May 22, 2024 Budget Hearings FY 2024-2025 (trimmed)

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[ ID 24-0279     Facilities and Fleet Management]

ACTUALLY, THE WAY IT'S I'M SORRY IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SURE MARK SALAM, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND FLEET MANAGEMENT FOR METRO. SO THE WAY IT'S SPLIT UP IS THERE'S 250,000 FOR, A SPACE STUDY, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE METRO PORTFOLIO OF PROPERTY AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE OWNED AND LEASED, TOO OFTEN WHEN AN AGENCY NEEDS TO RELOCATE, WE KIND OF SCRAMBLE AND FIND SPACE AND KIND OF LOOK AT IT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND SQUEEZE PEOPLE IN, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY THIS WOULD BE A PROJECT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, WHAT COULD WE DO? AND TO DEVELOP A PLAN THAT WILL TAKE US THE NEXT 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. REAL SIMILAR. THE STATE GOVERNMENT OF TENNESSEE DID THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, ENDED UP REDUCING THEIR FOOTPRINT BY SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND, SQUARE FEET. ALSO SAVED, I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE THE EXACT FIGURE, BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE SOME LEASES, ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO SELL SOME FACILITIES THAT THEY MAY NOT NEED ANYMORE. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS JUST TAKE TAKE A HIGHER LEVEL VIEW OF OUR WHOLE PORTFOLIO. THEN THE 100,000 IS TO LOOK AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC QUICKLY. AND, TO GET A GOOD FIRM NUMBER ON UPGRADING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAMPUS. OKAY. THANK YOU, I IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHEN WE LOOK AT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S DEFERRED, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE VERSUS WHAT'S LIKE GENERAL MAINTENANCE, IN, IN FACILITIES, YOU HAVE JUST ONE. YOU CALL EVERYTHING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYTHING IS DEFERRED, SOME THINGS ARE JUST GENERAL REPAIRS. SOME THINGS ARE THAT ARE THINGS THAT BREAK DOWN THAT YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING, PARKS HAS TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS. THEY HAVE A GENERAL REPAIRS ACCOUNT, AND THEN THEY HAVE A DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT. ABSENT HAVING A STRUCTURE LIKE THAT, ARE YOU ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS AND. YEAH, SURE. I KIND OF TELL YOU THE WAY WE APPROACH IT IS I GUESS WE'RE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT IN THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET IS GENERAL MAINTENANCE, A LOT OF OUR OPERATING EXPENSES IS BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY DOING REPAIRS TO FACILITIES, THE SMALLER REPAIRS OR THINGS THAT WOULD BE, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, ALL WOULD COME OUT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET. AND THEN WE DO THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BUDGET, WHICH IT BASICALLY HANDLES FOR US PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE LOWER THAN, SAY, HALF MILLION. AND WHEN WE GET TO THOSE LARGER PROJECTS, WE GENERALLY TRY TO MAKE A BUDGET REQUEST, A STANDALONE BUDGET REQUEST FOR THOSE YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, THE OLD JAIL ELEVATORS AND UPGRADES TO THE OLD JAIL ARE PULLED OUT SEPARATE. SOAUSE 600,000 IS, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY BIG HIT OUT OF THE 3 MILLION. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY WE TRY TO SPLIT IT OUT. AND LIKE I SAID, BETWEEN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, WE TAKE RECURRING COST AND SOME OF OUR SMALLER, JUST REGULAR MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THE BIGGER TICKETS THAT ARE FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU, I'D ASK THE CLERK TO, CALLS RECORD REFLECT THAT. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, AS WELL AS JOINED BY COUNCILMAN BLACKWELL, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SORRY. I'M STILL GETTING SETTLED HERE, BUT I THINK, FIRST AND FOREMOST, LET'S JUST GET OUT OF OUT OF THE WAY.

I DON'T THINK YOU ALL PRESENTED A, AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. DID YOU? WE DID, YOU DID. WE'VE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT WHAT GRADE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET, SO. OKAY, WELL, IF IT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN THERE, B I THINK IT'S A VERY SOLID B I DON'T, I DON'T HONESTLY ALMOST

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MASTER PLAN LEVEL, AND THAT, 15 MILLION WOULD MOVE THESE PROJECTS TO THE THROUGH THE NEXT STAGES OF DESIGN. LAST QUESTION AND I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. WHAT DETERMINES WHICH PARKS, YOU ALL TAKE CARE OF VERSUS PARKS AND RECREATION? IS IT JUST PROXIMITY? THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LOCATED DOWNTOWN? HONESTLY, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT, DRIVE PEOPLE

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OKAY SO, AND THAT LEADS TO, MY NEXT QUESTION. I CAN JUST KIND OF WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE IT IS I KNOW SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK, BUT ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW ABOUT MYSELF AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, WE DRIVE THROUGH ALLEYS, WE DO AN ABUNDANCE OF THINGS IN OUR OWN VEHICLES, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING PRETTY ROUGH OUT THERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, DEFINITELY. ON BEHALF OF DISTRICT ONE, WHAT WOULD I NEED TO DO AND WHAT WOULD THAT BUDGET LOOK LIKE, FOR METRO COUNCIL TO GET POLICE CARS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OUR LIVES IS PUT IN DANGER EVERY DAY WHEN WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD JUST BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE OVERALL FLEET. YOU KNOW, FUNDING WOULD NEED TO BE INCREASED, ADD EXTRA VEHICLES IN THE NAME OF METRO COUNCIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO, OBVIOUSLY, COUNCILWOMAN HOPKINS HAS JOINED US. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN HE CAME IN.

COUNCILMAN HUDSON, COUNCILMAN OWEN. COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. AND I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCILMAN MARIANI OVER THERE, YOU'RE ALREADY THERE. I JUST DIDN'T LOOK TO MY LEFT. SORRY WHO'S COUNCILMAN ARTHUR? THANK YOU. CHAIR, A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR BUDGET EQUITY GOALS. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU STARTED TRACKING MINORITY VENDOR SPENDING SINCE FISCAL YEAR 22. WHEN WILL YOU PUBLISH? EACH FISCAL YEAR. SINCE THEN. AND HAVE YOU MADE ANY PROGRESS SINCE THEN? WELL, WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS. AND, WE HAVE WE ARE TRACKING IT. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSION ISSUE WHEN WE, SWITCHED FINANCIAL SYSTEMS FROM LEAP TO WORKDAY. WE'RE TO THE POINT NOW WE CAN, PUBLISH THOSE REPORTS, AND WE'D BE GLAD TO SHARE WITH YOU, IT'S IN A HIGHER BMI FORMAT, AND YOU CAN TRACK, WHO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY WITH AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT AGAINST OUR GOALS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY, IT'S GOOD THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP TRACK, AND WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY WITH EVERY CONTRACT THAT WE, PUT OUT, WE LOOK AT WAYS TO WORK WITH THE HRC TO, INCREASE THE PARTICIPATION OF OUR PROJECTS. AND WE ARE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS, AND WE ARE THANKFUL THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN TRACKING IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. I'D ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO UPDATE THE PUBLIC FACING DASHBOARD THAT'S IN THE EQUITY IMPACT STATEMENTS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT DOES STOP AT FISCAL YEAR 22. AND A RANDOM QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR BUDGET FOR BUILDING NEW PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND OR DRINKING WATER FOUNTAINS, NO, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ON THE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE FLEET'S PARTS ACCESSORY SUPPLY.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T. WE DIDN'T SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT, ABOUT FOUR POINT FOR BUDGETED SPEND, ABOUT 3.4. AND OF COURSE, WE STILL. YOU'RE NOT TO COMPLETE TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. YOU MAY STILL HAVE SOME ROOM THERE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOW WE'RE BUDGETING 5.2. DOES THAT COME BACK TO THE ISSUE OF, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT YOU? YOU HAVE ALL THE WHAT WHAT TRUCKS AND WHAT FLEET VEHICLES YOU NEED TO REPLACE. DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE MONEY TO REPLACE THEM. IS THAT SO? IS THIS JUST A GROWING COST BECAUSE OF THAT? YES, SIR.

AND LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, AUTO PARTS ARE GOING UP. THE COST OF AUTO PARTS ARE ALWAYS TRY TO TELL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, OUR BUDGETS MIGHT BE THE CLOSEST ONE THAT YOU ALL SEE LIKE LIKE YOUR

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TALKING ABOUT OWNERSHIP, I WAS ALSO WONDERING, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, I BELIEVE, AND I'D HAVE TO PULL IT UP. THERE WAS, ABOUT $15,000 TO REPLACE THE BOILER AT SLUGGER FIELD. HOWEVER, IN THE LIST OF FACILITIES, THE BUILDING INVENTORY THAT'S NOT MENTIONED. IN ADDITION TO MEMORIAL AUDITORIUM. SO I WAS WONDERING, WHY AREN'T THOSE ON THE LIST? AND CAN WE DEPEND ON THAT LIST AS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THERE, SLUGGER FIELD IS OWNED BY LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT, PER THE LEASE, IT'S LEASED TO THE GROUP THAT OPERATES THE BATS. IT'S, PER THAT LEASE, WE HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITIES FOR CAPITAL REPAIRS. WE PHYSICALLY DON'T DO ANY WORK THERE, BUT SOME OF THEY, THEY PRESENT A CAPITAL PLAN. AND OUT OF OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, WE USUALLY EARMARK SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, FOR THEIR PROPERTIES AS, AS FAR AS MEMORIAL AUDITORIUM, I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY COMMISSION. AND UNLESS THERE'S FUNDING SPECIFICALLY ALLOCATED TO IT, OUR GROUP REALLY HAS, NOTHING THAT WE DO THERE. BUT THE LIST WE SENT IN KIND OF, WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE, ALL THE FACILITIES, WHETHER LEASE ARE OWNED, THAT WE TOUCH IN SOME WAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF METRO PROPERTIES THAT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A LEASE OR DIFFERENT AGREEMENT, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO OR THEY WANT TO BE UNDERNEATH OUR PURVIEW. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

