May 29, 2024 Budget Hearings FY 2024-2025

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YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE? WELL, I'LL BEGIN BY SAYING HOME IS JEFFERSON COUNTY FOR US. IT'S THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO YOU KNOW, OUR OUR CERTIFICATE OF NEED AND OUR LICENSE IS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO JUST BY MOVING THAT AMBULANCE, THAT PRIMARY IS, IS, ASSIGNED TO FAIRDALE, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY STAY IN FAIRDALE, WOULD JUST MOVE IT TO WE WOULD JUST MOVE IT AND REALLOCATE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE, IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW THAT, LIKE I SAID, WHEN THE WHEN THE SHIFT COMES ON, A TIME OUT THERE, BUT THEY MAY RESPOND IN THE OKOLONA, THEY MAY RESPOND IN THE PLEASURE RIDGE PARK, DEPENDING ON THE NEEDS OF THE OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF. AND WHAT WAS THEIR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER? HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE ON THE STREET AT ANY ONE TIME, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE 20 TRUCKS ON THE STREET A DAY, BUT AGAIN, WITH VACANCIES, WE DON'T WE DON'T WE'RE NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT ALL THE TIME. AND ONE OF THOSE 20 IS IN FAIRDALE. IT IS. THAT'S THE TIME OR AT ALL TIMES. YES. UNLESS IT'S EITHER COMING BACK AND FORTH FROM A HOSPITAL OR AGAIN RESPONDING BECAUSE, OUR GOAL IS TO, SEND THE CLOSEST AMBULANCE NO MATTER WHAT AGENCY IT IS. SO IF IT'S AGAIN, IF IT'S ASSIGNED TO FAIRDALE AND IT'S, IF IT'S LOCATED AT THE, AT THE FIREHOUSE ON MITCHELL HILL, THEN A PLEASURE RIDGE PARK RUN MAY BE WHERE THEY'RE THE CLOSEST RESPONDERS, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM OVER THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR , CAN I ASK THE MEDICAID QUESTION? PLEASE? NO, NO, I'M GOING TO LOVE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO ASK. I'M GOING TO ASK SOMETHING ELSE. SO YOU CAN ASK THE MEDICAID QUESTION. SO, SO, I DID WANT TO ASK, ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED IN HOUSE BILL 314. CAN YOU I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO LINE BY LINE, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT, IF ANY, IMPACTS YOU SEE IN THIS BUDGET? AND OPERATIONS THIS YEAR, WHAT, IF ANY, CHANGES? YOU MIGHT ANTICIPATE FOR THE FOLLOW ON FOR THE NEXT BUDGET, AND OR OPERATIONS. ARE YOU ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT, THE BILLING OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT WHEN THE SUBURBAN COMES IN? CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED,

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AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE CHIEFS AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME STUFF. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING THAT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO KEEP THE AMBULANCES IN SERVICE.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN THE SYSTEM GETS BUSY, NO MATTER WHERE THE SYSTEM IS BUSY AT, WE START TO SEE AMBULANCES GO OUT OF SERVICE. AND TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE NOT ONLY FROM LOUISVILLE METRO EMS, BUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY, SO THAT ALL THE TAXPAYERS, NO MATTER WHO YOU'RE PAYING FOR, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN AMBULANCE WHEN YOU CALL FOR AN AMBULANCE AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CLOSEST ONE BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE CALLED AN AMBULANCE FOR MYSELF AND I DIDN'T CARE WHAT THE SIDE OF THAT AMBULANCE SAID WHEN IT SHOWED UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE IMPACTS, I'M MY HOPE. I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE RESPONSE OR THE IMPACTS WITH THE RESPONSE DOESN'T TAKE PLACE. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M RECAPPING, AND I'M SURE ANGIE WILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, BUT SANS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OPERATING WISE, NO, IT DOES NOT AFFECT US. THANK YOU. YES, ANGIE, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON FINANCIAL? SURE. ANGELA DUNN, CFO AND JUST A BRIEF COMMENT. THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, GOES INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST, 2025. SO THAT'S FY 26. SO THERE IS NO IMPACT IN THIS BUDGET, BUT SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN OWENS, THAT FOLLOW UP. BUT SO I GUESS WHEN IT DOES COME INTO EFFECT, DIRECTOR MAIMAN WAS SAYING IT WON'T COME OUT OF THEIR BUDGET. CAN YOU KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN IS TO WHERE WHERE, WHERE IN THE BUDGET WILL THAT BE LOCATED GOING FORWARD? WE WOULD SEE IT AS A REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL REVENUES ON OUR GENERAL FUND TABLE, WHERE WE BREAK OUT THE REVENUE. COUNCILMAN PARKER HAS JOINED US. AS HAS, COUNCILMAN SCOTT READ, COUNCILWOMAN SHAMIKA PARISH.

RIGHT. THOSE THREE HAVE JOINED US, VIRTUALLY. WE'VE ALSO BEEN JOINED IN CHAMBERS BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL, COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. YES THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MOORMAN. THANK YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME, YES. OH, YES, MA'AM . YOU STATED PREVIOUSLY YOU SAID, A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR RUNS ARE CARDIAC RUNS AND, THERE WAS AN APPROPRIATION, I THINK, OF A 1.5 MILLION FOR A CARDIAC MONITORING. DEFIBRILLATION PROJECT. AND NONE OF THAT MONEY, HAS BEEN SPENT YET. AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER 600 AND, 80 4K FOR FIRST AID AND CPR, AND THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT YET, SO CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY SO JUST GIVE US A FEW MORE, A FEW MORE DAYS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO START TO SEE THAT DWINDLE DOWN. SO WHAT WE WERE WAITING ON WAS THE NEW CARDIAC MONITORS FROM OUR CURRENT VENDOR JUST CAME OUT, THIS MONTH, ACTUALLY. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PURCHASE ANYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY OUTDATED ALREADY, BUT WAS GOING TO BE OLDER. SO WE WAITED ON THE NEWER MODELS. AND ONE OF THE OTHER EXCITING THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT IS OUR CURRENT VENDOR HAS OFFERED, A, A TEN YEAR LEASE PROGRAM, WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST YEAR OF THE LEASE. AND WE'RE NOT ONLY GOING TO GET NEW CARDIAC MONITORS, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET NEW LUCAS DEVICES, WHICH ARE THE, THE COMPRESSION AUTOMATIC COMPRESSION DEVICES, WHICH WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO GET. AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET ENOUGH, AUTOMATIC, AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS, FOR ALL THE CITY BUILDINGS AS WELL, SO THAT WE'LL ALL BE, INTERCONNECTED. AND IT'LL ALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER. SO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S COMING VERY, VERY SHORTLY.

