May 30, 2024 Ad Hoc Committee on Land Use (trimmed)

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WELCOME TO THE MAY THURSDAY, MAY 30TH, MEET OF THE AD HOC LAND USE COMMITTEE, I'M ANDREW OWEN,

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[1. ID 24-0333     MANUFACTURED HOUSING – Logan Hanes, Ky Manufactured Housing Institute,  Joel Dock, Brian Davis, and Rachel Casey, Office of Planning]

IT'S NOT THE SOLUTION. BUT AS YOU SAID, IT MUST BE PART OF THE SOLUTION IN ORDER TO ADDRESS IT.

SO, AGAIN, MY NAME IS LOGAN HAYNES. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE KENTUCKY MANUFACTURED HOUSING INSTITUTE. WE'RE A TRADE ASSOCIATION BASED OUT OF FRANKFORT, WE REPRESENT, MANUFACTURERS, DEALERS, LENDERS, COMMUNITY AND PARK OWNERS, SERVICE SUPPLIERS, AND EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN, ONE OF THE SERVICES THAT WE DO PROVIDE IS, IS WE HELP CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, THIS INDUSTRY HAS TO OFFER NOW, AND HELP THEM TO UPDATE THEIR ORDINANCES, FOR, JUST THE UPDATED, PERCEPTION AND WHAT THIS INDUSTRY IS TODAY. SO ANYTIME, YOU KNOW, I GO THROUGH THESE, TYPES OF CONVERSATION, I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST RIP THE BAND AID OFF OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR INDUSTRY TODAY? AND WHAT IS IT NOT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO ASK YOU ALL WHEN YOU ALL THINK OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK OF? YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS? WHAT ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS, CONCERNS. AND MY DAD WAS A DRILL SERGEANT DURING VIETNAM, SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T HURT MY FEELINGS TOO. TOO BAD. DO WE REQUEST TO SPEAK, CHAIR? SURE. OKAY, I MISSED THE SPEAKER BUTTON, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT NOW, I DID GO TO THE, EVENT THAT THAT THAT WAS HAD I, I GREW I'VE LIVED A LOT OF PLACES, BUT AT ONE POINT WE LIVED IN A TRAILER HOME. AND I REMEMBER BECAUSE WE HAD SALT WATER RUNNING THROUGH THE TAPS. SO WHEN I FIRST LEARNED ABOUT PRE-MANUFACTURED HOUSING, I THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE TRAILER HOMES. BUT THEN I'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS, THAT WHEN IT COMES TO EFFICIENCY, THE TIME IT TAKES TO BUILD AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWING FAMILIES, THAT IT IS A VERY VIABLE OPTION AND, AND THAT I'VE LEARNED THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE DIFFERENT MATERIALS, AND FOR US, OUR FIRST HOME WAS IT HAD WHAT THEY CALLED GOOD BONES. RIGHT IT WAS IT'S BRICK, IT'S RANCH. IT'S IT HAD A BASEMENT. SO IT HAD GOOD BONES. BUT RIGHT NOW MY HUSBAND AND I ARE DEALING WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MODERNIZED IN OUR HOME. AND WE TALK ABOUT IF WE HAD ONE OF THE PREFAB HOMES, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF THAT TAKEN CARE OF. SO I

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IT INCREASES AT THE SAME RATE OF VALUE AS THAT OF A SITE BUILT HOME NOT CLOSE TO NOT NOT. WE HOPE TO GET THERE ONE DAY, BUT IT INCREASES AT THE SAME RATE OF A SITE BUILT. SO JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE IMAGERY, SOME OF THE VIDEOS, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT KIND OF WHAT THE INDUSTRY CAN LOOK LIKE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SOUND. IF WE DID, YOU'D HEAR SOME GREAT MUSIC RIGHT NOW. THERE WE GO.

SO THOSE LOOK OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK OF WHEN THEY THINK OF, MAN MADE HOUSING OR OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, MANY WILL REFER TO AS MOBILE HOMES, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I'M SURE THAT THIS COMMITTEE EXISTS IS BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. YOU KNOW, WE SEE IT, GETTING WORSE AND WORSE, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, AND I'M SURE HAVE STUDIED THE LAST HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE, FOR LOUISVILLE, SHOWED THAT IT WAS ALMOST 32,000 HOMES, AS WHAT LOUISVILLE WAS SHORT AND TO ADDRESS THAT, IT WAS GOING TO COST APPROXIMATELY $3.5 BILLION, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS SINCE THEN DO DIFFERENT HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENTS, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF LOUISVILLE'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SANCTIONED ONE, IF YOU WILL. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATIONS NOW IS THAT'S ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 50,000 UNITS AND, AND THAT'S THE STORY THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE, IN EVERY CITY, AND EVERY EVEN RURAL AREA. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE NEW AFFORDABLE HOMES ARE