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COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. YES. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD HAVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE RELOCATION, OF THE, LMPD HEADQUARTERS. SURE, OBVIOUSLY, IT THE OLD FACILITIES COME DOWN, YOU CAN SEE OVER THERE'S NOW A GRASS LOT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO, WILL REMOVE THAT FENCE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. WILL BE INSTALLING A PERMANENT FENCE, BACK THERE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE REVENUE COMMISSION TO PROTECT SOME OF THE MECHANICALS BACK THERE. BUT THEN THAT GREEN SPACE WILL BE OPEN AS AS FOR 601 WEST CHESTNUT. SO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TO DATE IS, WE HAVE OUR, THE DESIGN TEAM, WHICH IS BRANDSTETTER CARROLL, WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER ON BOARD, CALHOUN CONSTRUCTION AND JLL IS SERVING THE ROLE AS AN OWNER'S REP, FOR METRO GOVERNMENT ON THAT PROJECT, INTERNAL DEMOLITION OF THAT BUILDING HAS BEGUN. SO SO YOU PROBABLY, IF YOU DRIVE BY, SEE SOME ACTIVITY STUFF COMING OUT OF THAT BUILDING, WE ARE TARGETING BIDDING, CONSTRUCTION OVER THERE AT THE END OF JULY OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, WITH CONSTRUCTION STARTING LATER THAT FALL. AND THIS WILL BE A PHASED PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE FOURTH FLOOR AND SOME OF THE MECHANICALS UP IN INITIALLY. AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT FOURTH FLOOR COMPLETE AND THE GROUPS THAT WILL BE OCCUPYING IT AT THE END OF CALENDAR YEAR 2025. FOURTH FLOOR IS THAT IS TALL AS WE GO. YES, MA'AM. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL BE PHASING IT. THIS WILL BE, IN ORDER TO GET THIS GOING, WE WORKED WITH LMPD ON WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES WERE TO GET IN THAT BUILDING. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF SCATTERED AMONGST DIFFERENT FACILITIES, AND GETTING UNDER ONE ROOF WAS A PRIORITY OF THE CHIEF. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE HAPPEN. AND THAT FOURTH FLOOR WAS THEIR PRIORITY TO GET DONE FIRST. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE IS, DO WE HAVE ANY, CONCRETE PLANS FOR AN LMPD TRAINING FACILITY? AND IF NOT, I BELIEVE WE ALLOCATED A FEW MILLION DOLLARS IN A PRIOR BUDGET, FOR THE ACQUISITION OF LAND. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE PLAN, CAN WE JUST REUSE THAT MONEY? SO THAT MONEY WAS ACTUALLY ALLOCATED IN LMPD'S BUDGET, SO WHAT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THAT IS HIRED A GROUP TO DO A MASTER PLAN TO SEE HOW MUCH SPACE WAS WOULD ACTUALLY BE NEEDED TO ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THEY NEED FOR THAT, THAT'S NEARING COMPLETION TO WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BASICALLY A MENU OF ITEMS OF EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE ON THAT TRAINING CAMPUS AND A COST FOR IT AND HOW MUCH SPACE IT WOULD TAKE THAT WILL REALLY ALLOW US TO HELP LMPD IDENTIFY THE BEST SPOT FOR THAT. THANK YOU. I MEAN, MY PRIORITY IS TO GET IT DONE. BUT FRANKLY, IF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS NOT GOING TO PRIORITIZE TO GET IT DONE, THEN I JUST WANT TO MOVE THAT MONEY TO SOMEPLACE WHERE IT'LL BE USED. SO WE'LL WAIT FOR THE STUDY AND WE'LL WE'LL HEAR BACK FROM THAT SHORTLY, DO YOU GUYS I REMEMBER YOU DON'T DO CORRECTIONS, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE ONLY PART OF CORRECTIONS WE REALLY DEAL WITH IS THE UPPER FLOORS AT THE HALL OF JUSTICE. OKAY AND WE HAVE HELPED THEM ON SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS, IN YEARS PAST. BUT, WE DON'T DO ANY REGULAR MAINTENANCE

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CLOSE TO THAT SAME TIME FRAME TO, COMPLETE THE TRANSFER, COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU.

CHAIR, WHAT'S THE RATIO OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE THAT IS OWNED VERSUS LEASED, I WOULD HAVE TO RUN THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. I MEAN, GIVE ME A BALLPARK ON THAT, JUST. I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING. AND I KNOW SOME OF THE SPACE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY 600 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF THE 2.8 MILLION IS THE GARDENS. SO WE LEASE, JUST OVER 1,000,000FT■!S OF PROPERTY. SO THIS THIS STUDY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS A KIND OF A 30,000, FOOT LOOK AT AT THAT PORTFOLIO. CORRECT. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT PORTFOLIO AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. CORRECT. WE KNOW WE WORK IN A LOT OF OLDER FACILITIES, FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN CHOPPED UP. AND ARE BEING USED FOR THEIR FIFTH, SIXTH AND SEVENTH LIFE, SO WE COULD PROVIDE BETTER SPACE. AS I MENTIONED, PEOPLE WORK DIFFERENTLY NOW THAN THEY USED TO. THE WAY THIS THE WAY THIS, STUDY WOULD BEGIN IS SURVEYING ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT GROUPS ABOUT THE KIND OF SPACE THEY HAVE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES WE ACTUALLY ARE UTILIZING THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS OF THEM. AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND LOOK AT WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO USE OUR OWN SPACE, WHETHER OR NOT, OUR LEASE SPACES, WHETHER THEY CAN BE CONSOLIDATED, POTENTIAL TO ACTUALLY SELL SOME OF OUR FACILITIES, POTENTIAL WE

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HOW MANY OFFICES DO YOU NEED? HOW MANY ARE MORE COMMON WORK SPACES? WHAT AREA OF TOWN DO YOU NEED TO BE IN? ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I WOULD HOPE WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE IN A CALENDAR YEAR. IT'D BE SOMETHING WE'LL PUT A BID OUT TO DO. OKAY AND SIMILAR TO MY FIRST QUESTION, WHAT DO IN TERMS OF OUR FLEET, PARTICULARLY THE PASSENGER VEHICLES, HOW MANY OF THOSE WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT ARE INTERNAL COMBUSTION VERSUS EV? I DON'T HAVE, THE, PERCENTAGE, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE 20. AND WHAT IS OUR WHAT IS OUR APPROACH TO NEW TO NEW VEHICLES? ARE WE FOCUSING ON ONE OR THE OVER THE OTHER? THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ISSUED I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2020, 2021 WHERE WE WOULD TRY TO CONSIDER EITHER HYBRID OR EV WHEREVER IT'S, FEASIBLE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, ESPECIALLY ON OUR SMALLER FLEET.

THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT FLEET IS DEFINITELY FURTHER BEHIND, THE COST IS, SIGNIFICANT. IT DOESN'T HAVE AS PROVEN OF A TRACK RECORD, BUT SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE PUT IN, 25 EVS. WHEN WE STARTED, I GUESS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE HAD ONE EV IN THE FLEET, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 25 EVS. WE HAVE 77 HYBRIDS. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE ARE PRIORITIZING, ESPECIALLY AMONGST OUR, SMALLER FLEET. AND HAVE YOU NOTICED THE CERTAINLY THE PRICE OF EVS HAS COME DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY EVEN IN THE PAST YEAR. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT THAT, COST BENEFIT CALCULATION SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY UPDATED AND WOULD BE EVEN GREATER THAN IT WAS EVEN A YEAR AGO. IT'S COMING DOWN. AND ALSO AVAILABILITY IS GETTING BETTER, THAT WAS ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE KIND OF MADE AN INITIAL PUSH, AND THEN WE COULDN'T GET OUR HANDS ON ANY OTHER UNITS. YOU KNOW, WE BUY A LOT OF FORDS.

FORD'S GETTING MORE INTO EVS, THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN PREVIOUS CYCLES, SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE. AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH OMB AND, ANY KIND OF CREDIT THAT WE MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT HELPS US STRETCH OUR DOLLARS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. WE'RE PURSUING AS WELL. AND WHAT'S OUR WHAT'S OUR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE LOOK LIKE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT CONTINUED PUSH SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, THAT WE'RE GROWING, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING A BID, WITH AS PART OF OUR CROSS-FUNCTIONAL TEAM THAT KIND OF LOOKS AT EVS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BID THAT'LL LOOK AT, CHARGING STRUCTURE FOR METRO AS A WHOLE, WHERE OUR OWN FLEET IS A PORTION OF IT, BUT ALSO ADDING, CHARGERS FOR MORE OF OUR CITIZENS WILL ALSO BE PART OF THAT. SO WE'RE DOING A STUDY ON THAT CURRENTLY, AS FAR AS CHARGING STATIONS, WE HAVE THREE AT FLEET SERVICES. WE HAVE, FOUR AT THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CENTER. WE HAVE TWO AT THE EDISON CENTER. WE'RE GETTING READY TO ADD FOUR ON ARMORY, AND THEN WE HAVE 12 GOING IN AT, ADDITIONAL AT THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT AND 12 AT THE SOUTHWEST GOVERNMENT CENTER. AND OUR INTENTION WOULD BE THAT THE, PORTION OF THOSE WOULD BE FOR, METRO FLEET ONLY. THAT'S A THOSE ARE KIND OF PARKING LOCATIONS FOR A LOT OF OUR CODE INSPECTORS WHERE THEY LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES THERE. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LEAVE SOME PARKING FOR GENERAL PUBLIC CHARGING AS WELL. THANK YOU. I'LL GET BACK IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN PARRISH. RIGHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, MR. DIRECTOR, THE GOOD THING IS, BY THIS TIME, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, BUT I HAD ONE ABOUT. I KNOW WHEN PUBLIC WORKS. PUBLIC WORKS WAS HERE. THEY ASKED ABOUT. THEY SAID THEY HAD AN ISSUE NOT AS MUCH WITH THE FUNDING AS MUCH AS THEY DID WITH CONTRA ACTORS. CAN YOU TELL ME, HOW MUCH OF YOUR BUDGET GOES TO CONTRACTS, THAT WILL BE A NUMBER I'LL HAVE TO GET FOR YOU. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. RIGHT OFF MY TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, WE'VE HAD SOME AREAS OF OUR OPERATION THAT WE'VE HAD A REALLY TOUGH TIME HIRING FOR RIGHT NOW, OUR HVAC MECHANICS, WHICH IS, GENERALLY A TEAM OF SIX, WE HAVE TWO, SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TEAMSTERS NOW, AND WE HOPE THAT THAT, THE WAGE RATES WILL INCREASE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, HIRE MORE FULL TIME HVAC TECHS.

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THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN EVERYTHING FROMED LIGHT UPGRADES TO BUILDING AUTOMATION SYSTEMS THAT CONTROL SETBACKS FOR THE BUILDINGS AND WHATNOT. THERE'S HVAC PROJECTS THIS YEAR.

WE HOPE TO GET TWO SOLAR PROJECTS DONE, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, WILL WILL CONTINUE ON. THANK YOU, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT SOLAR PIECE, TOO. AND JUST TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING WITH OWNING LOUISVILLE METRO, OWNING SO MANY BUILDINGS IS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ENGAGE IN MORE CLIMATE FRIENDLY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN, YES, IF YOU CAN KEEP US UPDATED AND I WILL CHECK OUT THAT DASHBOARD ON THE BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. ONE THING I'LL MENTION ON THE SOL IS, THE WAY THE ENERGY INNOVATION FUND IS SET UP IS, SOLAR IS KIND OF CAPPED AT 15% OF THAT ERGY INNOVAON FD. ATRO GUINRE PROJECTSHAT HAVE A QUICKER AN SIX YEAR LEAD TIME OR SIX YEAR PAYBACK TIME, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING A LOT OF LIGHTING RIGHT NOW TO BUILD THAT FUND UP. BUT HOPEFULLY IN YEARS TO COME, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE SOLAR EACH YEAR. COUNCILMAN KRAMER, THANK YOU, I HAD A JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'LL GET OUT AND GET BACK IN THE QUEUE, THE MAYOR ANNOUNCED THAT HE'S PROPOSED TO A LONG TERM CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLA AND ONE OF THE PROJECTS WAS THE CITY HALL ANNEX ROOF REPLACEMENT. WHEN DO YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE THAT, I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT TO YOU. WE DID THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S APPROACH OF LOOKING AT CAPITAL IS MORE OF A FIVE YEAR PLAN. SO WE DID THE SAME THING. WE TOOK THAT, OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE LIST AND TRIED TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE THE CITY HALL ANNEX ROOF IS. OKAY, IT'S ON THAT FIVE YEAR. AND YEAH, POSSIBLY IN THIS

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THAT'S NOT THERE, BUT IT'S RENOVATIONS. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 65,000. THAT'S ALSO RENOVATIONS. THAT'S NOT ON THAT. SO WE RAN THAT REPORT OUT OF WORKDAY AND SO WHAT IT WAS PICKING UP IS INDIVIDUAL POS. SO A PROJECT MAY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT POS BECAUSE WE'RE USING DIFFERENT ANNUAL CONTRACTERS. SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE ANSWER TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS YOU'RE WE'RE THAT'S A PROJECT WE USED OUR ANNUAL CONTRACTORS ON. SO CARPET MAY BE ONE PORTION MOVING A FURNITURE MAY BE ANOTHER PORTION, AND ON DOWN THE LINE.

SO IT SHOWS UP SEVERAL TIMES IN THAT REPORT. OKAY. SO IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS TO WE COULD ABSOLUTELY ROLL IT UP FOR YOU, IT'S WHEN WE, DID THE REPORT OF WHAT WE SPENT OUR MONEY ON IN FY 24, WE JUST PULLED IT STRAIGHT OUT OF WORKDAY AND WHAT THOSE POS WERE.

