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WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024 AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LAND USE MEETING. I'M CHAIR ANDREW 
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OWEN. I'M HERE WITH MY VICE CHAIR, KHALIL GACHON. PRESENT. WE HAVE WITH US COUNCIL MEMBER TONY PIAGENTINI. COUNCIL MEMBER BETSY ROONEY. ON ON VIRTUAL VIRTUALLY. WE'RE JOINED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAN SEIM, COUNCIL MEMBER JENNIFER CHAPEL, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, SCOTT REED, OKA. 
          SO I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO, TO BRIAN AND RACHEL BECAUSE I COULD EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW WE 
          [1. ID 24-0597     HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY – Brian Davis, Rachel Casey, and Joel Dock, Office of Planning]
GOT TO THIS POINT, BUT I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT WELL, IN THEIR QUICK PRESENTATION. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE US DISCUSS THE THINGS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, RACHEL, IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GET STARTED, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. CHERYL, CAN YOU READ OUR. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE. A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. OKAY, RACHEL. 
          PERFECT. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU, CHAIR. OWEN, RACHEL CASEY, SENIOR PLANNER WITH LOUISVILLE METRO'S OFFICE OF PLANNING. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY, THE MUCH AWAITED STUDY, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IN ANTICIPATION A FEW MEETINGS AGO WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THE BARRIERS TO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. AND THIS IS SORT OF THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT, DESCRIBING A STUDY THAT WAS DONE, DONE ON THOSE BARRIERS AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM THAT STUDY. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION, AS, COUNCILMAN OWENS SAID, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED BY METRO COUNCIL IN THE FY 24 BUDGET, AND ORIGINALLY THE GOAL OF THAT WAS TO IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER DENSITIES AND HOUSING, IN, THROUGHOUT LOUISVILLE METRO, WE DID A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, AS WE GENERALLY DO FOR THIS KIND OF PROJECT. AND SELECTED THE CONSULTING FIRM OPTICOS DESIGN OUT OF CALIFORNIA IN JULY OF 2023. YOU COULD SORT OF SEE THE TIMELINE THERE. THE PROJECT WAS INITIATED, AS I SAID, IN JULY 2023, WE SPENT THE FALL OF 2023 DOING THE SORT OF BACKGROUND ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT, IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP ON THE DRAFT MAP, AND THE INITIAL ANALYSIS, AFTER THAT IN THE COMMUNITY, FEEDBACK FROM THAT, WE FINALIZED THAT ANALYSIS IN THE MAP AND WE CREATED THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES REPORT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER, AND THAT WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE, AROUND JULY, WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME REFINING SINCE THEN, AND FINALLY HAVE IT HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A DRAFT OF THAT FINAL REPORT. SO THE GOAL OF THE STUDY, AS IT IS NOW IN THE STUDY, IS AS PART OF THE ONGOING LDC REFORM THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN THIS COMMITTEE, THIS STUDY PERFORMED A METRO WIDE ANALYSIS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS TO IDENTIFY WHERE MIXED USE AND DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES MAY BE ENABLED, WHILE PROVIDING A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND MAKING THE BEST USE OF AVAILABLE RESOURCES. SO VERY IMPORTANT KEY THINGS THERE ARE THAT THIS WAS AN ANALYSIS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO YOU'LL SEE I'LL TALK ABOUT IT A FEW TIMES. BUT THIS DID NOT ANTICIPATE ANY FUTURE GROWTH. THIS WAS SIMPLY AN ANALYSIS OF A POINT IN TIME OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. THERE ARE METHODS TO ADD FUTURE AREAS OF GROWTH THAT WE'LL DISCUSS LATER. BUT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE THAT THIS INITIAL ANALYSIS WAS OF WHAT EXISTS ON THE GROUND TODAY. SO THE PROCESS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE 
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LEFT, THIS IS SORT OF WHAT THE CONSULTANT ALL PUT TOGETHER WAS BACKGROUND RESEARCH. THEY DID A CITY WIDE ANALYSIS OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR LAND USE, OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, OUR FORM DISTRICTS, OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, OUR, YOU KNOW, PARK SYSTEMS, OUR SEWERS, OUR ROADWAYS, SIDEWALKS, BIKE BIKEWAYS, ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE LANDSCAPE OF A CITY IS, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ALSO DID A MARKET MARKET CONDITIONS ANALYSIS. THAT HELPED INFORM, THE, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PRESENT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR NEW HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY. AND THEN THEY ALSO DID WHAT THEY CALL A TEST FITS AND CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHERE THEY LOOKED AT THE LOT SIZES THROUGHOUT JEFFERSON COUNTY. 
          DETERMINED THE MOST COMMON LOT SIZES IN THE COUNTY AND THEN FROM THERE DETERMINED THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE BEST, THE TYPE OF HOUSING, BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE BEST TO FIT ON THOSE MOST COMMON LOTS THROUGHOUT JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND SO THAT LED TO KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT. THEY BROKE OUR CITY DOWN INTO WHAT THEY CALL ANCHORS, WHICH ARE CENTERS OF ACTIVITY, AMENITY AREAS, PLACES THAT PROVIDE SERVICES. 
          THERE'S EIGHT DIFFERENT ANCHORS THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE LISTED. AND THEN SURROUNDING THOSE ANCHORS IN EITHER A QUARTER MILE OR A HALF MILE RADIUS, WHICH EQUATES TO EITHER A 5 OR 10 MINUTE WALK. THEY CREATED ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THESE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR CATEGORIES OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING INTENSITY. SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT AN ANCHOR WOULD BE A COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACE. THERE MIGHT BE RETAIL, OR IT ALSO COULD BE THINGS LIKE A CIVIC NODE, WHICH MIGHT BE A PARK OR A SCHOOL OR A LIBRARY, AND SO THEY BROKE THOSE DOWN THOSE ANCHORS AND THEN DETERMINED THE BEST TYPES OF HOUSING THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED BY THOSE ANCHORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING IN A QUARTER OR HALF MILE RADIUS. 
          SO I'LL BREAK IT DOWN INTO JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE ANCHORS AND ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS USING ONE SPECIFIC ONE. THEY THAT THEY DETERMINED. SO ONE OF THEM IS TOWN CENTER. THIS IS ONE OF OUR FORM DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND WAS LARGELY BASED OFF THAT. A TOWN CENTER IS OFTEN THE CORE OF A HISTORIC TOWN. WE CAN THINK JEFFERSON TOWN OR SAINT MATTHEWS OR SHIVELY, IT OFTEN HAS GROCERIES, RETAIL APARTMENTS OR RESTAURANTS, THE AUTOMOBILE DEPENDENCY IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE LOW TO MODERATE, AND IT SHOWS YOU THE TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICTS THERE. AND THEN IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTENSITY. SO WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A TOWN CENTER, THEY SUGGEST THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MEDIUM HIGH INTENSITY. AND WITHIN A HALF MILE THERE SHOULD BE A MEDIUM INTENSITY. AND SO TO BREAK DOWN THOSE EVEN FURTHER. 
          SO WE HAVE THE TOWN CENTER ANCHOR THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT ANCHOR WOULD SUPPORT COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED YOUR C ONE AND C TWO USES. AND THEN AS WELL AS 4 TO 7 STORY RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE ANCHOR. AND THEN IN THE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THAT AT A QUARTER MILE OR A HALF MILE DISTANCE, WITH WHAT OPTICOS DETERMINED COULD BE SUPPORTED IN THOSE AREAS, WHERE THE HOUSING TYPES THAT YOU SEE THERE AND THE HOUSING TYPES THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, THESE ARE THE MOST INTENSE HOUSING TYPES, THAT OPTICOS DETERMINE COULD BE SUPPORTED IN THOSE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS. IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE SMALLER HOUSING TYPES FROM ALSO BEING SUPPORTED THERE. 