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AND SO SITE BUILDERS ARE NOT BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOMES, AND, AND THE AFFORDABLE HOMES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY BUILT OR PREVIOUSLY DEEMED AFFORDABLE HAVE BEEN PURCHASED. THEY'VE BEEN REHABBED, THEY'VE BEEN FLIPPED. AND WHEN THEY'RE SOLD AGAIN, THEY'RE PRICED OUT OF THAT AFFORDABLE DISTINCTION. YOU ALL KNOW THIS BETTER THAN THAN, THAN ANY RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT JUST AFFECTING, YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNERS AND, AND THOSE THAT ARE NEEDING A HOME OR WANTING A HOME. IT'S ALSO AFFECTING BUSINESSES, BOEING NATIONAL RESEARCH DID A STUDY THIS PAST YEAR, THAT, SURVEYED EMPLOYERS AND THEY ASKED EMPLOYERS, YOU KNOW, HAVE LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS ADVERSELY IMPACTED YOUR BUSINESS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS? AND OVER HALF SAID, YEAH, THAT'S IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPACTED OUR BUSINESS. AND SO THEY ASK A QUESTION, WELL, IF YOUR AREA COULD ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE LIKELY TO ADD MORE EMPLOYEES. AND YOU KNOW, ALMOST TWO THIRDS SAID, YEAH, WE WOULD WE WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO ADD MORE EMPLOYEES. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST THE INDIVIDUAL, IT'S ALSO THE BUSINESS, THAT IS BEING IMPACTED AS WELL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REAL PUSH AND THERE HAS BEEN A PUSH FOR MANY DECADES AND, AND POSSIBLY EVER. AND THE STORIES AND THE HEADLINES THAT ARE GREAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES WHEN THE BUSINESSES COME INTO TOWN. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, HOUSES ARE WHERE JOBS GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. AND SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE HOUSING, THOSE JOBS HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE THE TIME TO CONSIDER THIS. SO FIRST LET'S AGAIN JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TERMS. RIGHT. TRAILERS WE HEAR OF THIS INDUSTRY BEING REFERRED TO AS TRAILERS. TRAILERS ARE FOR TRAVEL PURPOSES. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE PRODUCE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE MAKE. THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR, OUR MANUFACTURERS, YOU KNOW, WORK ON DAY IN AND DAY OUT, MOBILE HOMES. AGAIN, THESE ARE HOMES PRIOR TO 1976 THAT WERE NOT REGULATED, BY DEFINITION. AGAIN, LEGALLY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A MOBILE HOME BUILT SINCE 1976.

SINCE THEN, YOU HAVE MANUFACTURED HOMES, RIGHT? MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE THE HUD REGULATED HOMES. AND SO REALLY YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT ONE DEFINITION OVER HERE THAT IS A MANUFACTURED HOME. THERE'S SOME SUB DEFINITIONS UNDER THAT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT. THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER DEFINITION OVER HERE THAT IS A MODULAR HOME. A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THESE ARE SYNONYMOUS. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE REPRESENT BOTH OF THOSE INDUSTRIES PROUDLY, MANUFACTURED HOMES, BY DEFINITION, ARE REGULATED BY HUD. IT'S A FEDERALLY REGULATED INDUSTRY, A FEDERALLY REGULATED HOME. IT'S BUILT TO THAT HUD CODE MODULAR HOME IS BUILT TO THE LOCAL CODE USED TO MODULAR HOME WAS FAR SUPERIOR TO A MANUFACTURED HOME, AND REASON WAS WAS BECAUSE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. BECAUSE OF THE CODE IN WHICH THEY WERE BUILT TO, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE PLANNING AND ZONING FOLKS GEARED MORE TOWARDS MODULAR, THAT HAS CHANGED. NOT BECAUSE MODULAR HAS DECREASED IN THEIR STANDARDS. THEY HAVE INCREASED, BUT MANUFACTURED HOUSING HAS INCREASED IN THEIR STANDARDS RAPIDLY, AND SO AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG DEFINITION OVER HERE FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING. YOU'VE GOT MODULAR HOUSING UNDER MANUFACTURED HOUSING. YOU'VE GOT SOME KENTUCKY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS. ONE OF THOSE IS WHAT'S CALLED A QUALIFIED MANUFACTURED HOME, THIS IS A HOME THAT WAS BUILT ON OR AFTER JULY 15TH OF 2002. AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT HUD CODE CHANGES. SO THE QUALITY AND THE ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS THAT THE HOMES WERE BUILT TO INCREASE PRETTY DRASTICALLY, PRIOR TO THAT. SO THIS WAS KIND OF A TIME STAMP, IF YOU WILL, THE HOME HAS TO BE AFFIXED TO A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. IT'S CONNECTED TO APPROPRIATE FACILITIES, SO A PERMANENT FOUNDATION MEANS A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS TO SOME LENDERS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS A BLOCK SKIRTING A BLOCK FOUNDATION. WHEN YOU SEE A HOME, YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM HALF OF IT AND IT'S BLOCK, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR INDUSTRY, THE WAY THESE HOMES ARE DESIGNED, THAT'S SKIRTING THAT BLOCK THAT YOU SEE IS NON-LOAD BEARING. IT'S NOT STRUCTURAL AT ALL. IT'S PURELY COSMETIC. THE WAY THE HOMES ARE DESIGNED. THERE'S A METAL I-BEAM UNDER THE HOME THAT THAT LOAD OF THAT HOME TRANSFERS DOWN ONTO PIERS. THAT THING GOES ONTO A PERMANENT FOOTING UNDERNEATH THAT, AND SO THAT'S HOW IT'S ENGINEERED, YOU DO SEE PLANNING AND ZONING A LOT OF TIMES REQUIRE THAT BLOCK OR THAT MASONRY FOUNDATION. AGAIN, IT'S NOT STRUCTURAL. THERE'S NO REAL, YOU KNOW, DATA THAT SAYS THAT IT'S A MORE, SAFE HOME OR MORE SECURE HOME, BUT IT IS, IT IS COSMETIC, THE HOME HAS TO BE AT LEAST 20FT WIDE, WHICH MEANS IT'S A MULTI SECTION WHAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PREVIOUSLY CALLED A DOUBLE WIDE. OR IT HAS TO BE TWO STORIES, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 900FT■!S AND CAN'T BE LOCATED INSIDE OF A LAND LEASE COMMUNITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE VIDEO OR SEE SOME OF THE

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WHEN YOU DIVE DEEP INTO IT, THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS OF WHICH THESE HOMES THAT ARE MORE SIMPLE AND DESIGN ARE BUILT TO ARE FAR GREATER THAN THEY EVER HAVE BEEN. SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MORE AFFORDABLE BRANDS OUT THERE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST INSULATION AND ENERGY STANDARDS. THE CEILING HAS AN R 40. INSULATION WALLS HAVE AN R 19, WHICH THIS MANUFACTURER, IT'S TWO BY SIX EXTERIOR WALLS AS THEIR MINIMUM. THAT'S THEIR STANDARD, YOU DON'T SEE THAT EVEN ON SITE BUILT, AND THEN THEIR FLOORS HAVE AN R 33. SO THESE ARE, WELL INSULATED HOMES, 95% OF THE HOMES THAT ARE IN KENTUCKY ARE ENERGY STAR RATED. THE 5% THAT AREN'T DON'T PAY THE ENERGY STAR RATING MEMBERSHIP, BUT THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY MEET THE ENERGY STAR STANDARDS, AND SO JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS SIMPLE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS ARE SIMPLE. SO I HOPE WHAT YOU TAKE OUT OF THIS, IS, IS REALLY THE VERSATILITY OF THE INDUSTRY.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING MORE SIMPLE DESIGNS, BUT NOW WE HAVE CAPABILITY OF DOING MORE COMPLEX BASED OFF OF WHATEVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS, WHATEVER THAT, MUNICIPAL WANTS.

