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GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT, AUDIT AND APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE. PRESIDENT CHAMBERS. WE HAVE[Roll Call]
COUNCIL PINI COUNCILMAN REED COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. COUNCILWOMAN PURPOSE. WE'VE GOT MY CO CHAIR COUNCILMAN HUDSON AND VIRTUALLY WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS AND COUNCILMAN BLACKWELL. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A FORM B, MADAM. ALL RIGHT. I WAS I WAS DIRECTED TO HER, NOT YOU. AND THAT'S HER. OH, WELL, SIR. ALL RIGHT, UH, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS TODAY. WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THOSE, AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO SPECIAL DISCUSSION WITH T AC. YEAH. OH TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO KRS 61.826 AND THE COUNCIL RULE FIVE A ALL RIGHT. LET'S START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR LEGISLATION. THE[2. AP041624JF APPOINTMENT OF JONANTHONY FLOYED-JACKSON TO THE BARDSTOWN ROAD OVERLAY DISTRICT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 30, 2026) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
APPOINTMENTS, IT'LL BE EIGHT P 041624 JF. THE APPOINTMENT OF JONATHON FLOYD. JACKSON TO THE BARTOW ROAD OVERLAID DISTRICT BOARD A TERM THAT EXPIRES APRIL. 30TH 2026. IS THERE A MOTION? ITEMS PROPERLY BEFORE US AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DID NOT PRONOUNCE THAT INCORRECTLY, MISS JACKSON BACK ON THE FLOOR, ANTHONY. HELLO? HOW'S EVERYONE TODAY? OUT THE JACKSON MAYOR, UH, GREENBERG'S OFFICE TODAY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF, UH, JOHN ANTHONY FLOYD JACKSON TO THE BARGE TOWN ROAD OVERLAY DISTRICT BOARD. UH, THE BARSTOW ROAD OVERLAY. UM DISTRICT BOARD IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE REVIEWS, UH, DECISIONS OF THE URBAN DESIGN ADMINISTRATOR. THEY REVIEW DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. UH, REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE BY BOZA. THEY MEET WITH APPLICANTS. OR NON EXPEDITED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND THEY ALSO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL AMENDMENTS TO THE GUIDELINES, UH, BASED ON EXPERIENCE AND REVIEWING APPLICATIONS AND THE NEED TO PRESERVE THE DIS THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OF THE DISTRICT. THIS BOARD HAS EIGHT MEMBERS ON IT. THEY UH THERE ARE EX OFFICIO MEMBERS, EITHER FROM THE PLANNING DESIGN SERVICES OR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, THIS BOARD HAS PRESCRIBED SEATS. UH, THEY ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES TO MEMBERS OF THE ARCHITECT LANDSCAPE. EXCUSE ME, ARCHITECTS OR OTHER DESIGN? UH, PROFESSIONALS AND THREE MEMBERS MUST OWN RENT, OPERATE OR MANAGE BUSINESS. LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT. THEY SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM TERM. UM WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF JOHN ANTHONY. HE WOULD BE FILLING A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL SEAT. HE IS A DESIGNER. UH PROFESSIONAL WITH LUCKY AND FARLEY. HE HAS 20 PLUS YEARS EXPERIENCE WORKING IN THE DESIGN ARCHITECT FIELD, AND SO UM FLOYD JACKSON. HE IS OUT OF DISTRICT EIGHT. WE ARE ASKING FOR HIS APPOINTMENT. MR LLOYD JACKSON. JOHN ANTHONY. I APOLOGIZE. AH! YOU HAD THE FLOOR, SIR. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I AM JOIN AND AN ADVISORY BOARD TO WORK WITH THE CITY. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT I WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF YOU COULD JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. HELLO.MY NAME IS JENNY ANTHONY FLOYD JACKSON. AND IF YOU WANTED TO TELL US, UH, WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SERVE IN THE SPORT YOUR QUALIFICATIONS. UH I HA, I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO LOUISVILLE. SO I MOVED HERE. THREE YEARS AGO. AND HAVE BEEN LIVING IN LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN JUST TO DATE FOR SINCE THEN. BUT SINCE THEN I'VE BECOME A COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY OF STAFF, MORE VILLAGE AND LIKE BEING INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HELPING THE COMMUNITY ALSO, SO I AND I LIVE LIKE RIGHT OFF OF BARSTOW ROAD, SO I THINK JUST BEING IN THIS AREA I HAVE A I GUESS AN INTEREST IN WHAT HAPPENS ALONG, UH, BARSTOW ROAD. AND ALSO WITH MY EXPERIENCE, I THINK AND WE BE ABLE TO YOU HAVE A LITTLE INSIGHT TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OF, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING OR REVIEWING, UH, ARE THE THERE WILL BE HAPPENING. FANTASTIC UH, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN PERISH. WRIGHT AND COUNCILMAN BEN RENO WEBER, UH ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT? AND AGAIN, FOLKS, I'M NOT USING THE QUEUE. SO IF YOU GOT A QUESTION OR CONCERN YOU'RE GONNA CHIME IN AS YOU'D LIKE. TIME. WAS OUR JOHN. THERE'S A TIME THEN YOU GET BEN. YOU GOT IT, BABY. I JUST WANT TO SAY MOST OF THIS, UH, IMPACTS OUR DISTRICT
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HEAVILY, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK UH, MR FLOYD JACKSON FOR ANSWERING THE CALL TO COME IN TO PUBLIC SERVICE. AS YOU MENTIONED HE'S NEW TO THIS DISTRICT. BUT IN THE IN THE TIME THAT HE HAS BEEN IN LOUISVILLE UH, HE HAS BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN CREATING A VIBRANT MUSIC SCENE HERE. AND UH, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE HIM, PUTTING HIS HIMSELF FORWARD TO BRING HIS SKILLS TO BEAR FOR OUR OUR COMMUNITY. I HOPE WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE ABOUT LIKE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. HEAR NONE. THIS IS THE POINT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE PHOTOS EVER EVER SAY I? I IN OPPOSITION. YOU'RE NO OPPOSITION. 4% ALL RIGHT. OK HERE. NEW OPPOSITION'S PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHE'LL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. MR FORT JACKSON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THE NEXT ITEM OUR AGEN TO BE ITEM NUMBER THREE RP 041624 SG THE REAPPOINTMENT OF[3. RP041624SG REAPPOINTMENT OF DR. SCOTT GILTNER TO THE CEMETERY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES APRIL 13, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
DR SCOTT. GILTNER TO THE CEMETERY BOARD DETERMINED THAT EXPIRES APRIL 13TH 2027. IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION. I WAS PROBABLY MISS JACKSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE, UH, CEMETERY BOARD IS TO FACILITATE THE RESTORATION AND MAINTENANCE OF NONPROFIT AND INDIGENT CEMETERIES, UH, THAT DO NOT RECEIVE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDS . THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD. THEY SERVE THREE YEAR TERMS. DOCTOR GILTNER COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. HE HAD A CONFLICT, BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR IT TO GO AHEAD AND GET HIS APPROVAL. UM FOR THIS REAPPOINTMENT, DOCTOR GILTNER, UM WAS ORIGINALLY APPOINTED IN 2017. HE LIVES IN DISTRICT 18.HE'S AN ENGINEER. HE IS THE PAST CHAIR OF THE CEMETERY BOARD, AND HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN CONTINUING HIS SERVICE ON THIS BOARD. ANY IDEA IF HE'S PRESENT. NO HE HE HAD A CONFLICT. HE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY AT A CONFLICT. ANYONE HAVE A REASON OR CONCERN OR QUESTION TO HOLD UP THIS APPOINTMENT. HERE. NOW, THIS APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE ALL SAY, I ANY OPPOSITION? THE OPPOSITION. YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND SHALL BE SENT TO
[4. AP041624RL APPOINTMENT OF RONALD DAMON LANIER TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR J BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR A P 041624 RL THE APPOINTMENT OF RONALD DAMON LANIER TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVERSARY ADVOCACY BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER. 30TH 2027. IS THERE A MOTION I DISRUPTIVE FORCE MISS JACKSON NEAR THE FLOOR. OK, THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD HAS 10 MEMBERS ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THESE MEMBERS SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM. THE ADVOCACY BOARD PROMOTES AND SECURES, UM MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT AMONG ALL ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, RELIGIOUS, ETHNIC AND SOCIAL GROUPS IN THE MET METROPOLITAN AREA, UH THEY ALSO ENLIST THE SUPPORT OF CIVIC , RELIGIOUS, LABOR AND INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL GROUPS TO HELP WITH THE IMPROVEMENT OF HUMAN RELATIONS AND ELIMINATION OF DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES. MR RONALD, UH DAMON LANIER IS FILLING A VACANT SEAT. MR LANIER LIVES IN METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 25. HE IS A LICENSED MASTER ELECTRICIAN. HE CURRENTLY WORKS FOR THE METRO HOUSING AND HE WANTS TO SERVE AND, UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS APPOINTMENT. I BELIEVE MR LEAR WITH LANIER WAS GOING TO BE HERE. BUT EVIDENTLY HE HAD A CONFLICT, BUT HE HAD PLANNED TO BE HERE. ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION OR CONCERN REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES HOLDING IT. NO QUESTION OR CONCERN. THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT REQUIRES A VOICE FOR ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I IN OPPOSITION. AN OPPOSITION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR G TO BE ITEM NUMBER FIVE.[5. AP041624TS APPOINTMENT OF DR. TERRY SINGER TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2026) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
A P 041624 TS THE APPOINTMENT OF DOCTOR TERRY SINGER TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER. 30TH 2026. IS THERE A MOTION MOTION. YEAH I'M TALKING BEFORE, MISS JACKSON. UM, DOCTOR, UH, TERRY SINGER IS FILLING A SEAT VACATED BY MISS MATEOS AND DOCTOR SINGER IS THE DEAN EMERITUS OF THE KENT SCHOOL OF SOCIAL WORK. HE IS OUT OF METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER 10. HE'S HERE, SO I WON'T GO INTO ANY MORE ABOUT HIS, UM, RESUME. DOCTOR IF YOU WANNA IDENTIFY YOURSELF THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. MY NAME IS TERRY SINGER. I'M FROM DISTRICT 10. I CAME TO LOUISVILLE IN 1997 TO BE DEAN OF THE KENT SCHOOL WHERE I SERVED IN 19 YEARS. MY VISION WHEN I CAME WAS TO GET THE SCHOOL CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND SO, UH, MANY GRANTS WRITTEN FOR THIS COMMUNITY, UH, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITED FROM IT. I SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF THE KENTUCKY, UH, REFUGEE MINISTRY BOARD FOR 10[00:15:01]
YEARS I WAS ON, UH, THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION BOARD AND A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, GROUPS. IN FACT, I WAS HERE A SHORT TIME AND I GOT PUT ON. UM SOME COMMITTEE THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOUISVILLE. THE CITY. UM SO THAT WAS MY SORT OF MY ENTRY TO THE CITY AND I'VE BEEN ACTIVE AND BEEN A PART OF IT. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I'VE BEEN RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND LOOKING TO CONTINUE MY SERVICE. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE PEOPLE SAY HI. ALL RIGHT, THE IN OPPOSITION YOU'RE NO OPPOSITION IS PASSING, NAMELY, SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER DOCTOR SINGER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO THE CITY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT DAY, I MET OUR JB ITEM NUMBER SIX A P 041624 BF THE[6. AP041624BF APPOINTMENT OF BRIAN FIELDS TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2026) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
APPOINTMENT OF BRIAN FIELDS TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER. 30TH 2026. IS THERE A MOTION? THE ITEMS PROPERTY, ENFORCE MS JACKSON HERE TO THE FLOOR. SO MR UH, FIELDS WILL BE FILLING A VACATED SEAT BY, UH, MISS ALEXANDRA NEWMAN. MR FIELDS IS AN ATTORNEY WITH OUR LEGAL AID SOCIETY. HE IS A GRADUATE OF THE U OF L BRANDEIS SCHOOL OF, UH, LAW. HE'S OUT OF METRO COUNCIL NUMBER SIX. HE IS HERE, SO I'LL LET HIM TAKE OVER. MR FIELDS THAT YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. HEY, YALL.MY NAME IS BRIAN FIELDS. UM, LIKE MS JACKSON MENTIONED I'M AN ATTORNEY AT LEGAL AID SOCIETY.
UM AND I WORK A LOT IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO I'M INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCACY COMMISSION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND I REALLY CARE ABOUT THE WORK OF MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE INFORMED OF THEIR RIGHTS UNDER LAW AND PEOPLE ARE ARE EMPOWERED TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW, JUST LIKE WE HAVE MANY FOLKS HERE TODAY ADVOCATING FOR EQUITY IN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. UM I CURRENTLY LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR.
