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WELCOME THIS IS THE APRIL 8TH MEETING OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LAND USE. UH I'M THE CHAIR.ANDREW OWEN. UH MY VICE CHAIR. UH KHALIL BETSAN HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. HE'S DOING A LARGE
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CATERING JOB TODAY AND COULDN'T GRACE US WITH HIS PRESENCE. UH I AM JOINED, UH, IN THE CHAMBERS BY COUNCILWOMAN BETSY RUY COUNCILMAN DAN S JUNIOR ONLINE. I'M JOINED BY COUNCILMAN TONY[00:05:02]
PITI COUNCILWOMAN SHOULD MAKE A PARISH COUNCILMAN SCOTT REED. COUNCILWOMAN JENNIFER CHAPPELL.CHERYL, YOU WANNA READ THE THIS MEETING HAS BEEN HERE FOR SOON TO KR 61.826 IN COUNCIL ROOM FIVE, A. R FOUR. THANK YOU, UH, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO, UH, IN ABOUT 1010 MINUTES OR SO, UH, IS OUR THE LAST MEETING WE HAD MEMPHIS, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FROM MEMPHIS AND THE
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PLANNING DIRECTOR FROM MINNEAPOLIS COM AND TALK TO US ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON. AND I WANTED. UM OUR PLANNING, UH, AND DESIGN PEOPLE TO KIND OF TELL US ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON. THEY THEY WERE. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE. OF YEARS JUST KIND OF A BROAD LAND USE REFORM LA LA, UH, PROCESS, AND I WANTED THEM TO GIVE US KIND OF AN UPDATE STATUS ON THAT, AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL MOVE ON TO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. SO WITH THAT, UH, JOEL, YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. YES OF COURSE. JOEL DOCK PLANNING AND DESIGN. UH, SERVICES. UM I'M THE PLANNING SUPERVISOR WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM, TEXT AMENDMENTS AND BORDER ZONING ADJUSTMENT STAFF. UM I ALSO HAVE WITH ME HERE TODAY. RACHEL CASEY , WHO'S A SENIOR PLANNER? UM THIS WORK COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT HER, UM, HER SUPPORT. ALSO BRIAN DAVIS, THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF PLANNING, AND KATHY GOMEZ, WHO IS AN ASSOCIATE IN OUR OFFICE AND CONTRIBUTES TO THIS WORK ON A DAILY BASIS. SO I JUST WANT TO, UH AGAIN, GO BACK, AND, UM YOU KNOW, ANYTIME I TALK ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD JUST TO SAY WHAT IT IS, UM, AGAIN. IT'S AN EQUITY FOCUSED APPROACH TO REVISE THE L DC CONSISTENT WITH PLAN 2040 TO ALLOW FOR INCREASED HOUSING CHOICES AND OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY WITHIN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ALSO TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE BY REDUCING THE CONCENTRATION OF, UM ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS NEAR HOUSING. UH, THIS WORK HAS BEEN ON SINCE THE SUMMER OF 2020 PRIOR TO THAT WE HAD ALSO BEEN DOING WORK ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM THROUGH A HOUSING FOCUS, IDENTIFYING THE BARRIERS TO HOUSING THAT WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2019 BY OPTICS AGAIN IN THE WINTER OF 2019. WE PRODUCED ANOTHER STUDY CALLED ADVANCING EQUITY, WHERE WE AGAIN LOOKED AT THE BARRIERS. SO MUCH OF THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WORK HAS SUPPORT THAT BEGAN BEFORE WE RECEIVED AN ORDINANCE FROM THE LOUISVILLE METRO COUNCIL AS WAS A RESOLUTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DIRECTION FROM THE FISHER ADMINISTRATION AT THE TIME TO PURSUE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PURSUE, UM IN IN ENHANCED METHOD OF OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT THAT WOULD FOCUS ON EQUITY. SO ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE HAD ESSENTIALLY SATELLITE OFFICE HOURS OR OFFICE HOURS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AT THE LOUISVILLE FREE PUBLIC LIBRARY.THESE ARE AGENDA LIST. COME AND TALK TO US. WE WANT TO HEAR, UM WHAT'S HAPPENING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT'S FAIR WITH HOUSING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT ZONING WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ZONING AND THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS IS ZONING MATTERS. IT AFFECTS OUR LIFE IN ALL FACETS, AND WE WANNA ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE IN SPACES THAT ARE COMFORTABLE FOR THEM TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. WE AT THE VERY FIRST LAND USE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, I DISCUSSED WHAT IS MIDDLE HOUSING . SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE RELEASED MIDDLE HOUSING. UH, TAKING A STEP BACK PRIOR TO PROPOSING THESE MIDDLE HOUSING REGULATIONS. CHANGES HAD ALREADY BEEN UNDERTAKEN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ADOPT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT STANDARDS TO ADOPT NEW STANDARDS FOR URBAN AGRICULTURE TO ALLOW DUPLEXES BY RIGHT IN MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, ELIMINATE FA R AND A COUPLE OTHER SMALL CHANGES THAT OVERALL INCREASE THE ABILITY TO DELIVER HOUSING IN LOUISVILLE METRO. SO WHAT IS MIDDLE HOUSING ? UM, AS I SAID IN THE LAST WEEK USE COMMITTEE MEETING, IT'S THAT RANGE OF EVERYTHING BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT'S YOUR DUPLEXES. YOUR TRIPLEX IS YOUR FOUR PLEXUS, COTTAGE COURTS, OTHER WALKABLE FORMS OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS NEITHER A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME. NOR IS IT A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH LARGE PARKING FACILITIES. UH, WE PUBLISHED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MIDDLE HOUSING ON MARCH 18TH. WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. OPEN THROUGH MAY 12TH WE HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE? UH, ON MAY 8TH, THE ALBERTA JONES PARK FROM 3 TO 6 P.M. AND ANOTHER ONE ON MAY 11TH AT THE SOUTH CENTRAL LIBRARY THAT WILL RUN FROM 2 A.M. 10 AM TO 2 P.M. WE'VE DONE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS SPECIFICALLY ON MIDDLE HOUSING, BEGINNING IN THE WINTER OF 2021 WITH A, UH UH, AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION WE BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT FROM OPTIC COASTS DESIGN WHO COINED THE TERM MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TO GIVE AN HOUR LONG INFORMATION SESSION DETAILING ALL ASPECTS OF MIDDLE HOUSING. WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION ONLINE ALL MATERIAL THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. RIGHT NOW. ALL OF OUR ENGAGEMENT IS
