May 28, 2024 Public Works Committee (trimmed)

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NO METRO TV. TWO MINUTES. METRO TV, PLEASE. ALSO, SWITCH OVER THE LIVE MEETING TO PUBLIC WORKS . THANK YOU.

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OUR FIRST DISCUSSION WILL BE AN UPDATE TO THE MANUAL ON TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. WE HAVE PUBLIC

[1. ID 24-0269     UPDATES TO THE MANUAL ON TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AS OF DECEMBER 2023 – Jennifer Kern, Public Works  ]

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AND THOSE ARE THE FLASHING LIGHTS. WE HAVE A SET OUT HERE ON SIXTH STREET RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR OFFICE, THEY ALSO LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS FOR OPERATING LOWER VOLUME INTERSECTIONS AND HOW WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATENESS ON THOSE? A COUPLE OF BIG THINGS HERE ARE THAT THIS IS ALL BASED ON DATA. ALMOST 100 YEARS WORTH OF DATA. SO ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN IN PRACTICE FOR ALL THAT TIME. AND WHEN THEY MAKE AN UPDATE TO THIS MANUAL AND CHANGE THIS GUIDANCE, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT THAT GOES BEHIND IT BEFORE THEY JUMP INTO THIS KIND OF, DRASTIC CHANGES. WE WILL NOT DREDGE. THESE AREN'T REALLY DRASTIC CHANGES. SO MUTCD'S THE LAW THAT GOVERNS ALL THESE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND THERE ARE NO MUTCD POLICE. WE WON'T GET CITED IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES TO THE T. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO FAIL IS THAT WE RUN THE RISK OF LOSING FEDERAL FUNDS, AND WORSE, THAT TORT LIABILITY THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO EVERY TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE. SO THIS IS TRAFFIC SIGNS, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, CHANNELIZING DEVICES LIKE THE POST DELINEATORS WE USE IN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD TO CONTROL ACCESS. AND THEN WHATEVER THING YOU PUT OUT THERE THAT HAS A COLOR, A SHAPE, A SYMBOL, A WORD, EVEN SOUND TO TACTILE WARNINGS THAT WE USE AT THE SIDEWALK ARE ALL, WITHIN THIS GUIDANCE. SO IN THIS MANUAL, THIS IS ABOUT 900 PAGES LONG.

IT'S NOT AN EASY READ, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO ENGINEERING JUDGMENT ON A LOT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IN THIS UPDATE, THEY KIND OF OFFERED MORE GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WOULD USE THOSE ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATIONS, WHAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. AND THEY REALLY THEY ADDED THAT, CLAIM IN THERE TOO THAT IT IS ABOUT IT'S WHATEVER THAT JURISDICTION IS COMFORTABLE IN MAKING FOR THAT DECISION. IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON ENGINEERING JUDGMENT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THAT JURISDICTION THAT DICTATES HOW THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE CONTROLLED, THERE WAS ALSO LANGUAGE ADDED THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER COMPLIANCE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE DECISIONS. JUST BECAUSE WE PUT UP A TRAFFIC SIGN DOES NOT MEAN DRIVERS ARE GOING TO OBEY. SO WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT COMPLIANCE TO MAKE SURE THE TREATMENT WE USE IS BEING OBEYED. AND SOMETIMES IT CAN COME DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT. AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT TO BACK UP SOME OF THESE REGULATORY SIGNS, THEY OFTEN GO UNNOTICED OTHER BIG CHANGE IS IN THE WAY THEY, WERE GOING TO ALLOW THE PLACEMENT OF STOP SIGNS IN THE PREVIOUS MANUAL. IT SIMPLY SAID STOP SIGNS SHOULD NOT BE USED TO CONTROL SPEEDING. IN THIS LATEST VERSION THEY CHANGED THAT SHOULD CONDITION TO SHALL. AND THERE'S THREE VERBS THEY USE A LOT IN THIS MANUAL SHALL WHICH MEANS YOU BETTER FOLLOW THIS GUIDELINE. AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU BETTER HAVE STRONG DOCUMENTATION OF WHY YOU CAN'T. SHOULD IS A GUIDELINE THAT SAYS THIS. THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA IF YOU CAN DO IT. IMPLEMENT IT. IF YOU CAN'T, YOU NEED TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY DO. AND THEN THERE'S MAY, WHICH ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S GOOD TO DO, BUT IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF YOU DON'T , ANOTHER BIG CHANGE IS, TRAFFIC CONTROL AT AN INTERSECTION. ONE OPTION WE PREVIOUSLY HAD IS IF YOU HAD, INSUFFICIENT SIGHT DISTANCE AT AN INTERSECTION, YOU MAY CONSIDER A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONTROL. SO EITHER A MULTI WAY STOP OR A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. THE MANUAL NOW IT WAS RECOMMENDED YOU REMOVE THOSE OBSTRUCTIONS BEFORE YOU CONSIDER

