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GOOD WELCOME TO THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC WORKS. I AM I AM YOUR CHAIRPERSON. COUNCILWOMAN DONNA
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VIRTUALLY BACK COUNCILMAN PIER GINNI, UM MADAM CLERK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE DISCLAIMER? THIS MEETING HAS BEEN HERE TO KR , 61.826 AND COUNCIL FIVE, A. R FOUR. THANK YOU, UM, LIKE TO MAKE MENTION FOR THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE EXCUSED ABSENCES FOR COUNCILMAN INGLE AND COUNCILMAN KRAMER. WE DO NOT NEED A QUORUM. SINCE THERE ISN'T ANY LEGISLATION THAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON. BUT TODAY WE HAVE JEFF BROWN HERE FOR MY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND HE WILL BE[1. ID 24-0268 3-YEAR PAVING PLAN – Jennifer Caummisar-Kern, Public Works]
DISCUSSING THE THREE YEAR PAVEMENT PLAN. MR BROWN. IF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M JEFF BROWN WITH LOUISVILLE, METRO PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSETS. AND YES, REALLY, WHY I'M HERE TODAY IS TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT OUR THREE YEAR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLANS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PAVING BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS, AND THIS IS TO GET YOU FAMILIAR WITH SOME DOCUMENTATION. PUBLIC WORK SENT LAST WEEK. SO EVERY, UH, FISCAL YEAR BEFORE WE GET INTO BUDGET HEARINGS. WE SHARE OUR PLANS WITH EACH METRO COUNCIL MEMBER AND WE GIVE THEM EACH OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH US AND DISCUSS WHAT IS IN THOSE PLANS AND ASKS A ANSWER SOME VERY DETAILED QUESTIONS BECAUSE EACH DISTRICT IS VERY SPECIFIC.SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT WORKS IN DISTRICT ONE WORKS IN DISTRICT 26. SO WE TRY TO BE AS OPEN AS WE CAN, WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT TO IT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO TODAY IS KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE AND HOW TO READ THEM AND WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU. SO FIRST I'LL START AT A HIGH LEVEL VIEW. PUBLIC WORKS MANAGES A LOT OF ASSETS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE THREE BIGGEST OF THOSE WOULD BE OUR ROADS THAT'S ABOUT 4500 LANE MILES OF ROADS, SIDEWALKS, WHICH WE ARE ABOUT 1700 MILES OF SIDEWALKS NOW AND THEN OUR BRIDGES WE HAVE ABOUT 560 STRUCTURES THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND THIS ISN'T ALL OF OUR ASSETS. THIS IS THE BIGGEST GROUP, BUT THERE'S ALL THINGS THAT GO INTO THOSE TWO. SO PAVEMENT MARKINGS. TRAFFIC SIGNALS TRAFFIC SIGNS. THOSE ALL ASSETS THAT WE DO MAINTAIN, BUT NOT TO THIS LEVEL OF FUNDING THAT'S REQUIRED TO KEEP UP WITH ROADS, SIDEWALKS AND BRIDGES. UM SO FOR ROADWAYS, WE USE THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX. SO WHEN WE PREPARE OUR PAVING PLAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, THE PC THAT'S DEVELOPED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND IT'S RATED ON A SCALE FROM 0 TO 100, WITH 100 BEING A BRAND NEW ROAD. UM OUR FIRST SURVEY TO GET THAT PC WAS CONDUCTED IN 2013. WE DID A FOLLOW UP SURVEY IN 2016. AND THEN THE LAST SURVEY WE CONDUCTED WAS IN 2020. SO WE'RE OVERDUE FOR THAT PAVEMENT SURVEY AND THAT'S WHAT IN OUR FY 25 BUDGET REQUEST WILL BE ASKING FOR FUNDS TO DO THAT NEW PAVEMENT CONDITION SURVEY BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY WE CAN TELL HOW MUCH PROGRESS WE'VE MADE. UH BACK IN 2016. WE KNEW AND I THINK METRO COUNCIL REALIZES IT AS WELL. WE NEEDED MORE FUNDING FOR PAVING BECAUSE THE ROAD. WE'RE GETTING DEPLORABLE AND REALLY BEYOND A POINT OF NO RETURN. SO WITH THAT WE PREPARED WHAT WE CALLED OUR 10 YEAR PAVING PLAN, WE SAID, GIVEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDING. OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. WE CAN REACH OUR GOALS THAT WE ESTABLISHED FOR THE CONDITION OF OUR PAVEMENT. AND THAT GOAL AT A HIGH LEVEL WAS TO SAY. MOST OF OUR ROADS WERE GOING TO BE A PC, 55 AND HIGHER AND THEN WE ONLY WANTED A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THOSE ROADS TO FALL BEFORE BELOW 40. SO BELOW 40 IS A PRETTY BAD ROAD. WE'RE USUALLY GOING TO RECONSTRUCT IT AT THAT POINT IF WE CAN GET IT EARLY ON, SO WHEN IT'S A PC, I 60 OR 50 YOU IT'S USUALLY A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN. WE CAN DO A CHEAPER IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT ROAD AT A BETTER COST. FOR THE ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO MEETING THAT GOAL AND WE ARE ONLY ABOUT 8.5 YEARS IN THE LOCAL ROADS. WE ARE VERY CLOSE, BUT IT'S REALLY THAT UPDATED SURVEY WILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE HIT THE MARK OR NOT, AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT 10 YEAR POINT. AND WHAT THAT 10 YEAR POINT WAS GOING TO DEFINE FOR US AS WHEN WE COULD
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GO INTO MORE A OF A PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE SO WE COULD DO TREATMENTS TO THAT ROAD THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO BEFORE BECAUSE THE CONDITION HAD GOTTEN SO BAD, AND WE'RE AT THAT POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE HOPING TO BE AT THAT POINT, BUT IT'S THAT PAYMENT CONDITION SURVEY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. BUT FOR THE PAVING, WE'RE STRICTLY LOOKING AT PAVING CONDITION INDEX THAT PC FROM 0 TO 100 WITH 100 BEING THE BEST. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR EACH ROAD SEGMENT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SCORE BETWEEN ZERO AND 1 100. THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA WHAT KIND OF CONDITION THAT ROAD'S IN UM IS THIS IS A NICE TABLE. I LOVE TO SEE THE WAY THE FUNDING HAS GONE UP AND DOWN OVER THE YEARS FOR PAVING, BUT YOU'LL SEE BACK IN 2016 THAT IT WAS HUGE. WE WENT FROM A LITTLE OVER 4 TO 5 MILLION A YEAR TO 18 TO 20 TO THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. WE'RE WORKING WITH ABOUT $30 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDS FOR PAVING, BUT WITH, UH A NETWORK OF THIS SIZE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT TAKES. DEPENDING ON THIS NEXT SURVEY WHEN WE GET INTO FY, 25 AND 26, THAT NUMBER CAN PROBABLY COME DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME OF THOSE MORE PROACTIVE. UH, REHABILITATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT LIFE OF THE ROAD AND NOT HAVE TO DO A FULL RECONSTRUCTION. WE WERE JUST GETTING CAUGHT UP. WE'RE IN YEAR NINE OF THAT CATCH UP. WE'RE ALMOST AT YEAR 10 AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BIG CHANGE IN THE WAY WE HANDLE OUR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE METRO COUNCIL REALIZING HOW BAD THIS GOT AND GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WHAT PUBLIC WORKS COULD DO TO MAINTAIN THIS LARGE ASSET. UH, SIDEWALKS I KNOW. MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE TOPICS, SO BACK IN 2010. PRIOR TO 2010. IT WAS THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS. UH, THAT JUST WASN'T SUSTAINABLE. NOT EVERYONE HAD THE MONEY THEY NEEDED TO FIX SOMETHING THAT WASN'T EVEN ON THEIR PROPERTY IN THE SIDE BLOCKS WERE REALLY THERE FOR A PUBLIC BENEFIT, SO TO SHOULDER A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY WASN'T FAIR. AND I APPRECIATE THE CHANGE IN THAT, BUT, UH, WHAT WE NEEDED WAS FUNDING BECAUSE YOU WE INHERITED THIS ASSET BACK IN 2010, AND THERE WAS ALREADY A LONG BACKLOG. REPAIR REQUEST WE HAD AND THAT CONTINUES TO GROW. WE GET REPAIRS OR WE GET REQUESTS FOR REPAIRS EVERY DAY, AND IT'S WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH EVERY YEAR WITH THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.UH, I BELIEVE THIS YEAR WE'RE WITH ABOUT $3 MILLION IN SIDEWALK REPAIR FUNDS. A PORTION OF THOSE GO TO THAT BACKLOG, WHICH WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT NEED. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE CALLING IN, UH, WHAT THEY SAY I WALK THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. A PORTION OF THAT FUNDING WERE ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE PRO UH, REPAIR. SO THIS IS MORE IN K TO THE PAVING THE WAY WE LOOK AT THE CONDITION. WE KIND OF SEE WHO'S USING THOSE SIDEWALKS. IS IT NEAR A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING USE? IS IT ON THE TAR ROUTE? IS IT AS A SCHOOL? WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG? THE BUCK AND WITH A PROACTIVE REPAIR, WE CAN GO IN AND DO COMPLETE BLOCK FACES AND ELIMINATE ALL THOSE BARRIERS TO ACCESSIBILITY. UNLIKE THE PRO E, UNLIKE THE REACTION WHERE WE'RE TAKING THOSE CALL IN REQUESTS, WE'RE ONLY GOING OUT AND FIXING ONE PARTICULAR LOCATION. UH, CALLER COMES IN. IT'S 123 MAIN STREET REPAIRED. WE'RE GOING OUT AND DOING 123 MAIN STREET. WE'RE NOT GOING UP A BLOCK OR DOWN A BLOCK. WE'RE STRICTLY THERE TO DO WHAT THAT REQUEST WAS. AT THIS RATE. I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER CATCH UP. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO GET NEW REQUESTS IN, UH, WE'LL ALWAYS BE TRYING TO CATCH UP. BUT WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH ASSETS, THIS OLD UH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE TREES OF THE STREET TREES ARE PROBABLY THE LEADING CAUSE OF OUR SIDEWALK ISSUES. AND WE NEED THEM BOTH. WE NEED TIE WALKS. WE NEED TREES, SO THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THIS NEED FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS. UM AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT METRO COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE, UH, A HUGE NETWORK. I THINK OUR SIDEWALK REPAIR BACKLOG IS ABOUT $80 MILLION RIGHT NOW, SO WE COULDN'T DO THAT IN ONE YEAR IT IT WILL BE AN ONGOING PROCESS THAT WE CONSTANTLY TRY TO KEEP UP WITH. UH AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 2019. WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO A COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY OF OUR SIDEWALKS. SO WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. WE KNEW WHAT THE CONDITION WAS AT THAT POINT IN TIME. WE KNOW A LOT OF THEM HAVEN'T GOT BETTER. BUT WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN GO OUT AND PROACTIVELY REPAIR THOSE BEFORE WE GET THE CALLS IN. IT JUST MAY NOT BE IN THE ORDER THAT REACHES EACH CITIZEN'S REQUEST IN A TIMELY FASHION. OUR FINAL ASSET OF BRIDGES, WHICH WHEN THEY FAIL, IT'S CATASTROPHIC. WE'RE USUALLY CLOSING THAT ROAD, BUT WE'VE GOT ABOUT 560 STRUCTURES WE MONITOR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO CHECK THOSE CONDITIONS. BRIDGES ARE RATED ON A SCALE FROM 0 TO 15, WITH 15 BEING A BRAND NEW BRIDGE. SO DURING A FISCAL YEAR, SAY THIS YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE $3 MILLION. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A HANDFUL OF BRIDGES THAT WERE RATED BETWEEN FIVE AND NINE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PLANNING STUDY. WE'RE SEEING WHAT THE CORRECTION WOULD