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ONLINE. WE'VE DONE WALKING TOURS BEGINNING IN THE FALL OF 2021. WE'VE BUILT WITH LEGOS IN THE SPRING OF 2023. WE'VE DONE MORE WALKING TOURS IN THE SPRING OF 2023 AGAIN. WE'VE DONE THE LIBRARY HOURS. WE DID A DESIGN CHARRETTE IN THE SUMMER, WE'VE ENGAGED WITH THE LOUISVILLE URBAN LEAGUE OR YMB. UH, YES IN MY BACKYARD, WHICH IS A GROUP THAT'S NEW TO LOUISVILLE.GREATER LOUISVILLE ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. STREETS FOR PEOPLE, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GROUPS WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH SPECIFICALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR PUBLIC EVENTS AGAIN. PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN UNTIL MAY. 12TH 2024 UH, YOU WILL SEE A MAP DOWN AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SCREEN THAT SHOWS WHERE WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM, UM IT'S EXCITING TO LOOK THAT WE HAVE A WIDE DISPERSION OF COMMENTING FROM ACROSS THE LOUISVILLE METRO AREA , AND THIS GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHERE WE MIGHT NEED TO FOCUS FOR SOME TAILORED IN PERSON ENGAGEMENT AS WELL. SO THE MIDDLE HOUSING RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN. THESE ARE ALL ONLINE. THEY WERE RELEASED MARCH 18TH FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE CHAMBERS TODAY. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, ESSENTIALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS STATE THAT DUPLEXES TRIPLEXES FOUR PLEXUS, TOWNHOUSES, WALKING , COURTS AND COTTAGE COURTS ARE TO BE PERMITTED IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE FOLLOWING FORM DISTRICTS, TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS, NEIGHBORHOOD VILLAGE AND VILLAGE CENTER FORM DISTRICTS. THERE ARE THEN SOME SPECIFIC DESIGN REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT MIDDLE HOUSING REMAINS. SYSTEM WITH THE EXISTING BUILT ENVIRONMENT, MEANING THAT OUR PREDOMINANT FORM IS SINGLE FAMILY. THEREFORE MIDDLE HOUSING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT PREDOMINANT FORM OF DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MEANING IT WILL BE NO TALLER. NO WIDER, NO DEEPER. IT WILL TAKE THE SAME APPEARANCE AND ORIENTATION AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UH THERE'S OTHER EXCEPTIONS IN THERE ABOUT LOCATION AND, UH, ROAD CLASSIFICATION, AND I WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO GO ONLINE AND READ THE FULL DRAFT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, WE ALSO, UH, CONTRACTED WITH MKSK TO PUT A SERIES OF MIDDLE HOUSING GRAPHICS TOGETHER. UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, NOT EVERYONE. UM YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS ARE VISUAL LEARNERS AND A GRAPHIC LIKE THIS CLEARLY SHOWS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IN ALL OF THOSE WORDS THAT WE WROTE DOWN ON PAPER. SO UH, THESE MIDDLE HOUSING GRAPHICS LAY IT OUT. UM PRETTY SEAMLESSLY. OTHER CITIES HAVE TAKEN THIS APPROACH. UH, CINCINNATI HAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR. BUT INSTEAD OF GRAPHICS THEY USE THE ACTUAL IMAGES. WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER COMBINED BEST PRACTICES FROM CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO CREATE A SET OF GRAPHICS. AGAIN ALL OF THIS IS ONLINE. WE'VE GOT A MAP ONLINE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS WHICH THOSE OF YOU IN THE CHAMBERS WILL HAVE A COPY OF UM, WE'VE ALSO PUBLISHED RECOMMENDATIONS ON FACTORY BUILT HOUSING. SO THIS THESE ARE YOUR MANUFACTURED HOMES, YOUR MODULAR HOMES. THIS IS NOT A MOBILE HOME . MOBILE HOMES ARE REGULATED DIFFERENTLY. UM, BUT WHAT WE WERE FINDING WAS THAT THE REGULATIONS FOR FACTORY BUILT HOUSING WAS COMPLICATED. UH, DIDN'T DELIVER THE TYPE OF HOME THAT WE WANTED AT THE AFFORDABLE . UH, PRICET WE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES MANUFACTURED HOUSING ATTRACTIVE. UM, SO WE WANTED TO GET BACK IN THERE AND MAKE, YOU KNOW AN AN EASY TO USE SET OF STANDARDS THAT AGAIN DELIVERS CONSISTENCY WITH THE PREDOMINANT FORM OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. SO, UM I. I THINK TO SUMMARIZE THESE REGULATIONS. THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT AND WHAT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THE IMAGE OF ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT THE REGULATIONS WILL STIPULATE, UH, BE ALLOWED AND BE ALLOWED WITHOUT AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS.
I'M VERY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE AFTER MUCH WORK WITH A ARP ONE OF OUR, UH, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS THAT'S BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE REFORM. WE NOW HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT PRE APPROVED PLANS ONLINE FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE FREE OF CHARGE IN THEIR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION. THIS MEANS THAT THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND THE OFFICE OF CONSTRUCTION REVIEW HAVE REVIEWED EACH SET OF THESE PLANS, INCLUDING A CONSTRUCTION SET, AS WELL AS EXTERIOR DESIGNS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. WE'VE REVIEWED THEM AGAINST THE REGULATIONS REVIEWED THEM AGAINST THE BUILDING CODE AND ANYBODY CAN COME INTO THE OFFICE AND SAY I WANT TO BUILD AN A U AND WE HAVE TAKEN 3 TO $5000 OFF THE COST OF BUILDING AN AD U BY DELIVERING FREE AD U PLANS THE IMAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN THAT HAS THE FOUR IMAGES WITHIN IT. THAT ONE PLAN SET HAS 107 DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS OF, UH, LAYOUTS. SO FOR THE PRICE OF ONE PLAN, WE GET 100 AND SEVEN DIFFERENT OF WHAT YOU CAN DO, UH , IN THE REAR OF YOUR PROPERTY AND PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING. UM WE ALSO HAVE CONTRACT CONTRACTED WITH OPTICS DESIGN AGAIN LAST YEAR TO CONDUCT A HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY, UH, WHERE THEY ARE LOOKING AT AN ANALYSIS
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OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN LOUISVILLE METRO SPECIFICALLY ALONG OUR CORRIDORS AND THEIR IDENTIFYING THE ANCHORS WITHIN THOSE, SO OUR MIXED USE AREAS, UM ARE ARE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, AREAS WITH ACTIVITY IN THEM, AND THEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE AROUND THEM WITHIN A QUARTER MILE AND A HALF MILE TO IDENTIFY IF THE HOUSING TYPES THAT EXIST IN THAT AREA ONE SUPPORT THAT ANCHOR AND IF TWO, THOSE ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS CAN SUPPORT MORE HOUSING, IN TURN, INCREASING THE VIABILITY OF THOSE ANCHORS AND INCREASING USE ALONG OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS. UH, WE HAD SOME OPEN HOUSES. UH, BACK IN FEBRUARY.YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGES ON THE BOTTOM. UM UH, THE OPEN HOUSES WERE AT THE WESTERN LIBRARY AND THE NEWBURGH LIBRARY. UH, THE ONE AT THE WESTERN LIBRA. WAS WELL ATTENDED A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATIONS. UH, ABOUT HOUSING , UH, ABOUT OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS ABOUT MIXED USE, UM, ABOUT CAPACITY FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM SO WITH THAT I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, THAT CONCLUDES, JUST THIS BRIEF UPDATE. WE DO THESE UPDATES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION EVERY TWO MONTHS. SO THIS IS THE UPDATE THAT I GAVE TO THE POINTING COMMISSION. UM, LAST THURSDAY. WE'LL DO ANOTHER ONE HERE IN A MONTH AND A HALF TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO COME BACK AND SPEAK TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH ANOTHER UPDATE, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. THANKS JOEL . UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THERE ONE. WE OUR OUR PLANNING AND DESIGN. UH GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW. THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME. SO UM, IN IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE PUSHBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT KIND OF AN OFF THE CUFF THING OR SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED. YOU KNOW , JUST RIGHT NOW. IT'S BEEN ONGOING SINCE 2020. IT IS ONGOING IN CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THIS IS NOT UNIQUE, UNIQUE TO LOUISVILLE. UM SO, UM, THE SECOND UM AND WE'LL IF YOU YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THE THROUGH THROUGH THE AGENDA FOR NOW, AND THEN WE CAN COME TO QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE. MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD QUEST BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR JOEL, ARE WE GONNA HOLD OFF UNTIL THE END? IT'S IF YOU FEW QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY. SAY AGAIN. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE FINE TO GO AHEAD AND ASK JOEL QUESTIONS. UM COUNCILMAN REEDS IN THE Q, SO I'LL LET HIM START AND THEN UM AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. B. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, AND, UH I'LL BE BRIEF. SO QUESTION TO JOE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT WALKING TOURS, LIBRARY HOURS, ETCETERA. UH, HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE OUTSIDE OF THE WATERSON? AND HAVE YOU BEEN OUT TO DISTRICT 16 YET? WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU WE WE'D LOVE TO COME OUT TO THE DISTRICT 16. WE WERE ACTUALLY AT THE NORTHEAST LIBRARY ON TUESDAY. UM II. I PUT OUT A MAP SHOWING WHERE THE COMMENT DISTRIBUTION. UM THE COMMENT. DISTRIBUTION IS ACROSS THE LOUISVILLE METRO AREA. ACTUALLY ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, MUCH COMMENT. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING AT THE SOUTH CENTRAL LIBRARY. UM THAT WILL TAKE UP SOME OF THE LACK OF COMMENTS FROM THAT CENTRAL AREA. UM, BUT I THINK IN THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THERE'S A PRETTY WIDE DISTRIBUTION, UM, OF INPUT. UM, ON THIS PROJECT, AND, UM, YEAH, I I'M NOT SURE. WHICH DISTRICT THE NORTHEAST LIBRARY IS IN, BUT WE WERE JUST OUT THERE ON ON TUESDAY. UH, IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES FROM FROM MY DISTRICT. MY DISTRICT 16, ARE YOU CIRCULATING THESE NOTIFICATIONS TO THE COUNCIL OFFICES? YES. SO WE SENT WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATION VIA GOV DELIVERY. UM, WE ALSO REACH OUT TO, UM UH, THE LEGISLATIVE, UH, ASSISTANCE. UM THAT HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST. WE'RE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM. SPECIFICALLY WE WOULD LOVE FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PUT THIS INFORMATION IN THEIR NEWSLETTERS BECAUSE WE NEED UM, TO CIRCULATE THIS TO EVERYONE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN ALL DISTRICTS WHETHER THEY RENT OR OWN HAS ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION. OK SO YES, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE YOU TO COME CLOSER TO MY DISTRICT BECAUSE UH, IT HAS A LOT OF INTEREST. UH AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK. YEAH, AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS IS TO ENGAGE ALL OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND ALL REGIONS OF THE CITY EQUALLY SO UM AT ANY RATE. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN P ARGENTI. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. SO UH, JO, A COUPLE QUICK THINGS FIRST,
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UM YOU MENTIONED ALL RESIDENTIAL AS IN MIDDLE HOUSING. IT IT WOULD ENCOMPASS OR BE INSERTED INTO ALL RESIDENTIAL CODES. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY, UH, SUPPORT THE MIDDLE HOUSING IDEA.BUT WHEN YOU SAY ALL RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD INCLUDE RRR ONE. THESE ARE VERY RURAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES WHERE YOU HAVE, IN SOME CASES, UH, ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES. UH LARGELY , THAT'S IN AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE SEWAGE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO ARE WE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HOUSING, AND, UH, INSERTING IT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL CODE AND WAIVING DENSITY OR KEEPING THE SAME DENSITY STANDARDS BUT ALLOWING THESE HOUSING TYPES RIGHT. SO UH , VERY GOOD POINT. THE RR THE R ONE AND THE RE DISTRICT CERTAINLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE RETHINK A DRAFT OF THIS REGULATION AT THIS POINT. UM WE WERE LOOKING AT A FORM BASED APPROACH. SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IS THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT OF MIDDLE HOUSING? SO THE QUICK ANSWER TO CHANGING DENSITY MIDDLE HOUSING WOULD BE PERMITTED AND MIDDLE HOUSING WOULD BE PERMITTED WITH SPECIAL STANDARDS IN ALL OF THESE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, MEANING THAT A FOUR PEX WOULD BE PERMITTED IN AN AREA THAT PREVIOUSLY ONLY ALLOWED ONE HOME ON ONE LOT. UM THIS WOULD, UH, CHANGE THE DENSITY THAT'S PERMITTED, BUT WOULD ONLY CHANGE THE DENSITY THAT'S PERMITTED IF YOU SPECIFICALLY FOLLOW THE SPECIAL STANDARDS THAT ARE LAID OUT FOR MIDDLE HOUSING, SO MIDDLE HOUSING CALLS FOR ORIENTATION TOWARDS THE STREET. IT CALLS FOR A CERTAIN DEPTH AND WIDTH THAT CALLS FOR PARKING AT THE REAR. IF YOU CAN'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS, AND YOU STILL WANT TO DELIVER A FOREX, IT WILL TAKE A REZONING. YEAH AND THIS IS WHERE I I'M GONNA DIFFER A LITTLE BIT FROM MY COLLEAGUE AND THE CHAIRS . COMMENT ON UH, THIS NOT BEING NEW I. I AGREE THAT THE PROCESS IS NOT NEW IN THAT IT WAS STARTED. YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AGO, BUT WE ARE NOW GETTING TO THE SPECIFICS, WHICH IS NEW. OK UH AND SO THE PROBLEM WITH MAIN DEVELOPMENT REFORM IS NOT SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE DON'T AGREE THAT WE NEED TO REFORM IT. IT'S THEY DISAGREE ON THE DETAILS, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THAT FRANKLY, I JUST DISAGREE WITH, UH, IN THAT, UH, WE'RE TREATING THE WHOLE COUNTY UH, THE SAME AND THE WHOLE COUNTY IS NOT THE SAME. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT WE'VE SEEN AN EXPLOSION OF APARTMENTS.
I HAVE THE SECOND HIGHEST APARTMENT, UH, DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY NEXT TO MADONNA FLOODS DISTRICT. AND, UM UH, BUT WE DO. DON'T DO NOT SEE ANY UH, SINGLE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT IN CHORY ARTHUR'S DISTRICT, RIGHT? WHY BECAUSE HE HAS A VERY DENSE URBAN, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE KIND OF OPEN SPACE AND DETACHMENT FROM URBAN CENTERS THAT I DID. RIGHT, SO THAT JUST MAKES SENSE. UH AND I I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING BECAUSE OUR FOUR PARTICULARLY IS SORT OF BLANKETED ACROSS THE COUNTY. WHICH ITSELF WAS A MISTAKE, FRANKLY, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT. WE'RE CREATING A SCENARIO THAT WE COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT DENSITY AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT , YOU KNOW, FACING AND PARKING IN THE BACK AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH WITH EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE, RIGHT AND THAT KIND OF DENSITY IN CERTAIN VERY RURAL AREAS OF MY DISTRICT AND ARE STORE BENSON'S DISTRICT AND OTHERS.
