Sep 25, 2024 Equity, Community Affairs, Housing, Health and Education (trimmed)

OKAY OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE EQUITY, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, HOUSING, HEALTH AND

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SO WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF GAG AND TALK A LONG TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE THINGS THAT HAVE TO GET OUT. SO. AND WE WILL. I HAVE A SPECIAL, A SPECIAL ITEM ON HERE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LAST BECAUSE WE HAVE SIX OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH AS SOON AS WE CAN. OKAY SO CAN YOU READ NUMBER TWO, PLEASE? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE, A READ IN FULL. THANK YOU. ITEM TWO A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING

[2. R-099-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILLE METRO PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS CONCERNING INCREASING PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AND GENERAL WELLBEING OF JEFFERSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL (“JCPS”) STUDENTS AND STAFF - (PLAYWORKS EDUCATION ENERGIZED - $73,000.00). Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Andrew Owen (D-9) ]

NOTE I DIDN'T NOTICE, COUNCILMAN PARRISH RIGHT. I DID NOTICE HER, BUT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. SHE WAS SITTING THERE. SHE'S A VISITOR ON OUR COMMITTEE. OKAY, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE CLERK, PLEASE? OF COURSE. GOOD AFTERNOON. TAYLOR INGRAM AND I SERVE AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS. THANK YOU. SURE AND WITH YOUR SUPPORT, WE'RE LOOKING TO CONTINUE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH PLAYWORKS TO ENCOURAGE ACTIVE AND INCLUSIVE PLAY. AND IMPROVE YOUTH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH. PLAYWORKS IS A NATIONAL NONPROFIT WITH 20 YEARS, 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN PROVIDING EVIDENCE BASED PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONSULTANCY TO SCHOOLS, YOUTH SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AND EARLY CHILDHOOD ORGANIZATIONS RELATED TO PLAY. THE GRANT THAT FUNDS THIS WORK IS PROVIDED BY THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT FOR PUBLIC HEALTH, AND IS FOCUSED ON THE ROLE THAT COMMUNITY AGENCIES AND EDUCATORS PLAY IN IMPROVING PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF YOUTH. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THIS FUNDING HAS SUPPORTED TRAINING FOR OVER 170 EDUCATORS HERE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. POTENTIAL PARTNERS FOR THIS YEAR. IN THE YEAR AHEAD, EARLY CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD WITH THE YMCA OF GREATER LOUISVILLE, THE LOUISVILLE SPORTS COMMISSION, AND CHILD CARE AWARE OF KENTUCKY. THERE'S ALSO BEEN PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION WITH SOME SCHOOLS OUTSIDE OF THE JCPS SYSTEM, AND THERE IS STILL SPACE AVAILABLE. SO IF YOU KNOW ANY EDUCATORS OR EDUCATION FACILITIES, WE'D LOVE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT GETTING THEM ENROLLED. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? SO ARE WE READY TO VOTE? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE ANYONE AGAINST IT? HEARING NONE, WE WILL SEND THIS TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. A

[3. R-101-24     A RESOLUTION COMMEMORATING AND RECOGNIZING OCTOBER 2, 2024, AS WRONGFUL CONVICTION DAY AND URGING STATE SUPPORT FOR WRONGFUL CONVICTION COMPENSATION. Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Shameka Parrish-Wright (D-3) ]

I'VE BEEN GIVEN FIVE MINUTES BY THE MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND TALK ABOUT WHY THIS IS A IS SO IMPORTANT. AT LEAST 22 KENTUCKIANS AND SEVEN LOUISVILLIANS HAVE BEEN EXONERATED, WITH THE COMBINED TOTAL OF 214 YEARS OF LOST LIBERTY. THE THREE LOUISVILLIANS HERE TODAY, JEANETTE CARR, MICHAEL VAUGHAN AND PAUL HURT, AND ALSO FOUR ADDITIONAL LOUISVILLIANS HAVE ALSO BEEN EXONERATED EDWIN CHANDLER,

