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AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. I'M COUNCILWOMAN MADONNA FLOOD,
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CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED TODAY BY MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN SCOTT READ, VIRTUALLY, ALSO JOINED BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN KHALIL BACHON, COUNCILMAN ANDREW OWEN, COUNCILMAN BEN WEBER, COUNCILMAN ROBIN ENGEL, COUNCILMAN PHILIP BAKER, HEY, PHILIP. AND COUNCILMAN STUART BENSON AND COUNCILWOMAN BETSY ROOY. THEY ALL HAVE LEGISLATION IN THIS COMMITTEE TODAY. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE HELD. AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER THREE, NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER EIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS[1. O-219-24 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1215-1221 OLD FERN VALLEY ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 2.4078 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 23ZONE0125). Action Required By: December 5, 2024 **Council Member Betsy Ruhe (D-21) can vote on this zoning change** Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING AND PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 12, 15, 12 THROUGH 1221. OLD FERN VALLEY ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 2.4078 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 23, ZONE 0125. MOTION SECOND, PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, BRIAN DAVIS, LOUISVILLE METRO OFFICE OF PLANNING. THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 23, ZONE 125 FOR THE CORRESPONDING PROPERTY ON OLD FERN VALLEY ROAD. THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION ARE 1215. THE 1221 OLD FERN VALLEY ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 21. THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION ARE OUTLINED IN BLUE ON THE MAP THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY USED FOR RESIDENTIAL. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE ON THE SITE. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R4. THEY ARE PROPOSING A CCM, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING. ONE OF OUR HYBRID DISTRICTS. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A VARIETY OF ZONINGS IN THE AREA. WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF R4 PROPERTIES IN THIS STRETCH OF ROAD CONVERT TO EITHER A CCM OR AN EASY ONE. COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO CCM. COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING. YOU SAW THE THREE PARCELS OUTLINED THERE. TWO OF THEM ARE UNDEVELOPED AND ONE IS DEVELOPED. THE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL BE REMOVED. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING CONTRACTOR SHOPS WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON THE SITE. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO THE YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTIES INVOLVED.THERE'S THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HERE THAT WOULD REMAIN AND THEN SOME PARKING UP TOWARDS THE REAR. THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THESE ARE SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A MIXTURE OF KIND OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL ALONG THAT WHOLE OLD FERN VALLEY ROAD CORRIDOR. THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH TWO, 2023. LAND DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS ON AUGUST 8TH, 2024, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2024. THE MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL THAT CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO CM THAT PASSED BY A VOTE OF 7 TO 0. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? COUNCILMAN BACHON THANK YOU, CHAIR FLOOD, IS THERE A SIDEWALKS ON HERE OR ARE THEY OR IS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT SIDEWALK? ARE THEY GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN. THEY DID NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR SIDEWALKS. SO NO, AND I DID I MISSPOKE. THE EXISTING HOUSE IS STAYING. SO THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGES ON OR CHANGES TO THE SITE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, INITIATE THAT SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT. SO THAT'S WHY THERE AREN'T ANY SIDEWALKS ON. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. YEAH. WHAT TOOK THAT? SO LONG TO GET FROM SEPTEMBER OR FROM WAS SEPTEMBER 23RD TO NOW TO GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM. I MEAN, THERE WAS JUST A DELAY BETWEEN THE INITIAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WAS CONDUCTED AND THEN THE SUBMITTAL OF THE FORMAL APPLICATION AND THEN WE WERE JUST WAITING ON VARIOUS REVISIONS FROM THE APPLICANT TO COME IN BEFORE WE COULD DOCKET IT TO GO THROUGH LDA AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.
THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD BEFORE I GO ON? SURE. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPOSAL HERE. AS NOTED ON THERE, THERE'S VERY LITTLE RESIDENTIAL LEFT ON THIS ROAD. IT'S SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE BECAUSE THEY HOPE TO SELL THE PROPERTY EVENTUALLY. SO THEY'RE GETTING THEIR REZONING NOW TO HOPEFULLY INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY ARE READY TO
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SELL IT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE. THANK YOU. NOW THIS IS CLOSE TO THE OLD WHERE THE OLD PRESTON HIGHWAY DRIVE-IN USED TO BE, RIGHT? KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW. BUT PRESTON AND OLD FERN VALLEY. YEAH, YEAH. AND CODISPOTI, ANYBODY THAT GREW UP IN THAT AREA PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THAT NAME, BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE A FAMILY OWNED COTTAGE BODY RESTAURANT, ITALIAN RESTAURANT THAT WAS BIG IN THE AREA BACK IN THE DAY. COUNCILMAN ANDREW OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY I DIDN'T THINK TO LOOK DEEPER INTO THIS WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE, I SEE SOME LARGE, MATURE TREES, AND I ALSO SEE FRONTING THE ROAD AND THEN GOING BACK WHAT LOOKS LIKE A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT IN THIS PICTURE IS FULL OF WATER. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T THINK TO LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT THE AT THE FILE TO IT PROBABLY SAYS IT IN THE FILE BUT ARE THE ARE ANY OF THOSE TREES GOING TO BE PRESERVED. NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, WAS THERE ANY MENTION OF KIND OF WATERSHED AND DEALING WITH THAT WATER THAT'S CLEARLY STANDING THERE IN THAT, IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH. I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IN REGARDS TO LIKE DETENTION. BUT BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY MAJOR SITE WORK THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INITIATED AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE DITCH WHERE IT GOES. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK AT IF AND IF THERE IS STANDING WATER, THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. WHENEVER YOU HAVE WATER THAT TENDS TO POND AND STAND, IT NEEDS TO GET MOVING OFF SITE. OKAY. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER BATSON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO QUESTION NUMBER ONE WAS GOING TO ASK THAT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT ANDREW JUST ASKED. SO THANKS FOR THAT ANSWER BRIAN. PART TWO IS THERE GOING TO BE A OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHENEVER THEY DECIDE OR SELL THE PROPERTY, AND SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ON THERE, RIGHT.WELL, WELL, THEY WOULD YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE PROPOSING JUST MINIMAL USE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THERE. NOW, IF THEY WERE TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND DO ANY KIND OF REVISIONS AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE, THEN THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK AND DO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR OTHER COMMITTEES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE READY TO VOT. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. WHAT IS CAUSING. THE CHAIR. FLOOD. YOU HAVE EIGHT? YES VOTES AND ONE PRESENT. THANK YOU. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 12312 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 4.38 ACRES AND BEING A LITTLE METRO CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE 0077. MOTION PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 24, ZONE 77 FOR 12 312.