WE JUST WANTED TO WAIT ON THE NEWEST CARDIAC MONITORS TO COME OUT, WHICH DID COME OUT THIS MONTH. SO, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS WITH THIS CURRENT VENDOR THAT WE'VE GOT, WITH GETTING NEW CARDIAC MONITORS, NEW LUCAS DEVICES AND AEDS AS WELL FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M AN OLD, ICU NURSE, SO, RETIRED. BUT THAT WAS. THAT'S INTERESTING AND GOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU ALWAYS GIVE GOOD QUESTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STUFF. ANY OTHERS? COUNCILMAN WEBER, GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI

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SO WE'RE VERY COMPARABLE WITH THAT. AND WE DO GET SOME MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT, FROM THE STATE, FROM THE RUNS THAT WE DO, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BUILD FROM. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE, I MEAN, SOME OF THE PRESUMABLY SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRANSPORTED ARE NOT JUST MEDICAID, BUT OTHER INSURANCE COMPANIES. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF OUR RUNS THAT WERE MADE THAT WERE WERE LISTED AS PRIVATE PAY, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE EFFORTS TO, TO IMPROVE THAT RATE? AND ACTUALLY, THAT WOULD BE MORE OMB BECAUSE THE BILLING ACTUALLY FALLS UNDERNEATH THEM. IT DOESN'T FALL UNDERNEATH THE EMS. CAN I ASK YOU TO REPEAT THE QUESTION ON THE BILLING RATES? WE I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC BILLING RATES IN FRONT OF ME. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME. IT'D BE GREAT. YOU GUYS GAVE US A REPORT LAST JULY THAT HAD THE RATES, AND WE COULD JUST UPDATE THAT. THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AT A COMBINE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION OR IT IS A QUESTION, BUT IT'S A CLARIFICATION, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT FAIRDALE DOESN'T HAVE AN AMBULANCE AND SO THAT URBAN SO THAT EMA IS PUTTING AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE. THE FACT THAT FAIRDALE DOESN'T HAVE AN AMBULANCE IS BECAUSE FAIRDALE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT CHOSEN TO GO TO THE STATE AND GET A CERTIFICATE OF NEED, ARE THE RESIDENTS IN FAIRDALE PAYING TAXES TO COVER WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY WILL GET AMBULANCE SERVICE AS FAR AS PAY THEIR TAXES TO US? YES, IT'S ALL BUILT INTO THE, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT TAXES. THAT'S THAT'S SENT IN. SO SO FOLKS IN FAIRDALE ARE PAYING TAXES TO GET AN AMBULANCE SERVICE. THEY JUST HAVEN'T HAD THEIR TAXES RAISED THROUGH THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PUT AN EXTRA AMBULANCE, AMBULANCE ON THROUGH THE OTHER OR THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LIKE THE OTHER, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING POINT. RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE LIVING IN, SAY, CRESCENT HILL OR THE HIGHLANDS OR ANYWHERE IN THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT, YOU'RE PAYING THE SAME TAX RATE THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TAXES THAT GOES TO AMBULANCE SERVICE IS THE SAME AS THE PERCENTAGE OF MY TAXES THAT GOES TO AMBULANCE SERVICE. I LIVE IN FOUR SEASONS, WHICH IS IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, SO I'M PAYING METRO TAXES TO COVER THE COST OF AMBULANCE SERVICE, AS IS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN, SAY, CRESCENT HILL, AS IS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN, SAY, FAIRDALE. THE DIFFERENCE IS BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN JEFFERSON TOWN'S FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, I'M PAYING AN ADDITIONAL TAX SO THAT JEFFERSON TOWN CAN HAVE AN AMBULANCE. CRESCENT HILL DOESN'T PAY THAT ADDITIONAL TAX. FAIRDALE DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL TAX. SO THE FACT THAT AN EMA AMBULANCE IS IN FAIRDALE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN AN EMA AMBULANCE IN CRESCENT HILL OR THE HIGHLANDS, OR ANY OTHER PART OF THE URBAN SERVICE DISTRICT, OR FOR THAT MATTER, ANY OTHER PART OF THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY THAT DON'T HAVE A FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT THAT CHARGES EXTRA FOR AMBULANCE SERVICE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. YOU KNOW, I THINK FOLKS TEND TO THINK THAT SOMEHOW THE METRO AMBULANCE SERVICE IS GOING INTO PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHO'S ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THESE AMBULANCES AS WELL. AND WE ACTUALLY RESPONDED, OVER 14,000 TIMES INTO THE SUBURBAN AREA, NOT JUST FAIRDALE, BUT ALL THE SUBURBAN AREA LAST YEAR. BUT IF WE'RE STILL GOING BUT IF THE SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENTS DECIDED NOT TO HAVE AMBULANCE SERVICE, THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S THEY TOOK THAT ON BECAUSE THEY WANTED AND WERE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT AND FOUND AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THEIR TAXES. ABSOLUTELY. LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES. RIGHT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, JOHN Q PUBLIC IS STILL PAYING FOR THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND JOHN Q PUBLIC, WHO HAPPENS TO LIVE IN ONE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, IS PAYING MORE FOR THAN JOHN Q PUBLIC, WHO LIVES IN ANOTHER. AND SO IF YOU'RE LIVING IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY EXTRA TAXES, CLEARLY YOU WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE FOLKS

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BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE WE HAVE TO DO THINGS TO QUALIFY FOR THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAINING HOURS. WE HAVE TO HAVE DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EXERCISES. WE HAVE TO TURN IN ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTATION THROUGH THE YEAR TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THAT. AND THEN THERE'S EXTRA WHEN THEY HAVE EXTRA MONEY, THEY PUT OUT A SPECIAL PROJECTS GRANT AND WE CAN APPLY FOR THAT. SO WE JUST PUT IN FOR SOME NEW EQUIPMENT IN THIS UPCOMING YEAR'S FOR THAT PROJECT GRANT.

AND THAT'S A 50 5050 MATCH ON THAT. OKAY, GOOD. SO IT HELPS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRAINED AT THE. THAT'S CORRECT. HIGHEST LEVELS. GREAT. YES. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. THANK YOU. HELLO SORRY, I'M A BIT DISCOMBOBULATED, BUT I DIDN'T GIVE RCS THEIR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART GRADE, AND I GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS GIVING YOU ALL YOURS, I WOULD SAY B PLUS, I THINK REALLY GREAT JOB, THE STRUCTURE IS GREAT. I LOVE THE NAMES. ALSO, YOU INCLUDED THE JOB CODES, WHICH WAS INTERESTING, HOWEVER, I THINK THE STRUCTURE IS A TAD CONFUSING, ALTHOUGH I PROBABLY JUST DISAGREE WITH IT A LITTLE AT AND, I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE MORE REPRESENTATION OF ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYEES. FOR EXAMPLE, TO OUTLINE JUST WITH A NUMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE WORKING IN YOUR EMERGENCY COMM, COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, AS PERSONNEL. OKAY. THAT'S JUST MY FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. HOW MANY EVENTS WERE HANDLED, LAST YEAR BY THE, OFFICE OF SPECIAL EVENTS OR, SPECIAL EVENTS? YES, MA'AM.

SO WE HAD, TOTAL OF 392, IN THIS, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR WE'RE AT TO DATE. SO FROM JULY, JULY 1ST, LAST YEAR UNTIL CURRENTLY, WE'VE HAD 392, SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE'VE PERMITTED. AND WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME. YEAH, I WILL GET PERFECTLY, PERFECTLY FINE, IT'S PRETTY COMPARABLE, THOUGH. IT'S VERY COMPARABLE. IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, AND THEN METRO EMS, THERE IS A 21.4% TURNOVER RATE AT LOUISVILLE METRO'S IS ONLY ABOUT 17.59. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHY THAT TURNOVER RATE IS SO HIGH AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO ADDRESS IT? SO IT IS HIGH AND IT'S BECAUSE OF A LOT OF CLOSER AGENCIES, HAVE A LOT HIGHER PAY. AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE PASSED OUR CONTRACT YESTERDAY. SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE MUCH LOWER MOVING FORWARD. WE HOPE TO ATTRACT NOT ONLY NEWER PEOPLE, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED FOR US AND LEFT FOR OTHER AGENCIES TO COME BACK. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT AND YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT HERE AT THE COUNCIL IN JUST THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND YOUR NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS. I'VE BEEN WAITING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I'M LOOKING AT THE FY 23, FUNDING AND EXPENDITURES IS PAGE 70 OF THE BUDGET BOOK. SO FOR THE ORIGINAL BUDGET 2020, 23, 24, IT WAS 52,074,000. AND THAT WAS YOUR FUNDING AND YOUR EXPENDITURES, 2223 I'M SORRY.

2324 REVISED 5274 5274. THE ONLY NUMBERS THAT ARE DIFFERENT ON THE PAGE, AND I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT, YOUR TOTAL FUNDING IN 2022, 2023 WAS 58,000,006, 38, $100.