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I HOPE THAT I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY, AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THERE WAS A PERSON THAT SAT IN LOUISVILLE METRO JAIL, OUR JAIL, FOR SIX YEARS, AND HIS CASE WAS FOUGHT BY OUR LOUISVILLE METRO PUBLIC DEFENDERS. HE WAS EVENTUALLY EXONERATED, BUT WHEN HE GOT OUT, HE HAD GAINED 100 POUNDS, LOST A BUNCH OF TEETH, LOST HIS FAMILY, LOST HIS JOB, AND HIS FRIEND HAD TO GET MONEY TOGETHER TO EVEN PUT HIM IN A HOTEL. SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE EXONERATED, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY QUALIFY FOR REENTRY BENEFITS AND RESOURCES. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT. AND I KNOW AFTER THE NEWS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN MISSOURI YESTERDAY, THIS IS A VERY HEAVY SUBJECT. I JUST APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION PAID TO THIS AND DID NOT PICK THIS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT COMMITTEE WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO, BUT I'M HONORED TO BE HERE TO REPRESENT THAT TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGFULLY CONVICTED AND INCARCERATED. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HEAR YOU, WE SEE YOU, WE SUPPORT YOU. THIS RESOLUTION IS A FIRST STEP, AND WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING TO SUPPORT YOU IN WHATEVER WAYS WE CAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE ASK QUESTIONS, COUNCILWOMAN MARILYN PARKER HAS JOINED US, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE A COMMENT. CARRIE PORTER, HE LIVED IN DISTRICT TWO. HE GREW UP WITH. GREW UP WITH MY KIDS. AND SO I KNOW HIM VERY WELL. AND HE WENT THROUGH A LOT, HE WENT TO JAIL FOR EIGHT YEARS FOR KILLING SOMEONE. THAT HE DIDN'T DO IT. HE WOULD. HE DID GET $8 MILLION FROM IT, AND HE GOT $8 MILLION FOR SERVING EIGHT YEARS IN JAIL FOR A KILLING THAT HE DIDN'T DO. HE HAD A TWIN BROTHER. AND WHAT A TWIN BROTHER DIDN'T DO IT, BUT HE THEY GOT HIM MIXED UP IN SOME KIND OF WAY. HE WENT TO JAIL FOR EIGHT YEARS, SO HE'S STILL WALKING AROUND NEWBURGH. SO ANYWAY. BUT I'M GLAD HE WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS ABLE TO GET THE FUNDING FOR BEING IN THERE ALL THAT TIME AND NOT HADN'T DONE A THING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND COUNCILMAN BAKER FOR CO-SPONSORING THIS LEGISLATION.

I'M HONORED. AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE BACKSTORY OF CARRIE. THANK YOU. CARRIE STALEY.

NEWBERG. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO OTHER QUESTIONS ARE CONCERNED. SO WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NO ONE AGAINST IT. SO WE WILL SEND THIS TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OKAY. THE NEXT NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. A

[4. R-102-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $1,146,031 FROM THE KENTUCKIANA REGIONAL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AGENCY (KIPDA) THROUGH THE CABINET FOR HEALTH AND FAMILY SERVICES OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF RESILIENCE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ]

OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SAM. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN. WHERE WHERE WILL THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PLACES? WHICH LOCATIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I KNOW ONE

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AND I'M SURE THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH. YOU MENTIONED FAIRDALE AND SOUTH BEND. YES. YES AND SHAMALI. YES AND RANGELAND? YES, MA'AM. YEAH. FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD. PLACE THANK YOU. THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE TWO OUT IN THE SOUTH END. FAIRDALE AND VALLEY. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NOBODY'S TALKING TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? I, I NO ONE'S AGAINST IT, SO WE WILL SEND IT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. OKAY.

[5. R-103-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILLE METRO PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS CONCERNING SPECIALIZED PHYSICIAN SERVICES IN THE AREA OF CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY TREATMENT - (DR. MARK JORRISCH, M.D. - $183,960.00). Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Jecorey Arthur (I-4) ]

[6. R-104-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR LOUISVILE METRO PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS CONCERNING ITS EMPLOYMENT OF A LABORATORY DIRECTOR - (UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE - $92,507.15). Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Barbara Shanklin (D-2) ]

[7. R-105-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $50,000 OF FUNDING FROM JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY THROUGH THE BLOOMBERG CENTER OF PUBLIC INNOVATION GRANT PROGRAM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. Action Required By: March 19, 2025 Sponsors: Phillip T. Baker (D-6) ]