I'M MOVING TO DISTRICT EIGHT SOON. UM BUT I REALLY VALUE THE WORK THAT I DO. NO MATTER WHAT DISTRICT IT'S IN, UM AND I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE PART OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCACY COMMISSION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. IT IS AN APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOTE. ALL THOSE NEVER SAY I CAN. HERE IN OPPOSITION IS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER. MISTER FIELDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BOTH THROUGH LEGAL AID AND THROUGH THIS BOARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WILL BE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN A P 041624 SD THE APPOINTMENT OF DOCTOR YOU
[7. AP041624SD APPOINTMENT OF DR. SHWETA DESAI TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2025) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
WHAT? I DECIDE TO THE HUMAN, UH, RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30TH 2025. I WAS BROUGHT BEFORE MISS JACKSON HIT THE FLOOR. SO DRAI HAD INTENDED TO BE HERE, BUT SHE'S SICK. SO I AM GONNA PRESENT ON HER BEHALF. SHE IS A DOCTOR OF PHARMACIST WITH BAPTIST HEALTH. SHE LIVES IN METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT. UH, 22. SHE IS VERY INTERESTED IN THE HR C ADVOCACY BOARD, AND, UH, THE WORK THAT THIS BOARD DOES. SHE IS EXCITED. UM ABOUT, UM, JOINING THE BOARD. BUT AGAIN, SHE'S A DOCTOR, A PHARMACIST LOOKING INTO SERVING THE COMMUNITY AND WE ASK HER APPOINTMENT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REQUIRING US TO HOLD THIS APPOINTMENT? NO QUESTION OF CONCERNS. THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES THAT VOICE PHOTOS AND PAPERS SAY, II I ANY OPPOSITION? YOU KNOW OPPOSITION HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND SHOULD BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR JB EIGHT A P 041624[8. AP041624YR APPOINTMENT OF YOLANDA REED TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2025) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
YR THE APPOINTMENT OF YOLANDA REED TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS ADVOCACY BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER. 30TH 2025. IS THERE A MOTION? ITEMS FROM MR JACKSON. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. SO, MISS REED, UH, WILL BE FILLING A SEAT DUE TO A RESIGNATION. MIS REED IS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER SHE IS EXPERIENCED IN HR. SHE SPECIALIZES IN COACHING, CONSULTING AND ADVISING INDIVIDUALS, NONPROFITS AND, UH, CORPORATE, UM, AMERICA. SHE IS ON THE CALL, SO I'LL LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF AND TELL A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY SHE WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. MS REED. IF YOU WILL IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? WE CAN. YES, MA'AM. UH, THANKS FOR THIS HONOR AND TIME. UM, MY NAME IS YOLANDA REED. UH, IS MISS JACKSON MENTIONED I AM, UM BY EDUCATION AND TRADE. UM AND HR, UH, CAREER OF 27, PLUS YEARS, UH , IN 2021 DECIDED TO, UH, DO MY OWN THING AS THE WORKPLACE HAD CHANGED. UM BUT I STILL LOVE TO ADVOCATE YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE AND FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT. UM, NO MATTER IF IT'S IN THE EMPLOY. SECTOR OR OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, SERVE ON, UH MANY BOARDS AND[00:20:05]
COMMUNITY. UM GROUPS AND I JUST THINK THAT, UM I CAN CONTINUE MY PASSION THROUGH, UM THIS HR C BACK AT THE C. UM, COMMITTEE. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE PHOTO. YOU SEE I IN OPPOSITION. HERE. AN OPPOSITION'S PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER. MISS REED. THANK YOU[9. AP041624AL APPOINTMENT OF ANNE LIKINS TO THE KENTUCKIANA WORKS – GREATER LOUISVILLE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2025) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. THE NEXT ITEM SHOULD BE ITEM NUMBER NINE A P 041624 A L THE APPOINTMENT OF ANNE LICHENS TO THE KENTUCKY AND IT WORKS GREATER LEVEL WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES JUNE. 30TH 2025. IS THERE A MOTION? ADAMS PROPERTY FOR US, MISS JACKSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SO THE KENTUCKIAN AWARDS BOARD SERVES AS OUR LOCAL WORKFORCE. UM, DEVELOPMENT AND IT WORKS IN AREAS OF THE FOR THE COUNTIES OF JEFFERSON BULLET, HENRY TRIMBLE, OLDHAM, SPENCER AND SHELBY AND THEY, UH, PROVIDE STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. UM AND THERE ARE UP TO 26 MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD. METRO HAS 18 SEATS. THIS UH, THEY SERVE THREE YEAR TERMS. UH THIS BOARD HAS PRESCRIBED SEATS. UM MISS ANNIE. LIENS UH, IS OUT OF DISTRICT SIX. SHE IS THE CHIEF PEOPLE OFFICER WITH BAMBOO HEALTH. SHE IS REPRESENTING THE EMPLOYER FOR HEALTHCARE SLASH IT SEAT. MISS LIENS IS HERE SO SHE WILL INTRODUCE HERSELF AND FURTHER, UH, GIVE YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT HER BACKGROUND. LIKENS IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS ANNIE SCHULTZ. LIENS UM, I, UH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THIS EVENING. UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY HISTORY. I AM A LOUISVILLE NATIVE, UM, AND SPENT SOME TIME IN THE NORTHEAST AND CAME BACK TO LOUISVILLE. SO I'M A I'M A BOOMERANG. UM I SPENT EIGHT YEARS FIRST AS, UH, AN ATTORNEY WORKING AS AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND AN ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL IN MASSACHUSETTS, AND THEN I TRANSITIONED INTO A CAREER IN HR, UM PRIMA. BECAUSE I REALLY ENJOY WATCHING PEOPLE FIND SUCCESSFUL CAREERS THAT CAN BOLSTER THEIR WAY OF LIFE. UM I AM THE CHIEF PEOPLE OFFICER RIGHT NOW. BAMBOO HEALTH PRIOR TO THAT I WAS AT, UH, GENSCAPE, WHICH IS DOWN HERE IN OLD LOUISVILLE AND UM, AND HAVE BEEN ON SEVERAL BOARDS, INCLUDING THE , UM, JCTC BOARD. I'M CURRENTLY SERVING ON THAT BOARD AS WELL AS , UH, THE LOUISVILLE Y MC, A AND THE KENTUCKY SCIENCE CENTER. I PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON BOTH OF THOSE BOARDS. UM II. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HERE AND HAVE REALLY ENJOYED , UM, AS I APPROACHED THIS PART OF MY CAREER BEING ABLE TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON HELPING PEOPLE IN THE AREA. AND CONNECT TO GOOD JOBS AND GOOD WORK. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. TIME NO NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. JUST WANNA COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND SO MANY CAPACITIES AND GLAD TO HAVE YOU INVOLVED IN THE EFFORT AS WELL. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW THE QUESTION OF CONCERNS OR COMMENTS. YOU'RE NOT THE APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE PHONE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I IN OPPOSITION. OPPOSITION IS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER, MISS LIKENS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE A NUMBER NUMBER 10 A P 041624 CS THE APPOINTMENT OF CARLOS SANCHEZ TO THE KENTUCKY IN A WORKS GRID, A GLOBAL WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD A TERM THAT EXPIRES JUNE. 30TH 2025 IS THERE MOTION. I WAS PROBABLY FOR MISS JACKSON NEAR THE FLOOR. AGAIN THIS IS A PRESCRIBED SEAT THAT WE'RE ASKING TO, UH, TO BE FILLED BY[10. AP041624CS APPOINTMENT OF CARLOS SANCHEZ TO THE KENTUCKIANA WORKS – GREATER LOUISVILLE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2025) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
MR CARLOS SANCHEZ. HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF AT&T FOR KENTUCKY. HE LEADS AND EXECUTES THE OVERALL STRATEGIC DIRECTION FOR THE AT&T INITIATIVES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. AND UM, HE IS, OF COURSE, FILLING A SEAT FOR BUSINESS. HE IS ON THE CALL. UM, AND HE CAN TELL MORE ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND. AND BEING A PART OF THIS BOARD. MR SANCHEZ. IF YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. THANK YOU APPRECIATE THIS. CARLOS SANCHEZ, PRESIDENT AT&T, KENTUCKY AND FIRST OF ALL, I'M SORRY. I CANNOT BE THERE WITH YOU, UH, THIS AFTERNOON. I JUST RECENTLY HAD A KNEE SURGERY, SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MOBILITY ISSUES. UH, BUT I APPRECIATE AGAIN. UM THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT CONNECTING, UH, JOB SEEKERS WITH , UH, MEANINGFUL AND SUSTAINABLE EMPLOYMENT. AND OF COURSE, AT&T AS A MAJOR EMPLOYER IN LOUISVILLE, METRO UM, WORK WITH MANY, UH RECENT GRADUATES, CAREER OR COLLEGE READY, AND WE SUPPORT ALSO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, METRO LOUISVILLE AREA, UM,[00:25:05]
THAT ARE WORKING WITH TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF EMPLOYEES AND FUTURE WORKERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I SERVE ON A COUPLE OF BOARDS I'VE BEEN IN, UH, LOUISVILLE. ONLY TWO YEARS.UH, IN KENTUCKY. UH, BUT SINCE THEN I JOINED THE KENTUCKY CHAMBER. UH, BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE GLIG GREATER GLOBAL INC. UH, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES ON SERVING ON THOSE BOARDS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SERVING IN KENTUCKIAN WORKS AND DOING, UM, A GOOD JOB. UH HELPING WITH, OF COURSE, UH, INCREASING THE OVERALL, UH, JOB, UH, NUMBERS FOR OUR AREA. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT IN OPPOSITION. NO OPPOSITION HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. MR SANCHEZ. THANK YOU FOR SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU THE NEXT ITEM R JB I NUMBER 11 RP 041624 SD THE REAPPOINTMENT OF
[11. RP041624SD REAPPOINTMENT OF SARAH DAVASHER-WISDOM TO THE KENTUCKIANA WORKS – GREATER LOUISVILLE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY 28, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
SANDRA DEVES YOUR WISDOM TO THE KENTUCKY O WORKS GREAT. A LITTLE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD A TERM THAT EXPIRES FEBRUARY 28TH 2027. IS THERE A MOTION ITEMS BROUGHT BEFORE US MISS JACKSON IN THE FLOOR. SO WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REAPPOINTMENT. UM SARAH, UH, DAVIS. HER WISDOM IS ON A FLIGHT , UH, TONIGHT, SO THAT'S WHY SHE IS NOT HERE WITH US. BUT SHE, UM THIS IS A PRESCRIBED SEAT. SHE IS THE PRESIDENT CEO OF, UH, GL, I WE KNOW WHAT GL I IS, UM SHE'S OUT OF METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 18 GL, I FOCUSES ON GROWING THE, UH, REGIONAL ECONOMY, TALENT AND WORKFORCE. SO WE DO ASK FOR HER APPOINTMENT ON THIS BOARD. REAPPOINTMENT ON THIS BOARD. OK, ALSO AND PINI THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UH I. I WAIT UNTIL THIS APPOINTMENT BECAUSE IT'S A GENERAL COMMENT, AND I KNOW SARAH VERY WELL AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE ZERO OBJECTION TO HER APPOINTMENT. WE HAVE SOME GREAT CANDIDATES THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED HERE. UH AND I'M VOTING FOR ALL OF THEM, UH, INCLUDING THE TWO REAPPOINTMENTS , OBVIOUSLY. AND I THINK IN A MOMENT HERE, UM, MR COTTON, UH, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THIS BOARD . THERE'S UH, AGAIN ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVERSITY STANDARDS, ONE OF THEM BEING IDEOLOGICAL. THERE'S ONLY TWO REPUBLICANS CURRENTLY ON THIS BOARD. AND SARAH IS ONE OF THEM. UH, WHICH IS A PRESCRIBED SEAT, SO I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS SLATE OF CANDIDATES, BOTH NEW AND SOME REAPPOINTMENTS . UH, BUT I HOPE UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIND SOME ADDITIONAL IDEOLOGICAL DIVERSITY AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT WAVE OF CANDIDATES FOR THIS BOARD, SO THANK YOU. MISS TRIP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING DISAPPOINTMENT. YOU'VE DONE. THIS IS A POINT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE ALL ITS VERY C. I ANY OPPOSITION. YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER THE[12. RP041624CC REAPPOINTMENT OF CORNELIUS COTTON TO THE KENTUCKIANA WORKS – GREATER LOUISVILLE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES MARCH 8, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
NEXT ITEM ON J BE ITEM NUMBER 12 RP 041624 CC THREE APPOINTMENT OF CORNELIUS COTTON TO THE KENTUCKY NETWORKS SQUARE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD, A TERM THAT EXPIRES MARCH 8TH 2027. IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION WAS BROUGHT FOR US. MISS JACKSON. YOU LOOK WE ARE WE ARE ASKING FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MR CORNELIUS COTTON ON TO THE SEAT. HE REPRESENTS THE, UM THEY LABOR ORGANIZATIONS HE REPRESENTS L. I UN A LOCAL 576. HE IS OUT OF METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT 23 AGAIN. THIS IS A PRESCRIBED SEAT. UM MR COTTON REPRESENTS 34 COUNTIES IN CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY THAN IT GOES ON AND ON. HE IS ON THIS CALL, UH, THIS EVENING AND HE CAN TELL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND, MR COTTON, OUR FRIEND FROM LABOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. FIRST OF ALL. THANK YOU. UH, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL, UH, FOR HAVING ME AND YES. UM, SORRY. I GOT ON A LITTLE LATE. I'M ACTUALLY SITTING IN THE CLC MEETING. I JUST STEPPED OUT OF THE ROOM. UH, JUST WANNA SAY YES, I. I DO REPRESENT THE LABORS. UH, LABORS IN THAT NEW NORTH AMERICA. THAT'S WHAT THE LANDER STANDS FOR. UH, SO SET ON THE, UH, CORRECTIONS BOARD, UH, FOR THE STATE OF KENTUCKY AND REPRESENTING OVER. 3500 MEMBERS IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY AND NOW PUTTING FOLKS TO WORK AT THE BATTERY PLANT IN GLENDALE AND IN THE 34 COUNTIES, OF COURSE, JUST BEING REPRESENTED THE STATE OF KENTUCKY RUNNING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TENNESSEE LINE. BELL COUNTY. UH FROM ONE END TO THE SOUTH. I KNOW WE ALMOST BOWLING GREEN, BUT, UM, IT'S A PLEASURE. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE AND I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE I LOVE YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT? YOU NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. THIS IS A POINT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE. ALL SAY I BUT ANY OPPOSITION IN IN OPPOSITION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT[00:30:05]