AND YOUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES WAS $52,590, 590,000 AND $400. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT

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I'M CURIOUS ABOUT AND I'M HOPING THIS IS A REAL QUICK UPDATE, BUT WE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT IN PAST YEARS, THE COVERAGE OF OUR EMERGENCY SIRENS, AND WE'VE BEEN ADDING OCCASIONALLY ADDING NEW SIRENS. WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS? ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT COVERAGE AND I KNOW SUFFICIENT AND 100% AREN'T THE SAME THING, SO I'M CURIOUS, LIKE, WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS? SO WE'RE ABOUT 4% SHY OF BEING 100% IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. AND IT'S IN OUR EXTREME RURAL AREAS THAT WE, THAT, THAT 4% COVERS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS WE'VE GOT SIREN THAT WERE PUT IN IN THE 1970S, THAT NEED EITHER SERIOUS UPDATING OR COMPLETE REPLACEMENT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING AFTER NEXT. OKAY.

AND WILL THAT HAVE AN IMPACT IN THIS BUDGET, WE WILL BE USING SOME OF IT TO TRY TO RETROFIT SOME OF THE CURRENT SIRENS THAT WE'VE GOT. OKAY. AND I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE A LIST OF WHERE THOSE MOST ANTIQUATED SIRENS ARE. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A I'M CHECKING THE QUEUE IN CASE IF YOU GUYS IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS I DON'T MEAN TO MONOPOLIZE, THERE'S A ONE QUESTION. I'M SORRY, WAS THAT COUNCILWOMAN RIGHT? YES. OKAY, OKAY, I'LL COME BACK TO MINE. COUNCILWOMAN WRIGHT, YOU GO AHEAD, MINE WAS JUST ABOUT, I SEE THAT, AND YOU'VE GIVEN SOME EXPLANATION, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF LINE ITEMS WHERE THE AMOUNT BEING SPENT IS OVER NINE MONTHS HAS REDUCED. BUT I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'LL BE SOME CHANGES.

MY QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING YOUR EQUITY REPORT AND YOU HAVE ABOUT IS IT 20,000 ALLOTTED FOR RECRUITMENT? IS THAT ENOUGH OR WHAT? WHAT WOULD $20,000 DO? IS THAT FOR A SYSTEM OR. NO, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY FOR ADVERTISEMENT, WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS. YES, WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO GET IN WITH, JC PS WE'VE ALSO DONE SOMETHING NEW THAT, WE JUST STARTED, WE PARTNERED WITH KROGER'S, SO WE'VE, EVERY THE FIRST TUESDAY OR I'M SORRY, THE FIRST SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH WE'RE GOING TO DIFFERENT KROGER'S THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE JEFFERSON COUNTY, TO TRY TO DO SOME RECRUITMENT. SO THAT'S A BIG PUSH THAT WE JUST STARTED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

SO, WE'RE LETTING THESE COUNCIL MEMBER KNOW WHEN WE'RE IN YOUR DISTRICT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US OR COME HANG OUT OR SAY HI, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

DEFINITELY WANT TO DO THAT. ARE YOU, ARE YOU HAVING, A NEED FOR MORE DIVERSITY IN THE HIRING AS FAR AS WOMEN OR BIPOC PEOPLE, MINORITIES? WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE DO, TARGET MINORITY POPULATIONS TO GET, TO GET PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. BUT I REALLY, TRULY THINK THAT, THE PASSING OF THE CONTRACTS REALLY GOING TO HELP US, IN SEVERAL WAYS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. THERE IS, ITEM H IN THE EXECUTIVE BUDGET, SAYS ON PAGE FOUR THAT YOUR BUDGET INCLUDES 25, SORRY, $250,000 TO ADDRESS THE BACKLOG OF LMPD VEHICLE INSTALLATIONS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? AND CAN YOU ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE INCLUDING HOW THAT RELATES TO THE $3.7 MILLION THAT,

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SINCE I GUESS BY WHAT YOU SAID IN THEORY, THE $3.7 MILLION IN NEW VEHICLES THAT THE POLICE WILL BE GETTING, SINCE THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE COMING ACROSS YOUR SHOPS. RIGHT. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT LIKE A PROJECTED, A PROJECTED ISSUE LIKE THAT IS WE CAN PREORDER LIGHTS AND RADIOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE SO LONG TO GET IN. SO IF THEY DON'T START PURCHASING UNTIL JULY, WE CAN START ORDERING SOME OF THAT STUFF, FROM OUR VENDOR. NOW, WE DON'T JUST DO LMPD AS WELL. WE DO, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WE DO LIGHTS AND SIRENS AND RADIOS FOR, SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS, OR THE COUNTY AS WELL AS IN METRO LOUISVILLE. AND SO DO YOU KNOW OF THAT 3.7 MILLION, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY VEHICLES THAT'S ESTIMATED TO GET THAT YOU'RE PRE-ORDERING THAT I'M NOT SURE. OKAY THANK YOU I APOLOGIZE, BUT I IT'S OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION FOR FLEET AND FACILITIES. OKAY OKAY, A COUPLE MORE, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS WHERE, COMPUTER HARDWARE LEASES, RENT LINES AND BUILDINGS, EXTERNAL, DATA COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS FOR FIRST AID AND CPR, AND NOTHING HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE FIRST NINE MONTHS OF THE YEAR. SO THAT'S BECAUSE, A LOT OF A LOT OF TIMES IN THIS TIME OF YEAR, LIKE I SAID, THE NEW THINGS COME OUT IN MAY OR JUNE. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE START TO COME DOWN, IN THE NEXT MONTH. NOW. OKAY SO YOU'LL START DRAWING DOWN ON THOSE. YES, I ALSO NOTICED THAT YOU YOU'VE CREATED A MISCELLANEOUS LINE AND PUT OVER $1 MILLION IN IT, AND THEN WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL LINE ITEMS THAT ARE 10,000 OR LESS AND EVEN SOME THAT HAVE ONLY $1,000 IN THE, IN THE, IN THE LINE ITEM. I'M WONDERING IF IN THAT MILLION DOLLARS, THERE MIGHT NOT BE SOME, SOME MORE TRANSPARENT, SOME LEVEL OF SOME GREATER LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY. THERE RIGHT. THAT'S THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. SO I'LL GET IN. WE'LL GET INTO THAT AND GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE, THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH YOU HAVE EXPENDED, LIKE YOUR OFFICE SUPPLIES, YOU HAD 27,000 AND ONLY 19,500 SPENT ON IT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE ABOUT 100,000 TOO MUCH IN YOUR BUDGET FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES. IS THAT IS IT JUST HARD TO DO IT JUST RIGHT? OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, APPLEGATE, THE APPLEGATE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED OUT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, IT WAS A SIX MONTH PROJECT. THE STORMS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT POP UP. SO YOU JUST NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IN. DOES THAT FLUCTUATE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY YEAR TO YEAR? YES. SO THIS ISN'T THIS YEAR IS NOT AN ANOMALY THEN. OKAY, AND THEN, YOUR RADIO COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT, 956,500 HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE FIRST NINE MONTHS, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS? SO THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE YEARS IN THE PAST AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT'S OKAY . GOOD. THANKS. THAT WAS ONE MORE. WHERE WAS IT? HERE, THERE'S 1.5 MILLION IN PROJECT TEN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

REBUILD IT'S PROPOSED IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, DOES THE PROJECT INCLUDE ANY OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT YOU LISTED PREVIOUSLY? NO, IT'S SOLELY FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. AND WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE? SO, ALL THE TECHNOLOGY, THAT'S IN THERE IS GOING TO COME DOWN AND IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY, PUT BACK UP, IF YOU'VE I MEAN, MOST OF

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THAT WAS. THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MARTIN? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. JUST A COMMENT. IF I COULD SPEAK, COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, I WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY RARE THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THAT'S PROBABLY. THAT'S BECAUSE I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OVER THERE, AND NOT MANY DEPARTMENTS DO THAT, YOUR TRANSPARENCY, EACH QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED TO YOU, THANK YOU, ANSWERED THEM, THE BEST YOU COULD WITH THE BEST TRANSPARENCY, AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW. AND IT'S I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, WE'RE FINISHED A FEW MINUTES EARLY.