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NOW THEY'VE OFFERED GUIDANCE TO WHERE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT LAND USE, DRIVERS, PHASE INTENSITY POPULATION. THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THEY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU ESTABLISH A SPEED LIMIT. BUT ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THAT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO COMPLIANCE. SO IF YOU DO WANT TO CHANGE A SPEED LIMIT, THE GUIDANCE NOW SAYS YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ADDING SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC CALMING TECHNIQUE TO THAT CORRIDOR TO HELP ENFORCE THAT NEW SPEED LIMIT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET COMPLIANCE JUST BY TAKING A 35 MILE AN HOUR SIGN AND MAKING IT A 25 MILE AN HOUR SIGN. DRIVERS ARE STILL GOING TO GO AT THE SPEED THEY FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. BUT IN THIS NEW GUIDANCE, THEY'RE SAYING ADD SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL, ADD TRAFFIC CALMING AND YOU CAN GET THOSE DRIVERS DOWN TO THAT. WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE ON FOR A REGULATORY SPEED LIMITS, A FEW OF THE OTHER MINOR CHANGES WAS THE ADVANCE WARNINGS. NOW THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TO ADD ADVANCE WARNINGS WHEN YOU HAVE, OVERHEAD CLEARANCE ISSUES OR WEIGHT LIMIT RESTRICTIONS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE BEGINNING, SO IT'S NOT A HUGE CHANGE FOR US. BUT IT WAS GIVING THIS INTO THE MANUAL GIVES US, YOU KNOW, MORE SECURITY TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, OR MORE AT LEAST MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS MANUAL TO BACK US UP. AND A GREAT ONE TOO, THAT WE'VE JUST STARTED USING IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. SO THE WIDTH OF THE STRIPE ON THE ROAD TRADITIONALLY HAD BEEN FOUR INCHES WIDE. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THE STATE STARTED USING SIX INCH STRIPES. WE STARTED USING IT AS WELL. NOW THE MANUAL IS RECOMMENDING USING SIX INCH WIDE. SHOULDER STRIPES ON THE ROADWAY, AND IT HELPS WITH THOSE ROADWAY DEPARTURES, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING ON SOME OF THE HIGHER CLASS ROADS. BUT SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO EXPAND METRO WIDE WOULDN'T BE A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE BECAUSE THE COST DIFFERENCE IS MINIMAL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT 4 INCH TO 6 INCH, BUT IT DOES ADD THAT ADDED LEVEL OF SAFETY, WHICH AND IS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION THAT A LOT OF OUR VISION ZERO PRIORITIES IS ADDING THAT WIDER EDGE LINE. AND ONE FINAL CHANGE WAS SIGNAL WARRANTS. WHAT TRADITIONALLY HAD BEEN THAT SHALL CONDITION THAT SHALL VERB NOW AS THEY SHOULD.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANTS, THEY GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY. AND WHEN YOU DECIDE TO EITHER INSTALL OR REMOVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BY CHANGING THAT CONDITION FROM SHALL TO SHOULD, THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG MANUAL, 900 PAGES AND IT IS VERY TECHNICAL. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. BUT AND IT IS ALSO VERY SITE SPECIFIC. SO WHAT WORKS IN ONE INTERSECTION MAY NOT WORK IN IN ANOTHER. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL AS WELL AS CO-CHAIR COUNCILMAN PIETRO BETTINI, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER THINK ABOUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE PROCESS TO DETERMINING A SPEED LIMIT ON A STREET. YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU NEVER TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW THAT IS BEEN DETERMINED. SO THESE ARE BASED ON, THE GUIDELINES ARE BASED ON, I GUESS, STUDIES OF EACH STREETS, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, WHAT HAVE YOU, HOW EASY IS IT TO WORK WITH ENFORCEMENT LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTORISTS ARE FOLLOWING THESE, SO SUGGESTED SPEED LIMITS? I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPEAK TO ENFORCEMENT. I JUST KNOW MOST DRIVERS ARE GOING TO GO AT A SPEED THEY FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. IF WE HAD NO SIGNS ON THE ROAD AT ALL, BUT IT IS A VERY NARROW ROAD. THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT LESS COMFORTABLE DOING 40 MILES AN HOUR THAN IF IT WAS A 14 FOOT WIDE LANE OR SOMETHING. YOU WOULD SEE ON THE INTERSTATE. SO THE ROADWAY GEOMETRY DOES A LOT MORE TO INFLUENCE SPEED THAN THE REGULATORY SIGNS. WE'RE HOPING THE SIGNS JUST ARE TO REITERATE WHAT THAT ROAD WAS DESIGNED TO DO. SO WHEN YOU HAD A ROAD THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR 45 AND 55 MILES AN HOUR, WE WOULD EXPECT 85 PERCENTILE SPEEDS UP AT THAT HIGHER RANGE. THAT'S WHY