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NEED TO BE TO MAKE THAT BRIDGE. BETTER DO WE NEED RIGHT OF WAY. ARE THERE UTILITY RELOCATIONS? WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST? TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT? THEN WE'VE GOT THOSE THAT ARE IN CONSTRUCTION DESIGN. WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY FINE DETAILS, FIGURING OUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO FIX THAT BRIDGE AND THOSE ARE BRIDGES RATED FROM 2 TO 5. IT'S AFTER TWO WHEN WE'VE GOT TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION, AND THAT'S EITHER CLOSING THAT ROAD OR HAVING THE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE TO BEGIN THAT REPAIR. IT CAN SOMETIMES TAKE 12 TO 18 MONTHS TO GET A BRIDGE FROM THAT CLOSURE TO CONSTRUCTION. IF WE NEED RIGHT OF WAY FROM A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS, WE SIMPLY CAN'T GO INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DO WHATEVER WE WANT. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THOSE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND WITH THEIR CONSENT, THEN WE CAN BEGIN THAT CONSTRUCTION SO THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE AND I KNOW I CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT MAY HAVE TO BE CLOSED FOR SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, 10 MONTHS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE TO RELOCATE UTILITIES. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT PLAN IS FOR THE REPAIR BEFORE WE CAN BRING IT IN CONSTRUCTION. UH AND THEN I'VE GOT EXAMPLES ON WHAT EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT SCORES LOOK LIKE. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT A CYW RATED FOUR LOOKS LIKE, OR A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX OF 65, WE CAN SHARE ALL THOSE EXAMPLES WITH YOU. SO THAT'S THE HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF THREE OF OUR BIGGEST ASSETS. UM AND WE CAN GO INTO DETAIL ON THE LITTLE STUFF, BUT I REALLY FOR THE SAKE OF TIME HERE IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO IS PREPARE YOU ALL FOR OUR MEETINGS COMING UP OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN FINALLY THE BUDGET HEARING SO WE CAN RESOLVE ANY OF THESE VERY DETAILED ISSUES OR GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD BE FUNDING WITH PUBLIC WORKS IN FY 25. THANK YOU, JEFF. UH MR BROWN. I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, COUNCILMAN HUDSON. REALIZED HE WAS IN THE WRONG MEETING. IN YOUR LEFT. OK UM, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW, IF ANY. ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS? I'M OF COURSE. OH AND I'M SORRY.LET ME ACKNOWLEDGE, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPO AND COUNCILWOMAN PERISH. WRIGHT UH, YOU WANT TO KNOW AS VIRTUALLY AS WELL UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, ARGENTINA. CAN I GO FIRST? DO YOU MIND? AND I GET TO YOU. OF COURSE, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M IN THE QUEUE ALSO. UM MADAM CHAIR, I I'M IN THE QUEUE ALSO. UM YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PAYMENT SURVEY. YOU KNOW THE CALL FOR THAT? ARE THE REGIONAL PAYMENT CONDITIONS SURVEY WAS ABOUT $750,000. WE HAVE SEEN THAT PRICE COME DOWN OVER THE YEARS AS TECHNOLOGY HAS GOTTEN BETTER. I THINK THE LAST SURVEY WE CONDUCTED WAS ABOUT $400,000. SO IT'S BUT IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW IF WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON OUR GOALS OR WHAT WE'RE DOING WRONG AND WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING. OK, UM AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT MAINTENANCE. I KNOW FOR YEARS SINCE I GOT ON THE ACCOUNT, SO I WAS YOU KNOW, JUST STRONG ON ARMING YOU ALL ABOUT PAVING SOUTH WESTERN PARKWAY FROM BROADWAY TO I THINK WE WENT TO WINTER, ROS, UH AND I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT 4.5 YEARS AGO, AND I'M SEEING THAT IT'S BEGINNING TO WORK AND DON'T WANT IT TO EVER GET INTO THE CONDITION THAT IT WAS. SO WHAT WOULD YOU UH, WHAT ARE YOUR PROACTIVE PROACTIVE PLANS IN PRESERVING THAT ROAD.
YEAH AND THE FIRST STEP AND IT REALLY IS ABOUT THAT 5 TO 7 YEAR. MARK IS WHEN THE SEAMS START TO OPEN AND WE HAVE TO GO IN AND CRACK SEALS. SO THERE WE TAKE AN EMULSION, AND WE APPLY THAT TO THOSE CRACKS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP WATER OUT FROM THE BOTTOM OF THAT ROAD. AND NOW IT'S ABOUT THE TIME WHEN WE WOULD DO THAT ON, SAY, A ROAD LIKE SOUTHWESTER. SO THAT ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WITH THAT IS TYPICALLY HANDLED TO OUR OPERATIONS SO ROADS WOULD HANDLE THAT. SO THE ROADS DIVISION WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS HANDLES OUR CRACK CEILING BECAUSE WE'VE MADE THE INVESTMENT WE'VE HAD IN PAVING. I DON'T THINK THEY CAN KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND. WE'VE BEEN PAVING A LOT OF ROADS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS MORE THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO WILL PROBABLY NEED CONTRACT HELP WITH SOME OF THIS MAINTENANCE WORK. OK UM WE HAVE A TON OF ALLEYS. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN PAID. WE HAVE ALLEYS WITH POTHOLES THAT ARE ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 8 INCHES DEEP WATER IS DEPOSIT IN THEM. WE HAVE MOSQUITOES OR WHAT HAVE YOU? DO YOU THINK YOU ALL WOULD EVER COME UP WITH A AN AN A PAVEMENT? PA. PLAN AND WE DO, AND I I'M I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SHARING THAT WITH YOU. SO WE DO HAVE A THREE
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YEAR ALLY PAVING PLAN AND II. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE SENT IT IN THE EMAILS. I WASN'T PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT WE SO WE DO HAVE IT. IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'VE BEEN APPROPRIATED A BUDGET FOR ALI PAVEN, AND WITH THAT WE PRESENTED A PLAN TO SHOW WHERE WE WOULD BE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. UH, GIVEN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FUNDING, BUT LIKE YOU, SAID, MADAM CHAIR, THESE ALLEYS HAVE BEEN UNTOUCHED FOR 5070, SOME OF THEM OVER 100 YEARS OLD. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CATCH UP, RIGHT? AND LAST THING I'M GONNA ASK YOU A COMMENT ON. I NOTICED YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTRACTORS THAT CAN DO THE WORK IN PARTICULAR THE SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE ALLOCATED FUNDING FOR SIDEWALKS LIKE UP TO 23 YEARS AGO. SIDEWALKS HAVE NOT BEEN DONE YET. SO NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UH ONCE WE APPROPRIATE THE FUNDING WE ARE HAVING TO SEND LETTERS OUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS. WHAT HAVE YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT? YES, YOUR SIDEWALK HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR REPLACEMENT FUNDING HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED, BUT WE CANNOT GIVE THEM ANY TIMELINE AT ALL. UM EVEN IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME KIND OF TIMELINE, IT MAY WOULD HELP US AND HELP THEM. A LOT OF A LOT OF THEM ARE COMPLAINING THAT THE SIDEWALKS ARE POSING A DANGER TO PEOPLE. UM YOU THINK YOU CAN DO TO HELP AND WE WILL TRY TO COMMUNICATE THOSE DATES WITH YOU THE BEST WE CAN. THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND THE BIG ONES WEATHER. A COUPLE OF DAYS OF RAIN CAN PUT US VERY FAR BEHIND. SO WHEN IT COMES TO SOUTH REPAIRS, SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT $2 MILLION. WE WORK WITH ON KIND OF DOING THOSE SPOT REPAIRS. IN ORDER TO GET THOSE DONE IN ONE YEAR. GIVEN THE STAFF WE HAVE AND THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS WE REALLY LET THE CONTRACTOR DICTATE THAT SCHEDULE AND THEY KIND OF WORK AROUND THE COUNTY GEOGRAPHICALLY. WHAT HAPPENS IS IF THEY'VE ALREADY LEFT A DISTRICT AND A NEW FUND APPROPRIATION COMES UP FOR US HOW OUR MAYOR, WE REALLY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THEY GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PULL OFF ONE JOB TO GO OUT TO ANOTHER END OF THE COUNTY WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM A PLAN THAT THEY HAVE TO. THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE IN A YEAR. SO I IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNDERSTAFFING AT PUBLIC WORKS, AND THEN THE LACK OF CONTRACTORS BOTH PLAY INTO THAT, AND SO BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND YOU CONSIDER ADDING MORE CONTRACTORS. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT SIDEWALK REPAIR CONTRACTORS, AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL STRUGGLING.THIS IS A LOT MORE FUNDING THAN WE'VE EVER EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST WITH SK REPAIRS AND I IN DEFENSE OF THE CONTRACTORS. I KNOW THEY'RE HESITANT TO RAMP UP. YOU DON'T WANT TO BRING IN NEW EQUIPMENT AND NEW PERSONNEL. IF YOU'RE NOT ASSURED YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT FUNDING NEXT YEAR, SO I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE HESITANT TO REALLY STEP UP, AND THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM TO BE AS FISH AS WE CAN. YOU. THANK YOU, UM, COUNCILMAN PIATTI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
UH, JEFF. MY QUESTIONS ARE RELATED TO THIS AND THE OVERALL BUDGET. OK SO SORT OF HIGH LEVEL STUFF. BUT I THINK IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY CERTAIN DECISIONS WERE MADE NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAFT BUDGET. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU PULLED UP THE CHART EARLIER. SHOWING THE TRAJECTORY ON ROAD PAVING THAT WE'VE BEEN ON OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. UH AND YOU, UH, SAID THAT YOU AND YOU THANKED, UH METRO COUNCIL, I THINK, RIGHTFULLY SO BECAUSE FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ON COUNCIL VERY LONG. ALL OF THAT CHANGE IN TRAJECTORY HAPPENED BECAUSE OF METRO COUNCIL. THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION REFUSED TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE ROAD PAVING BUDGET UNTIL COUNCIL, UH, BROUGHT IT TO A HEAD AND EVEN AFTER THAT THEY WOULD PUT IN, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR $10 MILLION AND WE HAD TO REGULARLY UP IT TO 1520 UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT TO THE $30 MILLION. SO WE FINALLY GOT INTO THE $30 MILLION LAST HERE, WHICH WAS BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT ADVOCATE FOR GETTING THIS DONE THE RIGHT WAY. BUT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT $22 MILLION, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT MOVE BACKWARDS WHEN TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE RIGHT ON THE PRECIPICE OF GETTING THIS DONE, RIGHT AND GETTING OVER THE HUMP IN THESE HUGE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES, SO CAN YOU CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHO MADE THE DECISION TO ONLY PUT IN 22 MILLION INSTEAD OF 30? WHY I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD ANSWER THAT. I KNOW THAT WAS THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET. YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS PREPARED THAT PAVING PLAN. WE HAD THAT SO FY 25 PLAN WOULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED REALLY IN FY 23. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND ALL WE COULD DO IS PREDICT WHAT METRO COUNCIL MAY APPROPRIATE THAT AND I'M MORE COMFORTABLE PRESENTING YOU A LARGER PLAN AND THEN SCALING IT BACK. IF 30 MILLION IS NOT AVAILABLE, THEN BEING CAUGHT HAVING DEVELOPED A PLAN AT THE SPUR OF THE MOMENT IF METRO COUNCIL WENT FROM 20 MILLION TO 30 MILLION, THEN WE'RE STRUGGLING TO DEVELOP NEW PLANS. I. I UNDERSTAND. I WON'T CONTINUE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT ON WHO BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I WANNA