SO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, FIRE IS UP NEXT. I SEE THAT THE CHIEF IS IN THE IN THE SPACE, IT'S 537. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START AT SIX. AS LONG AS FIRE DOESN'T MATTER, WE'LL START ABOUT 15 MINUTES EARLY. THAT GIVES US ABOUT A SIX MINUTE BREAK. SO IF WE COULD PLEASE BE BACK IN OUR PLACES AT 545. AM I DOING THE MATH WRONG? SIX. EIGHT. HEY, TAKE A BREAK.

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THERE IS A FINANCIAL SYSTEM CONVERSION ISSUE MAKING COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE PROJECTED FY 25 AND FY 2324, BUDGETS UNRELIABLE. SO DO WE NEED TO READ THE. LOUISVILLE

[ ID 24-0284     Louisville Division of Fire]

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OKAY, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI, I'M SORRY. I WASN'T EXPECTING TO BE DONE SO QUICKLY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, CHIEF, I WANT TO FOCUS ON PERSONNEL, AND THEN MAYBE YOUR OVERALL BUDGET. AND ONE QUICK THING AT THE END. SO, I THINK SO. FIRST OF ALL, HOW MANY RECRUIT CLASSES DO YOU HAVE LAST YEAR OR IN THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN? SO THERE'S A RECRUIT CLASS THAT FINISHED WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND THERE'S ONE THAT STARTED WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO WE HAVE A CLASS THAT'S IN RIGHT NOW, GOTCHA. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR? SO FOR COMING UP NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER RECRUIT CLASS. IN FACT, WE START HIRE, THE APPLICATION PROCESS OPENS JUNE 5TH FOR ANYBODY THAT'S LISTENING, JUNE TO JULY 5TH, THAT WILL START IN THE KIND OF LATE WINTER, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DOING A LATERAL MOVE CLASS IN THE FALL. AND ARE THESE KEEPING UP WITH HOW ARE YOU DOING RELATED TO THE TRAJECTORY OF RECRUITING VERSUS RETIREMENTS? RIGHT. AND OTHER ATTRITION RELATED TO YOUR RANKS, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. SO RIGHT NOW ON THE SUPPRESSION SIDE, WE HAVE 38 VACANCIES.

THERE'S 29 RECRUITS THAT ARE IN THE CLASS RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S GOING TO GET US FAIRLY CLOSE.

HOWEVER OF COURSE, THE TYPICAL FIREFIGHTER, IF THEY CHOOSE TO RETIRE, THEY RETIRE IN AUGUST.

THAT TENDS TO BE THE TIME THAT THEY LEAVE. AND SO THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT CLASS THAT STARTS, IN FEBRUARY. MARCH WILL BE JUST BE LOOKING TO REPLACE THOSE. AND WE'VE SET IT UP. THANKFULLY, MAYOR GREENBERG HAS AGREED, THAT I'M ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE TO, TO HIRE A CLASS EVERY YEAR. SO WE CAN GET SOME CONSISTENCY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT AND THAT WAY, TOO, IF THOSE RETIREMENT NUMBERS FLUCTUATE A LITTLE BIT, WE CAN TWEAK THOSE NUMBERS TO KEEP UP WITH IT. AND THEN JUST A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR, HOW, HOW MANY APPLICANTS ARE YOU GETTING PER OPEN POSITION? RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, ARE YOU GETTING ENOUGH APPLICANTS TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE CLASS THAT YOU CAN FILL TO CAPACITY? WE ARE. WE'D LIKE MORE, WE WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S UNDERSERVED AREAS OF OUR POPULATION THAT AREN'T APPLYING IN THE FIRST PLACE OR DON'T THINK ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT TO GIVE YOU, FOR INSTANCE, THIS LAST CLASS, WE HAD 600 APPLICANTS, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT OUT OF THOSE 600, ABOUT 150 TO 200 DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP TO TAKE THE WRITTEN TEST, ANOTHER 100 PLUS AREN'T EVEN QUALIFIED IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO IT STARTS WINNOWING DOWN. AND THEN WHEN WE START REALLY LOOKING AT OUR POOL OF GOOD REPRESENTATIONAL, DIVERSE, FROM OUR COMMUNITY, IT STARTS HURTING ON THOSE NUMBERS.

BUT WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF THINGS. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF IMMIGRATION, WITH THE OFFICE OF WOMEN TO, TRY TO REACH OUT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND GET MORE RECRUITS THAT WAY. JUST AS A HEADS UP, I KNOW OF AT LEAST TWO STORIES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE QUALIFIED WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, MET ALL THE CRITERIA WHO, WEREN'T DISQUALIFIED FOR ANY OTHER REASON. THEY JUST NEVER GOT A CALL. RIGHT? LIKE, IT JUST THEY JUST SORT OF FELL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO, IF WE'RE IN RECRUITING MODE, THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE TO FOLLOW UP WITH EVERYONE, EVEN IF THEY DON'T CALL, THEY DON'T QUALIFY OR THEY, WE GO WITH OTHER MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE. THAT'S FINE. RIGHT. BUT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING UP WITH THEM, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE FALLEN. YOU KNOW, THEY JUST FALL INTO A VOID, RIGHT? SURE, SURE. VERY BROAD BRUSH STROKE. I'M LOOKING AT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OF THE FIRE BUDGET RIGHT. THE OVERALL BUDGET IS UP 60% OVER EIGHT YEARS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S ABOUT A 6% GROWTH RATE PER YEAR, GIVE OR TAKE, AND AGAIN, THAT'S AVERAGING OVER ALL EIGHT YEARS. RIGHT. MEANWHILE THE AGENCY RECEIPTS NOW AGENCY RECEIPTS. TO BE FAIR, IT'S A SMALL PORTION OF YOUR BUDGET, RIGHT. EIGHT YEARS AGO, 673,000, THIS YEAR WAS BUDGETED 327,000.

RIGHT. SO IN AN $85 MILLION BUDGET, IT'S NOT BLOWING THE DOORS OFF. WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S DOWN 50% OVER THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME. AND AGAIN, SIMILARLY, IT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENTLY GOING DOWN WHEREAS THE OVERALL BUDGET IS GOING UP. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY THERE'S THIS ONGOING TREND OF AGENCY RECEIPTS GOING DOWN VERSUS THE OVERALL BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK, TO THE OVERALL BUDGET IN THE FIRST PLACE? THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 94% PAYROLL. SURE, SO THAT IS THAT IS THE BIGGEST INCREASE THERE IS IN THE REASON THAT IT KEEPS GOING UP IS, THE, YOU

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RIGHT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY WHY THAT'S CONSISTENTLY BEEN COMING DOWN. LIKE, WHAT'S THE TREND, WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT. AND I DON'T OPERATIONALLY I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. ANGELA DUNN , CFO BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AGENCY RECEIPTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE CPR, SPECIAL EVENTS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND SO WE CAN GET BACK TO WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AFTER A LITTLE BIT OF ANALYSIS ON THAT. BUT OPERATIONALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT. AND REALLY OPERATIONALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AGENCY RECEIPTS, WE THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT WE BILL FOR, MOST EVERYTHING THAT WE PROVIDE, WE PROVIDE TO THE, YOU KNOW, FREE TO THE TAXPAYER, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PERMITS FOR, SAY, FIREWORKS OR ANY TYPE OF PYROTECHNICS AT A SHOW. THERE'S CPR CLASSES, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BILL FOR ANY OF OUR SERVICES, SO, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN GET BACK AND AGAIN, YOUR FIRST, YOUR FIRST SITTING IN THIS SEAT FOR THE BUDGET CYCLE. SO IF YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT HISTORY AND JUST AGAIN, THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S A GOOD REASON. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, EVEN IF IT WAS UP HALF $1 MILLION, I'LL TAKE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET. RIGHT. SO, LAST THING I KNOW THAT, YOU'VE GOT UNION CONTRACTS THAT ARE OUT RIGHT, I KNOW ONE OF THEM PASSED AND ONE DID NOT CORRECT I TO BE SUPER CLEAR, I HAVE ZERO INTEREST. AND I'VE SAID THIS ABOUT EVERY OTHER UNION CONTRACT ON THE PLANET EARTH TO INSERT MYSELF IN OR IN.