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SECOND. THANK YOU. CAN YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRPERSON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS PAUL CALLAN WITH THE OFFICE FOR SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS GRANT IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST PHASE OF A TWO YEAR GRANT. $100,000 TOTAL 50,000 EACH YEAR, THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO OUR OFFICE THROUGH THE BLOOMBERG PHILANTHROPIES FOR THE LOVE YOUR BLOCK PROGRAM. AND THE CONCEPT IS BASICALLY, WE'LL BE USING THIS MONEY TO WORK WITH SHAWNEE COMMUNITY TO GO INTO 18 DISTRESSED ALLEYS WITHIN THE SHAWNEE COMMUNITY. REFURBISH THOSE ALLEYS, CLEAN THEM UP AND TURN THEM INTO ALLEY MARKET PLACES. SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND IDENTIFYING THOSE 18 ALLEYS, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH OTHER CITY AGENCIES, PUBLIC WORKS CODES AND STUFF AND CLEANING UP THOSE ALLEYS. AND THE RESIDENTS WILL USE THOSE ALLEYS AS MARKETPLACES, WHETHER IT'S LIKE GARAGE SALES THROUGH THE ALLEY AND STUFF. THE TOTAL PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT, THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT, IS THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO INCREASE SOCIAL COHESION WITHIN THOSE AREAS, INCREASE KNOWLEDGE OF CITY SERVICES AND SUPPORTS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT CITY AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF CLEANING THAT UP. AND IT'LL ALSO ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE RESIDENTS IN THE SHAWNEE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAMS AS WELL, TOO. SO IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFYING THOSE ALLEYS. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS GRANT IS THIS WAS A CONCEPT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US BY A SHAWNEE RESIDENT, AND I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OCEAN PROGRAM MANAGER JOE NEWLAND, WHO WORKED WITH THAT RESIDENT AND THE BLOOMBERG FOUNDATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THIS CONCEPT CAME TRUE. THANK YOU. ANY COUNCILMAN, A QUESTION AND A COMMENT. WILL THEY BE WORKING WITH THE ANTI-VIOLENCE COALITION AT ALL? YEAH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL BE COORDINATED WITH THAT AS WELL. TO THE GRANT ITSELF ALSO ALLOWS US TO HIRE A LOVE YOUR BLOCK FELLOW WHICH WILL COME FROM SHAWNEE. SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THAT PERSON ALSO SITS ON THE ANTI-VIOLENCE COALITION. AND THEN BLOOMBERG PAYS DIRECTLY FOR US TO HAVE AN AMERICORPS VISTA MEMBER AS WELL, TOO. SO BOTH THOSE PEOPLE WE ANTICIPATE BEING ON THE ANTI-VIOLENCE COALITION AS WELL. AND MY COMMENT IS JUST THAT THE SHAWNEE ANTI-VIOLENCE COALITION IS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHAT VIOLENCE PREVENTION SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THEM THEIR FLOWERS AND ENCOURAGE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD COALITIONS TO LEARN FROM THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST REALLY DOING REALLY INCREDIBLE WORK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE IDEA OF PUTTING MARKETPLACES AND ALLEYS IS CERTAINLY AN UNUSUAL ONE. HOW FORMAL ARE THESE BUSINESSES EXPECTED TO BE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE VERY INFORMAL, LIKE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OCCASIONALLY YARD SALES? OR ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIKE SET UP BASICALLY A FOOD TRUCK THAT BENDS OUT OF THEIR. WHAT'S THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE A LITTLE MORE? I ANTICIPATE THERE PROBABLY BE MORE OR LESS ON THE A MORE INFORMAL SIDE, PROBABLY SORT OF LIKE A GARAGE SALES TYPE STUFF, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH. CODES AND REGULATIONS ON THIS TO MAKE SURE WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IN THOSE ALLEYS AND WHAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY FORMALIZED BUSINESS ON A REGULAR BASIS. BUT, KIND OF A HALFWAY BETWEEN WHAT WOULD BE A GARAGE SALE, BECAUSE IMAGINE IF WE USED THAT ALLEYWAY AND EVERYBODY CAME OUT AND WAS ABLE TO DO THEIR OWN LITTLE GARAGE SALE ON THEIR BACK PROPERTY THAT FACES THAT ALLEYWAY. SO SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME BACK. I GUESS MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF NEXT SUMMER AND BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME GREATER DETAIL AS TO WHAT'S STARTING TO TAKE SHAPE.

OH YEAH. YES, MA'AM. WE WILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NO ONE SAID IT.