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BE CLEAR YOUR RECOMMENDATION AS IT WAS. I THINK LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR PRIOR WAS TO HAVE $30 MILLION THIS YEAR. CORRECT. CORRECT. OK BUT I, I HAVE THE LUXURY OF MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION AND I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK, I'M NOT FISCALLY CONSTRAINED WHEN I PREPARE THAT BABY BUDGET III I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND LOOK, THE MAYOR HAS TO BALANCE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. I GET IT, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A HUGE PRIORITY. WE WRITE ON THE CUSP OF CORRECTING A AND MANY YEAR PROBLEM AND, UH AND GETTING AHEAD OF THIS GAME, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE MALPRACTICE FOR US TO FUMBLE THE FOOTBALL AT THE 10 YARD LINE. SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO 30 MILLION SOMEHOW. UM AND THEN SAME THING FOR THE ARE. ARE YOU INVOLVED WITH THE MAP, FUNDING DECISIONS AND ALL OF THAT, THAT DOES THAT. COME THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT. I STRICTLY SPEND IT. I KNOW WE GET OUR APPROPRIATION EVERY YEAR FROM THE STATE, BUT I DON'T DICTATE WHERE THAT MONEY GOES.OK SO AGAIN, AND I THINK I CAN PREDICT YOUR ANSWER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME. THE MAYOR HAS PUT HALF OF THAT. FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE PUT 100% OF MAP FUNDING INTO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. THIS YEAR, WE'VE GONE BACKWARDS AND GONE BACK TO WHERE 50% OF IT IS BEING USED FOR OPERATING EXPENSE AND 50% FOR CAPITAL. DO YOU KNOW? CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY GUIDANCE AS TO WHY THAT DECISION WAS MADE AND WHO MADE IT? I. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO MADE IT, BUT I KNOW HISTORICALLY, MUNICIPAL AID FUNDS HAD BEEN USED FOR BOTH. YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO THAT ONE OF OUR ROAD DISTRICTS WAS FUNDED BY MP BECAUSE THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED TO FIX THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO PERSONNEL CERTAINLY A REASONABLE COST. BUT AT SOME POINT WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL THOSE CREWS INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT FREED UP MAP TO GO JUST TOWARDS THAT CONTRACT PAVING AND IT IS ALL COMES DOWN TO THE WAY THE STATE CALCULATES THAT MAT FUNDING. WE DON'T GET ENOUGH. WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN ENOUGH. OH AGREED 100% YEAH, NO, I MEAN I AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF MY POINT LIKE WE HAVE SAID TO THE STATE. WE DON'T GET ENOUGH. UH I'VE I'VE ACTIVELY LOBBIED FOR THAT POINT. I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING THAT IN A BIPARTISAN WAY. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO MISGUIDE THEM AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE FUNDS. I THINK WE NEED TO USE IT FOR THE CAPITAL PURPOSE THAT THEY'RE INTENDED FOR. THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL TO BE SUPER CLEAR, BUT BUT WE USED TO DO IT THAT WAY. AND I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE. WE TO PUTTING 100% OF IT INTO THE CAPITAL INTO A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT MOVE TO REVERT BACKWARDS, I THINK IS AN ISSUE AND I SEE THIS AGAIN AS THIS THEME OF YOU KNOW, IF WE YOU KNOW AGAIN FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND TERRIFICALLY LONG, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK 10 YEARS AGO. UNDERFUNDING ROADS, UNDERFUNDING, SIDEWALKS, UNDERFUNDING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THE LNPD HEADQUARTERS HAS BEEN TORN DOWN BY THE FISCAL COURT BUILDINGS ARE BEING TORN DOWN, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS, BUT THIS APPLIES TO FACILITIES TO PARKS PARKS. WE'VE NOW JUST STARTED TURNING THE CORNER ON GETTING BACK UP TO SPEED ON SOME OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS, BUT THOSE WERE ISSUES THAT HAPPENED OVER YEARS WHERE WE SAID, WELL, WE WANNA SPEND THE MONEY ON OPERATING INSTEAD OF CAPITAL. WELL WE HAVE THIS PRIORITY AND IT'S BIGGER AND IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS. TERM CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, II. I JUST HAVE A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN THAT WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS IN OUR THINKING WHEN WE ARE JUST FINALLY SEEING THE FRUITS OF YEARS OF DISCIPLINE AND FOCUSING ON CAPITAL RIGHT, PARTICULARLY ROAD FUNDING, WHICH ARE WHICH THE PUBLIC SEES AND IS IN IS CRITICAL TO BOTH THEIR ABILITY TO TRANSPORT THEMSELVES AROUND THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS BUSINESS BEING ABLE BEING SUCCESSFUL. SO UH, YOU KNOW, I, I I'M HOPING THAT WE AS A COUNCIL CAN GET YOU BACK TO MILLION DOLLARS OF ROPE EVEN AND INCREASE THE SIDEWALK, PAVING TO CONTINUE ATTACKING THAT BACKLOGS. THANKS VERY MUCH, JEFF. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCILMAN HUDSON. THANK YOU. CHAIR. UH, THANK YOU, MR BROWN FOR COMING. UH, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS AND THE FIRST ONE COMES TO THE TOPIC THAT COUNCILMAN PENTTI WAS APPROACHING, BUT I'M COMING AT IT FROM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ANGLE. THE $30 MILLION THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE PAVING. UH, WAS CUT TO 22. AND I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHO DID THAT. BUT IS. IS THERE A PLAN ON WHAT? WOULD BE CUT. IF YOU IF YOU HAD TO GO WITH THE 22 VERSUS THE 30, I DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. I'M WE IN OUR PLAN. WE SHOW YOU WHICH ROADS WHICH DISTRICTS AND HOW MUCH THAT WE ESTIMATE THAT COST TO BE, SO IT COULD BE A MATTER OF JUST CROSSING OUT CERTAIN PROJECTS FROM THAT LIST. YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IS HOW HOW DID HOW IS THE DECISION MADE ON WHAT GETS CROSSED OUT? WE'D LOOK AT THAT PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, SO AT THIS STAGE IN THE PROGRAM, WE'VE BUNDLED GROUPS, SO WE'LL HAVE A GROUP OF ROADS THAT WILL ARE SCHEDULED TO BE PAVED IN FY 25.
THAT WOULD COME UP TO SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT. WE'LL LOOK WHAT THAT AVERAGE PAYMENT CONDICT.