[2. O-220-24 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 12312 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 4.38 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24ZONE0077). Action Required By: December 5, 2024 **Council Member Stuart Benson (R-20) can vote on this zoning change** Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
TAYLORSVILLE ROAD. THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 12 312 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD. LOCATED METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 20. THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN BLUE. HERE ON THE AERIAL PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE IT'S CURRENTLY A USED FOR RESIDENTIAL ON THE SITE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED ZONING APPLICANT'S CURRENTLY ZONED. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED R4. THEY ARE PROPOSING C1. YOU CAN SEE AND YOU ALL MAY RECALL THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL C1 REQUESTS THAT HAVE KIND OF BEEN COMING THIS WESTERLY DIRECTION ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD FROM THE SWEENEY LANE INTERSECTION. SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THOSE REQUESTS. THE REQUEST IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO C1. THE IT IS ONE PARCEL WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE THAT IS NOT BEING PRESERVED. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 20,000 OR 22,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL FACILITY THAT INCLUDES A FITNESS CENTER. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IS ON THE RIGHT. JUST TO KIND OF GET YOU ORIENTED, BUT YOU CAN SEE[00:10:05]
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A VARIETY OF LIKE SMALLER RETAIL SPOTS AS WELL AS THE FITNESS CENTER. YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING THAT COMES THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPOSED BUILDING ACCESS WOULD COME OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A CONNECTION TO THIS KIND OF RIDGE ROAD THAT HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY SHOWN ON DEVELOPMENT PLANS, ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN HERE FOR THE PROPOSED REZONINGS, THEY WOULD BE CONTINUING THAT. SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A CONTINUOUS ACCESS THAT WOULD COME ALONG KIND OF TO THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED USES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ROAD. THESE ARE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT TO SHOW WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS AN EXISTING PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ADJACENT PROPERTIES, CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN YOU DO HAVE SOME PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USES TO THE TO THE EAST. AGAIN, BETWEEN THIS SITE AND SWEENEY LANE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS ON MARCH 18TH, 2020 FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS ON AUGUST 8TH, 2024, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE THAT CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R4 TO C1, AND THAT WAS BY A VOTE OF 6 TO 1. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO CRA 61.826 AND COUNTY ROUTE 504.THANK YOU. CHERYL. COUNCILMAN VINCENT, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS WHICH SOMETIMES BOTHERS ME 22 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A NOT NOT TOO FAR FROM THIS SAME AREA. WE HAD A CONDOMINIUM THING GOING ABOUT 200 UNITS AND THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT SAID WOULD NOT NEED NO TURN LANE. AND SINCE THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, IN 22 YEARS THERE'S BEEN A LOT. IT'S A 55 MILE AN HOUR ROAD. AND WHEN SOMEBODY STOPS AND YOU'RE GOING TO TURN INTO WHATEVER SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE READY. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REAR ENDS, ACCIDENTS AND STUFF. SO I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IF THERE'S A CHANCE TO KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING, WE SHOULD AND WE SHOULD TRY TO DO TURN LANES AND ESPECIALLY ON BUSY STREETS. NOW, THIS STREET EVENTUALLY WILL BE 4 OR 5 LANES AND BUT RIGHT WHERE THIS IS, IT'S ONLY TWO LANES. AND PROBABLY NOT A BAD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY NEEDS FITNESS CENTERS SO THEY CAN EXERCISE. BUT TO ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO FITNESS CENTERS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY USE THEM ALL DAY LONG, I GUESS. AND PEOPLE COME AND GO. IT'D BE NICE THAT WE DIDN'T STOP, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT ON, ON. WELL, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE BARDSTOWN ROAD WHEN YOU GET IT IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU CAN GO MAYBE A MILE IN ABOUT AN HOUR, AND IT'S NOT A REALLY A FUN THING. ALTHOUGH IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF BIG ACCIDENTS, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING VERY FAST WHEN YOU HIT SOMEBODY. BUT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE LIKE TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND THAT'S WHAT ROADS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. TAKE PEOPLE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. THIS BARDSTOWN, THIS TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IS TWO LANES AND FOUR LANES AND TWO LANES AND BACK AND FORTH. AND EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE. BUT I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS AND MEETING PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE SAYING, HOW COME WE CAN'T GET INFRASTRUCTURE TAKEN CARE OF? I SAID, WELL, SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK YOU YOU GOTTA GET SO BAD OR SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DIE BEFORE YOU IMPROVE SOMETHING INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF OUR ONE OF OUR JOBS, I THINK, IS DEVELOPING INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY WHO, WHO, WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT IT TURNS IN POSITIVE FOR THAT PERSON SO THAT WE CAN GET ALL THE TAX DOLLARS AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM THIS. THIS IS A PLACE CALLED TYLER CENTER. AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S 3 OR 4 PLACES INSIDE THAT, THAT CENTER THAT'S VACANT. NOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE TALK ABOUT EMPTY BOXES AND WHATEVER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT. AND WHAT? YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOSPITAL UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU NEED THE BEDS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE HOSPITAL TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS. AND SO SOMETIMES WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE SURROUNDING SURROUNDING AND, AND THE NEIGHBORS AND SO TO ME, IF WE CAN'T DO A TURN LANE AND I UNDERSTAND, WE CAN'T, I'M A NO.