SO YOU'D GET THE FULL PICTURE. OKAY. YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY ROLL IT UP. YEAH. THANKS. JUST JUST TO TRY TO MATCH UP WHAT WE EXPECTED VERSUS WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST US. SURE GREAT. THANKS, AND THEN I'M GOING TO MERGE MY LAST TWO QUESTIONS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, LEASING OR RENTING VERSUS OWNING. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. FIRST, I DO BELIEVE IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE FOR US TO PURCHASE THAN TO LEASE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE MAKING LEASE, OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY IS MAKING A PROFIT ON THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO AUTOMOBILES, THOUGH, THERE COMES A POINT AT WHICH IT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT AUTOMOBILE OFF YOUR, YOU KNOW, OFF YOUR BOOKS BECAUSE YOU'RE SPENDING MORE ON REPAIRS THAN YOU ARE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WOULD WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY WORTH TO KEEP REPAIRING IT RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WHAT'S THAT TRANSITION LOOK LIKE FOR YOU GUYS? AND I DON'T MEAN JUST FOR, FOR PASSENGER CARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE DRIVE SOME OF THOSE LARGE VEHICLES FOR MULTIPLES OF YEARS, WHICH IS I THINK IF YOU GET ALL THE MONEY OUT OF THEM, THAT'S GREAT. BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE, WHERE IS THAT POINT? AND THEN WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF LEASING VERSUS OWNING, YOU SAID THAT AS EDISON CENTER, WE'RE BACKFILLING THAT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE WE CAN CONSOLIDATE DOWN. AND WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION IN OFFICE SPACE, ESPECIALLY IN DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE RIGHT NOW. SO, I'M CURIOUS, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT ARE WHAT ARE OUR PLANS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE MARKET AND GET OUT OF LEASED SPACE ENTIRELY SO THAT WE ACTUALLY OWN THE BUILDINGS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE WITH US. THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A REASON TO LEASE A SPACE FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, WELL, OMB IS NOT IN RENTED SPACE, BUT AIR POLLUTION CONTROL, THEY'RE IN LEASED SPACE AND THE CLERK IS IN LEASED SPACE, THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR US TO HAVE THOSE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT WE KNOW ARE ONGOING IN LEASE SPACE, ESPECIALLY TO YOUR POINT, IN THE CURRENT MARKET WHERE WE COULD FIND BETTER ALTERNATIVES. SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO BOTH OF THOSE, PLEASE. SURE. I'LL START WITH VEHICLES. THANK YOU. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE WENT PRETTY FAR DOWN THE ROAD INVESTIGATING LEASING OUR FLEET. AT THAT TIME, WE KIND OF STOPPED, BECAUSE, PART OF THE REASON WE WERE DOING THAT WAS WE THOUGHT SOME OF THESE BIG NATIONAL COMPANIES WOULD HAVE BETTER PURCHASING POWER. AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON VEHICLES QUICKER THAN WE WERE DOING BECAUSE WE WERE SEEING SUCH LONG LEAD TIMES. WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT WASN'T TRUE. THEY WERE STRUGGLING EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS WE WERE, ANGIE AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING THIS LAST WEEK, AND, IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE OPINION OF OMB THAT LEASING, YOU KNOW, IS NECESSARILY A GOOD THING. I THINK ANGIE IS VERY OPEN TO THAT IDEA. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL INVESTIGATE. DOING AN RFP ON JUST WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO LEASE OUR FLEET, INCLUDING HEAVY EQUIPMENT, AND ALSO MOVE

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SO HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS COMING FORWARD WITH THAT. OKAY. GREAT. THAT'S THAT IS SUPER GOOD TO HEAR IN A BUILDING LIKE THAT. THAT APPEARS TO BE IN ON THE EXTERIOR ANYWAY IN IN QUITE, YOU KNOW, STURDY CONDITION AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE, ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO HISTORIC TAX CREDITS FROM THE STATE LEVEL, IT WOULD BE CRAZY TO TEAR IT DOWN, IN MY OPINION.

THE BUILDING DOES HAVE, SOME VENEER ISSUES. THAT'S WHY THE, SCAFFOLDING IS THERE. RIGHT? AND THE WAYLON, GROUP THAT'S WORKING ON THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE FULLY AWARE OF THAT AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO ADDRESS IT. BUT AGAIN, COMPARED TO TEARING DOWN AND STARTING OVER.

ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT THAT BACK INTO USE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THAT AND HAVE ACCESS TO STATE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS, MAYBE FEDERAL CREDITS, TOO, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO, AS WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MONEY. THE PIE IS A CERTAIN SIZE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR MONEY, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LINE ITEMS HERE. CITY HALL, CLOCK TOWER, WHERE WE'VE GOT 700. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE $796,000 SITTING THERE FROM AN ORIGINAL BUDGET OF 850. IS THAT WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT PROJECT, AND IS THAT MONEY AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING ELSE? SO, THAT THAT WAS, FUNDING THAT WAS, ALLOCATED. BUT WHEN WE BID THAT PROJECT, WE GOT NO BIDDERS, WHEN WE BROUGHT IN SOME CONTRACTORS THAT DO THAT TYPE OF WORK, THEIR NUMBERS WERE CLOSER TO 3 MILLION, TO GET THAT WORK DONE. SO SO, WE WOULD, AT SOME POINT LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON TO THAT AND GET THAT PROJECT DONE. IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CLOCK TOWER. AS FAR AS IN THE CLOCK FUNCTION ITSELF, AND ALSO THE LIGHTING WITHIN THE CLOCK TOWER. IS THAT REALLY CREATION OF MONEY SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE COMING BACK TO US OR OR HOW SPECIFIC WAS THE ALLOCATION? I JUST SAY JUST CITY CLOCK HALL, CLOCK TOWER. IT'S PRETTY GENERAL. WE SPENT SOME WELL, IT'S, ODD FIGURE THERE IS.

WE SPENT SOME INITIAL FUNDS JUST DOING A STRUCTURAL SURVEY ON IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET UP THERE TO, PUT A PRETTY COAT OF PAINT ON IT, ONLY TO FIND OUT WE HAD STRUCTURAL ISSUES. SO WE DID SPEND SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO DO THE STRUCTURAL SURVEY AS WELL. THERE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER LINE ITEMS, INCLUDING NEW NEWBERG ANIMAL SHELTER PROJECT THAT HAS ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS SITTING. LOOKS LIKE IT'S SITTING THERE. SO THAT WAS ONE THAT, THOSE FUNDS WERE GENERATED VERSUS FEES THAT PEOPLE PAY WHEN THEY GET THEIR PET LICENSE TO GO TOWARDS THE SHELTER BUILDING A NEW SHELTER. WE'VE KEPT THOSE FUNDS THERE TO SERVE AS AN ENDOWMENT FOR THAT FACILITY. IT IS A COMPLEX FACILITY. WE ALWAYS SAID WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THAT THING, IT'S AS MUCH OF A HOSPITAL ALMOST AS IT IS AN ANIMAL, SHELTER, IN TERMS OF HVAC EQUIPMENT, WHATNOT. SO WE HAVE THOSE FUNDS THERE THAT WE VIEW AS AN ENDOWMENT TO MAKE REPAIRS AND KEEP THAT FACILITY BE A TOP CLASS FACILITY. AND SO WHAT WHERE THAT MONEY BE SITTING CURRENTLY? WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT SITTING IN A IN A BANK ACCOUNT THAT'S EARNING INTEREST? IS THAT SITTING? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT. NO, IT'S JUST A CAPITAL ACCOUNT. WHAT WHERE IT ACTUALLY SITS. AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS BETTER THAN TO ME IF WE'RE JUST IF WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT'S AN ENDOWMENT THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE IT SOMEWHERE THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY WORKING TO MAKE MONEY AS OPPOSED TO SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT DOING NOTHING. WELL, ANGELA DUNN, CFO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR, CASH IS INVESTED, SO WE DO EARN INTEREST ON ANY MONEYS THAT WE HAVE. SO. AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. EXACTLY BUT CHANCES ARE THIS FACILITY WAS BOND FUNDED, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THOSE PROCEEDS. AND THEN THEY CONTINUE TO, BE REINVESTED AND UTILIZED. SO IT'S NOT IN A SPECIFIC BANK ACCOUNT CALLED AN ENDOWMENT FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES LOCATION, BUT THE MONEY IS MANAGED AND INVESTED APPROPRIATELY, ALONG WITH ALL OTHER METRO FUNDS. GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PIACENTINI. QUICK COUNCILMAN HUDSON. THANK YOU. CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO SAVE THIS QUESTION FOR, THE POLICE, BUT I THINK IT ON SECOND THOUGHT, IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR FLEET. THE LINE ITEMS FOR THE HELIPAD LEASE

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AND I REMIND PEOPLE AS OFTEN AS I CAN, PLEASE DON'T WALK ANYWHERE NEAR THAT BUILDING.

THOSE YELLOW BRICKS ARE NOT VERY FIRMLY AFFIXED. THAT SCAFFOLDING THAT'S THERE IS NOT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION . THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE ON THAT BUILDING. THERE HASN'T BEEN CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE ON THAT BUILDING. NORMALLY WHEN YOU SEE THAT SCAFFOLDING, YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING ABOVE YOU THAT SCAFFOLDING IS BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID BRICKS WILL START FALLING OFF THE BUILDING, AND THERE'S NOT AN EASY WAY TO FIX THEM.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO PUT RODS IN AND TO PULL THAT THAT MASONRY BACK IN AGAINST THE BUILDING.

AND ANYWHERE THERE'S A CRACK IN THAT MASONRY WHICH EVERY ONE OF THOSE BRICKS HAS MASONRY BETWEEN IT, IS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR YOU GOING FORWARD. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST PROPPING IT UP, SEVERAL STUDIES SAID YOU NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN. IT'S JUST NOT IN GOOD SHAPE. AND THEN WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE SPACE INSIDE THE BUILDING, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, IT'S NOT LAID OUT IN A WAY THAT THAT TO YOUR POINT EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE SO CHOPPED UP.

THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE. THAT BUILDING WASN'T DESIGNED TO HAVE OPEN SPACES. THE BOILER ROOM, I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON. THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS ABOUT THAT BUILDING THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC. I'M SURPRISED THAT THAT, THE WAYLAND GROUP HAS COME IN AND SAID THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. WE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME AN OUTSIDE ENTITY HAS SAID, OH, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY FOR US ONLY TO COME BACK LATER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WRONG, WE CAN'T DO THIS. SO MY SINCEREST HOPE IS THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLOCATED THAT DEMOLITION MONEY, THAT IT STILL SITS IN THAT POT, AND THAT WHEN WAYLAND COMES BACK AND SAYS WE WERE MISTAKEN AFTER DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WE REALIZED WE CAN'T DO THIS, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE MONEY TO TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AND LOOK AGAIN. I'LL I'LL SAY, I STARTED WHERE YOU ARE, IF WAYLAND VENTURES CAN FIND A WAY TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS AND THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL IN. BUT WE'VE HEARD THIS A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES, THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THEIR DUE DILIGENCE PHASE, WHICH DOES NOT INSTILL LOTS AND LOTS OF CONFIDENCE IN ME. SO WE'LL SAVE THIS DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN ON THIS BUILDING. I DO THINK YOUR POINT ABOUT FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUILDING SPOT ON, IS IT JUST IT IS AN EFFICIENT OFFICE SPACE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING, MORE APARTMENT TYPE THINGS THERE. AND IT COULD BE, A BETTER USE OF THAT THE WAY THE FOOTPRINT IS OF THAT BUILDING. RIGHT AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX LITERALLY RIGHT BEHIND CITY HALL, RIGHT BEHIND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL, WITH THE PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT TO IT. AND AGAIN, THEY DISCUSSED THAT AS A POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL FACILITY ONCE BEFORE. AND IT JUST IT

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NOW IT'S 270,000. DID DID SOMETHING CHANGE THERE, OR WAS THAT COST ACCOUNTED SOMEWHERE ELSE BEFORE? I THINK IT WAS, COUNTED SOMEWHERE ELSE BEFORE. SO IT WAS MIS BUDGETED. AND THEN WE HAVE ADDED SOME OTHER FACILITIES, OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH, LIKE THE LMPD SUMMIT, AND SOME OF OUR FACILITIES ON THE C3 CAMPUS OR ADDITIONS THAT WERE NOW CARRYING. BUT I THINK THAT IS RIGHTSIZING THE BUDGET. OKAY. GOOD. THANKS. AND THEN, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON A QUESTION THAT, COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL ASKED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LEASING SPACE IN, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL HAD ASKED ABOUT A LOOK AT THOSE SPACES THAT WE OWN THAT WE MIGHT BE LEASING OUT, I NOTE THAT WE'RE MOVING OUT OF THE LMPD IS MOVING OUT IN MAY, AND THAT BASIL'S ACADEMY IS MOVING IN. WILL WE BE COLLECTING RENT FROM BASIL'S ACADEMY AND IF SO, JUST IF YOU COULD. I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'D GET HER A LIST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE LEASING OUT, I JUST WOULD PUT AN ASTERISK BY THAT ONE. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. HONESTLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A LEASE PAYMENT. I THINK IT'S IT FOR THEM TO PROVIDE SERVICES. THE WAY THE LEASE IS WRITTEN.