I DON'T THINK ANY COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD RELATED TO THE EXECUTIVE VERSUS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH'S NEGOTIATION WITH A UNION. MY ONLY ASK IS, WHAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S PLAN TO GET RIGHT BACK TO THE TABLE AND CONCLUDE THIS AND DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ON A LET'S CALL IT A MONTH OR TWO TIMELINE, NOT YEAR OR TWO TIMELINE? WELL, TO BE CLEAR, THE LOCAL DOESN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THE CHIEF STAFF. THEY NEGOTIATE WITH THE CITY, SO THAT'S NOT UNDER MY PURVIEW TO DECIDE THAT. AND I CAN'T INSERT MYSELF JUST AS YOU CAN'T INSERT YOURSELF EITHER, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE SUPPORT. LOCAL 54 OFFICERS ARE HERE, SUPPORTING US TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS GO TO WORK EVERY DAY. DO AN AMAZING JOB, CONTRACT OR NO CONTRACT. SO MAYBE, ANGIE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD COULD YOU COMMENT ON THIS LIKE I. YOU KNOW, I REALIZE IT'S NOT, BUT THIS VERY MUCH IMPACTS THEIR BUDGET. NUMBER ONE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTRACT. ONCE THEY NEGOTIATE THESE CONTRACTS OR FINALIZE IT.

IT'S RETRO PAY WHICH IMPACTS THE BUDGET. WE SET ASIDE MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS. I JUST WANT TO GET A SENSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S SENSE OF URGENCY ON FINALIZING THIS, AS OPPOSED TO DELAYING IT. YOU KNOW , MUCH LONGER. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANGELA AND CFO. I, I'M NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE SCHEDULING OF THOSE CONTRACTS, SO I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. I DO KNOW THAT IT OBVIOUSLY REMAINS A PRIORITY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. HOWEVER, THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS THAT ARE ALSO YOU KNOW, IN THE IN, IN PROCESS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING ALONG WITH. SO WHILE I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE TO SHARE WITH YOU, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONCE I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. BUT I CAN'T I CAN'T ASSURE YOU IT'S OBVIOUSLY A PRIORITY. IT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO GET DONE, BUT IT'S MANAGING THAT WITHIN THE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS THAT ARE IN PLAY RIGHT NOW AS WELL.

TOTALLY GET IT. I'LL CONCLUDE WITH THIS, GET IT THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR. WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WENT TO A VOTE AND FAILED, WHICH USUALLY MEANS THERE'S VERY LITTLE LEFT. RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S PROBABLY 1 OR 2 THINGS, IT'S RARE THAT YOU GET TO THAT POINT AND YOU'RE REWRITING THE WHOLE THING OR NEGOTIATING SCRATCH. SO WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT CONTEXT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY THERE'S A RUMOR THAT, THERE MIGHT BE A SIGNIFICANT DELAY BECAUSE OF THAT VOTE. AND I JUST HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE, BECAUSE THAT, AGAIN, NOT ONLY IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND GIVE SOME STABILITY TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS, BUT IT ALSO IMPACTS THE BUDGET. WE ALWAYS DO THESE RETRO PAY THINGS. AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE, LMPD CONTRACT TWO AND A HALF YEARS POST CONTRACT. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAD TO RETRO PAY THEM AND ALL THIS STUFF WAS JUST IT WAS FUNKY IN THE BUDGET.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE PURSUING THAT. SO APPRECIATE THE FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI STOLE SOME OF MY THUNDER, BUT MINE WAS. MY MOM WAS ABOUT THE. I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT IN YOUR

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AND, YOU'VE BEEN SHOWING UP, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE, GIVEN INCREASES TO LMPD AND CORRECTIONS BASED ON THEIR BASE RATE AND LONGEVITY. LONGEVITY AND I KNOW THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL AS FIREFIGHTERS, AS WE NEED REALLY GOOD FIREFIGHTERS TO STAY ENGAGED AND STAY WITH THE WORK FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO AND JUST EVEN LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT COMPARISON, COMPARISONS, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN OR HEARD, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A BIG DEAL. HAVE YOU FACTORED, JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF SOME OF WHAT COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI HAS SAID? HOW HAS THAT FACTORED? I WASN'T HERE LAST YEAR. HAVE YOU FACTORED FOR HOW LONG YOU CAN CONTINUE TO PAY , THE FIREMEN, WHILE THIS CONTRACT IS IN, IS IN, IN THE SPOT, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR CITY. WE NEED OUR FOLKS TO BE FULLY SUPPORTED. WE DON'T GET AS MANY LAWSUITS AS WE DO WITH LMPD AND CORRECTIONS. THIS HAS THIS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN AN AMAZING EXAMPLE OF PUBLIC GOOD AND SERVICES. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE IS THE DANGER POINT AT FOR THIS. AND HOW CAN WE'RE ENSURE THAT OUR FIREMEN WITH LOCAL, 54 ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THESE TABLES BECAUSE IT TAKES TWO TO NEGOTIATE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THESE TABLES AND FEEL FULLY SUPPORTED.

WELL, I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. I DO HAVE TO DISAGREE ON ONE. YOU SAID FIREMEN, IT'S FIREFIGHTERS. WE HAVE WOMEN AND MEN IN THE FIRE SERVICE. YEAH. YES. BUT BUT NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FOR THAT. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, COME TO WORK EVERY DAY, DO AMAZING WORK, AND NO MATTER WHAT MATTER WHAT THEY FACE, WHETHER IT'S PROBLEMS ON THE FIRE SCENE OR EVEN PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEGOTIATING TABLE, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO KEEP COMING TO WORK AND DOING THAT AMAZING SERVICE, SO I HAVE NO DOUBT, THAT'S PART OF LABOR LAW, IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO AGREE. THEY HAVE TO MEET, THEY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THAT'LL BE HAPPENING, IN A, IN A, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME. OKAY. AND SO THE WORRY AND, COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN PIAGENTINI HINTED TO IT, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THESE BACK CHANNELS THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE THREAT THAT IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT IT WON'T GET APPROVED AND THEY'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE OTHER CONTRACTS. MY WORRY IS HOW AT WHAT POINT WILL WE HAVE TO, AS A COUNCIL OR WHATEVER, HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS IN A BUDGET? LIKE IS THERE A DANGER ZONE? LIKE WHAT IS A GOOD TIMELINE FOR THIS TO BE REASONABLE WITH WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY, SUBMITTED AS YOUR PROPOSAL? MA'AM AGAIN, THAT'S A THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY CONTROL AS THE FIRE CHIEF, OURS IS THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONAL RUNNING OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AS FAR AS ANY OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, AGAIN, THAT'S BETWEEN THE LOCAL AND, THE EXECUTIVE. AND AS FAR AS THE BUDGETING, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGETS THERE AND, IT WAS CONSIDERED IN THIS, YOU KNOW, AND ACTUALLY, ANGIE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT THE MONEY IS, IS THERE TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED INCREASES. YES. OKAY. AND, ANGIE, IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, WHATEVER YOU CAN TELL ME, I THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET PROCESS. AND THIS IS AN AREA THAT I REALLY WANT TO ADVOCATE IN. SO I'M SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ALL BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO AS COUNCIL. SURE. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I CAN CONFIRM IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REGARDLESS OF THE TIMELINE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORKING ON, ON GETTING BACK TO THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE TIMELINE, THE MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET. SO WHEN THAT CONTRACT IS APPROVED AND WHEN IT IS SETTLED, THE MONEY IS THERE. SO WE HAVE FACTORED IN, WITHIN OUR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS ACCOUNT, A FORECAST OF, YOU KNOW, BASED ON NEGOTIATIONS, AND THAT IS IN THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU, FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN MCCRANEY. THANK YOU, MR. PRO TEM. GOOD. CHIEF. GOOD TO SEE YOU. ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU RUN A GOOD SHIP. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, HOW HOW DO YOUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES STACK AGAINST THE NATIONAL AVERAGE? AND WHAT METRICS DO YOU USE? SO, I'M GLAD THAT YOU ASKED THAT. WE ACTUALLY, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WELL, LET ME BACK UP. IT WAS ACTUALLY TEN YEARS AGO THAT WE FIRST GOT ACCREDITED AS A, NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED ACCREDITED FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S A CFA IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT DOES THIS. THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED OF THEM ACROSS THE NATIONS, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ONE OF AN EVEN SMALLER GROUP