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SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE TORE UP WHEN YOU FINALLY MAKE IT FIVE LANES AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A SIDEWALK SO IT STAYS PERMANENT UNTIL PEOPLE CAN USE IT. BRIAN, IS THAT IS THERE? I IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK THERE. IS IT GOING TO BE BEHIND THE TELEPHONE POLES? YEAH. THIS ONE, THEY'RE PROPOSING A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK THAT IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S LOCATED KIND OF FURTHER BACK OFF OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT. WELL, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WIDEN IT TO FIVE LANES, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S YOU SAY IT'S CLOSE TO THE ASPHALT NOW. NO, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, AWAY FROM THE, THE EXISTING ASPHALT. SO THE SIDEWALK, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT SITS FURTHER BACK OFF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD. THE. YEAH.THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE IS IT'S 65FT NOW. SO THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY NOW FOR LIKE A WIDER THAN TWO LANE SECTION THROUGH THERE. SO YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE MINIMAL DISTURBANCE TO THE SIDEWALK THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED IF AND WHEN THEY DO GET AROUND TO IT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU MEASURE TWICE AND CUT ONCE. YOU DON'T WANT WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TO SAY, OH, MAN, WE MESSED UP HERE. AND SOMETIMES JUST SOMEBODY JUST MENTIONED IT MAKES SOMEBODY CONSCIOUS. SO OTHER THAN NOT HAVING A TURN LANE, I'M, I'M AGAINST THIS BECAUSE OF THE ROAD IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR ALL THE ACTIVITY WE NEED. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. MEMBER BATSON. THANK YOU. CHAIR FLOYD. SO IN REGARDS TO, I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN BENSON WAS TRYING TO SAY. AND CORRECT ME, GUYS, IF I'M INCORRECT. BUT, BRIAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT A TURNING LANE CAN BE PUT IN OR BY THE DEVELOPER, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND TAYLORSVILLE IS A STATE ROAD, CORRECT? YEAH. CORRECT. AND IF THEY'RE DOING A WIDENING PROJECT, WHICH COULD IF IT'S A STATE ROAD, IT COULD BE 25 OR 30 YEARS BEFORE THAT'S DONE. IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH THE STATE? THE DEVELOPER CAN WORK WITH THE STATE CURRENTLY TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE PUT A TURNING LANE IN THERE OR CHANGE THE ENTRY POINT TO WHERE THAT ROAD MEETS THE INTERSECTION? IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T TRIGGER THE NECESSITY FOR A TURN LANE. AND SO THAT'S WHY NOTHING WAS WAS PROPOSED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AGAIN WITH IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE STREET THAT'S AT THE REAR, KIND OF THE THOUGHT IS THAT BY REQUIRING THAT ACCESS GOING ACROSS THE REAR OF ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, THEN THEN PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN ON THE SWEENEY AND THEN KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH ALONG THE, THE, THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY MISS A TURN IN OR BE ABLE TO GO FROM ONE ONE OF THESE USES TO ANOTHER? BUT, BUT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT ON ITS OWN, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE TURNING LANE REQUIREMENT.
UNDERSTOOD. AND THEY HAVE THE PROPER OBVIOUSLY DETENTION BASINS AND WHATNOT THERE SO THAT ALL THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. SO SIDEWALK I THINK WOULD BE FINE AS IT IS. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN JENNIFER CHAPPELL. YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT WHY THE NO VOTE ON THE PLAN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I THINK IT WAS 6 TO 1. THERE WAS ONE COMMISSIONER WHO HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE WIDTH OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. LIKE COUNCILMAN BENSON MENTIONED, IT IS A 55 MILE AN HOUR ZONE. AND I THINK WITH WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JUST TRAFFIC MANEUVERING IN THE AREA. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE TO VOTE NO ON THAT. AND JUST FOR MY OWN INFORMATION, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT STAYING. WHEN WAS THAT HOME BUILT? JUST CURIOUS. I ONLY HAVE 30. I'LL LOOK AT THE FILE. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS OLDER. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS OLD ENOUGH TO REQUIRE THAT OR NOT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN BENSON IS SAYING 50S. OKAY, THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I'LL HAVE TO DIG THROUGH. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY. IT LOOKS NEWER THAN THAT. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW A WRENCH IN THINGS. JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. AND WHAT IS THE AGE THAT FLAGS THE PROPERTY? I THINK THAT YOU HAD JUST SAID SOMETHING. SURE. SO IF IT'S LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD, THEN THEN THERE'S. AND YOU INTEND TO DEMOLISH AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THEN THERE'S A 30 DAY NOTICE REQUIREMENT IN
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REGARDS TO THE FOR A DEMOLITION NOTICE. AND SO THAT THAT ACCOMPANIES THE THAT ACCOMPANIES LIKE THE REQUEST TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO DOES THIS HAVE IT. BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE THIS HOUSE 75 YEARS OLD. THANK YOU. YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THE NOISE. WHILE BRIAN'S LOOKING FOR THAT, MAYBE I CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL. ASSUME THIS DIDN'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DUAL NOTICE WHEN THIS WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HISTORIC DEMOLITION NOTICE ISSUED. SORT OF AT THE SAME TIME, WE REWORKED THE LANDMARK ORDINANCE TO TRY TO GET THOSE THINGS TO RUN CONCURRENT. AND SO IT'S LIKELY THAT THIS WAS PUT OUT. THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILE A PETITION IF ANYONE WAS INTERESTED AND NO ONE DID. YEAH. AND THE COMMENT FROM URBAN DESIGN WAS THAT THE BUILDING PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION DOES NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT OF THE WRECKING ORDINANCE. THUS NO. 30 DAY HOLD IS REQUIRED. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT REED THANK YOU, MADAM. EXCUSE ME.THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COUNCILMAN SEAN ASKED MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M LOOKING. OH, COUNCILMAN OH ONE, DID YOU JUST LOG IN? JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I'M NOT TERRIBLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I JUST READ SOMETHING THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE JEFFERSON BY THE KENTUCKY LEAGUE OF CITIES. I THINK IT WAS WHERE THEY WERE SUPPORTING A BILL IN FRANKFORT THAT WOULD REWORK HOW ROAD FUNDS ARE DISTRIBUTED, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE ROAD FUNDS FOR THE URBAN AREAS. AND SO, AGAIN, I'M NOT TERRIBLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IF THAT IS INDEED WHAT I REMEMBER READING, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT OUR JEFFERSON COUNTY DELEGATION AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE ARE UNITED IN SUPPORT OF THAT OF THAT LEGISLATION, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS LIKE COUNCILMAN BENSON IS TALKING ABOUT, AND GETTING MORE ROAD FUND MONEY FROM THE STATE WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IN THAT.