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THE FENDER BENDERS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT NOT AS IMPORTANT AS ADDRESSING THOSE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE INJURIES. I KNOW, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. IT'S JUST DISHEARTENING BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN SEE ACTION. AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT SHOULD BE WE SHOULD SEE ACTION BEFORE ANYBODY HAS TO DIE, GOING INTO ENGINEERING JUDGMENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MIGHT MAKE IT GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE POWER TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS IN ORDER TO MAKE DECISIONS, THAT THEY FEEL BENEFIT OUR ROADWAYS VERSUS WHAT MIGHT BE CONFLICTING IN THE MUTCD. SO CAN WE EXPECT MORE YESES FROM PUBLIC WORKS WHEN IT COMES TO STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS? WELL, YEAH, POSSIBLY. YOU KNOW, WHAT I LIKE TO THINK IS THAT WE WERE ALREADY WE ALREADY INCORPORATED A LOT OF THESE CHANGES IN THE WAY WE ANALYZE, WHENEVER WE'RE USING ENGINEERING JUDGMENT. WE TOOK A LOT OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION ALREADY. I THINK IT IS WHAT THE MUNICIPALITY IS WILLING TO TOLERATE. SO AGAIN, IT'S THE JURISDICTION THAT MAKES THAT DECISION. IDEALLY, IT'S BASED ON ENGINEERING JUDGMENT. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY AREA IN THERE. SO IT COULD BE MORE CHANGES. BUT IT'S WHATEVER THAT PUBLIC IS WILLING TO TOLERATE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY COMPLY WITH BECAUSE IT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL ABOUT COMPLIANCE. OF COURSE, THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO TACKLE IN YEAR ONE THAT I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO REVISIT MY OFFICE IN YEAR TWO BASED OFF OF THESE GUIDELINE UPDATES. MY LAST QUESTION, THERE'S UPDATES TO THE, THERE'S A SECTION THAT'S CREATED AND DEDICATED TO CROSSWALKS. NOW HOW DOES THAT SUPPORT OR CHANGE LOUISVILLE'S CURRENT, CROSSWALK GUIDELINES? IT SHOULDN'T MUCH. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD ALREADY INCORPORATED INTO.

WHENEVER WE'RE LAYING OUT A CROSSWALK, ESPECIALLY IN UNCONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS, A AT A SCHOOL CROSSING, WE WERE ALWAYS USING THAT HIGHER VISIBILITY CROSSWALK. SO I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE MUCH. HOW WE DID THINGS WITH CROSSWALKS. WE'VE ALSO BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD, COUNCILWOMAN RUY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I NOTICED THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE USE OF TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES. IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE YOU'RE USING TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES AT ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL AS YOU YOU WOULD BE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING, SPEED HUMPS OR NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE NO BRAINER. BUT THE CURB EXTENSIONS ARE ANOTHER TOOL. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT INFLUENCING THAT DRIVER BEHAVIOR . AND BUT SOME OF THESE CAN GET COST PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH CONCRETE, WE'RE EXCAVATING, WE'RE CHANGING DRAINAGE. SO IT IT CAN GET COST PROHIBITIVE. BUT IT IS IT IS THINGS WE WILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO IF WE EXPECT TO SEE A CHANGE IN OVERALL SPEEDS. OKAY, I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME VERY CREATIVE SOLUTIONS ON ROADS THAT ARE THE WRONG LEVEL TO PUT SPEED HUMPS IN. SO HERE IN LOUISVILLE METRO, YEAH, THERE'S ONE STREET, THEY PUT A CHICANE IN. OH OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S A CREATIVE SOLUTION

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ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME THIS AFTERNOON, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A REALLY QUICK, KIND OF OVERVIEW PRESENTATION ON PARKLETS AND SCHRADERHAUS, WHICH ARE A VERY, I THINK, KIND OF FUN URBAN DESIGN TOOL THAT'S BEING UTILIZED ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING HERE LOCALLY AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS PLACEMAKING AND EVEN INCREASING VITALITY ON OUR STREETS, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY AREN'T VERY AWARE OF. SO, JUST KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT EACH OF THEM ARE, A PARKLET BASICALLY IS A PUBLIC SEATING PLATFORM THAT SERVES AS BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK AND TAKES UP AN ON STREET PARKING SPACE, THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE COMMUNITY SPACES. THEY'RE OFTEN SORT OF CURATED WITH LANDSCAPING OR PUBLIC ART. THEY CAN INCLUDE BIKE OR SCOOTER PARKING. THERE ARE MULTIPLE DESIGNS OVER THESE THINGS, THEY ARE ARE WITH OUR LOCAL POLICIES PROTECTED WITH, SPECIFIC KINDS OF BARRIERS AT THE EDGES TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THEY'RE SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE TO, TO SIT IN AND TO USE, AND THESE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. THE FIRST PARKLET WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED IN 2005, IN SAN FRANCISCO, AND IT'S REALLY TAKEN OFF SINCE THEN. THEY'RE THEY'RE UTILIZED ALL ACROSS THE GLOBE, SO THE OTHER ONE IS WHAT'S CALLED A STREETERY, WHICH I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE TERM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE TERM THAT IT'S BEEN NATIONALLY COINED FOR THESE THINGS. AND A STREETERY LOOKS AND FEELS VERY SIMILAR TO A PARKLET. BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THE STREETERY IS MORE AN EXTENSION OF A DINING SPACE. SO WHEN YOU THINK OF LIKE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIDEWALK DINING WITH PATIO TABLES AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS SET OUT, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF REUSE SOME OF THAT EXTRA SPACE. IF ON STREET PARKING SPACES AREN'T BEING UTILIZED VERY MUCH, THEY COULD THEN BE REDEDICATED AND USED AS A PRIVATE DINING SPACE, AS I SAID, IT SORT OF BUILDS ON OUR EXISTING, OUTDOOR DINING PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, THESE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT THEY REALLY, REALLY KIND OF TOOK OFF DURING THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SIT IN RESTAURANTS AND THE CAPACITY THAT COULD BE INDOOR SPACES, SO THEY STARTED BEING CREATIVE IN A LOT OF CITIES OF LIKE, HEY, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT DRIVING AROUND. LET'S REDEDICATE SOME OF THIS SPACE AND MAKE IT EXTENSIONS OF THESE SORT OF RESTAURANTS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO BE PRIVATE DINING AREAS. AND THEY WERE SO SUCCESSFUL THAT MOST CITIES ENDED UP KEEPING THEM. AND A LOT OF REALLY, ACCELERATED THEIR EFFORTS TO INCREASE THEM IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, I WON'T GET IN THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES ON THE DESIGNS, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW THAT'S APPLICABLE TO BOTH PARKLETS AND STREET TREES, LOCALLY, WE REQUIRE THAT THEY BE LOCATED IN DESIGNATED ON STREET PARKING SPACES. IT CANNOT BE A TRAVEL LANE, A BIKE LANE, A BUS LANE, A BUS STOP, A FIRE LANE, OR ANY KIND OF PEAK HOUR RESTRICTED PARKING LANES. SO IF YOU HAVE THOSE SPACES ON THE CURB THAT SORT OF HAVE THAT CROSS FUNCTION, THEY CAN'T BE THERE, WE HAVE ONLY BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO DO THESE ON METRO ROADS. WE CANNOT DO THEM ON ANY STATE ROADS, THEY NEED TO BE ON STREETS THAT ARE 35 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS WITH A CLASSIFICATION OF MINOR ARTERIAL OR MINOR ARTERIAL, OR LESS. AND THE OPERATIONS ARE INTENDED TO GO FROM APRIL 1ST THROUGH OCTOBER 31ST. SO IT'S NOT TOO, IMPEDE ON ANY KIND OF SNOW REMOVAL OR OTHER EFFORTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AS I SAID, THE

