[00:00:02] GUYS, WE HAVE TO GET STARTED. ONE OF MY. ONE OF ONE OF THE. YEAH, LIKE, I CAN, LIKE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, IF I CAN HELP. YEAH, WELL, I LIKE IT. I MAY DO A THING AT LOCATION. LET'S SEE IN WHICH COLOR I DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, HELP OUT. WELL I'LL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT IT IF WE END UP. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I LIKE IT. OKAY. WE'RE GETTING READY TO GET STARTED. GOOD AFTERNOON. NOT GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE [Call to Order] EQUITY, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, HOUSING, HEALTH AND EDUCATION COMMITTEE. I AM COUNCILWOMAN BARBARA SHANKLIN, WHICH I CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE. WITH ME TODAY IS VICE CHAIR STUART BENSON, [Roll Call] COUNCIL MEMBER. JECOREY ARTHUR, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW OWEN, COUNCILMAN DAN SAM, MISS MARILYN UP THERE. YES, COUNCILWOMAN MARILYN PARKER. COUNCILWOMAN BETSY IS NOT HERE YET. SHE MAY BE HERE. AND COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS MAY COME ON IN A LITTLE BIT. SO TODAY IS WEDNESDAY. THE 28TH, AND IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE BIT PAST 130. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A GUEST HERE TODAY, AND WE HAVE TWO PIECES OF PENDING LEGISLATION. AND I'M GOING TO HEAR THE LEGISLATION FIRST, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DO IN CASE WE GO ON WITH QUESTIONS. OKAY SO RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT A MIC OVER HERE. RIGHT. SO THE FIRST, OKAY. ARE YOU READY? OKAY. THIS MEETING IS HELD IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL RULE FIVE A READ IN FULL. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION. OH, YOU DIDN'T READ THE RULES? ITEM TWO, A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND [2. R-087-24     A RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NONCOMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR OFFICE OF EQUITY CONCERNING PROCUREMENT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS FOR EQUITY IN CONTRACTING - (7PM GROUP, LLC - $100,000). Action Required By: February 2025 Sponsors: Phillip T. Baker (D-6) ] OPERATING BUDGET ORDINANCES APPROVING THE APPROPRIATION TO FUND THE FOLLOWING NON-COMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE OFFICE OF EQUITY CONCERNING PROCUREMENT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS FOR EQUITY AND CONTRACTING. 7 P.M. GROUP, LLC, $100,000. READ IN FULL. OKAY. THANK YOU, BEFORE THAT, WE DIDN'T READ THE RULES. THE LITTLE RULES THAT WE READ. SHE DID. SHE READ IT. SHE JUST READ. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE NOW HAVE NUMBER TWO UP HERE. WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK ON IT? IT'S 7 P.M. GROUP. ARE Y'ALL HERE TO SPEAK ON IT? OKAY. SO SOMEONE COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON. YES, MA'AM. MY NAME IS DAVID JAMES. I'M THE DEPUTY MAYOR FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND I SUPERVISE THE OFFICE OF EQUITY, PROCUREMENT AND SO THIS IS A SOLE SOURCE CONTRACT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANTS. 7 P.M, AS WE TRY TO LIFT UP MINORITY AND WOMEN VENDORS TO BE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE TASK FORCE THAT INCLUDES LOUISVILLE METRO, MSD AND, LOUISVILLE GAS AND ELECTRIC, ALONG WITH A FEW OTHERS IN CONTRACT WORK AND SO 7:00 PM WILL BE ASSISTING US AND GETTING MORE MINORITY AND WOMEN VENDORS. ELIGIBLE AND READY TO BE ABLE TO BID FOR CONTRACTS WITH THOSE ENTITIES. OKAY, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, COUNCILMAN COREY ARTHUR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE DATA THAT'S COME FROM THE TASK FORCE WORK. AND WE SAW THAT METRO GOVERNMENT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MINORITY CONTRACTORS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES. SO I KNOW THAT WORK IS KIND OF SPREAD ACROSS EVERYONE, BUT COULD THE CONTRACTORS OR MAYBE DEPUTY MAYOR, COULD YOU JUST TALK A BIT ABOUT HOW THEIR WORK WILL HELP INCREASE METRO GOVERNMENT'S NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY? SURE. SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS RELATED TO THAT. ONE IS, IS THAT I RECENTLY LEARNED THAT UNLESS A MINORITY VENDOR IS ACTUALLY REGISTERED THROUGH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION AND THEY DON'T GET COUNTED IN THAT COUNT. AND SO WE HAVE MORE VENDORS THAN WE THINK WE DO, AND THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COUNTING. SO PART OF OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT DATA SO THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE NUMBERS. BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG, WE'RE STILL A LONG WAYS FROM WHERE WE NEED TO BE. THANK YOU. OKAY SO IS THAT THROUGH, HUMAN RELATIONS? NO. SO THE OFFICE OF EQUITY PROCUREMENT TASK FORCE IS SOMETHING THAT'S RUN THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. OKAY. AT ONE TIME, WASN'T IT THROUGH HUMAN [00:05:03] RELATIONS? SO, WHERE THEY DID CONTRACTS OF MINORITY CONTRACTS. YEAH. UPON A TIME. YES, MA'AM. YEAH, I THOUGHT SO. BUT THAT WAS BACK IN JOE JACKSON'S DAYS. OKAY, OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IS THERE ANY MORE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. ARE WE READY TO VOTE, CHAIRWOMAN? OKAY. THE CLERK I'D LIKE TO BE AT AS A CO-SPONSOR, THAT'S ALL. OKAY I THINK PHILIP IS THE SPONSOR, SO I GUESS HE'LL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. SO WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? I MIGHT AS HAVE IT. ANYONE AGAINST IT? NO ONE AGAINST IT. SO WE WILL SEND THIS TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. IT'LL GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR. AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS IS ALSO ON THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU GUYS ARE DONE. THANK YOU. THANKS IT WAS QUICK AND EASY. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO SPEAK, COUNCIL, OKAY. TO THE NEXT ONE. ITEM THREE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR [3. R-095-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT $20,000 FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY COURT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF RESILIENCE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. Action Required By: February 2025 Sponsors: Barbara Shanklin (D-2) ] TO ACCEPT $20,000 FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY COURT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS, TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE OFFICE OF RESILIENCE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. READ IN FULL MOTION. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO BEING APPROVED MOTION SECOND HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME SO THAT THE CLERK CAN NAME SO WE CAN PUT IT IN RECORDS? JOSH SWETNAM, CO-DIRECTOR, RESILIENCE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. OKAY WE ARE READY. SO YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEAK ON IT, PLEASE. SO THIS IS A GRANT $20,000 OVER TWO YEARS. FOR A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS AND RCS, SPECIFICALLY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE DIVISION, THIS WOULD PLACE A COURT DESIGNATED WORKER AT FOUR OF OUR SITES, SO THIS WOULD BASICALLY BE A PARTNERSHIP WHERE WE PROVIDE OFFICE SPACE FOR A COURT DESIGNATED WORKER AT EACH OF THE FOUR SITES. SO THAT THEY COULD THEN CONDUCT THEIR WORK WITH JUVENILES AND FAMILIES FROM THE COMMUNITY. OKAY ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS BEFORE I SAY THAT COUNCILWOMAN RUIZ IS PRESENT? THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? UP THERE HEARING NONE, ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE ANYONE AGAINST IT? HEARING NONE. THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THAT WAS QUICK AND EASY, WASN'T IT? THANK YOU. GOOD. THANKS OKAY, THE NEXT SPEAKER. WE HAVE IS, LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND [1. ID 24-0446     LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY (“LMHA”) DISCUSSION ON THE FUTURE OF DOSKER MANOR RESIDENTS – Elizabeth Strojan, LMHA] ELIZABETH, YOU ALREADY THERE? YOU WANT TO SPEAK YOUR NAME FOR THE CLERK IN YOUR TITLE? ELIZABETH TROJAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY. OKAY. THANK YOU, SO YOU'RE HERE WITH A PRESENTATION, RIGHT? YES. OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. AND THEN WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS LATER. OKAY. SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S READY TO GO UP WHEN YOU ALL ARE. THANK YOU. SO I WAS ASKED THANK YOU ALL. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I WAS ASKED TO COME. I WAS LAST HERE IN MAY, AND LAST TIME I WAS HERE I GAVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT I LEARNED. AFTER A COUPLE MONTHS AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LOUISVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND I ANNOUNCED AT THAT TIME THAT WE WOULD EMBARK ON A RELOCATION EFFORT FOR ALL RESIDENTS OUT OF OSCAR MANOR INTO BETTER HOUSING SITUATIONS. I WAS ASKED TO COME BACK TODAY TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE RELOCATION EFFORTS, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THE EXACT SAME POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT WE'VE BEEN SHARING WITH THE RESIDENTS. THIS PRESENTATION IS SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTS OF THE A BUILDING, BECAUSE WE'RE EMBARKING ON THE RELOCATION IN A PHASED APPROACH. SO B AND C RESIDENTS ARE GETTING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT INFORMATION. BUT WE'RE BACK AT OSCAR THIS WEEK REITERATING THE BENEFITS THAT WE'RE MAKING AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE, GIVING THEM UPDATES ON WHERE WE ARE AND NEXT STEPS. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL WHAT WE'RE SHARING WITH THE RESIDENTS. SO EVERYBODY IS HEARING THE SAME THING. I'M JOINED TODAY BY KEITH GREGORY, OUR DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR OPERATIONS. SO OUR PUBLIC HOUSING PORTFOLIO IS UNDER KEITH. HE WAS HERE LAST TIME WITH ME, I'M ALSO JOINED BY CAMILLE ROBINSON, WHO HAD NOT YET STARTED LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE HERE. CAMILLE IS OUR DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR OUR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM, COMMONLY KNOWN AS SECTION EIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW CHIEF OF STAFF, ALICIA ARIATTI, AND OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER JALEN LOVELL IS HERE. SO WE HAVE A BIG TEAM SO WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AFTER WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. SO ARE WE READY? YES WE ARE. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. GREAT OKAY SO I WANTED TO FIRST SHARE A RELOCATION [00:10:01] TIMELINE BECAUSE A LOT HAS I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SINCE JANUARY AND I'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER TEAM THAT I JUST ANNOUNCED. SO IT SIMULTANEOUSLY FEELS LIKE DECADES, BUT ALSO HAS NOT BEEN THAT LONG. SO I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH HOW WE GOT HERE. TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, IN JANUARY, I STARTED AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED MAKING PLANS TO STABILIZE OSCAR MANOR, AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR OTHER TROUBLED PROPERTIES. AND WE IMMEDIATELY ALSO STARTED LONG TERM PLANNING FOR WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO TO STABILIZE THEM IN THE LONG TERM. IN FEBRUARY, WE BEGAN BETTER COMMUNICATIONS WITH RESIDENTS, RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT AND WE INVESTED MORE SECURITY AND MORE STAFFING AT OSCAR. IN MARCH, WE OFFICIALLY KICKED OFF OUR RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT AT THE SITE. IN APRIL, WE STARTED WORKING ON POTENTIAL RELOCATION PLANS BECAUSE WE KIND OF SAW WHERE THIS WAS GOING. THIS ISN'T ON HERE, BUT BEHIND THE SCENES TOO, WAS WE WERE DOING OUR STABILIZATION AND LONG TERM PLANNING. WE WERE GETTING COMPLETE PHYSICAL NEEDS ASSESSMENTS AND GATHERING ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD FOR THE PROPERTY. MAY WAS A BUSY MONTH. WE ANNOUNCED OUR RELOCATION AND REDEVELOPMENT PLANS. WE DID IN-DEPTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT SURVEYS WITH RESIDENTS. WE HELD RELOCATION INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS, AND WE RELEASED AN RFQ FOR A CO-DEVELOPER PARTNER TO HELP US REDEVELOP THE SITE. AND WE ALSO ISSUED AN RFP FOR PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS TO HELP INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CREATE NEW POTENTIAL RELOCATION OPTIONS FOR OSCAR RESIDENTS. IN JUNE, RESIDENTS OF THE A BUILDING STARTED GETTING THEIR RELOCATION SURVEYS, AND WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS IN A MINUTE. THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT SURVEYS THAT WE DID IN MAY WERE ANONYMOUS, AND THEY WERE VERY BROAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT OSCAR? WHAT DO YOU NOT LIKE ABOUT OSCAR? WHAT SERVICES DO YOU NEED THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING? WHAT SERVICES DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NEARBY? IF YOU WERE TO RELOCATE, DO YOU WANT TO RELOCATE? IF SO, DO YOU WANT TO RETURN ALL THOSE KINDS OF BIG PICTURE QUESTIONS? RELOCATION SURVEYS ARE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC. IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR TOP CHOICE FOR WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO RELOCATE TO. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS RELOCATION EFFORT? SO WE'VE STARTED THOSE. I THINK WE'RE ALMOST FINISHED WITH BUILDING A IN JULY. WE HIRED NEW STAFF AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE POSITIONS ARE TO HELP SUPPORT THIS EFFORT, WE HELD ROUNDTABLE TABLES WITH HOUSING AND SERVICE PROVIDER PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CATCHING WHAT WE NEED TO CATCH, SEEING AND FILLING GAPS THAT WE NEED TO FEEL TO FILL IN THIS EFFORT. AND OUR FIRST RESIDENTS STARTED RELOCATING FROM OSCAR ON JULY 22ND. WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT MORE SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS ON SITE. THE OFFICE OF SAFE AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS HAS SOCIAL WORKERS ON SITE, AND SINCE WE ANNOUNCED RELOCATION, WE HAVE 51 VACANCIES IN THE PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO RELOCATE ALL RESIDENTS BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. ON ONE HAND, THAT'S A THAT IS A VERY AGGRESSIVE AND FAST EXPEDITED TIMELINE FOR A RELOCATION LIKE THIS. IT'S ALSO A REALLY LONG TIME TO WAIT. IF YOU'RE DESPERATE TO GET OUT OF OSCAR MANOR. SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE AS MANY RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO GO AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL UNDER A VOLUNTARY RELOCATION, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MOVE. BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO FASTER BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE READY TO GO. WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, I MENTIONED THE OUR PARTNERS AT OCEAN ARE HELPING US OUT ON SITE. WE'RE ALSO BRINGING MORE PARTNERS ON SITE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE NECESSARY LIFE SAFETY REPAIRS AND INCREASE SECURITY. THAT IS A REALLY TOUGH TASK. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW, THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO, TWO WEEKENDS IN A ROW, WE HAD FULL POWER OUTAGES IN THE C BUILDING OF OSCAR, WHICH WAS REALLY TERRIBLE. AND THAT'S AN EMERGENCY. WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, IT'S AN EMERGENCY. I'M SO GRATEFUL TO LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT THAT CAME OUT IN FULL FORCE TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS. ALONG WITH LMA STAFF THAT WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK TO PROVIDE FOOD TO RESIDENTS, TO CHECK ON PEOPL, I MEAN, THAT WAS THAT WAS REALLY SCARY. AND IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW HARD IT IS TO MANAGE THIS SITE AND WHY WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THERE, WE'VE ALSO BEEN GATHERING RESIDENT INPUT ON PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SITE, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT KEITH'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. THE GOOD NEWS HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, AND A CAVEAT THAT I WANT TO INCLUDE IS THAT ALL THE ACTIONS DESCRIBED HERE ARE APPLICABLE TO I MEAN, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR CERTAIN HUD APPROVALS TO DO SOME THINGS, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. SO THAT'S WHY OUR RELOCATION RIGHT NOW IS VOLUNTARY. WE'VE SUBMITTED PART OF OUR APPLICATION TO HUD REQUESTING PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDINGS AND TO REBUILD ON SITE. AND I JUST WANT [00:15:04] TO SAY THAT HUD HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT PARTNER. HUD IS HUGE. IT'S AN ENORMOUS FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY. THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT OFFICES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN REVIEWING AN APPLICATION LIKE THAT, AND ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. AND I DON'T JUST MEAN LIKE A RUBBER STAMP BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. THEY EXIST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF RESIDENTS. SO THEY'RE HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE AND ALSO WORKING EXTREMELY QUICKLY TO HELP US FIND SOLUTIONS HERE. SO I WANT TO THANK OUR PARTNERS AT HUD. I MENTIONED THAT WE'D HIRED MORE FOLKS TO HELP IN THIS RELOCATION EFFORT. WE HAVE RELOCATION SPECIALISTS WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ADMINISTER THE SURVEYS, AND THEY ALSO HELP DRIVE PEOPLE TO VIEW POTENTIAL RELOCATION SITES SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE SOMEWHERE. SIGHT UNSEEN. WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE. WE HAVE HOUSING NAVIGATORS THAT HELP SEARCH FOR UNITS IN THE PRIVATE MARKET AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE WHO ARE OPTING FOR A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER, BECAUSE THE SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A PUBLIC HOUSING UNIT, YOU HAVE TO GET UTILITIES IN YOUR NAME. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT HAVE SECURITY DEPOSITS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO OUR HOUSING NAVIGATORS ARE HELPING PEOPLE GO THROUGH ALL THAT AND I'VE MENTIONED THE OCEAN CASE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE AS WELL, SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STARTING WITH THE A BUILDING. WE ARE STILL ON THE A BUILDING. WE HAVEN'T STARTED THIS PROCESS FOR BUILDING B OR C YET, PEOPLE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE BENEFITS THAT I'M ABOUT TO DESCRIBE ONCE THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR RELOCATION SURVEY WITH THE RELOCATION ASSISTANT. ALSO, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE PAYING THEIR CURRENT RENT IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE BENEFITS. WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS AT OSCAR AND THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE PORTFOLIO WHO OWE A LOT OF BACK RENT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE PANDEMIC. CERTAINLY NOT ALONE IN HAVING A LOT OF BACK RENT OWED TO US. WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET YOUR BALANCE TO ZERO RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU HAVE TO START PAYING YOUR CURRENT RENT AS PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS, THEY SHOULD PAY NO MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON RENT. SO IF THEIR INCOME HAS GONE DOWN, THEY NEED TO SEE THEIR PROPERTY MANAGER TO GET THAT RENT ADJUSTED IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN IF THERE'S A BALANCE, WE'LL WORK WITH PEOPLE TO KEEP REPAYMENTS LOW. BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO START PAYING NOW. THEY HAVE TO ENTER INTO AND MAINTAIN A REPAYMENT AGREEMENT. AND THE RENT PLUS REPAYMENT AMOUNT WILL NOT EXCEED 40% OF PEOPLE'S INCOME. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST REITERATING THAT WE NEED PEOPLE TO START PAYING THE RENT AND TO COMPLY WITH THEIR LEASE BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE. WE'RE SO CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE BETTER HOUSING OPTIONS TO PEOPLE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE ELIGIBLE. SO WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS THAT WE'RE MAKING AVAILABLE? I STOPPED KEEPING TRACK OF THAT THERE. OKAY WE'RE OFFERING COMPARABLE HOUSING. THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT HUD LAYS OUT. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY OFFERING PEOPLE MUCH BETTER HOUSING SITUATIONS THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE. AT OSCAR, WE'RE OFFERING RELOCATION PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION TO HELP CHOOSE A UNIT WITH THE STAFF THAT I MENTIONED. AND WE'RE HELPING WITH MOVING AND REASONABLE MOVING EXPENSES. SO AGAIN, WE JUST ARE REMINDING RESIDENTS THAT IF THEY WANT ACCESS TO THOSE BENEFITS, THEY NEED TO NOT MOVE UNTIL THEY GET AN ELIGIBLE ELIGIBILITY LETTER FROM MHA AND DO THEIR SURVEY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WANT TO ACCESS, PEOPLE CAN MOVE AT ANY TIME, OF COURSE, BUT IF THEY WANT THOSE BENEFITS, THEY NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT. WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO MOVE PEOPLE ON THE LEASE. SO IF SOMEONE HAS SOMEBODY IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD THAT'S NOT ON THE LEASE, THEY NEED TO SEE THEIR PROPERTY MANAGER RIGHT AWAY. AND AS WE'VE SAID, CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE FOLLOW THE RULES OF THEIR LEASE AND PAY THEIR RENT. THE RELOCATION CHOICES THAT WE'RE MAKING AVAILABLE ARE OTHER PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS, SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS AND A PROJECT BASED VOUCHER UNIT WITH ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, WE'VE ACTUALLY CLOSED OUR ONE AND TWO BEDROOM PUBLIC HOUSING WAITING LISTS SO THAT WE'RE HOLDING THOSE OFFLINE FOR OSCAR RELOCATEES. SO THAT'S JUST SAYING THAT WE ACTUALLY WE'VE RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM HUD TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO WE'RE EVEN IF SOMEBODY IS IN A ONE BEDROOM UNIT AT OSCAR, WE'RE MAKING THEM ELIGIBLE FOR TWO BEDROOM UNITS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A SHORT SUPPLY OF ONE BEDROOMS. SAME FOR SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS. ONCE WE'RE READY TO KICK OFF THAT PROCESS TO GET SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS ISSUED TO OSCAR RESIDENTS, THERE WILL BE NO WAIT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET ON THE WAITING LIST. THEY GO STRAIGHT TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE. I'VE MENTIONED THE PROJECT BASED VOUCHER PROGRAM SEVERAL TIMES. THESE ARE VOUCHERS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE UNIT, BUT IT REALLY OPERATES FOR THE FROM THE RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO HAVING A TENANT BASED VOUCHER IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PAY AND HAVING THE UTILITIES IN THEIR NAME USUALLY. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE VOUCHER STAYS WITH THE UNIT AND THAT VOUCHER HAS HELPED TO FINANCE THE UNIT. SO SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES INCLUDE. THE PRESTONIAN BEECHER TERRACE HAS PROJECT BASED VOUCHER UNITS. SO WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE THOSE UNITS AVAILABLE. SO THIS IS A QUESTION THAT I GET A LOT WHEN I GO TO OSCAR. IT'S USUALLY, YOU [00:20:08] KNOW, PEOPLE WANTING TO KNOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T MOVED YET. THEY'RE EAGER TO GO. SO FIRST WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, LIKE I SAID, AT OSCAR, WHO HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING RENT AND HAVE NOT STARTED. SO AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS RESTART, START PAYING YOUR RENT. NOW, ENTER INTO A REPAYMENT AGREEMENT AND MAINTAIN THAT AGREEMENT. WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED TO GET THEIR BALANCE TO ZERO IMMEDIATELY. WE WILL WORK WITH PEOPLE TO KEEP THOSE REPAYMENTS LOW. WE ALSO HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS IN PBV UNITS AVAILABLE, SO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE TO BECOME AVAILABLE AND WE'LL START THE SECTION EIGHT PROCESS VERY SOON, WHICH WILL HELP THINGS GO FASTER. SO I MENTIONED MOVING COSTS THAT WE'RE COVERING. WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH TWO MOVING COMPANIES THAT WILL COME AND HELP PEOPLE MOVE. THAT INCLUDES PACKING, LOADING UP THE TRUCK, UNLOADING THE TRUCK AT THE NEW UNIT AND UNPACKING FOR PEOPLE. SO THAT'S A PRETTY FULL SERVICE THING. AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE OPTED FOR THAT. OTHERS WANT TO TAKE THE FIXED PAYMENT TO MOVE THEMSELVES. SO IF PEOPLE CHOOSE THAT AMOUNT, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR, LMG IS NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE UNIVERSAL RELOCATION ACT WITH THIS MOVE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A SECTION 18 CONVERSION, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC HUD PROGRAM. BUT WE ARE STILL FOLLOWING THAT BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S A GOOD GUIDELINES AND IT'S A GOOD WAY TO SUPPORT PEOPLE. SO THESE ARE THE AMOUNTS AS OUTLINED IN THE UNIVERSAL RELOCATION ACT. THIS IS WHAT FOLKS AT OSCAR ARE ELIGIBLE FOR IF THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE THEMSELVES, THEY GET HALF OF IT WHEN THEY SHOW US THEIR NEW LEASE TO THEIR NEW UNIT, AND THEY GET THE OTHER HALF WHEN THEY TURN IN THEIR KEYS TO OSCAR. FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE GETTING SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS OR MOVING INTO A VOUCHER UNIT, WE WILL REIMBURSE APPLICATION FEES, SECURITY DEPOSITS AND UTILITY DEPOSITS AS WELL. AND WE'RE WORKING THAT OUT SO THAT HOPEFULLY WE COULD HAVE LANDLORDS BILL US INSTEAD OF RESIDENTS HAVING TO PAY OUT OF POCKET AND GET REIMBURSED. THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS, BUT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT AS FAST AS WE CAN. OKAY KEITH. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE RELOCATION. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KEITH FOR FUTURE PLANNING OF THE SITE. ARE YOU READY? I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I'M KEITH GREGORY, DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR OPERATIONS, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ENGAGED IN A PRETTY EXTENSIVE RFQ PROCESS WHERE WE PUT OUT TO BID BASICALLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP US REDEVELOP MULTIPLE SITES OR AVENUE PLAZA SITE. OUR FIRST LINK SITE AND THE IROQUOIS HOMES VACANT SITE WHERE THE FORMER IROQUOIS APARTMENTS WERE, WE RECEIVED ABOUT 34 DIFFERENT BIDS FOR THAT, WHICH IS AN AMAZING RESPONSE. I MEAN, NATIONALLY, THAT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF RESPONSIVENESS FROM DEVELOPERS. NATIONALLY, WE ARE FINALIZING OUR REVIEW AND SELECTION OF THAT. WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF OUR BOARD IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN HOPEFULLY HAVE A VERY SPLASHY AND FUN ANNOUNCEMENT AFTER THAT. YOU'RE ALL INVITED. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE, REALLY, THE PURPOSE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT IS TO ENACT TRUE CHANGE AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS CONCERNED IN THE LOUISVILLE METRO, THIS PRESENTS PROBABLY A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT ALSO FOR THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE. SO THIS REDEVELOPMENT STANDS IN THE FACE OF ALL OF THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROPERLY CARE FOR, THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE FUNDING TO PROPERLY CARE FOR AND GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY RECREATE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING NATIONALLY. THIS IS NOT JUST A CONVERSATION ABOUT LOUISVILLE. THIS IS NOT JUST A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY. THIS IS REALLY A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. WE HAVE A CHANCE AND WE PLAN TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY INNOVATE AND CREATE A MODEL NATIONALLY FOR HOW HOUSING IS REDEVELOPED FOR THE FUTURE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUR TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL THE STEPS AND REVIEW ALL THE RESPONSES AND GET ALL THE DETAILS RIGHT, SO THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, WHEN WE ACTUALLY ROLL THIS OUT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN BE TRULY AND ABSOLUTELY PROUD OF. THANK YOU, WE'VE ALSO HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK, A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE REDEVELOPED ON THE SITE AND AN OFF SITE REPLACEMENT HOUSING OPTIONS. SO ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL RESIDENTS PARTICIPATED IN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT SURVEY. WE ALSO HAD A FOCUS GROUP WITH AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT HELPED US SPEAK WITH RESIDENTS, SO THEY COULD IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE SITE. SOMETHING THAT FOR ME WAS VERY STRIKING IN THAT RESIDENT FOCUS GROUP FEEDBACK WAS THAT PEOPLE IT WAS ALMOST IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR FOLKS TO IMAGINE AND THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, BECAUSE THEY WERE SO CONCERNED FOR THEIR SAFETY. SO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS KEPT COMING BACK TO SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY SAFE AND DECENT HOUSING, WE ALSO DID A FOCUS GROUP WITH STAFF THERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEARNING WHAT'S [00:25:01] HAPPENED TO OSCAR AND HOW DO WE AVOID THE MISTAKES AND BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR FOLKS COMING BACK TO THE SITE AND THE STAFF WAS ALSO LASER FOCUSED ON SAFET. SO FOR ME, THAT TELLS US MANY THINGS, INCLUDING WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THERE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T FEEL SAFE IN YOUR HOME, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, SO ON THAT NOTE, THIS IS OUR LAST SLIDE, I THINK, BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, WE WILL INCLUDE A RESIDENT RIGHT TO RETURN FOR LEASE COMPLIANT HOUSEHOLDS FOR FOLKS RELOCATED FROM OSCAR TO ON AND OFF SITE REPLACEMENT HOUSING. OKAY, THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION COMING AT YOU. I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. BEFORE I CALL ON YOU TO, I HAVE A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE JUST JUST HOLD UP? MISS TAMMY, MY QUESTION IS A LOT. I KNOW WHEN THEY TORE DOWN ON BEECHER TERRACE, A LOT OF TIMES YOU MOVE THESE RESIDENTS TO AN AREA WHERE THEY HAVE HOUSING, AND THEY NEVER HAD TO HAVE GARBAGE PICKUP BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT DUMPSTERS. THEY NEVER HAD TO CUT GRASS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF TRAINING TO TRAIN THESE PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE IN A HOUSE? NOW, IN MY AREA, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS, BUT THEN THEY PUT THEM IN HOUSES AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW TO GET GARBAGE PICKUP. THEY MAY LEAVE THE GARBAGE CANS SITTING OUT ON THE STREET FOR A WEEK OR WHATEVER. THEY JUST GO FROM THE HOUSE TO THE CAN AND LEAVE IT AND THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW. THE LAW SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CAN IN OUT AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING AND HAVE IT BACK IN AT 6:00 IN THE EVENING. THEY DON'T KNOW THESE LAWS. THEY DON'T KNOW THESE RULES. GOING INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH TRAINING ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE GIVE THEM, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN IN APARTMENT MOST OF THEIR LIVES AND THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. ARE YOU GOING TO SET UP SOME TYPE OF TRAINING TO PUT THEM IN THERE? BECAUSE I WAS FLOODED DURING, BEECHER TERRACE. SO THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE TRAINING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GET STARTED WITH TRAINING. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY FOLKS MOVING OUT OF DASKA WILL MOVE INTO, LIKE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WHERE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR A YARD AND A GARBAGE CAN, BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE SOME, WE THAT'S THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HIRING, WHY WE'VE HIRED HOUSING NAVIGATORS TO HELP PEOPLE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO MOVE FROM THIS PLACE TO A PLACE THAT OPERATES DIFFERENTLY. WHAT ARE THE RULES? WHAT ARE THE LAWS? WHAT ARE THE NORMS LIKE? HOW DOES IT HOW DOES IT FUNCTION HERE? AND OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE FOLLOW UPS WITH OUR HOUSING NAVIGATORS AND OR WITH OTHER SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT WE'RE PARTNERING WITH. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE WE'RE PLANNING TO DO BRIEFINGS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE PLANNED SPECIFIC TRAININGS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. NO MORE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR SOCIAL WE HAVE A SOCIAL SERVICE TEAM AS WELL. SO WE CONNECT OUR RESIDENTS DIRECTLY TO OUR SOCIAL SERVICE TEAM SO THAT WHEN THEY HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY MAY NOT POTENTIALLY UNDERSTAND AND NOT TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T, BUT, WHERE THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND, WE'RE THERE TO SUPPORT THEM IN THOSE AREAS. SO WE HAVE ON STAFF, FULL TIME SOCIAL SERVICE WORKERS, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING. I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SAY THAT WE'VE NECESSARILY PLANNED OUT TRAININGS, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE SUPPORT FOR THE RESIDENTS. OKAY, I BEFORE I GOT READY BEFORE THIS MOVE. SO I HAVE, DOOR HANGERS THAT HAS DID YOU KNOW THIS WAS THE LAW? AND I HAVE IT IN SPANISH AND IN ENGLISH. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BUNCH OF THEM SO YOU CAN GIVE TO DIFFERENT RESIDENTS THAT ARE MOVING INTO HOUSING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS. THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE YOU CAN'T PARK YOUR CAR IN IN THE FRONT YARD. THESE ARE LAWS THAT ARE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET FINES FOR. AND SO THEY NEED TO KNOW THIS THESE LAWS. AND I DO HAVE ALL OF THAT SAID, DO YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LAWS. AND IT HAS EVERYTHING ABOUT LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND I ALSO HAVE IT IN SPANISH. SO I'LL MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU A BUNCH BEFORE YOU GUYS LEAVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BUT I HAVE QUITE A FEW, WAITING, I THINK, COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS WAS FIRST SHE TEXTED ME AND SAID SHE WANTED TO SPEAK. SO COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. MAYBE SHE'S NOT. HELLO. THANKS. ELIZABETH. KEITH? YEAH, I'M ON HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. WE CAN'T SEE YOU NOW. WE CAN. OKAY. YEAH. I'M HERE. OKAY. SAY THANKS, ELIZABETH, FOR, FOR BEING HERE TODAY, FOR BEING THERE TODAY. YOU. KEITH. CAMILLE, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU [00:30:04] GUYS, WHEN I SAY THAT, YOU GUYS HAVE REMOVED A LOT OF BARRIERS. HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT. YOU KNOW, I WAS ON LMG, I WAS IN EVERY APARTMENT IN DASPUR WITH THE NEWS AND EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, AND, I'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS CHANGE. SO FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW, I APPRECIATE WORKING ON OSCAR. BUT I ALSO AM BEGINNING TO HEAR THAT EVERYTHING TAKES TIME. BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, SO ONCE I KNOW, ONCE YOU GUYS GET THE OSCAR KIND OF SITUATED AND, EXECUTE THE PLAN, THERE ARE SOME OTHER, APARTMENTS THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO TACKLE. AND JUST AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GIVEN YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT. I'M WILLING TO GIVE YOU GUYS THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU GUYS KIND OF ADOPTED THIS. ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO KNOW IS I WANT TO KNOW, HOW, HOW EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE. GUYS ARE ON TO SOMETHING, REALLY GOOD. AND I THINK ELIZABETH, WITH THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN, YOU KNOW, NEW GOOD ENERGY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING, REPLACING SOME OLD BOARD MEMBERS, BUT YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LEFT IT ALONE YESTERDAY. I WISH YOU GUYS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CAME IN BEFORE WE. BUT IT'S STILL NOT TOO LATE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT OLD BOARD MEMBERS? ELIZABETH. THAT WAS THERE, BUT COMING BACK, BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND IT'S NOT A SECRET, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BOARD THAT WAS SITTING WITH MISS OSAKA. I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY I'M GONNA SIT ON A BOARD AND SEE THINGS GOING ON AND NOT ADDRESS THEM. AND MANOR WAS, LIKE, HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS, AND I JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT ON THESE BOARDS. WE HAVE TO PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY GETS ON THAT BOARD. THAT WAS ON THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY. THAT IS GOING TO, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE OUR NEW ENERGY, WHICH YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT YOU. I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ON HAVING ANYBODY THAT, WAS ON THE BOARD, BACK ON THE BOARD. SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND THANK YOU. SO MUCH FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP ON ALL OF THIS. I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE CALLING ME, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS RIGHT AWAY. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW YOU, YOU STICK UP FOR NOT ONLY YOUR CONSTITUENTS, BUT OUR RESIDENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT DISTRICT THEY'RE IN. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. AND I KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENTS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALSO ARE HERE TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. SO I DON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT YOU'RE ON OUR SIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT IN TERMS OF THE BOARD, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF NEW BOARD MEMBERS. SOME OF THEM STARTED BEFORE I GOT HERE, BUT LIKE WITHIN A FEW MONTHS BEFORE I GOT HERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT THERE IS A TON OF ENERGY ON THE BOARD. WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDST OF PLANNING A BOARD RETREAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO MANY NEW BOARD MEMBERS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW STAFF FOR THEM TO GET FAMILIAR WITH. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HELPFUL IN GETTING US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. AND, YOU KNOW, I COME TO THEM EVERY MONTH AND GIVE A VERY DETAILED BRIEFING ON WHAT'S GOING ON. AND IT IS SO MUCH CHANGING, SO QUICKLY, AND THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SO I NEED US ALL TO COME TOGETHER AND KIND OF GET ON SQUARE ONE TOGETHER. BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON MY BOARD, I THINK ARE BEING FANTASTIC. THEY'RE NOT JUST A RUBBER STAMP. THEY ARE HERE TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. THEY ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS, WHICH IS THEIR JOB, SO I THINK IT'S GOING REALLY WELL, BUT I THINK MOST OF OUR FOLKARE PRETTY NEW. OKAY, GOOD. I JUST THINK THAT WHICH KIND OF SOLIDIFIES THAT, YOU PROBABLY CONTINUE TO NEED TO GET OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS. I JUST NEEDED I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY OLD COMING BACK. SO I THINK THAT THAT SOLIDIFIES WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, AND I THINK GO AHEAD AND PUT ME BACK IN THE [00:35:07] QUEUE. I'LL LET SOMEBODY. CHAIRMAN, I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JECOREY ARTHUR. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THE POWER OUTAGES. HOW ARE YOU WORKING TO PREVENT THOSE FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? AND IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, WHAT'S THE PLAN? TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE RESIDENTS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THE POWER OUTAGES BOTH TIMES WERE CAUSED BY FLOODING, NOT BY THE ELECTRICITY ITSELF. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE PLUMBING IS SHOT IN THE BUILDING. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM HAS BUILT WHAT I MEAN, I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS LIKE LITTLE DAMS SO THAT THE WATER, IF IT FLOODS AGAIN, THE WATER DOESN'T GET IN TO THE ELECTRIC ELECTRIC SYSTEM. AND IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, IT'S VERY DISRUPTIVE TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE PEOPLE. BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE US THERE ON SITE AND WE ALL LOOK STRESSED WITH OUR CELL PHONES AND WE'RE WE'RE CALLING EVERYBODY, CALLING EVERY HOTEL, SOME OF US ARE ON SITE BEING STRESSED AND SOME ARE BACK AT CENTRAL OFFICE CALLING AROUND TO SEE WHICH HOTELS HAVE HOW MANY ROOMS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE'RE WE HAVE BOTH TIMES BEEN CONSTANTLY WORKING ON THOSE KINDS OF LOGISTICS, AND WE I MEAN, IT IT'S, IT'S LIKE A CROSS SECTOR THING. SO WE HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON SITE IN CASE PEOPLE NEED TO GET UP AND DOWN, AND THEY'RE THERE TO HELP DELIVER FOOD AND NOT JUST DELIVER FOOD, BUT AS THEY DO THAT TO EACH UNIT, THEY CHECK ON PEOPLE. WE HAVE RCS WAS ON SITE, WE HAD TARC ON SITE. THAT WAS THERE, NOT ONLY SO PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND GET COOL ON THE BUS, BUT WE HAD TARC ON STANDBY IN CASE WE NEEDED TO GET PEOPLE TO HOTELS. THEY WERE READY TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE, SO WE HAVE THOSE THINGS LINED UP. AND THEN IT'S A QUESTION OF LIKE, WHEN DO WE NEED TO DO IT? SO WE DON'T HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, NOW WE KNOW HOW TO DO IT, AND I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN. DURING THE SURVEY PROCESS, YOU IDENTIFY SOME RESIDENTS CURRENTLY SEEKING EMPLOYMENT. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS JOB VACANCIES. SO HOW ARE YOU ACTIVELY TRYING TO ENGAGE THOSE RESIDENTS TO WORK WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SECTION THREE AND STUFF? I APOLOGIZE, I WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE GOINGS ON OVER HERE, SO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF VACANCIES, ESPECIALLY IN OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FILL VACANCIES FOR SOME OF THOSE MORE BLUE COLLAR POSITIONS. WE HAVE A VERY I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT A ROBUST SECTION THREE POLICY. AND, AND AN INDIVIDUAL ON OUR STAFF WHO HELPS US TO IDENTIFY CANDIDATES POTENTIALLY FOR THOSE POSITIONS, IT'S NOT A PERFECT PROCESS. WE JUST AS YOU SAW JUST A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH A PROCESS. WE'RE PART OF THAT PROCESS TO TRY AND ENGAGE MORE WITH MINORITY COMMUNITIES, WITH DISADVANTAGED GROUPS, TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS OF HIRING AND TRYING TO PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. WE ALSO DO THE SAME THING ON OUR CONTRACTING SIDE. SO AS I JUST MENTIONED, EVEN WITH OUR RFQ PROCESS, ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE PAID ATTENTION TO WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE VENDOR WAS OR WAS PARTNERED WITH MINORITY GROUPS. SO WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE FEDERALLY FUNDED TO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE REACHING OUT, BEING AVAILABLE AND ACCESSING THAT RESOURCE. THAT IS SOME OF THE UNDERSERVED, UNDERSERVED GROUPS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF D'OSCAR HOUSEHOLDS ARE CURRENTLY LEAST COMPLIANT? I ASK BECAUSE THE RIGHT TO RETURN IS DEPENDENT ON THAT. BUT IF SOMEONE'S NOT LEAST COMPLIANT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY LEAST COMPLIANT. YEAH WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY LEAST COMPLIANT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU ALL HELP WITH THE MESSAGING TOO, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF WE SAY LIKE YOU NEED TO PAY YOUR RENT OR WHAT THEY HEAR IS LIKE YOU OWE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVICTED. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE SAYING YOU GOT TO START PAYING RENT NOW AND ENTER INTO A REPAYMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL WORK WITH YOU TO KEEP LOW. SO WE'RE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY LEAST COMPLIANT. I CAN GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CHARTS EARLIER, BUT I CAN'T I CAN'T REMEMBER. WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DELINQUENT IN RENT AND NOT IN REPAYMENT AGREEMENTS CURRENTLY, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN REPAYMENT AGREEMENTS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE STICKING TO TH ANDAYIN THEIR RENT IS GOING UP SHARPLY. SO OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS ARE WORKING. I THINKI HOPE, BU WE NEED YOUHELP. AND WHEN THEY CALL YOUOFFI, IF Y COU OPLE NOT TO BEBLE TO COME CK. I WANT TO FINISH ASKING THIS QUESTION. THEN I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. SO THE QUESTION WAS, WAS REALLY ABOUT ME WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S TIME TO MOVE OUT OF A UNIT TO DEMO THE BUILDING, BUT SOMEONE'S NOT LEASE COMPLIANT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR RIGHT TO RETURN? THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT TO RETURN. I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ANDREW OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR, I REALLY, I MEAN, MOVING IS A DISRUPTION. HUGE DISRUPTION FOR EVERYONE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR ELIMINATING SO MANY OF THE BARRIERS FOR THAT PROCESS. THE COST OF MOVING THE SECURITY DEPOSITS, THE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S FANTASTIC, AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO THE DESIGN OF D'OSCAR MANOR, [00:40:07] WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LEARNED ABOUT SOME MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE WITH THAT BUILDING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ALL HEARD OF ROBERT TAYLOR HOMES IN CHICAGO. WE'VE ALL HEARD OF SOME OF THESE NOTORIOUS KIND OF PUBLIC HOUSING COMPLEXES, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO D'OSCAR, ARE THERE THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN THE STRUCTURE AND IN THE DESIGN OF THAT COMPLEX THAT, THAT YOU COULD KIND OF MENTION 2 OR 3 THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT? SO I'LL LET HIM GO FIRST. SO I WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING IT WAS THE 60S AND 50S WHEN WE BUILT THIS BUILDING. AND AT THE TIME WHAT WE BUILT WAS PROBABLY CUTTING EDGE. SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO BESMIRCH ANY OF THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS WHO WORKED ON THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE DOING WHAT WAS CONSIDERED THE BEST WORK AT THE TIME, THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES TO A BUILDING LIKE OSCAR MANOR, FOR EXAMPLE. ONE, THE WAY THAT THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IS DESIGNED ACTUALLY IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE THE FLOODING THAT WE HAVE. IT'S A IT'S A SINGLE DUCT SYSTEM THAT RUNS UP THE ENTIRE BUILDING IN ONE AREA, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO OUR PLUMBING LINE. SO WHEN SOME OF THE SOME OF THE LIKE JANITORS SINKS, FLOOD OR OVERFLOW OR FILL UP AND THE PIPES BURST, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, WHICH OVER TIME, OBVIOUSLY THE METAL HOUSING THERE, IT GIVES WAY, IT GETS OLD, IT GETS RUSTY, WATER CAN GET IN AND CAUSES THESE ELECTRICAL OUTAGES THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT'S ONE KIND OF MAJOR THING WHERE WE MODERN BUILDINGS DON'T REALLY WORK THAT WAY ANYMORE. BUT AT THAT TIME THAT'S JUST HOW THE BUILDING WAS BUILT SECURITY WISE, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST AREA WHERE WE SEE THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENTLY. FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING HAS EXTERIOR HALLWAYS, EFFECTIVELY THE A BUILDING. ALL OF THE HALLWAYS ARE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING NOW IN AND OF ITSELF, THAT'S REALLY NOT A PROBLEM. BUT SECURITY WISE, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE ARE VERY LONG HALLWAYS THAT YOU CAN'T IN THEIR TIGHT CORNERS, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE AROUND THERE. A LOT OF DEAD AREAS IN THE BUILDING THAT ARE HIDDEN BEHIND EITHER WALLS OR OTHER STRUCTURES, POLES THAT ARE HOLDING THE BUILDING UP. THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF DISGUISE THEMSELVES IN, IN THEIR BEHAVIORS. AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE RESIDENTS I THINK 80% OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE COME FROM, PEOPLE WHO COME FROM OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY ONTO THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE THIRD KIND OF BIG THING, THE DESIGN OF THE ENTIRE SITE ALLOWS FOR. NOT THAT WE WANT TO ISOLATE ANYBODY, BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE GOAL, BUT IT ALLOWS IT SORT OF ENCOURAGES INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO COME ON THE SITE. THEY CAN COME ON THE SITE VERY EASILY AND EXIT IT VERY EASILY WITHOUT BEING SEEN, WITHOUT BEING NOTICED. MOST MODERN APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM, THERE'S A THERE'S A WAY FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVE A VERY WE HAVE ONE SINGLE ROAD IN THAT'S KIND OF A CIRCLE BACK OUT. BUT THE PARKING LOTS THAT SIT ON THE SIDE EXIT OUT TO THE STREET. SO THERE'S VERY EASY ACCESS TO GET IN AND GET OUT WITHOUT REALLY BEING SEEN ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEN ACCESSING IT IS NOT PARTICULARLY HARD BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE BALCONIES AND WE'VE GOT THE, THE RAILINGS ON THE OUTSIDE TO ACCES VERY CHALLENGING TO SECURE THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP. WE WILL, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR DESIGN PROCESS. THIS CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING YESTERDAY ABOUT BEING VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW THE BUILDINGS, THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE DONE SO IN A MANNER THAT IS BOTH MANAGEABLE SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAINTAIN THE BUILDINGS AND KEEP THEM SAFE, BUT ALSO SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOME NATURAL SECURITY THINGS TO KIND OF KEEP THE BUILDINGS SAFE IN AND OF THEMSELVES WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, HIRE SECURITY. AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WE HAVE THOSE NATURAL BARRIERS TO EGRESS AND EXIT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M A FAILED ARCHITECT. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS IN ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL FOR TEN MINUTES, BUT ALSO BECAUSE I WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR ABOUT CAUSATION AND CORRELATION. RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M PUSHING HERE ON METRO COUNCIL IS THAT ALL ACROSS THE CITY, BUT A COURT, BUT FOR SURE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND ALONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING MORE DENSITY AND MORE HEIGHT. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT D'OSCAR MANOR AND SAY, THE PROBLEM WAS, WAS THAT WE BUILT HIGH RISES. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT WE HAD SOME DENSITY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S THAT THAT THAT WAS PERFECT AND WE SHOULDN'T QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS SAY, OKAY, THAT MUST MEAN WE NEED TO BUILD SUBURBAN STYLE GARDEN APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO NOT THE ANSWER. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MIX UP CAUSATION AND CORRELATION AS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT THE FAILURES WERE AT D'OSCAR. THAT'S ONE, TWO, I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING. WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE, THE, THE RFQ OR RFP AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AND THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY ON WHAT AFFORDABLE [00:45:01] HOUSING LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD. AND ON ONE PIECE OF THAT, I HOPE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, ENERGY EFFICIENCY WHEN WE BUILD THESE NEW BUILDINGS. AGAIN, IT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS A CITY TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, IF WE CAN FIND WAYS TO ELIMINATE OR REDUCE THE COST OF ENERGY, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PASS ON TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT THAT SAVES MONEY TO ME, SAVES MONEY FOR HUD. AND THERE ARE THINGS IN THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU CAN GET SOME SERIOUS SUBSIDY TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS. SO I HOPE WE DON'T MISS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, AS WE GO FORWARD, I'LL JUMP OUT AND GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU. IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF RESPOND JUST REAL QUICKLY. SO ONE, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN CHICAGO, PITTSBURGH CITIES THAT ARE VERY DENSE. I LOVE HIGH RISE BUILDINGS. I ABSOLUTELY I THINK MR. OLSON SPENT TIME, YOU KNOW, SPENT TIME IN NEW YORK. WE LOVE AND HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HIGH RISE BUILDINGS. AND I DON'T I AGREE WHILE HIGH RISE IN CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF DENSITY WITHOUT THE RIGHT SUPPORTS AND THE RIGHT DESIGN AND THE RIGHT SERVICES IS PROBLEMATIC, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HIGH RISE IN AND OF ITSELF IS THE PROBLEM, SECONDARILY, I WOULD LOVE I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO A NET ZERO CARBON BUILDING. SO HERE'S OUR CHANCE, YOU KNOW. SO WE'LL TRY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. ARE YOU THERE? OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN PARKER? YES. I JUST HAVE A QUICK CLARIFICATION QUESTION. THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR D'OSCAR MANOR, AND THEN MOST OF OUR HOUSING UNITS, WHICH ENTITY IS THAT? MANAGES D'OSCAR MANOR AND OUR PUBLIC HOUSING SITES. SO THAT'S OUR MAINTENANCE AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM. SO. SO WE DO IT IN HOUSE. YES. OKAY ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAN. SAM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN DIFFERENT PLACES WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PLACE THESE PEOPLE, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN A LEASE? YES SO IF THEY'RE MOVING TO ANOTHER UNIT, THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER LEASE WITH US FOR THE NEW SITE. IF THEY'RE ON A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER IN THE PRIVATE MARKET, THEY'LL HAVE A LEASE WITH THEIR PRIVATE LANDLORD. IF THEY'RE IN A PROJECT BASED VOUCHER UNIT, THEY'LL HAVE A LEASE WITH THE LANDLORD THERE AS WELL. YES OKAY. THEY HAVE LEASES NOW WHEN THE BUILDINGS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU FINALLY ERECT D'OSCAR, THESE FOLKS ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE BACK. ARE THEY GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BREAK THESE LEASES WITH THESE VARIOUS, ORGANIZATIONS AND RENTERS? NO. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR LEASE. LIKE IF ANY, IF YOU BREAK YOUR LEASE, YOU KNOW, YOU THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT. OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT D'OSCAR RESIDENTS ARE SET UP FOR SUCCESS. WE WOULD LOVE WE WANT THEM TO HAVE A GOOD FIRST MOVE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE HIRED PEOPLE. WE'RE WORKING WITH SO MANY PARTNERS. WE'RE HAVING AN EVENT THERE TOMORROW TO WELCOME PARTNERS ON SITE SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT D'OSCAR RESIDENTS HAVE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. IT'S OUR GOAL TO MAKE SURE RESIDENTS ARE COMPLIANT WITH THEIR LEASE. AND I DON'T SAY THAT AS LIKE A STERN THING. IT'S WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK IF THEY CHOOSE TO COME BACK. A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT WE FIND IN RELOCATION IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE MOVE SOMEWHERE, THEY LOVE IT AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO MOVE AGAIN, AND THAT'S FINE. THAT'S NOT A BAD OUTCOME, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AS COUNCILWOMAN SHANKLIN WAS SAYING, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT KIND OF HOUSING UNIT? WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS MY LEASE MEAN? WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO COMPLY, AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO DO IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO PUT ON AN ELDERLY PEOPLE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, THESE PEOPLE ARE ELDERLY. SOME OF THEM SIGN A LEASE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENT WITH PAYMENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING TO COME ON THEM. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO SIGN ANOTHER LEASE AND THEN MAYBE HAVE TO BREAK IT IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO D'OSCAR. THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT WITH OUR SENIORS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY EVERYBODY AT D'OSCAR NOW HAS A LEASE SO THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LEASE WITH US AT D'OSCAR AND WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF AND SOCIAL SERVICE SUPPORT TO HELP PEOPLE THROUGH THAT. SO I KNOW IT'S A LOT. I WISH THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO RELOCATE PEOPLE OUT OF D'OSCAR MANOR. I TRULY WISH THAT I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER PATH FORWARD, BUT TO GET PEOPLE OUT, AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE KNOW IT'S ENORMOUSLY DISRUPTIVE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT THEM. SO I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SIGN THE LEASES. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORTS FOR PEOPLE GOING FORWARD. I HEAR YOU, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ONE MORE AND I'LL PASS IT ON, YOU IDENTIFIED THE WORST UNITS, AND [00:50:02] THE FOLKS ARE BEING MOVED FROM THEIR FIRST. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DR. COREY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BE VERY ALARMED BECAUSE TAMMY HAD PUT BACK IN AND WE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET TAMMY AND PUT COUNCILWOMAN. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. ALL MY QUESTIONS ARE OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN HOPKINS. THANK YOU, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ECHO OFF OF, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, I JUST GOT TWO QUESTIONS. AND THAT IS, SO ARE SO ARE WE SAYING THAT IF, IF A TENANT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE, IT'S A PROCESS FOR THEM TO MOVE BECAUSE, Y'ALL KNOW WHO I AM. YOU KNOW, LAMAR HAS NOT BEEN IN COMPLIANCE. YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING SOMETHING OF OTHER OF, OF OUR CONSTITUENTS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN, AND FOR A VERY LONG TIME, OSCAR DIDN'T JUST GET LIKE THAT, LIKE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A WHILE, AND IT'S BEEN OVERLOOKED, SO THOSE TENANTS, I'M SURE, HAS JUST FELT LIKE, FORGET IT. THEY DON'T CARE. SO WHY SHOULD WE, HALF OF THEM WASN'T EVEN GETTING THEIR MAINTENANCE REQUEST TAKEN CARE OF. I MEAN, AND WHO CAN REALLY. WHO WINS AGAINST LAMAR IF THEY GO TO TAKE THEM TO COURT? I MEAN, SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS JUST FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IN A DIFFERENT SET OF LENSES. YOU KNOW, BEST CASE SCENARIO, DEFINITELY NOT A LOOPHOLE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR ANOTHER SET OF LENSES, AND SECONDLY, I WANT TO GET OUT TO OSCAR JUST FOR A SECOND. AND, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAD ADOPTED THIS, AND BUT I'VE YET TO HEAR ANYBODY SPEAK TO THIS. SINCE LISA OSAKA DID RESIGN. AND THAT WAS, THE CARPET THAT IS OVER IN, IN MY DISTRICT, AT MY SENIOR BUILDING. THAT CARPET'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 22 YEARS. AND I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR SAID THAT HE WOULD, HAVE IT REPLACED. I BELIEVE I WAS TOLD THAT HE MAY HAVE MISSPOKE, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION COULDN'T DO, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE MANAGEMENT, I DID HEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING WINTER WOULD WAS THEIR MANAGEMENT, I DID HEAR THAT THEY WAS CHANGING MANAGEMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT 22 YEAR OLD CARPET THAT'S THERE, THAT WE GET THAT CARPET REPLACED PLEASE. SO IF WE CAN PUT THAT ON OUR TO DO LIST, PLEASE, IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, DO YOU WANT US TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. DO YOU WANT US TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS REAL QUICK? QUICKLY. YOU CAN. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER ABOUT THAT CARPET. SO YOU CAN'T, I, COUNCILMEMBER HAWKINS, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS. WE ABSOLUTELY. WE HAD A CONVERSATION OVER JUST LAST WEEK AT A CONFERENCE WITH THE STAFF AT WINTER WOOD ABOUT THE CARPET. WE ARE WORKING ON. IT'S A CAPITAL EXPENSE. WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING MAKING SURE THAT THEY UTILIZE THEIR THEIR CAPITAL RESERVES TO ADDRESS THAT. IT IS SOMETHING WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON NOW. SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE I WANT TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIE TO YOU RIGHT NOW. SO I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL GET IT DONE. I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. HE'S GOING TO LAY THE NEW CARPET HIMSELF. I CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S TIRED OF THOSE CARPETS AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LEASE COMPLIANCE AS WELL, BECAUSE I, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, IS DO SOME MORE HUDDLING INTERNALLY AND COME BACK TO YOU ALL WITH MORE PARAMETERS AND MORE SPECIFICS, LIKE I HEAR YOU, I HEAR YOU. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE AT OSCAR AND SOME OF OUR OTHER SITES HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT, BUT WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO A PLACE WHERE TENANTS ARE MAINTAINING THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN, AND LMA IS MAINTAINING OUR END OF THE BARGAIN. SO WE'RE IN A PROCESS OF TRYING TO REINSTITUTE THAT TWO WAY RESPECT SO WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH MORE DETAILS ON THAT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WALKER, THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE KENTUCKY RESIDENTS CAN WITHHOLD THEIR RENT. DO YOU KNOW IF TENANT RIGHTS IN KENTUCKY APPLY TO HOUSING AUTHORITY RESIDENTS, WELL, THEY YEAH, YEAH IT DOES. AND IN ANY RESIDENT THAT WANTS TO WITHHOLD THEIR RENT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING SERVICES FROM US, AS YOU KNOW, SHOULD PUT THAT IN ESCROW. LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT AMOUNT IN CASE THEY GET TO COURT. AND THE COURT SAYS, NO, YOU HAVE TO PAY. SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLANT, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE NOT PLANT A RENT STRIKE AGAINST LMA. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SET THAT [00:55:03] RENT ASIDE, WHEN IS YOUR NEXT COMMUNITY PARTNERS MEETING AND HOW CAN ORGANIZATIONS GET INVITED TO THAT IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY? SO, ANYBODY CAN REACH OUT TO ME OR PAM BISCHOFF ON OUR TEAM WHO'S LEADING THAT EFFORT, OR DAN FARRELL, TO GET ADDED TO IT. WE'RE HAPPY WE KNEW THAT. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE EVERYBODY, SO WE'VE WE'VE DONE SOME ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP INTERVIEWS WITH FOLKS. WE'RE TRYING TO MAP OUT, WHAT SERVICES WE HAVE REPRESENTED IN THERE WITH THE GAPS ARE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN WE'RE SCHEDULING THE NEXT ONE FOR, I THINK, SEPTEMBER. BUT ANYBODY THAT WAS LEFT OFF, IT WAS UNINTENTIONAL. PLEASE REACH OUT. WE'RE HAPPY TO INCLUDE MORE PEOPLE. THIS IS AN ALL HANDS ON DECK EFFORT, AND MY HOPE IS THAT ONCE WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RELOCATION FROM OSCAR, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO CALL ON THAT GROUP AS WE YOU KNOW, PLAN BETTER SERVICES FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. I JUST WANT TO END WITH A COMMENT. IN MARCH 1966, THE COURIER JOURNAL PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE ABOUT OSCAR OPENING, AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE NAMED AFTER THE LATE NICHOLAS H. OSCAR, FORMER ADMINISTRATOR AND GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE HOUSING COMMISSION. HE WAS REGARDED AS THE PUBLIC HOUSING OFFICIALS FATHER OF PUBLIC HOUSING IN LOUISVILLE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHAT KEITH SAID ABOUT SETTING AN EXAMPLE FOR PUBLIC HOUSING IN THIS COUNTRY IS IMPORTANT, AND I PRAY WE GET BACK TO THAT, BECAUSE DECADES AGO, OSCAR WAS THAT EXAMPLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN OWEN. I APPRECIATE ALL MY COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS ABOUT OPERATIONS. IT'S IMPORTANT I KNOW MORE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE THAN I DO ABOUT THE OPERATIONS SIDE. SO WHAT IS THE I KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS THAT CITIES ENGAGE WITH DEVELOPERS TO BUILD NEW HOUSING. WHAT WHAT IS THE. AND THERE'S PROBABLY NO RIGHT ANSWER IN HOW BEST TO DO IT. BUT IS THERE IS THERE KIND OF A BEST PRACTICE AT THIS POINT, WHETHER YOU KNOW, A PARTICIPATES AS A CO DEVELOPER AND OWNS THE PROPERTY GOING FORWARD AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD? AND THEN AS A SIDE THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN. WHERE WE THINKING THAT WE WOULD PARTNER WITH ONE DEVELOPER TO DO ALL OF THOSE SITES, OR THAT WE WOULD SPLIT IT UP, MORE BROADLY THAN THAT, SO TWO BEST PRACTICES, I THINK THE MOST MODERN APPROACH IS THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SERVES AS EITHER ITS OWN DEVELOPER OR CO-DEVELOPER, THERE ARE OBVIOUS FINANCIAL BENEFITS TO THAT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO CONTROL BENEFITS TO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR SOMETIMES THE HORROR STORIES ABOUT DEVELOPERS THAT GET INVOLVED FOR THE WRONG REASONS AND KIND OF TAKE OVER A PROCESS BY BEING A CO DEVELOPER IN THAT PROCESS THAT PREVENTS WE PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. THE OTHER PART ABOUT THAT IS BEYOND THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS WE GET THE BENEFITS OF AT THE END OF THE 15 YEAR, THESE SOME OF THESE COMPLIANCE PERIODS FOR THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES. WE THEN BENEFIT BY BEING ABLE TO RETAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY AND START THE PROCESS AGAIN IF NEED BE OR OR REENGAGE IN MORE DIRECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO THE CURRENT KIND OF BEST PRACTICES IS THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SERVES AS A CO DEVELOPER IN THIS PROCESS. AND THEN WE SELECT FROM A WIDE POOL OF OTHER DEVELOPERS TO SUPPORT MOSTLY TO SUPPORT US, BASICALLY WITH THE GOAL BEING THAT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WE GAIN THE EXPERIENCE AND THE CAPACITY TO BECOME THE FULL SERVICE DEVELOPER FOR ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES AND OTHER PROPERTIES GOING FORWARD. I MEAN, THERE THERE ARE HOUSING AUTHORITIES THAT ENGAGE IN NON AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE HOUSING AUTHORITIES THAT ENGAGE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THEIR AREA TO BRING DOLLARS BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AVENUES TO DO THAT. BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROCESS THE KIND OF BEST PRACTICE THAT'S NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED IS TO BE A CO DEVELOPER TO GAIN THOSE FEES, TO GAIN THAT CAPACITY, TO GAIN THAT EXPERIENCE, SO THAT OVER TIME YOU GROW INTO YOUR OWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER. AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH A VARIETY OF PARTNERS. YEAH. AND THE SECOND PART, YES, WE ARE SPREADING KIND OF SPREADING THE LOVE AROUND. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH, I HAD A I HAD A STRONG OPINION ABOUT THAT QUESTION. THAT WAS ANOTHER LOADED QUESTION. AND THE ANSWER WAS THE ONE I WANTED TO HEAR. SO I APPRECIATE THAT, OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE ANY DEVELOPER, WHETHER IT'S THE WELL, WHETHER IT'S THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT'S THE DEVELOPER OR ANYBODY ELSE, PEOPLE ARE GOOD AT IT OR NOT. RIGHT. AND SO IF WE CAN BUILD OUR CAPACITY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE BECOME GOOD AT IT, THEN WE SHOULD NOT SHY AWAY FROM DOING THAT. SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION. THANKS MR. SMITH, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT THEN I HAVE COUNCILMAN BENSON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, MY COMMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, BEING ELIGIBLE TO MOVE BACK IN A LOT OF TIMES. AND I NOTICED THAT COUNCILMAN SAM SAID, A LOT OF TIMES, THESE ARE SENIORS THAT ARE MOVING BACK IN AND ALL THAT, BUT WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN A HOUSE, A LOT OF TIMES SENIORS CAN'T CUT THE GRASS. WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY COME OUT AND THEY GET CITED FOR NOT HAVING A GRASS CUT OR NOT BEING [01:00:03] ABLE TO TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT AND IT'S THE YARD IS A MESS. AND WE RUN INTO THAT ALL THE TIME WITH SENIORS. AND THESE CODES GO AGAINST THE HOMEOWNER. AND OF COURSE, THE HOMEOWNER TRIES TO GET HIS MONEY BACK THROUGH FOR THE TENANT. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS MAY HAPPEN TO ONE OF OUR SENIORS? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET BACK IN, OR WOULD THEY AUTOMATICALLY BE PUT OUT OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? YOU MEAN IF SOMEBODY MOVES SOMEWHERE AND DOESN'T CUT THEIR GRASS OR SOMETHING, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO COME BACK? I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THEM FROM COMING BACK, SO, MA'AM, I THINK THE PROBABLY THE BEST ANSWER IS THAT WE WANT TO AS I THINK AS MR. MENTIONED, WE WANT TO PLACE PEOPLE IN, IN A UNIT THAT THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN FIRST. SO IF WE HAVE SENIORS AND WE'RE HAVING OUR HOUSING NAVIGATORS MEET WITH THEM, WE WANT THEM TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. ARE YOU DO YOU WANT A PLACE THAT HAS GRASS? CAN YOU CUT THAT GRASS OR, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU ABLE TO MOVE THE TRASH FROM, YOU KNOW, YOUR UNIT TO OUT IN THE STREET AND BACK, YOU KNOW, ONCE A WEEK, SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US THAT, AS MR. OLSON MENTIONED, THE FIRST MOVE IS A REALLY GOOD MOVE. AND WE PLACE PEOPLE IN A UNIT THAT IS BEST SUITED TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS. AND THAT'S REALLY OUR GOAL. I THINK IN THE LONG TERM, WE TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE. I THINK THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU IS THAT WE TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WOULD EVER LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO RETURN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LEASE COMPLIANCE IS A PART OF THAT. BUT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE FAMILY WAS OR THE INDIVIDUAL WAS GIVEN EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY AND EVERY SUPPORT NECESSARY SO THAT THEY COULD BE SUCCESSFUL WITH, YOU KNOW, RETURNING IF THEY WANTED TO, TO THE NEW BUILDINGS. OKAY, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE PASSING OUT THIS. DID YOU KNOW THE LAW? IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE LAW, I THINK YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY LET THESE PEOPLE KNOW BEFORE THEY GO INTO THAT, BECAUSE THEY WILL GET CITED IN IN MY AREA. THEY WILL. YES, MA'AM. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VINCENT, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, MAYBE I'M A LITTLE NAIVE, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS TO BE TORE DOWN. EVERYBODY SAID. OH, IT'S. I MEAN, TO ME, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A NICE PLACE, NICE DESIGN, AND SAID, WELL, IT'S OUTDATED OR IT'S WORE OUT OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. IN OUR CITY WE HAVE A BUNCH OF HOUSES THAT ARE OVER 100 YEARS OLD, AND WE'RE NOT TEARING THEM DOWN. PEOPLE ARE FIXING THEM UP. AND BUT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS, OH, WE GOT TO START OFF NEW. WE GOT AND I IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE PEOPLE OUT AND FIX ONE UP AND THEY MOVE BACK AND FIX UP THE NEXT ONE. NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T MAKE SOME MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HELP PEOPLE OUT. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE, HAVE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE I ASK PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. I SAID, THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. WHEN A STUDENT GETS OUT OF SCHOOL AND CAN'T GET A JOB, SCHOOL DIDN'T HELP US. EVERYBODY DON'T NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PEOPLE NEED TO BE ON THEIR OWN, BUT WE NEED TO HELP THEM. YOU KNOW, I PUT OVER 500 KIDS IN JOBS IN VOCATIONAL EDUCATION WHO WERE NOT CONSIDERED THE CREAM OF THE CROP, BUT I GUARANTEE THEY MADE MORE MONEY IN THEIR LIFE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER KIDS. EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY THE WAY. YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SKILL AND SO UNTIL WE FIX THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, PROBABLY WE WON'. BUT WHY DON'T WE FIX UP WHAT WE GOT AND MAKE SOME MORE INSTEAD OF TEARING DOWN WHAT WE GOT? I MEAN, I COULD FIX IT. I MEAN, Y'ALL DON'T KNOW ME, BUT I'M A TOOL MAKER. I CAN FIX IT. I CAN MAKE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, ANDREW WAS TALKING ABOUT A EFFICIENCY. I MEAN, MY HOUSE IS GEOTHERMAL HEAT AND COOLED, AND I KNOW HOW TO HOW TO SAVE A BUCK. I'M CHEAP. AND SO WHEN WE'RE SPENDING SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY, WE OUGHT TO THINK HARD. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT AND MAKE THEM MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING? PEOPLE DON'T MIND PAYING TAXES. THEY JUST DON'T LIKE TO SEE WASTED MONEY. AND TO ME, GOSPEL MANOR LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A NICE PLACE. WHAT MANAGE RIGHT PEOPLE GOT DISPLACEMENT AND GOT TIRED AND IT GOT RUN DOWN. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE RUN BACK UP AND MAKE IT GOOD AND DO SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THE STREET OR SOMEPLACE ELSE. BUT TO ME, IT'S NOT WASTED. IT'S JUST LIKE THE HOSPITAL. HIGHLAND BAPTIST, THAT YOU COULDN'T MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THAT AND SAY, OH, WE GOT TEAR IT DOWN. I THINK WASTE, WASTE IN MY MIND. I'M. I'M THE ODD PERSON HERE. NO, I HEAR YOU. AND THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO DO WHEN I GOT HERE. I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO HAVE TO TEAR THESE BUILDINGS DOWN. AND WE ARE NOT TEARING DOWN AVENUE PLAZA, WHICH IS ANOTHER SENIOR HIGH RISE, BECAUSE THAT BUILDING STILL HAS [01:05:01] A LOT OF USEFUL LIFE LEFT. BUT WE HAVE TO INVEST IN IT NOW AND MANAGE IT PROPERLY. GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TEAR THAT ONE DOWN TOO. BUT WE ARE SAVING AVENUE PLAZA. THE WE LOOKED AT SO MUCH INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAME TO THE DECISION THAT WE THOUGHT DEMOLISHING IT WAS THE BEST PATH. I DID NOT TAKE THAT DECISION LIGHTLY. WE DID A PHYSICAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT ROOF TO BASEMENT. WE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM. WE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN TO FIXING D'OSCAR MANOR. IT WOULD BE LIKE $200 MILLION TO FIX D'OSCAR MANOR, AND THAT WOULD STILL NOT ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THERE'S TWO ELEVATORS IN THE CENTRAL PART OF EACH BUILDING, SO THAT IF WATER DOES GET INTO THE ELEVATOR BANKS, AS IT HAS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEN THE ELEVATORS ARE SHOT AND YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF SENIORS WHO CAN'T GET UP AND DOWN. IT STILL DOESN'T ADDRESS THE SECURITY CONCERNS THAT KEITH WAS POINTING OUT. ONCE YOU'RE ONTO THE SITE, YOU'RE ONTO THE SITE AND YOU CAN GET INTO LIKE ANY UNIT. SO WE ARE POURING RESOURCES RIGHT NOW INTO TRYING TO SECURE THESE BUILDINGS, AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SECURE THESE BUILDINGS LIKE WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN NOW. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I HAVE A LOT OF ANGER ABOUT THE FACT THAT OSCAR LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES NOW. IT IS AWFUL TO HAVE TO RELOCATE PEOPLE. IT IS NOT A GOOD OUTCOME TO HAVE TO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING AND REBUILD IT. I COMPLETELY AGREE, WE LOOKED AT ALL POSSIBILITIES AND I REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST ONE. AND WE'VE ASKED HUD IF THEY IF THEY AGREE WITH US, I'D ALSO BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOU TO OSCAR AT ANY TIME. AND IF YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG, I AM ALWAYS ALL EARS. YOU WANT TO GO? YEAH. I WOULDN'T MIND. OKAY. I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I'VE NOT SEEN SOMETHING THAT I COULDN'T FIX IT, BRING YOUR BRING YOUR TOOLS TO FIX. YEAH BRING YOUR TOOLS TOO. WE'LL HAVE A WE'LL HAVE A REHAB DAY. YEAH. LET'S GO TALK ABOUT IT. THERE'S WATER IN THE SHAFTS OF THE ELEVATORS. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CAN'T FIND A WAY TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THE SHAFTS. AND SO THE WATER IS NOT. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RIGHT? ROCKET SCIENCE. RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A MAN ON THE MOON. WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SCIENCE. SOMETHING PRETTY SIMPLE THAT EVER SINCE THE EARTH'S BEEN COOLED, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN. AND SO, ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS ANYBODY, BUT IN GOVERNMENT, I FOUND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT WHO'S NEVER DONE ANYTHING AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. AND SO THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IS TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD NEW. IT'S NOT EASY. NO, THIS IS NOT EASY. BUT LET'S LET'S GO CHECK IT OUT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE SEE. AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SAME THING. YOU WANT TO DO IT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL GO. ALRIGHTY. THANKS MR. COUNCILMAN BENSON, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A REPORT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL BEEN THERE, SO THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? OH, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE IN THIS DISPERSION AND THE STATE THAT TARC IS IN RIGHT NOW, ARE WE CONSIDERING THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT, BUT WITH TARC IN THE SITUATION THEY'RE IN, AND WE'RE DISPERSING THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE, ARE WE CONSIDERING THAT AND CONSIDERING SOME TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THESE FOLKS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN A CENTRAL AREA, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISPERSING THESE PEOPLE ALL OVER. AND WHERE ARE WE PUTTING THEM? WHERE'S THE BULK OF THE, THE PEOPLE GOING TO. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, SO I WON'T SAY OBVIOUSLY I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT, THE ANSWER, I GUESS THAT AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE WORKING WITH THE FAMILIES TO LET THEM TELL US WHERE IT'S BEST FOR THEM. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK TO THESE FAMILIES, WHEN OUR NAVIGATORS TALK TO THE FAMILIES, WE'RE ASKING CERTAIN QUESTIONS TO TRY TO DETERMINE A IF BEING IN OUR PORTFOLIO IS THE BEST FOR THEM. IF BEING IN ONE OF OUR SECTION EIGHT LANDLORD PROPERTIES IS BEST, THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTNERS WHO ARE BUILDING BRAND NEW PROPERTIES, WHO ARE NEARBY AS WELL. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LG HAS PROPERTIES RIGHT UP THE STREET. IT'S STILL IN THE SAME AREA, STILL NEAR THE MEDICAL FACILITY. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF OPTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FAMILIES HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT WE ASK THEM, WHAT DO THEY NEED FOR THEIR FOR THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION. AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHICH UNITS IN THE CITY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR THEM. SO WE ARE CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WE DON'T JUST WANT TO DISPERSE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. WE GET THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. PEOPLE DO NEED TO HAVE A SAY IN WHERE THEY GO AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM, SO THAT WE TRY TO KIND OF LET THEM GUIDE US A LITTLE BIT, ADDITIONALLY, WE DON'T I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER AS TO WHERE EVERYBODY IS GOING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY KIND OF EARLY ON IN THAT PROCESS. BUT WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN AREAS THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO ELDERS, WE'D LOVE TO KEEP THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. IN THAT WE HAVE LIBERTY GREEN. THAT'S RIGHT THERE. THERE'S NEW PROPERTIES COMING UP IN THAT AREA. WE'D LOVE TO KEEP THEM IN THOSE AREAS. SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF VACANCIES THAT WE PLAN TO USE, SOME OF THE OTHER FAMILIES MAY DISPERSE THEM. MAYBE THEY WANT TO GO FURTHER OUT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT FAMILY AT PARK HILL, OR THEY WANT TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE [01:10:01] RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE INDIVIDUAL AS TO WHERE THEY END UP, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T REALLY WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO END UP BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS PARTLY DRIVEN BY, BY THEIR NEEDS. MY CONCERN IS, TOO, IS THAT SOME OF THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY NEED. THEY'VE BEEN IN A SHELTERED SITUATION FOR A LONG TIME, AND LIKE OUR CHAIR SAID, SOME OF THEM DON'T. THEY HAVEN'T CUT GRASS, THEY DON'T HAVE A MOWER, AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND WE'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS WAY OUT IN SOUTHWEST JEFFERSON WITH NO PARK AND NO NO RESOURCES. AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO OUR ELDERLY PEOPLE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FAIR FOR THEM. SO I HOPE WE'RE WE'RE MINDFUL OF THAT. BUT THANK YOU. YEAH. NO ABSOLUTELY SIR. YES THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? WE I REALLY APPRECIATE CAN I JUST SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM ARE TOUGH AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SEEING IT AT ALL ANGLES. AND WHEN WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE SAID WE DO OR WHEN WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS RIGHT, OR WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THIS THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY. AND IF PEOPLE CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN, WE WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT. SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO SHUT ANYTHING DOWN. WE'RE HERE TO WE'RE HERE TO TALK AND BE TRANSPARENT. SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO SEND THINGS OUR WAY. THANK YOU. I'M THINKING THAT AFTER WE GET SO MANY OF THEM OUT, THEN WE'LL CALL YOU BACK IN AND SEE HOW IT'S WORKING. SO I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO. YOU KNOW, TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW THINGS ARE GOING AFTER YOU GET RID OF. I THINK THE A BUILDING. YEAH OKAY. YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND WE APPRECIATE IT. AND, IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS AND, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME OF THESE THINGS OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.