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AVERAGE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS FOR THAT GROUP OF ROAD AND THE HIGHER THE PC. I WILL LIKELY MEAN IT FALLS OFF. OK, FAIR ENOUGH. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, COULD YOU EDUCATE THE COMMITTEE HERE A LITTLE BIT? YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS OFFLINE. A LITTLE, UH, ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF KEVLAR FIBER ADDITIVES IN ASPHALT. AND IS THERE A PLAN TO, UM, USE THAT TECHNOLOGY IN ANY OF THE PAVING IN THE COMING YEAR? YEAH WELL, I'M NOT GONNA USE NAME BRANDS.SO WE FIBER REINFORCEMENT AND FIBER REINFORCEMENT? YEAH. YEAH FIBER REINFORCEMENT HAS BEEN A GREAT FOR US, BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IN AN ADDITIVE. IT'S JUST FIBERS THAT MELT IT COVERED IN WAX. IT MELTS INTO THE ASPHALT WHEN THEY PROCESS IT, AND WHAT IT DOES IS PREVENT CRACKING. SO IF WE HAVE SAY IN THE ALLEY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT USED TO BE CONCRETE, AND WE WANT TO GO BACK IN WITH AN ASPHALT OVERLAY. WE HAD THE FIBER REINFORCEMENT. IF WE HAVE HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC, AND WE SEE A LOT OF RUNNING ON THAT ROAD, WE CAN ADD THAT FIBER REINFORCEMENT. IT DOES ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THE COST. BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS IT EXTENDS THE LIFE OF THAT ROAD. OK AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS THERE IS THAT INCLUDED IN NEXT YEAR'S PAVING PLAN? YES SIR , AND IT'S GONNA BE SITE SPECIFIC, SO IT'LL DEPEND ON THE SITUATION. WHEN WE ARE OUT THERE DOING THAT PREPA INSPECTION. WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE TREATMENT IS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD CHAIR. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE ENGINEERING COUNCILMAN HUDSON, UH, HELPS US UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THIS FIBER STAFF. IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED ALL THE TIME? OR IS IT GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE NEEDED.
CONDITIONS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA SAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND WORK. IN THE LONG RUN.
YEAH AND WE HAVE BEEN USING IT MORE YEAR OVER YEAR. BUT IT'S AT SOME POINT. THE COST, UH, DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE BENEFIT, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH THE BENEFIT THAT COST IS MINIMAL COMPARED TO THAT BENEFIT OTHER AREAS. IT'S NOT IF WE'VE GOT A ROAD THAT WAS MAYBE JUST CONSTRUCTED 20 YEARS AGO, 25 YEARS AGO, AND IT'S UP FOR THAT FIRST RESURFACING. WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED THE FIBER REINFORCEMENT UNLESS WE ARE ON SOME SOFT GROUND OR OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT ROAD. SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE WOULD USE IT EVERYWHERE. THAT WOULDN'T BE, UM, RESPONSIBLE WITH PUBLIC FUNDS, BUT IT IT'S CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE IN A LOT OF PLACES. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN RUI. OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM I AS MY OFFICE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH SIDEWALKS WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE FOR REPAIR. YEAH, YOU MAKE SMILEY FACES. YEAH, IT'S TOUGH. SO MY QUESTION IS AS FAR AS ST STRATEGICALLY IDENTIFYING THEM. WE KNOW WE KNOW WE NEED TO DEAL WITH FIVES.
WE KNOW WE NEED TO DEAL WITH ONE OF THE BIGGER BUT AS FAR AS LOCATIONS UM IF THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING SCHEDULED IN AN AREA OR WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LIKE A BLOCK. OR A BLOCK OR TWO OF EACH OTHER DOES THAT MAKE MORE EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR FUNDS AND OF OUR TIME FOR GETTING IT REPAIRED? AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING. SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A PAVING POT OF MONEY, AND WE HAVE A SIDEWALK REPAIR POT OF MONEY, AND WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS. NOW THERE IS SOME OVERLAP THERE. SOME SUBS WORK FOR THE PRIMARIES AND VICE VERSA. BUT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IS OUR UM SAVING CONTRACTOR. WHEN THEY ARE ON A BLOCK DOING THE RESURFACING. WE WOULD HAVE THEM TAKE CARE OF EVERY, UH, BARRIER TO ACCESSIBILITY THAT THEY SAW IN THAT SIDEWALK AND, UH, ANYTHING GREATER THAN A QUARTER INCH IS A BARRIER TO ACCESSIBILITY. SO IT'S NOT EVEN JUST THE FOURS AND FIVES. IT'S ANYTHING GREATER THAN A QUARTER INCH. WE REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSING. AND WE WERE THINKING . IF WE DID THAT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAVING, WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE MORE PROGRESS IN FEWER MOBILIZATIONS. NOW IT GETS MUDDY BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY. TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS. THERE ARE DETAILS WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT. BUT THAT WAS WAY WE WERE CONSIDERING, UH, EXTENDING OUR EFFICIENCY. OK, SO WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE GONE? THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE THAT'S POPPING UP. UH, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ME? AS FAR AS PRIORITIZING ONES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FUNDING OUT OF OUR OFFICE AND THAT MAY BE AT YOUR DISCRETION. MISS COUNCILWOMAN? THAT'S ONE WE'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED WITH. WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH EVERY YEAR. SO WHERE DO WE FOCUS? WE RIGHT NOW.