WE CAN WE CAN NOW DO. AND SO JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A FEW DIFFERENT IMAGES. THERE WILL BE A COUPLE IMAGES ON THE SCREEN. ONE OF THESE IMAGES IS A SITE BUILT HOME, ONE OF THESE IS A MANUFACTURED HUD CODE HOME, NOT A MODULAR, BUT A MANUFACTURED HUD CODE HOME. I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE MANUFACTURED HOME.

SO ON THIS PICTURE, IT'S THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. AND PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT AND THEY GO, WELL, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, CERAMIC TILE THAT LOOKS LIKE A TALLER CEILING THAN THE SEVEN FOOT CEILINGS THAT I REMEMBER OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING AND ALL.

THAT'S TRUE, THAT IS CERAMIC TILE. THOSE ARE 8.5FT WALLS. AND SO YOU'VE GOT TALLER WALLS. ALL OF THAT CAN BE DONE NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. YOU LOOK HERE, WHICH ONE IS THE MANUFACTURED? IT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT. EVEN THOUGH YOU SEE CERAMIC TILE, YOU SEE THE HEAVY SOAKER TUB. YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE PREMIUM FLOORING THAT'S A MANUFACTURED. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS A BUILDER IN CENTRAL KENTUCKY. BUT PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I CARE ABOUT THE EXTERIOR, RIGHT? WHEN I DRIVE BY THE HOME. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE LOOKS GOOD. WHEN I DRIVE BY IT, BECAUSE I DON'T I CAN'T SEE HOW NICE THE KITCHEN OR THE BATHROOM IS. SO I WANT TO SEE HOW GOOD THE EXTERIOR LOOKS. SO WHICH ONE OF THESE IS THE MANUFACTURED HOME? NOT MODULAR. MANUFACTURED IT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT. ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE MANUFACTURED HOME. YOU GO. BUT THAT ONE'S GOT A GARAGE. YEP. AGAIN, THAT'S A CAPABILITY NOW. SO THE HOME IS BUILT INSIDE OF A FACTORY. THE GARAGE IS BUILT ON SITE. SAME HOUSE, ONE ON THE RIGHT THOUGH.

THAT'S A, A SUBDIVISION CLOSER TO LEXINGTON, BUT THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE SUBDIVISION OF THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT. NOT BECAUSE OF SAFETY, NOT BECAUSE OF QUALITY, NOT BECAUSE OF VALUE, BUT BECAUSE OF AN OUTDATED PERCEPTION OF AN INDUSTRY THAT HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS. SAME WITH THE HOUSE THERE ON THE RIGHT.

THIS HOUSE, HOUSE ON THE LEFT. YOU ALL MAY RECOGNIZE THAT'S THE COVER PHOTO OF THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE IN 2018 FOR LOUISVILLE, THAT WAS A HABITAT HOUSE. THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON HABITAT HABITAT'S A PARTNER OF OURS, WE'VE WE'VE WORKED WITH HABITAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN VARIOUS, VARIOUS AREAS, BUT IF THAT WERE NOT A NONPROFIT, IF YOU HAD A FOR PROFIT BUILDER BUILD THAT HOUSE ON THE LEFT, IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE. BASED OFF OF LOUISVILLE'S AREA MEDIAN INCOME, THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS A HUD CALLED MANUFACTURED HOME THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE. THIS ONE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THAT IS A HOUSE THAT WAS PURCHASED THAT THAT HOUSE WAS AFFORDABLE. IT WAS REHABBED. IT WAS FLIPPED. AND WHEN IT WAS SOLD AGAIN, IT WAS NO LONGER CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE, BASED OFF OF THE ARMY HOUSE ON THE RIGHT, THE HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOME THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE. THESE BOTH OF THESE ARE ARE SITE BUILT OR I'M SORRY, BOTH OF THESE ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES, BUT AGAIN GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT VERSATILITY. SO YOU MAY SEE SIMPLE DESIGNS, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE TO ONE OF THE DEALERS AND, AND EXPECT TO SEE SOME OF THESE NICER HOUSES, YOU LIKELY WON'T SEE THEM. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, TYPICALLY THESE TYPES OF HOMES ARE SPECIAL ORDERED. THAT'S THAT'S ONE REASON. THE OTHER REASON IS THESE DEALERS HAVE TO PAY AN INVENTORY, INTEREST RATE BASED OFF OF WHATEVER INVENTORY THAT THEY HAVE ON THE LOT IS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PULL UP TO