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SO IT BECOMES MORE EXTENSION OF AN ACTUAL RESTAURANTS, DINING AREA. PARKLETS USUALLY REMAIN OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, WHEREAS THE STREET IS USUALLY ARE OPEN CONCURRENT WITH THE BUSINESS HOURS OF THE RESPECTIVE RESTAURANT, ONE OF THE MAIN NUANCES HERE IS HOW WE PERMIT THESE THINGS. FOR A PARKLET. IT'S THROUGH A LICENSE AGREEMENT, THAT CAN COME THROUGH MANY SHAPES AND FORMS, BUT BASICALLY THE APPLICANT WOULD COME TO LOUISVILLE METRO AND WE WOULD SET UP A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD THEN KIND OF COVER THEIR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS SPACE, LAY OUT VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR WHAT CAN DO IT. BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, AN INDEMNIFIES LOUISVILLE METRO FOR ANYTHING THAT MAY HAPPEN ON THE STREETERY, ON THE OTHER HAND, REQUIRES A SIDEWALK OUTDOOR DINING PERMIT, BASICALLY. SO IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF APPLYING FOR IF YOU WANTED TO DO, SOME, SOME TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT ON A SIDEWALK, THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME KIND OF PERMIT THROUGH THEIR PRICE DIFFERENCES, THE LICENSE AGREEMENTS $200 ANNUALLY, THE SIDEWALK DINING PERMIT IS $25 PER TABLE ANNUALLY . PARKLETS MAINTAINED THROUGH AN MOA THROUGH ANY NUMBER OF ENTITIES. THEY CAN APPLY FOR THAT, WHETHER IT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. RESIDENTS METRO GOVERNMENT COULD DO IT, PROPERTY OWNERS, NON-PROFITS. IT'S A PRETTY WIDE RANGING GANTLETS, WHEREAS THE STREETERY ITSELF IS MAINTAINED BY THE BUSINESS. THAT APPLIES FOR THAT, AND IT'S APPLIED FOR BY THAT RESPECTIVE BUSINESS. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING THESE IN LOUISVILLE FOR A LONG TIME, SO THE KIND OF PICTURE AT THE TOP RIGHT HERE IS FROM PARKING DAY, WHICH WAS IN 2006, AND THAT WAS WHEN WE, AS THE CITY TRIED TO WE, WE BASICALLY TOOK, I THINK IT'S JUNE 2ND IS PARKING DAY OR IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT THEY WENT AND DID ALL THESE LITTLE KIND OF INTERVENTIONS FOR, FOR A HALF A DAY, BASICALLY THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN, BAGGED THE METERS, PAID FOR THE METERS, AND THEN THESE INTERVENTIONS ALL THROUGHOUT WE DID A COUPLE OTHER ITERATIONS OF THAT, BUT THEN WHEN WE STARTED TO SEE THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE FINALIZED, FORMALIZED, WE AS METRO ACTUALLY BUILT A PROTOTYPE PARKLET THAT WE'VE USED IN A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES. THE PICTURE AT THE TOP LEFT IS OF THE TABLE OVER IN THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAD THAT THERE IN 2016, VERY SUCCESSFUL. THE PEOPLE REALLY LOVE THAT. WE CURRENTLY STILL HAVE THE PROTOTYPE. IT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED OUTSIDE OF CLAYTON AND CRUME OVER ON SHELBY STREET, NEAR THE NEW NULU, SO THOSE ARE ALL SORT OF PARKLETS THAT WE'VE DONE IN TERMS OF A STREETERY, MONARCH, WHICH IS OVER SORT OF IN THE GERMANTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN OPERATING THERE. STREETERY SINCE THE COVID REGULATIONS SET INTO PLAY. AND PEOPLE LOVE IT. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME. THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING TO MAKE IT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER DESIGN THAN THOSE EVER ATTRACTIVE ORANGE AND WHITE JERSEY BARRIERS THAT ARE ON THE EDGE THERE. SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND ULTIMATELY, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NOT SOMETHING NEW. THESE ARE HAPPENING IN CITIES REGIONALLY, BUT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ALL ACROSS, ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. SO I CAN KIND OF JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THESE PICTURES AND HOPEFULLY THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT THE PROGRAMS ARE AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD HAVE THEM. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD REALLY HELP GENERATE A LOT OF BUSINESS FOR THE EATERIES DOWNTOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A REPORT ON THE DIFFERENCE THAT IT MAKES WITH THEM HAVING THIS AVAILABLE SEATING OR NOT, BUT BUT, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS. I'M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL . THANK YOU. AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT THESE BECAUSE THEY CAN ALSO DOUBLE AS REALLY COOL ART INSTALLATIONS. BUT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT ACTIVATING OUR STREETS. AND I THINK THAT, MISS FLEISCHAKER FROM OUR LAST, COMMITTEE MEETING WOULD BE REALLY EXCITED. OR FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING EARLIER, IT'S PROBABLY SCREAMING YES, YES, YES FOR THESE, AND ALSO MONICA'S AND SCHNITZELBURG, NOT GERMANTOWN. SO SHOUT OUT SCHNITZELBURG. AS I SAID, IT, BUT YES, VERY MUCH HOPING TO SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE ESTHETIC THAN THOSE BIG ORANGE AND WHITE, BARRIERS, SO THAT KIND OF STARTED MY CONVERSATION AND DIVING INTO THIS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL EVERYONE'S WORK, INCLUDING ALS, ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION OR THIS, THESE GUIDELINES. AND I JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY. SO THE OPERATIONS ARE FROM APRIL 1ST TO