TO THE CONSENT COUNTER. MISTER COTTON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. BUT YOU ARE THE NEXT SIDE OF OUR GY. I REMEMBER 13 RP 041624 JL THE REAPPOINTMENT OF[13. RP041624JL REAPPOINTMENT OF JACQUELINE FLOYD TO THE LANDBANK AUTHORITY BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY 28, 2028) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
JACQUELINE FLOYD TO THE LAND BANK AUTHORITY BOARD A TERM THAT IT EXPIRES FEBRUARY 28 2028. IS THERE A MOTION MOTION? THAT'S I TAKE THE SEC. UH, MISS PEARCE, RIGHT? YOU ARE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION. SO I THINK THAT IS PROPER FOR US. MISS JACKSON. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. OK? THE LAND BANK AUTHORITY, UM, WAS ESTABLISHED TO ACQUIRE THE TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTIES. UM OF THE PARTY'S PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE I'M SORRY TO ACQUIRE THE TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BECOME BLIGHTED AND DETERIORATED AS THE FINAL KRS 99.705 THIS, UM BORED, HAS THREE MEMBERS ON IT.ONE MEMBER IS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, UH, WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL . THE OTHER ONE IS, UH APPOINTED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, AND THE THIRD ONE IS APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR. UH, THESE, UH INDIVIDUALS, UH, SERVE A FOUR YEAR TERM. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MS JACKIE FLOYD , WHO IS A MAYORAL APPOINTMENT. UH MISS FLOYD IS NOW RETIRED.
UH, SHE IS AT A DISTRICT FOUR. SHE FORMERLY WORKED, UH, WITH WE MOSTLY EVERYBODY KNOWS, OR I'M SURE, BUT SHE'S A COM SHE, UH, USED TO WORK FOR A PLACE OF PROM AT RUSSELL, A PLACE OF PROMISE AS A COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST. UH SHE REMAINS A COMMUNITY PERSON THAT IS VERY DEDICATED TO THIS WORK. SHE IS HERE, UH, TO REINTRODUCE HERSELF TO THOSE THAT, UH, DON'T KNOW HER. I'M GLAD MISS JACKSON GOT IT RIGHT BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S JACKIE. WHEN I READ JACQUELINE FLOYD THROWS ME OFF UNTIL I SEE OUT THERE SO JACKIE, IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACKIE FLO. I AM A NATIVE OF LITTLE, BUT I'M ALSO A VERY PROUD RUSSELL RESIDENT. UH I'M SUPPOSED TO BE RETIRED. BUT I JUST SAY THAT I AM REWIRED. I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RUSSELL PLACE OF PROVINCE BOARD. SINCE I RETIRED. I'M NOW CHAIRMAN. I AM ALSO A VOLUNTEER WITH THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION. I ALSO WORKED OUT AT ELDERS. AND I'M ALSO CO CHAIR OF THE LAND BANK AUTHORITY. I'M ALSO A PROUD MOTHER OF FIVE GRANDMOTHER OF 12 AND GREAT GRANDMOTHER OF I THINK SIX. OK BUT I HEAR I HEAR ABOUT IF I LEFT SOMEBODY ELSE. I LOVE MY COMMUNITY. MY COMMUNITY IS A VERY GOOD TO ME. SO I AM GIVING BACK AS MUCH AS I CAN. AND I'M ALSO PROUD OF DISTRICT FOUR. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO NO QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. WELL, HOLD ON ONE SECOND, UH COUNCILMAN PURPOSES. YOU HAD THE FLOOR.
FIRST COUNCILOR PARISH, RIGHT? YOU HAD FOUR SECOND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES, AND I KNOW YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO GREAT THINGS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. PARENTS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS BEAT ME TO IT. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. UM I THINK THIS IS A REAL TREASURE. I ALSO AGREE WITH ALL OF THE APPOINTMENTS TODAY. I'M REALLY IMPRESSED ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS. THIS MEANS A LOT, UH, TO SEE THAT AND I AM HONORED TO SEE MISS JACKIE FLOYD IN THE CONTINUE ON. SHE COULD JUST GIVE UP ON THIS, BUT SHE WON'T. SO THANK YOU, MISS FLOYD. THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE PHOTOS AND PC. I RIGHT IN IN OPPOSITION.
HEARING TO OPPOSITIONS PASTORS UNANIMOUSLY SHE'LL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT COUNTER, JACKIE THANK YOU FOR NOT ONLY THIS, BUT EVERYTHING YOU DO THE LONG LIST FOR GLOBAL WE APPRECIATE YOU.
[14. RP041624JM REAPPOINTMENT OF JEFFREY MCKENZIE TO THE NULU REVIEW OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMITTEE. (TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY 26, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR GENERAL WILL BE ITEM NUMBER 14 RP 041624 JM THE REAPPOINTMENT OF JEFFREY MCKENZIE TO THE NEW LO REVIEW OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMITTEE, A TERM THAT EXPIRES FEBRUARY. 26 2027. IS THERE A MOTION I JUST DROP THE QUESTION. I WAS PROBABLY FORCE MS JACKSON HIT THE FLOOR. OK THE NEW LO REVIEW OVERLAY COMMITTEE IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THIS COMMITTEE REVIEWS DECISIONS OF THE URBAN DESIGN ADMINISTRATOR. THEY REVIEW DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE. UH FROM BOZA. THIS COMMITTEE HAS NINE MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD. THE THIS BOARD HAS PRESCRIBED SEATS AS WELL. UH, ONE MEMBER FROM THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION. UH, A STAFF MEMBER FROM PLANNING AND DESIGN SERVICES OR FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S ONE ARCHITECT OR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT . THERE'S A MEMBER FROM, UH, THE MAYOR. UH FROM COPA. UH THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION[00:35:07]
. UH AU RESIDENT, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PHOENIX HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUTCHER TAIL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEN THE NEW LO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. MR MCKENZIE IS ON A FLIGHT, SO HE UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT WE ARE STILL ASKING, UH, FOR HIS, UH, REAPPOINTMENT. HE IS REPRESENTING THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. HE IS AN ATTORNEY. HE'S AT A DISTRICT 17. JEFF SERVES AS CORPORATE, TRANSACTIONAL AND BUSINESS COUNCIL TO NUMEROUS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AND SERVICE BUSINESSES. UH WITH HIS EXPERIENCE, HE'S MORE THAN QUALIFIED, UH, TO BE A PARTICIPANT ON THIS BOARD, SO WE ARE ASKING FOR HIS REAPPOINTMENT. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO HOLD UP THIS APPOINTMENT. TURNING DOWN THIS APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE PHOTOS, PAPERS SAY HI. ALL RIGHT IN IN OPPOSITION. YOU'RE NOT NO OPPOSITION. THIS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. BE ITEM NUMBER 15[15. RP041624JR REAPPOINTMENT OF JEFFREY RAWLINS TO THE NULU REVIEW OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMITTEE. (TERM EXPIRES FEBRUARY 26, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
RP 041624 JR THE REAPPOINTMENT OF JEFFREY ROLLINS TO THE NEWLY REVIEWED OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMITTEE, A TERM THAT EXPIRES FEBRUARY. 26 2027. IS THERE A MOTION PROPERTY FOR US, MS JACKSON NEAR THE FLOOR, MR ROLLINS, UM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE CALL TONIGHT. IS HE ON THERE? OH, OK. WAIT HERE. OK SO, UM, HE IS FILLING THE RE SEAT. HE UH, HE IS AN ARCHITECT OUT OF DISTRICT EIGHT HE IS EXPERIENCED WITH REVIEWING DOCUMENTS. HE HAS KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS, UH, NEEDED, UH, MR ROLLINS. YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND. SURE, UM, NICE TO MEET EVERYONE. UM I AM AN ARCHITECT. OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A SMALL FIRM CALLED ARCHITECTURAL ARTISANS. UH, WE ARE CELEBRATING A 60TH YEAR THIS YEAR. UM WE HAVE BEEN IN NEW LU SINCE BEFORE IT WAS CALLED NEW LOOP. UM AND I TEACH DESIGN AT THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY PART TIME AND, UH, REALLY ENJOY BRINGING A HIGHER LEVEL OF DESIGN TO THE COMMUNITY , AND, UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT. THIS REAPPOINTMENT.HERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. THIS IS A REAPPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE ON THE PAPER. C. I HI ANY IN OPPOSITION? HERE IN OPPOSITION. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SHALL BE SENT TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. MR ROLLINS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, UH, THE LAST TWO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA ARE ONE IS, UH, APPOINTMENT. ONE IS A REAPPOINTMENT. THEY BOTH INVOLVE TC, WHO'S HERE TODAY TO BE DISCUSSED. UH I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HOLD UP THE APPOINTMENT BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD. BUT THERE MAY BE SOME DISCUSSION POTENTIALLY ABOUT HOLDING UP THE REAPPOINTMENT BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, WE'RE EXAMINING HERE TODAY. UH, SO WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER 16 A P 041624 DG THE APPOINTMENT OF DUANE GENT TO THE TRANS TRANSIT AUTHORITY OF RIVER CITY T BOARD TO DETERMINE THAT EXPIRES JUNE 30TH 2027. IS THERE
[16. AP041624DG APPOINTMENT OF DUWAYNE GANT TO THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY OF RIVER CITY (TARC) BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES JUNE 30, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
A MOTION ITEMS PUT BEFORE US, MISS JACKSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SO THIS BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED TO PROMOTE AND DEVELOP MASS TRANSPORTATION IN THE AREA. IT HAS EIGHT MEMBERS ON IT. THEY SERVE THREE YEAR TERMS. MR DUANE GANT, WHO IS ON THE CALL VIRTUALLY IS, UM, A RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHER. HE IS AT A DISTRICT ONE. HE AGAIN. HE IS A FORMER JCPS SCHOOL TEACHER. HE IS A PAIR OF TRANSIT USER AND A FORMER MEMBER OF THE METRO DISABILITIES COALITION, UH, WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE SURROUNDING TAT THREE AND T AC RIGHT NOW, MR D CAN BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THIS BOARD, SO WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS APPOINTMENT. MR GANT. IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLU THERE. MR GANT. YOUR VOLUME IS NOT ON. THAT YOURSELF. MY NAME IS DANE GANT. LIKE MISS JACK SAID. I'M RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHER AND COACH. THIS APPOINTMENT ALIGNS WITH EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN DOING MOST OF MY LIFE IS SERVING IN THE COMMUNITY. AND UH, WITH THIS APPOINTMENT, I CAN YES. BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. WITH UH THE DISC GOES TO A LISTEN AND THEN BRING BUT IDEAS TO THE BOARD. AND INSIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING[00:40:05]
THIS APPOINTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO THANK AGAIN FOR THE SERVICES THAT HE HAS GIVEN TO THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE PEOPLE. THANK YOU, UM AS WELL AS RETURNING THAT HE IS A WIDOW MAKE A SCI FI THE WORK THAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR WORKING, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.THANK YOU. COUNCIL PARISH WRIGHT , YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AND I KNOW YOU'RE COMING IN. SECONDLY BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU CHIME IN THE AUDIO IS DELAYED BY A FEW SECONDS, SO YOU'RE CONSISTENTLY BEING BEAT TO THE POST. I LIKE THAT ONE MISS. AND WHEN IT WAS TIME TO VOTE FOR MISS REED, I DIDN'T HEAR MY VOICE COUNT. SO THANK YOU. UM THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, MR CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO TELL MR GAN I'M EXCITED THAT HE IS JOINING. UH UM, THAT HE WOULD BE JOINING THE T A BOARD. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO USE THE SERVICE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I HOPE THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES LISTEN TO YOUR DIRECT LIVED EXPERIENCE OF ACTUALLY USING THE SERVICES. I THINK THAT'S NEEDED. JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND MR GAN. I WILL SAY THIS. I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND ESPECIALLY, YOU'RE WALKING INTO A HORNET'S NEST. WE'RE GONNA LEARN ABOUT THAT LATER TONIGHT, BUT, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE IN THE PAST AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TAKE ON THIS TASK. UH, THIS IS A, UH THIS IS A, UH APPOINTMENT THAT REQUIRES A VOICE PHOTOS.