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RIGHT? RIGHT. WELL, GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE. AND I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE A DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BUDGET. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF YOUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS, AND DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO KIND OF START CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT? SO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S REALLY DUE TO THE AGE AND THE WEAR AND TEAR OF OUR, OUR FIRE STATIONS. SO WE HAVE 21 STATIONS, SEVERAL OF THOSE, SEVEN OF THEM, IN FACT, ARE OVER 100 YEARS OLD. ANOTHER WAS IT 14, 11, 11 THAT ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT A FIREHOUSE, EVEN COMPARED TO THIS BUILDING, AT SOME POINT THE HVAC CAN WIND DOWN THE LIGHTS, THE PLUMBING, EVERYTHING CAN WIND DOWN. A FIREHOUSE IS OCCUPIED 24 OVER SEVEN, SO IT NEVER THROTTLES BACK, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THE PLUMBING, THE HVAC, THE ELECTRICITY, THE WEAR AND TEAR, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROOFS, YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR, ETC. WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. SO, BUT IF YOU LOOKED IN THE MAYOR'S LONG TERM PLAN, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, HE DID COMMIT TO, LOOKING AT BUILDING NEW FIRE STATIONS, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY WORKING ON THAT IN THE SOUTH END, TO GET A NEW FIRE STATION DOWN THERE AND REPLACE THE AGING ONE THAT'S, DOWN BY IROQUOIS PARK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UP THE GOOD WORK, COUNCILMAN REED, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE, JUST LISTENING IN, CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR FOR YOUR SERVICE, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT, RECRUITING, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE COMING IN, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT A PERSON, THAT I KNOW, AND HE APPLIED FOR THE FOR A POSITION.

NEVER GOT A CALL BACK, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, SUBSEQUENTLY WAS HIRED BY ONE OF THE, SUBURBAN DISTRICTS. SO IF WE'RE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME, WITH RECRUITMENT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO WHO IS ACTUALLY RETIRING AND MAKE OR APPLYING, I SHOULD SAY. AND THEN, FOLLOWING UP WITH THEM. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE, 34 PEOPLE IN THIS LAST CLASS, AND I. AND I ASSURE YOU, THEY WERE TOP NOTCH CANDIDATES.

I'M NOT ARGUING THAT, AND I'M SURE THAT THEY WERE. BUT IF WE'RE NOT FILLING, FULL CLASSES, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING, DESERVE A PHONE CALL BACK AND A NOTIFICATION.

ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILMAN REED? NO. COUNCILMAN PARKER. YES. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK THIS , QUESTION FOR, TO HELP ANSWER IT FOR OUR BUDGET GURUS, THERE THERE IS TWO BUILDING MAINTENANCE REPAIR SERVICE BUDGET LINES RECORDED. AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THAT WOULD CONFLATE OR INFLATE, SOME OF THE NUMBERS IN YOUR BUDGET. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS, WHY THAT'S IN TWO LINES RATHER THAN TOGETHER? IF YOU'RE REFERENCING, COLONEL COOPER? I'M OVER FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE AND THE BUDGET PROCUREMENT, BUT THERE'S AN $800,000 LINE ITEM BEEN MOVED TO CAPITAL, AND THAT CAPITAL MONEY IS THERE SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THERE'S OFTEN DEADLINES THAT WE HAVE TO MEET, SOMETIMES UNEXPECTED WORK THAT POPS UP WITH THE WITH THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, IT PUTS US ON A DEADLINE TO MEET THAT BY JULY 1ST, THE FISCAL YEAR. AND SO BY MOVING THAT $800,000 TO CAPITAL, IT

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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE DETAIL BOOK PAGE, 60 AND 61.

HI. ANGIE DUNNIGAN, I THINK IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS. RIGHT, AND WE MIGHT GET BACK TO YOU ON IT, BUT JUST AT A FIRST GLANCE, I SEE THERE IS, THERE'S AN EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SERVICES UNDER IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. AND THEN THERE'S THE SAME, FUNDING CODE OR LINE ITEM, EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR UNDER SUPPLIES. SO ONE IS FOR SUPPLIES AND THE OTHER IS FOR, CONTRACTUAL ISSUES. IT'S JUST A, A BREAKOUT OF HOW THOSE COSTS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT.

OKAY. DOES THAT HELP? OKAY. YES COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL, THANK YOU , IF WE'RE LODGING COMPLAINTS, I CAME TO THE POLICE OR. I'M SORRY, THE FIRE FACILITY AND I GEARED UP, AND YOU GUYS NEVER CALLED ME BACK BECAUSE I WAS JUST DAZZLING THAT DAY. I'M JUST KIDDING. I THINK I COMPLAINED THE WHOLE TIME ON SPEED DIAL IF WE NEED YOU. YEAH, HE MISSED OUT ON A RECRUITMENT OPPORTUNITY.

