTE AND I ENCOURAGE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES TO BE A YES VOTE AS WELL. I THINK THE WORK THAT THE TOOL THAT THIS PROVIDES TO THE POLICE IS IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE. SO DON'T LET ANYTHING I SAY FROM THIS POINT FORWARD GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS. IGNORE EVERYTHING I SAY. NOW, THAT SAID, I KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS, AND SO THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER QUESTION IN THERE. I'M NOT ON APPROPRIATIONS. SEVERAL OF US HAVE RECOGNIZED THE BENEFIT TO FLOCK CAMERAS AND HAVE BEGUN TO PAY FOR THEM OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT ACCOUNTS. AT SOME POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. I REALIZE THERE'S NO ONE HERE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TODAY, SO I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT IN THE UNIVERSE. AT SOME POINT, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF A PLAN FOR FLOCK CAMERAS. AND YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE ENOUGH? HOW MANY ARE TOO MANY? HOW MANY IS WHERE IS THE RIGHT PLACEMENT FOR THESE? HOW DO WE PLAN ON COVERING THE ONGOING EXPENSE? BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO PUT THEM IN. AND I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD'S PUTTING THEM IN. SHE HAS CHOSEN NOT TO RUN FOR REELECTION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE EARNED YOUR YOUR TIME. BUT THAT MEANS THAT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THE CONTRACT COMES BACK UP, SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT. AND BECAUSE IT WAS PAID FOR WITH NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, THE EXPECTATION, I WOULD GUESS, IS THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL PERSON WILL NOW BE EXPECTED TO COVER THIS COST. IF THE NEXT COUNCIL PERSON WERE TO DECIDE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THEN THEY ARE WITHDRAWING A TOOL FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT THING FOR A BRAND NEW COUNCIL PERSON TO HAVE TO DO. SO AGAIN, FULL ON YES VOTE. PLEASE SUPPORT THIS. BUT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEIR PLAN GOING FORWARD FOR FLOCK CAMERAS. HOW WE WILL DECIDE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, HOW WE WILL DECIDE TO PAY FOR THEM AND HOW WE WILL COVER THE ONGOING EXPENSE WITHOUT LEAVING THIS. YES. AT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S DISTRICT. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS A VERY BENEFICIAL TOOL. IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE IN SOME DISTRICTS THAN OTHER DISTRICTS.

AND SO IT JUST IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE WE KNOW THIS IS NECESSARY. METRO WIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE SAYING TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU HAVE A GREATER RESPONSIBILITY WITH YOUR KNIFE TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAN OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DO. SO IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THIS.

IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE DOES THIS FIT IN THE OVERALL BUDGET, INSTEAD OF EXPECTING INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PAY FOR IT. SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE ONE TO STOP. AGAIN, I'M ENCOURAGING A YES VOTE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I'D LIKE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A PLAN GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HUDSON. THANK YOU. CHAIR. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR, I ASKED THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION AND ACTION ITEM AT THE BUDGET HEARING TO HAVE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE PROVIDE US WITH A PLAN FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS. HAVEN'T HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THAT. THEY MAY STILL BE WORKING ON IT. THEY MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND WORTH REVISITING. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. GREAT. AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE WERE WHEN COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER AND I WORKED WITH

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BUT I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I THINK IT PROBABLY DOES MAKE SENSE TO. AND HAVING A NEW POLICE CHIEF THAT MIGHT HAVE SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS AND THAT MAY TOO. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SAW. THERE WAS A THERE WAS A PLAN AND THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE ALREADY AS YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, ALREADY FUNDED IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT PLAN AND SAID, WOW, MY DIVISION THREE GOES ON FOREVER. THAT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ISN'T GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. I THINK MY DISTRICT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT USED NEF MONEY TO PAY FOR FLOCK CAMERAS WHEN I DID IT. BECAUSE OF THIS PRECISE ISSUE. I MADE SURE THAT IN EVERY SINGLE AREA THAT WE WERE SUPPLEMENTING, THE CITY WAS PUTTING IN SOME. BUT THEY WERE SUPPLEMENTING EVERY SINGLE ONE. I WAS FUNDING THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND THAT SOME OTHER ENTITY WOULD FUND IT MOVING FORWARD. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE PUT THEM ON THE GROUNDS OF WHERE HOAS WOULD PICK IT UP OR AND I THINK ONE CASE, A SUBURBAN CITY WAS PICKING IT UP. NOW, WITH THAT SAID, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS IS VERY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? I'VE GOT A LOT OF HOAS I'VE GOT AND I'VE GOT A REALLY ONLY 1 OR 2 SUBURBAN CITIES NOW, BUT I'VE GOT A TON OF HOAS, AND THEY WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PICK UP THE COST AS LONG AS I STARTED IT OFF. AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE SAME KIND OF HOA LEVELS FUNDING, RIGHT? AND SO, YEAH, I AGREE. I THINK WE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SUPPORTED IT. THEY FUNDED 100 AND SOME ODD RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO IS THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE ONGOING WITH PUBLIC LIGHTING. I HAVE A NEW ROAD THAT WAS PUT IN MY DISTRICT. IT'S A IT'S A CITY ROAD THAT WAS BUILT BY A DEVELOPER THAT HAS STREET LIGHTS ON IT. THEN THAT ROAD WAS HANDED OFF TO THE CITY. BUT THERE'S NO MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO PAY FOR THE LIGHTING. SO BY THE GRACE OF THE DEVELOPER, THEY'RE CONTINUING TO PAY FOR THE LIGHTING. BUT THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE EITHER. AND I DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO THAT SCENARIO WITH THESE FLOCK CAMERAS, TOO.

SO YEAH, BUT APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN FULLER DOING THIS FOR A DISTRICT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE I DON'T WANT TO PUT HER DISTRICT AND OTHERS IN THESE WEIRD SCENARIOS. SO COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD, THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. AND AGAIN, THIS THESE CAMERAS ARE GOING EVEN ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF DISTRICT 24, WHERE I INTERSECT DISTRICTS 13, 23, DISTRICT TWO. AND THESE WERE CHOSEN BY DETECTIVES. AND IF YOU RECALL, THIS AREA BETWEEN, LIKE 23, 13 AND 20, WE HAVE THE ON AND OFF RAMPS FOR THE SNYDER FREEWAY. WE HAVE THE ON AND OFF RAMPS FOR 65, AND WE'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BULLITT COUNTY LINE, WHICH IS THE BROOKS EXIT TO 65. AND SO HOPEFULLY THESE THE DETECTIVES HAVE PUT IN PLACE PUT THESE WILL BE PUTTING THESE CAMERAS IN PLACE WHERE IT WILL BENEFIT ALL OF ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS AND HOPEFULLY CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THE CRIME OR THE I SAY I'LL CALL THEM GETAWAY ZONES WHERE THEY COME DOWN TO THE SURFACE STREETS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CALLING FOR ROLL CALL VOTE. PLEASE OPEN THE VOTING. COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. RIGHT.

YES. COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANIE. YES. COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER. YES. COUNCILWOMAN. PARKER. YES. CHAIR BLACKWELL, YOU HAVE NINE. YES VOTES. THANK YOU. ITEM PASSES WILL GO TO CONSENT. THAT'S OUR

[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]