VCI I. INDIA OPPOSITION. AND IN OPPOSITION HERE IN OPPOSITION. THIS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY BUT SHALL BE SENT TO THE OLD BUSINESS. SO COUNCILMAN MULVIHILL, WHO IS AN EMPLOYEE AT T CAN ABSTAIN. THE NEXT ITEM OF OUR GENDER FOLKS. OH AND MR GANT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE
[17. RP041624TO REAPPOINTMENT OF TAWANDA OWSLEY TO THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY OF RIVER CITY (TARC) BOARD. (TERM EXPIRES MARCH 27, 2027) Action Required By: October 2024 Sponsors: ]
. THE NEXT ITEM. I'M GONNA BE AT NUMBER 17. IT'S THE LAST OF THE APPOINTMENTS BEFORE WE GET ON TO, UH, THE DISCUSSION WITH T. UH THIS IS, UH RP 041624 TO THE REAPPOINTMENT OF TOWANDA OWSLEY TO THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY OF RIVER CITY T BOARD A TERM THAT EXPIRES MAY 27TH 2027 I WAS PROBABLY BEFORE US, MISS JACKSON. SO UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MISS LEY.SHE IS THE SENIOR VP CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER. SHE IS A SENIOR VP CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER. SHE LIVES IN METRO COUNCIL 16 MISS LEY IS THE NEW CHAIR OF THE OPERATING COMMITTEE . SHE'S A NEW MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. AND IF SHE'S REALLY COMMITTED TO THE WORK OF TAR SHE WAS ORIGINALLY APPOINTED IN 2021. WHEN WE GET ON TO DISCUSSIONS, THOUGH. WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU BEFORE WE INTRODUCE MISS LEY, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS, UH, HOW LONG HAS MS HOW HAS BEEN SERVING ON THE BOARD? SINCE UH 2021 2021? OK, SO THREE YEARS. OK, UH COLLEAGUES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE POTENTIAL TABLING THIS CONSIDERING THIS HAS BEEN A BOARD MEMBER WHO'S BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THREE YEARS. IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT. COUNCIL FOR THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. NO I. I SEE NO REASON TO HOLD IT, MISS OWSLEY. UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, DID NOT CREATE THIS ISSUE. I MEAN, WE DIVE INTO THIS IN MORE DETAIL HERE SHORTLY, BUT ALL I'VE HEARD IS THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS ALSO VOLUNTEERED TO DIVE INTO THE FRAY. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD, THIS IS ONE OF TWO PEOPLE WHO LIVES OUTSIDE THE WATERS, AND IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THE DIVERSITY STANDARDS THAT WE UPHOLD, AND I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT RELATING TO THESE TALK APPOINTMENTS. UH, SOMEBODY REPRESENTING AREAS UH, THAT ARE NOT IN THE MORE URBAN AREAS OF THE CITY IS AN IMPORTANT VOICE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, UNLESS THERE'S SOME DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT MS LEY HAS DONE ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE OR DIDN'T HER JOB AS A BOARD REPRESENTATIVE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT T ALL EVIDENCE IS SHE'S BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB, AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON HER. THANK YOU. IN WALES AT THE MOMENT. I WOULD. I WAS THE SECOND. WHAT? COUNCILMAN P. ARGENTI JUST SAID, UM I LIKE THAT. THE FACT THAT SHE RESIDES OUTSIDE OF THE WATER, AND THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE OF CONCERN FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND YEAH, I THINK THE REPRESENTATION AGAIN. I AGREE WITH THE WORK PUT IN FOR THIS, UM, FOR THESE APPOINTMENTS, AND SHE IS ONE OF THEM. THANK YOU. WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, MISS LEY. IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE RECORD, YOU HAD THE FLOOR, MADAM. THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT , UM, OF I. I DON'T TAKE THIS APPOINTMENT LIGHTLY. UM I RESPECT UM THE COUNCIL VERY MUCH AND RESPECT THE ROLE AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF, UM, BEING ON THE TALK BOARD. UM NOR DO I TAKE THE WORKLOAD THAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF US SLIGHTLY. I TAKE IT
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EXTREMELY SERIOUS AND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT OUR OUR COMMUNITY.UM, WE'VE GOT A LONG FIGHT AHEAD AND I THINK MANY OF US ARE FULLY COMMITTED. THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT HAVE PUT US FINANCIAL CLIFF, AND I THINK WE, UM, ARE TRYING TO C TO SLING A SHOT OUT OF IT. AND I AM WILLING TO DEVOTE THAT TIME AND ATTENTION TO IT, UM, AS WELL AS FINDING SOLUTIONS TO MANY OF THE COMMUNITY PROS, INCLUDING I HAVE A CHILD THAT'S ENTERING INTO THE MAGNUM TRADITIONAL PRO PROGRAM AT JCPS, AND WE KNOW THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR TRANSPORTATION DILEMMA, AS WELL AS THE CURRENT DILEMMAS THAT WE HAVE IN OTHER AREAS. SO UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SURVEYING AND I'M COMMITTED TO, UM, COMING UP WITH SOME SOLUTION. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPOINTMENT FOR ANY OF YOU ALL? NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THEM. BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, MISS LEY. YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THREE YEARS NOW CORRECT? UH, YES, DURING THAT THREE YEARS. THE FINANCIAL CRISIS THAT T CURRENTLY FACES. ESSENTIALLY GOING OFF OF FINANCIAL CLIFF HERE AT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HAS BEEN KNOWN BY THE BOARD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS? WE ABSOLUTELY HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN IN TRANSITION OF, UM, LEADERSHIP AS WELL AT TIN WITHIN TRANSIT AUTHORITY. WE ALSO HAD A HUGE IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH COVID. SO THERE'S MANY FACTORS THAT ARE IMPACTING THE FINANCIAL CLIFF AND THE AWARENESS OF IT. NOT AT ANY POINT DID I FEEL AS IF INFORMATION WAS WITHHELD, BUT ALSO FINDING THE SOLUTIONS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE AND OPPORTUNITY AT THE SAME TIME. WELL MY SECOND QUESTION TO YOU. IS THIS THE SEVERITY OF THIS FINANCIAL CLIFF THAT WE ARE FACING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING HERE TONIGHT ? DID YOU FEEL ANY NEED TO NOTIFY ANYONE OUTSIDE OF T? OF THE TRAVESTY THAT WAS COMING DOWN THE ROAD. WITH CERTAINTY. DID YOU FEEL A REASON TO NOTIFY METRO COUNCIL, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR ANYONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF YOUR ORGANIZATION? ABOUT HOW BAD THINGS HAD GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE AT NOW? I THINK THERE ARE MANY CONVERSATIONS AT DIFFERENT POINTS. UM, SOMEWHERE ABOUT ME SOME THAT WERE BY OTHERS. UM BUT I ALSO RESPECTED THE AUTHORITY AND THE UM OF OUR BOARD CHAIRS AND DIFFERENT LEADERS WITHIN THE, UM, BOARD AUTHORITY AS WELL. AND WE FOLLOW PROPER PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AND NOTIFYING INDIVIDUALS. WELL, THAT'S YOU. YOU DON'T ANSWER ANYONE OTHER THAN YOU KNOW, YOU WORK FOR THIS THIS BODY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OTHER THAN THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE A BOSS. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU RESPECT THE AUTHORITY WERE YOU TOLD NOT TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE ABOUT THE SEVERITY OF THE FINANCIAL PROBLEM THAT YOU FACED. I DON'T THINK AT ANY POINT I WAS TOLD NOT TO TELL, UM TO HEIGHTEN AWARENESS OF THAT MATTER. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS HEIGHTENED AWARENESS, UM, OF THE MATTER. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR PHD. THANK YOU. UM MISS OWSLEY. THE TAR UH, T COMES HERE. I THINK IT'S EVERY YEAR EVERY OTHER YEAR TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGET. UM IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOARD PRESENTS IT OR THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PRESENTS IT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SHARES INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE EXECUTIVE TEAM OF T OF THE FINANCIAL STATUS AND OF THE ORGANIZATION. WE ARE REVIEWING THOSE, UM, THAT FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE ORGANIZATION AND WE ARE SUBMITTING THAT IN SUPPORT OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS LEADERSHIP. WAS WAS THE PRIOR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NOT THE CURRENT INTERIM, BUT BUT THE PRIOR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO HAS EITHER RETIRED OR RESIGNED. I FORGET, UH WAS WAS SHE BROUGHT ON BOARD BEFORE OR AFTER YOU WERE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD? SHE WAS IN HER ROLE WHEN I WAS APPOINTED TO THE BOARD, SO, UM AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WHILE DURING MY TIME OF SERVING THE BOARD WE WERE WE DID HAVE CARES. ACT DOLLARS. WE DID HAVE, UM, AMERICAN RESCUE DOLLARS THAT WERE IN PLAY, SO THOSE DOLLARS WERE USED TO SHORE UP THE SHE, UM PERS TO KEEP THINGS AFLOAT. SO DURING THAT TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT RESOURCES WERE AVAILABLE AND HOW WE COULD ALLOCATE THOSE RESOURCES TO KEEP THINGS AFLOAT. YES WE WERE TRYING TO FORECAST OUT, BUT WE WERE ALSO TRYING TO DIVE IN AND KIND OF SWIM THROUGH. UM, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAD, LIKE MANY OTHER, UM, ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN AND COMPANIES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MISS LEY, AND I'LL JUST CONCLUDE WITH LOOK IF I WERE TO SUM UP AND THIS HAS BEEN TRUE WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT'S GONE INTO THE TOILET IN THE CITY EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, IT ALWAYS CAME DOWN TO WHO WAS THE BOSS OF THAT DEPARTMENT. IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A DEPARTMENT OR AN ORGANIZATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT
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TECHNICALLY A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS BEEN PLAGUED BY BAD LEADERSHIP. AND THAT BAD LEADER WAS PUT IN PLACE BEFORE MISS LEY WAS THERE, UM, SO SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROLE IN THAT DECISION, SO IF SHE DID, THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WHO COULD SAY, WELL, WHY DID YOU, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE THIS LEADER AND ETCETERA, BUT BUT THAT WASN'T HER JOB. HER JOB NOW IS TO PICK A NEW LEADER AND HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY WHO WILL BE MORE COMMUNICATIVE AND MORE CREATIVE IN IN A BETTER OPERATOR IN RUNNING THIS AGENCY. UH, BUT I DO NOT SEE THAT AS BEING MISS LEY'S ROLE HER ROLE AS THE BOARD WAS TO, UH UH, PROVIDE OVERSIGHT AND LEADERSHIP RELATED TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS WHO COMMUNICATES AND ALWAYS HAS. WE HAVE NOT RELIED ON THE BOARD TO PRESENT BUDGET INFORMATION TO US. IT WAS ALWAYS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. AND I THINK THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT PERSON'S FAILURE IN THE PAST. IF WE'RE SURPRISED BY THIS NEWS, SO THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK IT WAS SUGGESTED EARLIER. BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD TABLE THESE APPOINTMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL BE VOTING PRESENT? BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE IN ORDER TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION . AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GRILLING THESE BOARD APPOINTMENTS ON SHOULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED BY THE T MANAGEMENT OVER HERE. COUNCILWOMAN CHARO. CAN YOU MAKE THAT FOR MOTION? PLEASE SURE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THESE TWO APPOINTMENTS ITEMS. OH, THAT THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY. THE NEW APPOINTMENT. NO, THE REAPPOINTMENT. ITEM NUMBER 17. I VOTE THAT WE RE PEOPLE ITEM 17. SECOND. OK? COMMITTEE MEMBER, HAWKINS.NO, I'M FINE. I'LL LEAVE ALL MY, UH, COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD. THEY'RE NOT FOR HER. I MEAN, ARE YOU ASKING MY VOTE? WE'RE ASKING . THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE TO TABLE. IT. CAN I REMEMBER PAIRS, RIGHT? I DON'T AGREE TO TABLE IT . I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH THESE APPOINTMENTS. I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ANSWERED. AND I AGREE WITH THE ACCOUNTING.