JUST KIDDING. YOU PROBABLY SAVED PEOPLE'S LIVES BY NOT HIRING YOU. BUT, I'M JUST GOING TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY. THIS ONE HURTS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I LOVE LOUISVILLE FIRE AND EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO. BUT FOR YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, I'M GOING TO GO WITH A D PLUS, SO SORRY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MAJOR AND BATTALION SOUP, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, PEELING BACK THE LAYERS OF WHAT? HOW LOUISVILLE FIRE IS STRUCTURED, ALSO KIND OF SUPER WEIRD THAT IT WAS BUILT IN EXCEL, BUT HERE NOR THERE, THAT ONE HURT, BUT I, I LOVE EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING. FULL DISCLOSURE IN THE O'NEAL HOUSEHOLD, WE GO BY COOL HAND, LUKE RULES, AND ANY O'NEAL THAT GETS LESS THAN A B SPENDS A NIGHT IN THE BOX. SO I GOT A NIGHT IN THE BOX. THANK GOODNESS FOR THE GOOD WEATHER. AND A BOX OUTSIDE, I KNOW, SO YOUR BUDGET, FROM FISCAL YEAR 16 TO, FISCAL YEAR 25, HAS INCREASED BY $31.2 MILLION. HOWEVER, YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE DECREASED BY 29, COULD YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO WHY THAT IS? I THINK I FEEL LIKE EARLIER YOU ALLUDED TO IT WAS AN INCREASE IN PERSONNEL COSTS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS INFLATING THAT NUMBER. IT'S PRIMARILY PERSONNEL COSTS AND, RAISES. IT'S ALSO A LOT OF UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME AS WELL, FOR SOME OF THOSE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE HAD LOWER PERSONNEL, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO FILL ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THE ONLY AGENCY THAT HAS MINIMUM STAFFING. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN SOMEONE IS OFF, WHETHER IT'S, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, PEOPLE , PEOPLE, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY IS GONE FOR THOSE 12 WEEKS, WHICH IS A GREAT BENEFIT, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO BE HIRED OVERTIME FOR EVERY SINGLE SHIFT THAT THAT PERSON'S GONE. IF SOMEBODY'S OFF SICK, IF SOMEBODY IS ON VACATION, IT HAS TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE THE FIRE TRUCK HAS TO GO OUT WITH FOUR PEOPLE ON IT, SO ANY OF THOSE COSTS THAT, THAT HAS INCURRED, WE HAVE TO PAY IT IN OVERTIME. AND SO YOUR VACANCY RATE OR YOUR VACANT POSITIONS IS ABOUT 30 RIGHT NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. CORRECT. OKAY, IN THE LONG TERM CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLAN, THERE'S FIVE PROJECTS, I'M NOT GOING TO OUTLINE THEM UNLESS YOU NEED ME TO, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO WHICH SPECIFIC FIRE STATIONS WOULD BE REPLACED UNDER THAT PLAN. SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, ENGINE 23, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTH END BY IROQUOIS PARK, IT IS A VERY, VERY SMALL FACILITY. IT'S OLDER FACILITY. AND IN FACT, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, THE WAY THE BATHROOM IS LAID OUT, WE CANNOT, HAVE WOMEN WORK AT THAT FIRE STATION, AND THAT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE IN 2024. SO WE NEED TO GET IT REPLACED, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT AFTER THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE, ENGINE NINE, WHICH IS IN THE SMOKETOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO A VERY SMALL, VERY AGED FACILITY THAT, REALLY NEEDS A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING IS, AS THE, THE PROJECT THAT'S OVER ON THE BARRETT AVENUE AREA, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A LOT OF NEW MIXED USE HOUSING AND BUSINESSES, LET'S GET THEM TO BUILD A FIRE STATION. TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. PARDON ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WITH, FACILITIES AND FLEET MANAGEMENT, THERE ARE, SOME PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT GO BACK ALL THE WAY TO FISCAL YEAR 19, AND LEFT TO DATE IS ALMOST $10 MILLION. WHERE ARE YOU WITH THOSE PROJECTS? AND DO YOU EXPECT THEM DONE? IF NOT, CAN THAT MONEY BE RELEASED INTO SOMETHING ELSE? SO ALMOST ALL OF

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BUT THERE'S NOT A REAL DECREASE IN CELL PHONE SERVICES. IT'S JUST, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT. SO IS THAT GOING TO STAY LAST YEAR, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS $60,500. AND YET YEAR TO DATE IT'S BEEN ABOUT 77,000 SPENT. SO IS THE NEW BUDGETED AMOUNT GOING TO BE AN INCREASE? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE. WE'LL WORK WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT'S PRESENTED. IT'S JUST MOVING IT FROM ONE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER. BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE FUND IT APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATELY FOR USAGE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PARKER, WERE YOU BACK IN THE QUEUE, NO, MR. CLERK, COULD YOU CALL THE RECORD REFLECT THAT? WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER. THANK YOU, SO JUST AS A DIRECT FOLLOW UP TO, COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL'S QUESTION ABOUT, FIRE STATIONS AND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT APPARATUS, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET IT, YOU DO HAVE IN THE BUDGET, A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR FIRE APPARATUS. I'VE TURNED THE PAGE AND LOST IT, BUT, THERE WAS A FIRE PUMPING. I THINK TWO FIRE PUMPING APPARATUS AND ONE POWER AND LIGHT, I THINK, ALTHOUGH I MAY NOT BE RIGHT ON THAT, WHERE WOULD THOSE APPARATUS BE LOCATED? SO, WE DID GET, $2 MILLION IN FLEET IN, CAPITAL, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PURCHASE ONE APPARATUS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THAT MONEY WILL GO, A FIRE ENGINE, A PUMPING APPARATUS RUNS RIGHT NOW. ABOUT $1.2 MILLION, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET ONE OF THOSE THAT OTHER 800,000 WILL BE FOR THE REST OF OUR FLEET AND FOR OUR SHOP, THEIR NEEDS. BUT AS FAR AS WHERE THEY GO, LIKE, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE ORDER WILL PROBABLY GO TO EITHER OUR OLDEST ARE AT ENGINE 18, WHICH IS FOURTH OF MONTANA, ENGINE FOUR. THAT'S OUT IN THE CRESCENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE TWO WERE PURCHASED IN THE SAME YEAR. THEY'RE ABOUT 22 YEARS OLD.

THEY'RE FRONTLINE APPARATUS. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND AS YOU TALK ABOUT, REBUILDING FIRE STATIONS AND AGAIN, I, I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT YOUR FIREFIGHTER BATTALIONS LOOK DIFFERENT TODAY THAN THEY DID, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS AGO. SO I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT OUR FIRE SERVICES IS, MORE APPROPRIATELY REPRESENTED, THAT'S SAID, THOUGH, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSING DOWN FIRE STATIONS, THE LOCATIONS OF A LOT OF THESE DEPARTMENTS, A LOT OF THESE STATIONS IS BASED ON A LOUISVILLE THAT IS WAS VERY OLD. IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT REBUILDING OR OR BUILDING NEW FIRE STATIONS , WHERE IN THAT DISCUSSION ARE YOU LOOKING AT, IF WE WERE TO, TO SAY, HAVE TO REBUILD FOUR, WOULD WE NECESSARILY, ESPECIALLY WITH NEW TYPES OF EQUIPMENT, NEW STANDARDS FOR WHO'S ON THAT EQUIPMENT AND HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS NEED TO BE ON THAT EQUIPMENT, HOW LARGE THE SERVICE AREA ACTUALLY IS AND WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY FIGHTING AGAINST, I KNOW THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD IN THE PAST, SO I GET THAT, SO I GUESS I'M ASKING, EVEN IF YOU'RE USING SOME OF THE DATA FROM, YOU KNOW, PAST RESEARCH WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT LITERALLY BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS, HOW MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND BUILDING BUILDINGS IS FOCUSED ON BUILDING THE RIGHT BUILDINGS IN THE RIGHT PLACES? AND STAFFED AT THE RIGHT LEVELS, AS OPPOSED TO, WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THIS ONE DOWN AND BUILD ANOTHER ONE IN EXACTLY 100, IN FACT, WE JUST SENT IN A REQUEST THROUGH, THE IF THROUGH THE UNION, THAT'S ONE OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE FOR FREE SO THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S A GIS STUDY THAT WILL LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE LAYOUT OF WHAT OUR CITY LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. WHAT OUR SOCIAL VULNERABILITY LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT OUR HAZARDS LOOK LIKE, AND WHERE OUR RUN VOLUME GOES. AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING THE RIGHT TYPE OF BUILDING WITH THE RIGHT TYPE OF APPARATUS AND THE RIGHT SPOT. OKAY, GOOD. I MEAN, IT'S AGAIN, BUILDING EXACTLY THE SAME BUILDING WITH A WOMEN'S FACILITY IS WELL, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SEVEN OF

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EXACTLY. AND AS WE BUILD NEW ONES, THE FOOTPRINT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT AND PERHAPS A LITTLE LESS. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, I HATE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, BUT IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS.

I'M GLAD SO MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES BROUGHT IT UP, I AM CURIOUS. HIS FAVORITE TOPIC TO.