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NECK AND NECK. YOU'RE RIGHT AROUND THAT 2% MARK OF HOW THESE HOMES PERFORM AFTER TEN YEARS, YOU LOOK AT A COUPLE OF OTHER TERMS. SO AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THAT MANUFACTURED HOME BUCKET HERE WHERE YOU'VE GOT QUALIFIED MANUFACTURED HOME, SOME NEWER TERMS THAT HAVE JUST COME OUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. ONE OF THOSE TERMS IS A CROSS MOD OR AN MH ADVANTAGE OR CHOICE MH. THESE ARE ALL SYNONYMOUS TERMS, CROSS MOD. IT'S A TERRIBLE NAME. THEY DIDN'T ASK MY OPINION WHEN THEY CREATED IT. PEOPLE HEAR MOD, THEY THINK MODULAR. IT'S NOT MODULAR, IT'S CROSS MODERN, AGAIN, NOT NOT A GREAT TERM, BUT AGAIN THESE ARE HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S NOT THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS THAT ARE REALLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S SOME OF THE COSMETIC STANDARDS, AND TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT THOSE ARE HAVE TO HAVE HIGHER PITCHED ROOFS, HAVE TO HAVE A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT BLOCK OR MASONRY FOUNDATION HAS TO HAVE DRYWALL THROUGHOUT HAS TO BE, ENERGY EFFICIENT, EITHER AN ENERGY STAR RATING OR, DOE'S, ENERGY RATINGS, GARAGE OR A CARPORT OR, OR, AWNINGS ON THE FRONT. SO THE GOAL IS CAN'T SIT SO HIGH OFF THE GROUND. THE GOAL IS WHEN YOU PULL IN THE DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN'T TELL THAT THESE AREN'T, A MANUFACTURED OR NOT A SITE BUILT HOME. YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A SITE BUILT AND A MANUFACTURED HOME. THAT'S THE ENTIRE GOAL. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, FANNIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC, FHA, WHAT THEY DO ON THESE HOMES, THEY REQUIRE SITE BUILT COMPS. SO WHEN THEY GO TO GET AN APPRAISAL, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A LOAN, TRADITIONALLY WITH MANUFACTURED HOUSING, YOU HAD TO FIND OTHER MANUFACTURED HOMES TO GET A COMP TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT HOME WOULD BE. AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU WOULD GET THAT COMP, IT MAY BE A COUNTY OVER OR A CITY OVER, AND IT MAY BE A 15 YEAR OLD UNIT. WELL, OF COURSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO COMPARE, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A BRAND NEW, SAFE, DURABLE UNIT THAT LOOKS LIKE A SITE BUILT, WHEREAS FANNIE, FREDDIE, FHA, THEY REQUIRE IT TO NOT BE A MANUFACTURED HOME COMP. THEY REQUIRE IT TO BE A SITE BUILT COMP. SO IF IT'S A THREE BED, TWO BATH, CROSS MOD HOME, YOU LOOK AT THE CLOSEST THREE BED, TWO BATH SITE BUILT HOME. THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUIRE OF THESE, AND SO VERY, VERY, YOU KNOW, ESTHETICALLY PLEASING HOME. THIS IS WHAT THE INSTALLATION OF ONE OF THOSE LOOKS LIKE THIS IS DOWN IN TENNESSEE. SO THEIR FROST DEPTH ISN'T SO DEEP. SO YOU CAN SEE THESE PIERS DON'T LOOK TOO DEEP. THEY HAVE A SIX INCH FROST FROST DEPTH THERE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT YOU CAN SEE AS THIS HOME COMES IN YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ROOF IS ACTUALLY LAYING DOWN. THAT'S HOW, SOME OF THESE CITIES WANT A HIGHER PITCHED ROOF TO LOOK MORE OF THAT SITE BUILT, AND IN ORDER FOR IT TO FIT UNDER THE BRIDGES AND EVERYTHING THAT IT'S GOING TO PASS, THE ROOF IS LAYING DOWN AND TRANSPORTATION. THIS ONE IS CRANE SET. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE. BUT THAT'S HOW THIS, DEALER OR THIS INSTALLER, WANTED IT TO BE DONE AGAIN. THAT PERIMETER WALL THAT YOU SEE THERE IS NON-LOAD BEARING. SEE THE ROOF? THEY'RE BEING RAISED UP ON THAT HINGE ROOF TO GET THE HEIGHT. AND THEN THIS ONE, IN PARTICULAR FOR THE GARAGE IS BUILT THERE ON SITE. SO AGAIN, GOAL BEING YOU CAN'T TELL THAT IT'S NOT A SITE BUILT HOME. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY. THAT IS, MANUFACTURED HOUSING, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR NEW MEMBERS. ME, US THAT JUST CAME, TO LOUISVILLE, HAD THEIR RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO, ON ON THE WEST END OF LOUISVILLE, AND SO THEY HAVE NOT ONLY SINGLE FAMILY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY OFFER. THEY ALSO HAVE MULTIFAMILY SOLUTIONS AS WELL, THEY DO MODULAR HOUSING, VERY SIMILAR PROCESS, BUT BUILT TO A DIFFERENT CODE, BUILT TO THE LOCAL BUILDING CODE. AND AS YOU ALL HAVE, I'M SURE SEEN VERY DESIGNS BASED OFF OF WHAT THE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. AND SO AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT MANUFACTURED, YOU'VE GOT MODULAR SAME TYPE OF INDUSTRY IN MANY CASES THEY'RE BUILT IN THE SAME EXACT FACTORY GOING DOWN THE SAME EXACT LINE, BUILT WITH THE SAME INPUTS. IT'S THE SAME STUDS , IT'S THE SAME OUTLETS, SAME FIXTURES. WHAT HAS CHANGED THOUGH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS INDUSTRY AS A FACTORY BUILT

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ACCORDING TO THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION OF 351,000 NATIONALLY. AND SO YOU HAVE AFFORDABILITY. SO IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WELL, LOGAN, IF IT'S THE SAME INPUTS, SAME OUTLET, SAME STUDS, SAME SHINGLES, SAME WINDOW, SAME FAUCETS, SAME EVERYTHING, HOW IS IT MORE AFFORDABLE? AND THERE'S A FEW ANSWERS TO THAT REASON. ONE IS YOUR YOUR BUYING POWER. RIGHT.