UM I'VE WORKED WITH, UH METROPOLITAN, UM, DISABILITIES COALITION AND SOME OTHER FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND I'VE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM ON MISS OWSLEY, BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM THEM ON OTHER FOLKS. SO AT THIS TIME, NO POINT OF ORDER, MADAM, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON A MOTION TO TABLE SO WE HAVE YOU DOWN FOR A NO VOTE ON THE MOTION. OK, NOW, MR CLERK IF YOU COULD CONTINUE COMMITTEE MEMBER, BLACKWELL NO. CAN WE REMEMBER OUR CHAIR AGER? YES. YOU HAVE FOUR YES VOTES AND SIX NO VOTES. MOTION TO TABLE FAILS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AT THE MOMENT. COUNCIL ON PURPOSE. MISS LEY. IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THREE YEARS, AND YOU'VE SEEN THE FINANCIAL STATUS KIND OF REACH A SLOPE, UM AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL LEAVE A LOT INTO THE HANDS OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. BUT I CAN'T HELP TO THINK THAT YOU AND SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WERE COMPLICIT IN NOT UM SHARING THIS INFORMATION WITH OTHERS OUTSIDE OF YOUR YOUR BOARD. SO I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I'M I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW. UM HOPEFULLY, IF YOU SPEAK WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES ISSUES LIKE THIS. COME UP AGAIN.
YOU CANNOT WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE TO ASK FOR A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. UH FROM A COUNCIL THAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY STRAPPED AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TORK EMPLOYEES, UH, BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR POSITION AS EMPLOYEES BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN, UH, TAKING CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES, BUT THIS IS NOT GOOD TO LEARN OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. WELL, I'M GONNA CONCLUDE AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS COUNCIL PENTTI, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR, I DISAGREE WITH YOU. AND THE REALITY IS THIS. THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR I THINK SHE WAS TERRIBLE. I THINK ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO THAT THE MAYOR'S OWN LETTER TALKS ABOUT THE LACK OF STRATEGIC PLANS FOR LEADERSHIP IN THE SITUATION. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. HOWEVER THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ANSWERS TO THE BOARD. AT THE END OF THE
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DAY. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA LEARN HERE TONIGHT. IS THIS CLIFF? THERE IS NO SURPRISE. NO BOOBY TRAP. BECOMING FOR MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA LEARN TONIGHT THAT THEY'VE BEEN SCALING BACK ON INFRASTRUCTURE, SCALING BACK ON ON MAINTENANCE AND OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS TRYING TO SHIFT MONEY AROUND TO COVER THE WHOLE THAT THEY KNEW THEY HAD AT THE MOMENT. THEY'RE SAVING GRACE WAS ARC MONEY. WHEN THE ARC MONEY CAME IN, THAT WAS THE SAVING GRACE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO MAINTAIN SILENCE. ON THE ISSUE. KNOWING OUR MONEY IS GOING TO RUN OUT, THOUGH. THAT BRINGS US TO THIS POINT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M LOOKING OUT HERE.THESE FOLKS IN THE ROOM AND A NUMBER OF YOU HAVE A DARN GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU MAY BE LOSING YOUR JOBS BECAUSE OF THIS COMPLICITY OF SILENCE TO MAINTAIN STATUS QUO AND MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT THINGS ARE RUNNING, OK? AND THAT'S NOT OK IN THIS WORLD. I THINK ANY MEMBER OF A BOARD OWES AN OBLIGATION. WHEN YOU TAKE ON THAT ROLE OF LEADERSHIP, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE CITIZENSHIP. TO BE A FINANCIAL STEWARD. AND WHEN THERE'S PROBLEMS, YOU SHOULD BE BRINGING THOSE PUBLIC LIGHT. CARRIE BUTLER DID NOT CONTROL THESE BOARD MEMBERS. THEY DON'T ANSWER TO HER. SHE COULDN'T FIRE THEM. DISCIPLINE THEM IN ANY MANNER.
AND THE MOMENT THEY LEARN ABOUT THIS STUFF, AND THEY ALLOW THE SILENCE TO CONTINUE. I SAY SHAME. WITH THAT I WILL BE A NO VOTE. WITH THIS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE THIS A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS APPOINTMENT. COMMITTEE MEMBER, HAWKINS. IS THIS TO TABLE? IT? NO, IT'S THE ROLL CALL VOTE TO APPROVE. OH, NO. UH OH. COMMITMENT PAS RIGHT? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER RENO LETTER.
OK? CHAIR ECKERSON. YOU HAVE SIX YES VOTES, THREE NO VOTES AND ONE PRESIDENT. THERE ARE PASSES AND SHOULD BE SENT TO ALL BUSINESS. FOLKS THAT CONCLUDES OUR APPOINTMENTS FOR THE NIGHT.
NEXT ON OUR GINS COULD BE ITEM NUMBER ONE. ID 240223 KANSAS TRANSIT AUTHORITY OF RIVER CITY.
[1. ID 24-0223 TRANSIT AUTHORITY OF RIVER CITY (TARC) – Steve Miller, TARC Board Finance Chair and Ozzy Gibson, Mayor’s Office]
UH, DISCUSSION ON OUR CURRENT PHYSICAL CLIFF. I DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THAT. DO I? MADAM CLERK. OK? LET'S HEAR FROM THE PROS FROM DOVER TONIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AND FROM THERE, YOU'LL BE GIVING US A PRESENTATION. FROM THERE.WE'LL MOVE INTO SOME QUESTIONS AND, UH AND TAKE IT FROM THERE. ABSOLUTELY. NOT FOR MY PART, UH, FOR MR GIBSON'S I'M I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER HERE NO, I'M FINE. WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HERE TO LEARN FROM TONIGHT. YOU'RE HERE TO EDUCATE US DOWN ON JUST HOW BAD THIS IS. AND SO WE GIVE YOU CARTE BLANCHE. CHAIRMAN ANDERSON VICE CHAIRMAN, UH HUDSON. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. UH, MY NAME IS STEVE MILLER. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. UH, FOR T AC. I'M A RESIDENT OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. THE LAST 17 YEARS, AND I'M A, UH, A RESIDENT OF COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN. I'M GONNA PRESENT THE FACTS, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT T C'S CURRENT FINANCIAL SITUATION.
I'LL BE FOLLOWED BY INTERIM, UH, DIRECTOR OZZIE GIBSON, WHO WILL EXPLAIN THE BOARD'S DECISION YESTERDAY REGARDING THE FY 25 BUDGET. THAT WILL SUBMIT TO THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ALSO HERE WITH US FROM T TODAY IS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TONYA CARTER CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER.
ROB STEVENS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, ALEX. UH, PEARS. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FORMER US SENATOR DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN USED TO HAVE A QUOTE THAT I LIKED A LOT, HE SAID.
EVERYONE'S ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION. BUT NOT THEIR OWN FACTS. AND SO IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE FACTS TODAY, UH, THAT WE ESTABLISH THESE FACTS ABOUT TAR'S FINANCIAL SITUATION BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION. SO FOR 11 MONTHS. THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE TAT BOARD. NINE OF THEM IS THE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR. IT'S 291 DAYS. UH, I'VE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND THESE FINANCIAL FACTS AND BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE FACTS TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. KEY DECISION MAKERS IN METRO GOVERNMENT. AND KEY STAKEHOLDERS. BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW. THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE AND WITH VERIFICATION OF THE STAFF. THE FACTS I'M GONNA PRESENT TODAY ARE ACCURATE. THE 16 FACTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO UNDERSTANDING WHERE T AC STANDS IN THE SPRING OF 2024. AND BASED ON THESE FACTS, THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL MUST DECIDE THE BEST COURSE FOR GOING FORWARD SO THE TART CAN CARRY
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OUT ITS MISSION TO THE PEOPLE OF LOUISVILLE AND SOUTHERN INDIANA EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY.IT'S IMPERATIVE. THAT WE UNDERSTAND THESE FACTS CLEARLY BECAUSE AS BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP TAT FINANCIALLY SOLVENT. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE COUNCIL MEMBERS IF WE STAY ON OUR CURRENT COURSE, T AC IS HEADED DOWN THE PATH. FOR INSOLVENCY.
AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN. BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO FACE THE FACTS. WE PREPARED A DOCUMENT CALLED 16 FACTS THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE COMMITTEE STAFF YESTERDAY. I HOPE IT'S IN YOUR POCKET NOW. WE PREVIOUSLY BRIEFED CHAIRMAN AKERSON VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON AND PRESIDENT WINKLER ON THESE FACTS, AND WE WANT TO PRESENT THEM TO THE FULL COMMITTEE NOW.
WELL, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR LESS THAN A YEAR. OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND T MUCH LONGER. SAY THAT THE FISCAL CLIFF HAS BEEN MENTIONED TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE. BUT NOT AT THIS LEVEL OF CANDOR AND DETAIL. SO NOW IT'S TIME TO LAY THE FACTS BEFORE YOU. SO IF YOU CAN REFER TO YOUR 16 FACTS, FACT NUMBER ONE. TURKS FIXED ROUTE RIDERSHIP BOARDINGS. THAT'S ONE WAY IN EACH TRANSFER IS A SEPARATE BOARDING. DECLINED FOR YEARS BEFORE COVID STRUCK. THERE WERE ABOUT 11 MILLION INDIVIDUAL BOARDINGS IN 2019. NOW IT'S LESS THAN 6 MILLION. ABOUT 17,000 INDIVIDUAL BOARDINGS OCCUR EACH WEEKDAY. IF YOU TAKE ONE. FROM YOUR HOME TO YOUR PLACE OF WORK AND BACK. THAT'S TWO BOARDINGS. AND IN A DAY IF YOU GO AND MAKE A TRANSFER SOMEPLACE AND THEN TRANSFER BACK, THAT'S FOUR IN A DAY. SO PROBABLY 878 9000. INDIVIDUALS RIDE TAR EACH WORK DAY. THAT'S ABOUT 1% OF COURSE OF THE POPULATION OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. BUT FOR MANY OF THESE PEOPLE, TK IS THEIR ONLY SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION. FACT NUMBER TWO STARTS. CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET IS ABOUT $110 MILLION A YEAR. THAT'S ABOUT $9 MILLION MONTHLY. THAT REVENUE COMES FROM VARIOUS SOURCES. YOU HAVE A PIE CHART THERE IN YOUR PACKET. 67% COMES FROM OCCUPATIONAL TAXES.
20% AND THAT'S A NUMBER. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND. 20% OF THE OPERATING BUDGET OF TAR CURRENTLY COMES FROM COVID RELIEF FUNDS. 5% 5. OF THE REVENUE OF T COMES FROM FARES.