WELL, THIS YEAR, YOU GUYS, ACTUALLY SHIFTED 800,000 INTO CAPITAL. AND I HEARD YOUR EXPLANATION ON, BUT GIVEN GIVEN THE LARGE AMOUNT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, FIRST OF ALL, AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE TRYING TO EDUCATE YOU DO FACILITIES. RIGHT. I COULD SIT UP HERE, WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF. IMMEDIATE, LIKE EMERGENCY KINDS OF REPAIRS, THAT TYPICALLY DOESN'T FALL INTO DEFERRED MAINTENANCE UNLESS YOU'VE DEFERRED THE MAINTENANCE SO LONG THAT THE THING IS COMPLETELY DETERIORATED. SO I'M.

I GET THAT WE HAVE TO FIX THOSE THINGS AS WE FIND OURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION. THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION. IF HAVING IT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS AS THEY BECOME PRESSING, WHY WOULD WE NOT THEN HAVE MORE OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ALSO IN CAPITAL, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FOCUS ON FIXING THOSE THINGS BEFORE THEY BECOME THE EMERGENCY? SO THE AND IT FEELS TO ME LIKE EVERY YEAR I ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE EVERY YEAR I LOOK AT YOUR GENERAL MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT AND YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG GENERAL MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT. AND EVERY YEAR WE ASK ABOUT YOUR CAPITAL, YOUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH OF IT. IT JUST FEELS LOPSIDED. I'M HAPPY YOU MOVED THE 8000 800,000 THIS YEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT . I GUESS I'M ASKING, IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? AND IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER, WHAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE NUMBER TO MOVE INTO THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL ACCOUNT. WELL, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA IS WE ESTIMATE HAVING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OF ABOUT $31 MILLION. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HAVING THE AGE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WORK OUT OF A ROOF ALONE TO REPLACE A ROOF ALONE EACH YEAR, WHICH IS OUR GOAL, THE NEXT ONE UP IS ENGINE EIGHT ON HIKES LANE. THAT'S A 200, APPROXIMATELY $250,000 JOB COMING OUT OF THAT $800,000, BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OTHER PAINT UPKEEP THAT COMES ALONG THE 21 FIREHOUSES. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A TRAINING ACADEMY WITH WITH BURN BUILDINGS AND TRAINING AND TRAINING TOWERS IN IT. WE HAVE AN ARSON BUREAU. WE HAVE HEADQUARTERS. WE HAVE THE SHOP, SO IT'S BEYOND THE 21 FACILITIES THEMSELVES. AND THE ROOFS ALONE TAKE A LARGE CHUNK OUT OF IT, BEYOND THAT, YOU ALSO GET INTO PAINT, DRYWALL, THE PLUMBING REPAIRS THAT WE MENTIONED JUST THE GENERAL WEAR AND TEAR ON, ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THAT AGE.

SO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE MAKING MY ARGUMENT FOR ME? YEAH. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE ONLY MOVING 800,000 INTO CAPITAL AS FAR AS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE? WHY? WHY ARE WE INSISTING ON LEAVING IT IN THE GENERAL REPAIRS ACCOUNT? WHY DON'T WE MORE CORRECTLY IDENTIFY WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE REFERENCING THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.

KNOW YOU MOVED $800,000 FROM THE GENERAL REPAIR INTO THE CAPITAL BUDGET. AND I'M COMMENDING YOU FOR THAT. AND NOW I'M SAYING, WHY ONLY 800,000? BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW YOUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS WAY MORE THAN THAT. AND THE REASON YOU GAVE FOR MOVING THE 800,000 IS IT GAVE YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY, WHICH I'M HAPPY ABOUT, IF YOU GOT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH 800,000, THEN WHY ONLY 800,000 IS DONE? 800,000 IS HISTORICALLY THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEEN BUDGETED AND OPERATING. SO WE JUST MOVED THE SAME AMOUNT. IT'S A STARTING POINT. WE JUST MOVED THAT SAME AMOUNT. SO YOU JUST TOOK WHAT THEY NORMALLY DID FOR GENERAL REPAIRS AND MOVE THAT INTO DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. CORRECT OKAY OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S THAT HELPS. GREAT, ANYONE ELSE AGAIN? I DON'T WANT TO, STEAL, STEAL ALL OF IT, BUT. PARKER, YOU'RE STILL IN THEAN QUEUE, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE STILL NOT, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY. IT WILL. NOW THANK YOU, OKAY, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABO YOUR, CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS, HOW MANY ARE YOU BUDGETED FOR? HOW MANY DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FILLED AND HOW MANY VACANT POSITIONS DO YOU HAVE AND WITH THAT RECRUIT CLASS THAT'S COMING ON, OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL CHANGE THAT NUMBER A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT? SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE, 38 VACANCIES IN THE SUPPRESSION SIDE, WITH 29 MEMBERS THAT ARE IN THE RECRUIT SCHOOL. SO 29 WILL REPLACE MOST, YOKNOW, MOST OF THOSE, AN THEN WE HAVE BUDGETED TO START ANHER RRUITLASS, IN LATE, LATE WINTER, TO RE AN TT T.ND I INK WE HAVE ANOTHERHREE SITIONS IN, NON-SWORN, THAT WE'RE IN THE HIRING PROCESS TO, TO GET GOING. OKAY. GREAT, AND I

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IT'S A HOOK AND LADDER. THAT'S THE TRACTOR DRAWN AERIAL THAT'LL BE GOING IN AT 34TH AND RIVER PARK. THAT REQUIRES TWO DRIVERS. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT HAS SOMEBODY DRIVING IN THE FRONT AND SOMEBODY DRIVING IN THE BACK, SO WE'LL NEED THREE NEW SERGEANTS POSITIONS. WE HAVE THOSE BASICALLY IN OUR HIP POCKET. AND ONCE, TRUCK FOUR GETS HERE AND IS ON TRACK, WE'LL BE PUSHING THOSE THREE PEOPLE UP PROMOTING THREE MORE SERGEANTS. THE OTHER RECLASSIFICATION ABOUT A MECHANIC JUST REALLY HAD TO DO WITH THE, THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING RECOGNIZED FOR THE FOR THE JOB THAT THEY DO. AND THOSE THAT WORKED OUT WELL.

OKAY. GREAT. THANKS, I'M LOOKING AT AND THIS IS NOT A BIG NUMBER. SO IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE OF YOUR ENTIRE BUDGET, LOOKING AT 68,000 FEELS KIND OF. BUT I'M LOOKING AT YOUR ELECTRICAL SUPPLIES, IN 22, 23, IT WAS 18,900. FOR THE BUDGET, FOR 2324, IT WAS 4500. AND FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, IT'S 68,400, THAT'S IT'S JUST A BIG DIFFERENCE. I'M CURIOUS, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO IT? AND THAT'S IN ELECTRICAL SUPPLIES. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER COATING THAT'S PROBABLY FOR OUR CELL PHONES THAT GOT DROPPED OFF THE OTHER ONE. SO THAT'S A MATTER OF YES, IT'S A MATTER OF LEVELS. OKAY AND I WILL REMIND MY COLLEAGUES AND THOSE LISTENING THAT WHEN WE STARTED THE MEETING, I MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE OF THEM THAT'S CAUGHT UP IN THERE. GREAT ANY OTHERS QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE SEEING NONE, WE ALSO SEEM TO HAVE FINISHED A BIT EARLY. WE STARTED A LITTLE BIT EARLY, BUT NOT NOT ENOUGH, BUT, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WELL WE WILL BE ADJOURNED. ALL RIGHT. NEXT MEETING IS TOMORROW AFTERNOON, AND WE WILL HAVE.

NO WORRIES. I SHOULD HAVE LET YOU KNOW I WAS GOING TO DO THAT. SO WE HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND THOSE WILL START AT 4:00. OKAY. SO,

[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]