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AWESOME, AND GOING BACK TO I JUST HAVE TWO MORE REALLY QUICK QUESTIONS GOING BACK TO THE ANNUAL FEE IS CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO PARKLETS THAT ARE TAKING UP PARKING SPOT METERED PARKING SPOTS VERSUS ONES THAT ARE NOT, SO THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE FEE ON TOP OF IT. THE $200 IS GOING TO BE REGARDLESS FOR THE LICENSE AGREEMENT. IF YOU ARE TAKING A METERED SPACE, PARK DOES REQUIRE SOME SORT OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE FOR THAT LOST REVENUE. BASICALLY THEY'LL USUALLY PROVIDE IT AT A DISCOUNTED RATE, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THAT METER IS. THEY HAVE GOOD DATA ON HOW MUCH TURNOVER AND HOW MUCH REVENUE GENERATION IT IS. SO THEY'LL CALCULATE A FEE BASED OFF OF THAT. IF THERE WASN'T A METER, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE PARKING FEES. THANK YOU. AND THEN LAST QUESTION DOES OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES NEED TO BE UPDATED IN ORDER TO ADOPT THESE NEW GUIDELINES? I DON'T THINK THAT IT DOES. I IT'S OUT THERE AND WE'RE UTILIZING THEM. SO I THINK BASED ON OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE DONE THESE AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE WE'VE BEEN IN THE WRONG IN ANY WAY. SURE. ALSO BUG THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. COUNCILWOMAN RUIZ, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL DID SUCH A GOOD JOB GRILLING YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS LEFT. GREAT. THANK YOU . MR. KING, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, WE WILL NOW BE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION. SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. MISS KAREN,

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[2. ID 24-0270     “STREATERY"/ PACKLET REGULATIONS – Mike King, Office of Planning]

THANK YOU. AND HOW HAS COLLABORATION BEEN ON THIS PROJECT WITH JSPS? WE ARE NOT WORKING DIRECT IN COORDINATION WITH JSPS. WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND WE WILL CERTAINLY BE SHARING RESULTS WITH THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MISS KERN. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION AND LAST DISCUSSION WILL BE, REGARDING THE TOW LOT. AND WE HAVE MAJOR COREY ROBINSON HERE. MAJOR ROBINSON, WHO ELSE DO YOU HAVE WITH YOU? I HAVE LIEUTENANT ARMOND WHITE. OKAY. I'M MAJOR COREY ROBINSON. I'M. I'M THE COMMANDER OVER THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIVISION. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. AND I HAVE LIEUTENANT ARMOND WHITE WITH ME. HE MANAGES OUR TOW LOT AND ALL THE VEHICLE IMPOUNDMENT FOR THE FOR THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE. SO I HOPE I CAN ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT SOME I MIGHT DEFER TO. ARMIN IF I'M NOT ABLE TO ANSWER FOR YOU. WELL I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE, I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY OF OUR PUBLIC STREETS WITH ABANDONED CARS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THERE IS NOT EVER ENOUGH SPACE ON THE TOW LOT, TO MOVE THESE CARS TO. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CARS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS THAT ARE PART OF AN INVESTIGATION, AS WELL AS MAYBE BEING INVOLVED IN HOMICIDES AND SO FORTH. AND SO I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THE REASON WHY THERE WAS STILL A LOT OF CARS ON THE TOW LOT WITH YOUR PROCESS IS FOR GETTING RID OF THE ABUNDANCE OF CARS. I KNOW YOU ALL DO AUCTIONS. IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US SOME PUBLIC INFORMATION ON HOW OFTEN YOU DO AUCTION AUCTIONS, WHAT IS, YOU TURNAROUND TIME FOR GETTING RID OF THESE VEHICLES IS, SO THAT YOU CAN GET A LOT OF THE VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED ON SOME OF OUR PUBLIC STREETS, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG PERIODS OF TIME. OKAY AND I'M SORRY TO ASK ALL THAT AT ONCE, BUT YES, I'M SURE COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL HAS SOME QUESTIONS ALSO. SURE. IT'S NO PROBLEM. I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON A MACRO VIEW, AND THEN I'LL DEFER TO ARMIN ON SOME OF THE, ON THE LOGISTICS CHALLENGES FROM THE FROM THE TOW LOT. SO THE OVERALL VIEW IS A LOT OF THE AREA WAS DECLARED TO BE A FLOODPLAIN. SO THAT DID RESTRICT SOME OF THE SPACE AND THEN SOME OF THE NEW FENCING, ACTUALLY CONSTRICTED SOME OF OUR SPACE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY OUT OF HIS PURVIEW, BUT MORE IN MY WHEELHOUSE THAT I NEED TO DO, I NEED TO KIND OF, LET'S SEE, JUST DO A BETTER JOB ON DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT THE CARS THAT ARE ON HOLD ARE REALLY