NO ONE'S AGAINST IT. SO WE WILL SEND IT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S ALL ABOUT LEGISLATION. SO WE HAVE ONE SPECIAL DISCUSSION AND WE'RE

[1. ID 24-0592     DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR SHELTER – Natalie Harris- Coalition for the Homeless]

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$32,100 FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES, AND THERE ARE NOW I SHOULD HAVE ADDED THE WORD OVERNIGHT. THERE ARE NOW TWO OVERNIGHT SHELTERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM AND OPEN UP ADDITIONAL SPACE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE A BED, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME INDOORS ON THOSE EXTRA NIGHTS, AND THEY ARE PAID, FOR EVERY PERSON THEY ENTER INTO THE DATA. THE MISS DATABASE, AS AN OVERFLOW EXTRA PERSON, $10 PER NIGHT, FOR THOSE STAYS, THE EXTING THING ABOUT THE PROGRAM IS THAT IT DOES SAVE LIVES, BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OVER TIME AS MORE NIGHTS BECOME WHITE FLAG AND ESPECIALLY MORE SUMMER NIGHTS BECOME WHITE FLAG, THAT WAS NOT REALLY AS MUCH OF THE PROGRAM IN THE PAST, THAT IT BECOMES MORE DISRUPTIVE BOTH FOR THE SHELTERS AND FOR THE PEOPLE, THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER WORLD THAT IS NOT, AS MUCH MY EXPERTISE, BUT IS COORDINATED THROUGH RESILIENCE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, THOUGH, WHICH IS THE LIKE INCLEMENT OR EXTREME WEATHER. SO IN ADDITION TO THIS, FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE CITY HAS GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ADD ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE PAID IN HOTELS AND OTHER SPACES. THAT ALLOW FOR SHORTER TERM STAYS IN THOSE OTHER ADDITIONAL SPACES. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH, CODES AND REGS ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE WAY OF EXPANDING SHELTER SPACES. AND IN TALKING TO JOEL DOCK, THERE REALLY ARE THREE AREAS THAT I'LL HIT ON. THE FIRST REALLY ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND SO I WILL JUST LIST THOSE HERE. BUT JOEL DOCK IS REALLY THE EXPERT HERE. THEY'VE BEEN HAVING HEARINGS ALREADY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ARE GOING TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS. PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT 15 YEARS AGO, THE CITY CREATED LICENSING FOR SHELTERS. SO IT'S A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS. THE SHELTER PAYS $100. THEY HAVE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT INSPECTIONS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. IN ORDER TO OPEN UP ADDITIONAL FACILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT EITHER THERE'S A WAIVER, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME OR SOME KIND OF ADDITIONAL, LIKE LICENSING LOOKS DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE JUST DOING SHORT TERM, OPENING OF SPACES. ALSO, THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE DISCOVERED WHEN IN THE PAST, WE TRIED TO OPEN CHURCHES UP FOR ADDITIONAL, SHELTER, ONE OF THOSE IS VENTILATION, SO YOU'D HAVE TO DECIDE, BASEMENTS ARE ONE OF THE GREATEST PLACES IN CHURCHES THAT YOU CAN ADD ADDITIONAL SPACE, BUT THOSE ARE USUALLY MEANT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE DINNER, IN THE CHURCH OVERNIGHT, BUT NOT FOR PEOPLE TO SLEEP IN BECAUSE OF VENTILATION, THEY THERE ARE ALSO MAXIMUM BEDS THAT CAN BE IN CERTAIN ROOMS, NATURAL LIGHT REQUIREMENTS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO PEOPLE ARE STAYING OVERNIGHT. THEN YOU'RE PARKING NUMBERS MAY BE DIFFERENT. SO HE IS LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO BRING TO YOU. ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO US, AND SO I PUT IT HERE, IS THAT YOU CAN NEVER WAIVE THE FIRE MARSHAL LIMITS. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M SURE HE WILL TELL YOU TO. THERE IS A SECOND ISSUE THAT, CODES AND REGS IS TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY CAN OR CANNOT OR SHOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT. AND THAT IS, SHOULD WE REDEFINE WHAT