WRITTEN IS THEY WILL UTILIZE THAT FACILITY TO PROVIDE THE PRESCHOOL SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S A THEY'RE NOT PAYING US FOR THAT FACILITY. SO IF WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION OFFLINE. BUT I BELIEVE ALSO IN COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL'S DISTRICT , THERE IS A PARK THAT WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SALVATION ARMY BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICES, AND WE LET THEM USE THE PARK SPACE IN EXCHANGE FOR OVER THE YEARS, THEY ARE NO LONGER PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES. BUT THE WAY THE CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE ACCESS, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE, CONTROL OF THAT SPACE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY INITIALLY AGREED TO PROVIDE. AND WE'LL DOUBLE BACK TO THAT AT SOME POINT. BUT AS WE ENTER INTO THIS CONVERSATION WITH BEZOS, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE WE KEEP AN EYE TOWARDS SO THAT WE DON'T FIND OURSELVES IN A SIMILAR SITUATION IN PUBLIC WORKS THAT WE'RE IN, IN PARKS, AND THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM FOR TODAY. BUT JUST A HEADS UP ON THAT ONE, AND THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION FOR NOW, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. WELL, COUNCILMAN KRAMER HAS MY EYE OVER HERE TWITCHING WITH THE MENTION OF THAT PROPERTY IN WYANDOTTE PARK, THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE MY LAST ONE, THERE'S $50,000 THAT'S ADDED TO YOUR BUDGET FOR TRAINING AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A PILOT THAT IS, GOING TO, PARTNER WITH GTC TO PROVIDE TRAINING FOR ENTRY LEVEL STAFF THAT WILL, EVENTUALLY MOVE ON TO SKILLED POSITIONS, THE INITIAL FUNDING WOULD ALLOW FOR FIVE EMPLOYEES OF THIS PROGRAM, AND SO THAT WOULD BREAK DOWN TO $10,000 PER PERSON, ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS BY LOUISVILLE METRO OR THE EMPLOYEES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM? I THINK PART OF THAT WOULD BE IS THERE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT FOR RETENTION FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME, FOR THEM TO WORK WITHIN LOUISVILLE METRO AND THEN LOOKING AT SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS PROGRAM, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A PILOT AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT IF IT WORKS, BUT ARE THERE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING IN CONJUNCTION WITH WITH KENTUCKIANA WORKS FOR THEM TO BRING THIS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF PROGRAMING THAT THEY PROVIDE, I THINK THEY HAVE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND CONSTRUCTION NOW, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT PROGRAMS. IF IT WOULD BE A MECHANIC, HVAC TECHNICIAN, ALL OF THE ABOVE, BUT IS THAT SOME SORT OF, COLLABORATION THAT WE CAN HAVE WITH KENTUCKIANA WORKS? I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS FOR OUR GROUP THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, SO THE INTENTION TO YOUR FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF KIND OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES COMING INTO THIS PROGRAM THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH METRO FOR A CERTAIN TIME AFTER RECEIVING THE TRAINING. WE ARE REALLY JUST IN THE INFANCY OF DEVELOPING THIS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE FUNDED, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY IT STILL NEEDS TO PASS THIS BODY BEFORE IT'S FUNDED. BUT THE INTENTION IS I MENTIONED WE DON'T HAVE, WE CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE HVAC MECHANICS, YOU READ ALL OVER THE PAPERS THAT SKILLED LABOR IS DOWN. WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS WITHIN FACILITIES THAT ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CAREER WITH METRO GOVERNMENT, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE UP WITH METRO GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE LIKE A LABOR FORCE THAT IS UNTAPPED THERE. SO THIS WOULD BE LOOKING AT A WAY THAT WE CAN GIVE SOME OF OUR STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE, LEARN A SKILLED TRADE, PROMOTE, BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN METRO. IT HELPS US, OBVIOUSLY,

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OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT QUESTION, COUNCILMAN OWEN. I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT ACTUALLY, THE TWO PLACES IN IN REAL ESTATE THAT I TRUST THE LEAST ARE IN OUR BIDS ON ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION AND ON DEMOLITION. BUT EXPERIENCE HAS TAUGHT ME THAT IT'S WHY HAD I BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE SIGNED OVER THE URBAN GOVERNMENT CENTER FOR A DOLLAR, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PLACES. THOSE ARE TWO PLACES WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE ALWAYS WRONG.

THEY'RE ALWAYS WRONG. SO, THAT HORSE IS WAY OUT OF THE BARN, BUT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WRAPS US UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. WE'LL GIVE, THE POLICE CAN COME DOWN AND WE'LL GET STARTED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. YES. THANK .

THANK YOU.

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[ ID 24-0280     Louisville Metro Police Department]

COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL AND COUNCILMAN MCCRANEY. COUNCILMAN SAWANT. ALL RIGHT, SO IF I CAN GET THIS UNRULY CLASS NEXT TO ME TO SETTLE IN HERE, WE'LL GET STARTED. SO IT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO SAY WITH THIS CROWD. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ARE YOU BETTER TO SAY THAT WHEN PUBLIC WORKS IS IN FRONT OF US OR SOMEBODY LMPD'S, AGAIN, THERE WILL NOT BE MAKING OPENING COMMENTS AND WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL QUESTIONS FROM THE BEGINNING. JUST REMIND YOU THAT, AS WITH ALL OF THESE ACTUALLY, THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH LMPD'S $242.2 MILLION PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET, $6.1 MILLION CAPITAL BUDGET, AND YOU DO HAVE, SOME OF THE CONVERSIONS, SAME CONVERSIONS, ISSUES THAT, DON'T ALLOW US TO MAKE GREAT COMPARISON BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND THE TWO YEARS PRIOR, WELCOME, CHIEF, I WANT TO START BY ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THE BUDGET. SO LAST YEAR, I WAS. AND I WAS VERY EXCITED. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE MONEY THAT YOU PUT IN TO, IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TO ENHANCE YOUR RECRUITING STRATEGY. ABOUT $1 MILLION. WE'RE VERY EXCITED. YOU'RE GOING TO DO LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BECAUSE IT'S A I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE WORLD, AND WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS, HOWEVER, THIS YEAR'S REDUCES THAT KIND OF IN HALF. WELL, NOT KIND OF. IT CUTS IT IN HALF, SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STRATEGY AND WHY WE WOULDN'T NEED THE, THE FULL MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR THAT WE NEEDED LAST YEAR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. AND GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, SO WHEN WE WERE GRANTED THE MILLION DOLLARS. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. I'M SORRY, CHIEF JACKIE HARWELL WITH LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WHEN WE WERE GRANTED THE MILLION DOLLARS, DEFINITELY IT WAS NEEDED, TO GET US ON A PATH OF GREATER RECRUITMENT EFFORTS. AND SO IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE COMPANY THAT WE WERE ALREADY USING RED TAG AND ENHANCE THAT BUDGET OF ADDITIONAL $250,000. THERE HAVE BEEN A DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB IN THAT SPACE, OF MORE VIDEOS, MORE MARKETING THAT IS TARGETING THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THAT WE WANT TO JOIN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO COME ON BOARD. THE OTHER COMPONENT WITHIN THE FUNDING WAS TO DEVELOP A RECRUITING AND COMMUNITY POLICING APP. THIS RECRUITING AND POLICING APP WILL BE DUAL PURPOSE, OFFICERS WILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY NOW THAT WHEN WE'RE THEY'RE GOING TO A CALL OF SERVICE TO NOT ONLY ANSWER THE CALL OF SERVICE, BUT TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO ENHANCE AND BUILD COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS BY SEEING WHAT ELSE IS THERE, WHAT ADDITIONAL NEED, THAT THE COMMUNITY PARTNER IS, IS SEEKING OR NEED AND SO AGAIN, THAT IS ON THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED, AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN ROLL THAT OUT BY THE 1ST OF JUNE. BUT IN THAT APP THEY'RE ABLE TO ALSO TO DO SOME RECRUITING EFFORTS. AND SO IT'S DUAL. WE'RE GOING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE NOT JUST IN AND OUT, BUT WE HAVE IN CONVERSATIONS. BUT IF THEY SEE SOMEONE THAT NEEDS SOME FOOD, IF THEY SEE SOMEONE THAT THE LIGHTING SOURCE IS NOT REALLY GREAT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THEM WITH OTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE DOING THE WORK AND THAT WHICH WE SUPPORT, AND THEN LINK THEM UP IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THOSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES. SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS GOING BEHIND, GOING BEYOND THE CALL.

AND BUT IT'S SERVING DUAL PURPOSE AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE CAN ASK INDIVIDUALS ARE THEY INTERESTED IN JOINING LMPD, DO THEY HAVE ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS? THEN WE'RE ABLE TO LOAD IN THEIR INFORMATION AND THEY GO STRAIGHT TO OUR RECRUITMENT PERSONNEL, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND KEEP IT GOING. AND SO THAT MONEY WAS WELL NEEDED, AND WE'RE SEEING SOME GREAT DIVIDENDS, BUT I WILL, ADVISE BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD APPROVED THE CONTRACT AND IT IS

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SO CAN YOU JUST MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US? YES, SIR. SO WE, THE GOAL IS TO DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. AND SO I GOT TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN THAT MINDSET OF WE CAN'T JUST REST ON WHAT WE DID BEFORE WE GOT TO DO BETTER AND SEE HOW WE CAN INCREASE THAT. SO THAT'S THAT GIVES YOU THE 15, BUT ALSO TO WHAT WE'RE FINDING WE'RE RUNNING INTO, COUNCILMAN, IS THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE MINORITY VENDORS ARE LIMITED TO SUPPORT LMPD. AND SO IF WE CAN GET THE CAPACITY FOR SOME OF OUR VENDORS UP, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT. THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO THEM AND FOR THEM TO MEET SOME OF OUR ASKS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY, WE JUST NEED MORE MINORITY VENDORS THAT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVICE SUCH A LARGE DEPARTMENT SUCH AS OURS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT STATEMENT. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S IN THAT SAME STATEMENT YOU MENTIONED THE RACIAL EQUITY TOOLKIT BEING USED TO REVIEW POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. HAVE YOUCTLLY CHANGED POLICIES AND PROGRAMS BEUS OF THAT REVIEW WI THE TOOLKIT WE HAVE A WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY WE CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU ACCURATE INFORMATION. THANK YOU. AND LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE EQUITY IMPACT STATEMENT GOALS.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE HILLIARD HINES REPORT. RECOMMENDATION 2.26 IS ABOUT ELIMINATING THE EXECUTION OF NIGHTTIME SEARCH WARRANTS, UNLESS THE COURT DETERMINES THOSE ARE NECESSARY.