3% FROM FEDERAL FORMULA. UH, FUNDS. 3% FROM OTHER LOCAL ACTIVITIES, ADVERTISING AND OTHER THINGS ONLY 2% FROM STATE FROM KENTUCKY STATE GOVERNMENT IN INDIANA STATE GOVERNMENT AND 2% FROM OTHER RESOURCES. SO 87% OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM OCCUPATIONAL TAXES. AND THE FEDERAL COVID RELIEF FUNDS. FACT NUMBER THREE. THE LOCAL OCCUPATIONAL TAX RATE WAS SET IN 1974. IT'S IRONIC THIS IS THE 50TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF TARS CREATION. AND THAT TAX RATE HAS NOT CHANGED IN 50 YEARS. TO OUR CURRENTLY RECEIVES 9% OF THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX PROCEEDS. AND CHANGING THAT RATE REQUIRES THAT THE PEOPLE PASS A TAX LEVY. NOW THE AMOUNT THAT'S ALLOCATED BETWEEN T AC, THE METRO COUNCIL AND JCPS CAN CHANGE BUT TO CHANGE THE TAX RATE REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. FACT NUMBER FOUR. TAT PROJECTS THAT IT WILL COMPLETELY EXHAUST ITS FEDERAL COVID RELIEF FUNDS BY JULY. 1 2025 FACT, NUMBER FIVE IS ALREADY CHANGED IN A FEW DAYS SINCE WE SENT THIS TO YOU. THE FACT SAYS SOON THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILL SET THE COMMONWEALTH'S BIENNIAL BUDGET THROUGH JULY. THE 1ST 2026 THAT'S NOW FINAL. SO FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THE STATE BUDGET IS FIXED. FACT NUMBER SIX. TALK AGGRESSIVELY SEEKS FEDERAL GRANTS, BUT FEW OF THOSE GRANTS ARE ALLOWED TO FUND OPERATING EXPENSES. THAT'S THE REVENUE SIDE. FACT NUMBER SEVEN. CHARTS OPERATIONAL SPENDING IS AS FOLLOWS 34% FOR LABOR 32% FOR FRINGE BENEFITS, SO 66% OF OUR EXPENSES ARE FOR LABOR AND FRINGE BENEFITS. 17% FOR PAIR TRANSIT. 7% FOR MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES. THAT'S FUEL PARTS. UH OTHER SUPPLIES 6% FOR SERVICES AND 4% IS OTHER AND YOU HAVE THAT CHART IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. FACT NUMBER EIGHT. IS THE CHAIR MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY TK HAS HAD SUBSTANTIAL OPERATING DEFICITS FOR A LONG TIME. TARS LEADERSHIP ADDRESSED THESE DEFICITS IN LARGE PART BY DOING THREE THINGS NUMBER ONE. LIKE
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MANY BUSINESSES THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY CAREER. THE DIVERTED CAPITAL FUNDS TO THE OPERATING BUDGET AND LEGALLY PERMITTED WAYS FOR 20 YEARS. NUMBER TWO. THEY CUT LESS USED ROUTES. AND NUMBER THREE, OF COURSE THE PAST FEW YEARS USING FEDERAL COVID RELIEF FUNDS, THAT'S 100 AND $40 MILLION WORTH OF COVID RELIEF FUNDS HAVE GONE TO WILL HAVE GONE TO TAR OVER THOSE FIVE YEARS. WITHOUT THOSE FUNDS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE BOARD OR MANAGING TAR WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO WITH THE MESSAGE THAT I'M DELIVERING TODAY. FACT NUMBER NINE DARK, ANTICIPATES FINISHING THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IN JUNE WITH AN OPERATIONAL DEFICIT OF ABOUT $27 MILLION. THERE'S BEING FAIRS AND OTHER LOCAL REVENUES AND PLANNED USE OF THE MASS TRANSIT TRUST FUND, WHICH IS, OF COURSE, WHERE TARS PORTION OF OCCUPATIONAL UH UH, TAXES REST MINUS THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. AND CURRENTLY MANY CITIES FACE THIS KIND OF OPERATIONAL DEFICIT. FACT NUMBER 10. TO MAKE MATTERS EVEN MORE COMPLICATED AND IMPORTANT NOW TO COLLECTING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT RUNS OUT IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. FACT NUMBER 11 OUR PARATRANSIT CONTRACT WITH OUR SERVICE PROVIDER RUNS OUT IN DECEMBER OF 2024. FACT NUMBER 12 WITHOUT A SUBSTANTIAL INFUSION OF NEW REVENUE, OR A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN SPENDING TART WILL BEGIN DRAWING DOWN ON THE MASS TRANSIT TRUST FUND BALANCE MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVELY IN FY 26 BEGINNING IN JULY OF 25. THAT MASS TRANSIT TRUST FUND CURRENTLY HOLDS ABOUT $54 MILLION THAT'S ALLOCATED TO TAR FROM OCCUPATIONAL TAXES. FACT 13 AS THE END OF FY 26. AND IN JUNE OR SO OF 26 DARK ANTICIPATES AN ANNUAL STRUCTURAL OPERATING BUDGET DEFICIT OF 28 TO $30 MILLION. IT'S 28 TO 30 MILLION OUT OF 110 MILLION FORTUNATELY, ONE PIECE OF GOOD NEWS T HAS NO LONG TERM DEBT OTHER THAN ITS PENSION OBLIGATIONS. BACK 14 WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL NEW REVENUES OR SUBSTANTIAL SPENDING REDUCTIONS. T AC WILL HIT ITS PHYSICAL CLIFF WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF JULY, THE FIRST 2026 AT THAT POINT TAR WOULD BE FORCED TO EITHER BORROW MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF A LENDER COULD EVEN BE FOUND. OR RADICALLY REDUCE ITS SERVICE AREA AND FREQUENCY OF SERVICE OR BECOME INSOLVENT. BACK 15. ALSO THE CHAIR REFERENCED THIS EARLIER. CURRENTLY TART DOES NOT HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT CLEARLY DEFINES SPENDING PRIORITIES EITHER GEOGRAPHICAL, DEMOGRAPHIC OR OTHER TO GOD DECISIONS BY THE BOARD, THE MAYOR OR METRO COUNCIL. THE OTHER PIECE OF GOOD NEWS AND MUCH BAD NEWS.CHALLENGING NEWS. T RECEIVED A FEDERAL GRANT CALLED TAT 2025, TOTALING $1.2 MILLION TO DEVELOP AND CONSIDER SYSTEM REDESIGN OPTIONS. THIS PROCESS WILL INCLUDE FACILITATED CONVERSATIONS WITH A WIDE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY AND SOUTHERN INDIANA, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC AND WILL PRODUCE THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS BY NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER OF 2024. BUT BECAUSE OF FEDERAL RULES, AND WE RECEIVE A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEREFORE WE'RE SUBJECT TO THEIR REGULATION AND HOW WE SPEND MONEY. BECAUSE OF THOSE FEDERAL RULES. IT COULD THEN TAKE AS MUCH AS A YEAR TO IMPLEMENT A SIGNIFICANT REDESIGN OF TARS SYSTEM. SO, MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THOSE ARE THE 16 FACTS. I PRESENTED THOSE TO THE BOARD. I AS FOR OPEN COMMENT, UH , FROM ANYONE ONLINE, OR, UH, JOINING US IN PERSON, AND TO DATE NO ONE HAS CHALLENGED THE ACCURACY OF THOSE FACTS. AND SO FACED WITH THOSE FACTS. AND PRESENTING THEM TO YOU FOR IN THIS KIND OF LEVEL OF DETAIL, AND I HOPE CANDOR. UH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR THAT I CAME HERE PERSONALLY TO DELIVER THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN MANY AS A VOLUNTEER. UH SOME OF THESE TECHNICAL THINGS I WILL NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO STAFF WILL, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CONSTANT MATTER ON MY MIND SINCE I BECAME FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR IN JULY. AND WE BEGAN THESE DISCUSSIONS WEEKS AGO, UH, INFORMING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND AGAIN BEGINNING TO INFORM, UH, KEY MAYORS OF METRO COUNCIL I RECALL VIVIDLY LAST YEAR WHEN COUNCIL VOTED ON THE TART BUDGET. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTED YES. BUT
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BUT SENT A SIGNAL THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN UNLESS A CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE MUCH EARLIER, UH IN THE BUDGET CYCLE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WERE REALLY ABLE TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND BE ABLE TO BEGIN PRESENTING THOSE TWO KEY MEMBERS OF METRO COUNCIL. UH OVER THE LAST MONTH. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW, MR CHAIR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR MR GIBSON'S, UH, PRESENTATION FIRST, OR YOU WANT TO ASK ME QUESTIO ABOUT THE FACTS. I'LL STAY HERE AS LONG AS YOU WANT. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTION I CAN. LET'S JUST HOLD THERE FOR ONE SECOND, MR MILLER, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDOR YOU ON THE BOARD FOR A YEAR NOW. AND SO I DON'T HOLD YOU AT FAULT FOR THIS WHAT I THINK WAS CLEARLY EVIDENT A DECADE AGO. UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US ALL THE FACTS, THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY COLLEAGUES. UH, FIRST IN THE QUEUE IS GONNA BE COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. UH, BUT I WANT TO RECOMMEND THIS. IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS THAT I CALL LOW LEVEL QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS. THOSE ARE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A VERY COMPLEX QUESTION SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE BETTER OFF. SENT VIA EMAIL BECAUSE TALK FOLKS ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO ANSWER THE TOUGHER QUESTIONS. UH, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION, AND IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER IT'S THE COMPLEX OR THE LOW LEVEL QUESTION. GO AHEAD AND ASK IT IF NOTHING ELSE WILL RESPECT T A'S POSITION. TO TAKE NOTES ON THAT QUESTION AND GET US BACK. AN ANSWER TO THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION . IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER TONIGHT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE OZZIE. YOU'RE NEW TO THE SHIP. NO ONE HERE SHOULD BLAME OR HOLD ANY FAULT TO OZZIE. THE ADMINISTRATION. I WANT TO THANK MAYOR GREENBERG. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY HE RECOGNIZED THIS AND HE FORCED THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP. YOU KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT TO HIS PLATE. HE ASKED FOR STRATEGIC PLAN. A STRATEGIC PLAN WAS NEVER BROUGHT FORWARD.SO AGAIN. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE CAPABLE PEOPLE NOW AT THE HELM OF THE SITUATION. BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S A CLIFF WE FACE WITH THAT BEING, SAID COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM. OK, THANK YOU. CHAIR UM I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS REALLY TO SAY. THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO ANSWER THEM. THEY CAN'T. UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS FIRST. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THANKS OZZIE. UM I KNOW THAT YOU ADOPTED THIS. UM BUT I KNOW LAST YEAR I REMEMBER OF MY FIRST YEAR UM, AND A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUE DID NOT WANNA SUPPORT THIS. UM THEY DIDN'T WANNA SUPPORT T AND I JUST COULDN'T UNDERSTAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME. WHY NOT? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT WOULD AFFECT SO MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT ONE THING THAT I REMEMBER VAGUELY IS THAT TAR DID PROMISED TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WE PASSED THE THINGS THAT THEY ASKED US, UM BUT FOR ME, IT'S LIKE WE GET THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE COMMUNICATION LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THE MAYOR COMES OVER WITH HIS BUDGET. THAT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. OR, UM, A REALLY GOOD LINE. UM, AND ONE OF THE, UM UM, HAD PEOPLE A TARP A DIRECTOR? I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS, BUT, UM, I KNOW SHE MADE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS STATING THAT THEY WERE BLINDSIDED. UM, JUST ON JUST, UM, DIFFERENT OPTIONS. UM IT WAS JUST THE ABSENT OF OPTION ABOUT THE JUSTIN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
BUT IF ANYBODY WAS BLINDSIDED, I THINK METRO COUNCIL WAS BLIND, SAVVY, BLIND SAVVY. THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TALK WAS OUT OF FUNDING. AND YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT FOR US TO SAVE Y'ALL. UH, AND THE MAN'S GIRL COME OVER HERE A WEEK. WITH HIS BUDGET THAT'S BLINDSIDED. I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, UM SO I JUST WANTED, UM I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT OF MY CHEST. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. YOU CAN LET SOMEBODY ELSE SPEAK RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S I LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE CHAIR STEPPED AWAY FOR A MINUTE AND HE IS NOW BACK. I THINK P IS UP IN THE QUEUE NEXT THANK YOU FOR NOT GETTING A CUE. POLICE. THANK YOU , MR CHAIR. UM SO FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE FINALLY EXPERIENCING IS SOME ADULTS IN THE ROOM AND INCLUDING BOTH OF YOU HERE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, II. I KNOW FOR A FACTHAT TARS IN FU DUMPSTER FIRE MODE BAUSE OZZIE GIBSON IS RUNNING IT NOW. UH OZA GSON F THO THA DON' KNOW M H T OR ABEV DEPEN THAE YEARS FROUMPSTERIRETATUS D FINALLYIXEDT. SOT'S LIKE THE SUREFIRE INDICATOR THAT YOU'VE GOT A DEPARTMENT IN COMPLETE, SPIRALING, UNCONTROLLED FREE FALL WHEN OZZIE COMES IN, BECAUSE HE'S UH BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, HE'S ALWAYS BEEN EFFECTIVE AT TURNING THINGS AROUND, BUT THAT REQUIRES HARD DECISIONS. THIS COUNCIL.
WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED. I WASN'T IN OFFICE ONE MONTH AND I'M EYE TO EYE WITH THE MAYOR WHO'D NEVER PERSONALLY MET BEFORE TELLING ME WE HAD TO INCREASE TAXES OR ELSE WE WERE
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ALL GONNA DIE THAT THIS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS FISCAL CLIFF. IT WAS GOING TO BE HORRIBLE. CUT EVERYTHING. METRO WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. IT WAS THE MOST RIDICULOUS EXPRESSION OF, UH, JUST HYPERBOLE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD BECAUSE HE WANTED HIS TAX INCREASE TO FUND HIS CITY. THE REALITY WAS THAT WE HAD BEEN UNDER A DEFICIT FOR SIX YEARS. PRIOR TO THAT. WE HAD NEVER TURNED A SURPLUS IN THE CITY UP TO THAT TIME. BECAUSE WE JUST HAD EXPENSES OUTPACING REVENUE PERIOD FULL STOP. THAT WAS THE REASON WE MADE VERY HARD DECISIONS THAT BUDGET YEAR. AND INCLUDED LAYING OFF PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE CITY. THERE WAS NOT ONE PERSON THAT WAS ELECTED HERE THAT WANTED TO MAKE THAT DECISION, NOT ONE. NOBODY WANTED. GOOD HARD WORKING PUBLIC SERVANTS LIKE THOSE THAT ARE SITTING HERE TO LOSE THEIR JOBS PERIOD. NOBODY. BUT WE HAD TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS. WE HAD TO BE THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM BECAUSE IT IT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A MUCH WORSE SCENARIO. IF WE JUST BAILED OUT WHAT WAS A STRUCTURALLY FAILING SYSTEM. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE RUN A BUDGET SURPLUS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. EVERY SINGLE YEAR BECAUSE OF THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS. WE NOW HAVE A BUDGET THAT HAS INCOME OUTPACING. EXPENSES AND WE DIDN'T MAKE ONE CHANGE TO THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX AND OUR PROPERTY TAX RATE IS NOW LOWER THAN IT WAS PRE MERGER LOWER THAN IT WAS SIX YEARS AGO. I KNOW YOU'RE YOU GAVE THE STATS IN YOUR OCCUPATIONAL TAX. BUT YOUR OCCUPATIONAL TAX IS I UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S BEEN OURS HAS BEEN THE SAME PERCENTAGE FOR 50 YEARS. AND WE'VE HAD INCREDIBLE WAGE INFLATION OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, PARTICULARLY SO WE'VE SEEN SURPLUSES BASED ON THAT SAME RATE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR 50 YEARS . WHAT YOU HAVE IS A STRUCTURAL PROBLEM. I KNOW YOU. YOU YOU YOU'RE THE FIRST PERSON TO ACTUALLY STAND UP HERE IN A MINUTE. THANK GOD. OK AND NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS. WHAT I HOPE IS THAT THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS WHICH WILL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS. UH, IS AND ANOTHER ONE IS THE USE OF ARP DOLLARS. WE AND I WOULD MENTION COUNCIL KRAMER. BUT WE AS A PHILOSOPHY, SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHEN ARP WAS PRESENTED THAT WE DID NOT WANT ARP DOLLARS GOING TO OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN YOU THAT IT'S A CRUTCH. WE WANT IT ONE TIME DOLLARS TO FUND ONE TIME EXPENSES. WE WEREN'T FULLY SUCCESSFUL IN THAT I CAN TELL YOU WE MADE A FEW VOTES WHERE UNFORTUNATELY WENT TO SOME OPERATING THINGS, BUT WE NEED TO GET MY POINT OF BRINGING ALL THAT UP IS GETTING BACK TO THIS STRUCTURAL SUSTAINABILITY. WE NEED A T FISCAL STRUCTURAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND EVEN THE PROPOSAL. I KNOW THAT THE UNION HAD BROUGHT A PROPOSAL THAT WANTED, YOU KNOW, X MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE CITY THAT IS NOT STRUCTURALLY SUSTAINABLE.RIGHT THERE MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO HELP IF WE KNOW THEIR STRUCTURAL SUSTAINABILITY. BUT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT PROOF, I CAN TELL YOU I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS TALKING LAST YEAR ABOUT I CAN'T CHRONICALLY SUPPORT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF OR STRUCTURALLY SUSTAINABLE AND NOW WE HAVE THE PROOF, SO IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SUPPORT IT UNLESS WE KNOW THE STRUCTURAL SUSTAINABILITY. BUT THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU FOR STEPPING IN INTO THE FIRE, AND BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. IS THE STRUCTURAL SUSTAINABILITY. UH, ON AN ONGOING BASIS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. COUNCILOR KRAMER. YOU'RE NEXT TO THE QUEUE AND YOU HIT THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. UM, I'M NOT SURE. THAT IS A QUESTION , I GUESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I EXPECT AN ANSWER. UM, THIS EVENING. YOU LIST 16 FACTS. UM, I THINK THERE IS ONE OR TWO. MISSING GLARING FACTS. UM I I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR NUMBERS. UM RIDERSHIP DROPPED FROM 11 MILLION INDIVIDUAL BOARDINGS IN 2019 TO 17,000. EACH WEEKDAY. UM, THAT IS I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, BUT THAT'S A PHENOMENAL DROP. UM AND YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE T AC THAT THE RATE TAX RATE HASN'T CHANGED, BUT THE COUNCIL P ARGENTINA'S POINT, UM, WHILE THE TAX RATE MAY NOT HAVE CHANGED, UH, CERTAINLY THE TAX REVENUE HAS AND SO I'M I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ACTUALLY ASKING FOR YOU TO CALCULATE THIS I. I GUESS I'M ASKING YOU TO TELL ME IF I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK IN MY PROJECTION, IF I WERE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL REVENUE WAS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK WE CAN AGREE THE ACTUAL REVENUE IS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY, AND WE LOOK AT THE AT THE RIDERSHIP OVER THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW THAT THE RIDERSHIP HAS DROPPED PRECIPITOUSLY. AND SO IF YOU PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, THE COST PER RIDE HAS GONE. IT'S OUTRAGEOUS THE CHANGE RIGHT THEN I WOULD ASK IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE TAX RATE. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE SALARIES OF
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THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THOSE TAXES RIGHT? HAVE THEIR SALARIES GONE UP MORE THAN THE PRECIPITOUS, THE MORE THAN THAT HUGE INCREASE IN COST PER RI. I DARE SAY THEY HAVE NOT. I'M SURE I COULD DO THE MATH AND PROVE IT. UM, AND THEN AND THEN ADD IN THAT YOU INCREASING THE TAXES WOULD BE ASKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIDERSHIP IS ASKING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE. WHO RIDE LESS AND LESS AND LESS TO PAY CONSIDERABLY MORE. IN TAXES. SO I AGAIN, I THINK TO COUNCILMAN P. ARGENTINA'S POINT IT THIS ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO WE FIND ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR THIS? THIS IS A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE COMPLETELY RESTRUCTURE WHAT WE'RE DOING? BECAUSE OUR RIDERSHIP DOESN'T MATCH THE EXPENSE AND THE EXPENSE? NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE REVENUE. UM I DID JUST AGAIN. QUICK MATH IN MY HEAD AND I'M I'M CERTAINLY NOT A MATH PERSON, UM BUT IF YOU WERE TO SUGGEST THAT TAKE THAT 17,000 INDIVIDUAL BOARDINGS, I THINK YOU SAID EIGHT OR 9000, EVEN IF YOU COUNTED THAT AS 11,000, AND YOU TOOK THAT NUMBER, 100 AND 10 MILLION IS THE REVENUE. THAT'S THAT'S $10,000 A YEAR. HER RIDER. WE YOU. T IS ASKING US TO PAY $10,000 A YEAR PER RIDER. OH, MY GOODNESS. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY. TO SERVE THOSE 10,000 PEOPLE. THEN THEN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS AGAIN, I. I DON'T THINK I'M SAYING ANYTHING NEW. UM THIS REQUIRES STRUCTURAL CHANGE THIS. THIS ISN'T A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH REVENUE WE'RE GENERATING OR HOW MUCH WE CAN'T. EVEN IF WE WANTED TO DO THIS. WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT. I, I WELL. EXPECT IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE FOR. UM BUT I'M REPRESENTING A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE SURVIVING DAY TO DAY TO DAY AND INFLATION IS ALREADY WHAT INFLATION IS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FACT NUMBER TWO, OR IS IT FACT NUMBER THREE? I APPRECIATE YOUR FACT THAT THE TAX RATE HASN'T GONE UP, BUT I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT THAT THE ACTUAL REVENUE HAS GONE UP WAY BEYOND. UM WHAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE FOR RIDERSHIP? I THINK THAT FACT THAT NEEDS TO BE FIGURED IN SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU TO CALCULATE THAT FACT.BUT I WOULD ASK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD THERE BE AT LEAST A FACT. 17 AND PERHAPS EVEN IN FACT, 18. IT REFLECTS THOSE REALITIES. THANK YOU, IS IT IS THAT A IS THAT AS CLEAR ENOUGH, UH, IT AND MR CHAIR IF I CAN RESPOND HERE. UH, I THINK THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE THINGS HERE IF I MIGHT JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND TRY MY BEST TO RESPOND. SORRY I TRIED TO KEEP IT. NO, NO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO STAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE. WE WILL WORK TO GET THIS CALCULATION INDEX BACK AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF WHAT THE, UH THE, UH, INFLATIONARY FACTOR FOR, UM, UH, OCCUPATIONAL TAX RECEIPTS VERSUS CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OR WHATEVER, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEASURE THAT FOR YOU AND OVERLAY AT NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO THERE. IT WAS BEYOND DOUBT, UH, DEBATE OF ANY KIND THAT THE COST PER RIDE FOR A REGULAR RIDE ON T IS DRAMATICALLY HIGHER NOW THAN IT WAS PRE COVID. SO THAT THERE IS, UH, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT ARITHMETIC, IT'S EASY ARITHMETIC. IT IS, UH, MUCH, MUCH HIGHER HERE. AND SO YOU HAVE THAT QUESTION OF CAN YOU AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR A SERVICE WHEN IT DOUBLES, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IN COST OVER A SUSTAINED PERIOD OF TIME, SO I, I CONCEDE THAT FACT THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE. NUMBER THREE. THE REASON THAT THE, UH OCCUPATIONAL TAX INFORMATION IS IN HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DOMINANT PART OF THE REVENUE AND I JUST WANTED TO LIST ALL THE REVENUE SOURCES TOGETHER. SO AND TO MAKE THE POINT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY IT'S NOT A PROBLEM TO GET MORE REVENUE HERE. YOU'RE JUST NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH AT IT. AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET ADDITIONAL REVENUE HERE. AND EVEN IF WE DOUBLED THE RIDERSHIP IT'S NOT ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURAL OPERATIONAL BUDGET DEFICIT. NUMBER FOUR. THE RIDERSHIP TREND? YES IT THE RIDERSHIP WENT OFF THE CLIFF AS WELL IN COVID. IT IS SLOWLY IT WAS 4 MILLION IN, UH, SOME ODD.