AN EXAMPLE IN KENTUCKY, CLAYTON, MANY OF YOU RECOGNIZE THAT NAME. CLAYTON HAS PROBABLY 70 TO 75% OF THE MARKET SHARE IN KENTUCKY. OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING PLACED, THEY BUILT ABOUT 60,000 HOMES LAST YEAR. MY BACKGROUND I WAS A SITE BUILDER IN WESTERN KENTUCKY. A GREAT, GREAT YEAR FOR ME WAS A FEW HOMES. AND SO IF I WERE TO GO TO THE LUMBER YARD AND ASK TO BUY A STUD, WHO'S GOING TO GET A BETTER DEAL? ME THAT BUYS A FEW HOMES, EVEN IF IT WERE A FEW HUNDRED HOMES COMPARED TO A CLAYTON, THAT'S GOING TO BUILD 60,000 HOMES, WHO GETS THE BETTER DEAL? THEY ARE, RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE THE BUYING POWER. SO MUCH SO THAT THEY BOUGHT THE WINDOW FACTORY, THEY BOUGHT THE LUMBER YARD, THEY BOUGHT THE LUMBER MILL. ALL THESE, THESE, DIFFERENT INPUTS SO THAT THEY COULD VERTICALLY, VERTICALLY INTEGRATE AND KEEP THAT COST LOW. SO BUYING POWER IS ONE REASON. THE OTHER REASON IS YOU HAVE EFFICIENCY, RIGHT? SO WE PLACED A HOUSE AT THE, KENTUCKY LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE THIS PAST YEAR, FROM THE TIME THAT THAT HOME WAS A PILE OF LUMBER IN THE FACTORY TO THE TIME THAT THEY WERE MOVING IT IN, MOVING FURNITURE IN AT THE, THE LOADING DOCK OF RUPP ARENA IN LEXINGTON WAS FOUR DAYS. NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, HEY, THIS INDUSTRY CAN GET YOU A HOME IN FOUR DAYS. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT? BUT THAT GOES TO SHOW YOU HOW QUICK THIS INDUSTRY CAN TURN A HOME AROUND RIGHT. AND SO ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE THESE THESE HOMES ARE BUILT INDOORS, YOU KNOW, GO TO CORVETTE AND SAY, HEY, I WANT EVERY PART TO BUILD A CORVETTE.

I'M GOING TO BUILD IT IN MY FRONT YARD. IT'S NOT A GREAT CAR THEN, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO GET RAINED ON. IT'S GOING TO GET MOISTURE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES. RIGHT. SO THESE HOMES, THE SUBFLOOR WILL NEVER SEE A DROP OF RAIN. RIGHT. THERE'S BENEFITS OF THESE BEING BUILT INDOORS. BUT THE OTHER BENEFIT IS THERE'S NO RAIN OUT DAYS. IF YOU'RE A CONSTRUCTION CREW YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT HEY STORM'S COMING IN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHUT DOWN FOR THE DAY OR FLOODING OR THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE CONCERNS, SO YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP A CONSISTENT LABOR FORCE. THE OTHER REASON IS, YOU KNOW, INSIDE OF THAT, THE PERSON THAT'S BUILDING THE STUD WALLS IS THE SAME PERSON THAT'S BUILDING THE STUD WALLS DAY IN.

AND DAY OUT. THAT'S YOUR STUD GUY, RIGHT? THAT'S YOUR WINDOW HEADER GUY. THIS IS YOUR TRUST GUY. YOUR SHEETROCK GUY. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CONSISTENCY DAY IN AND DAY OUT. SO YOU HAVE EFFICIENCY, YOU HAVE BUYING POWER, AND THEN YOU HAVE A LACK OF WASTE AS A SITE BUILDER, WE WOULD FILL UP A COUPLE OF DUMPSTERS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COURSE OF BUILDING A HOME AFTER 8 OR 9 MONTHS, NOT TO MENTION LIKELY MANY SITES YOU'LL GO TO, WE'LL HAVE A BURN PILE THAT YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE. RIGHT? AND SO A TON OF WASTE. WHEREAS A 2000 SQUARE FOOT MANUFACTURED HOME THAT'S BUILT INDOORS, EVERY BIT OF THE WASTE OF THAT HOME FITS INSIDE OF A 55 GALLON TRASH CAN, BECAUSE WHATEVER'S LEFT IS GOING ON THE HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE WASTE. AND SO THOSE THINGS KEEP THAT PRICE, KEEP THAT PRICE LOW.

AND SO THAT'S WHY SO MANY, CITIES, SO MANY MUNICIPALITIES ARE LOOKING AT OUR INDUSTRY, SO MANY GO THROUGH THE SAME CYCLE OF WE'VE GOT A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. YEP. HOUSING NEEDS ARE THERE, IT'S GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION. WHAT DO WE DO? AND SO THEY ALL TRY TO KIND OF REINVENT THE WHEEL OF WELL, LET'S LOOK AT SHIPPING CONTAINER HOMES. LET'S LOOK AT AT, YOU KNOW, GREENHOUSE HOMES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY ALWAYS TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW AND THEN THEY ALWAYS COME BACK TO US. RIGHT. AND THEY GO, ALL RIGHT, TELL US REALLY WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. WELL, WHAT IS WHAT IS YOUR INDUSTRY LIKE NOW? AND I THINK THE KEY THING TO TAKE AWAY IS THAT MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS NO LONGER A PRODUCT. OKAY? MANUFACTURED HOUSING WAS CONSIDERED A PRODUCT FOR YEARS. AND THE REPUTATION THAT WE HAVE, WE EARNED. I DON'T SHY AWAY FROM THAT. RIGHT. THE PERCEPTION THAT WE HAVE, WE EARN THE GOAL WAS TO BUILD IT FAST. THE GOAL WAS TO BUILD IT CHEAP. AND THE INDUSTRY DID THAT FOR YEARS. BUT WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS COME, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL HUD CODE HAS COME, THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS NOT A PRODUCT. MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS A PROCESS. OKAY THAT'S THE

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2.6 EXTERIOR WALLS, THE DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS, THE WOOD SIDING, YOU KNOW, THE PREMIUM FLOORS.

TAKING SOMEONE WHO USED TO BUILD HOUSES. IT'S AS SOLID AS YOU'LL FIND FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME.