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THEY GAVE SOME REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW LONG PEOPLE NEED TO STAY IN THESE SHELTER OR HOTEL STAYS, TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF MAKE SOME CHANGES AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO GO INTO RECOVERY WHEN YOU JUST GO CHECK WITH THEM EVERY DAY AT A SITE. BUT IF THERE'S A CHANGE, IF YOU'RE PUTTING SOMEBODY IN A HOTEL AND THEY'RE RETHINKING THEIR LIFE AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WHAT ABOUT NOW? WOULD YOU WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS HOTEL, HOW ABOUT GOING TO RECOVERY? PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO MAKE THAT SHIFT, AND IT MAY BE A MEUL WAY TO USE THESE CITY FUNDS TO GET LONGER TERM CHANGE FOR PEOPLE'S LIVES. AND THEN, JUST IN CLOSING, WE DID HAVE TWO OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH ANY SHELTER EXPANSION THAT THAT FUNDING GO TO WHAT IS LOW BARRIER. SO IT'S VERY EASY TO GET IN. IF YOU HAVE A PET OR A PARTNER OR ANY OTHER THING THAT'S KEEPING YOU FROM GETTING INTO THE TRADITIONAL SHELTERS AND THAT IT BE NON-CONGREGATE OR AS NON-CONGREGATE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE TO COME IN AND TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES WHEN THEY ARE INSIDE. IF THEY'RE IN A ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, ALSO, WE, I KNOW THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM COUNCILMAN ACKERSON, YEARS AGO THAT WE'VE JUST NEVER FOLLOWED

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SO ANY IN ANY TIME HOMELESS, WE HAVE ABOUT 1600 IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM GEORGE.

RIGHT. AND YOU SAID WE HAVE HOW MANY BEDS THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE CAN SLEEP IN, IN A, IN A BAD TIME WITH LOW BARRIERS AND ALL THAT. HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THOSE BEDS ARE THERE? WE HAVE ABOUT 100 BEDS THAT WE CAN. AND ACTUALLY I USE THE WRONG WORD. WE HAVE 100 SPACES THAT WE CAN OPEN BACK UP, DURING THE WHITE FLAG STAY, THOSE ARE EITHER ON COTS OR MATS ON THE FLOOR. OR SOMETIMES IF WE GET ENOUGH PEOPLE, WE BRING IN, THEY JUST HAVE A CHAIR OR A SPACE ON THE FLOOR, BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST GET INDOORS. SO WE HAVE 100 BEDS AND IN ANY TIME 600 ON THE STREETS ANYTIME. YEAH, THAT'S WHY THE CITY'S INCLEMENT WEATHER PROGRAM OR EXTREME WEATHER PROGRAM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS AN OFFICIAL NAME. THE HOTEL PROGRAM IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE DURING REALLY EXTREME WEATHER, THEY OPEN UP EVEN MORE SPACE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO HOTELS OR OTHER SPACES.

YEAH. AND THEN AS SOON AS THAT WEATHER BREAKS, WE THROW THEM BACK OUT ON THE STREET WITH THAT PROGRAM. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN DOING UP TO 60 DAYS. SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE STREETS WITH THE WHITE FLAG PROGRAM. WE DON'T THEY COME IN THEY AND AS SOON AS IT GETS WARM ENOUGH, OR AS SOON AS IT GETS COLD ENOUGH, WE SEND THEM BACK OUT ON THE STREETS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TRY DEMO THIS TIME THIS YEAR WITH SOME OF THIS FUNDING TO DO 30 DAYS TO SEE IF WE CAN STABILIZE PEOPLE MORE, GET THEM ASSESSED FOR HOUSING, DURING THAT COLDEST WEATHER THIS WINTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. THANK YOU. NOW, DO THEY FEED THEM WHILE THEY THERE? YES. BOTH OF THE SHELTERS THAT PARTICIPATE, FEED THREE TIMES A DAY. DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, I ASSUME THE HOTEL PROGRAM. THEY ALSO DO THREE TIMES A DAY. SO AND HOW DO YOU GET THEM OFF THE STREET? I KNOW AT ONE TIME THEY WOULD GO OUT SEARCHING IN DIFFERENT PLACES TO SEE IF ANYBODY'S OUT THERE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY FROZE TO DEATH. YES. SINCE THE, THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, DURING THE EXTREME WEATHER SHELTER PROGRAMS THAT HAVE GONE OUT TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE ON THE STREETS, BUT THAT OUTREACH HAS

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AND ALL OF THOSE TEAMS WORK TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE BOTH INTO SHELTER AND RECOVERY, AND TO OTHER SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. OKAY ONE OTHER THING ABOUT YOU. SAY YOU HAD 100 BEDS.