          SO YOU SEE IN A QUARTER MILE OF A TOWN CENTER, YOU COULD HAVE A MULTIPLEX OF 3 TO 5 STORIES WITH 6 TO 20 UNITS THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A COTTAGE COURT OR A DUPLEX WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED THERE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE OF A LESSER INTENSITY THAN WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE MEDIUM HIGH INTENSITY ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THROUGH THIS THOUGHT PROCESS WITH OUR ANCHORS AND OUR ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR EIGHT ANCHORS AND FOUR ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE CREATED THE HOUSING AND MIXED USE ANALYSIS MAP. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A BIT OF THIS BEFORE, AND AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT LAYS OUT THE EIGHT ANCHORS AND THE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IN THE, IN THE COMING DAYS, SOMETIME PROBABLY TOWARDS THE END OF NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE AN INTERACTIVE VERSION OF THIS ONLINE. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE ZOOMING AND CLICKING IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE IN DEPTH AND DETAIL ON THIS MAP. AND AS I SAID, WE DID HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THIS TOPIC IN FEBRUARY, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 50 ATTENDEES IN TOTAL FOR BOTH MEETINGS, WE DID PRESENT THE INITIAL ANALYSIS AND PROCESS AND THE DRAFT OF THE ANALYSIS MAP. SO KIND OF THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE PRESENTED SO FAR IN THIS PRESENTATION IS WHAT WE GAVE, TO THE COMMUNITY IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THERE, AND WE TOOK A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HEARD ABOUT WHETHER THE ANCHORS AND ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS 
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FELT APPROPRIATE. AND THEN ALSO WHAT MAYBE SOME POTENTIAL STRATEGIES TO IMPLEMENT, THE HOUSING IN THESE AREAS MIGHT BE. AND SO FROM THERE, LIKE I SAID, AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OPTICOS ON THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES REPORT. AND SO NOW WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE FINAL REPORT, AND CONTAINED IN THAT REPORT IS HOW AND WHY THE STUDY AND ANALYSIS MAP WERE DEVELOPED, WHAT WE JUST WENT OVER, AND THEN THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STUDY AND THEN HOW THE MAP AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE USED. SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE CATEGORIES, THE, THE BIG ONE WAS RECOMMENDED. 
          CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE OTHER ONE WAS ANTI-DISPLACEMENT STRATEGIES. 
          THAT WE'LL GO OVER AND THEN THERE'S A FEW SERIES OF OTHER ACTIONS AND POLICIES. SO SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES REPORT IS TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IN C ONE, R SEVEN AND R EIGHT. A SO THIS WOULD INCREASE THE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. WE THINK OF THIS AS THAT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE NUMBER, AND THERE'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THOSE NUMBERS, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO PERMIT MIDDLE HOUSING AND SOME OTHER SMALL MIXED USE BUILDING TYPES WITH SPECIAL STANDARDS. THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED IN THE MIDDLE HOUSING DRAFT. THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A COUPLE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES THAT COULD BE PERMITTED. WITH SPECIAL STANDARDS, IN THE SAME WAY THAT MIDDLE HOUSING IS, TO ELIMINATE INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT IN ALL FORM DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO ELIMINATE FORM DISTRICT EDGE TRANSITION STANDARDS TO REGULATE HEIGHT AND STORIES RATHER THAN FEET, TO ALLOW UP TO SEVEN STORIES IN SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE, CORRIDOR AND TOWN CENTER FORMS AND UP TO FIVE STORIES IN TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR AND TO ELIMINATE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSIT STOP, FOR US, A HIGH FREQUENCY WOULD BE ANYTHING LESS THAN 15 MINUTES OR LESS ROUGHLY. SO THINK OF TARGET ROUTE TEN, 2328 FOUR. THESE ARE OUR HIGHEST FREQUENCY TRANSIT ROUTES AS OF RIGHT NOW. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH SO BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID A SECOND AGO IN THE SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDORS, CAN YOU CAN ALLOW UP TO SEVEN STORIES. SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S USE THE DIXIE MANOR, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE DID A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT WOULD WORK THERE, CONSIDERING THERE'S THE OVERLAYS ON THAT PROPERTY? AGAIN RIGHT. 
          AND SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, ON THAT DIXIE MANOR EXAMPLE WAS WE TALKED ABOUT THE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PIECES CONSTRAINING THAT SITE. AND ONE OF THEM WAS HEIGHT. RIGHT NOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, FOR SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE IS 60FT, SO IT WOULD BE CAPPED AT 60FT, INSTEAD OF SEVEN STORIES, WHICH IS WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED. AND THEN THAT SITE ON DIXIE MANOR IS ALSO SUBJECT TO THOSE TRANSITION STANDARDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY HERE IN THIS LIST, RECOMMEND ELIMINATING THOSE TRANSITION STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD HAVE CURRENTLY LIMITED THE HEIGHT AVAILABILITY ON THAT DIXIE MANOR SITE. SO LIKE I SAID THAT THERE IS THERE ARE ALSO SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS, FOR, TO, REINFORCE OUR EXISTING ANTI-DISPLACEMENT STRATEGIES AND TO REINFORCE THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT ORDINANCE, THAT METRO COUNCIL PASSED, AND THEN IT ALSO PROVIDES A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW STRATEGIES AND POLICIES. FOR, FOR ANTI-DISPLACEMENT UNDER TWO CATEGORIES, ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES IS TO PRESERVE EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOME HIGHLIGHTED STRATEGIES UNDER THERE ARE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, TENANT RELOCATION ASSISTANCE AND AN ANTI-DISPLACEMENT FEE, AND THEN THE OTHER CATEGORY OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANTI-DISPLACEMENT IS PRODUCTION. SO THE PRODUCTION OF MORE HOUSING, AND SOME POLICIES HIGHLIGHTED UNDER THERE ARE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, WHICH I KNOW WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS YEAR, EXPEDITED DEVELOPMENT AND MINISTERIAL APPROVALS AND BUILDING CODE REFORM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND IT IS NOTED HEAVILY IN THE DRAFT REPORT, THAT MANY OF THE RECOMMENDED NEW STRATEGIES FOR ANTI-DISPLACEMENT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGES TO STATE LAW OR CHANGES TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION, AND THOSE ARE HEAVILY NOTED IN THE DRAFT REPORT, IF THAT WOULD BE A CASE FOR ANY OF THE PROPOSED ANTI-DISPLACEMENT STRATEGIES. ALMOST DONE, THE LAST PIECE, LIKE I SAID, WERE THE OTHER ACTIONS AND POLICIES. A FEW OF THOSE, WERE TO ADOPT THE IMPLEMENTATION REPORT AND THE ANALYSIS MAP AS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN 2040, TO UTILIZE THE ANALYSIS MAP TO PRIORITIZE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, SUCH AS COMPLETING SIDEWALK NETWORKS. AND IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON HOW TO ADDRESS NEW AREAS OF GROWTH ON THE ANALYSIS MAP. SO THE PICTURE THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT IS A SNIPPET FROM THE REPORT THAT SHOWS THE 
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ANCHORS AND THE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN ALSO THE SIDEWALK GAPS THAT EXIST WITHIN THOSE ANCHORS AND ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT CAN HELP US PRIORITIZE, IF WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE DEVELOPMENT IN THE ANCHORS AND ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS, IT CAN ALSO HELP US PRIORITIZE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADDITION OF NEW HOUSING. SO NEXT STEPS WE'RE GOING TO HOST THE ANALYSIS MAP. THE STORY MAP AND THE DRAFT IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY REPORT ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE FOR AROUND 30 DAYS. 
