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YOU A FULL VERSION OF THE ANALYSIS MAP. AND THEN IT ALSO CONTAINS A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT
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TO THAT THERE'S ALSO JUST A STANDALONE VERSION OF THE ANALYSIS MAP JUST FOR QUICK ACCESS. IF ANYBODY DOESN'T WANT TO USE THE FULL STORY MAP AND THEY WANT TO JUST GET TO THE MAP, PRETTY QUICKLY, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SPLASH SCREEN RIGHT HERE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO BEFORE THEY ENTER THE MAP. AND THEN THIS IS AN INTERACTIVE VERSION OF THE MAP WHERE YOU CAN ZOOM IN, DRAG AROUND, LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS. YOU CAN CLICK ON AN ANCHOR OR AN ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WILL GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF THAT. AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES REPORT AND A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING ARE CONTAINED IN THIS REPORT. THIS REPORT IS ABOUT 75 PAGES. IT HAS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AT THE BEGINNING. THAT'S ABOUT FIVE PAGES. THAT IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD SUMMARY AS IT STATES OF THE STUDY AND OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IF YOU DON'T GET TO ANYTHING ELSE, AT LEAST GET THROUGH THAT FIVE PAGE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, WHICH GIVES YOU A GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS, THE RESULT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STUDY. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE IMPLEMENTATION REPORT, THERE'S A REALLY CONCISE TABLE HERE THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDED ACTIONS FROM THE STUDY IN IN ONE PLACE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT TO GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU CAN READ THROUGH THE TABLE THAT SUMMARIZES ALL OF IT AT THE END. SO I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST THE WEBSITE AND THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL MORE, MORE IN-DEPTH ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT TODAY. OR I CAN JUST KEEP GOING. WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE. OKAY. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING SPECIFIC, LET'S JUST KEEP KEEP MOVING. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WE PUT OUT A I SHOWED A LIST OF THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LAST FEW MEETINGS. SO I WANTED TO PULL OUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STUDY FOR BUILDING HEIGHT. SO THERE WERE FOUR BIG RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT WAS TO REGULATE OUR BUILDING HEIGHT IN STOREYS INSTEAD OF FEET, TO ALLOW UP TO SEVEN STOREYS IN THE SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR AND TOWN CENTER, AND UP TO FIVE STOREYS IN TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR TO ELIMINATE INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT IN ALL FORM DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND TO ELIMINATE THE FORM DISTRICT EDGE TRANSITION STANDARDS. SO THIS IS A LOT OF JARGONY LANGUAGE. SO I THOUGHT WHAT WE'D DO TODAY IS GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE KIND OF PIECE BY PIECE TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO ONE THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS HIT ON REALLY WELL IN THE REPORT BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT, IS THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU CAN SEE? THIS IS A STRAIGHT SCREENSHOT FROM THE REPORT.OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SAID DEFINE MAXIMUM ALLOWED HEIGHTS BY STOREYS RATHER THAN FEET, BUT ALSO TO ALIGN OUR MAXIMUM HEIGHTS TO LOCAL BUILDING CODES AND TO MAXIMIZE DEVELOPMENT FEASIBILITY. SO THE WAY THAT OUR BUILDING CODES ARE SET UP, THERE'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN MODEL OF BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR SOMEONE CREATING THAT BUILDING. THIS GIVES A PRETTY GOOD BREAKDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES AND WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS. THEY SORT OF BREAK IT DOWN INTO LOWEST COST, WHICH IS ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT CAN GENERALLY BE UP TO FOUR STOREYS. THE SORT OF MEDIUM COST IS UP TO SEVEN STOREYS. AND THAT'S USUALLY A WOOD FRAME OVER A CONCRETE PODIUM. GENERALLY EITHER ONE CONCRETE PODIUM OR POSSIBLY TWO CONCRETE PODIUMS, AND THEN UP TO FIVE WOOD STORIES ON TOP OF THAT. AND THEN AFTER YOU GET ABOVE SEVEN STOREYS, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT ALL STEEL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH OFTENTIMES MAKES IT PRETTY COST PROHIBITIVE FOR SOMEONE. SO THIS IS WHY GENERALLY THESE ARE THE BUILDING HEIGHTS THAT WE'RE SEEING BUILT IS BECAUSE OF THESE COST THRESHOLDS THAT ARE HIT WHEN SOMEONE'S LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR A PRO FORMA, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THESE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THE BUILDING CODE AND SAY, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO ABOVE SEVEN STOREYS UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 12 OR 15, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO PENCIL OUT FOR THE CONTRACTOR OR FOR THE DEVELOPER IS IF THEY ADD EVEN MORE HEIGHT ON TOP OF THAT. SO PART OF WHAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING AS PART OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN, IN ADDITION TO DEFINING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT BY STOREYS IS TO TRY TO ALIGN OUR ACTUAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH WHAT IS FEASIBLE IN THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT REALITY. SO HERE ARE OUR CURRENT BUILDING HEIGHT MAXIMUMS FOR EACH FORM DISTRICT. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'LL POINT OUT. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO CURRENT BUILDING HEIGHT MAXIMUM IN DOWNTOWN AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE COLUMN THAT SAYS MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
