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OKAY METRO TV 30S, PLEASE. 
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GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 4:02 P.M. THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PUBLIC 
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SAFETY COMMITTEE. I'M YOUR VICE CHAIR, DAN SYME. TODAY I'M JOINED BY THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS. 
          WHO DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE SHAMIKA PARISH RIGHT? AND ANY OTHER MEMBER, SCOTT REED AND MYSELF. 
          WE'RE ALSO JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY BETSY ROONEY AND JENNIFER CHAPEL. CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE VIRTUAL MEETING LANGUAGE? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KARA 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. TODAY WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. CLERK. PLEASE READ ITEM NUMBER ONE INTO THE RECORD. PLEASE ITEM ONE AN ORDINANCE 
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 O-209-24     AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 124 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES (“LMCO”) TO CREATE NEW SECTIONS ON LICENSING AND TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS, AND AMENDING LMCO SECTIONS 124.01, 124.05, 124.08, 124.10, AND 124.99 REGARDING ARMED SECURITY OFFICERS, WITH LMCO SECTIONS 124.21 to 124.33 TO BE KNOWN AS CHRISTOPHER’S LAW.
Action Required By: March 19, 2025
Sponsors: Jennifer Chappell (D-15), Betsy Ruhe (D-21)]
AMENDING CHAPTER 124 OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES MCO TO CREATE NEW SECTIONS ON LICENSING AND TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS AND AMENDING LMCO SECTIONS 124 .011, 24.051, 24.081, 24.10 AND 124 .99. REGARDING ARMED SECURITY OFFICERS WITH LMCO SECTIONS ONE, 24.212, ONE, 24.33 TO BE KNOWN AS CHRISTOPHER'S LAW, READ IN FULL. THE MOTION. MOTION. SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. THE ITEM BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER AND SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER DAN SEIM. I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN JENNIFER CHAPPELL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ORDINANCE, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, WOULD YOU INDULGE US, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. JUST CURIOSITY. THERE IS A QUORUM RIGHT? WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          I'M SURE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES WILL BE WATCHING, WELL, HELLO. I'M EXCITED TO BE DISCUSSING THIS LEGISLATION WITH YOU ALL TODAY. MY OFFICE STARTED WORKING ON THIS LEGISLATION ONE YEAR AGO AFTER ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS, NICK CLARK, CONTACTED ME ABOUT, UNARMED SECURITY TRAINING. NICK SPOKE AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT THE LOSS OF HIS HUSBAND, CHRISTOPHER MCKINNEY, AFTER AN ALTERCATION WITH A BOUNCER AT NOWHERE BAR IN 2020. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR NICK SPEAK AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I URGE YOU TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO HIS ADDRESS TO COUNCIL. I APPLAUD NICK'S BRAVERY AND HIS PERSEVERANCE IN PUSHING FORWARD THIS LEGISLATION, HE HAS BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY, AND I THINK THAT IF WE HAD MORE PEOPLE WORKING AS HARD AS NICK, WE'D HAVE A MUCH BETTER CITY. AND WE ALL MOURNFULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL BRING HIS HUSBAND BACK. BUT NICK'S GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO PREVENT THIS SENSELESS HEARTBREAK FROM HAPPENING TO ANOTHER FAMILY. THIS ISN'T VENGEFUL LEGISLATION. 
          THIS IS COMMON SENSE LEGISLATION. MOST PEOPLE ARE AGHAST WHEN THEY LEARN THAT THE SECURITY PROFESSIONALS THAT THEY ENCOUNTER FROM DAY TO DAY MOST LIKELY DON'T HAVE THE BASIC TRAINING TO DO THEIR JOB SAFELY OR CORRECTLY. THERE ARE SOME KINKS IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT I'M 
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LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING AND IRONING OUT WITH YOU ALL, AND I'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE IN A MOMENT, BUT I URGE YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS LEGISLATION IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, WHICH WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO. AS METRO COUNCIL. DURING TODAY'S MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO SIMPLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED. THUS FAR, AND I WANT TO HEAR WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS MY COLLEAGUES MAY HAVE. AND AFTER A PRODUCTIVE AND CIVIL CONVERSATION, I INTEND TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM. GRANTED, THERE'S A QUORUM TO DO SO. I WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO ADDRESS ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE NEXT PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING IN OCTOBE. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS TODAY WILL BE BACK IN ABOUT, I THINK, THREE WEEKS WITH THOSE ANSWERS. I ALSO WANT TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO BRAD SILVERIA WITH THE LOUISVILLE METRO, ABC HE'S THE DIRECTOR AS WELL AS ALICE LINE WITH THE JEFFERSON COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BOTH WITH WHO HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING GET THIS LEGISLATION TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT LOUISVILLE METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES ALREADY HAS REGULATIONS ABOUT ARMED SECURITY OFFICERS. SO WE TOOK THAT LEGISLATION AND ALTERED IT TO CREATE THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY ABOUT UNARMED SECURITY OFFICERS. WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED SIMILARITY AND LANGUAGE, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. WE HAVE TAKEN, PARDON ME, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR THOSE SECURITY OFFICERS THAT WE'VE ISSUED IN THE LAST, TWO FISCAL YEARS AS WELL AS SINCE THE START OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE STATS WITH YOU. AND WE'VE ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXISTING LAWS AROUND OPEN CARRY AND WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT, THE ABILITY FOR THIS LEGISLATION TO BE CONNECTED TO ESTABLISHMENTS SERVING ALCOHOL, WHICH IS KIND OF, A MURKY THING. SO HOW MANY BOUNCER RELATED INCIDENTS HAVE THERE BEEN IN LOUISVILLE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY BOUNCER RELATED INCIDENTS IN LOUISVILLE THAT INCLUDE BOTH UNARMED AND ARMED SECURITY OFFICERS, MOSTLY INVOLVING EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE BY SECURITY PERSONNEL. NOTABLE INCIDENTS THAT HIGHLIGHT THE CONCERN OVER BOUNCER CONDUCT INCLUDE THE DEATH OF CHRISTOPHER MCKINNEY IN JANUARY OF 2020, AND AN INCIDENT IN 2019 INVOLVING FOUR BOUNCERS AT PBR BAR AT FOURTH STREET LIVE THAT RESULTED IN A PERSONAL INJURY LAWSUIT. WHILE EXACT STATISTICS ON BOUNCER RELATED INCIDENTS AREN'T READILY READILY AVAILABLE, THESE CASES HELP ILLUSTRATE A PATTERN OF CONCERNS AROUND BOUNCER BEHAVIOR AND THE NEED FOR IMPROVED OVERSIGHT. KEEP IN MIND THAT MANY, IF NOT MOST, BOUNCER RELATED INCIDENTS GO UNREPORTED FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WHETHER THAT'S FEAR OF RETALIATION, FEAR OF GOING AGAINST AUTHORITY, GUILT, OR EVEN NOT WANTING TO REPORT SOMEBODY AT A BAR THAT YOU FREQUENT. SO HOW MANY UNARMED SECURITY PROFESSIONALS ARE IN LOUISVILLE? WELL, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT NUMBER FOR US TO NAIL DOWN. AND THAT INFORMATION IS NOT READILY AVAILABLE FOR US. BUT I CAN SAY THAT ACCORDING TO THE US BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, THERE ARE 4610 SECURITY GUARDS AS OF MAY 2023, I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS THAT THAT NUMBER, HOWEVER YOU PERCEIVE IT, OUR, GOAL FOR HIRING LMPD OFFICERS IS ABOUT 1300. SO THIS NUMBER IS FAR GREATER THAN THAT. THE DEMAND FOR UNARMED SECURITY GUARDS IS GROWING WITH OVER 70 JOB OPENINGS FOR POSITIONS IN LOUISVILLE THAT ARE RECENTLY LISTED ON SITES LIKE. INDEED. AND WE ONLY SEE THIS NUMBER AGAIN GROWING. THE MEDIAN WAGE FOR SECURITY PROFESSIONALS IN LOUISVILLE VARIES DEPENDING ON THEIR ROLE. FOR UNARMED SECURITY GUARDS, THE MEDIAN SALARY IS AROUND $35,957 ANNUALLY AS OF 2024. FOR MORE SECURITY PROFESSIONALS, THE MEDIAN SALARY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED. BUT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS FOR UNARMED SECURITY ARE SO MYSTERIOUS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY LICENSES THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN. NOW, WILL THIS CREATE A SHORTAGE OF SECURITY WORKERS? WE CAN'T REALLY SAY, BUT IT WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TRAINED BOUNCERS OR SECURITY PROFESSIONALS. ONE COULD ARGUE THAT SHRINKING THIS POOL OF SECURITY PROFESSIONALS TO ONLY TRAINED AND LICENSED SECURITY PROFESSIONALS WOULD 
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INCREASE WAGES BASED ON DEMAND AND SKILL. AND IF THIS IS RESTRICTIVE FOR SOME PEOPLE FOR A CAREER PATH FORWARD, BECAUSE THEIR TRAINING OR BACKGROUND DON'T ALIGN, I WOULD SAY HOPE YOU CAN FIND ANOTHER JOB BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAINED PROFESSIONALS WITH GOOD DECISION MAKING SKILLS ARE LEADING THE CHARGE. THE COST FOR WITH THIS LEGISLATION, THE COST FOR A SECURITY PROFESSIONALS ONE TIME TRAINING, IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT $150 TO $300. THE FIRST LICENSE THAT'S ISSUED BY OUR LOCAL ABC WOULD COST $125, $25 OF THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS CREATING THE PHYSICAL LICENSE THAT WOULD BE GIVEN TO THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND SUBSEQUENTLY IT WOULD COST $100 ANNUALLY TO RENEW. AND AGAIN, I SAID ONE TIME. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT STRUCTURED, THIS IS A ONE TIME TRAINING. SO YOU GET IT ONCE AND YOU'RE DONE. IT'S NOTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO RENEW. AND AGAIN, SINCE WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, I'M HAPPY TO ADJUST THAT LANGUAGE OR VISIT A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. AND FURTHERMORE, THIS LEGISLATION WOULD SAFEGUARD BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR LEGITIMATE SECURITY PERSONNEL. WE ALREADY HAVE A DASHBOARD WITH RECOMMENDED TRAINERS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS, PEOPLE WHO THEY KNOW HAVE THE TRAINING AND SKILLS THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS SAFE. I'M ALMOST DONE, AND I'M REALIZING I COULD HAVE MADE THIS INTO A INTO A PRESENTATION. SO YOU ALL COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT OTHER THAN ME. SO WHAT ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IMPLEMENTING THIS LEGISLATION? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAS BEEN A BIG TALKING POINT AS IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED AS NEW BUSINESS. AND THROUGHOUT MY INITIAL DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR, I WAS GIVEN AN ESTIMATE ABOUT $500,000 TO IMPLEMENT THIS LEGISLATION. 398,000, ROUGHLY, WOULD BE TO HIRE FOUR NEW ABC OFFICERS AND THE REMAINING WOULD BE USED TO UPDATE ACELA, WHICH IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE USE TO KEEP TRACK OF OUR LICENSING. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A ONE TIME CHARGE TO UPDATE OUR TECHNOLOGY FRAMEWORK. I DO NOT HAVE A COST FOR HOW MUCH THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COST, AND I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE COSTING $100,000, BUT I'VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE. WE WERE TOLD RECENTLY BY THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS LEGISLATION WOULD COST ABOUT $15 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT. I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO PICK YOUR JAWS UP OFF OF THE FLOOR. THAT IS AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER, ESPECIALLY WHEN COMPARED TO $500,000. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A HUGE DISCREPANCY FROM THE ORIGINAL THAT I WAS GIVEN, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN ADJUSTED, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I WELCOME A COST ANALYSIS ON THIS LEGISLATION SO WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAN IMPACT LOUISVILLE METRO. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS LEGISLATION COMES DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT COLLEAGUES. IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU HEAR TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT NO MATTER WHAT LEGISLATION THAT WE PUT OUT THERE, IT WILL NOT BE ENFORCED. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR THE PEOPLE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WE PASS FROM ABC TO LMAS TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO EVEN LMPD, LOUISVILLE METRO DOES NOT HAVE THE WORKFORCE TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THIS CITY. WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE AN EARNEST LOOK AT OUR STAFFING CRISIS, ESPECIALLY AS WE EXAMINE OUR HR AUDIT AND APPROACH NEXT BUDGET SEASON, WHETHER OR NOT THIS LEGISLATION IS PASSED. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT LOUISVILLE METRO ABC EMPLOYS ABOUT SIX INDIVIDUALS, AND THEY OVERSEE 19 DIFFERENT LICENSES. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY OVERSEE EVERYTHING FROM LOUD NOISE CONTROL TO TAXIS TO STRIPPERS. SO I'M NOT ARGUING THAT THIS DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY OVERBURDENED, BUT I'M NOT LOOKING TO ADD ON TO THEIR BURDEN. BUT RATHER LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO EASE THEIR LOAD AS WE CREATE LEGISLATION TO SAFEGUARD THIS WILD CITY. SO SOME OF THE CHANGES UP FOR CONSIDERATION AND OTHERS, BUT SOME THAT I'LL JUST START OFF THE CONVERSATION WITH WOULD BE THINGS LIKE STRIKING THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CAN BE COST PROHIBITIVE. WE COULD ALSO ADD AN ADDENDUM TO IDENTIFY A TIMELINE FOR THIS LEGISLATION TO GO INTO EFFECT. CURRENTLY IT IS NOT IN THERE, BUT HONESTLY, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED SINCE IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME FOR US TO ROLL THIS OUT AND ALSO CREATE THE MARKETING BEHIND IT IN ORDER TO BE GOOD PLAYERS FOR OUR 