IN THAT REGARD, COUNCILMAN ENGE, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IF THAT IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR 20 YEARS OF WORKING TO CHANGE THE FORMULA OF FIFTHS, I APPLAUD MY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR HIS WISHES AND I WISH HIM VERY WELL OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS TO SEE IF HE COULD POSSIBLY GET OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO MOVE OFF OFF OF WHERE OUR ARCHAIC, ARCHAIC GAS DISTRIBUTION INTO THE LARGEST METRO JOB CREATING COMMUNITY CALLED LOUISVILLE. I'M SORRY, I JUST THOUGHT I'D BRING OUT THE FACTS. MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE DISCUSSIONS? YES, I TRAVEL, I TRAVEL WITH TINA EVERY EVERY VERY WELL. AND HOW WE HAD LOBBYISTS GO. AND WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DELEGATES FROM JEFFERSON COUNTY. BUT IT'S ALSO MY NOT OPINION, BUT IT'S BEEN STATED THAT NOW LEXINGTON UNDERSTANDS THIS AND SO NOW WARREN COUNTY BOWLING GREEN IS NOW UNDERSTANDING THIS AS THEY DEVELOP THAT THAT FORMULA IT FAVORS AND I HATE TO SAY IT'S FARM TO MARKET ROADS IS WHAT WHAT IT FAVORS OUT WAY OUT IN AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC LIKE JEFFERSON COUNTY, FAYETTE COUNTY OR BOWLING GREEN HAS. BUT YEAH, WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS BATTLE A LONG TIME, AND THERE'S ONLY SO MANY VOTES THAT COME OUT OF THESE AREAS. YES, I TOTALLY GET THAT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE. WE ALWAYS BEEN HAS OUR DELEGATION ALWAYS BEEN UNITED IN SUPPORT OF THAT? I HOPE SO, YES.
I THINK THEY'VE GONE WITH IN A UNITED FRONT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AND SAY, NO, I GET IT. WE'VE EVEN. I'M SORRY MADAM. NO, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. I THINK WE'VE EVEN LATCHED ON TO THE NORTHERN KENTUCKY DELEGATION. SO. AND WE STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET OVER THAT. SO AND I AND I GET ALL OF THAT AND THAT'S AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE UPHILL BATTLE. I HOPE WE DON'T GIVE UP.
WE YOU KNOW BETWEEN OWENSBORO BOWLING GREEN, YOU KNOW NORTHERN KENTUCKY LEXINGTON, LOUISVILLE, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF OUR LEGISLATURE. AND I'LL GIVE I'LL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO SENATE PRESIDENT STIVERS, WHO I THINK IS ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN OUR LEGISLATURE, BUT CERTAINLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE URBAN AREAS IN THIS STATE TO OUR ECONOMY. AND SO I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME CHAMPIONS AT AT THE STATE IN LEADERSHIP CURRENTLY. SO I JUST HOPE WE DON'T GIVE UP. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE WISH LIST THAT A LOT OF US
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HAVE SENT IN TO FOLKS WHEN WE'RE ASKED FOR LOBBYISTS, THAT YES, WE NEED THAT ARCHAIC FORMULA NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT DOES NOTHING TO HELP JEFFERSON COUNTY. YES. AND I THINK I THINK THIS BODY WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MEMBERS SEATED NEXT YEAR THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WHISPER AND SEE WHAT THE BEST STRATEGY WOULD BE GOING FORWARD. SO THERE YOU GO. GOOD LUCK. GOOD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CASE? DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP, COUNCILMAN WEBER? NOPE. JUST SIGNALING. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE. VOTING IS OPEN. COUNCILMEMBER BENSON, NO. VOTING TO CLOSING. THAT. MADAM CHAIR, I'M A YES VOTE, BUT IT'S NOT COMING UP ON MY SCREEN HERE. SO MY MESSAGE IS. THERE. WAIT A MINUTE. YES. CHAIR, YOU HAVE SIX. YES VOTES. TWO. COUNCILMAN BENSON'S ON THERE. NO, I'M AFRAID SHE HAS TWO PRESENT. ONE. NO, SIX. YES, TWO PRESENT AND ONE NO. THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS BEING HELD. SO WE'RE GOING TO[4. O-223-24 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 13300 OLD HENRY ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 12.38 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24ZONE0030). Action Required By: December 19, 2024 **Council Member Markus Winkler (D-17) can vote on this zoning change** Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 13,300 OLD HENRY ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 12.38 ACRES AND BEING IN THE LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE 0030. MOTION FOR A SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 24, ZONE 30 FOR A 13 300 OLD HENRY ROAD. ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IS 13,300 OLD HENRY ROAD IS LOCATED METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 17. THIS IS A THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED. THE BOLDER RED. HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A VACANT PARCEL OF LAND. NOW THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN INDUSTRIAL USE ON THE SITE. CURRENTLY SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMBINATION OF C2 AND M2. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT TO PECK WHICH IS PLANNED. EMPLOYMENT CENTER IS LOCATED IN THE SUBURBAN WORKPLACE FORM DISTRICT. SO THE REQUEST IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C2 TO PECK. THEY'RE PROPOSING OUTDOOR STORAGE AND TRUCK PARKING FACILITY. IT'S ABOUT 12 AND A THIRD ACRES.ACCESS WOULD COME FROM OLD HENRY ROAD VIA AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT COMES OFF THERE. AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ADDING A SECURITY GATE, AND THEN THAT WOULD KIND OF SHARE ACCESS WITH THE ROGERS GROUP, ACCESS THAT GOES BACK ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. THERE WAS A PREVIOUS REZONING ON THE SITE, INSIDE ZONE C2. THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR A AUTO AUCTION SITE. THIS WAS THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. NOW THE APPLICANT IS JUST PROPOSING GENERAL OUTDOOR STORAGE ON THE SITE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE. SO NO OTHER THAN CHANGES TO THE SURFACE. THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY ANY OTHER MAJOR STRUCTURES AT THIS TIME. THIS IS A LOOK GOOGLE STREET VIEW LOOK FROM OLD HENRY INTO THE PROPERTY. IT'S LOCATED THERE BEHIND THE LIGHT AND THE POLE. ANOTHER LOOK INTO THE PROPERTY AND LOOK AT THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE. YOU CAN SEE THE ACCESS DRIVE THAT CURRENTLY GOES OFF OF OLD HENRY. BACK TO THE QUARRY SITE. SO THEY WOULD SHARE ACCESS ALONG THAT EASEMENT. THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON MARCH 5TH, 2020 FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. MEETING WAS ON JUNE 13TH, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING WAS ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. THE MOTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THAT CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C2 AND M2 TO PECK THAT PASSED BY A VOTE OF 9 TO 0.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. THE SAME APPLICANT IN 2013. IS WAS THE APPLICANT FROM 2013 THE SAME ONE THAT REAPPLIED FOR THE ZONING CHANGE? I DON'T THINK SO.
NO. AND ONE OF THE REASONS I ASK IS BECAUSE THAT 2013 DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS QUITE A BIT OF ASPHALT.
SO IT'S A HUGE HEAT ISLAND. AND TO GO FROM THAT TO VIRTUALLY NONE FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE. HOPE THAT WE CAN APPLAUD THE DEVELOPER FOR NOT PUTTING IN AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, BUT THAT
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ALSO RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THEY WILL BE STORING ON THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS AUTOMOTIVE.AND I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WATERSHEDS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LARGE STORAGE BASIN JUST ACROSS THE WAY. AND SO IS IT RESPONSIBLE STORAGE IS WHAT I'M ASKING. I SUPPOSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT. IS IT RESPONSIBLE STORAGE? IT'S I MEAN, THEY'RE PROPOSING VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, JUST VEHICLE IN GENERAL OUTDOOR STORAGE THERE ON THE SITE OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THE DETENTION BASIN THERE. SO ANY DIRECT RUNOFF FROM THE ASPHALT AREAS, WOOD AND GRAVEL AREAS WOULD COME INTO THAT DETENTION BASIN PRIOR TO BEING DISCHARGED.
BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORED. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MSD WOULD BE ULTIMATELY BE INTERESTED IN WHETHER OR NOT ANY PARTICULATES OR ANY CHEMICALS ARE BEING DISCHARGED IN THAT DETENTION BASIN. AND THEN GOING INTO THE STREAM. AND REMIND ME, WHAT IS PECK? PECK IS PLANNED EMPLOYMENT CENTER, AND IT'S JUST A REQUEST ON FUTURE PRESENTATIONS. CAN WE GET THAT SPELLED OUT? THOSE DIRTY LITTLE THINGS, RIGHT. YEAH. AND IT PERMITS ALL C ONE AND M TWO USES. IT'S ANOTHER HYBRID DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THIS IS IN PRESIDENT WINKLER'S DISTRICT.
AND HE NOTIFIED MY OFFICE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK THAT HE IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS OF THIS CHANGE, BUT COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY TO JOIN US. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO VOTE? SEEING NONE, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. VICE CHAIR READ. YES. ORGANS WITHOUT OBJECTION. VOTING IS CLOSING. THERE ARE SEVEN YES VOTES, AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. CHAIR, YOU HAVE EIGHT? YES. REED'S NOT UP THERE. OH HE'S NOT. I'M SORR.