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THAT WE DON'T HAVE CARS. IMMA LET ARMIN GIVE YOU THE KIND OF THE NUMBERS ON WHAT WE HAVE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY, STAGGERING NUMBER. WHEN I RAN, BEFORE I CAME. OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW ON THE TOW LOT, WE HAVE 1256 CARS OF THAT 1256, 684 ON HOLD, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WHOLE CARS ARE COMING FROM HOMICIDE AND TRAFFIC. NOW WE HAVE HOLDS, YOU KNOW, ROBBERIES GOT HOLDS. OSP, WHICH IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SEX CRIMES. YES. THEY HAVE HOLDS DIVISIONS HAVE HOLDS TOO. BUT THE BIGGEST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE YOUR HOMICIDE AND TRAFFIC HOLDS. SO 600 PLUS VEHICLES ARE ON HOLD. DO YOU WORK WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THAT'S UP TO THE DIVISION OR THE DIVISION AND OR THE UNIT LIEUTENANTS TO WORK WITH THEM, I MAKE THEM AWARE OF IT. WE DO A QUARTERLY HOLD REPORT. SO WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE SECOND QUARTER HOLD REPORT RIGHT NOW, I'VE HEARD BACK FROM HOMICIDE ON SOME OF THESE CARS, BUT THAT'S REALLY HOMICIDE, LIEUTENANT. OR THE ROBBERY, LIEUTENANT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THE CASES ARE. I DON'T I'M JUST THE PLACEHOLDER FOR THE CARS. SO AT 53% THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER. I THINK WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT BACK OUT, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG NUMBER OF CARS. AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS EACH EACH LEAD ON THOSE CASES HAS THE AUTONOMY TO NAVIGATE THAT. AND IT'S NOT REALLY CENTRALIZED.

MAYBE AS THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD HONESTLY TAKE A LOOK AT. SO THAT HE MAY HAVE A LITTLE MORE AUTONOMY TO DICTATE THAT HOLD. BUT SO YOU LITERALLY MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT LEADS ON DIFFERENT RESPECTIVE CASES. THEN THAT PARTICULAR LEAD IS THE ONE DICTATING THE HOLD ON IT. SO IT'S LIKE HERDING CATS ALMOST TRYING TO GET THEM ALL UNDER, YOU KNOW, UNDER CONTROL, SO TO SPEAK. SO ONCE THE HOLD IS RELEASED, HOW DO YOU GET RID OF THE VEHICLES? SO STATE BY STATE LAW WE CAN AUCTION THEM OFF OR WE CAN SCRAP THEM. IT TAKES 45 DAYS AND WE HAVE TO SEND OUT A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE REGISTERED OWNER WITHIN TEN.

WITH SO THAT WHAT STATE LAW SAYS WHEN THE CAR FIRST COMES IN, WE HAVE TEN DAYS TO SEND OUT A CERTIFIED LETTER THAT NORMAL CERTIFIED LETTER WILL GO OUT IN LESS THAN 72 HOURS, AND THAT WILL EITHER SAY THE VEHICLES ON HOLD OR WE HAVE YOUR VEHICLE, PLEASE COME GET IT AND SO WHEN IF IT'S ON HOLD, THEN WE WILL SEND OUT A SECOND CERTIFIED LETTER WHEN THAT HOLD IS REMOVED AND THAT NORMALLY HAPPENS WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THAT. IF THE OWNER RESPONDS AND COMES AND GETS THE VEHICLE, ARE THEY CHARGED FOR STORAGE FEE? DEPENDS IF THE DETECTIVE OR THE OFFICER SAYS IT'S A VICTIM, THEN NO. BUT IF THEY'RE A SUSPECT, THEN YES. OKAY OKAY, OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. SORRY, I'M CRUNCHING NUMBERS OVER HERE, AND I'M DOING MY BEST. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FROM THE BUDGET, OR HOPEFULLY, BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 23 AND FISCAL YEAR 24, THERE WAS A DECREASE OF $697,645 IN AUCTION REVENUE IN THAT SAME PERIOD, THERE WAS A DECREASE OF 93,356 IN TOW LOT REVENUE. COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS NEARLY A AN $800,000 DECREASE IN REVENUE COMING FROM OUR TOW LOT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE STILL TOWING CARS AND PANDEM PANDEMIC IS OVER. WE SHOULD BE MAKING MORE MONEY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE OUT RIGHT? SO A LOT OF THESE CARS THAT WE'RE TOWING IN ARE STOLEN CARS. AND SO BY METRO ORDINANCE, IF IT'S IF YOU'RE THE VICTIM OF A STOLEN CAR, WE'RE GIVING THESE CARS BACK FOR FREE WITHIN 21 DAYS.