          THAT'S OUR STANDARD, BUT DEFINITELY OPEN TO HAVING IT LONGER IF NEED BE, AND THEN WE WILL WORK ON ADOPTING THE REPORT AND THE ANALYSIS MAP AS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN 2040, JUST AS WE WOULD A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OR ANY OTHER SIMILAR REPORT. AND THEN AFTER THAT IS ADOPTED, WE WILL WORK ON AT LEAST THE OFFICE OF PLANNING WILL WORK ON DRAFTING CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STUDY. AND IMPORTANT TO NOTE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EARLIER, AND IN ADDITION TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE, AS WE CONTINUE TO ADOPT THE ANALYSIS MAP AND THE REPORT AND DRAFT CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE WILL STILL BE ONGOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON ALL OF THOSE PIECES AS WELL. SO THAT'S IT. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF INITIAL QUESTIONS. I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TWO STEPS BEING ADOPTING THE IMPLEMENTATION REPORT AND ANALYSIS ANALYSIS MAP, WHAT IS THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN IN, IN JUST THAT PIECE. SO IN ADOPTING THE REPORT AND THE ANALYSIS MAP, IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMENDMENT THAT WE ADOPT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST. 
          THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL, AND THEN METRO COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE FINAL VOTE ON WHETHER TO APPROVE IT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT IN AND OF ITSELF, WITHOUT MAKING THE SPECIFIC DRAFT LEGISLATION TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE. WELL IT'S UP. 
          SUBSTANCE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD. WE HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED THE WAY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FUNCTIONS WITHOUT THE SECOND PIECE OCCURRING. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADOPT IT AS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN 2040. JUST SO THAT IT CONTINUES TO BE A GUIDING DOCUMENT IN INDIVIDUAL LAND USE DECISIONS, BECAUSE WITHOUT HAVING IT AS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN 2040, WHENEVER AN INDIVIDUAL REZONING CASE COMES UP, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FINDINGS OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE REPORT. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO GO AHEAD AND ADOPT IT, TO PLAN 2040. BUT NO, IT WOULDN'T MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY DRAFT THOSE RECOMMENDED CHANGES. BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US. I JUST WANT TO SAY WE CAN BE DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. ESSENTIALLY, WE CAN BE DRAFTING THE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS THE AS THE ADOPTION PROCESS IS GOING THROUGH. SO I'M ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME PUSHBACK FOR FROM SOME OF THIS. AND I, I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED TO SPEND ON THE DETAILS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REPORT AND THE MAP. YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED TO SPEND THERE VERSUS NEGOTIATING WHAT THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION LOOKS LIKE, SINCE THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD? SURE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THE FRONT END. RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          NEGOTIATING EVERY LIKE MAKING CHANGES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION REPORT AND THE MAP AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IF IT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT CLEAR IN OUR MINDS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, ANY CHANGES TO THE MAP ARE PROBABLY STILL NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE RECOMMENDED, AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. WHAT'S THAT, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE THE FULL REPORT? DO WE HAVE THAT BE EMAILED, YOU WILL HAVE IT SOMETIME EARLY NEXT WEEK, WE'RE JUST WE'RE WAITING ON SOME TECHNICAL STUFF WITH THE INTERACTIVE MAP. AND AFTER THAT, WE'LL JUST PUBLISH THEM ALL TOGETHER ONLINE, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET AN EMAIL WHEN THAT HAPPENS. NO PROBLEM. IS THERE SUCH A THING AS UNSUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, DEVELOPMENT THAT IN A CERTAIN REGION IS SO RAPID AS TO BE UNSUSTAINABLE? I'M CERTAIN THAT THAT THERE PROBABLY IS, IN SOME CONTEXT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS STUDY SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT, THE WAY THAT THIS STUDY WAS PRESENTED WAS, LIKE I SAID, BY LOOKING AT THE EXISTING ZONING AND FORM DISTRICTS AND THEN BY LOOKING AT THE EXISTING LOT SIZES TO SAY THESE ARE THE BUILDING TYPES THAT WOULD FIT ON THESE LOT SIZES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND ANYTHING MORE OR 
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LARGER THAN WOULD FIT ON WHAT EXISTS TODAY. OUT IN THE COUNTY, AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THE REPORT AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT STRATEGICALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS, AND WE DON'T QUANTIFY WHAT IS UNSUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHY OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD YOU THINK THAT 30% GROWTH IN ONE METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT IN FIVE YEARS IS SUSTAINABLE? SURE, I HEAR THAT AND I THINK WHAT THE I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE? I CAN'T SAY HONESTLY, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN IN WHAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S LAND AVAILABILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABILITY. YEAH I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE THE LATEST REPORT FROM PLANNING AND DESIGN ON DEVELOPMENT BY DISTRICT. MY DISTRICT GREW BY 30% OVER THE LAST CENSUS. AND RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT JUST BETWEEN 2019 AND TODAY, 3000 UNITS, WHICH MOST OF THEM ARE SINGLE FAMILY. I'M FIFTH OVERALL IN MULTIFAMILY, BUT FIRST IN SINGLE FAMILY. SO IT'S MORE SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH AT THREE PERSON PER SINGLE FAMILY UNIT JUST IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS I HAVE GROWN MY DISTRICT BY 30%. 
          JUST IN FIVE YEARS. RIGHT BECAUSE USUALLY IT'S 30,000 PEOPLE YOU'RE SHOOTING FOR. 