EIGHT. YES. VOTES. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE
[5. O-224-24 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 14700 TAYLORSVILLE RD AND 3160 S ENGLISH STATION RD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.42 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 24ZONE0047). Action Required By: December 19, 2024 **Council Member Stuart Benson (R-20) can vote on this zoning change** Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 14,700 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND 3160 SOUTH ENGLISH STATION ROAD, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 3.42 ACRES AND BEING A LITTLE METRO CASE NUMBER 24, ZONE 0047.MOTION SECOND. PROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 24, ZONE 47 FOR DOOR EQUIPMENT COMPANY. THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION ARE 14,700 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND 3160 SOUTH ENGLISH STATION ROAD. THEY ARE LOCATED IN METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 20. THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN THE WIDER BOULDER RED YOU CAN SEE HAS FRONTAGE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND SOUTH ENGLISH STATION ROAD AND THEN BACK TO OLD TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL USE ON THE SITE. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C1 TO C2. AND THEN THERE WAS A FLOYDS FORK DEVELOPMENT REVIEW OVERLAY AND THEN THE DETAILED PLAN WITH THIS. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A CONTRACTOR SHOP AND SHOWROOM FOR A DOOR COMPANY. IT'S ON APPROXIMATELY 3.4 ACRES. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THIS IS SOUTH STATION ROAD ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN. SO THAT MEANS TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IS AT THE TOP. YOU CAN SEE THE COUPLE OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. THEY'RE THESE ARE SOME PROPOSED ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT DURING THEIR TESTIMONY BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE PHOTO. ANOTHER ONE. AND THEN THIS IS ONE OF THE ADJACENT SITES THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY REDEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL USE. THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON MARCH 27TH, 2020 FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS ON AUGUST 22ND, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING WAS CONDUCTED ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL THAT CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C1 AND C2 THAT PASSED BY A VOTE OF 8 TO 0. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO ONE IN THE
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SYSTEM, BUT COUNCILMAN STUART BENSON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I STILL GET SCREWED UP ON OUR SYSTEM HERE. I'M OLD. THIS IS A REALLY A I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW THIS. IN 1939, THAT AREA WILL. WHIRLPOOL WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT APPLIANCE KIND OF LIKE APPLIANCE PARK. AND THEN THE WAR CAME OUT AND THEY DIDN'T. BUT THAT WHOLE AREA WAS ZONED MM3 OR SO FOREVER. AND SO TO ME, THIS IS KIND OF A PERFECT FIT FOR A THING THAT'S THAT WE NEED PLACES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AND JOBS AND SO I'M, I'M FOR THIS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? COUNCILMAN BEAUCHAMP? SORRY, I JUST NOTICED THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDED THAT STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT IN THE PAST COUPLE CASES. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO HERE IN THE ONES WE MISSED TODAY? SORRY, I DON'T THINK I INTRODUCED MYSELF EARLIER, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. SO WE CAN IF YOU'D LIKE. I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE SORT OF BINDING ELEMENT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY NEED TO BE ATTACHED TO EVERY CASE. THERE ARE REASONS YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE TO BE TO REDEVELOP FROM A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO CAPTURE SOME STRANGE THINGS. THIS IS NEITHER. THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A RESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDED, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADD. IF IT MAKES A LITTLE MORE SECURE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT AFFECTS THE.I DON'T SEE THEM. ANYBODY GOING AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT IF THERE'S A SAFETY, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MOTION FOR THE STANDARD BINDING TO BE ADDED. AND I MIGHT NOTE ONE THING I JUST REMEMBERED.
THERE'S A SECOND LOT ON THIS PROPOSAL, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GOING TO BE USED BY THE APPLICANT OR POSSIBLY BE SOLD OFF AT A LATER DATE. IT'S GOT SOME SORT OF THE SAME. THERE'S A SUITE OF BINDING ELEMENTS HERE REGARDING LIGHTING AND PLANTINGS THAT ARE STILL IN EFFECT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT ONE COULD CHANGE COMING FORWARD. SO THAT IS A BIT UNUSUAL. THEY DON'T HAVE A FULL SITE NECESSARILY PLANNED OUT. MIGHT MAKE AN APPROPRIATE CASE FOR THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT. ANYWAY, SORRY FOR MY LITTLE ASIDE THERE. IT WOULD BECOME BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER. 11 AND IT WILL READ ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES E.G. INCREASES IN BUILDING HEIGHT, NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY, ANY CHANGES IN USE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR A SUBCOMMITTEE THEREOF, AND OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS OTHER THAN I. THE ADDITION OF NEW BINDING ELEMENTS. TWO CHANGES TO BINDING ELEMENTS THAT MERELY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE, OR THREE UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WITH FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINED BY METRO COUNCIL. YES, SO I MAKE THE MOTION TO ADD THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT. I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE BINDING ELEMENT SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE AMENDMENT PASSES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER BENSON YES, YES. CLOSING. YOU'VE GOT NINE.