WHAT ABOUT THE AUCTION REVENUE, ALMOST $700,000 LESS. ARE PEOPLE JUST NOT BUYING? NICE CARS ANYMORE? SO SCRAP VALUES WENT DOWN. A LOT OF THESE CARS ARE GETTING SCRAPPED, SO THEY'RE NOT . IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THESE CARS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AND PUTTING THEM BACK OUT ON THE STREET. A LOT OF THESE CARS ARE GETTING SCRAPPED. SO WHEN SCRAP VALUE WENT DOWN, THEIR BIDDING PRICES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN. OKAY. AND MA'AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, JUST FROM A COMMAND STANDPOINT, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT, SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE

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THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT HOW MANY CARS DO YOU TOW ON AN AVERAGE DAY OR IN AN AVERAGE WEEK? ON AN AVERAGE DAY? WE PROBABLY BRING IN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 25 CARS. A LOT OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE STOLEN, THOUGH. RIGHT NOW WE'RE BRINGING IN STOLENS. LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE HYUNDAIS AND THE KIAS THAT THEY'RE STEALING, THEY'RE TAKING THEM TO THE DEALERSHIP, THE DEALERSHIPS DOING THE FIX. IT'S NOT FIXING THEM. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN TIMES WITH STOLEN, STOLEN HYUNDAIS AND KIAS. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN STOLEN VEHICLES, WHICH IS YOUR JEEPS, YOUR CHRYSLERS, YOUR DODGES, AND I'M TOWING 15 TO 20 OF THOSE A DAY INTO MY CAR MAKE YET. SO GOODNESS GRACIOUS, I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE IF YOU SAID YOU HAD 1256 TOTAL ON THE LOT RIGHT NOW AND ABOUT 700 OF THOSE 684 ARE, ON HOLD, THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S 572 CARS THAT ARE AT THE CAR LOT. AND IF ABOUT 20 TO 25 CARS ARE GETTING TOWED A DAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY LEAVE THE LOT AT THE SAME RATE. AND SO CAN WE SPEAK TO HOW WE CAN LESSEN THAT, LIKE 5 NUMBER LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE A LOT OF THE STOLEN CARS, THE OFFICERS ARE JUST TOWING THEM IN. THEY'RE NOT CONTACTING THE OWNER, THEY'RE JUST TOWING THEM IN. WE'VE NOW ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO IS INSTEAD OF TOWING THAT CAR HERE TO US, CONTACT THAT OWNER, HAVE THAT OWNER COME OUT TO WHEREVER YOU ARE AND GET THAT CAR FROM YOU. AND THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO TOW IT. AND THAT WAY IT'S A ONE LESS CAR ON OUR TOW LOT, NOW MORE CONTEXT TO THAT NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY TODAY. IT'S KIND OF A PERFECT STORM NUMBER FOR TODAY. WE'RE JUST COMING OUT OF OUR OUR DERBY SEASON. SO WE HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TOWS ALL THE WAY FROM THE THUNDER UP INTO THE WEEKS AFTER DERBY, ALL THROUGH THE PGA, WE DID SOME RECENT, INITIATIVES WITH THE, WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH, WITH, WITH THE RESULTS FROM THAT, THAT IT WAS VERY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT DID CREATE AN INFLUX COUPLED WITH A WE HAVE A SCHEDULED AUCTION, AT THE END OF THIS WEEK. SO THAT AND THAT AUCTION WILL, THAT WILL LOWER THE NUMBERS. SO YOU HAVE THIS, WE'RE COMING OUT OF A BIG EVENT SEASON AND THEN WE HAVEN'T HAD THE AUCTION. THAT KIND OF BUTTS UP AGAINST THAT. SO WE WILL SEE A DECREASE IN NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS WEEK IS UP AFTER THE AUCTION. KIND OF TAKES IT DOWN WITH A MAYBE A COUPLE HUNDRED CARS. IT'S YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 140 CARS RIGHT NOW. THE NEXT AUCTION IS ABOUT 225. THE AUCTION AFTER THAT'S ABOUT 260 CAR WISE. AND LAST I GUESS, STATEMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE A QUESTION YOU WILL WON'T ANNOUNCE IT. BUT, IF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND LMPD HAD ANY, PLANS FOR AN AMNESTY PERIOD COMING UP, WE WOULD LOVE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. WE WERE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING THAT ON THE WAY IN THIS MORNING, THIS TODAY.

IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN PUT OFF JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE BIG DETAIL STUFF AND BECAUSE WE'RE ALL PULLED EVERY WHICH WAY. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING STORM CLEANUP. WE'RE HELPING MOVE CARS SO WE CAN GET THESE TREES CUT UP AND GET POWER RESTORED AND ALL THAT. SO YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE

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OKAY. ANOTHER ONE? I OKAY, SUBURBAN. YOU USE A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR. OKAY I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD COME AND GET MY CAR. I WAS I HAD MY NECK BROKEN THREE WEEKS AGO.

BROKEN FOOT. MY FATHER HAD MY CREDENTIALS, MY LICENSE, MY REGISTRATION GOES IN TO RETRIEVE THE CAR SO I DON'T GET CHARGED $30 A DAY, AND THEY SAY NO, I HAD TO COME. SO I HAD TO BE PUT INTO A CAR, TAKEN TO THIS PLACE, AND THEN I COULD SIGN HOW DO I WHAT DO IS THERE A PROCESS TO GIVE A DESIGNATED PERSON OVER TO, TO GIVE MY WHERE I CAN? WE CAN EXPEDITE THIS. RIGHT. SO STATE LAW THAT'S THE STATE LAW PART OF THAT. AND SO IF WE HAVE A NOTARIZED STATEMENT FROM THE OWNER OF THE CAR, ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO PICK UP THE CAR, IT HAS TO COMPLETELY LIST THE CAR, COMPLETE VIN YEAR, MAKE MODEL CAR OR POWER OF ATTORNEY WOULD WOULD WORK FOR THAT KIND OF A SITUATION. SO IN THIS CASE IT WAS A FATHER WITH THE REGISTRATION WITH THE TITLE. BUT IT SAYS REGISTERED OWNER. THE STATE LAW SAYS REGISTERED OWNER OR SOMEBODY IF HE'S IN A COMA THAT WOULD BE POWER OF ATTORNEY. NOW IS THERE A COMA? NO, SIR. NOW I'M GOING TO, I THINK I CAN ANSWER BOTH QUESTIONS FROM THE FROM YOUR CONSTITUENT AND THEN YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHICH I'M VERY, NOT HAPPY WITH HOW THAT HAPPENED. FOR THE RECORD, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. THAT IS THE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE STIPULATED, AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE RULES WE HAVE IN PLACE. BUT WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A HUMAN ELEMENT, WE NEED TO PROBABLY TAKE A STEP BACK. AND AS SIMPLE PHONE CALLS. SO JUST SOME COORDINATION MOVING FORWARD. HEY, THIS SITUATION'S UNIQUE. AND LET ME SPEAK TO A SUPERVISOR. AND SO WHEN THAT GETS TO ME OR HIS LEVEL, WE CAN PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY MAKE A LOGICAL DECISION ON IT. SO YES, THAT IS THE RULE AND THAT'S HOW THINGS ARE DONE. BUT IN THE SITUATION LIKE IN YOUR CASE, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING WHERE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME AUTONOMY WHERE I CAN I CAN COME DOWN THERE AS SIMPLE, HEY, IS THIS PERSON REALLY WHO HE SAYS HE IS? AND WE HAD A RECENT SITUATION WHERE A SON PICKED UP A CAR FOR A DAD. THE DAD DIDN'T KNOW IT. THE SON SAID THE DAD DID. THE DAD WAS UPSET WITH US. SO WE CAN FALL BACK AND SAY, HEY MISTER, SIGN, WE CAN'T RELEASE YOUR CAR BECAUSE WE JUST DID THAT LAST WEEK AND IT ENDED BADLY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, STILL COORDINATE WITH A WITH SOMEONE IN THE ON THE SUPERVISORY LEVEL MANAGEMENT LEVEL AND LET IT GET TO OUR LEVEL, WHICH SHOULD NOT BE VERY HARD TO DO, SO YOU WANT IF I'M, IF I'M SITTING IN ALL DUE RESPECT, YES. I'M LAID UP IN THE HOSPITAL, I'M IN A COMA AND I'M INCAPACITATED AND I CAN'T GET TO MY DESIGNATED OR WHATEVER, A COURT APPOINTED, WHAT'S MY RECOURSE IS, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A LITTLE MORE INVESTIGATION IN, IN THE SITUATION. ANOTHER IS ANOTHER SITUATION WITH THE THIS PARTICULAR CASE. CASH ONLY IS THAT IS THAT A IS THAT NORMAL? THAT'S A SUBURBAN RULE. THAT'S A SUBURBAN RULE. CASH ONLY. AND WE AND WE CONTRACT WITH SUBURBAN, SAY THE ONLY CASH ONLY. YEAH I, I COULD ADDRESS THAT WITH, WITH ERVIN. WELL THAT THAT'S THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SAYING IT'LL BE CASH ONLY AND MY PEOPLE CASH ONLY, SOMETHING IS GOING ON THAT THAT AND WE KNOW WHY WE DO CASH ONLY YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BAD ACTORS OUT THERE, AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN. YOU USE ONLY CASH. WE GOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A RECORD ON THAT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN STIPULATE IN THE IN THEIR CONTRACT AND MAKE THAT IN WRITING SO THAT SO THEY CAN TAKE

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THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. AND PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH US ON THAT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. WE'LL DO.

THANK. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI HAS WITHDRAWN HIS QUESTION. SO WE THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HER

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