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THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND ALL OF THAT IS BY FEET. THERE'S A COUPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FORUMS AND TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NEIGHBORHOOD.THE HEIGHT VARIES BASED ON THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO IF IT'S A IF IT'S A LESS INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT, LIKE AN R1 OR R2 RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT HAS THAT 35 FOOT. AND THEN ONCE YOU GET UP INTO HIGHER MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU GET BUMPED UP TO THAT 45 FOOT MAXIMUM. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU SEE THAT DOUBLE HEIGHT MAXIMUM ON THAT ONE. AND THEN WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO HERE ON THE SIDE IS SHOW SORT OF WHAT THE STORY'S EQUIVALENT WOULD BE OF THIS FOOT MAXIMUM, BUT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PUT A STORY TO THESE MEASUREMENTS. AND THAT'S WHY ALL OF THEM SAY 3 TO 4, 4 TO 5, 10 TO 12. BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING A THREE STORY BUILDING, YOU MIGHT HAVE TEN FOOT CEILINGS. YOU MIGHT HAVE 12 FOOT CEILINGS. IF YOU'RE BUILDING MIXED USE, YOU MIGHT HAVE 14 OR 15 FOOT CEILINGS ON THE BOTTOM. AND THAT ALL STILL PENCILS OUT TO A THREE STORY BUILDING, BUT A THREE STORY BUILDING MIGHT BE 35FT, AND IT ALSO MIGHT BE 38FT, OR IT MIGHT BE 40FT, BUT IT'S STILL THREE STORIES AND IT KIND OF JUST DEPENDS ON THE PRODUCT THAT'S BEING DELIVERED BY THE DEVELOPER. IF IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL, YOU MIGHT BE GETTING TEN 12 FOOT CEILINGS IN THE WHOLE THING. IF IT'S GOT FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL, YOU MIGHT BE GETTING TALLER CEILINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS AND IN THE CURRENT WAY THAT WE MEASURE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE A STRAIGHT FOOT ALLOWANCE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THREE STORIES AND IT'S 35 VERSUS 37.5, IF YOU GO OVER THAT 35 FOOT MAXIMUM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND SO ADDING TO THIS CHART HERE WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED MAXIMUM HEIGHT FROM THE HOUSING AND MIXED USE STUDY. YOU CAN SEE IN YELLOW. THOSE ARE WHERE WE WOULD BE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY JUST SHIFTING THE MEASUREMENT FROM FEET TO STOREYS. BUT WE'D BE MAINTAINING THE SAME BUILDING HEIGHT ON THE GROUND. SO IN THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE DOWNTOWN AND IN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD FORMS, WE'RE STICKING WITH THE SAME THING. MOST LIKELY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THREE STORIES FOR THE LESS INTENSE, FOUR STORIES FOR THE MORE INTENSE THE COLUMNS THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN ARE AREAS WHERE THE HOUSING AND MIXED USE STUDY RECOMMENDS A CHANGE IN THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, AND THESE ARE ALONG THE AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. OUR MARKETPLACE CORRIDORS, TOWN CENTERS, REGIONAL CENTERS, THE AREAS THAT ARE CENTERS, CENTERS OF ACTIVITY AND CONTAIN MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND AMENITIES. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR FIVE STORIES IN TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR, SEVEN STORIES IN TOWN CENTER, AND THEN SEVEN STORIES IN SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR, AND THEN 12 STORIES IN REGIONAL CENTER AND CAMPUS FOR THE TWO WORKPLACE FORM DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE FORM DISTRICTS WHERE THAT'S WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE. THERE'S A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USES, OFFICE PARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE TWO PROBABLY HAVE TWO SEPARATE HEIGHT DESIGNATIONS, ONE STORY DESIGNATION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE, AND THEN MAINTAINING THAT ACTUAL FOOT MEASUREMENT FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. JUST BECAUSE A WAREHOUSE CAN'T SIMPLY FIT INTO THAT THREE STORY MAXIMUM. IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME KIND OF CONSTRUCTION CAN I STOP YOU THERE FOR A QUICK SECOND AND ASK TWO QUESTIONS? ONE IF, AS A GROUP, WE DECIDED TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, WHAT WOULD THE IDENTIFICATION FROM A MAP PERSPECTIVE LOOK LIKE? THE STUDY HAS ALREADY DONE THAT KIND OF GENERALLY SPEAKING. I MEAN, WOULD WE GO THROUGH THAT MAP AS A BODY AND SAY, WELL, I DON'T THINK THE TOWN CENTER SHOULD BE THE LINE FOR THE TOWN CENTER SHOULD BE DRAWN HERE AND HERE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE DRAWN OVER HERE. I MEAN, IS THAT THE PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH AS WE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND FIGURE OUT THE DIRECTION WE WANTED TO GO. SO THE WAY THIS IS SET UP IS JUST USING OUR EXISTING FORM DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. SO THE EXISTING FORM DISTRICT BOUNDARIES THAT WE HAVE, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THOSE MAP BOUNDARIES WAS WAS BE OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN WE WOULD JUST BE CHANGING WHAT THE ACTUAL REGULATIONS ARE WITHIN THOSE EXISTING FORM DISTRICTS.