NOW, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 100. SO WHAT DID THEY JUST SLEEP ON THE FLOOR OR WHATEVER? JUST. YES UP TO THE FIRE MARSHAL LIMIT BECAUSE HE'S VERY ADAMANT THAT YOU CANNOT EXCEED THAT. SO BUT WHAT'S THE LIMIT? WHAT WAS THAT I SAID, WHAT'S THE LIMIT, IT'S BASED ON EACH SHELTER. SO EACH SHELTER HAS A FIRE MARSHAL LIMIT. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY INSPECT FOR WHEN THEY COME IN TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S POSTED AND THAT IT'S BEING COMPLIED WITH. OKAY.

BECAUSE I KNOW THAT LIMIT WOULDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY THAT CAN COME IN THIS CHAMBER. SO IT WOULD BE THE SAME EVERY TIME. SO YES, I MEAN BY BUILDING AND YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT TO SEE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO BUILDINGS. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILMAN ON ANDREW. THANK YOU.

CHAIR, THANKS, NATALIE, FOR COMING IN. I HAD EVERY INTENTION OF BEING IN THE CHAMBERS TODAY AND JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU DIVIDED THIS UP INTO POLICY CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE, THAT WE MAY OUGHT TO FOCUS ON IN THIS COMMITTEE. AND THEN LAND USE CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON EITHER MOST LIKELY IN PLANNING AND ZONING. BUT WE COULD DO IT IN AD HOC LAND USE AS WELL, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON THOSE TWO THINGS, ON BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. BUT WE CAN DO IT IN SEPARATE COMMITTEES. AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THAT DISTINCTION AND PRESENTING TODAY. AND I'M SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO TRYING TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE THINGS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHAT'S THE COALITION'S POSITION ON SHELTER REGULATIONS BASED ON CLIENTELE. SO EXAMPLE SHOULD SHELTERS FOR KIDS HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES COMPARED TO SHELTERS FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS VERSUS SINGLE MEN VERSUS A DIFFERENT TARGET CLIENTELE? BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RESEARCH. QUITE A BIT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE COALITION'S POSITION IS ON IT.

YEAH. AND THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS BUILT IN BECAUSE THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT SHELTERS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH AS WELL. SO IF YOU ARE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYONE WHO'S UNDER 18 THERE, THE STATE LAWS ARE REALLY INTENSE. BOTH THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE SPACE ITSELF, BUT ALSO ABOUT WHO ELSE CAN BE IN THAT SPACE. LIKE THERE CANNOT BE ON YOUR 18TH BIRTHDAY, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE YOUTH SHELTER BECAUSE THERE CANNOT BE A MIXING OF PEOPLE BELOW 18 AND ABOVE 18. WITH FAMILY SHELTERS. IF THE SHELTER CHOOSES TO BE LICENSED, THERE ARE ALSO A HUGE LIST OF RULES THAT THEY MUST COMPLY WITH. SOME THAT WE SOMETIMES FIND FRUSTRATING, AN EXAMPLE IS THAT, LIKE IF YOU HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, THEY CANNOT YOU CANNOT PUT TWO CHILDREN IN THE SAME BED. SO WE WILL SOMETIMES HAVE A FAMILY OF THREE CALL A MOM AND TWO KIDS, AND WE WILL SAY, THERE'S A TWO BED UNIT AVAILABLE AT VOA. AND VOA WILL SAY, I CAN'T TAKE A MOM AND TWO KIDS, EVEN IF THEY'RE BOTH REALLY SMALL AND CAN FIT IN THAT BED, BECAUSE LICENSING WILL ONLY ALLOW ME TO TAKE THE MOM AND THE ONE KID, EVEN THOUGH IT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE NOW YOU SAID SO.

THE OPTION INSTEAD IS THEY SLEEP OUT OUTDOORS, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES. IF YOU DO GET LICENSED, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY UNDER 18. SO OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO THINGS, THERE MAY BE SPACE FOR IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES THAT YOU WANTED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL RULES FOR. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANY BUT I CAN'T NOTHING'S REALLY COMING TO MIND. AND AGAIN, IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WITH, CERTAIN MENTAL ILLNESSES, YOU AGAIN WOULD BE LICENSED AND WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE RULES THAT YOU'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. COUNCILOR, WERE YOU FINISH. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARILYN PARKER. YES. THANK YOU. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT TWO THINGS, HOW MANY CHURCHES HAVE YOU HAD,