SIX INCH WALLS, WHICH IS A BIG ADDED, PLUS LOTS OF ROOM AND LAID OUT WELL. I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE HOUSE. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I LIVE IN AN ANCIENT LITTLE CONDO AND I WOULD LOVE THIS. IT'S GOT A DEDICATED LAUNDRY ROOM. LOVE THE KITCHEN. THIS ISN'T A TRAILER, IS IT? NO, THIS IS NOT PAT PAUL'S TRAILER AT ALL. YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME.

IT'S NOT A MOBILE HOME. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU THINK OF VERY NICE. HI, GUYS. WELCOME. AND A PAYMENT ON THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY LESS THAN MOST PEOPLE PAY FOR IT. SURE. YEAH. NOT EVEN CLOSE. IT NOT ONLY IS IT AFFORDABLE, IT'S COMFORTABLE. AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME, CHANGES OF YOUR OWN IN THE DESIGN. YEAH, THIS IS 1300 SQUARE FEET. WE CAN DO 22 2400FT■!S FOR A MULTI SECTION. U GO THREE SECTIONS, YOU GO OVER 3000FT■!S. I THINK IT'S CAREFULY PLANNED, THE SPACE SEEMS REALLY WELL APPOINTED. I LIKE THE FACT IT'S GOT A 30 YEAR ROOF ON IT TOO. IT'S GOING TO LAST A LONG TIME. I LIKE THAT TOO AS WELL.

THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. YEAH. SO JUST A COUPLE HOURS INTO THE 2023 KENTUCKY LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, CITY OFFICIALS WALK THROUGH THE HOUSE AND JUST THE COMMENTS AND THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING. AND HOW AMAZED THEY ARE, AND HOW THEY'RE READY TO GO BACK TO THEIR MUNICIPALITY AND ADDRESS THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING ORDINANCES TO REFLECT THE NEW MODERN MANUFACTURED HOMES, WHATEVER THE CITY WANTS, WE NOW HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING. ONE THING THAT WE ARE FACED WITH IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES WITHIN OUR CITY. THESE ARE THE PERFECT IDEA FOR REPLACEMENT HOMES, FOR DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES. I WANT TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT OF ALL OF THESE IN DOUGLAS HILLS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SO COOL. THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS, APART. IT'S THAT KIND OF THING. EVERYBODY HAS TRUE HOME OWNERSHIP, AND THEY COULD ALL BE THERE IN A LITTLE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. IN MY CITY, I THINK IT'D BE WONDERFUL. YOU KNOW, AS A FORMER MAYOR, THAT'S ALL WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS PUTTING HEADS IN THE BEDS, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE IN THE HOMES, THE HOUSING NEED IS STILL GREAT. IT'S STILL 4 OR 5 MILLION HOUSES. WE NEED. SO WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FILL THAT NEED ON SHORT NOTICE. IF SOMEBODY NEEDED A HOUSE IN TWO WEEKS, IF WE HAD TO, WE COULD DO IT. THEY PUT THIS THING UP AT 8:00 YESTERDAY MORNING OR. YEAH, IT WAS 9:00 TONIGHT AT 10:00 THIS MORNING. THAT'S WHAT WE GRABBED. LIKE, HOW DID THEY DO THIS? IT'S BEAUTIFUL. ABSOLUTELY WELL DONE. AND SO AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS WOULD NOT HAVE ANSWERED THE PHONE. NOT THAT LONG AGO, AND SO COSMETIC IS CERTAINLY A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT SAFETY IS ALSO A KEY COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER ONE STATE AND HAS BEEN FOR A

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YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS, BY THE WAY, COUNCILWOMAN DONNA PURVIS JOINED US EARLY ON, IN THE PRESENTATION. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, A COUPLE THINGS. I WANT TO SAY. ONE QUICK THING. YOU MENTIONED VERSATILITY. THESE MANUFACTURED HOMES GO FROM BEING AN ADU, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ALL THE WAY UP TO IN AT THE BARCLAYS CENTER IN IN BROOKLYN. THERE'S A 37 STORY, HIGH RISE. THAT'S THAT'S A MANUFACTURED MODULAR HOUSING UNIT. AND IN, IN, IN A IN A SUBURB OF LONDON, THERE'S A 52 STORY BUILDING. SO THERE'S A LOT AND THAT'S NOT TYPICAL, BUT VERSATILITY ALL THE WAY FROM ADU TO THAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK YOU IS WHAT? AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO METRO LOUISVILLE, BUT WHAT GENERALLY HAVE CITIES NEEDED TO DO WITH THEIR CODES AND ORDINANCES AND ZONING LAWS AND THAT SORT OF THING IN ORDER TO BETTER ACCOMMODATE YOU GUYS? WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN THE TYPICAL PROCESS? YEAH, YOU KNOW, I THINK LOUISVILLE AND CERTAINLY I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEIR PERSPECTIVE OF IT AS WELL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, JOE AND RACHEL ARE COMING UP NEXT, BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, SO MANY JUST HAD COMPLETELY RULED IT OUT . AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE SAID WE'VE RULED IT OUT, IN OUR ORDINANCES IN SUCH BLATANT TERMS, BUT WHAT THEY'LL SAY IS, WELL, YOU CAN BRING A MANUFACTURED HOME IN IF YOU'VE GOT TEN ACRES. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO SAY NO MANUFACTURED HOUSING. RIGHT, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE KIND OF BEEN A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE CURVE AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING FACTORY BUILT HOUSING INSIDE OF LOUISVILLE. I THINK THE PROCESS HAS NEEDED TO IMPROVED, IMPROVE. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO INFILL LOTS, THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES ON, WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF INFILL LOTS, FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING. I THINK THE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES THAT ARE OUT THERE, AT THIS POINT GO A LONG WAY TO ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEEDED. OKAY. GREAT THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR LOGAN? YEAH OH, YES. THANK YOU. I SHOULD DO THAT, SHOULDN'T I? YES. WOW. THERE IS A GOOD LIST HERE, COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. HOW MANY? LET'S SEE. HOLD ON. OH. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE HOMES WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THERE ARE A LOT OF, PARKS AND COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, MOST ARE SOLD KIND OF NOT DIRECTLY IN, YOU KNOW, LOUISVILLE METRO THERE, THERE THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF PARKS AND COMMUNITY BUSINESS, SOME IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY

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ABSOLUTELY. THEY'RE SIT ON THE SAME CONCRETE THAT, IS REQUIRED, UNDER A SITE BUILT HOME THAT GOES DOWN TO THE SAME FROST STEP THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. AND WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN FOR THESE HOMES, SAME AS A SITE BUILT IF YOU IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR SITE BUILT, THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS HOME THE SAME WAY. IT'S IT AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME INPUTS. SO SAME SHINGLES, SAME WINDOWS, SAME SIDING. IF THE INDIVIDUAL IS WILLING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR HOME, THE HOME WILL LAST THEM AT THE SAME RATE OF THAT OF A OF A SITE BUILT. SO SINCE THERE ARE A LITTLE MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN SITE BUILT HOMES, ARE THEY SOLD AT A AT A MORE AFFORDABLE PRICE THANITE BUILT HOME? ABSOLUTELY. YES. THAT THAT GOES BACK TO THAT, THAT AVERAGE THAT WE DISCUSSED, LET ME PULL IT BACK UP HERE. THAT WAS SURVEY THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR THAT LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE COST OF A MANUFACTURED HOME. SINGLE SECTION WAS 68, $69,000. MULTI SECTION WAS $108,000, COMPARED TO 351,000 FOR A SITE BUILT HOME. SO I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN, SOME OF SOME OF, IN SOME OF THE HOUSING MAGAZINES. I'VE SEEN THEM ADVERTISED WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT THESE LIKE DOUBLE LOT SHEDS, LIKE FROM HOME DEPOT AND MADE THEM OUT OF HOUSING, IS THAT LEGAL? YEAH. SO WE HAVE SOME GOOD RELATIONSHIPS AND GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH, DPC AT THE STATE WITH THE, THE HOUSING INSPECTION, GROUP THERE AND THAT'S ONE OF THEIR MAIN CONCERNS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUILD A SHED, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING IT FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE IN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR FLOOR JOIST, YOUR ANCHORS, YOUR SUBFLOOR IS NOT MEANT TO MEET A RESIDENTIAL STANDARD, A RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT, AND, AND WE DO SEE THAT WE SEE THAT ALL OVER THE STATE, WHERE THESE, THESE PODS ARE BEING PURCHASED AND, AND IN SOME CASES EVEN ADVERTISED AS, AS HOME READY. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY, THEY BUILT A SHED. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PLUMMET, ADD WIRING AND SHEETROCK IT, AND THEN IT'S READY TO BE MOVED IN. RIGHT SO, IT FROM I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE I'M NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIRS. BUT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, IT IS A PRIMARY CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT MANY ORDINANCES HAVE TO ADDRESS, EVEN AS IT RELATES TO ADUS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ADUS ARE INDUSTRY CERTAINLY MAKES THEM, AND, AND HAS SOLUTIONS FOR THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO ASK YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, WHAT CODE ARE THEY GOING TO BE BUILT TO? AND IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUILT TO A CODE, THEY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT BE DWELLINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH. AND YOU ALLUDED TO THE INDUSTRY EARNING PARTS OF ITS REPUTATION, AT LEAST HISTORICALLY. I THINK SOME OF THESE HOMES USED TO BE

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AND AFFORDABILITY. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. AND BEFORE WE STARTED THIS MEETING, SOME OF US HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S AFFORDABLE OR NOT IT FOR THE ONE THAT YOU TOOK TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, WHAT IS A COST FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UNDERSTANDING THAT LAND IS ONE THING, AND HAVING THE LAND TO PUT THAT HOME ON. BUT WHAT A YOU KNOW WHAT? TYPICALLY BEYOND THE LAND IS THE COST FOR IT. SURE. THAT THAT HOME SPECIFICALLY, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT JUST SO YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE THAT HOME SPECIFICALLY. THEY PRICED OUT, OF COURSE, INSIDE WAS ALL SHEETROCK, YOU KNOW, WALLS, YOU KNOW, TUBA SIX EXTERIOR. SO THERE WERE A LOT OF UPGRADES, YOU KNOW, ON THIS HOME, FROM A COSMETIC PERSPECTIVE, AND THEY PRICED THIS OUT AND I'LL BE WITHIN A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY, FIGURED THE SETUP, THE HVAC, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE HOOKUPS, EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO BE AROUND 138, 140,000. COUNCILMAN SAM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY, BUT, HOW MANY UNITS, MULTIFAMILY UNITS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE, SO IN, IN THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, NOT NOT MANY, BUT THAT IS GOING TO RAPIDLY CHANGE AS MY US COMES ON BOARD. THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY CHOSE, LOUISVILLE WAS BECAUSE OF THE NEED HERE AND THEIR ABILITY TO MEET THAT NEED, SO FROM FROM ME AGAIN, WHICH BUILDS MODULAR. THAT'S GOING TO COME ON BOARD QUICK, THEY'RE NOT A NEW COMPANY , THEY'RE AN ESTABLISHED COMPANY THAT, ORIGINALLY WAS BASED IN, IN EUROPE. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE 30 SOME ODD STORY IN, IN BROOKLYN. THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, WERE A BIG PART OF THAT, SO NOT A NEW COMPANY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING ON BOARD. SO MODULAR. YOU'VE GOT COMING ON STRONG. AND THEN ALSO RECENTLY JUST APPROVED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR IS A MULTIFAMILY HUD CODE, MAN, YOU FACTORED HOME, WHERE YOU COULD DO A DUPLEX OR EVEN A QUAD PLEX, SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NEW. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY BEING, YOU KNOW, AN INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AND THINGS ARE HAVE RAPIDLY CHANGED JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. THEY'VE EVEN CHANGED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. SO, I'M ONE OF THE THINGS TOO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THE WORKFORCE FOR INSTALLERS WHERE WE WHERE ARE WE RECRUITING THEM FROM? ARE WE IN THE SCHOOLS? ARE WE WORKING TO GET THEM QUALIFIED ? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN EVERYWHERE. I READ A STUDY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT SAID, FOR EVERY, EVERY FIVE TRADESPEOPLE THAT THAT LEAVE THEIR INDUSTRY NOT JUST MANUFACTURED HOUSING, BUT ANY TRADESPERSON THAT LEAVES YOU HAVE ONE TO COME BACK AND REPLACE THEM. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S EVERYONE. AND SO WE DO HAVE WORKFORCE INITIATIVES. I SERVE ON A BOARD FOR AN ORGANIZATION CALLED K FOR C, WHICH, WE DO A CAREER FAIR, IN SHELBYVILLE EVERY YEAR AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT'S NOT JUST UP HERE. TAKE THIS BROCHURE AND LEARN ABOUT MY INDUSTRY. IT'S.