YES VOTES, NINE YES VOTES. AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS BEING HELD. WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND I'LL CALL ON TRAVIS FEASTER AFTER WE'VE MADE OUR MOTIONS, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 5.1. TEN, 5.4.1 AND 7.3. 30 OF THE
[7. O-222-24 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 5.1.10, 5.4.1 AND 7.3.30 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE (“LDC”) REGARDING RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS, PRIVATE YARD AREA AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS IN MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS (CASE NO. 24-LDC-0006). Action Required By: April 10, 2025 Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
LOUISVILLE METRO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LDC REGARDING RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS, ADDITIONS, PRIVATE YARD AREA AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS. CASE NUMBER 24, LDC 00066. PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND TRAVIS FEASTER THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO THERE WAS A BIT OF A PROCEDURAL HICCUP ON THIS. NEITHER LAURA OR I COURT. SO THESE ARE SOME CHANGES TO A[00:40:05]
COUPLE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HERE. THE ONES REGARDING CHAPTER SEVEN. THE SUBDIVISION REGS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TOTAL DISCRETION OVER. SO RATHER THAN A RECOMMENDATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE DIRECTLY ADOPTED THOSE THERE IS AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION IN THE SYSTEM THAT, AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WOULD APPROVE THE SECTION FIVE CHANGES. BUT WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION ON THE CHAPTER SEVEN ONES, EFFECTIVELY SENDING IT BACK DOWN TO THEM. SO AGAIN, PROCEDURAL ISSUE THERE. I'M SURE BRIAN STILL HAS THE SUBSTANTIVE PRESENTATION TO GO. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE CHAPTER SEVEN ONES, WE COULD PASS ALONG COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE FINAL DISCRETION ON THE CHAPTER SEVEN CHANGES. SO THOSE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I'LL MOVE THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. PROPERLY MOVED IN. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT BY SUB SUBSTITUTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES. GO AHEAD BRIAN, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKET NUMBER 24 LDC SIX. IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LOUISVILLE METRO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR CHANGES RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS. PRIVATE YARD AREA AND THEN THE CHAPTER SEVEN ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO FROM TIME TO TIME IS WE LOOK AT THE TYPES OF CASES THAT ARE GOING BEFORE THE BOARDS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. AND WE IDENTIFY THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF BEING APPROVED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND SO WE ASK OURSELVES, WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO REQUIRE THIS IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEING, YOU KNOW, FOR WHICH RELIEF IS BEING GRANTED CONSISTENTLY AND SO THESE THESE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE KIND OF PACKAGE TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY. AND SO THE, THE, THE THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY, ONE IS TALKING ABOUT SETBACK RESTRICTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE. THE SECOND IS IN REGARDS TO THE PRIVATE YARD AREA, WHICH IS PART OF THE LOT CONFIGURATIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM DISTRICTS, AND THEN THE REAR YARDS DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE EASEMENT, WHICH I'LL GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION. SO THE FIRST ONE IS SETBACK EXEMPTION FOR RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS.FREQUENTLY WE HAVE REQUESTS THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS, WHERE SOMEONE IS DOING AN ADDITION ONTO AN EXISTING HOUSE. THE EXISTING HOUSE DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT SIDE YARD OR FRONT YARD OR REAR YARD. IN MOST CASES, SIDE YARD SETBACKS. AND SO WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN THEIR CONSTRUCTION PERMIT IS THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT TO GET A VARIANCE TO HAVE THIS ADDITION, WHICH IS BASICALLY IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE, BUT DOESN'T MEET THAT, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, CURRENT MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE TABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE COME OVER, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS WHERE WE'VE SEEN ADDITIONS ONTO STRUCTURES. THESE ARE THESE ARE EITHER LIKE ADDITIONS LIKE ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUND LEVEL OR LIKE SECOND LEVEL ADDITIONS. AND THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT HAS CONSISTENTLY APPROVED THESE TYPES OF VARIANCES. AND SO THE, THE REQUEST HERE WAS TO ADD AN EXCEPTION TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 5.1.10 THAT WOULD ALLOW FIRST AND SECOND STOREY RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS TO ENCROACH THE SAME DISTANCE INTO A SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK AS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD AGAIN ACCOMMODATE THE LARGE NUMBER OF REQUESTS THAT WE SEE THAT HAVE BEEN GONE BEFORE BOWSER AND HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY APPROVED BY THEM. THE SECOND ONE IS A REDUCTION OF THE PRIVATE YARD AREA. THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR PRIVATE YARD AREA IN THE TRADITIONAL FORM, DISTRICTS APPEAR TO BE EXCESSIVE AND ARE SOMEWHAT BURDENSOME, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR ADDITIONS ONTO EXISTING HOUSES.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIGURE OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, IT'S 20% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA. WHEN YOU'RE UNDER 6000 OR 30% WHEN YOU'RE OVER 6000, WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THIS PRIVATE YARD AREA. AND SO AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME IN WITH VARIOUS APPLICATIONS, EITHER FOR ADDITIONS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WHERE THEY ARE NOT MEETING THAT EITHER 20 OR 30% THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS, AGAIN, HAS CONSISTENTLY GRANTED THAT VARIANCE WHEN THAT REQUEST HAS COME TO THEM. SO THE ASK HERE IS TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 5.4.1 D TO CHANGE THE METHOD OF MEASUREMENT FROM A PERCENTAGE OF LOT SIZE TO A