NOW IF WE WANTED, IF ANYONE WAS INTERESTED IN THIS BODY OF CHANGING THE MAP DESIGNATIONS OF THE FORM DISTRICTS, THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CAN DISCUSS. BUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE IN A SORT OF IN A SEPARATE, IN A SEPARATE FORUM THAN ACTUALLY CHANGING THE REGULATIONS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL FORM DISTRICT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING, JUST BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY THINKING IT IS AND I KNOW YOU'VE YOU'VE PULLED OUT
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BUILDING HEIGHT AS WHAT YOU'RE FOCUSING ON HERE. HOW DOES BUILDING HEIGHT RELATE TO DENSITY RESTRICTIONS? CAN WE TALK JUST VERY QUICKLY ABOUT THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT? SURE. SO THE BUILDING HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, BUT WE'LL REITERATE THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS BROKEN DOWN INTO ZONING DISTRICTS AND FORM DISTRICTS. THE DENSITY IS LOCATED IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS CHAPTER. THAT'S CHAPTER TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THE DENSITY IS A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR EACH ZONING DISTRICT. THE FORM DISTRICT IS WHAT CONTROLS THE DESIGN. AND THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS LOCATED AT RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT BECAUSE OF BUILDING HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, ESPECIALLY ON OUR COMMERCIAL ZONES, IN OUR AREAS, ALONG OUR CORRIDORS, WE ARE NOT ACHIEVING THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOWED IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND OTHER DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE LIMITING THE DESIGN. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH LAND ON A SITE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ADD IN THE HEIGHT MAXIMUMS, THE SETBACKS, ALL OF THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. THAT DOESN'T OFTEN LET A DEVELOPER ACTUALLY REACH THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT'S ALLOWED IN A ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE NOT AIMING TO CHANGE ANY OF THE DENSITY CALCULATIONS IN CHAPTER TWO.WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO REACH THE CAPACITY THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN ABLE TO REACH RIGHT NOW. THAT'S EXTREMELY WELL SAID, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO SAY IT IN THIS CONTEXT, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, THANK YOU. SPECIFIC TO THE SLIDE. AND I KNEW THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROBLEM, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE RECTIFYING IT BECAUSE IT TO SOME DEGREE DIDN'T MAKE SENSE THAT WE HAVE OVERLAID OR WE HAVE FORM DISTRICTS OVERLAYING ZONING AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HIT THE MAX DENSITY ON ZONING. WITH THAT SAID, THERE I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE IN THIS CHART WHERE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE REDUCED THE HEIGHT, AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I'LL SPECIFICALLY CITE TOWN CENTER REDUCED FROM 10 TO 12 STORIES TO SEVEN. REGIONAL CENTER, WE TOOK THE LEAST. AND THEN CAMPUS, WE TOOK THE LEAST OF THE CURRENT RANGE. SO WHY WOULD WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THOSE THREE AREAS? SURE. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID THESE ARE JUST THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE GOT FROM THAT HOUSING AND MIXED USE STUDY. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT LIKE WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN A DRAFT. AND SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK. I THINK THESE ARE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS STILL OPEN TO DISCUSSION AND VERY OPEN TO ANY CHANGES THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD. THIS IS WHAT WAS JUST RECOMMENDED IN THE STUDY ITSELF. I GET THAT. SO LET ME SAY THIS AS A FOLLOW UP. I GET WHY WE INCREASED. YOU GAVE JUST A STORY A SECOND AGO THAT EXPLAINS WHY WE INCREASED IN SOME AREAS. BUT THEN THERE'S OTHERS. WE DECREASED. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHY THERE MIGHT BE A DARN GOOD REASON, RIGHT? I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHY SOME WERE INCREASES AND SOME WERE DECREASES. I THINK THE REASON I WE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION WHEN WE WERE DELIVERING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT TOWN CENTER AND THE REASON THAT WE WERE GIVEN FROM OPTICOS DESIGN, WHO CREATED IT, WAS THAT THEY FELT THAT, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THOSE CONSTRUCTION TRENDS, TO WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF GOING TO GET SEVEN STORIES AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET EIGHT, 9 OR 10, YOU MIGHT GET 11, 12 UP THAT WHEN YOU GET TO STEAL THEIR OPINION, WAS THAT SEVEN STORIES WAS APPROPRIATE FOR TOWN CENTER INSTEAD OF SOME GOING TO SOMETHING LIKE 12. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY GAVE. THEY FELT THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE BUILT FORM AND THE DESIRED FORM OF TOWN CENTER, AS IT'S DESCRIBED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT SEVEN STORIES WAS APPROPRIATE. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY OPEN TO ANY, ANY CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE MAY WANT TO RECOMMEND IN AN ACTUAL DRAFT OF LEGISLATION.