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BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT AN INDIVIDUAL, SO WE CAN CREATE SOLID MARKETING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT TURNING ON WITH THE FLIP OF THE SWITCH, THAT THEY HAVE TIME TO PREPARE. AND WE CAN ALSO ADD LANGUAGE THAT MORE CLEARLY DEFINES WHO THIS LEGISLATION APPLIES TO. LIKE I SAID, WE CANNOT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND HAVE BEEN TOLD, TIE THIS LEGISLATION TO ESTABLISHMENTS SERVING ALCOHOL. AND SO HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE IN PLACES ARE GETTING THIS TRAINING WHILE ALSO, BEING MINDFUL OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SECURITY PROFESSIONALS THAT WE EMPLOY HERE IN LOUISVILLE. SO I'LL PAUSE HERE NOW, AND I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL ASKING QUESTIONS OR HAVING CONVERSATION. AND THEN I AGAIN, LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING RESUMING THIS CONVERSATION AT THE NEXT PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN RICK BLACKWELL AND PATRICK MULVIHILL. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. I GUESS, ABC DIRECTOR BRAD SILVERIA IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. COULD YOU PLEASE STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU MAY BEGIN. HELLO, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS BRAD SAVARY. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL. AND WE'RE ALSO THE OFFICE OF SPECIALTY PERMITS AND LICENSES. SO I DON'T DO BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH VERY WELL. SO I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF THIS WAS DONE, PRIOR TO EVEN WALKING IN, MAKING SURE I HAVE MY NUMBERS. RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO SOME OF THIS. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE'VE REVIEWED NUMEROUS CITIES AND STATES WHO HAVE SIMILAR LEGISLATION AND THE UNARMED SECURITY, IT APPEARS THAT MAYBE ALL THE SECURITY GUARD LICENSING THAT I'VE FOUND SO FAR WITH MAYBE EXCEPTION TO DENVER, COLORADO, THESE WERE LISTED IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSES ARE STATE MANDATED SECURITY LICENSING. AND SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS. AND WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT. AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY THE DATA WAS PULLED FROM THE 2020 CENSUS AND THEN DATA FROM THE VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'VE CITED. AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL ONE BY ONE. AND, I WILL SAY THAT CURRENTLY WRITTEN AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL ADDRESSED IT IS THE SCOPE WOULD APPLY TO PLACES THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WERE WERE THE INTENT. I MEAN, SHE'S ALREADY EXPLAINED WHERE THE INTENT WANTS TO BE. BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, ACTORS THEATER OR AN USHER IN A CHURCH WHO'S ALSO PERFORMING MAYBE A SECURITY FUNCTION. COULD BE THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE CONVENTION CENTER. YOU CAN NAME SOME PLACES THAT YOU YOU SEE AN UNARMED SECURITY GUARD. AND THEN WHERE DO YOU WANT THEM? WHERE DO YOU NOT WANT THEM TO BE LICENSED? I MEAN, AGAIN, AND I'LL SAY, AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, ALL THAT KNOW ME AND HAVE WORKED WITH ME, I'M ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND ENFORCEMENT AND TRAINING AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I STAND FOR. AND I STAND BEFORE YOU ALL TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ABOUT. I BELIEVE ANYBODY THAT WORKS WITH ME KNOWS THAT THAT'S WHAT I WHEN I SPEAK, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ALWAYS ADVOCATING FOR. I DO WANT TO CORRECT ONE THING. WE DO HAVE MORE THAN SIX EMPLOYEES, WE ARE SHORT SOME, WE HAVE 11 AUTHORIZED ENFORCEMENT STAFF, WITH FIVE LICENSING PERSONNEL. AND SO WE ARE SURE WE DO HAVE ONE IN THE POLICE ACADEMY AS WE SPEAK. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAINING CAPACITY, BASED ON THE NUMBERS OF THE GUARDS AS AS IS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS AND THE NUMBERS THAT COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT WERE AN ESTIMATE, TO BE HONEST. AND I'LL. I'LL TAKE FAULT IN THIS. I BELIEVED, BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT 450 APPROXIMATE ARMED GUARDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A VERY. I FIGURED IT'D BE MORE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE THIS MUCH MORE. SO I WILL SAY THAT WHEN I TELL YOU THESE NUMBERS, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO. SOME PEOPLE WILL, BE TAKEN ABACK BY THE NUMBERS, THE COST OF ARMED TRAINING CURRENTLY, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL PROBABLY BE VERY SIMILAR, SHOULD THIS BODY PASS THIS ORDINANCE, IS THE ARM ARMED GUARDS CURRENTLY CHARGED BETWEEN 150 AND $300 FOR THEIR TRAINING, ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AGO, I GOT A TEXT FROM AN INSURANCE BROKER WITH AN IDEA OF THE COST FOR THE WORKER'S COMP INSURANCE, AND THAT THAT IS VERY FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, WOULD BE VERY COST PROHIBITIVE. SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF 2500 TO $3000 PER GUARD FOR $1 MILLION POLICY. AND THAT COULD BE JUST THAT COMPANY. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. IF THAT'S JUST, MAYBE INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT THAT WOULD IN FACT BE, I BELIEVE, PROHIBITIVE TO A $40,000 A YEAR POSITION, LET'S COVER SOME NUMBERS AND THEN I'LL GO INTO, MY LOGIC AND MY REASONING. AND, 