UH, IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE MISMATCH IN THE ABILITY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT I DO WANT TO JUXTAPOSE THAT WITH YOUR IDEA ABOUT FOR RIGHT. SO I DO THINK AND WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT RELATED TO PROXIMITY TO THE CORRIDORS. BUT ONCE YOU GET IN ONE OF THE QUARTERS OF SHELBYVILLE ROAD THROUGH MY DISTRICT, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT CLOSER TO THAT CORRIDOR. BUT WHEN YOU GET FURTHER AWAY FROM IT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT A LOT, ALLOWING, UH, A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DENSITY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL QUADRUPLING OF THE DENSITY BY PUTTING FOUR PLAQUES ON SINGLE LOTS. UH, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, THE CASE PRIOR. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. AND THEN LAST QUESTION THIS ORGANIZATION, THE INMATE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT STANDS FOR. YES, IN MY BACKYARD. UH, WHO THEY REPRESENT, LIKE WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE A PART OF THAT? ARE THEY CAN WE GET A LITTLE MORE VISIBILITY IN THIS ORGANIZATION? IT'S UH, UNDER IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF SOCIAL ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS UH, HOUSING CHANGES. BEYOND THAT, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT ARRANGES AND WANTS TO SPEAK. UM ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. BEYOND
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THAT. UM I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME CONTACT INFORMATION. FOR THE POINT FOR WHO THE POINT PERSON PERSON IS. UM BEYOND THAT. I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION. THAT'S OK. AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND ALL I WOULD SAY IS, I SAW THE DISPERSION OF COMMENTS THAT IT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM SOME AREAS AND I'M NOT PICKING ON THIS BECAUSE I DISLIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT WOULD BE LIKE OLD LOUISVILLE OR THE BARSTOW ROAD CORRIDOR. THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WONDERFUL , BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY, AND THEY HAVE SPECIAL PROTECTIONS IN THOSE AREAS THAT ESSENTIALLY MAKE IT BORDERING ON IMPOSSIBLE TO DEVELOP, PARTICULARLY HIGH DENSITY IN IN DOING OTHER THINGS. UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIAL OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT PROTECT AGAINST UM YOU KNOW THIS SORT OF VARIETY OF HOUSING. SO III. I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALSO EXPLORING WHAT THAT MEANS. AND SOME OF THE SPECIFIC UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTIONS. IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING BLANKET COUNTYWIDE, THEN IT SHOULD ACTUALLY IMPACT ALL AREAS EQUALLY OR AGAIN. I WOULD PREFER THE SAME WAY WE DO WITH BARSTOW. UH, THE OLD LOUISVILLE AREA. UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND DIFFERENT DESIGNS AND DIFFERENT NUANCES AND CREATE COUNTYWIDE POLICIES THAT ENSURE THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, LOCALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, I. I DID WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT JOEL IS AREN'T THERE AND NOT I. I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN PAGNI WAS SAYING ABOUT FOR MULTIPLYING THE DENSITY BY FOUR TIMES, BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF DROPPING A FOUR PEX INTO THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD ON A OLD FARM ROAD, THERE ARE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE CARVE OUTS IS AND I THINK YOU CALLED THEM SPECIAL STANDARDS OR SOMETHING THAT AREN'T THERE. SOME CARVE OUTS FOR THAT KIND OF SITUATION, AND I YOU BRING IN SOME ATTENTION TO THAT, SO YEAH, WE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE METRO AREA, WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR TRADITIONAL AREAS ARE IN A GRIDDED SYSTEM AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WALK IS REALLY GOOD. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE GET OUT INTO THE COUNTY BEYOND 265, WE HAVE COUNTY ROADS AND STATE ROADS THAT ARE 16 FT. WIDE 17 FT WIDE THEIR COLLECTOR LEVEL ROADS, IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO DROP A DUPLEX MID COUNTY ROAD THAT'S ISOLATED THAT CREATES AN ISOLATED POCKET OF DENSITY. WE WANT TO SEE MIDDLE HOUSING BE DIRECTED TO EXISTING COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE IS ALREADY RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OR BE LOCATED. TRANSIT AND ALONG A STREET THAT HAVE TRANSIT CONNECTIVITY. SO FOR THOSE STAND ALONE AND ISOLATED TYPES LIKE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND FOUR FLEXES WHERE YOU AREN'T GONNA BRING TOGETHER A LARGER DEVELOPMENT LIKE A TOWNHOUSE OR A COTTAGE COURT TYPE DEVELOPMENT . WE LIMIT THOSE ON COLLECTOR LEVEL ROADS AND ARTERIAL LEVEL ROADS. UNLESS THERE'S TRANSIT CONNECTIVITY. WE RESTRICT THOSE TO LOCAL ROADS. WHAT WE ALSO HAVEN'T DONE IS ALLOWED FOR MIDDLE HOUSING TO PROLIFERATE. ALONG OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY FOR FOUR UNITS, A LOT WHERE THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR, UM YOU KNOW HUNDREDS OF UNITS AT MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE STORIES TO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND TO SUPPORT UM, A HIGHER RATE OF TRANSIT ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. UM SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL PIATTI HERE AND PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS THE AREA OF MIDDLE HOUSING THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BALANCING.UM WHERE, WHERE THE DENSITY IS GOING. UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY , UM, SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW BEST TO APPROACH THOSE SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS. UM BUT THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. ANYBODY ELSE HERE? YES. COUNCILWOMAN PERISH RIGHT? THANK YOU. I TRIED TO. IT'S HARD TO GET IN THE QUEUE ON WEBEX. UM I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, JOEL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I AM A YB PERSON. A YES IN MY BACKYARD BECAUSE I KNOW THAT OUR HOUSING STOCK IS NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE, BUT I'M ALSO A SHABBY RESIDENT. UM HOMEOWNER, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S PARTICULAR RULES AND STANDARDS DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE. SO THANK YOU FOR FLUSHING THAT OUT. I WOULD LIKE A PHYSICAL COPY OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN CHAMBERS. I'M ACTUALLY PULLED OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE I WAS GETTING LUNCH WHEN THIS MEETING STARTED, SO I WOULD LIKE THAT. I'M ACTUALLY ON MY WAY TO THE OFFICE. SO IF YOU COULD LEAVE IT WHERE THE DISTRICT THREE CHAIR IS, THAT