THE STATUS OF THIS ON THE DASHBOARD SAYS UNDER REVIEW. COULD YOU JUST SHARE AN UPDATE OR WHAT'S THE HOLDUP WITH THAT? YES, SIR. SO WHILE WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS WITH THE DOJ , AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WILL BE ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION, BUT WE ALSO TO HAVE ANOTHER, COUNTY ATTORNEY ON BOARD WITH LMPD, WHO WILL ALSO TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE SEARCH WARRANT, ACTION ITEMS, SO WE CAN DO BEST PRACTICES, BUT WE ARE OPEN, TO REVIEWING ALL OF THAT. AND THAT'S A PART OF THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS WITH THE DOJ. SO WE ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING CONSIDERATION. YES, SIR. JUST THE AMMUNITION BUDGET WAS ABOUT HALF HALF A MILLION.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SPENT ABOUT 92,000 AS OF MARCH. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE PROPOSED INCREASE AND THE SAME QUESTION COULD BE APPLIED TO THE WEAPONS BUDGET THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT IN ITS ENTIRETY AS OF MARCH? YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT BEING INCREASED IF WE WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO SPEND, FUNDING? THAT WAS LESS THAN THAT. YES, SIR. SO I'M GOING TO LET, COLONEL MCKINLEY SPEAK TO THAT, BECAUSE SHE'S OVER THE TRAINING AND SO SHE CAN JUST WALK IT DOWN FOR YOU AS TO WHAT THAT IS AND HOW THE ROLLOUT FOR THE DEPARTMENT TAKES PLACE AND HOW WE HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN ORDERING THIS, EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE WE ARE A LARGE AGENCY AND EVERY BODY, IS USING MORE THAN LIKELY THE SAME VENDORS, BUT SHE CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON IT FOR YOU.

SURE. HELLO, EMILY MCKINLEY. I'M THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND IMPROVEMENT BUREAU. SO THE QUESTION ABOUT FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION BUDGET. THIS IS A FREQUENT QUESTION IN THE BUDGET HEARINGS. AND OFTEN FIREARMS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED, AMMUNITION HAS BEEN PURCHASED.

IT JUST HAS NOT, THE MONEY'S BEEN ENCUMBERED. IT HAS NOT HIT THE BUDGET YET. SO IF YOU'RE SEEING MONEY THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT, THE PURCHASE HAS BEEN MADE. IT JUST HASN'T BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO THE BUDGET YET, AND WE DO PLAN ON, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO PURCHASE FIREARMS AND REPLACING FIREARMS FOR OUR OFFICERS THAT WE STAFF AND HIRE. AND I CAN GET YOU I CAN GET YOU

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CHAIR. HEY. HOW ARE YOU, CHIEF? YES, MA'AM. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ITEM LINES OF MISCELLANEOUS EQUIPMENT. WHAT IS THAT? EQUIPMENT. MISCELLANEOUS EQUIPMENT. WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON ? I DON'T KNOW, PAGE. I JUST WENT THROUGH IT AND I WROTE MY QUESTIONS DOWN. I CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. WE LOCATE THAT, ALSO . I'M GONNA ECHO OFF MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, I JUST SEE A LOT OF UNCLEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT CAMERA, PHOTOGRAPHIC SUPPLIES AND UNIFORMS AND CLOTHING SUPPLIES, WOULD ANY OF THAT EQUIPMENT FALL UNDER BODY CAMS? THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDERNEATH YOUR TECHNOLOGY. OKAY, FOR THE BODY CAMS. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ALSO TO WHICH ALSO TO INCLUDES, THE EXPANSION OF AXON. SO ALL THAT FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT PURVIEW OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY EXXON CAN YOU IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, YES, MA'AM, NICOLE, I'M THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUREAU. AXON IS, YOU KNOW, COLLOQUIALLY KNOWN AS TASER. IT'S JUST THE PARENT COMPANY OF TASER, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY PRODUCE TASERS. THEY ALSO PRODUCE OUR, OUR BODY CAMERAS, FLEET SERVICES WITH CAMERAS IN CARS, THAT WE UTILIZE THEM QUITE A BIT. OKAY. SO, WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. SO WE HAVE ALL THIS EQUIPMENT. IT LOOKS LIKE LAST YEAR, IT WAS 302,000. WAS ALLOCATED LAST YEAR FOR BODY CAMS, AND, SEEMS LIKE THAT WE HAVE, SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ALLOCATED FOR EQUIPMENT. WHY COME NONE OF THIS EQUIPMENT SEEMS TO BE GETTING UTILIZED? I'M GETTING BEAT UP, BECAUSE OF THAT BEING THE TRUE PUBLIC SAFETY. IF. YOU GOTTA HELP ME. HELP YOU? YES, MA'AM. WE CAN'T FUND, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS NOT BEING USED , SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO. I'M GONNA NEED SOME CLARITY. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS, FOR THE EQUIPMENT? IS THERE ARE THEY SPEAKING TOWARDS OUR BODY ARMOR? I MEAN, WHAT ARE THEY SPEAKING TO? I'M SORRY. JUST ANY EQUIPMENT THAT TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR, THEY. IT HAS TO BE UTILIZED OR OR WHAT ARE WE BUYING IT FOR? BODY CAMS. ANY OF THAT, IT'S. WE SHOULD NEVER HEAR. WELL, THE BODY CAM WAS NOT ON. WE SHOULD NEVER HEAR THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE PURCHASED. THOSE ITEMS FOR. SO, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER WE WON'T FUND THEM OR THEY'LL START GETTING UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE. BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, HELP ME HELP YOU. YES, MA'AM. I CAN'T HELP IF EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND, YOU KNOW, I'M. I FEEL LIKE. I WANT TO FUND THE POLICE. ANY ANY TOOLS. I

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BUT I SUBMIT WE CAN NEVER GO WITHOUT THAT UTILIZATION OF THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. AND WE'RE IN A SPACE NOW, THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING AND WANT TO SUPPORT OTHER AGENCIES WHO ARE BEHIND THE CURVE FROM NOT GETTING THEM. AND SO, AGAIN, WE ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE IT IS NEEDED. AND THAT'S THE SPACE THAT WE'RE IN, ANY EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE NOT THAT YOU FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT USING, I JUST NEED TO DRILL DOWN ON THAT SO THAT I CAN GIVE A ANOTHER BETTER EXPLANATION TO YOU AS TO YOU HEARD THIS ON THIS END, AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY OR THIS IS NOT THE CASE. AND WE OVER HERE. SO THEN I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU WITH ALL ACCURACY OR LET ME, FOR A BETTER LACK OF WORDS, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YES, MA'AM. WHAT TOOLS DO YOU NEED? WHAT FUNDS DO YOU NEED? OKAY AND I'M NOT LIVING IN THE PAST. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LEISURE. THE YEAR BEFORE BREONNA TAYLOR. I'M TALKING. I'M TALKING ABOUT CURRENT. WHAT TOOLS DO YOU NEED FROM US? WHAT FUNDING DO YOU NEED? WHAT ITEM LINE IS IN HER THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN HER? SO SO, YOU KNOW, OR IS IT YOU NEED SOMETHING BETTER FOR WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED? OKAY, SO THE LINE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT'S WHAT I NEED. AND THEN ALWAYS IN ADDITION TO I WILL ALWAYS LOBBY FOR MORE FUNDING AS FAR AS TRAINING IS CONCERNED. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IF I HAVE MORE FUNDING FOR TRAINING, THEN I'M ABLE TO SEND MY LEADERS TO EXCEPTIONAL TRAINING, THAT OTHER COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO, BUT ALSO TO I'M ABLE TO BRING SOME, SOME REALLY NOTABLE INDIVIDUALS TO LOUISVILLE TO HELP TRAIN OUR LEADERSHIP AND EVEN AT THE RECRUIT LEVEL WHEN NECESSARY.

ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS IT RELATES TO THE RECRUITS, THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR, AS YOU HEARD WHEN I PRESENTED SENDING RECRUITS TO WASHINGTON TO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE, TO EXPERIENCE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM AND TO GO TO, THE JEWISH MUSEUM, AND TO EXPERIENCE A LAW ENFORCEMENT MUSEUM AND TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THAT SPACE TO HAVE TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION AS TO THE TRAUMA THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE EXPERIENCED, THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE EVER BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO.

THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I NEED TO DO THAT WHILE THERE TO RECRUIT, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE EVEN READY TO STAY ON TO RAISE THEIR HAND IN FRONT OF ME, TO BE AN OFFICER. THAT'S THE FUNDING, THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT IS NEEDED IN ORDER FOR ME TO FUEL THEM AND TO AND TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE COMMUNITY HAS STATED, BUT ALSO TO BE A BETTER PROGRESSIVE DEPARTMENT IN SEEING WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ACTUAL NEEDS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE HERE TO MOVE US FORWARD. SO YES, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. YES. THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I NEED. AND AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE FUNDED SO MUCH FOR LMPD AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. I CAN'T SIT HERE AND NOT ADVISE YOU OF THAT. I GET IT, SOME CUTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE. I ACCEPT THAT, AND, AND WE HAVE TO JUST DEAL WITH THAT AND MANAGE IT. BUT TECHNOLOGY HERE AND ALL THE OTHER LINE ITEMS I DO NEED, I'M ASKING FOR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR TRAINING, SO THEN I CAN GET US TRULY AND CONTINUE TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE. SO, MA'AM, I'LL ASK ONLY ONE QUESTION FOR NOW. I'LL JUMP BACK IN THE QUEUE LATER. THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS A BIG ONE, THOUGH. WE ARE AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, AND EVERY WEEK WE GOT A REPORT OF HOW MANY SCHOOLS DID NOT HAVE CROSSING GUARDS. SO, THE MAYOR INHERITED THIS PROBLEM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THE REALITY IS, THOUGH, HE'S BEEN IN OFFICE NOW FOR WELL OVER A SCHOOL YEAR, AND WE STILL FINISH THE YEAR WITH OUT

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BUT WE GOT TO GET THAT CONTRACT DONE. AND SO IT'S, IT'S CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE PAY IS GOING TO BE.

ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS WITHIN THAT CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE MADE. AND SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, ONCE THAT IS DONE. BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY THERE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE BEST PEOPLE OUT THERE. I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN WE CAN TURN THIS AROUND. THANK YOU. YES FOLLOW UP ON WHAT? YOU JUST. YES. AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP, ESPECIALLY AS JCPS IS CHANGING ITS START AND LEAVE TIMES NEXT YEAR AND KIDS ARE GOING TO BE IN IN CROSSWALK AT DIFFERENT TIMES THAN PEOPLE EXPECT THEM. AND DURING RUSH HOUR, MORE THAN NOT, I THINK THIS NEXT SCHOOL YEAR IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS.

THANK YOU. YES. AND ALSO TO A COLLABORATION WITH, JCPS, POLICE AS WELL, THOSE BODIES AND HELPING US FIGURE THIS OUT AND SO WE CAN GET, PEOPLE OUT THERE. AND NOT TO COMPLICATE FURTHER, BUT ADD TO THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT JCPS IS HAVING WITH BUSSES AND YOU HAVE MORE PARENTS TRANSPORTING STUDENTS MORE FREQUENTLY TO SCHOOLS WITH DIFFERENT TIMES. AND JUST WE CAN GO ON. YOU GET WHY THE COUNCIL THINKS THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL AND I SHARE THAT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN PIAGENTINI. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU AND THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, PARDON ME FOR YOUR WORK AROUND THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BLUNTLY GREAT TO SEE THE ARMY OF LAPD OFFICERS THAT WERE OUT THERE. WE DON'T GET TO SEE AS MANY IN THE EIGHTH DIVISION, CERTAINLY IN SHELBYVILLE ROAD

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SO THOSE POSITIONS WERE NEEDED POSITIONS FOR LAST YEAR AND APPRECIATE THE FUNDING. AND NOW A FEW OF THOSE POSITIONS I WILL BE LOOKING AT RECLASSIFYING THEM AND OR ABSORBING THEM, BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND SO, YOU'RE COMPLIANCE, DIRECTOR, YOU HAVE TWO OF THOSE NOW WE'RE READY BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS WITH THE DOJ, AND WE SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING. THOSE NOW CAN BE ADVERTISED TO BE, READY TO BE HIRED. SO AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS, IT'S JUST IT'S A CAREFUL STRATEGY. ARE WE READY? RIGHT NOW. BUT WE NEED THEM BECAUSE WE'RE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER. AND NOW WE ARE. AND SO BUT THOSE ARE NEEDED POSITION.