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AND THEY DO IT FOR REALLY SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, JUST, YOU KNOW, DURING THOSE REALLY EXTREME TERMS, DOING IT LONGER IS HARDER FOR AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, YOU FORGET HOW HARD IT IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN MY IN-LAWS COME AND STAY FOR A WEEKEND, HOW HARD IT IS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN YOUR SPACE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. AND SO I KNOW SAINT STEPHEN'S WAS LIKE, OKAY, IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS, WE WOULD NEED PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO BE HERE TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT'S THE THING TO THINK ABOUT THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPENING UP FOR CHURCHES, IT'S PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME, WHETHER IT'S A CHURCH OR SOMETHING ELSE, THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOME PROFESSIONAL STAFFING. THERE YEAH, I COULD, I COULD SEE WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED SOME KIND OF, SOCIAL WORKER OR MENTAL HEALTH PERSON, ON BOARD, AND THEN PROBABLY SOME, SOME TYPE OF SECURITY, INDIVIDUAL, I SHOULD ALSO ADD THERE'S A MODEL CALLED SAFE PARKING. INDIANAPOLIS HAS IT NOW WE STARTED A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM HERE IN LOUISVILLE, AND BECAUSE OF COVID AND ALSO BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SECURITY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WERE PICKING UP THEIR OWN TRASH AND DOING ALL THAT. IT JUST ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO HAVE A CAR TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK WITH ACCESS TO BATHROOMS. AND SO WE DID HAVE A CHURCH THAT OPENED UP AND SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE PEOPLE INDOORS, BUT WE WILL LET THEM PARK AND USE OUR RESTROOMS, AND THAT DID WORK FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT IT DIDN'T CONTINUE AFTER COVID. ARE THERE VERY MANY HOMELESS THAT HAVE, VEHICLES? THE LAST TIME WE DID A STUDY ASKING HOMELESS PEOPLE ABOUT 30 SOMETHING PERCENT. SO ABOUT A THIRD OF FOLKS WHO WERE SLEEPING OUT DID HAVE A VEHICLE.

AND THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE LIKELY WITH FAMILIES TO BE THE CASE. OKAY, ONE MORE QUESTION. HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU ON THE TEMPORARY LICENSING SITUATION? I MEAN, IS IT OFF THE GROUND AT ALL OR AND WHO'S WHO WOULD DO THAT? SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SHELTER LICENSING? YES. LIKE FOR THE CHURCHES WHO CHURCHES THAT WANT TO GET A TEMPORARY LICENSING PERMIT. OH AT THIS POINT, THAT IS THE THING THAT, PLANNING AND ZONING IS WORKING ON. SO THEY ARE RIGHT NOW EVEN JUST WORKING ON WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, AND THEY WILL COME BACK TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND, COUNCILMAN OWEN, I'M NOT SURE EITHER WHICH COMMITTEE THEY WILL BRING THAT BACK TO. YEAH IF IT'S OKAY, I CAN RESPOND. I SPONSORED THE RESOLUTION TO START THAT THAT STUDY. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SEND BACK TO METRO COUNCIL, METRO COUNCIL CANNOT CHANGE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS IT PERTAINS TO HOUSING UNTIL APRIL 2025. SO THERE WILL BE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OVER HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. I THINK WE SAID 120 DAYS WHEN WE PASSED THAT RESOLUTION, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT DEADLINE. BUT METRO COUNCIL CAN'T MAKE THE CHANGES UNTIL NEXT YEAR. SO COUNCILMAN OWEN. COUNCILMAN OWEN. CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR? NOPE. HE'S NOT HERE. DO YOU HAVE YOUR SPEAKER ON COUNCILMAN OWEN? THANK YOU. CHAIR. I THINK, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, WE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT HOUSE BILL 388 WAS VERY SPECIFIC AS IT RELATED TO DENSITY. SO I'M GUESSING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE

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TWO SMALL KIDS IN THE SAME BED. YEAH, AND THAT'S ALL STATE LICENSING. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AT THE CITY LEVEL. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED AT THE STATE LEVE.

THAT'S PRETTY BAD, COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH, RIGHT? YES, MADAM CHAI, I JUST LEARNED OF THAT RECENTLY.