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR AND LET ME RESTATE IT, YOU TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT, THAT ESSENTIALLY IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES, IT WAS DUE TO MATCHING THE HEIGHT TO FORM? YES. THEY FELT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE. YEAH. THEY FELT THAT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE TO LOWER THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENT IN THOSE DISTRICTS. THEY FELT THAT OUR CURRENT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO HIGH. OKAY. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. BUT BUT BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ARE BUILDING TO CERTAIN HEIGHTS CURRENTLY WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NECESSARILY ARTIFICIALLY CAP, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR HEIGHT BASED ON THAT BECAUSE THINGS LIKE MULTI STORY MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS A REAL THING RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S REALLY CHANGING TECHNOLOGY. SO I THINK IT'S A IT'S A REALLY EXCELLENT POINT THAT YOU BRING UP. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, YOU ASKED THAT
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QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CHANGE FROM WOOD FRAME TO STEEL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE STEEL ONES ACTUALLY TEND TO BE A LOT MORE MASSIVE ON THEIR FOOTPRINT. ALSO, DON'T THEY? I THEY MIGHT TEND TO BE. UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, SO I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE. BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT'S DEFINITELY ONCE YOU GET TO STEEL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A LOT MORE HEIGHT OUT OF IT TO MAKE IT COST EFFECTIVE. YEAH. AND YOU GOT TO GET A LOT MORE APARTMENTS OUT OF IT. SO INSTEAD OF BEING A NARROW BUILDING ALONG A STREET, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH WIDER AND DEEPER TO JUST TO GET THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT OUT OF IT POTENTIALLY. YEAH. AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO BUILD MORE THAN JUST RESIDENTIAL IN A BUILDING LIKE THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO HAVE MULTIPLE USES IN A SINGLE BUILDING. AGAIN, TO MAKE IT COST EFFECTIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR NOI AND YOUR INCOME ON THAT PROPERTY IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE COST OF THE OF THE STEEL FOR SURE. HOWEVER, YOU DO THAT RIGHT, MR. CHAIR, THAT YES, COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH.RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WAS THINKING THAT TOO. I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO THIS AND THINKING ABOUT THE QUESTIONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES ASKED, IT MADE ME THINK OF SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND ONE PARK AND ITS DESIGN AND THE MIXED USE OF IT, AND THEN THE HEIGHT OF WHAT THE HOTEL WOULD BE. AND SO BUT I DO, I DO LIKE THE, THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH HERE TO THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD IT SO HIGH WITH THESE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAXIMIZE WHAT'S ALLOWED AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST AS NEEDED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME WITH THE ONE PARK DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER FACTORS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT. RACHEL THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT KIND OF COVERS THAT ONE THING I THOUGHT MIGHT COME UP AND IS JUST JUST INTERESTING TO DISCUSS HERE IS THAT IF WE DO MOVE TO A HEIGHT MEASUREMENT OF STORIES RATHER THAN FEET, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR STORY. THE MOST COMMON DEFINITIONS THAT YOU SEE ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE EITHER USUALLY DEFINED AS EITHER THE SPACE BETWEEN THE FLOOR AND THE CEILING ABOVE, OR SOMETIMES THE SPACE BETWEEN THE FLOOR AND THE BOTTOM OF THE NEXT FLOOR ABOVE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC VERSION OF THAT OUTLINED FOR THE LDC YET, BUT THAT IS PROBABLY THE GENERAL DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD HEAD IN. AND THEN THAT STORY HEIGHT AGAIN, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT CAN BE TAILORED FOR EACH FORM DISTRICT TO REFLECT THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. SO IF IT IS MORE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND WE KNOW THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT 15 FOOT CEILINGS ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR RETAIL, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINE IN EACH FORM DISTRICT. AND THEN AGAIN, I KIND OF JUST PUT THIS PHOTO ON HERE. THIS IS MARKET STREET IN NULU, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHEN WE GET TO THE CRUX OF HEIGHT. AND STORIES ARE NOT REALLY THE SAME THING. THEY DON'T LINK UP. YOU COULD SAY THAT ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORIES, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF, BUT TWO AND A HALF TO THREE STORIES. BUT EACH ONE OF THEM HAS A DIFFERENT HEIGHT IN FOOT MEASUREMENT, BUT IT IS HAVING THE SAME IMPACT, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BLOCK FACE THAT HAS THESE BUILDINGS ON IT, YOU SAY, YEAH, THOSE ARE THERE'S THREE STORY BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IN 2FT OR 3FT OR FOUR FEET ISN'T MAKING A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE OR IMPACT ON, ON THE STREET. SO THE OTHER TWO THAT WE'LL COVER WERE THE INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS VAGUELY, BUT I WANTED TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL. SO WHAT OUR INFILL STANDARDS AND WHEN DO THEY APPLY. SO INFILL STANDARDS IN TRADITIONAL FORMS ARE WHERE 50% OR MORE OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE SAME BLOCK FACE HAVE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES. AND THEN IN SUBURBAN FORMS, IT'S WHERE 50% OR MORE OF EITHER THE LOTS OR STREET FRONTAGE WITHIN 500FT OF A SITE HAVE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE ON A STREET OR A BLOCK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALREADY BUILT OUT, AND IT'S JUST A VACANT LOT THAT'S RIGHT THERE. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S ON THAT VACANT LOT IS SORT OF MEETING WHAT'S AROUND IT. SO FOR INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT, THIS IS ONLY REQUIRED IN TRADITIONAL FORMS. SO FOR THE SUBURBAN FORMS THERE'S NO INFILL INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT NOW. AND SO THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THESE WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE JUST SUBJECT TO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE FORM DISTRICT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT INFILL. BUT IN TRADITIONAL FORMS, WHICH INCLUDES TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE, TRADITIONAL WORKPLACE, TOWN CENTER, ALL OF THESE FORMS ARE CURRENTLY SUBJECT TO INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT. AND THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE CODE HERE THAT SAYS BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL FALL WITHIN THE RANGE OF BUILDING HEIGHTS OF EXISTING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE BLOCK FACE. IN CASES WHERE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT ALLOWED IS GREATER THAN THE ESTABLISHED RANGE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WITHIN THE RANGE
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MAY BE EXCEEDED BY UP TO 25%. SO ALREADY RIGHT THERE THAT'S A THAT'S COMPLEX. THAT'S JUST A COMPLEX JARGONY SENTENCE TO BEGIN WITH. BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT THE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF YOUR INFILL LOT FOR THE HEIGHT, YOU HAVE TO FALL WITHIN THAT RANGE.SO IF YOU'RE ON TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT RIGHT NOW IS 45FT, IF YOU'RE THE TWO BUILDINGS AROUND, YOU ARE ONLY 30FT. YOU CAN'T GO, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT TO 45FT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND YOU, AND THAT GOES BACK AGAIN TO THIS IDEA OF, WE'RE NOT MEETING THE CAPACITY THAT THE CODE EVEN ALLOWS. BECAUSE OF THESE EXTRA RESTRICTIONS. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE STUDY ARE TO ONLY APPLY TO TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO ELIMINATE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE, TOWN CENTER AND TRADITIONAL WORKPLACE FROM INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO TO WITHIN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE INFILL IS MAINTAINED TO ALLOW THE ESTABLISHED HEIGHT TO BE EXCEEDED BY ONE STORY. SO INSTEAD OF THAT 25%, YOU WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO GO ONE STORY ABOVE. SO I SORT OF USE THIS EXAMPLE HERE. THIS IS IN WEST LOUISVILLE ON MUHAMMAD ALI BOULEVARD. THERE'S WE HAVE A BUILT OUT NEIGHBORHOOD IN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE'S A VACANT LOT RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE UNDER INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO HIGHER THAN TWO STORIES ON THIS BLOCK, WHICH IS WHICH IS APPROPRIATE.
BUT UNDER THIS RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD BE THAT YOU COULD EXCEED THAT BY UP TO ONE. SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET UP TO A THREE STORY BUILDING ON THIS BLOCK, WHICH WOULD STILL FALL WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE RANGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OBVIOUSLY, IN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE NOT GOING FROM A ONE STORY TO A THREE STORY IF THE ENTIRE BLOCK IS ONE STORY, BUILDINGS, BUT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO GO FROM TWO STORIES TO THREE OR FROM ONE STORY TO TWO. AND SO THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE STUDY HAS FOR INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT. AND THEN LASTLY, THE OTHER THING THAT OFTEN HINDERS HEIGHT OR IN OUR DEVELOPMENT IS THE FORM DISTRICT TRANSITION STANDARDS. SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS THAT APPLY WHEN A PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A BORDER BETWEEN FORM DISTRICTS AND THEN THERE ARE SPECIFIC TRANSITION ZONES ESTABLISHED BASED ON WHAT THOSE TWO ABUTTING FORM DISTRICTS ARE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS AGAIN A DIRECT PULL FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS CHART THAT SHOWS WHAT THE MEASUREMENT OF THE TRANSITION ZONE WOULD BE. AND THEN IF A TRANSITION ZONE COVERS MORE THAN 50% OF A PROPERTY, THEN THE TRANSITION STANDARDS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE SITE. SO IF YOU'RE ON A TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDO, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE ON BARDSTOWN ROAD, FRANKFORT AVENUE, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE IN THE TRANSITION AREA BECAUSE THEY ABUT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE REAR. IF MORE THAN 50% OF YOUR LOT IS COVERED BY THE TRANSITION ZONE, WHICH IS 200FT, THEN YOU HAVE TO APPLY THAT TRANSITION STANDARD TO THE ENTIRE SITE. AND SO THE TRANSITION STANDARD FOR HEIGHT, NO MATTER WHAT FORM DISTRICT IT IS, IS TO NOT EXCEED 45FT REGARDLESS OF FORM. SO A TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR, CURRENTLY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 50. ON SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR IT'S 60.