IF SOME POSITIONS THAT I WILL JUST LOOK AT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T NEED THIS POSITION ANYMORE. WE CAN JUST ABOLISH THAT. BUT THESE WE DO OR RECLASSIFY THEM, TO OTHER POSITIONS THAT I NEED CIVILIAN INVESTIGATORS. THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS WITHIN OUR PERSONNEL ALLOCATION. BUT NOW SINCE THE STATE HAS PUT INTO LAW, AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN, THAT WE CAN REHIRE CIVILIAN INVESTIGATORS WHO WERE FORMER HOMICIDE INVESTIGATORS. GUESS WHAT? NOW I CAN TAKE THOSE POSITIONS AND RECLASSIFY THEM TO CIVILIAN INVESTIGATORS, BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE. THEY'RE ALREADY A POSITION. JUST RENAME THEM AND SO I CAN GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS HIRED TO GIVE TO THE HOMICIDE UNIT, BECAUSE WE'RE THIS VIOLENT CRIME. SO THOSE. THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE DOING RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE, HOW I CAN RECLASSIFY SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS. BUT A BULK OF THOSE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED AND FILLED. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUNCILWOMAN RE THANK YOU. I WANT TO START. I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE BODY CAMERAS, AND I KNOW HUMANS ARE FALLIBLE. HUMANS GET CAUGHT IN SITUATIONS AND JUST SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, YOU FORGET. ARE THERE SYSTEMS AVAILABLE ALL TO ENSURE THAT A BODY CAMERA IS ACTIVATED. LIKE IF LIKE IF THEY ACCEPT THE CALL THE BODY CAMERA AUTOMATICALLY IS ACTIVATED AND THINGS LIKE THAT AVAILABLE. I DON'T THAT TECHNOLOGY IS NOT

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YEAH. IF AN OFFICER TURNS ON THEIR LIGHTS, IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY ENGAGE A BODY CAMERA. IF I WERE TO DRAW MY FIREARM, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY, START RECORDING. BUT THERE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES IF, IF THE BATTERY IS DEAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN NO, IT WOULDN'T TRIGGER ANY OF THAT. BUT NOT GETTING A CALL AND IT IMMEDIATELY COMES ON. WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. SO THE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE TRIGGERED. THEN THE BODY WORN CAMERA IS ACTIVATED, JUST LIKE YOU SAID IN THE IN THE SIGNAL SIDE ARM PULLING YOUR WEAPON OUT IS ACTIVATED. BUT JUST TO GET A CALL IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY COME ON. OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE, TRAININGS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS PRACTICED ON A REGULAR BASIS? JUST, I MEAN, LIKE PRACTICE. LET'S PRACTICE THIS. MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO THIS, YOU NEED TO HIT THAT. ALL OF OUR OFFICERS ARE VERY. THEY SHOULD KNOW POLICY, AND AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE, FALLIBLE, WE HAVE SOME INCIDENTS THAT OFFICERS ARE NOT ACTIVATING OR FORGET TO ACTIVATE IT, OR THEY MISS AND JUST FORGET AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE IT COMES TO, FOR OUR COMMANDERS AND SUPERVISORS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, THAT THIS IS A NOTABLE INFRACTION AND WE JUST GOT TO ADDRESS IT, BUT ALL OF OUR OFFICERS ARE SAVVY. IT IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO UTILIZE THEIR BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. CAN WE PUT OUT ADDITIONAL ROLL CALL TRAINING ON IT? ABSOLUTELY. AS A REMINDER, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN DO THAT.

THOSE NUGGETS OF TRAINING THEY CAN GO OUT AS BULLETINS. DON'T FORGET, PUT UP A BILL, PUT UP A SIGN IN THE IN THE DIVISION. WE CAN DO THAT. DON'T FORGET AS A TRIGGER TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST CONTINUOUSLY THINKING ABOUT THAT THIS IS A PART OF YOUR EQUIPMENT AND THAT WE EXPECT FOR YOU TO USE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO ON TO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OKAY? OKAY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR VEHICLES AND THE IT WAS NOTED THAT THE BUDGET IS DECREASING, WHICH BROUGHT A QUESTION TO MY MIND, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT EVENTUALLY GETTING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, EVS, THEY'RE LOWER MAINTENANCE. THE FUEL EFFICIENT, THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS HIGHER. THE ACCELERATION IS BETTER IF YOU YOU GUYS LOOKED INTO BRINGING THOSE INTO YOUR FLEET? WE HAVE NOT, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO IT. AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOME OF THE CUTS WITHIN, THAT ARE AGAIN, THOSE NOTABLE CUTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE TO ALL DEPARTMENTS AND FOR OUR, FOR OUR VEHICLE, BUDGET TO BE SHORTED BY A MILLION, A MILLION PLUS. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M CONFIDENT TOO, THAT IF WE RUN INTO JUST MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I REALLY NEED FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, THAT I WILL MAKE THAT REQUEST. BUT WE CAN EXPLORE, ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE CAN EXPLORE THAT AND JUST SEE HOW THAT WOULD FIT US, IN MODERN DAY. YEAH. LONG TERM, THEY OPERATE. OPERATING EXPENSES ARE LESS ON THEM. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP IS MENTIONED IN OUR REPORT WAS THE RAPE KITS. AND WHAT IS THE BACKLOG LOOK LIKE ON RAPE KITS RIGHT NOW? OKAY. I AM GOING TO GET WITH, CARL CARL, DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE? OKAY. I CAN GET THAT UPDATE FOR YOU. I CAN GET THAT UPDATE FOR YOU. BUT HOWEVER THE FUNDING AND THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, OUR DNA IS BEING UTILIZED FOR, PROCESSING EVIDENCE AS IT RELATES TO OUR VIOLENT CRIME AND HOMICIDES AND ALSO TO WITH OUR SEXUAL ASSAULTS. THAT FUNDING IS SO NEEDED IN ORDER TO OUTSOURCE, TO DNA INTERNATIONAL. AND ON THAT NOTE, WHILE I'M THERE, I BROUGHT TWO OF MY, THREE, ACTUALLY, COMMANDERS. AND I REALLY WANTED THE COUNCIL TO SEE LIEUTENANT, SKIES IS OUR HOMICIDE, COMMANDER, WHO WAS WORKING ALL THE HOMICIDES AND LEADING HIS TROOPS, THROUGH. AND THEN LIEUTENANT LACEFIELD, WHO WORKS OUR NON-FATAL SHOOTING SQUAD AS THE COMMANDER THERE AND MOVING THOSE DETECTIVES, IN THIS SPACE THAT I NEED TO BE IN. AND THEN LIEUTENANT WILLING, WHO IS OUR, HELICOPTER UNIT COMMANDER. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR EFFORTS, BRING THEM WITH ME, BECAUSE THEY DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB. AND WITH THAT FUNDING, FOR DNA INTERNATIONAL, IT IS SO NEEDED, FOR US TO GET THIS EVIDENCE PROCESSED AND GET IT BACK SO WE CAN BRING SOME CLOSURE TO SOME OF THESE FAMILIES. SO THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT SHOT SPOTTERS. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE DEPLOYED RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAVE, 12MI■!S, THAT ARE CURRENT, SUPPORTED RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE IN DIVISIONS, ONE, TWO, FOUR AND SIX IS IN, WHICH IS A TOTAL AND IT'S 70,000 PER SQUARE MILES. THAT IS BEING FUNDED CURRENTLY,

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THAT'S THE ONE UP THERE ON THAT ONE. OH, OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR OMB. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND THEN, THERE WAS ABOUT TEN FEDERAL GRANTS, THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST YEAR AND MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMING THIS YEAR. I THINK THEY WERE IN THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC CAPITAL AND PROGRAMING. SO HOW ARE WE JUST DOING AWAY WITH THAT , OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR OPERATIONS? SO THOSE GRANTS WE ALWAYS APPLY FOR. SORRY. YES SO ONE OF MY FISCAL MANAGERS IS GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR ME. SO WE'RE GETTING, A LOT OF THOSE GRANTS THAT WERE LISTED THAT WERE, EXPIRING HAVE BEEN RENEWED. SO WE'RE NOT THERE'S NO MAJOR IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE JUST GETTING A NEW CYCLE, NEW FUNDING. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS THAT, ONE MORE QUESTION, THERE'S A $1.1 MILLION REDUCTION IN, FOR VEHICLES AND FLEETS MANAGEMENT IS, IS THAT OKAY? WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP, THE 4.8 MILLION IN PLACE FOR OUR VEHICLES, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, THE CUTS THAT ARE THAT EVERYONE IS EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW. AND SO WE CAN JUST MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IF WE ARE RUNNING INTO WHERE I JUST I'M GETTING WHERE I JUST GOTTA HAVE SOME MORE VEHICLES. I'M HOPING THAT I CAN HAVE THAT REVISITED. AND THE FUNDS WILL BE ALLOCATED TO LMPD IN ORDER TO, TO GET ADDITIONAL VEHICLES IN, BUT AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND, DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT 4.8? ABSOLUTELY. BUT I WILL ACCEPT THE ADJUSTMENTS KNOWING THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE SOME CUTS IN THEIR BUDGET THIS YEAR. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. AND WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME YOU WOULD NEED TO KNOW

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AND, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO THE HISTORY OF WHY IT GOT MOVED. THERE MAY BE A LEGITIMATE REASON. PROBABLY IS A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY IT IT DID GET MOVED. MAYBE OPERATIONAL, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU OR YOUR AIR WING COMMANDER HAD, ANY INFORMATION AS TO THE HISTORY OF THAT, AND COULD IT BE MOVED BACK TO, METRO OWNED PROPERTY, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT HELIPAD IS STILL THERE, AND THEN AFTER ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, IF YOU COULD, TALK ABOUT THE, THE, PROPOSAL FOR HELICOPTERS WITHIN THE BUDGET, NOT TOO MANY WEEKS AGO, COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER, PURCHASED SOME, DRONES FOR LMPD. AND AT THAT POINT, I WAS OF THE MINDSET THAT, DRONES COULD BE A PRETTY GOOD ANSWER TO, SATISFY THE NEEDS FOR AIR COVERAGE INSTEAD OF TO HELICOPTERS. BUT I HAVE BEEN TURNED ON THAT. YEAH, I AM AM A SUPPORTER OF THE HELICOPTERS, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT DRONES COULD NOT, TAKE CARE OF AND I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR THUNDER ON ON ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, BUT IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME COLOR TO AS TO THE CONVERSATION OF THE NEED FOR THE FOR THE HELICOPTERS. OKAY SO, TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ON, ON THE HELIPORT PAD, FROM, FROM A FORMER INDIVIDUAL THAT USED TO BE IN THE HELICOPTER. HELICOPTER UNIT, THE UNDERGROUND LINE BROKE AND IT WAS GOING TO COST, A LOT TO GET IT REPAIRED. SO THAT, WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR MOVING, IT TO THE AIRPORT, PROVIDED THE FUEL SOURCE THAT COULD BE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED BY SOMEONE ELSE, AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY FOR THE MOVE ON THAT.