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YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M I'M GREAT. I'M PRETTY GOOD ON SPREADSHEETS, AND I CAN COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE IDEAS, BUT SAN DIEGO HAS 10,569 GUARDS, AND SO WE'RE I'VE GOT POPULATION NUMBERS AND THINGS TO GO WITH IT. SO IF ANYBODY COMES UP WITH QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME, JUMP IN AND I'LL ANSWER THEM AS WE GO. SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA HAS 11,037. SAN FRANCISCO IS 7859, DENVER IS THE ONE THAT APPEARS TO BE A CITY RELATED ORDINANCE, WHICH IS 10,740. AND I DON'T FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S A TRAINING COMPONENT. THERE IS A REGISTRATION WITHOUT, REQUIREMENT OF TRAINING AND LICENSING. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A REGISTRATION, IF YOU WILL. MEMPHIS IS LOOKING LIKE. 10,293 SECURITY GUARDS. THEN WE HAVE SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA, 9377. YOU HAVE OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA, AT 7853. AND GREENVILLE NORTH CAROLINA IS SITTING AT SEVEN. PARDON ME, 980. SO AS WE FIGURE OUT THE POPULATION AND DO SOME COMPARISONS, THE BEST WE CAN COME UP WITH IS WE BELIEVE IN LOUISVILLE TAKING CENSUS DATA INTO ACCOUNT. AND NONCOMPLIANCE AND SOME OTHER, CONCERNS WE HAVE. AND WE ALSO HAVE A 4:00 LICENSE. A LOT OF THESE CITIES DON'T HAVE SOME SOME OF THE BARS THAT I JUST NAMED. THEY CLOSE AT 2 A.M. WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONE OF PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY TEN CITIES THAT STAY OPEN UNTIL 4 A.M. SO WE'RE OUR ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 10,568, AND THEN WE CAN MAYBE EVEN SUBTRACT OUT THE 450 APPROXIMATE ARMED GUARDS. SO WE'RE IN THE 10,000 RANGE. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF COVER IS, AND AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL SAID IT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE AND ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT FROM TRYING TO ADMINISTER THIS. AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. 
          ANYTHING WE DO, WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT AND MAKE MAKE THIS BODY PROUD AND MAKE THE CITY YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. AND THE ABC, WE'RE A NEW DEPARTMENT. WE'RE CURRENTLY ISSUING ABOUT 3000 LICENSES ANNUALLY AT ABC ON A ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND, THAT'S THAT'S JUST AN AVERAGE. I CAN PULL THE NUMBERS. I RAN THE FISCAL YEAR REPORT, AND I'VE GOT THOSE NUMBERS AVAILABLE IF YOU IF ANYBODY DOES WANT, I'LL CIRCLE BACK AGAIN. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL SAID IT THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, I THINK WOULD BE HUGE DOING A STUDY AND FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHO THIS APPLIES TO, THAT IT'S FUNDED PROPERLY, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, CARRIED OUT AND ACTUALLY EXECUTED WELL, BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS WE HAVE NINE ARMED SECURITY TRAINERS. IF ALL OF THOSE TRAINERS BECOME THE TRAINERS FOR THIS ORDINANCE, AS WELL, THEN THE CONCERN IS HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR OVER 10,000 PEOPLE TO BE TRAINED AND TO BE ADEQUATELY TRAINED AND THEN GET LICENSED, YOU KNOW, SO ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL TODAY. I TOLD YOU THE COST OF THE AVERAGE POLICY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, THAT THAT'S AVERAGE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THAT'S ONE PRICE I RECEIVED WAS AROUND 2500 TO 3000 FOR A LIABILITY POLICY. THE ESTIMATE IF AND THIS IS BASED ON IF ABC HAS APPROXIMATELY 3000 LICENSES THAT WE ISSUE ON AN ANNUAL FROM LICENSES THAT BORROWERS TO, TAXI CABS, YOU NAME IT. SO WE'RE WE'RE PUSHING OUT APPROXIMATELY 3000. WE'RE LOOKING THAT IF YOU THINK 3000 AND THEN WE'RE TALKING MAYBE A POSSIBILITY OF 10,000 OR MORE LICENSES THAT WILL ADD ON TOP OF THAT. THEN IN THEORY, WE NEED TO ADD ABOUT TRIPLE TO 3.5 TIMES OUR, OUR STAFFING. AND SO IT WASN'T 15, BUT WHAT I CAME UP WITH A NUMBER RIGHT AT 9 MILLION, ALMOST 9 MILLION, 50,000. THAT'LL INCLUDE AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF READ SOME OF THESE COSTS SO YOU CAN AS THE CITY COUNCIL, HEAR THESE THINGS FROM VEHICLES. ACELA ACCOUNTS POSSIBLY HAVING TO BUILD IT INTO THE ACELA, PLATFORM, WHICH MAY HAVE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD IT IN, AS WITH ONE OF THE OTHER. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY CLEAR ON THAT YET, THE UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT, WEAPONS, BODY ARMOR, FURNITURE AND FIXTURES. AND THEN ON TOP OF THIS, IF WE GROW REALLY BY ONE MORE POSITION. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ROOM IN THE LOCATION WE'RE IN, OTHER THAN I CAN PROBABLY SQUEEZE IN ONE MORE SPOT. SO THEN WE HAVE A LEASE COST THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHERE WE HAVE TO 