          MEANWHILE, THERE ARE DISTRICTS ACROSS THE CITY THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BUILT AND OCCUPIED 100 UNITS OVER THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME. SO I HAVE 30 TIMES THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT SPEED THAT THESE OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE ENDURED. SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE IT AND ACTUALLY QUANTIFY WHAT IS THERE SUCH A THING, WHICH I BELIEVE THERE IS AND WHAT IS THE NUMERICAL NUMBER? BECAUSE AT AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT ONE BLOCK, ONE REGION, ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, OH, RIGHT, WE CAN BUILD THERE. SOMEBODY IS BUYING SOMETHING, BUILD SOMETHING, RIGHT? BUT IF WE'RE NOT PANNING OUT OVER THAT REGION OR AREA, THIS IS A VERY BIG COUNTY. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU AND IT'S VERY DIVERSE COUNTY, RIGHT, GEOGRAPHICALLY, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF MANNERS OF MEASURING THAT. AND IF WE DON'T PAN BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS AREA'S SPEED AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE NOT KEPT UP. WE ARE ON THE BRINK OF WHAT WE TERM UNSUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, THEN I DON'T CARE HOW COOL THAT ONE PROJECT IS, WE NEED TO SAY THIS IS NOT REASONABLE FOR ONE DISTRICT TO SHOULDER A BURDEN, AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION. CAN I FOLLOW UP JUST REAL QUICK, JUST TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT UNSUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, ARE YOU PRIMARILY REFERRING TO INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT RELATES TO THAT DEVELOPMENT? IS THAT YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN THERE? THAT THAT AND WHAT I WOULD SAY A COMPLETE REWRITING OF WHAT THAT PLACE WAS. RIGHT. SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT. IF WE HAVE PUT MORE AND MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MORE AND MORE SUBURBAN, AND I WOULD ARGUE EVEN RURAL AREAS OF THIS COUNTY, AND WE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER SOME OF THAT IS SANE, RIGHT? THAT ANY TYPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT TYPE IN AN AREA THAT HASN'T EXPERIENCED IT BEFORE CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, RIGHT? MIGHT STILL BE A GOOD IDEA. I'M NOT SAYING 100% THAT'S WRONG, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXAMPLE THAT I HAVE GIVEN AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE NEED TO PUT MULTIFAMILY ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD SAY NO MULTIFAMILY IN MY DISTRICT, RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS AND AGAIN, NUMBER FIVE AND GROWTH ON MULTIFAMILY, A LOT OF IT IN REALLY GOOD AREAS IN MY DISTRICT MADE A LOT OF SENSE. RIGHT BUT WE ALSO WOULDN'T TEAR DOWN A SKYSCRAPER DOWNTOWN AND PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING UNITS ON QUARTER ACRE LOTS. IT WOULD BE ABSURD AND WOULD COMPLETELY REDEFINE WHAT DOWNTOWN IS RIGHT? SO I MOSTLY SPEAKING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO CHARACTER AND DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS I WANT TO SAY, LINE OF QUESTIONING, BUT I WANT TO SAY THE MORE I READ PLAN 2040, THE MORE I FALL IN LOVE WITH IT. OKAY I WANT TO SAY THAT IF YOU'VE NEVER READ IT FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR MY COLLEAGUES HERE, IF YOU'VE NEVER READ PLAN 2040, IT'S A WONDERFUL DOCUMENT. I AM NOT CONVINCED IN THE SLIGHTEST THAT WE ARE ABIDING BY IT. OKAY. FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT. I JUST HAD A DEVELOPMENT, APPROVED IN MY DISTRICT. THIS PAST MONDAY BY THE, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND IT PUT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN ARGUABLY THE MOST RURAL ROAD IN MY DISTRICT, THE WORST ROAD DESIGN IN MY DISTRICT, IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, NEAR NOTHING. RIGHT. IF YOU READ PLAN 2040, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OVERLAY FOR THAT IS IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD FORM DISTRICT, RIGHT? IF YOU 
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READ PLAN 2040, GUIDELINE ONE, NUMBER ONE, GUIDE THE FORM AND DESIGN OF DEVELOPMENT TO RESPOND TO DISTINCTIVE PHYSICAL, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL QUALITIES. SECTION 3.1.3 NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD FORM IS CHARACTERISTIC BY PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL USES, ETC. IT SAYS, QUOTE, HIGH DENSITY USES WILL BE DOESN'T EVEN SAY SHOULD WILL BE LIMITED IN SCOPE TO MINOR OR MAJOR ARTERIALS AND TO AREAS THAT HAVE LIMITED IMPACT ON THE LOW TO MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. BUT THEN WE JUST STUCK A PART, STUCK APARTMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF JOHNSON ROAD, WHICH AGAIN, IF ANYBODY HAS EVER DRIVEN JOHNSON ROAD, IT'S THERE'S NOT IT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL ROAD THE SLIGHTEST OF ANY SORT. IT'S GOT NO SIGNALIZATION ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT COULDN'T BE FURTHER AWAY FROM ANY SORT OF BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, ETC. UNLIKE TARA CROSSING BOULEVARD, WHICH HAS HAD MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, HUGE ONES. AS A MATTER OF FACT PUT ON IT. BUT IT'S NEAR ALL OF THOSE AND ALIGNED WITH THE PLAN. SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU WANT TO UPDATE THIS. 
          OKAY, SO YOU WANT TO UPDATE THE PLAN, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD PHILOSOPHICALLY. AND THEN YOU WANT TO UPDATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I'M NOT CONVINCED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TODAY COMPORTS WITH THIS PLAN. AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO ENSURE THAT IT STARTS TO BECAUSE THE EXCUSE THAT WAS GIVEN WAS, WELL, THIS IS A MINISTERIAL APPROVAL, RIGHT? SO ESSENTIALLY SAYING AND THE LAWYER FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SOME DEGREE MADE THIS ARGUMENT THAT THINGS LIKE PLAN 2040 DON'T COUNT. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PART OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, INCLUDING THESE UPDATES WE WANT TO MAKE, ACTUALLY COMPORT WITH THIS REALLY BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT I WOULD SAY I'VE YET TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT COMPLAINS ABOUT THAT. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? SO I'LL LET BRIAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY, AND IT COMES BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN OWEN WAS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, IS WHY TO ADOPT THIS AS PART OF PLAN 2040 IS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THE MAP IS ATTEMPTING AND THE STUDY ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE IS TO TRY TO PINPOINT WHAT THE WHAT THE BEST AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT ARE. 
          LIKE YOU SAID, IT MIGHT NOT BE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A MILE OF THAT ANCHOR. THIS IS TRYING TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE KNOW THE AREAS OF ACTIVITY ARE. HERE'S WHERE WE KNOW THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS READY FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. AND HERE'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE BUILDING THESE LARGER TYPES OF HOUSING OR SMALLER TYPES OF HOUSING. AND THAT SOME OTHER AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE OR DON'T HAVE THE SERVICES OR AMENITIES TO SERVE THE POPULATION IN THE HOUSING MAY NOT BE NECESSARY, NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE MAY BE BETTER AREAS AND THERE MAY BE BETTER AREAS TO CONCENTRATE. 
          THESE LARGER DENSITIES OF HOUSING. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT THE MAP, THE GOAL OF THE OF THE MAP AND THE STUDY IS AND ONE OF THE GOALS OF ADOPTING IT TO PLAN 2040 IS, LIKE I SAID, IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE BASES ON A ZONING CHANGE OR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT KIND IS TO TRY TO HAVE THIS MAP AND THIS STUDY TO SAY THAT THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PINPOINTED, THAT SAYS THESE ARE WHERE THE SERVICES, THE AMENITIES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXIST. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT TO LOCATE. AS A FOLLOW UP, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, AND WHICH I'VE ARGUED IN THE PAST, IS THAT WHICH I THINK PLAN 2040 ALREADY SORT OF SAYS IS THAT THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THESE MORE DENSE AREAS, WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, WITH AMENITIES, WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT, WITH MEANING BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, RIGHT, WHATEVER. OKAY. THE MORE DENSE YOU SHOULD GET AND I AGREE WITH THE HEIGHT THINGS. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS IN SOME AREAS OF THE CITY THAT WE HAVE NOT BUILT MORE UP. NULU AS AN EXAMPLE, I THINK IT'S BIZARRO LAND THAT WE WERE BUILDING FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ALL OVER NULU. WE SHOULD BE BUILDING 20 STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN ENGLAN, RIGHT? BUT BUT WHEREAS WHEN YOU GET INTO AND I'M GOING TO PICK ON JOHNSON ROAD. BUT STUART I'M GOING TO PICK ON COUNCILMAN BENSON. HE'S GOT SOME VERY RURAL AREAS OF HIS DISTRICT WHICH HAVE NONE. NO AMENITIES, NO MIXED USE, LITTLE TO NO SEWER THERE. 