YOU CAN'T EVEN GET UP TO 50 OR 60FT IF YOU FALL WITHIN THIS TRANSITION ZONE. AND SO AGAIN, ANOTHER THING THAT'S HINDERING OUR DEVELOPMENT FROM REACHING ITS FULL POTENTIAL. AND SO FOR THE TRANSITION STANDARDS RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE'S JUST ONE. IT'S JUST TO ELIMINATE THEM TO JUST GET RID OF THEM. OUR EXISTING REGULATION OR THE EXISTING REGULATIONS. LIKE I SAID THEY PREVENT REACHING MAXIMUM HEIGHT CAPACITY. AND THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER, THERE'S LOTS OF PIECES TO THE CODE, LOTS OF DIFFERENT CHAPTERS, AND WE HAVE SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND OTHER TYPES OF BUFFER REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER TEN OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT PROVIDE ADEQUATE TRANSITION BETWEEN INCOMPATIBLE USES. SO WE HAVE FENCING REQUIREMENTS, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALSO ADDED ON TO DEVELOPMENT THAT HELP WITH THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, A MIXED USE BUILDING ON BARDSTOWN ROAD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT. SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE ON BUILDING HEIGHT. THOSE WERE THE FOUR BIG RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE KIND OF DRILLED DOWN INTO IN MORE DETAIL. JUST TO REITERATE, THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE STUDY HERE, THE DRAFT MATERIALS ARE HOSTED ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AS I SAID, WE DO HAVE A PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 28TH, 2024 AND THEN A PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE DETERMINED AFTER THAT. THIS PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ARE JUST TO ADOPT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS MAP AS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN 2040. IT'S NOT FOR INTRODUCING ANY NEW LEGISLATIONS OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S JUST TO ADOPT IT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN AFTER THAT IS AMENDED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WHEN THE OFFICE OF PLANNING WILL BEGIN DRAFTING CHANGES TO THE LDC BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL BE SURELY A LENGTHY PROCESS WITH MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
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PUBLIC INPUT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU GUYS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY. COULD WE? I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND THREE MINUTES ON MIDDLE HOUSING AND WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN SUBURBAN FORM DISTRICTS, AND WHAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN SUBURBAN FORM DISTRICTS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING AN AWFUL LOT OF CONCERN FROM PEOPLE ON THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION. YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT SHORTLY, SHORTLY TO TRY TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THE CONFUSION? SURE. WE CAN. WE CAN DO THAT ONE THING RIGHT OFF THE BAT WITH MIDDLE HOUSING IS AFTER WE DID THE INITIAL DRAFT IN MARCH, AND THEN WE DID THE ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN MAY, WE HAD OUR FOUR OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT WE DID IN THE SUMMER. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON DRAFTING AN UPDATE BASED ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, AND SO WE HAVE NOT RELEASED THAT UPDATE YET. HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL REALLY HELP CLARIFY SOME OF THE CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY IN SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HEARD, OBVIOUSLY, AND WE KNOW FROM OUR OWN EXPERIENCES IS AS LAND PLANNERS, IS THAT THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HAVE A LOT OF DISCONNECTION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD WALKABLE COMMUNITIES WITH MIDDLE HOUSING AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK IF THERE'S NOWHERE TO WALK. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED IN THE NEW DRAFT. THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS IN SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DUPLEX, TRIPLEX AND FOURPLEX BUILDINGS. AND THEN ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PAVEMENT WIDTH BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT THE SITING OF INDIVIDUAL DUPLEX BUILDINGS ON, YOU KNOW, EAST MANSLICK ROAD, WHERE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A RURAL COUNTY ROAD, WHERE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CONCERN, WE'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION AS WELL THAT'LL THAT'LL COME OUT WITH THIS, SOME INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE BUILDING COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS NOT FEASIBLE AS FAR AS CONVERSION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES GOES. AND THEN AS WELL AS WHAT IS AND IS NOT FEASIBLE AS FAR AS DEMOLITION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES GOES. AND SO WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION COMING. LIKE I SAID, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO THAT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AS WELL. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND FOR CLARIFYING. I'VE SAID THIS TO PEOPLE PRIVATELY, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, INCLUDING SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS. I ACTUALLY THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE, FROM A COMMUNICATION POINT OF VIEW, BOTCHED THIS UP A LITTLE BIT BY LUMPING EVERYTHING INTO A PROPOSAL CALLED MIDDLE HOUSING, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT LEAST MY CONSTITUENTS HEARD IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY ALL ARE FOR WHICH THERE'S HUGE SWATHS OF PARTICULARLY EVEN RURAL AREAS IN MY DISTRICT, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY LINE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED R-4, IT SHOULDN'T BE, RIGHT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HEARD WAS, OKAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE AUTOMATIC ADDITIONAL DENSITY. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP, YOU KNOW, DENSE HOUSING IN THESE AREAS. AND NOW THEY ASSOCIATE THAT IDEA WITH MIDDLE HOUSING, WHEN IN REALITY MIDDLE HOUSING IS JUST A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT IS IN BETWEEN DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS. RIGHT. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, LIKE MY DISTRICT ISN'T AGAINST OR MOST PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COMPLAIN, THEY DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT MIDDLE HOUSING, LIKE THEY'RE FINE WITH DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES. AND WE HAVE TOWNHOUSES BEING BUILT IN MY DISTRICT. RIGHT. THIS SECOND OFF OF. OH, RIGHT. BY THE APARTMENTS. RIGHT BY TARA APARTMENT. ANYWAY, WE HAVE NEW TOWNHOUSES BEING BUILT CURRENTLY AND WE HAVE EXISTING TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS. WE LOVE THIS STUF. BUT AND THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT. IT WAS JUST THE, THE THIS QUESTION OF BY RIGHT DENSITY IN R4 RIGHT IS REALLY BEEN THE QUESTION. SO GLAD THAT WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. THERE. WHAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT WAS YOU. YOU MENTIONED YOU TALK ABOUT INFILL IN HERE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC TYPE OF INFILL. AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST AN IDEA TO BE POSED FOR A FUTURE CONVERSATION ON THIS. I'VE STARTED WITH THE HELP OF THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDIT AND AUDIT OF THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE, WHICH MANY PEOPLE HERE MAY BE AWARE OF. THE PUBLIC. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SECTION OF THE COUNTY THAT I'LL CALL BRACKETS. THE GENE SNYDER AND FOLLOWS FROM THE NORTHEAST TO SORT OF THE SOUTHEAST AND HAS ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WELL, AT THIS POINT IS PAYING OFF A BOND. BUT THAT HELPED WITH ROAD CONSTRUCTION TO WIDEN CERTAIN ROADS AND MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. TAKING
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A LOOK AT THAT, TAKING A LOOK AT POTENTIALLY UPDATING THAT LEGISLATION. BUT I YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I LOOK AT THESE SORT OF DISPROPORTIONATE SPEED OF DEVELOPMENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND DISTRICTS ACROSS THE CITY, AND I'M WONDERING BECAUSE WHEN WE START TALKING DENSITY AND BUILDING UP RIGHT, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME TO US. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY GOT TO COME TO US FOR A TIFF AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? NOT ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT A LOT DO. RIGHT. AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS. AND HAVE YOU GUYS CONTEMPLATED YET SOME IDEA OF, OKAY, WE HAVE THESE AREAS WHERE WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT SOME OF THIS RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, BUT WE HAVE OTHER I'LL USE A BROADER DEFINITION OF INFILL, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT HERE, BUT BUT JUST YOU KNOW, BUILDING RESIDENTIAL IN AN AREA THAT HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT AS A BROAD DEFINITION. AND CAN WE CREATE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES COULD BE MUCH SMALLER THAN A TIF, BUT MAYBE A FIVE YEAR BREAK ON CERTAIN PROPERTY TAXES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT. THAT ARE AUTOMATIC INCENTIVES TO MAKE MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU START TALKING STEEL AND THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT COST MORE MONEY THAN STICK BUILDS, HAS THAT BEEN COMPLETED? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE RADAR SCREEN? AND IF NOT, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN, BUT JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION. SUR, I'LL LET BRIAN DO THAT. I'M FAMILIAR WITH ASSISTANT DEVELOPMENT CHARGE, BUT BRIAN WAS AROUND WHEN IT WAS CREATED, SO WELL, YEAH, WHICH MEANS YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. YOU CAN SEE I'M OLD. NO. WELL, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE AND SEE WHAT'S BEEN ABLE TO COME OUT OF THAT. I MEAN, WE ARE RECOGNIZING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE MAP THAT THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION STUDY HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO FOCUS ON CORRIDORS WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, EITHER ABOUT THIS OR ABOUT THE MIDDLE HOUSING DRAFT THAT THAT WAS OUT THERE WAS LIKE, WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE. AND THEN LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT HAPPENS? AND, AND I DON'T HAVE THE QUICK SOLUTION, BUT I THINK IT IS A GOOD, GOOD TOPIC FOR US TO KIND OF EXPLORE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING, WHAT WE'RE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING HERE IN KENTUCKY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FAMOUSLY NOT ABLE TO DO IMPACT FEES. AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT CAN WE DO AS A COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS ADDITIONAL INFILL AND GROWTH THAT, THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. SO YOU SAID WE CAN'T DO IMPACT FEES, CORRECT? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE RIGHT, WHEN I THINK I'VE LEARNED EVERYTHING THERE IS TO LEARN ABOUT BUILDING IN THIS COMMUNITY, I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW. SO WHAT IS I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT AN IMPACT FEE IS JUST BY THE TITLE, WHICH IS YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, THERE'S AN IMPACT. ERGO YOU HAVE A FEE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY, RIGHT? YES. THAT IS ILLEGAL IN KENTUCKY. YES. YEAH. SO LIKE OTHER OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE YOU GO AND BUILD AND THEN OKAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WANTING TO CONSTRUCT THIS. WELL HERE'S YOUR THERE'S A FEE ASSOCIATED, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY GO TOWARDS SCHOOL IMPROVEMENTS. THERE'S A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH WITH VARIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU KNOW WE CAN REQUIRE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION TO BE A PART OF A, AN APPROVAL. BUT LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE COLLECTING FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE THAT ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH LIKE BUILDING PERMITS AND SUCH, TYPICALLY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. SO I SUPPOSE THAT'S OKAY. SO THIS IS EVEN MORE INFORMATION THAT I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE. SO I SUPPOSE THIS IS WHY THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE WAS CREATED, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A QUOTE. IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THIS. AND YET IT ACCOMPLISHES SOMETHING OF A GOAL TO HELP OFFSET INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. RIGHT? OKAY. BUT BUT IT IT IS NOT DIRECTLY AN IMPACT FEE ASSOCIATED WITH. YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY DID NOT MAKE IT A SORT OF ONE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY STRUCTURED IT. IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AN IMPACT FEE, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO LEGALLY DO IT.RIGHT. CORRECT. YES. INTERESTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE SAYING. AND I'M NOT 100% CLEAR ON IT, BUT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CREATING TAX INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AND OTHER THINGS.
AND BECAUSE WE CAN'T GIVE A TAX BREAK ON THE PORTIONS OF OUR OF OUR THAT GO TO JCPS AND THAT GO TO TARC BY DOING THAT LOCALLY, IT DOESN'T CREATE A HUGE INCENTIVE FOR BUILDERS. SO IT SEEMS WHAT THEY DID IN OHIO WAS THEY DID A STATE TAX MORATORIUM OR NOT MORATORIUM, I GUESS, FOR 15 YEARS. IF YOU BUILD A RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND SO IF WE COULD DO THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENORMOUSLY HELPFUL. YEAH. AND I GET IT. AND LOOK, I'VE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I STILL HAVE A MORTGAGE ON MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE, SO, BUT I GET MY, I
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LOOK, I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF THOSE WEIRDOS THAT LOOKS AT THE SHERIFF'S NOTICE NOTICE. AND YES, I KNOW THAT OUR PROPERTY TAX RATE, PARTICULARLY OUTSIDE OF THE USD, IS THE VAST MINORITY OF THE OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL. AND THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I I'LL EXPLORE FLIPPING ANYTHING THAT BECAUSE THE WEIRD THING THAT I'VE WATCHED OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS IS I GET AND IN ONE CASE WAS ACTUALLY MADE FUN OF BECAUSE I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SPEED OF DEVELOPMENT OF MY DISTRICT, BECAUSE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE LIKE, I WOULD DIE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, LIKE, YOU'VE GOT. RIGHT? AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, NO, I GET IT. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO HAVE SOME. RIGHT? IT'S SORT OF MY POINT. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I IT'S A FINE LINE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. LITERALLY MONKEYING WITH THE FREE MARKET. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS A COST DIFFERENTIAL ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS BETWEEN MY DISTRICT AND OTHER DISTRICTS. AND SO IF WE CAN REFLECT THAT IN INCENTIVES AND TO YOUR POINT, IF WE HAVE TO TALK TO THE STATE ABOUT IT, I THINK AGAIN, I THINK MY STATE REPS MAY BE VERY MOTIVATED TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROUGH BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY ACKNOWLEDGE WE NEED TO BUILD MORE HOUSING. THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT ALL IN THE SAME SPOT AT THE SAME TIME.AND WOULD RATHER SOME OTHER DISTRICTS GET, YOU KNOW, SOME NEW HOUSING THAT WAS APPROPRIATE AND ALL THE CAVEATS. RIGHT? SO OKAY, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO MY STATE REPS ABOUT IT AND SEE IF THEY'LL CONSIDER IT. THANK YOU. ANY ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS? I DON'T SEE ANYONE. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. SO IF WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS IN FRONT OF US, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I CAUGHT YOUR EYE AND I WAS LIKE, NOBODY HERE, BUT YOU DID PRETTY GOOD.
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