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FIND AN OFFICE WHERE WE CAN ADEQUATELY, MAINTAIN OUR EMPLOYEES AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAVE A GOOD WORKPLACE. CURRENTLY, WE'RE AT THE 444 METRO DEVELOPMENT CENTER ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SHARING THAT WITH CODES AND REGULATIONS. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE OTHER THAN QUESTIONS. AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. I HAVE, LOTS OF PAPERS IN FRONT OF ME, AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER. AND GO FROM THERE. DO ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE HAVE, WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN SHOEMAKER. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU, I HAD MY QUESTION BEFORE YOU GAVE YOUR PART OF THIS, BUT NOW I HAVE, SOME RELATED QUESTIONS. I DON'T I'M I JUST RECALL BEING A SECURITY OFFICER AND HAVING TO GET A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR'S LICENSE AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH SOME TRAINING. THAT WAS THROUGH THE SECURITY COMPANY. AND THEN GOING THROUGH THAT LICENSURE PROCESS. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT OTHER DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND THEN I IMAGINE IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN, THERE WOULD BE A LEARNING CURVE, A BIG, YOU KNOW, A SHIFT OVER. AND SO I CAN THANK YOU FOR BREAKING DOWN WHAT YOUR STAFF IS AND, THE COST, WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT BE FROM MY COLLEAGUES INITIAL ESTIMATE OF 500,000 TO 9 MILLION IS HUGE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY, RAISED MY AWARENES. THE, THE ISSUE THAT WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET AT IS TO SEE YOU, ONLY YOU HAVE NINE ARMED SECURITY TRAINERS THAT ARE THROUGH YOU. THERE ARE OTHER TRAINERS AVAILABLE IN KENTUCKY AND IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. THEY'RE JUST NOT EMPLOYED THROUGH YOU. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE ARMED SECURITY TRAINERS WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYED BY METRO GOVERNMENT AT ALL. THEY ARE PEOPLE WE CERTIFY THEIR CURRICULUM COMES TO ME, IN MY OFFICE, AND WE REVIEW THAT, MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE WOULD CERTIFY THAT PERSON. SO WE WOULD HAVE HAVE A HUGE GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF MAYBE IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE ARMED SECURITY FOLKS DOING THE TRAINING. WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO OUT AND RECRUIT QUITE A FEW THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT MEET THIS CURRICULUM. SO AND THEY WOULD NOT WORK FOR METRO. THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY WORK FOR THEMSELVES. AND THEN THE CUSTOMER, THE UNARMED GUARD WOULD THEN PAY FOR THAT SERVICE FOR THAT CERTIFICATE. OKAY. AND THEN SO YOUR TEAM WOULD JUST BE THE FINAL STAMP OF APPROVAL OF IT, BUT IT STILL ADDS CAPACITY ISSUES FOR YOUR TEAM. IT DOES. YES, MA'AM. DO YOU AGREE WITH, AND I HEARD YOU CORRECT ON THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE 11 ABC STAFF. YES MA'AM. AND THEN YOU HAVE FIVE THAT DO LICENSING. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO ARE YOUR NUMBERS BASED ON ADDING FOUR MORE PEOPLE OR FIVE PEOPLE? NO, MA'AM. IT WAS ESSENTIALLY WE HAD WE WOULD HAVE TO IF WE'RE DOING OVER 10,000 LICENSES ON TOP OF OUR 3000 ALREADY DOING IN MY ESTIMATION, WE MIGHT HAVE TO TRIPLE MAYBE ALMOST FOUR TIMES OUR STAFF TO ACCOMMODATE AND CONTINUALLY RENEW THESE LICENSES. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST PART OF THE QUESTION IS IF YOU TOOK ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS THERE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A LICENSURE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ON THAT YOU HAD TO STAGGER OR TO WEAVE IN TO YOUR PROCESSES? I'M IMAGINING ALL 19 OF THESE LICENSES DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU SOME OF THEM PROBABLY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT SOME OF THEM YOU HAD TO BUILD IN PROCESSES. DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING WHERE IT CAUSED THAT INFLUX? NOT YET. I WILL SAY WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, THOUGH, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING SITUATION WE WORKED ON, AND THAT WAS REALLY THE POINT IN TIME IN WHICH MY STAFF INFORMED ME THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD ANY MORE CAPACITY, WHERE OUR APPOINTMENTS WERE GOING WEEKS OUT AT A TIME, AND PEOPLE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE STARTING TO RUN INTO SPOTS WHERE THEY COULDN'T GET IN. SO IT WAS, THE ONLY CORRECT SITUATION IS TO GROW THIS AND GROW IT THE RIGHT WAY, SO WE, IT CAN BE ADMINISTERED AND FOLLOWED AND THEN ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS WHO DON'T FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES, THEN ENFORCEMENT CATCHES THAT SITUATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY GET AND STAY LICENSED AS WELL. OKAY. AND YOU SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EITHER WAY YOU'RE OUTGROWING YOUR SPACE IS THE SPACE YOU'RE IN. YOU DON'T PAY A LEASE FOR IT NOW. IS IT A METRO GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM. IT'S METRO GOVERNMENT OWNED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU ADDED THAT OTHER PIECE ABOUT LEASING. 