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STATIC NUMBER. AND SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS FOR LOTS UNDER 6000FT■!S, THEN YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A 300 SQUARE FOOT AREA FOR YOUR PRIVATE YARD AREA, AND THEN FOR LOTS OVER 6000FT■!S. THEN THAT MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 500FT■!S. YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN E MINIMUM TEN FOOT DIMENSION OF THAT PRIVATE YARD AREA. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT KIND OF PRIVATE YARD AREA, CORRIDOR. BUT THEN AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE OTHER FOUR AREAS OF THE RESIDENTIAL SITE DESIGN THAT WERE SHOWN ON THAT FIGURE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT IT. THERE WAS A THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO AN AMENDMENT. THIS WAS AT LEAST A DECADE AGO THAT CAME BEFORE METRO COUNCIL AND THE EXISTING STANDARD. NOW REQUIRES THAT YOU THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE LIKE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA IN A UTILITY EASEMENT OVERLAP BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY DOESN'T ALLOW MORE THAN 15% OF A REQUIRED REAR YARD OF A BUILDABLE LOT TO BE OCCUPIED BY A DETENTION OR RETENTION BASIN OR ANY OTHER DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AND SO INITIALLY, THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THAT CHANGE TALKED ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE ONLY APPLYING TO DETENTION BASINS, BUT THEN THE LANGUAGE GOT AMENDED. SO IT SAID DETENTION BASEMENTS OR EASEMENTS. AND SO WHAT WE SEE IS THAT LIKE ESPECIALLY IN NEWER SUBDIVISIONS, YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT. THEY HAVE THEIR THEIR DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AT THE REAR OF THE SITE, PARTICULARLY ON LIKE WHAT I'LL CALL BORDER PROPERTIES. AND SO YOU'VE GOT THIS WIDER EASEMENT THAT ISN'T BEING SPLIT BETWEEN TWO LOTS, BUT THEN YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND SO YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE. AND SO WE'RE CONSISTENTLY SEEING A NUMBER OF REQUESTS TO WAIVE THAT PERCENTAGE. AND YOU KNOW AND AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEY'VE THEY'VE CONSISTENTLY BEEN APPROVING THI. AND SO THE CHANGE TO CHAPTER SEVEN PARTICULAR 7.3. 30E WAS TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVERLAP WITHIN REQUIRED YARDS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD MAINTAIN THAT LANGUAGE FOR, FOR BASINS. SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE BASINS IN PEOPLE'S REAR YARDS OCCUPYING, YOU KNOW, LARGE AREAS. BUT THE BUT THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE WOULD BE, WOULD BE EASED UP IF YOU WOULD. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS REQUEST COMING IN, YOU KNOW, ON THESE LOTS THAT AGAIN THAT, THAT I DESCRIBED. SO THAT IS THE, THE REQUESTS HERE. THIS DID GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, AND THEIR MOTION WAS TO ACCEPT ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES BY A VOTE OF 7 TO 0. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? COUNCILMAN WEBER, I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR REALLY BEING SYSTEMATIC AND THINKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE INHIBITING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE REGULARLY MAKING EXCEPTIONS TO, AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER. I MEAN, THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THINKING THAT WE WANT TO SEE, NEED TO SEE. AND I'M JUST GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR DOING IT AND LOOK VERY MUCH FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THESE. COUNCILMAN BAKER, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ONE WANT TO ECHO COUNCILMEMBER WEBBER'S SENTIMENT? THANK YOU ALL. THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE FORWARDING. I WANTED TO DO A DISTRICT SIX SELFISH MOMENT, AND JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOUISVILLE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ADUS OR THE CARRIAGE HOUSES IN THERE, SO IF SOMEONE'S WATCHING AT HOME AND THEY HAVE IT, IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT, THEY JUST NEED, YOU KNOW, FOR HOMES UNDER 6000 OR LOTS UNDER 6000, BUT IT'S 300 FOR THE PRIVATE YARD AREA. AND IF IT'S OVER THAT THEN IT'S 500. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. YEAH. AND THEY CAN GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND LOOK AT ADU PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW CALL OUR OFFICE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WHAT THE THESE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE AND HOW THEY THEY MAY IMPACT NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON THEIR, ON THEIR SITES. OKAY. AND THE LAST WELL THE SECOND TO THE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT VARIANCE. IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING TO BUILD A CARRIAGE HOUSE, SAY THEIR PARENTS ARE GETTING OLDER AND THEY WANT TO BUILD AN ADU, IS THERE ANY HEIGHT VARIANCE OR ANYTHING? WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS WITH THESE REGULATIONS. OKAY. AND LASTLY, MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO BE A CO-SPONSOR ON THIS AS WELL, IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. SO NOTE. SO. AND COUNCILMAN RENO, WHOEVER WANTS TO BE A CO-SPONSOR. OKAY. AND ANDREW OWEN WANTS TO BE A CO-SPONSOR. IS THAT WHAT YOUR[00:50:01]
QUESTION WAS AT THE BOTTOM? SOMETHING. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, THANK YOU ALSO FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AND COMING TO US WITH SOME REAL CHANGES TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. MY QUESTION DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PRIVATE YARD CHANGES COULD YOU ALL SPEAK TO THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS. I THINK THERE WAS JUST SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CHANGES AND THEN LIKE POTENTIALLY ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, GARAGES, WHATEVER, JUST TAKING UP TOO MUCH SPACE IN, IN ON A PROPERTY THAT THAT WAS PRIMARILY WHAT THAT COMMENT WAS ABOUT. BUT BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE DID MAINTAIN THAT THE PRIVATE YARD AREA WOULD BE AT LEAST TEN FEET WIDE. AND THEN AND THEN THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE FELT NEEDED TO POTENTIALLY BE MAINTAINED AND STILL LIKE BE WITHIN THAT RANGE OF THE REQUEST THAT WE WERE SEEING. AND SO WE FELT THAT, THAT THE THAT THE MINIMUM WIDTH AND AREA REQUIREMENTS WOULD, WOULD BE ADEQUATE ENOUGH. AND SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION KIND OF WENT ALONG WITH THAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU.CHAIR. JUST WANTED TO POINT ONE OTHER THING OUT THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS STREAMLINING THE PROCESS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A HOMEOWNER OR WHOEVER, BUT THIS IS ALSO REDUCING THE BURDEN ON OUR STAFF AND ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL. THANKS. BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, COMMISSIONERS AND ALL THEIR SUB SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE TO PUT IN, I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT NOT BEING COMPENSATED FOR, WELL, FOR YOUR TIME. GOD BLESS ALL THOSE THAT STEP FORWARD THAT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK AT ALL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN JENNIFER CHAPPELL I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I GET ALL OF THE WAIVER ALLOWANCE NOTICES, AND EVERY TIME THAT I SEE ONE OF THESE COME ACROSS, I'M ALWAYS JUST LIKE, OH, APPROVE THIS AND LET'S MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT THIS IS GREAT THAT WE'RE STREAMLINING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. VOTING IS OPEN. VOTING IS CLOSING. CHAIR FLETCHER EIGHT. YES VOTES. EIGHT. YES VOTES AND CAN THIS GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR? NO. IT'S AMENDED BY SUBSTITUTION. NO, IT HAS TO GO TO OLD BUSINESS. OKAY. GOSH.
KIND OF GET OUT OF SOME WORK. OKAY? WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US, BUT I'LL REMIND FOLKS THAT ACCORDING TO THE SPONSOR ON ITEM NUMBER. EIGHT, IT'S TO BE HEARD IN THE COMMITTEE NEXT TIME. WE HAVE NOT GOT THE INFORMATION ON THE MATRIX YET, BUT AS SOON AS IT IS GIVEN TO ME, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A COPY OF IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.