THE PLAN IS BASED ON 26 COUNCIL DISTRICT. SO WE TRY TO GIVE EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT A SMALL PIECE OF THAT PIE. SO WE ARE DILUTED YOU MY PLAN MOVING FORWARD PER SAY, OK, YOU SEE THAT ROAD ON THE PAVING LIST? WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. WHEN WE'RE OUT,
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THERE WOULD BE WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO GO WITH FUTURE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SO DILUTED. IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO SEE US MAKING PROGRESS IN ANY ONE LOCATION. IF WE ADD IT INTO THE PAVING, DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAVING THAT'S A LITTLE OVER. 100 MILES A YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF. OK, THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. NO, WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW I GET THROUGH THIS. UM SO THE AVERAGE PC I IN 2013 FOR THE COLLECTOR RHODES WAS ABOUT 55. RIGHT? I GAVE MY YEAH, IT'S IN THE TABLE. UH I DON'T HAVE THE PLANE IN FRONT OF ME. I CAN GRAB IT, THOUGH. AND DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT? THAT AVERAGE PC I IS FOR THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT VERSUS THE REST OF LOUISVILLE, METRO I. I DON'T HAVE IT FOR THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT. WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT. BUT THE US D DOESN'T HAVE ANY WEIGHT IN HOW WE PRIORITIZE PAVING. SO IT WASN'T A BOUNDARY WE EVER USED IN PART OF OUR PLANNING, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO IT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT. I HAVE AN AVERAGE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX BY COUNCIL DISTRICT IF THAT WOULD HELP UM, SURE. I THINK THAT WE COULD START THERE. UM CAN'T HELP. HOW LONG AND SKINNY. SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS ARE, THOUGH, RIGHT? UM ALL MINES IN THE URBAN SERVICES DISTRICT. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT MENTION. UM AND YOU SAID THAT THE NEXT SURVEY FOR UM THAT PC I IS WHEN I DIDN'T CATCH THAT YEAR AND ALSO DID YOU SAY IT'S BEEN FUNDED? NO MA'AM, IT HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED. IT WOULD BE IN OUR REQUEST FOR FY 25 WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING NOW WHETHER IT'S USING A PORTION OF THE BOND IN MUNICIPAL AID FUNDS THAT THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED THAT 22 MILLION OR HAVING A SEPARATE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET. I DON'T CARE HOW WE GOT THERE. IT'S JUST WE'RE OVERDUE FOR THAT SURVEY. WE THINK IT ADDS A LOT OF VALUE TO OUR PLANNING. IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, BUT I THINK IT REALLY SHOWS US WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE NEED TO GO. SO WHAT'S THE, UM, SO IN A GOOD CASE SCENARIO, IT GETS FUNDED.WHEN WOULD THAT BE COMPLETED? AND THEN HOW MUCH IS THAT AVERAGE FOR? UM THAT SURVEY I. I THINK WE ESTIMATED ABOUT $500,000 FOR THAT SURVEY. IDEALLY WE'D HAVE IT DONE NEAR THE END OF FALL AND EARLY WINTER. THAT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROCESS THAT DATA AND THEN BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IN THAT PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX THAT WE DIDN'T FORESEE THAT CAN BE REFLECTED IN OUR PAVING PLAN FOR FY 26. UM SKIP AHEAD AND MY MIGHT JUMP IN THE QUEUE IF NO ONE ELSE IS IN THERE, BUT I, I HAVE JUST A FEW MORE. UM THERE'S A LOT THAT THE OFFICE OF ADVANCED PLANNING IS WORKING ON IT IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION, AND SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR CORRESPONDENCE AND COLLABORATION LOOKS LIKE WITH THE OFFICE OF ADVANCED PLANNING AND HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENTLY AS WE APPROACH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. SO THE FIRST THING WE DO IS SHARE WITH THEM OUR PROPOSED PAVING PLAN AND WE JUST WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO RIGHT SIZE SO THAT TEAM WILL GO THROUGH OUR PAVING LIST. THIS IS EVERYTHING WE PROPOSE IN FY, 25 AND 26, AND THEY'LL LOOK AT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES CAN COST NOTHING. WE'RE JUST WE HAVE TO STRIPE THAT ROAD, WHETHER WE PUT A DOUBLE YELLOW CENTER LINE OR WE'RE ADDING BIKE LANES OR TAKING FOUR LANES AND MAKING THREE. SOMETIMES THE COST OF THAT IMPROVEMENT IS MINIMAL. IT'S REALLY THAT PAVING PROJECT THAT DRIVES IT, SO WE TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT BY SHARING THEM WITH THEM. OUR PAVING PLAN. UM AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR A SIDEWALK REPAIR TO BE COMPLETED? THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY HAVE AN AVERAGE SO YOU NOW LOOK AT THE TWO DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY. SO WE'VE GOT OUR $2,000,003 MILLION PUBLIC WORKS, SIDEWALK REPAIR BUDGET AND ALL OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WERE SPECIFIED IN THAT PLAN. THOSE WE USUALLY START ON ONE END OF THE COUNTY AND JUST WORK OUR WAY AROUND IF IT'S A MID YEAR APPROPRIATION OR SOME APPROPRIATION DURING THE FISCAL YEAR, THAT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO PREDICT WHEN IT WOULD BE REPAIRED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THAT CREW WILL BE IN THE AREA AGAIN. DID THAT.
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, BUT I'M ALSO WONDERING IF I REPORT A SIDEWALK TO 311. AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THIS WHAT I WOULD CALL A SUBJECTIVE PROCESS OF BEING GRADED. UH, FOR COMPLETION . UM WHAT? HA WHAT WERE THE TIMELINE LOOK LIKE THAT? YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND IT'S I'M NOT, UH, MY SIDEWALKS ARE LUCKILY GOOD. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, THEORETICALLY, I. I REPORT THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AS HAZARDOUS AND DANGEROUS. UM, TO 311. HOW LONG I EXPECT FOR THAT TO, YOU KNOW, BE COMPLETED AND AT THIS POINT,
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IT COULD BE A COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'RE REPAIRING SIDEWALKS THAT WERE REPORTED IN 2019. SO WITH THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET WE'RE ADDRESSING SACS THAT WERE REPORTED IN 2019. AND LAST QUESTION, UM YOU HAD VARIOUS CLASSIFICATIONS FOR BRIDGES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOSE? AND THEN DO YOU ALSO HAVE THE DIFFERENT FUNDING POOLS FOR THOSE AND OUR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES? UM PRIORITIZE THE SAME WAY AS VEHICULAR BRIDGES. YES SO TO ANSWER THE LAST QUESTION FIRST.YES, THAT'S IT'S ALL ABOUT STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. NOW, THE LOADS ON A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AREN'T QUITE AS HIGH, SO THE DESIGN IS MUCH LESS COMPLICATED. BUT IT IS COMPARABLE IN THE WAY WE HANDLE BRIDGES. UH REALLY, THE ONLY UNDERFUNDING SOURCE IS REACHED ALMOST MUNICIPAL AID FUNDS FROM THE STATE, SO THEY CALL IT THE 8020 BRIDGE PROGRAM WHERE METRO PAYS 20% AND THE STATE PROVIDES 80, BUT THAT AMOUNT ARE USUALLY BETWEEN 100 AND $6200 A YEAR. IT'S NOT A LOT THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE FOR BRIDGES. AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE BRIDGE REPAIRS ARE JUST BOND OR GENERAL FUNDED. AND AS FAR AS THE CLASSIFICATIONS IT REALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH SIZE.