          OKAY THANK YOU. I HAD TO ADD A TEMPORARY SITUATION FOR AN EMPLOYEE, AND WE BORROWED A DESK FROM BRIGHTSIDE THAT WAS VACANT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. SO I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE REALLY, AT KIND OF AT THE LIMITS OF WHAT WE CAN OCCUPY IN OUR CURRENT SPACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. I HAVE JENNIFER CHAPPELL IN THE 
          [00:35:06]
QUEUE NOW. JENNIFER CHAPPELL, PLEASE. I I'LL LET COUNCILMAN MULVIHILL GO FIRST, AND THEN I'LL CHIME IN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, BRAD, FOR BEING HERE. I'M SORRY I GOT ON HERE A FEW MINUTES LATE, AND MAYBE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED. AND IF NOT, I'D. MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME. EITHER YOU OR JENNIFER CAN MAYBE TRY TO ANSWER THIS. I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF IT SEEMS FOCUSED ON OUR COST, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT IT MIGHT COST US TO RAMP UP AND THEN ANNUALLY LICENSE A LICENSE. THESE INDIVIDUALS, MY OTHER CONCERN IS, AND MAYBE IT WAS DISCUSSED AND YOU ALL CAN ENLIGHTEN ME. WHAT IS THE COST TO A BUSINESS THAT NOW HAS AN ARMED SECURITY TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS? THE INSURANCE POTENTIALLY. AND THE ANNUAL TRAINING. WHAT IS THERE ADDITIONAL COST TO HAVE THESE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, MONITOR THEIR PROPERTIES? AND I THINK THE LAST AND THEN A FOLLOW UP TO THAT QUESTION IS, I THINK WHEN THIS LAW WAS INIALLY LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I DO APPRECIATE, THIS COMING FORWARD AND THIS MAY BE A WAY AROUND IT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST MAKING AN A, B, C ESTABLISHMENTS, I THINK THERE WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE CONFLICT OF PREEMPTION WITH THE A, B, C LAWS. BUT NOW THIS ISN'T JUST A, B, C LAW THIS IS ANY BUILDING YOU WALK IN DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, PNC PLAZA, 400 WEST MARKET, THOSE FOLKSHAT E SIING THERE GREETING YOU ARE ASNG, , W I SECURITY. SO THIS IS MUCH OADER VERSION THAN, I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF IT WAS, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TRAINED. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE COST TO THOSE FOLKS MAY BE. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER? YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER AT LEAST A PART? I KNOW YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO INVITE MISS LYON TO MAYBE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, EXPLAIN FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T IN OUR CONVERSATIONS. AN REFRESHER FOR MYSELF, WHY WE CAN'T TIE THIS TO, ALCOHOL SERVING ESTABLISHMENTS. SO, ALYSSA, I WILL SAY THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CURRENTLY IN ARMED SECURITY TRAINING COURSE RUN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 150 AND $300, AND MY BELIEF IS, AND THIS IS COMPLETE BELIEF, IS THAT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS COSTLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE GUN RANGE FOR PART OF THIS TRAINING. IT'S A VERY SIMILAR CURRICULUM, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE RANGE TO QUALIFY. SO I THINK IT WOULD MAYBE BE LESS THAN THE ARMED SECURITY, BUT WE'RE BASING IT STRICTLY ON THE ARMED SECURITY COSTS. SO THEY WOULD INCUR THAT. THE, LIABILITY INSURANCE COST, WHICH COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL ADDRESSED, WOULD I? THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, COMPLETELY COST PROHIBITIVE, IF YOU ASK ME. AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ALICE, WHO CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT ABC ESTABLISHMENTS. THIS IS ALICE LYON WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER, MULVIHILL MENTIONED IN THE PAST, OUR OFFICE HAS LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE AS BEING TIED JUST TO LICENSED ALCOHOL PREMISES. AND THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE SCHEME IN KRS THAT COVERS HOW LICENSES ARE, ARE PENALIZED, WHAT STAFF HAS TO HAVE, WHAT WHAT CATEGORIES ARE REQUIRED. 