SO THE ANSWERS ON THAT PORTION THE HELICOPTER IS, IS, IS A I WANT TO USE THIS TERM A DESPERATE NEED. WE NEED A NEW HELICOPTER FOR, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE CANNOT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT. SO I AM ASKING, WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE DONE SOME PATCH WORK ON THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, THEY CANNOT SUSTAIN A LOT OF FUEL, AND IT'S JUST. AND ONE OF THE, THE HELICOPTERS THAT WE'VE PATCHWORKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE COMPANY DOESN'T MAKE PARTS FOR IT ANYMORE, SO IT'S OBSOLETE, AND SO WE WOULD TAKE THAT HELICOPTER COPTER AND PARCEL IT OUT IN ORDER TO GET FUNDS BACK OFF OF THE PARTS THAT WE SELL, BUT IF WE WERE IN A SITUATION LIKE BALTIMORE, WE COULDN'T WE COULDN'T SUPPORT AN.

AND THAT IS JUST UNREASONABLE TO THINK THAT WE ARE LOUISVILLE AND WE CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THE HELICOPTER IS SUCH A GREAT SOURCE FOR ALL OF THE UNITS WITHIN LMPD TO HELP FIGHT CRIME. AND THEY'RE DOING THE WORK, AND IT IS TIME FOR US TO GET A HELICOPTER, IN PLACE AND THAT ONE THAT CAN MEET THE DEMANDS. AND IT HAS THE CAPABILITY, TO HELP US, AND IT'S JUST NOT EVEN THIS IS NOT EVEN A BEGGING THING FOR A HELICOPTER. IT IS A MUST.

COUNCILWOMAN. PARISH. RIGHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. CHIEF, I'M TRYING TO NOT ASK SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ASKED. OH, I HAD A QUESTION AROUND, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS PREDATE YOUR ADMINISTRATION, YOUR YOUR TENURE. SO I, I RECOGNIZE THAT. JUST AN UPDATE.

THERE WAS A TRUTH AND TRANS TRANSFORMATION PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN UNDER THE PREVIOUS MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION, AND IT HAD I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF ANY OF YOUR INITIATIVES ARE TIED INTO THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM THAT THAT TIES INTO YOUR BUDGET REQUESTS AROUND

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OFFICER TRUTH AND TRANSFORMATION . HAVING THAT OPEN DIALOG, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WE'RE HERE FOR A PURPOSE. I NEED FOR YOU TO GET TO KNOW YOUR OFFICERS. I NEED FOR YOU TO GET TO KNOW THE COMMUNITY, WHERE THEY STAND, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT LMPD. FAVORABLE OR NOT, WE NEED TO HEAR IT. AND SO WE CAN MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, BUT ALSO TO COMBOS AND CUTS IN THE BARBERSHOPS. AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BEST CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN AT THE BARBERSHOPS IN THE BASEMENT OF CHURCHES, AND ESTABLISH A MOVEMENT LIKE NEVER BEFORE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND SO, AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE INITIATIVES FEEL FUEL, THE TRUTH AND TRANSFORMATION COMMUNITY COMES THAT HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN COMPSTAT TALKING ABOUT CRIME AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND WHAT THE CHANGES THAT THEY WANT TO SEE. TRUTH AND TRANSFORMATION IN ALL DAY. SO ALL OF MY INITIATIVES LAYEUP INTO THE TRANS TRANSPARENCY. HOW CAN WE HAVE A GREAT DISCUSSION? YOU AIR OUT YOUR DIFFERENCES, YOUR GRIEVANCES. BUT GUESS WHAT? WHEN WE LEAVE HERE, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? AND SO YES MA'AM, ALL OF THAT IS LAYERED UP IN THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU DETAILING THAT. WE DON'T ALWAYS GET A LOT OF UPDATES WHEN THINGS ARE INITIATED. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP OUR CONSTITUENTS UPDATED WITH PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT HAVE STARTED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR OUTLINING THE CUTS TO THE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF CUTS AND THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE IT FAVORS LMPD. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT PUBLIC HEALTH IS A PART OF THAT. ANOTHER THING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE YOUR ADMINISTRATION WAS THE BODY CAMS . AS SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALLUDED TO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THIS THERE IS AN INITIATIVE TO TRAIN AND MAKE SURE OFFICERS TURN ON THOSE BODY CAMS, BECAUSE WE REALLY FOUGHT HARD AS A COMMUNITY TO HAVE THOSE PUT IN PLACE. AND SO, AS YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN AND COME UP. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM. MY LAST MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE GUNS BEFORE YOUR ADMINISTRATION AND THIS ADMINISTRATION. WE LEARNED DURING THE 2020 PROTEST THAT A LOT OF THE, GUNS THAT ARE LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD WERE ACTUALLY OWNED BY A LOT OF THE OFFICERS THEMSELVES. SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE IS THAT RATIO NOW WITH GUNS THAT WE ACTUALLY OWN, ASSUMING THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS PURCHASED THEM VERSUS THE GUNS THAT OFFICERS OWN THEMSELVES. AND THEN THE LAST PART, WHAT WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE OFFICER INCENTIVES LIKE THE ONE ME AND YOU, WE ALL DISCUSSED BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THEM LIVING IN THE DIVISIONS THAT THEY WORK IN. YES, MA'AM. YOU OWN ALL THE GUNS THAT WE HAVE. THEY ARE CITY OWNED EQUIPMENT, SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF OUR OFFICERS ON DUTY CARRYING AROUND ANY PERSONAL WEAPONS, YOU OWN EVERY DUTY WEAPON, THROUGH THE FUNDING OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED, SO WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THERE WAS LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THAT AS WELL. AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE UNIFORMED, WHAT THEY'RE CARRYING, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. SO THAT'S DONE. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE, AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? I'M SORRY. NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE OFFICER INCENTIVES WE TALKED ABOUT, IT WAS A I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT THE CHAIR GAVE YOU, BUT THERE'S THAT MILLION DOLLARS IN THE HIRING, AND WE ALL SUPPORT HIRING GOOD, TRUSTED, TRAINED POLICE OFFICERS. BUT THERE WAS A PART OF THAT THAT WAS ALLOTTED TO OFFICERS WHO WERE CHOOSING TO LIVE IN THEIR DISTRICTS. AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND IT DROPPED FROM 1 MILLION TO 500,000. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL THE SAME POT OF MONEY OR IF IT'S A SEPARATE POT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE FUNDING FOR INCENTIVES THAT YOU'RE NOT USING? OKAY. IT WAS $100,000 FOR THAT, HOME INCENTIVE, AND IT WAS ALLOCATED SEPARATELY, AND COUNCILMAN ARTHUR, WHEN I CAME AND GAVE A, THE OTHER BUDGET BRIEFING PRIOR TO HE SAID, WOULD I BE OPEN, TO OTHER, PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNELS UTILIZING THAT FUNDS, AND I SAID, BY ALL MEANS, IF IT IS APPROVED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, AGAIN, WE DO WANT OFFICERS TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY, AND WE STILL BEEN PUSHING THAT AND ENCOURAGING THAT. AND I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO FOSTER THE, THE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD UPON WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, ALL WILL FEEL, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YES, THIS IS THIS IS GOOD. LET'S LET'S GET IN THERE AND, AND WE CAN LIVE HERE. AND THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO KEEP USAFE AND WE'RE KEEPING THE COMMUNITY SAFE. SO I'M OPTIMISTIC WITH THAT. BUT IF THOSE FUNDS, NEED TO BE REALLOCATED TO ANOTHER ENTITY, AGAIN, I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL

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I'M THE LIEUTENANT WITH THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS DIVISION. SO FOR YOUR FIRST QUESTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT RESALE OF A HELICOPTER. IT WOULD BE. SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS OMB WOULD NEGOTIATE THE SALE OF IT. WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A SURPLUS REQUISITION FOR IT. OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY GAVE US AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT 600 TO 650,000, DEPENDING ON THE BUYER.

AND THE MARKET. AND IS IT MORE FUEL? WILL THE NEW ONE BE THE SAME MODEL OR IS IT? NO, THE NEW ONE WILL BE. IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT MODEL, IT'LL BE A LITTLE, LITTLE LESS FUEL EFFICIENT BECAUSE THE ENGINE'S BIGGER AND IT'S A BIGGER MODEL. SO THE CURRENT ONE WE HAVE IS NOT, AS THE CHIEF SAID, IS NOT MANUFACTURED ANYMORE. SO THE PARTS SUPPLY FOR THE ENGINE AND THE HELICOPTER ITSELF IS VERY, VERY LIMITED. SO THE PARTS ARE BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S BEEN SITTING IN MAINTENANCE FOR THREE MONTHS FOR, 60, $60,000, PART THAT THEY CAN'T FIND. SO COMPARED THE FUEL, THE FUEL WILL BE A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE IT BURNS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE IT'S A BIGGER HELICOPTER. BUT THE MAINTENANCE COST WILL KIND OF COME OUT TO BE A WASH. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S IT. ON THE HELICOPTER. I GOT A COUPLE MORE. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY WHAT'S CAUSING THE AUCTION AND TOW LOT REVENUES TO DECREASE FROM FISCAL YEAR 23 TO FISCAL YEAR 24? AND ALSO, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STATUS OF OUR CURRENT TOW LOT AND THE STATUS OF A POTENTIAL NEW PERMANENT ONE? ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD, COLONEL, I'LL HAVE TO GET YOU. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER ON THE DECREASE IN REVENUE. I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, OTHER THAN IT MAY JUST HAVE BEEN A SLOWER YEAR, FOR THE TOW LOT. OBVIOUSLY, EVERYBODY'S WELL AWARE THAT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE TOW LOT, YOU KNOW, LOCATION WISE, SIZE, CAPACITY, SECURITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'RE MAKING IT WORK AS IS, THE BEST WE CAN. WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A NEW SITE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT AN IMPOUND LOT, THERE'S JUST NOT. THAT'S A LOT OF LAND IN JEFFERSON COUNTY TO FIND IN A PLACE THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO WHILE WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING, WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A SUITABLE SITE AS OF YET. THANK YOU, YOUR COMPUTER SOFTWARE RENEWAL WITH AXON IS INCREASING BY $3 MILLION, FOR A TOTAL OF NEARLY $8.5 MILLION. WHAT ATTRIBUTES TO THIS INCREASE? AND ALSO, HOW OFTEN IS THIS CONTRACT RENEGOTIATED OR PUT OUT FOR BID, BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS A MULTI YEAR CONTRACT. AND SO GIVEN THAT IT'S GOING UP BY 3 MILLION, ARE WE TO ASSUME THAT NEXT YEAR IT WILL ALSO BE 8.5 MILLION? AND HOW LONG WILL IT STAY AT THAT RATE, COLONEL ALLEN WAS GOING TO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT IN, IN THIS CONTRACT WITH AXON BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE WEREN'T LOCKED IN FOR TEN YEARS, BUT WE HAVE THE OPTION JUST FLAT OUT TEN YEARS. BUT WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO OPT OUT IN FIVE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR FOR A NEW ADMINISTRATION TO COME ON.