          WE SHOULD SEE AT BEST, RIGHT. LOW DENSITY, VERY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, IF MUCH AT ALL, IS WHAT I THINK WE'RE SAYING IS THE PHILOSOPHY. AND THEN HOW DO WE CODIFY THAT? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT CODIFIED IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHAT I'LL ADVOCATE FOR IS THAT WE ACTUALLY CODIFY THAT PHILOSOPHY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AT THIS POINT, I AM NOT CONVINCED, AND I KNOW, SOME OF OUR LAWYERS MAY DISAGREE WITH ME ON THIS, BUT I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THERE IS ANYTHING PREVENTING SOMEBODY FROM PROPOSING AND GETTING FULLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. A4000 UNIT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF FISHERVILLE. OKAY, I'M NOT CONVINCED THERE'S ACTUALLY ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT COULD STOP IT RIGHT NOW. WE COULD SAY IT WOULD NEED REZONING 
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AND ALL THESE THINGS. BUT AND SOMEBODY SAID I HAD A LAWYER ARGUE THAT, OH, WELL, TRAFFIC WOULD PREVENT IT. RIGHT. THE TRAFFIC STUDIES I HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS APPROVED AND REZONED WITH WITH QUESTIONABLE AT BEST, TRAFFIC STUDIES. AND I'VE HEARD THAT FROM OUR OWN DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC OF PUBLIC WORKS, RIGHT. THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS WITH HOW WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND YET THEY STILL GET APPROVED AND DEVELOPED AND NOTHING STOPPED. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF AGREEMENT AND I LIKE THIS WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A MAP, FROM A DENSITY OR MULTI USE. I LOVE THIS OKAY, I WANT TO ASK THAT WE MAKE SURE THIS IS CODIFIED PROPERLY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY SMART DEVELOPMENT ATTORNEYS OUT THERE. I ALWAYS TELL THEM EVEN WHEN I DISAGREE WITH THEM, I'M LIKE, YOU'RE A SUPER SMART PERSON. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO FIND A LOOPHOLE, WHICH I THINK IN THE ONE CASE, I'M TALKING ABOUT, THEY USED A WELL-INTENTIONED PIECE OF THE CODE AND ABUSED IT TO GET SOMETHING BUILT WHERE IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BUILT. AND NOW THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT STOPS IT. AND SO NOW WE COULD HAVE AGAIN WHAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROPERLY CONTROL THAT IN THE CODE VERSUS WHAT'S IN PLAN 2040. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? COOL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          COUNCILMAN REED. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. RACHEL, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXTEND THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WELL BEYOND 30 DAYS. I KNOW THAT'S YOUR STANDARD, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS POTENTIALLY THE BIGGEST LAND DEVELOPMENT CHANGE IN THE LAST 50 YEARS. AND I BELIEVE THE CITY NEEDS A LOT MORE PUBLIC INPUT TIME BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT. SO, PLEASE CONSIDER MOVING THAT TO I WOULD AT LEAST MAKE IT THREE MONTHS, BECAUSE I THINK ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT IS DOING THE CITY A BIG DISSERVICE. THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE THING. AND NUMBER NUMBER TWO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, MIDDLE HOUSING AND DID THE RECOMMENDATION. AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SEND US ALL THIS, THIS POWERPOINT, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THE MIDDLE HOUSING. DID THE ADVISOR OR THE CONSULTANT MAKE ANY COMMENT WHATSOEVER, WHETHER OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE IN A DEED RESTRICTED HOA, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? DEVELOPMENT SO ON YOUR FIRST COMMENT ABOUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO BE CLEAR, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT 30 DAYS, THAT WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL PLAN ITSELF, ANY PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD HAVE MUCH, MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIME. SO ONCE WE GET TO ANY ACTUAL DRAFT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD CHANGE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE A MUCH, MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF ENGAGEMENT AND COMMENT, BUT WE CAN ALSO. YEAH, WELL, WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT THE COMMENT FOR THE, THE STUDY ITSELF, OFFLINE, IF YOU'D LIKE. BUT FOR SURE, ONCE WE GET TO AMENDMENT CHANGES, THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE PUBLIC CONVERSATION. BUT ON THE SECOND POINT, NO, THEY DID NOT OPTICOS DESIGN. THEY SIMPLY LOOKED AT WHAT THE EXISTING REGULATIONS AND LAWS WERE AND WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILT FORM ON THE GROUND WAS, LIKE I SAID. SO THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ON HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR DEED RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. BACHON. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT, SLIDE OR JUST COMMENT. SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT LET'S USE THE EXAMPLE OF D'OSCAR MANOR. RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AN ANTI-DISPLACEMENT, FROM WHAT I HEAR IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S LIVING SPACE BUILT ALREADY IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA FOR THEM TO LIVE BEFORE A NEW CONSTRUCTION IS BUILT. IS THAT CORRECT? OR HOW HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK IN THIS, IN THIS PLAN? SO I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO ANYTHING RELATED TO LMA BECAUSE THEIR PROCESSES ARE REALLY COMPLEX. AND I'M BY NO MEANS AN EXPERT ON THEM. I DO THINK THAT YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE ARE RULES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT, DISPLACEMENT AND HOUSING UNITS WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE WITH MORE EXPERTISE ON LMA'S SPECIFIC REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS ON THAT. FOR THIS, IT WAS JUST IMPORTANT AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI IS CONCERNED ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE WANT TO BE. WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD PUSH OUT EXISTING RESIDENTS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, TO TRY TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, AND SO, LIKE I SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE A SERIES OF 20 OVER 20 EXISTING ANTI-DISPLACEMENT STRATEGIES, 
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THROUGH THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT ORDINANCE, THAT THIS COUNCIL PASSED AND THAT I KNOW THE OFFICE OF HOUSING IS WORKING ON AS WELL. SO WHAT THE CONSULTANT DID HERE WAS THEY JUST LOOKED AT THOSE EXISTING STRATEGIES AND THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AND TRIED TO FILL IN ANY GAPS THAT HAVE BEEN USED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. IN OTHER PLACES, TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY STRATEGIES. THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER THAT WE WEREN'T ALREADY CONSIDERING. SO THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL STRATEGIES. SOME OF THEM WOULD REQUIRE CHANGES TO STATE LAW. LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THEM WOULD JUST REQUIRE FUNDING, FROM THE LOCAL LEVEL OR THE STATE LEVEL. SOME OF THEM ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN ENACT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MECHANISMS, PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE'S NO JUST LIKE WITH DEVELOPMENT OF ANY KIND, OR ANYTHING, THERE'S NO GOLDEN TICKET TO ANTI-DISPLACEMENT. THERE'S NO ONE POLICY THAT'S GOING TO ENSURE THAT NO RESIDENTS ARE DISPLACED. IT HAS TO BE A SERIES OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE TO THE PRESERVE EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IN ADDITION TO ALSO PRODUCING NEW HOUSING AS WELL. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO SLIDE NINE. AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON HERE. SO, FIRST ONE IS THAT ELIMINATE FORM DISTRICT EDGE TRANSITION STANDARDS. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT PRECISELY WHAT THOSE ARE THAT YOU'RE CHOOSING THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO ELIMINATE RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. SURE. ABSOLUTELY, SO IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION IN THE STUDY AS OF RIGHT NOW. BUT, THE FORM DISTRICT EDGE TRANSITION STANDARDS, WAS ONE OF THOSE BARRIERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WHERE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR FORM DISTRICT AND THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM DISTRICT, THAT BACK UP AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE TRANSITION ZONE BETWEEN THOSE TWO FORM DISTRICTS, WHICH, FOR THOSE TWO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE 50 TO 100FT, DEPENDING. THEN THOSE ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WANTS TO TAKE PLACE ON THE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR, LET'S SAY FRANKFORT AVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIMITED TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING TO GO UP TO 50FT LIKE THEY WOULD IN A TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR IN HEIGHT, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIMITED DOWN TO 45FT FOR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT'S A RESTRICTION ON OUR GENERALLY ON OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OPTICOS DISCOVERED THAT WE ARE ACHIEVING THAT HEIGHT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY RESTRICTIONS IN THE INFILL STANDARDS AND IN THESE TRANSITION ZONE STANDARDS THAT ACTUALLY REDUCE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT DOWN, EVEN IF IN THE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE, IT SAYS YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 50FT. WELL, THOSE FORM DISTRICT EDGE TRANSITION STANDARDS, BRING THAT DOWN AND THEN AN INFILL HEIGHT STANDARD MIGHT BRING THAT MAXIMUM DOWN EVEN FURTHER. SO WE'RE NOT ACHIEVING THE ACTUAL ALLOWABLE HEIGHT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THAT HEIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW, ON SOUTH SIDE DRIVE, THEY HAD THEY HAVE LOT THAT THEY ORIGINALLY TRIED TO PUT HOUSING ON AND THEY WERE TOLD IT REALLY IT REALLY WOUND UP NOT BEING FEASIBLE BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. AND SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER. WOULD THIS BE PART OF THAT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO REALLY ANYTHING. THERE'S A WHOLE SEPARATE SERIES OF BUFFERS, AND STANDARDS THAT AREN'T REALLY ABOUT THE FORM DISTRICT. THEY'RE ABOUT THE USE ABOUT HAVING AN INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          AND THAT'S, KIND OF IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT HAS TO DO WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AND FENCING AND THOSE KIND OF ITEMS BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL AND OTHER TYPES OF USES, THAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH THE EDGE TRANSITION STANDARDS, IS A SERIES OF STANDARDS THAT APPLIES WHEN THERE'S LIKE A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND A NEIGHBORHOOD BACKING UP TO IT. GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST IMPACT FROM ELIMINATING THE TRANSITION STANDARDS. WE WOULD STILL HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR BUFFERS BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL USES AND ALL OTHER KINDS OF USES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE MORE QUESTIO, ELIMINATE INFILL BUILDING HEIGHT IN ALL FORM DISTRICTS EXCEPT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW MUCH OF JEFFERSON COUNTY IS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW MUCH IS EVERYTHING ELSE? I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER TO YOU. I CAN'T EVEN I COULD JUST TELL YOU THAT. I MEAN, THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GENERALLY GENERALLY INSIDE THE WATTERSON, AND SOME IN YOUR DISTRICT OUTSIDE THE WATTERSON, IN, THE, THE SORT OF SOUTH CENTRAL AREA 
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YOU CAN THINK OF TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS AS PLACES WHERE THERE'S GENERALLY A GRIDDED STREET SYSTEM. ONCE YOU GET INTO SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY ARE MORE MEANDERING ROADS. THEY'RE NOT BUILT ON THE TRADITIONAL GRID. OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO AFFECT MORE THE SUBURBS THAN VERSUS THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT, IT DEPENDS. I THINK A BIG ISSUE THAT WE SEE WITH THE INFILL HEIGHT AGAIN, IS MORE ON THOSE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IS WHERE WE'RE REALLY SEEING THE BIG IMPACT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, ON FRANKFORT AVENUE OR BARDSTOWN ROAD, IF YOU HAVE TWO BUILDINGS BESIDE YOU THAT ARE ONLY TWO STORIES, YOU CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN TWO STORIES JUST BECAUSE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS BESIDE YOU, EVEN THOUGH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, LIKE I SAID, IS 45FT. YOU CAN'T REACH THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE TWO BUILDINGS BESIDE YOUR LOT ARE LIMITING YOU IN HEIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. VICE CHAIR BATEMAN. SO, RACHEL, TO WHAT? YOU JUST SAID. AND LET'S USE BARTON ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE. WITH THIS NEW PLAN, WILL THAT ELIMINATE THOSE OVERLAYS ON BARDSTOWN ROAD OR IN THE HIGHLANDS OF AREAS? KIND OF LIKE AS IF IT WOULD IN THE SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE ON DIXIE MANOR, WHERE THIS PLAN WOULD ELIMINATE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON DIXIE MANOR. BUT WILL THAT DO THE SAME THING FOR BARDSTOWN ROAD? YEAH. THE ATTEMPT HERE, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST THE RECOMMENDED, CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT OPTICOS RECOMMENDED. BUT YES, THE INTENT IS TO ALLOW THE HEIGHT ON OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, BOTH TRADITIONAL AND SUBURBAN, THAT WE'RE NOT ACHIEVING RIGHT NOW. THE ONE THING I WILL SAY, JUST BECAUSE YOU DID MENTION OVERLAYS, IS THAT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANY OF THESE, LIKE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR DESIGN OVERLAYS THAT EXIST ON SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS. SO BARDSTOWN ROAD AND BAXTER AVENUE HAVE A DESIGN OVERLAY, AND IT WON'T HAVE AN EFFECT ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SEPARATELY REGULATED IN THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES AND NOT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. JUST YEAH. SO I WAS WONDERING HOW MANY OF THE ANCHORS AND ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON THIS MAP ARE WITHIN YOU MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY SHIVELY. SAINT MATTHEWS, GEORGETOWN. I THINK TWO OF THOSE THREE I DON'T HAVE. SHIVELY DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, DOES IT OR DOES IT DOES. IT DOES. SO ALL THREE OF THOSE HAVE THEIR OWN ZONING,  HOW MANY OF THE OF THESE ANCHORS AND ANCHOR NEIGHBHOOD A GOI TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF WHAT WE DO H AY, BAUSEHEY HAVE THE OWNONINAND LAND DEVEPMENDE? YEAH, I DON KNOW E N ESTABLISHED INHE DOCUMENT AND IN THE STORYAP THAT THERE IS AT LIMITATION, BUT BECAUSE THIS WAS JUST AN ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, LAND AND FORM, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES BASED ON THAT. BUT MANY OF THE AREAS THAT YOU'LL SEE, LABELED AS A TOWN CENTER ANCHOR ARE IN THOSE, SMALL CITIES WITH ZONING AUTHORITY. SO PLACES LIKE JEFFERSON TOWN, AND SHIVELY, LINDEN, AREAS LIKE THAT. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT OF THE ANCHORS, B THE ANCHORS CAN GET KIND OF THERE ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS SO THEY CAN GET A LITTLE, HARD TO QUANTIFY AS INDIVIDUAL ANCHORS, BUT THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THEM. YES. IN THOSE SMALL CITIES. AND THEN AS A KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, I'M JUST THINKING KIND OF BIG PICTURE HERE. YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST STEP BEING ADOPTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE MAP AND THAT WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT WE COULD OR COULDN'T DO WITHIN THE CITIES. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE SMALLER CITIES. 
          WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO I MEAN, LET ME START BY SAYING, IF I HAD MY PREFERENCE, I WOULD TRY TO DO SOMETHING COUNTYWIDE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE EASIEST THING AND, YOU KNOW, BUT WITH, WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, ARE THERE OTHER WAYS THAT LEXINGTON EXEMPTS PART OF THEIR CITY? THEY DRAW A BOUNDARY AND ARE THERE OTHER WAYS? AND MAYBE THIS IS BETTER FOR TRAVIS OR SOMEBODY? ARE THERE OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD CREATE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, WHERE WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, ALONG THIS, THIS AND THIS CORRIDOR, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT THIS, THESE CORRIDORS, WE'RE NOT OR I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO THAT, AND IT IS PIECEMEAL AND I DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT THERE ARE PLACES THAT HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAVE THINGS THAT OTHER, OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY DON'T. SO, TRAVIS, IS 
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THERE ARE THERE WAYS TO DO THAT THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT YOU THINK WERE MISSED AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED OR THAT ARE INCLUDED AND SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, THEN IT'S POSSIBLE FOR COUNCIL TO SORT OF TWEAK THINGS ON THAT FRONT BEFORE THIS IS ADOPTED. AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT AS FAR AS FROM A REGULATION STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CHANGE WHAT'S ALLOWABLE IN SOME ZONING DISTRICT, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF THE COUNTY EQUALLY. SO WE CAN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT, C-2 FOR DOWNTOWN VERSUS OUT IN THE SUBURBS, FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SORT OF HIGHLIGHTED AREAS ARE EMPHASIZE, AND THIS IS SORT OF A RELATED QUESTION FOR STAFF, I GUESS, BUT WE'VE GOT THESE AREAS WHERE MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT IS BEING SUGGESTED AND SORT OF AN INTENTIONAL SCALE. AND THEN WE HIT THE PARTS OF THE MAP WHERE THERE'S NONE OF THE BEIGE BROWN, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING. WE JUST RETURNED TO GREEN, WHICH IS MOSTLY IT'S NOT ALL, BUT A LOT OF IT IS THE R-4 PARTS, OF THE COUNTY. AND SO I COULD SEE THAT BEING INTERPRETED AS WELL. THEN NONE OF THIS SHOULD OCCUR THERE, RIGHT. THAT THESE ARE SORT OF THE LIMITS OF MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT. AND A, A MORE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED AREA IN WHICH YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO STAY R-4 OR LESS. IS THAT HOW STAFF IS LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL? IS THIS BOTH SORT OF FOCUSED AREAS AND PART TWO DISCOURAGING THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY, WHERE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, ALL THE NODES AND THE TRANSPORTATION AREN'T IN ENCOURAGEMENT PIECE AND NOT SO MUCH OF A DISCOURAGEMENT ELSEWHERE? I THINK THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT WAS AN ENCOURAGEMENT PIECE. BUT LIKE I SAID THIS AT THE BEGINNING AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP REMEMBERING WHEN LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IS THAT IT'S A MAP OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. SO THAT IS THIS IS WHAT THE CITY LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. THESE ARE WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, ANCHORS THE AMENITY AREAS AND SERVICE AREAS RIGHT NOW. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT NEW ANCHORS CAN'T POP UP IN AREAS IN FIVE YEARS. IT'S JUST IT WAS NOT SCOPED FOR US, AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ANTICIPATE WHERE A NEW ANCHOR MIGHT POP UP. SO THIS HAD TO BE AN ANALYSIS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AND SO BASED OFF THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR IDEA HERE AND OUR GOAL WAS TO SAY BASED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SERVICES AND AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHERE ARE AREAS THAT COULD SUPPORT MORE HOUSING THAT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT THERE COULD BE? SO WHERE IS THERE CAPACITY CURRENTLY FOR MORE HOUSING THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT HOUSING BECAUSE OF LIMITATIONS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BECAUSE OF LIMITATIONS IN THE MARKET, AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE GOAL WAS TO SAY WHAT AREAS CAN SUPPORT MORE, RIGHT NOW BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND HOW CAN WE GET THOSE HOUSING UNITS BUILT. WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS TO BUILDING THAT AND ACHIEVING THE FULL CAPACITY OF THE AREAS THAT EXIST TODAY? BUT THAT SORT OF GOES TO COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI ORIGINAL QUESTION. OR IS THAT HE WAS BRINGING UP THAT IF YOU ADOPT THIS AS PART OF PLAN 2040, THEN THE OPPOSITE OF THE PLACES THAT ARE BEING ENCOURAGED WOULD SOMEWHAT BE NOT THAT IT COULDN'T EVER BE DEVELOPED, BUT AT LEAST AS OF NOW, THAT THE PLACES THAT ARE THAT ARE GREEN WOULD BE SOMEWHAT DISCOURAGED FROM BEING DEVELOPED MORE INTENSELY, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PIECE OF PLAN 2040. ULTIMATELY, ANY REZONINGS ARE GOING TO BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL. THIS MAP AND THE STUDY WILL BE ANOTHER TOOL IN THAT TOOL BELT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHENEVER THEY'RE MAKING THESE INDIVIDUAL, ZONING CHANGE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          COUNCILMAN ARGENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SAYING. BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME. YOU CAN LOOK AT SHELBYVILLE ROAD JUST ABOVE 64, LOOKING AT GENE SNYDER. RIGHT. THAT WHICH IS NOW A FAIRLY DENSE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WAS NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT, REPRESENTATIVE JERRY MILLER, STATE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT HELD MY SEAT ON COUNCIL PRIOR TO ME. WHO HIS I MEAN, WHEN I SAY WAS LIKE BORN AND BRED IN THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY, HIS FATHER WAS A MILK TRUCK DRIVER FOR ONE OF THE FARMERS OUT THERE BACK IN THE DAY. RIGHT. AND, I MEAN, HE WOULD TALK ABOUT THERE WASN'T A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN MY WHOLE DISTRICT, GOING BACK JUST 40 YEARS AGO. RIGHT. YOU PREDATE. 
          AND I'LL USE LAKE FOREST AS AN EXAMPLE. YOU PREDATE WHEN LAKE FOREST WAS BUILT ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO. THERE WASN'T TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION. THERE WAS NOTHING OUT THERE. AND NOW WE HAVE SEEN 
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ALONG SHELBYVILLE ROAD OR SHELBYVILLE ROAD, A VERY VIBRANT, FAIRLY DENSE WITH INCLUDING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, BY THE WAY, RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS SPRING UP, I WOULD ARGUE. MAKES SENSE. RIGHT AGAIN, I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN MY DISTRICT ON THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. BUT YOU SEE AGAIN, SO WHERE IF YOU GO THERE AND THEN GO UP THE GENE SNYDER, THERE'S ANOTHER AREA THERE THAT'S INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY EAST POINT, THE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IN THAT AREA. AND THEN YOU GO EAST OF THAT TO THE COUNTY BORDER. THAT'S THE REST OF MY DISTRICT, OKAY. IT'S GREEN. IT'S GREEN FOR A REASON, THAT AREA I CAN 100% TELL YOU AND THIS IS THE CASE I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, AND IF I TRIED TO POINT ON THE MAP, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE ME, BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST A STONE'S THROW TO THE TO THE COUNTY BORDER, RIGHT? OF HOW FAR OUT THAT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE PUT. BUT YES, I THINK THE WHOLE POINT IS IN THAT AREA, UNLESS THERE IS A SUBSTANTIVE INVESTMENT. RIGHT. AND I'LL JEFFERSON DEVELOPMENT GROUP DID THIS IN MY DISTRICT. THEY BOUGHT UP A MASSIVE CHUNK OF LAND, BUILT A ROAD THAT CONNECTED ESSENTIALLY TO HIGHWAY ENTRANCES. THEY TOOK ONE HIGHWAY ENTRANCE TO ANOTHER ONE CONNECTED IT, BUILT THE WHOLE ROAD THEMSELVES, AND ALONG THAT ROAD HAVE NOW BUILT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. THAT'S WHERE THE NEW PUBLIX IS. THERE'S A GAS STATION THERE. THEY HAVE THE HARLEY DEALERSHIP THERE, THE MERCEDES DEALERSHIP. THEY BUILT OFFICE SPACE ACROSS THE STREET, AND NOW WE HAVE ENTERTAINMENT COMING. 
          RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHA, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, MORE. THEIR MIXED USE IN A HUGE AREA CONNECTING IT, NOT RUNNING THROUGH SOME OF THESE RURAL AREAS. SO THERE WE GO. HE HAS ACTUALLY CREATED A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT HE HAS DONE SO IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY THAT INCLUDED SUBSTANTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS. AND IT ALSO INCLUDED A STATE PROJECT THAT REBUILT PART OF OLD HENRY ROAD, WHICH IS JUST WRAPPING UP RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF COMMITMENT, THEN I WOULD SAY WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE SAYING IS IN THOSE AREAS IN GREEN, WE SHOULD SEE NOTHING MORE THAN VERY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          OTHERWISE WE'RE KIDDING OURSELVES. RIGHT. AND I'M AND I'M AGAIN, I JUST SENT IT TO ALL OF COUNCIL JUST SO EVERYBODY HAS IT. I REALIZED WHEN JEFF SENT IT TO ME, HE DIDN'T SEND IT TO EVERYBODY ELSE, SO I JUST SENT IT TO EVERYBODY. THE BREAKDOWN BY DISTRICT, THE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BY FAR THE MOST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 16, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24. THESE ARE ALL DISTRICTS WITH 1600 UNITS OR MORE OF DEVELOPMENT JUST IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. RIGHT. I'LL ADD DISTRICT FOUR. THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE BUBBLE, PROBABLY MOSTLY NULU THE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE ALMOST IMPERCEPTIBLE BUT LESS THAN 100 UNITS. DISTRICT THREE. NOW AGAIN, LARGELY PROBABLY SHIVELY. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING. RIGHT. BUT DISTRICT THREE AND THIS IS AGNOSTIC OF SUBURBAN CITIES OUTSIDE OF MIDDLETOWN. THE DEVELOPMENT IN MIDDLETOWN IS COUNTED HERE. 
          RIGHT. SO THIS IS ALL PERMITS, RIGHT. DISTRICT THREE. ALMOST NOTHING. DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT TEN, DISTRICT 21. I MEAN, THESE ARE FAIRLY URBAN DISTRICTS, RIGHT? THAT HAVE HAD NEGLIGIBLE TO ZERO DEVELOPMENT, TO THE TUNE OF 30 X LESS DEVELOPMENT THAN MY DISTRICT HAS. AND 16 X LESS DEVELOPMENT THAN THESE OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE. AND THEY AND ALL THE DISTRICTS I QUOTED, WELL, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IS, IS ALL IN THIS, YOU KNOW, BRACKETED CORRIDOR WAY OUT HERE, AND IT'S AND I WILL TELL YOU ALSO, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE LAND IS CHEAP. 
          IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE LAND IS CHEAP. THE LAND IN MY DISTRICT HAS GONE RIDICULOUS. IT'S GOTTEN ABSURDLY EXPENSIVE. IT'S ALMOST WEIRD HOW EXPENSIVE IT'S GOTTEN BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH DEMAND, SO, SO THERE'S OTHER FACTORS GOING ON HERE. AND I WANT TO WRAP THIS UP BY SAYING, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS RIGHT, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MATCH THIS ALL UP PLAN 2040 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT INCLUDES OVERLAY DISTRICTS. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME TO SAY WE HAVE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS HERE WHERE WE SHOULD GO ABOVE FOUR STORIES. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE GOING TO FIVE, SIX, SEVEN STORIES AND THEN SAY, BUT WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU COULD PREVENT IT BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD ABANDON HISTORICAL STANDARDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          FAR FROM IT. BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE USED AND HAVE BEEN USED IN THE PAST, TO BLOCK WHAT MAY BE A VERY REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA WHERE THE AREA HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE THING, IF WE'RE GOING UP TO THE LEVEL OF PLAN 2040 AND THEN COMING DOWN INTO THE CODE, EVERYTHING MUST BE ON THE TABLE, INCLUDING SOME OF THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S AN OVERLAY DISTRICT OR IT'S AN AREA THAT CAN SUPPORT MORE DEVELOPMENT. BUT FOR SOME REASON HISTORICALLY HAS NOT SEEN ANY. 
          THERE MUST BE SOMETHING GOING ON THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, QUESTIONS OR ISSUES THEY WANT TO BRING UP AT THIS POINT, MR. CHAIR, I WAS IN THE QUEUE. 
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OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL LIMIT BECAUSE MY BACKGROUND IS LOUD HERE AT THE CAFE. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AND JUST SAY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ISSUES THAT STARTED MANY YEARS BEFORE MANY OF US TOOK OFFICE. AND NOW IT'S OUR TURN. 
          IT'S OUR DUTY TO DO RIGHT BY THE LAND TO DO RIGHT BY OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND THERE HAS TO BE CHANGE. OUR CITY IS GROWING IN AN ASTRONOMICAL RATE. OUR HOUSING NEEDS ARE ARE UNMET. 
          MANY OF THEM ARE UNMET. THERE SHOULD BE PATHWAYS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP AND ALL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED IN A DISTRICT LIKE DISTRICT THREE. WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RENTERS AS WELL AS A GREAT DEAL OF HOMEOWNERS. BUT BUT NO ONE HAS SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY DEVELOPMENT. THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF ANYTHING THAT'S COMING TO THEIR COMMUNITIES. THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING. SO I LOVE THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS IN A WAY THAT THIS IS A TOOL. BECAUSE I JOINED THIS, THIS COMMITTEE, I WANTED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE HOW WE CAN MEET THE NEEDS THAT ARE THERE. HOW CAN WE TAKE CARE OF OUR HOMEOWNERS, AND HOW CAN WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL NEVER OWN A HOME? RENTING IS THEIR OPTION, AND THEY STILL SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO RENT AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          DIVERSIFIED HOUSING IS A WAY THAT WE GET THERE. THAT'S OUR REALITY. AND THESE FOLKS ARE ALSO VOTERS AS WELL. SO THESE ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS AND THEY SHOULD HAVE QUALITY. IT'S NOT JUST THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE QUALITY HOUSING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND THAT THEY CAN BUILD WEALTH WITH AND DO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE BUY INTO THE AMERICAN DREAM. I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I, DISTRICT THREE, WANTS TO WORK WITH YOU IN EVERY WAY. AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO SEND THIS PRESENTATION TO US WHEN IT'S READY TO BE SHARED, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS, AND WE'RE TALKING IN MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THOSE MEETINGS ARE HOMEOWNERS, BUT THEY ALSO ARE RECOGNIZING THAT IN OUR DISTRICT, THERE'S BEEN SO MANY CHANGES AND SO MANY THINGS IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS THAT NO ONE HAD THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WHEN THEY HAPPENED. I THINK IT'S OUR TURN AS NOT JUST THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, BUT AS A COUNCIL. THERE'S A WAY TO MEET ALL THE NEEDS. THERE'S A WAY TO MEET THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI AND HIS FOLKS AND SIGN ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE HOMEOWNERS IN THEIR DISTRICT WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE IT OVERDEVELOPED. BUT THERE'S ALSO A WAY TO DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITIES IN A WAY THAT IT MEETS THE NEEDS. BECAUSE EITHER WAY, WE'RE GROWING. IT'S NO IT'S NO GOING BACK. PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST MOVING OUT OF LOUISVILLE AND NOT MOVING OUT OF KENTUCKY. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THOSE NEEDS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH. RIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE ADJOURN? THANK YOU. RACHEL, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. WE'VE GOT A LOT TO CHEW ON HERE, AND, WE WILL, RECONVENE, IS IT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? IT'S ACTUALLY IN THREE WEEKS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.