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WOULD BE FINE. AND I WANTED TO SAY, UM UH, WHERE ARE UM WE HAVE COMMUNITIES LIKE RUSSELL. I'M SITTING IN RUSSELL. NOW AND I ACTUALLY OWN ANOTHER HOME IN IN THE RUSSELL COMMUNITY WHERE IT IS A CHOICE TO EITHER TEAR IT DOWN OR TO REHAB IT AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE THINGS WERE WITH II. I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE MAKE SOMETHING, UM IT'S GONNA APPLY DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT AREAS BASED ON WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. BUT IF I WAS A HOMEOWNER, AND THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT NEED TO BE TORN DOWN, AND WE WANTED TO REPLACE IT WITH SOME OF THIS MIDDLE HOUSING, IS THERE A PATHWAY FOR THAT? CURRENTLY A PATHWAY. OR FOR THE FUTURE. I MEAN, THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE.FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT YEAH. IS THERE CURRENTLY A PATHWAY? YES UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION. UM I MEAN, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING DISTRICT , UM THE UN ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW FOR A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN DELIVERING FOR MULTI FAMILY. UM THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT NOW HAS TWO UNITS AS THE BASE DENSITY SO YOU COULD REBUILD WITH TWO UNITS INSTEAD OF ONE UNIT. IF THE LOT SIZE DOESN'T QUITE WORK OUT, THERE'S DEFINITELY PATHWAYS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT DETAIL WITH YOU. BUT WITH THE MIDDLE HOUSING REGULATIONS. YOU KNOW, IT'LL GIVE YOU A GREATER FLEXIBILITY OF CHOICE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, REMOVAL AND REBUILD WITH MIDDLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME LARGE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING SPECIFICALLY IN IN THE RUSSELL COMMUNITY ALONG, UM SOME OF OUR MAIN STREETS THAT ARE 2.5 STORY. 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE VERY EASILY CONVERTED, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY, AND WE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THAT IN OUR REG. BY ALLOWING CONVERSIONS. THANK YOU. UM SO THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON QUICKLY IS I'VE HAD PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT HOUSE BILL 388. UH, DOES AS IT RELATES TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTERPRETATIONS OF THAT. BUT I ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WANT TO SAY IS THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS. UM WE, UH AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THE INTENT FROM THE BEGINNING WAS TO BRING AS MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES ALONG AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS THE INTENT. IF WE CAN GET TO 26 VOTES THAT'S BETTER THAN 18. SO WE'RE WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. BUT THEN YOU KNOW OUR POLITICAL IS ALSO THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE COLLEAGUES ALONG WITH US, AND THAT'S JUST OUR POLITICAL REALITY, AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD . SO I, I DON'T THINK, UM, CLEARLY AS IT RELATES TO LIKE SPECIFICALLY TO MIDDLE HOUSING. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT HOUSE BILL 388 DOES POTENTIALLY, UH, PUT THE TIMELINE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PASSING A YEAR FROM NOW, BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME ANYWAY. UH FOR THAT PROCESS. UM SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT IN TERMS OF THE BACK END, BUT, UH, OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS, AND I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION MORE BROADLY, BECAUSE I'VE HAD IT PRIVATELY WITH WITH A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE HERE. UM COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO REVISIT FROM OUR LAST MEETING. UM WE HAD THE MINNEAPOLIS PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND SHE VERY CLEARLY SAID THAT. YES MIDDLE HOUSING HAD BEEN, UH, A BENEFIT TO MINNEAPOLIS, BUT THEY HAD GAINED MOST OF THEIR UNITS BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT THEY HAD MADE TO ENCOURAGE DENSITY ALONG THEIR MAIN CORRIDORS, THEIR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, UM, TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT ALONG IN IN PARKING LOTS IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS, AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I THINK OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED THIS TOO. THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA IGNORE OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN FOCUS ON. HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE MORE DEVELOPMENT ALONG OUR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, POTENTIALLY FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT, AND, UM IN NEIGHBORHOOD ANCHORS, AND SO I HAD JOEL AT AT A SLIDE TO THE END. AND CAN YOU CAN YOU PUT THAT UP FOR US, JOEL? AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE. UH BUT CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH THIS? THIS SLIDE REAL QUICK, JOE AND KIND OF GOAL AND KIND OF EXPLAIN TO US WHAT YOU GUYS ARE REPRESENTING HERE. YEAH, SO THIS WAS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM UH, ANCHOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND ANCHORS MAPS. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UP ON THE
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SCREEN IS AND YOU'LL SEE. YOU KNOW PRIMARILY, YOUR, UH, CORRIDORS AS THEY THEY FAN OUT FROM LOUISVILLE FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO THE PERIPHERIES OF THE COUNTY. THEY IDENTIFIED THE ANCHORS WITHIN AN AREA SO THIS COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL ANCHOR LIKE A, UH YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL CENTER OR A SHOPPING CENTER. COULD BE, UM, EVEN THE CONFLUENCE OF JUST TWO CORNER COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT MAKE UP A SMALL WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A NEIGHBORHOOD CROSSING? UM AND SO THEY IDENTIFIED ALL OF THESE ANCHORS, AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE REAR OF THESE OR OR THAT SURROUND THESE ANCHORS. SO THEY GO TO THE QUARTER MILE AND A HALF MILE. UM WE KNOW THEY USED TO BE APPROXIMATE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL GENERALLY WALK ABOUT A QUARTER MILE, MAYBE LESS TO SOMETHING. AND THEN HALF A MILE. YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT TAKE, UH, YOU KNOW A BIKE OR WALK OR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND SO THEY LOOKED AT ONE. THEY LOOKED AT THE CAPACITY WITHIN THESE ANCHORS TO DELIVER HOUSING AND WHAT THEY FOUND IN MANY OF THESE ANCHORS AND ALONG THE CORRIDORS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A ZONED CAPACITY THING. IT'S A IT'S A USE. IT'S A DEVELOPMENT.IT'S A SINGULAR DEVELOPMENT ISSUE. SO SOME OF OUR CORRIDORS THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR INCREASED ZONING, BUT THERE ARE INCREASED, UH, DENSITY, BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER FACTORS LIKE HEIGHT. UM OR SETBACKS THAT MIGHT LIMIT THE ABILITY TO DELIVER THE HOUSING THAT'S NEEDED ALONG THOSE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND THEM. TO LOOK AT WHAT THE TYPICAL LIGHTING PATTERN WAS WHAT THE TYPICAL HOUSE PATTERN WAS, AND LOOKED AT THEIR KIND OF PALETTE OF MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES AND DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES TO LOOK AT WHAT IS MAYBE COMMONLY FOUND OR COULD BE FOUND IN THESE IN THESE AREAS, ONE TO BETTER SUPPORT THE ANCHORS AND TO HAVE HOUSING THAT BETTER SUPPORTS OUR TRANSIT CORRIDOR. SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST IN A SUMMARY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO THIS DOES NOT PROJECT OUT FUTURE CENTERS. IT DOES NOT PROJECT OUT FUTURE NEIGHBORHOODS OR FUTURE GROWTH. THIS IS A POINT IN TIME ANALYSIS OF OUR, UH, ZONING CAPACITY AND WHAT WE WILL GET FROM THIS IS YOU KNOW SOME IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES ON MAYBE WHAT TYPES OF HOUSING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM IT IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN JUST THE MIDDLE HOUSING THAT'S BEEN SHOWN TODAY. UM ARE THERE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES OR DENSITY BONUSES OR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN BRING ONLINE TO, UM, MAKE THESE, UH ANCHORS? UM YOU KNOW MORE, UM, ATTRACTIVE. TO FOR REDEVELOPMENT. UM AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THE GOAL IS TO IS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ADOPT THIS STUDY AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT WOULD GUIDE LAND USE DECISIONS, AND WE ALSO HAVE A SET OF IMPLEMENTATION STANDARDS THAT THEN WE CAN CAN PEEL OFF AND START MAKING SOME CHANGES WITHIN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. SO I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY IN JUST A SECOND. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT, UM BUILDING MORE DENSITY ALONG OUR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS WHERE THERE'S ALREADY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO HANDLE THAT DENSITY.