BUT I WILL SAY THE FIRST TIME I WAS HOMELESS, I WAS PREGNANT AND HAD THREE DAUGHTERS WITH ME. AND I DID HAVE A CAR, BUT I STAYED AT WAYSIDE WHEN IT WAS ACROSS, WHEN IT WAS ON MARKET STREET.

AND WE WERE PUT IN ONE OF THOSE DOUBLE BUNK BEDS WHERE THERE WAS THAT THE FULL SIZE DOWN ON THE BOTTOM AND THE TWIN ALL MYSELF AND MY THREE GIRLS WERE PUT IN THAT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. BUT BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE. AS MY KIDS GOT OLDER AND THE SECOND TIME I WAS UNHOUSED. IT WAS HARDER TO FIND.

IT IS HARDER TO FIND SHELTER FOR FAMILIES WITH TEENAGERS AS WELL, AS IT WAS HARDER TO FIND A SHELTER BECAUSE IT MADE OUR FAMILY SIZE TOO BIG. BECAUSE OF THIS RULE. SO THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE, I THINK. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO, LOBBIED AGAINST OR WHATEVER. BUT YEAH, IT TO ME IT SOUNDS CRUEL. IF YOU'RE HOMELESS AND YOU HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, PUT THEM OUT ON THE STREET BECAUSE THE TWO SMALL CHILDREN CAN SLEEP IN THE SAME BED. SO COUNCILMAN SAM, THANK YOU. I JUST GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO WHAT? WHAT LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL BARRIERS DO WE HAVE WHEN PARTNERING WITH FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY I DON'T I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHERE YOU CAN SLEEP AND CAN'T SLEEP, I, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY I THINK THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE THEM TO WANT TO DO IT? SO, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GET THEM TO DO IT? YOU KNOW, FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME WITH NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING? PROBABLY. CAN YOU GET SHELTERS TO OPEN UP FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING OF SOME SORT? PROBABLY NOT. THEY'LL FIGURE OUT IT'S TOO HARD AND THEY WOULD RATHER NOT DO IT WITHOUT SOME SUPPORT. I I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ANSWERS AND BUT I JUST CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THAT IF WE HAD A LIAISON THAT WAS WORKING THESE FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS, THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A HOTEL AT I-65 IN FERN VALLEY THAT'S FOR SALE, I JUST I CAN'T FATHOM WHY WE CAN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND WORK WITH THESE. YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHEAST CHRISTIANS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY AND THE SAINT STEPHEN'S. AND IF THEY CAN'T HAVE IT THERE, THEN LET THEM HELP FUND THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX OR HOTEL. ARE WE WORKING IN THAT MANNER AT ALL? I DO THINK THAT, I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT SOUTHEAST CHRISTIAN IS ONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT DOES FUND OTHER HOMELESS AGENCIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE LOOKED AT DOING IT THEMSELVES, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN BIG FUNDERS OF EXODUS FAMILY MINISTRIES, THEY DO FUND SOME OF THE OTHER FAITH BASED, HOMELESS AGENCIES THAT THESE ARE ALL PLACES THAT WILL FEED YOU ONE NIGHT. AND THEN WE GOT TO LET YOU GO THE NEXT DAY. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT HOUSING A BED. YES. AND I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE WE DO WE HAVE ANY INITIATIVES WITH OUR CITY GOVERNMENT TO WORK WITH THESE FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO COME TO ONE TABLE AND, AND BUILD THIS PLACE FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING CONCRETE FOR PILLOWS? YES, I KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE, BUT IT'S HARD. TO HEAR THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND THE POLICE SERVICES, I KNOW MAYOR GREENBERG JUST MET WITH A GROUP OF FAITH BASED LEADERS THIS WEEK, AND I KNOW THERE WERE LOTS OF TOPICS DISCUSSED, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE ARE LOTS OF

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THERE ARE A LOT OF FAITH BASED LEADERS WHO ARE SUPPORTING OTHER PROVIDERS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY COMING TOGETHER FOR A NEW PRACTICE MODEL, I DO KNOW OUR HOMELESS SERVICES DIVISION IS WORKING INDEPENDENTLY WITH SOME OF THOSE EXODUS MINISTRIES BEING ONE OF THEM FOR SOME INNOVATIVE APPROACHES, BUT IT'S NOT A COLLECTIVE, SO THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I'M NOT OVERLOOKING ANYBODY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS. THIS IS SPECIAL DISCUSSION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DON'T HAVE

[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]