HEY GET IN THIS BACKHOE AND PICK UP THIS BEACH BALL. YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE WE'RE IN FRONT OF STUDENTS. CERTAINLY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CAREER CENTERS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, FORT KNOX, FORT CAMPBELL HERE IN KENTUCKY, FOR SOLDIERS THAT ARE OUT PROCESSING, INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS TO, TO GIVE THEM, AVENUES THAT THEY CAN GET PLUGGED IN, AND, AND GO THROUGH, REHABILITATE. BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO SACRIFICE THE QUALITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S COMING IN. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TESTING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXPANDED SOME OF THEIR OPTIONS OF, OF BECOMING QUALIFIED TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRY THAT'S GATEKEEPING. YOU KNOW, BEFORE, IF YOU WANTED TO BECOME A CERTIFIED INSTALLER, YOU HAD TO WORK UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF ANOTHER CERTIFIED INSTALLER TO

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THEY'RE ON WEBEX, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT LINK POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THAT LINK. AT WHAT TIME WILL IT. IT'S AT 10 A.M. ON JUNE 12TH. AND IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YES. OKAY SO WHAT YOU JUST SHARED WITH US WILL, WILL THAT INFORMATION BE RESHARED AGAIN? YES. THIS INFORMATION PLUS PROBABLY MORE WILL BE RESHARED, I UNDERSTOOD THAT LOGAN WAS GOING TO GIVE HIS GREAT PRESENTATION BEFOREHAND, SO I DIDN'T INCLUDE SOME OF THAT GENERAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION. SO WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THIS PRESENTATION THAT I'VE GOT RIGHT HERE. PLUS IT'LL HAVE SOME MORE IN THE BEGINNING ABOUT THE GENERAL PROCESS VERSUS PRODUCT.

THE INDUSTRY HAS GONE A LOT FURTHER. WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT STUFF IN THERE TOO. AND BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LOTS IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO INVITE DEVELOPERS, TO LEARN ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. SO YOU MAY KNOW, WILL THIS INFORMATION BE SHARED AT THIS NEXT MEETING? HOW TO BECOME, CERTIFIED TO INSTALL THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES? WILL THAT BE SHARED AT THIS TIME OR. NO, WHAT WE'RE DOING, AT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING, SINCE IT'S JUST A PLANNING COMMITTEE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THAT AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT I'M VERY SURE THAT LOGAN HAS RESOURCES, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE, SOME, LIKE, CONFERENCES AND UPCOMING, LIKE, PUBLIC OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU WANTED TO CONNECT WITH LOGAN AFTERWARDS, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. SO WHERE CAN A DEVELOPER GO AND LEARN HOW TO BECOME A GO TO YOU? YEAH, GO TO HIM. GIVE ME A CARD. ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH COUNCILWOMAN RUBY. THANK YOU. I'VE JUST GOT ONE QUICK

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A FLAT ROOF ON A FLAT ROOF CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE RIGHT ON A FLAT ROOF WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HAVE MEMBRANE ROOFS ALL THE TIME, BUT WE JUST COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO BUILD IN THAT FLEXIBILITY TO THE STANDARD WITHOUT LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FOR THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT, SO WE JUST THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN VARY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SURE. THANK YOU. QUICKLY. COUNCILMAN SAM WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY OF THESE ARE ALREADY IN OPERATION IN PLACE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. AND ALSO INCLUDE WHAT DISTRICTS YOU HAVE AMEND JUST I KNOW WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM IN EVERY DISTRICT. I'M SAYING THAT, BUT THAT. BUT YEAH, IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, INCLUDE IN THAT. I KNOW LOGAN SPOKE ABOUT GETTING IT JUST SO THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN TRY OUR BEST. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE DISTRICT LEVEL, BUT WE'LL TRY. JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP FOR ME, YOU LAID OUT THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS KIND OF A SCHEDULE. THIS SEEMS LIKE A CHANGE. THAT IS, THAT SHOULD NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE HOUSE BILL 388. YES. THIS IS STUFF THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE THROUGH THIS YEAR IF WE GET IT PREPARED AND GET IT VOTED ON AND THAT SORT OF THING. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S TRAVIS ISN'T HERE TODAY, BUT WE DID CONFIRM, WITH WITH TRAVIS AND LAURA WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THIS IS UNDER THEIR INTERPRETATION, NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY, THE RESTRICTIONS IN HOUSE BILL 388. GREAT OKAY, WE RAN OVER A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE ALWAYS DO. I GOT TO GET. WELL I THINK IT'S IN A WAY IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERESTING TOPIC. BUT THANKS EVERYONE. WE WILL MEET AGAIN IN, NEXT TIME, LOOKS LIKE JUNE 13TH WILL BE OUR NEXT MEETING WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS

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