SO, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF A BRIDGE, IT MAY BE MAINTAINED BY THE STATE. UH, THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER BRIDGES ARE INSPECTED BY THE STATE EVERY TWO YEARS, AND THEN THE SMALLEST BRIDGES WE HANDLE IN HOUSE AND THAT'S USUALLY MAYBE A 2 TO 4 YEAR INSPECTION ROTATION, AND WE'RE USUALLY FUNDING THOSE ALL IN HOUSE. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN FLOOD THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
HEY THANKS FOR BEING HERE. JEFF I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE'VE REPAID WHAT ROADS AND SAY SOMEONE LIKE MS D OR SPECTRUM OR SOMEONE CUTS SPOTS OUT IN THE ASPHALT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO. I GUESS IT'S UP TO THEM TO REPAIR THAT. DO WE GO OUT AND INSPECT THE JOB TO SEE THAT MAKES OUR SPECIFICATIONS ARE WE JUST I. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HIT EVERY SINGLE UTILITY RESTORATION LOCATION. UM WE GET AS MANY AS WE CAN. IT'S SIMPLY WE'RE NOT SIMPLY STAFF TO HIT THAT MANY AREAS WHEN YOU HAVE LG AND E, LOUISVILLE WIRE COMPANY MS D AND ALL THE TELECOM PROVIDERS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CUTTING THAT ROAD. WE JUST CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THEM.
HOW LONG DO THEY GUARANTEE THEIR PATCH? I MEAN, SINCE WE CAN'T INSPECT IT, BUT WE KNOW ON THE PERMIT WHEN THEY DID IT. HOW LONG DOES ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE TO REPLACE IT? IF IT FAILS, I'M JUST SEEING A LOT OF SPOTS. UH, NOT JUST MY DISTRICT, BUT ALL OVER DRIVING ALL OVER THAT ARE CUTS THAT SEEM A LITTLE BIT FRESHER. UM, AND THAT THEY'RE FAILING. IN PLEASE LET US KNOW WHENEVER YOU COME ACROSS THOSE WHAT HAPPENS IS SAY LGD, FOR EXAMPLE, WANTED TO REPLACE, UH, GAS LINES IN THE CUSTOMERS HOMES SO THEY MAY DO 2030 40 OF THOSE SMALLER CUTS. ONCE ALL OF THAT IS COMPLETE. THEN THEY WOULD GO BACK IN AND RESURFACE THAT ROAD SO YOU MAY HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME. SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS, MAYBE EVEN 18 MONTHS WHILE THEY'RE STILL IN AN AREA DOING WORK BECAUSE THE WORK'S NOT COMPLETED ISN'T READY FOR THAT FINAL RESTORATION, SO TOLERATING SOME UTILITY CUTS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A FACT. AND I'VE TURNED THIS ALREADY INTO, UM TO METRO CALL AND PUBLIC WORKS IS THAT PRESTON HIGHWAY HAS A LOT. IT'S NOT JUST MY DISTRICT, BUT A LOT OF ON THE, UH, SOUTHBOUND LANE THAT LOOKS LIKE COMING FROM, UM THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE, UM, NEAR FERN VALLEY SOUTH PASSED OUTER LOOP THAT IT'S THEY'RE FAILING. THE PATCHES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN ARE FAILING. BADLY. BUT SORRY, TURNED IN. I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW LONG THEY GUARANTEED THAT YOU KNOW THAT THEY WOULD GO BACK OUT AND HAVE TO FIX. SINCE IT'S FAILING AND I THINK IN OUR UTILITY POLICY, IT'S ONE YEAR THAT IS ON THE STATE ROAD. I THINK THE STATE'S POLICY IS COMPARABLE, BUT I CAN I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN. OK, THANKS. MR BROWN. DO YOU HAVE ANY FUNDING FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT HAS NOT BEEN ALLOCATED FOR PAVING SIDEWALKS? YES AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH. SO THE FISCAL YEARS ENDS JUNE 30TH, SO WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PAVING AND SOUR PREPARED PROJECTS TO COMPLETE IN THE HAVE THE MONEY NOW TO GET IT DONE, OK AND LAST, UM IN THE SIDEWALK REPAIR REQUEST FROM 7 2019 TO 1130 23.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SHADED AREA AND THE UNSHADED AREA? SO I BELIEVE THAT SHADED AREA IS WHAT $1 MILLION. THAT'S HOW FAR $1 MILLION WOULD GO IN FY 25. SO IF OUR SIDEWALK PREPARED BUDGET WITH FY 25, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE LOCATIONS WE WOULD REPAIR BASED ON THAT CHRONOLOGICAL PROCESS. AND IS THAT THE BUDGET AMOUNT YOU ALL ARE ASKING FOR? UH WE ASKED FOR
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3,000,002 MILLION OF THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THOSE PROACTIVE REPAIRS WHERE WE CAN DO COMPLETE BLOCKS AND THEN MOVE. REMOVE ALL THOSE IMPEDIMENTS TO ACCESSIBILITY. THE 1 MILLION WOULD GO TOWARDS THESE REQUESTED LOCATIONS. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GO BACK AND HAVE SOMEONE TO PUT THIS IN ORDER, ACCORDING TO DISTRICT OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, IT'S IS SCATTERED EVERYWHERE. YES OK, SO YOU WANT A DISTRICT SPECIFIC? YES. YES, MA'AM. OK, UM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. MR BROWN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THIS[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]
MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.