UH, IS GOOD FOR T. IT'S GOOD FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT. IT'S GOOD FOR SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES. THE MORE DENSITY WE HAVE ALONG THESE TRANSPORTATION QUARTERS, AND SO I DID WANT US TO JUST KIND OF WEIGH IN, UH, FROM 30,000, FT. AMONG THE GROUP THAT'S HERE AND TALK ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT JUST GENERALLY ENCOURAGING THAT APPROACH AND ENCOURAGING DEVELOPERS TO INCREASE DENSITY ALONG THOSE AND WHAT CHARLES THOUGHTS ARE ON THOSE THINGS. I UNDERSTAND THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS, BUT I WAS JUST HOPING, UH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON OUR THOUGHTS ON ON THAT APPROACH. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN THIS IN THE IN THE QUEUE. ANYBODY ONLINE? YEAH YOU WANT US TO COMMENT NOW? COUNCILWOMAN PARISH, RIGHT? OK I WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I IN OUR IN OUR DISTRICT WE HAVE CHAIN RUN ROAD AND WE HAVE, UM PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER THAT A MAJOR TRANSPORT CORRIDOR AND BUT THERE ARE COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE THAT ALL THEY'RE DOING IS BUILDING. THE SAME TYPE OF HOUSING SO I WOULD SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BUY IN. I DO BELIEVE IN COMMUNITY BUILDING AGREEMENTS. AND I THINK THAT DEVELOPERS CAN WORK WITH THOSE, UM, COMMUNITIES WANT NEW THINGS. IT'S JUST THAT THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE BUILT OVER THEM OR BUILT ON THEIR BACKS OR BUILT IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN'T ACCESS THEM. SO YEAH, IT OVERALL GENERALLY FROM THE 30 FT LEVEL, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. I ALSO THINK
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A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY WOULD NO ONE. REALLY UM, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE, AND JUST BACK IN DECEMBER, NO. ONE FROM THE SH THE DISTRICT THREE REACHED OUT THAT THEY WERE AGAINST IT, BUT PEOPLE HAVE MADE COMMENTS IN THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT. THAT'S ALL THEY DO IS BUILD THOSE TYPES OF HOUSING IN THOSE AREAS. BUT WE, YOU KNOW, SO I SUPPORT IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT ON IT. SO THAT THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT, AND I THAT I WILL POINT OUT THAT YY YESTERDAY DURING OUR PLANNING COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A PROJECT WHERE THE COMMUNITY ASKED THE DEVELOPER WHO HAD PLANNED FOR 300 SOME ODD, UH, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES APARTMENT COMPLEX TO SET ASIDE THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AS SINGLE FAMILY AND THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO DO THAT. I THINK THERE ARE EITHER SEVEN OR 11 LOTS THAT THEY AGREED TO. DEVELOP A SINGLE FAMILY ALONG THE FRONT AND THEN A SECONDARY ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY AND BY THE COUNCILWOMAN WAS TO PUT A ROW OF TOWNHOUSES AND AS THE SECOND KIND OF LAYER OF A LITTLE BIT ADDED DENSITY BEYOND THAT, UH AND THEN BEYOND THAT, AWAY FROM THE OTHER OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, UM , WERE THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND WE MANY OF US SAID DURING THAT COMMITTEE MEETING YESTERDAY THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE MODEL THAT ANY ANY DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. WE I DON'T MEAN THIS TO SOUND LIKE WE ARE ANTI APARTMENT. WE'RE NOT. BUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS CLEARLY SAYING IS THAT WE DON'T WANT ALL APARTMENTS AND ALL SINGLE FAMILY . WE WANT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.UM SO, II. I THOUGHT THAT THAT, UH, THAT APPROACH THAT THE DEVELOPER TOOK TOOK AND THAT WE PASSED YESTERDAY OUT OF COMMITTEE WAS A GOOD ONE COUNCILMAN SIGN. I WANNA THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. BUT, UM SOUTHWEST LOUISVILLE HAD A, UM HEARING AND 300 PEOPLE HAD TO SIGN UP TO GO TO THIS HEARING. ONLY 100. MAYBE 120 WERE ALLOWED IN 99% WERE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT YET IT DIDN'T MATTER. THE VOTE. DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THEIR OPPOSITION. IT WENT FORWARD.
IT'S GOING THAT WAY. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, I HOPE WHAT WE DO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING THESE COMMENTS. SO UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT BECOMES A DOG AND PONY SHOW. IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE HAVE THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT THEY'RE YOU KNOW, JUST THERE FOR SHOW. SO WHEN WE DO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, LET'S LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, PLEASE. REFERRING TO THE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST NOW. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TO THE DEVELOPMENT I WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST NOW. UH, YEAH. OK? I JUST WANNA ADD THAT, UM I DIDN'T SHARE THIS BEFORE WITH YOU ALL. BUT JUST LAST YEAR, I'M WORRIED ABOUT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING A PLACE TO LIVE AND A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE DO RENT. THEY'RE WORKING. THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING AND THEY DON'T SEE HOMEOWNERSHIP OR PATHWAY TO HOME OWNERSHIP IN THEIR WAY AND I COME FROM A RENTING COMMUNITY JUST SIX YEARS AGO, BUT TWO OF MY DAUGHTERS WENT THROUGH THE EVICTION PROCESS, NOT BECAUSE THEY TORE UP THE PROPERTY OR THEY DIDN'T ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAINTAIN. WHEN IT WENT UP, AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE EVICTION COURT AND THEY HAD THE VERSION ONE JUST MOVED INTO A PROPERTY WAY OUT DIXIE THAT IS A NEWER DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S REALLY NICE AND RENTERS DESERVE QUALITY PLACES TO RENT AND PEOPLE ARE ARE ARE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE UP IN THEIR RENTING CLASS AND BE ABLE TO RENT THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE TO THEM. AND THAT'S OUR REALITY IS THAT I WISH EVERYBODY WAS HOMEOWNERS. AND I WOULD I WANT THAT PATHWAY IF PEOPLE WANT IT, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVEN LIKE OURSELVES AND PEOPLE WHO WORK IN STATE GOVERNMENT WHO CHOOSE TO RENT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. SO I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A RIDE AND MEET THAT , BUT PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT? UM, COUNCILMAN SIM SAID. I DO AGREE. I DON'T BELIEVE IN DOG AND PONY SHOWS. I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY LISTEN AND TAKE IN THE INPUT THAT THE COMMUNITY GIVES US WHEN THEY COME, AND THEY SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THIS IS WHAT I THINK THAT THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING AN AGREEMENT AND DEVELOPERS TO MEET AND ARE LARGE DEVELOPING COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS AGING HOMEOWNERS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE AND NOT JUST YOUNG IMMIGRANT. UM INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY HAVE A PATHWAY TO HOME OWNERSHIP, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THAT, AND THE LOW SPOT THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE TO HAVE IDEAS. THEY'RE GOING. THERE HAS TO BE HOUSING THAT CAN FIT 300 PEOPLE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IS IN THIS ONE. MY DAUGHTER JUST MOVED INTO, BUT
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IT'S REALLY NICE. UM AND SHE'S ABLE TO AFFORD IT AS A AS AN INTERNATIONAL BANKER, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT WE JUST HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM. MY OTHER DAUGHTER LIVES IN ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT DOWN DIXIE AS WELL. AND SHE'S A MASTERS STUDENT. WE HAVE A WE WANNA KEEP YOUNG PEOPLE HERE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE VARIETY, AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT MANY CITIES HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH. SO I JUST APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION AND BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE TO SEE THAT. SO AS FAR AS IF WE GOT TO A PLE, UH, AS A COMMITTEE HERE THAT WE WANTED TO ENURAGE THAT HIGHER DENSITY ALONG THOSE QUARTERS.WHAT WHAT? WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE FROM YOUR ALL'S PERSPECTIVE? SO WE OUR FINALIZING THE ILE WANT TO ADOPTHE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STUDY AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS NOW THAT WOULD BE A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT TO THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE A LIST OF IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD ON, UM AFTER THAT IS ADOPTED IN IT NOW. IF THIS COMMITTEE SO CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS WITH THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMITTEE TO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING PRIOR TO US HAVING YOU KNOW THE WORK ALL THE WAY HAMMERED OUT IF WE WANT TO START TAKING A CLOSER LOOK. UM AT DENSITY ALONG OUR QUARTERS. BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, I THINK WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO. UM BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK ONCE THIS STUDY IS FINALIZED, WE WILL HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA. OF WHAT THAT CAPACITY LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT SPECIFIC STRATEGIES BASED ON THE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH? I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. DOES.