          AND WE'RE PREEMPTED FROM CHANGING THAT SCHEME. AS COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE NUMBERS, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF LEGISLATION FROM OTHER, OTHER PLACES, AND WE'VE COMPARED IT AND, LEARNED A LOT. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE REALLY HARD TO CALCULATE, ESPECIALLY COMPARING US TO A LOT OF THOSE CITIES LIKE SAN DIEGO AND SAN FRANCISCO, BUT IT'S ALSO INTERESTING HOW GREENVILLE HAS 10,000 SECURITY OFFICERS, THE SAME AS, 3000 MORE THAN SAN FRANCISCO. IT THEY THEY ALL I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT BASED OFF OF SOMETHING, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT. AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS AND THEIR NUMBER OF 4610, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE POLICE OR TSA, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CORRECTIONS STAFF OR SOME OTHER, OTHER SECURITY PROFESSIONALS THAT, THAT HAVE LARGE POPULATIONS. 
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WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE RESTRICTED IT SOMEWHAT SO FAR SO THAT IF YOU ARE A SECURITY PROFESSIONAL WORKING UNDER A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT, THEN YOU ARE OMITTED FROM HAVING THIS LICENSURE, GREAT. CASE IN POINT, THIS PAST WEEKEND AND THIS UPCOMING WEEKEND, WE'VE GOT BOURBON AND BEYOND AND LOUDER THAN LIFE. IT'S UNREALISTIC FOR US TO HAVE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE SECURITY PROFESSIONALS ARE TRAINED WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO AND CARRY THAT LICENSE. I THINK THAT WOULD CERU ALL TO HAVE TO PIVOT EVERY TIME THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT GOING ON. SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS LEGISLATION ALREADY OMITS THOSE INDIVIDUALS, WHICH ALSO COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT RESTRICTING THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S APPLYING TO THE INDIVIDUALS WE WANT IT TO APPLY TO, SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD. SO FAR, OR AT LEAST TOSSED AROUND, IS TYING THIS TO ZONING THE ZONING OF A BUILDING. SO ANY BUILDING UNDER THIS CLASSIFICATION OR ZONING CAN IS REQUIRED TO HAVE LICENSED, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS. THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP US WITH THE PERSON AT PNC WHO'S SITTING AT THE FRONT, WORKING. BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT PERSON PROBABLY NEEDS TRAINING AS WELL, IT'S NOT JUST DRUNK PEOPLE THAT GET OUT OF HAND, THERE'S ALSO THIS TRAINING COVERS THINGS LIKE DE-ESCALATION TRAINING, FIRST AID, CROWD CONTROL, ACTIVE SHOOTER. SO THESE ARE SITUATIONS THAT YOU DON'T JUST ENCOUNTER IN A BAR. YOU ENCOUNTER THESE EVERYWHERE THAT THE PUBLIC IS, ABLE TO ACCESS. I WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE AND AS YOU SAID, THAT YOU'RE THE ABC, BUT YOU'RE ALSO THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL PERMITS AND LICENSES LICENSES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD ALSO BE LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD INCLUDE THAT SAYS ANYONE OPERATING AS A SECURITY PROFESSIONAL IN A BUSINESS THAT IS OVERSEEN BY THE OFFICE OF PERMITS AND LICENSES, THAT REMOVES THE ALCOHOL, MAYBE. AND THAT COULD BE A PATHWAY FORWARD. SO AGAIN, I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE, AND SO I KNOW THAT IT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN RIGHT NOW IN THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION AND WRAPPING YOUR HEAD AROUND IT. AND OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DIGEST TODAY, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS. AND LIKE I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE, I THINK WE CAN AGREE PUBLIC SAFETY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO HOW CAN WE GET THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE? SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. VIRTUALLY ANYBODY. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE SPEAKERS. DO ANY OF THE SPONSORS REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED? CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION? SECOND? ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? HEARING? NONE. THE ITEM IS TABLED. OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16TH AT 4 P.M. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. HAVING NO FURTHER 
          [Adjournment
Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]
BUSINESS BEFORE US, WE STAND ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.