AND THEN WE'RE STILL IN BED WITH A COMPANY THAT MAYBE THEY'RE GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THAT'S ONE OF THE ANOTHER LAYER OF BETTER MANAGEMENT ON OUR CONTRACT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, THAT'S ONE BIG HIGHLIGHT ON THAT SET OF FLAT TEN YEARS WE LOCKED IN. WE HAVE THE OPTION WITHIN FIVE TO OPT OUT. AND HE'LL GIVE YOU THE YOU GO INTO MORE OF THE GRANULAR DETAILS. SURE. AND AS CHIEF SAID , THE EXTENDED CONTRACT WITH THE FIVE YEAR OPT OUT WAS, IN THE END, ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, AND THEN ALSO JUST THERE'S AN INCREASED USE OF THEIR PRODUCTS, ON THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE TASER, IT'S NOT JUST BODY CAMERAS, WE PUT THEIR CAMERAS IN OUR NEW CARS. SO THERE'S FLEET SERVICES, WE'RE SCHEDULED TO PUT CAMERAS ON SOME OF OUR SWAT VEHICLES. OUR ARMORED VEHICLES. WE ARE UPGRADING OUR BODY CAMERAS TO THE NEWEST MODEL, THAT DISTRIBUTION WILL START, PROBABLY IN JUNE, AND THEN THEY ALSO DO OUR INTERVIEW ROOMS, WHICH IS, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT

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MY QUESTION MORE IS DO WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE FEE SCHEDULE, IS IT COSTING US MORE TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE OUT THESE FALSE ALARMS? THEN WE'RE GETTING BACK FROM FOLKS WHO SHOULD BE PAYING THIS FEE OR WHO ARE PERHAPS PAYING THE FEE. IT'S JUST THAT FOR SOME OF THEM, IT'S IT MAY BE STILL NOT ENOUGH OF AN INCENTIVE TO TRY AND GET THIS RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE NEED TO DO AN ANALYSIS ON THOSE TWO ACTION ITEMS. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU BETTER FEEDBACK ON THAT, JUST TO SEE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE GET LOCKED IN ON ONE THING AND THEN THINGS CHANGE. AND SO, TO YOUR POINT, WE JUST NEED TO DO A DEEP DIVE AND JUST SEE, IS IT REALLY MEETING THE DEMANDS AND NEEDS AND ARE WE GETTING YOU KNOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN THIS IS I DON'T SEE THIS AS A REVENUE STREAM.

RIGHT. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC TO THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IT'S JUST IT COSTS US MONEY. AND SO WE'RE NOT THE ONES CREATING THE ISSUE THAT'S COSTING US MONEY. SO.

YES, SIR. IF WE COULD PASS THAT ON TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE COSTING. YES, SIR, COUNCILWOMAN WRIGHT.

THANK YOU. ONE, I THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I ALSO AGREE THAT THE POLICE AND TARC ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY. THEY'RE A PUBLIC GOOD THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY ON. BUT I HAD A QUESTION THAT, I GOT FROM WITH COUNCILMAN ARTHUR THAT ASKED ABOUT, HOW THE BUDGET, DOES THIS BUDGET INCREASE THE CAPACITY FOR THE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNION UNIT? HAS THAT BEEN FACTORED IN, HOW DOES THIS BUDGET HELP INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT? THEY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE POSTED, BUT THEY ARE AT FULL CAPACITY, THEY HAVE 16, PEOPLE WORKING IN THE IN THE VICTIM SERVICE UNIT, AND THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT THEY ARE AT THE CAPACITY THEY NEED TO BE AT. YES, MA'AM. GOOD TO KNOW. A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE SOLVING THE CRIMES. AND I KNOW THAT'S A PRIORITY. AND, YEAH. AND JUST AS I SAID BEFORE, MORE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE DRIVING OUR POLICE FORCE TO DO MORE OF. AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING, JUST ANY WAY THAT WE COULD SHARE THAT INFORMATION OR UPDATES, I KNOW I WENT TO THE MEET THE BEAT. I KNOW THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE, JUST KEEP SHARING THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT OUT TO THE CONSTITUENCY. YES, MA'AM. AND ALSO TO, I NEED TO ENSURE THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THAT EACH DIVISION COMMANDER, SHOULD BE. AND HAS BEEN DOING A NEWSLETTER. BUT I GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING IT AS WELL, AND SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PUSH IT OUT TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEW INITIATIVES. AND SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE ENLIGHTENED AS TO WHAT LMPD IS DOING AND HOW WE'RE MOVING NOW. BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS HAPPENING. YEAH AND DIVISION FOUR DID A GREAT JOB, WITH MY FOLLOW UP AFTER OUR RIDE ALONG, THEY SENT OUT WHERE THE DIVISION MAPS ARE, AND PEOPLE IN OUR ADVISORY BOARD HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE EVERY, COMMUNITY BUILDING THAT WE MEETING, WE GO TO IN THEM DURING THE MONTH ARE ASKING TO MEET THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS IN THE DIFFERENT LEADERS, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE LEADERSHIP, BUT THEY DO WANT MORE OF THEM TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR INSTANCE, I JUST WENT TO HALLMARK'S TWO WEEKS AGO. WELL A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, AND THEY WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY FROM THAT DIVISION. I THINK. WELL, HE WAS THERE, THAT GUY WAS THERE. BUT EVERY COMMUNITY MEETING I'M GOING TO ARE ASKING FOR DIVISION LEADERS BECAUSE FOLKS ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IN WHAT, WHAT DIVISION THAT THEY'RE IN. SO THE MAPS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

I'M LOOKING AT, 307,500 FOR NECESSARY PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT TO MEET LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS, I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE. AND AS I'M READING IT AND I MAY BE READING MORE INTO IT THAN THE COMMENT ACTUALLY SUGGESTS, BUT, I'M WONDERING, DID THAT COME AS A SURPRISE TO US THAT OUR SAFETY EQUIPMENT WASN'T MEETING, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS? AND IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN HOW DO WE GET INTO THAT PLACE? AND IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, THEN THIS WAS A I'M, I'M GUESSING THIS WAS A AN EXPENSE THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THOSE ENHANCEMENTS AS FAR AS THE WEAPONS AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THAT IS WHAT THAT IS ENCOMPASSING ALTOGETHER. OKAY.

BUT THAT THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE TO US. NO. OKAY. SO THIS IS THIS IS THIS JUST THE STANDARD? THIS IS US DOING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING. BUSINESS AS USUAL. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ENHANCEMENT, THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED THAT WE, MOVE, $6 MILLION FROM THE LMPD TRAINING

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THAT'S THE PATH TO GO, THAT IS THE ROUTE TO GO AND THEN TAKE IT IN PHASES. YEAH. EVEN OUTSIDE JEFFERSON COUNTY. I MEAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. RIGHT, AGAIN, I'M I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION EVEN OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, AS LONG AS WE DON'T GO TOO TERRIBLY FAR. YES SIR, AND LAND, CERTAINLY OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY CAN BE LESS EXPENSIVE. SHOULD WE HAVE TO PURCHASE IT? YES, WOULD BE CONSIDERED LESS EXPENSIVE. SO AGAIN, I'M. I LOVE THE OPTIMISM, AND I LOVE THE CONCEPT. I'M STILL LISTENING FOR OTHER THAN US, YOU AND I, BECAUSE WE BOTH THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THE MAYOR WHO FIRST BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

OTHER THAN US, IS THERE WHERE IS THE REASON FOR OPTIMISM? WE HEARD FROM A COUNTY JUDGE EXECUTIVE IN OLDHAM COUNTY. WE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, STATE REPRESENTATIVES WHO SAID, HEY, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. HAS HAS THIS AS A FEDERAL SENATOR OR A CONGRESSMAN SAID, HEY, I THINK WE CAN GET YOU A FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR A REGIONAL. IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT GIVES US A SENSE OF OPTIMISM THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS $6 MILLION. YES. SO, SERGEANT GEOGHEGAN IS ACTUALLY HERE. HERE HE IS RIGHT HERE. AND SO WE'VE HAD SOME TENTATIVE CONVERSATIONS. COULD YOU OKAY BUY INTO THIS, WOULD YOU. AND THE ANSWER IS YES. OKAY THANK YOU. SO I'LL WAIT FOR THE SERGEANT TO COME FORWARD AND, I AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND I REALIZE AS YOU COME FORWARD, THIS IS A PUBLIC VENUE. SO I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SHARE ANY, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT MIGHT JEOPARDIZE MOVING FORWARD INTEREST. I GET THAT. LET'S GET THAT ON THE TABLE RIGHT AWAY.

YES. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. YES, SERGEANT GEOGHEGAN, LMPD STRATEGIC PLANNING, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH NUMEROUS AGENCIES IN REGARDS TO THE INTEREST AND WHAT THIS WOULD BE. TALKING WITH OUR OWN TRAINING FACILITY. WE TRAIN MULTIPLE AGENCIES AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, SO THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS , WITHIN THIS AREA. TALKING WITH, DOC, JT, THEY HAVE INTEREST IN IT. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST THAT YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET THIS DONE. YES GOOD. AND NO ONE'S ASKING FOR SURE. HARD. YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHEN. BUT YOU YOU'VE BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR A WHILE. YOU'VE WATCHED THIS. WE TRY TO PROCURE THINGS, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING FOR HARD, FAST, BUT JUST A SENSE OF ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE. DO YOU SEE THIS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY THE NEXT SESSION OR TWO SESSIONS, DO YOU SEE US GETTING HELP FROM THE FEDS? JUST, YOU KNOW, ROUGH GUESS IT'S REALLY HARD TO BALLPARK. I MEAN, WE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OFF LINE CONVERSATIONS WITH NUMEROUS AGENCIES TO INCLUDE THE FEDERAL PARTNERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA, WE'VE TALKED WITH, DIRECTOR JILEK OF DOC JT AND AGAIN, HE'S HE'S HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN GETTING THAT, PUSHED

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RIGHT. WITHOUT SOME SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR YOU SAY I GET. NOT THIS YEAR. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS OPPOSED TO LIKE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY. I'LL SPEAK ONLY FOR COUNCILMAN CRAMER FROM DISTRICT 11, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN WAITING TEN YEARS TO START WORK ON A NEW TRAINING FACILITY. I THINK THAT'S WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE NEED TO ACT ON THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AND I THINK THE BUDGET SHOULD REFLECT THAT. AND I WOULD SAY, AND I'LL PLUG IN THE GREATER NEED RIGHT NOW THAT PRESSING YOUR DEPARTMENT IS THIS HELICOPTER. WE'RE GETTING THIS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE , THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THAT IS THE PRESSING NEED, WE GOT IT.

WE MUST HAVE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK OUT, THE TRAINING FACILITIES, FUTURE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT THOSE ARE THE PRESSING NEEDS THAT WE, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND, AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T WAIT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I NEED THAT HELICOPTER ON THE GROUND, LIKE, TODAY. RIGHT YES, SIR. AND THE $6 MILLION WON'T PUT A TRAINING FACILITY ON THE GROUND NEXT YEAR. NO, SIR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR, AND THEN, JUST 1 OR 2 MORE, I'M LOOKING AT, AT THE SHOTSPOTTER DETECTION SYSTEM, AND YOU'VE SPOKEN TO IT A LITTLE BIT ALREADY, AND, LICENSE PLATE READER AS WELL, I DON'T I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION. I DON'T EXPECT YOU HAVE THE ANSWER IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD ASK YOU TO BRING. BUT, AS WE CONTEMPLATE IT, YOU KNOW, BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS FOR THOSE TWO PIECES OF TECHNOLOGY, I'D BE CURIOUS HOW, DATA SPECIFICALLY, HOW EFFECTIVE THOSE TWO TECHNOLOGIES HAVE BEEN. OKAY, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY RUNS HAVE WE MADE AS A DIRECT RESULT OF SHOTSPOTTER? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE ACTUALLY FOUND EVIDENCE, COLLECTED EVIDENCE AT THE SCENE? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, FOUND VICTIMS THAT OTHERWISE MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE RECEIVED EMERGENCY CARE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT FROM EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT GETTING GETTING FOLKS TO CALL THE POLICE AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OFFLINE, BUT SHOTSPOTTER DOES ATTRACT ATTENTION THAT THAT IS NECESSARY. THAT WOULDN'T BE BE DRAWN OTHERWISE. SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THE DATA AROUND THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, THE SAME THING WITH THE LICENSE PLATE READERS. I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, AS WE PLUG IN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, HOW EFFECTIVELY IS THAT FUNDING, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AGAIN, I JUST IF YOU COULD GET THAT TO US. YES, SIR. GREAT.

THANK YOU, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, I KNOW WE WERE SCHEDULED TO SEVEN, BUT I

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THANK YOU

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