THANK YOU. YES. YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN, PTI. YEAH F FOLLOW UP. QUESTION TO THAT, UH, THING, AND I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF MY DEFICITS THAT MAYBE WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION. SO TO YOUR POINT , I THINK SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT MAY BE TALKING ABOUT THESE CORRIDORS AND WHAT WE CAN DO. SO JOEL, YOU MENTIONED, UH, ADOPTING A CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE TRICK THERE, NUMBER ONE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. IT IS A GUIDANCE I CAN TELL YOU. IT IS NOT FOLLOWED COMPLETELY. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY INSTANCES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED OR THAT WE'VE APPROVED THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVED AND OR WE'VE APPROVED AS COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE REZONING THAT DIDN'T COMPORT 100% WITH THE, UH UH, WITH PLAN 2040. UH, THERE'S AN ATTEMPT TO FOLLOW IT, BUT IT'S NOT PERFECT. AND THEN AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE COULD GO A STEP FURTHER AND START EXPLORING CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THINGS LIKE THIS, AND I WILL SAY I'M WRAPPING UP A PROCESS RELATED TO A VERY SMALL SECTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THAT HAS TAKEN ME ALMOST TWO YEARS TO PULL OFF. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS NUMBER ONE. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE IF WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT UPDATING? UH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE, TIMING WISE AND THEN PROCEDURALLY, AND THEN IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING A STEP FURTHER AND CODIFYING IT MORE SPECIFIC, UH, CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? LIKE NORMALLY WE WOULD DO A RESOLUTION. IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ALL THE STUFF. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT HERE, SO WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, APPROVING CHANGES TO THE CODE AND THEN COMING TO COUNCIL FOR DEBATE. GO. THERE WAS A LOT IN THAT QUESTION. I'M GONNA TRY AND UNPACK IT. UM SO, SO WE'RE NOT? UM SO OK, SO LET ME BE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO WE'RE NOT OPENING UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CHANGING THE POLICIES AND GOALS AND GUIDELINES EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. NEEDS TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED. SO THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STRIVES TO ACHIEVE MANY OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLED FOR. THIS WOULD BE AN YOU KNOW, A SUPPLEMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MUCH LIKE A SMALL AREA PLAN OR A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN WHERE IT IS ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE THAT THEN WE WOULD USE IN MAKING LAND USE DECISIONS. WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS STUDY? IS THAT IT'S NOT A SMALL AREA. IT'S METRO WIDE. IT HAD A VERY SPECIFIC FOCUS ON VE US A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF IMPLEMENTATION. UM GUIDELINES OR STEPS TO BRING FORWARD SPECIFIC CHANGES TO ACHIEVE, UM YOU KNOW WHAT THIS STUDY HOPES TO ACHIEVE , AND THAT'S TO IDENTIFY ANCHORS
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AND TO ENABLE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT THEN SUPPORT THOSE ANCHORS. EXACTLY WHAT THOSE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES LOOK LIKE. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FINAL PRODUCT. ONCE WE GET THOSE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES IN THERE, AND WE FINALIZED THE DOCUMENT FIRST, WE WOULD WANNA ADOPT THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ME, YOUR COUNSEL, AND THEN WE WOULD BE THEN WE WOULD START LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING SPECIFIC UM, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIES THAT THEY LAID OUT IN THIS DOCUMENT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED. WE CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO THAT IMPLEMENTATION. UH, WE CAN RECEIVE A RESOLUTION FROM THE METRO COUNCIL TO LOOK AT SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY AND SOME MORE. OR WE CAN HAVE A RESOLUTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BRING FORWARD THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ANY CHANGES WE MAKE TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE COMING THROUGH METRO COUNCIL. SO IT'S LIKE JUST FOR CLARITY, PURPOSES. LET ME RESTATE IT. AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE DON'T HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS YET. THEY'RE PENDING. CORRECT ONCE YOU HAVE THEM AS PART OF THAT PLAN, THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT IT AS A PLAN, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH SUB AREA PLANS AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND ALL THAT. SO AS A SUPPLEMENTAL PLAN, UM SO WE WILL DEBATE THE IMPLEMENTATION THE NITTY GRITTY OF IT AND THEN ADOPT A PLAN AND THEN FROM THERE, THEN WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING WHATEVER IT IS THIS RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WHICH WE DON'T HAVE YET. AND WE WILL. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT? YEAH, YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH PERFECT. AND WHAT WAS THE TIMING ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? DID YOU SAY UH WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS SPECIFIC STUDY FINALIZED. UH, I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S END OF JUNE. AND IF I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, CONTEXT, MR CHAIR. UH, IT'S JUST WORTH NOTING THAT HOSPITAL 388 DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT UH, FOR DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, COM PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE FAIR GAME. AND INDIVIDUAL ZONING CHANGES ARE A FAIR GAME. AND SO IF PART OF THIS STUDY RECOMMENDS THAT PROPERTIES ALONG TRANSIT CORRIDORS BR FIVE B, WHICH CURRENTLY ALLOWS DUPLEXES INSTEAD OF OUR FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE , THAT COULD ALL BE DONE ON A PROPERTY BY PROPERTY, OR EVEN AN AREA WIDE BASIS, WE JUST CAN'T GO IN AND CHANGE THE TEXT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SO THESE ARE STILL POSSIBLE AVENUES TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE SAME GOALS. THIS COMMITTEE SEEMS TO BE HEADED TOWARDS, UM, BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS. SO I THINK SO. WE SO WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE MAP, BUT NOT CHANGES TO THE TEXT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BASICALLY CORRECT PROPERTIES CAN CONTINUE TO BE REZONED IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. UM SO IN OUR FOUR PROPERTY CAN BECOME OUR FIVE. BUT WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, EXPAND THE DENSITY CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN ALL OUR FOUR PROPERTIES, FOR EXAMPLE. UM AND I. I DON'T. I DON'T. UM, WANNA PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT I THINK THAT'S BASED ON WHAT I HEARD. AND WHAT WHAT I THINK WE HEARD IN MINNEAPOLIS IN TERMS OF THEIR SUCCESS ALONG TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL, UM AND WHAT? WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? I THINK TRYING TO EXPEDITE YOU KNOW THAT CONVERSATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, I THINK IS A GOOD WOULD BE A GOOD THING. UM IT'S YEAH. IF I COULD SAY THAT TO THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD AS RELATE TO DIFFERENT AREAS, NOT JUST IN CHILD. BUT IN DISTRICT THREE PEOPLE WERE WORRIED THAT IF THEY ONLY HAD THAT TYPE OF DENSITY HOUSING THAT OTHER BUSINESSES WOULDN'T COME, MEANING THEY WOULDN'T GET CERTAIN SHOPPING STORES AND BUSINESS AND BASED ON THAT TYPE OF DENSITY, SO I THINK PEOPLE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COMES AND WHAT WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CART BEFORE THE HORSE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S TURNING. SOME OF THE NOT JUST MY CONSTITUENTS SOME OF THE PEOPLE OFF ON HEY, I DON'T WANT THIS, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THE OTHER IMPACT, AND THEY ALSO NEED TO SEE THE VALUE ADDED FOR HAVING THAT RIGHT. THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR IS ONE THING AND THEN THE VALUE ADDED, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE TAX RATES FOR THEIR HOUSES AND FOLKS ARE FEELING LIKE YOU KNOW, THEY WANT MORE PARKS AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND FIND SHOPPING AND FINE DINING AND THAT SOME OF THESE HOUSING PLANS OR DEVELOPMENT PLANS WOULDN GIVE THEM THE ACCESS TO HAVE THAT OR OR MAKE IT WHERE OTHER BUSINESSES WOULD CONSIDER COMING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN SHARED WITH ME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNSEL. THANK YOU. UM I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP ANOTHER JUST QUICK POINT THAT THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS ARE ONE THING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANCHORS, I THINK, GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED. NOT THAT WE SHOULD STOP LOOKING INTO THAT, BUT I THINK A FOCUS ALONG TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE AN EDGE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS EDGE OF DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS. THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND OLD LOUISVILLE RIGHT ALONG THE EDGES OF DOWNTOWN, I THINK WOULD BE, UH A TON OF SENSE TO FOCUS ON THAT THOSE AREAS AS WELL. UM A COUPLE OF OTHER QUICK THINGS I WANTED TO. I WANTED TO CIRCLE[00:55:06]
BACK AROUND TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FROM MEMPHIS HAD, AND I WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU ALLS ATTENTION THAT HE SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY WENT FROM ON THEIR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. THEY WENT FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS. 2 TO 3 WEEKS TO 2 TO 3 DAYS, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT THAT IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF THE EFFICIENCY OF THEIR PROCESS. UM AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD HAD SAID, UH, HELPED WITH THAT WAS HAVING THEIR BUILDING PERMITS APPROVAL UNDERNEATH THE PLANNING AND DESIGN DEPARTMENT. UM AND BECAUSE THEY CAN THEY WORK SO CLOSELY TOGETHER. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO THAT IN IN LOUISVILLE. BUT I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA, UM, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING IF YOU CAN, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT, THEN THEN THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR GETTING MORE UNITS ONLINE. AND SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND, UH, THAT'S COME OUT OF THIS THIS COMMITTEE AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, UH, QUICKLY. UM ONE OTHER THING. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I'M THAT WE I'D LIKE TO GET INTO AT SOME POINT, AND THEN WE CAN IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, BUT ANOTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE COUNTRY RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A NUMBER OF STATES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE PASSING LAWS STATE AT THE STATE LEVEL AND LOCALLY THAT MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WHO HAVE LARGE PLOTS OF LAND TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THEIR LAND . BY RIGHT WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY INTERESTING IDEA. I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES IT IT FULFILLS THE OF THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION AT THE SAME TIME, IT UH ADDS REVENUE TO THE TO THE CHURCH OR THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE EXPLORING. THAT I THINK WOULD BE INTEREST IS INTERESTING FOR US TO EXPLORE AS WELL, UM, DOES ANYBODY SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO KIND OF AS WE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS BEFORE? WE ADJOURN THIS AFTERNOON. COUNCILMAN P ARGENTI. YEAH, UH AGAIN, NOT AGAINST THAT. I THINK THAT'S A CREATIVE IDEA. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE'VE GOT BLUNTLY.I CAN ONLY SPEAK, UH, ON BEHALF OF MY EXPERIENCE RELATED TO THE ARCHDIOCESE OF LOUISVILLE. JUST BECAUSE, UH, I HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THEM THAN ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS HERE, BUT WE HAVE A REALLY WEIRD BREAKDOWN OF WHERE, UM SOME OF THESE CHURCHES ARE AND IT GOES PAT. THAT'S 100, PLUS YEARS OF HISTORY AS TO WHY DIFFERENT CHURCHES WERE WERE PLACED IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UH, SOME VERY MUCH IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME NOT IN AND, UH, IF IT'S SOMETHING VERY RURAL AREAS AGAIN SOME NOT, UM SO THE, UM NOT TOTALLY AGAINST THE IDEA, AND AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO APPLY WHAT I'LL CALL THE STANDARD SCRUTINY AROUND. UM INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS RIGHT. LIKE I I'LL PICK ON MY SPECIFIC CHURCH. I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DO IT, BUT, UH, IT'S ON A ROAD THAT IS ONE OF THESE 17 FT WIDE OR 16. WHATEVER THE LEAGUE MINIMUM IS, OR, UH, RODE WITH WITH NO CURBS, NO SHOULDER. UH YOU KNOW, VERY RURAL ROADS, AND SO, UH, IT IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD IF WE BUILD DENSITY THERE. UM WE HAVE MAJOR, UH, JUST ROAD TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. SO III. I WOULDN'T MIND THE IDEA AS LONG AS WE'RE STILL APPLYING OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY STANDARDS. MISTER CHAIR. CAN I COME IN? QUICKLY I AGREE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN PIA AND TENNY ON THE STRUCTURE. I WOULD ARGUABLY SAY THAT CHURCHES HAVE BEEN DOING SOME FORM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH THE LAND THAT THEY OWN FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. AND SO I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO BRING SOME OF THAT OUT FRONT.
I'M GLAD THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN MENTIONED THE ARCHDIOCESE, BECAUSE ACTUALLY, WE'RE HOPE VILLAGE IS AND THERE WAS HOUSING THERE FOR CLERGY, AND WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH EVEN THE CIVIL UNREST, AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ASKED WHERE PEOPLE COULD MOVE. WHAT BUILDINGS COULD WE HAVE? I SUGGESTED THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE ARCHDIOCESE FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ABANDONED, UH, CHURCHES I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONES THAT ARE PROBABLY FUNCTIONING WELL, BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, I THINK SHOULD BE TURNED INTO HOUSING AS WELL. SO I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT WITH ANYTHING WE SUPPORT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S FAIR. IT'S EQUITABLE AND THAT IT UNDERSTANDS THE LANDSCAPE AROUND IT, LIKE COUNCILMAN P, ARGENTI SAID, BUT ARGUABLY, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. ANYWAY LETTING THEIR CLERGY STAY IN THEIR PROPERTIES AND THINGS
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LIKE THAT AND MAKING IT AFFORDABLE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME FROM OTHER PLACES TO LIVE.THAT'S THAT'S TRUE AND IT FAIR. FAIR POINT, COUNCILMAN PINI AND COUNCILOR UH PERISH, WRIGHT IT WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS IT ELIMINATES THE CARRYING COST? UH AND THE PRE DEVELOPMENT COSTS THAT CAN GET EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE FOR AAA NONPROFIT, SUCH AS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION. SO YES, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT, BUT THEY'VE HAD TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS THAT ANY YOU KNOW DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH. AND THIS WOULD WOULD, UH, STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS. THE IDEA BEHIND IT. SO UM OK, WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE COMMENTS. OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING WILL BE ON
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MAY 9TH AND, UH, WITHOUT UH, ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US, WE ARE ADJOURNED.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.