UH UH, INDIVIDUAL RIDES, UH, AT AT ITS WORST. NOW BUMPING UP TO 6 MILLION OTHER CITIES HAVE HAD SIMILAR KINDS OF DECLINES IN RIDERSHIP. SOME CITIES HAVE RECOVERED FASTER THAN US. WE'RE
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IN THE LOWER PART OF THE RECOVERY KIND OF THING HERE. AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARS THIS. WE HAVE TO REDESIGN THE SYSTEM. WHICH IS WHAT T 2025 IS ABOUT. AND IT'S DESIGNED TO TAKE THAT $1.2 MILLION GRANT AND HAVE THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND LOOK AT AT LEAST TWO MAJOR OPTIONS. HOW MUCH REVENUE DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE? AND HOW MUCH REVENUE WOULD IT TAKE TO REALLY DESIGN A BIGGER BETTER, MORE GEOGRAPHICALLY DIVERSE? WHATEVER T. WE NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE, AND THAT'S THE PROCESS OF TARP 2025. EVEN WHEN WE DO THAT AND BRING, UH THE OPTIONS BEFORE STAKEHOLDERS AND DECISION MAKERS LIKE YOU ALL, IT'S STILL REQUIRES US TO GO TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATION AND GET APPROVAL TO CHANGE ROUTES. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT NO POPULATIONS PROTECTED POPULATIONS. UH, RACIAL SOCIO-ECONOMIC, ET CETERA ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT AS WELL. BUT THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO THIS FOR SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. PERSONALLY WE MUST HAVE A NEW TAR AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT NEW TAR IS. AND HOW BIG I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH YET, BUT WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION FROM TOP PROFESSIONALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO ARE GONNA PRESENT OPTIONS TO US TO DO THIS. AM I BEING RESPONSIVE TO YOUR YOUR QUESTION? I. I THINK I THINK YOU'RE SUPPORTING WHAT I WAS PROPOSING. YEAH UH, WE CLEARLY NEED A REDESIGN OF FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. THANK YOU. IN THE QUEUE. MADAM YOU ARE IN THE QUEUE. I'VE GOT A LIST GIVEN TO ME BY THE CLERKS. YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE DULY PROCESSED ORDER. COUNCILMAN RE YOU ARE NEXT IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AND I THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE, UM SURE IT'S NOT ALL THAT PLEASANT FOR YOU, AND I REALLY FEEL BAD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE. UH, IN THE IN THE, UM CHAMBERS. UM TO THE POINT OF THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX. ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX YOU HAVE ADVOCATING FOR A AN OVERALL INCREASE IN THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX? I'M NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE PERSONALLY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD FOR EITHER I JUST WANT TO MAKE TWO OPTIONS OR TWO OBSERVATIONS HERE, AND THAT IS TO GET MORE REVENUE TO T, UH, FROM OCCUPATIONAL TAXES. YOU CAN DO ONE OR TWO OR BOTH THINGS HERE. TO CHANGE THE RATE. TO A HIGHER RATE OR THE ALLOCATION SO THAT MORE MONEY MORE THE PERCENTAGE MONEY GOES TO TARP, WHICH MEANS LESS TO LOCAL METRO GOVERNMENT, OR, UH, LESS TO JCPS OR BOTH. THAT'S THE ONLY TWO WAYS TO DO IT. BUT THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO DO IT. ONE WOULD REQUIRE TO CHANGE. THE RATE REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE TO DO THAT THE ALLOCATION WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION AS I UNDERSTAND IT, OK, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT LOUISVILLE THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE IS ONE HAS ONE OF THE OCCUPATIONAL TAXES IN THE COUNTRY. AND UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I HAVE PRETTY MUCH RAILED AGAINST THAT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ONE REASON WHY A BUSINESSES REALLY DON'T WANT TO COME HERE. YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THAT. UM SO I COULD NOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, UH, EVER BECAUSE YOU SAID IT ACCURATELY. YOU SAID THAT IT'S A MATTER OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE TO DECIDE. BUT I COULDN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE EVER. UH, ADVOCATE FOR THAT. WHAT I WANT TO SEE HAPPEN IS EVENTUALLY THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX GO AWAY AND THE TAX NEUTRAL WAY WITH WITH THE STATE TAX REFORM, SO THAT BE THAT AS IT MAY, UM I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UH AND I GUESS THIS IS MORE A LITTLE BIT OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION. UM, REALLY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, UM ESSENTIALLY INSOLVENCY TO ME, MEANS BANKRUPTCY. SO WE'RE THE BANKRUPTCY COURT, SO I COULDN'T IMAGINE IN A MILLION YEARS. HOW UH, ANY COMPANY TRYING TO MERGE, OF COURSE WITH BANKRUPTCY LAWS, YOU CAN YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO EMERGE FROM BANKRUPTCY BEFORE THIS COUNCIL SEES ANYTHING WE NEED TO SEE. YOU KNOW, OPERATIONAL PLAN. WE NEED TO SEE A BUSINESS PLAN. UM HOW ARE YOU GONNA OPERATE WITHOUT SUBSIDIES EVERY YEAR, SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HECK OF A SPOT AND TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS SAID A MINUTE AGO. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE HOW HOW WE COULD BE BLINDSIDED LIKE THIS. I READ THAT LETTER THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS JUST INCREDULOUS. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. AFTER EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH TA OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. HERE'S A LETTER SAYING, UH OH CITY IS YOU'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO YOUR BUDGET PERIOD WHEN EVERYBODY IS ASKING FOR MONEY. AND WE'RE STRETCHED THIN AS IT[01:30:02]
IS. OH, BY THE WAY, IF WE DON'T GET $14 MILLION GOOD PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOBS. IT JUST IT. IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND. SO I'M NOT GONNA BEAT YOU UP. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO COME HERE IN FRONT OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. ASKING ASKING, UH, FOR THE MONEY, AND WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING THEM QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF, UM WHAT? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SUGGEST VERY STRONGLY THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROACTIVE AND COME TO EVERYBODY WITH A PLAN BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT POINT, SO I WILL YIELD TO THAT. BUT I'M JUST I'M STUNNED. I REALLY AM. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHEN PURVIS YOU'RE NEXT TO MY CUE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UH, MR MILL. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU MY SENTIMENTS. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BEING IN THE POSITION THAT YOU ARE IN, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT TALK ALLEGEDLY HAS BEEN ON THE STREET FOR YEARS ABOUT THE MISMANAGEMENT, THE NEGLECT AND FINANCIAL ABUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF TWERK. YOU HEAR THINGS? YOU YOU TRY TO IGNORE IT AND SAY THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT NOW I SEE UM IN A MY SENTIMENTS AS WELL. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. UH I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN YOU INHERITED A MESS, BUT THIS IS NOT GOOD. YESTERDAY WE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE. UH SOME OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, UM, UNION EMPLOYEES IN WHICH YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE FACT THAT I'M VERY PRO UNION. UH, VERY BLUE COLLAR. YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED. HAD MY FAMILY NOT HAD THE JOBS THAT THEY HAD.HOWEVER. THE EMPLOYEES CAME AND SOME OF THEM HAD AN ATTITUDE WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT TORK HAS PUT THEM IN. I. I NEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT. WE ARE NOT TO BLAME.
AT ALL. AND I. I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL KEEP DOING THE SAME THING. THIS IS PART OF YOU KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER, BUT YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME RESULTS. YOU HAD BAD LEADERSHIP FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. THEN YOU BROUGHT MORE BED SHEET LEADERSHIP ON AND THEN THE TALK THAT I HEAR ABOUT THE OPERATIONS . THIS THE DISPARITIES THAT GO ON INTERNALLY HOW SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE TREATED. MISTREATED. UM OUR HOUSE STYLE ENVIRONMENTS ARE BEING CREATED FROM MANAGEMENT, UM, BEING IMPARTIAL TO SOME EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, II. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT T IS JUST A MESS. AND NOW I'M FACED WITH LOOKING AT THESE PEOPLE. THEY'RE WONDERING IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A JOB. THEY HAVE MORTGAGES. THEY HAVE INSURANCE. THEY HAVE CHILDREN.
AND NOW WE'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH BEING THE BAD PARENT. TO SAY NO. AND THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR. AND SO I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU ALL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE OPERATIONS OF TOR. GET RID OF SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB. THAT DON'T HAVE PROPER OVERSIGHT. GET RID OF THEM. THEIR COSTING YOU AND NOW YOU WANT THEM TO COAST? THE CITY? THE TAXPAYERS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL AND PARISH, RIGHT YOUR NEXT TO THE QUEUE AND YOU HIT THE FLOOR, MADAM. THANK YOU CHAIR AND IT IS HARD ON THE ONLINE SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. UM THANK YOU, MR MILLER FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I UM I APPRECIATE LEARNING MORE ON THE FACTUAL SIDE. I'M ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEONE WHO BRINGS HEARTS AND MINDS IN THE PEOPLE'S VOICE. THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DEPEND ON T RIDE TARK, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR T AND MAINTENANCE AND PEOPLE WHO WORK, UM AS DRIVERS, UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S WRITTEN T, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CITY LOUISVILLE RANK LOW AS BEING A WALKABLE CITY, AND THAT PUTS A GREAT DEAL OF PRESSURE WHEN YOU HAVE LIMITED PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, SO I WOULD ALWAYS VOTE TO SUPPORT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I DO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE NEED A NEW TC AND IT IT MATTERS AS WE GROW. IT MATTERS FOR BUSINESS. BUT A BUSINESS ALSO WON'T COME TO A PLACE WHERE THEIR PUBLIC TRANSIT HAS FAILED. SO WE NEED TO ALSO CONSIDER THAT AND WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER ABOUT EDUCATING OUR COMMUNITIES ABOUT THE VALUE OF AND HOW THEY EVEN PAY OUR SALARIES AND I WOULD FOREGO ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE IN NEED WILL BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO USE T A RT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE BENEFITS OF THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO REDUCE STRESS. UM CONGESTION MANAGEMENT, UM AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAVE MONEY. BUT OUR OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS INDICATIVE OF A CLASS LEVEL TWO PEOPLE ONLY RIDE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO OR MANY ARE FORCED TO MOST PEOPLE.
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THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO RIDE IT BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE IT. I'M SOMEBODY THAT WANNA CHOOSE IT.BUT THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO EVERYTHING I DO WITHOUT DRIVING. IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAVE US ON FUEL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAVE US WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. THERE'S FEWER CARS AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED OTHER CITIES ARE SEEING THE SAME ISSUES, ESPECIALLY POST COVID, BUT AS SOMEBODY THAT RODE TT 12 YEARS AGO AND 15 YEARS AGO AND EIGHT YEARS AGO IT THESE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN THERE. IF YOU TALK TO ANY DRIVERS, IF YOU THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT WERE BROUGHT IN THAT HAD A HISTORY OF ISSUES ACROSS THE NATION WERE STILL BROUGHT IN TO RUN THESE COMPANIES, THE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT BEING DROPPED OFF OR THE VIET, THE EQUIPMENT BREAKING DOWN, SO I THINK THAT THIS PROBLEM HAS COMPOUNDED FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'M SAD TO HEAR THAT FOLKS ON OUR COUNCIL MORE THAN FOUR YEARS FEEL BLINDSIDED.
I THINK THIS ISSUE WITH T THE INTERNAL ISSUES THAT WERE THAT WERE MADE PUBLIC WITH THE LAWSUITS AND EVERYTHING WERE ONE THING, BUT THE CONDITIONS OF BUSES AND THE CONDITIONS OF WHAT PEOPLE DEAL WITH TO RIDE OUR BUSES. BUSES HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR A VERY LONG TIME. MY QUESTION IS I'M INTERESTED IN WHERE HAS THE UNION BEEN IN THIS CONVERSATION? AND YESTERDAY LIKE MY COLLEAGUE, UM UM, COUNCILWOMAN, PURVIS SAID , OR SOMEONE SAID THAT THEY WERE MENTIONING $14 MILLION WITHIN.
UH, THE DEFICIT NUMBER YOU GIVE IS DIFFERENT. CAN YOU TELL ME IS THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 14 MILLION AND THE OTHER THE DEFICIT? DEFICIT THAT YOU MENTIONED AND THEN ALSO, WHERE ARE AS YOU CUT RIDES, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR WORKFORCE ISSUE, AND WE GOT A LOT OF THAT ART FUNDING DUE TO WORKFORCE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE INITIATIVES. SO UM AS RIDES AND STUFF WERE CUT, AND I KNOW YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ALL THE DETAILS, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME? WHAT'S THE SHOESTRING BUDGET IS THE 110 MILLION THE SHOESTRING BUDGET AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 14 MILLION AND THE OTHER DEFICIT THAT WAS MENTIONED. CANCEL ONE PARISH RIGHT IF IT'S UH, OK WITH YOU. UH, MR GIBSON IS GOING TO COVER A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS IN JUST A MINUTE. HERE. I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT THE UNION. UM WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT BECAME CLEAR TO ME WAS THERE WAS A LACK OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN T A RT. UH AND A NUMBER OF KEY GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY.
ONE OF THEM WERE ADVOCATES FOR DISA, UH, DISABLED PEOPLE. AND SO WE SPENT MANY HOURS IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COMPLAINTS CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD ALSO WITH THE UNION THAT THERE WAS NOT A RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION, APPARENTLY TAKING PLACE SO OVER A NUMBER OF MONTHS, UH, WE MET.
UH UH, MYSELF, UH, THE NEW BOARD CHAIR TED SMITH MET WITH, UH UH, UNION PRESIDENT LE AND BRENT AND MATT OR VICE PRESIDENT SEVERAL TIMES. AND THIS IS A MATTER OF RESPECT HERE TO, UH, UNDERSTAND.
THEIR POSITION AND PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, CONTRACT RENEGOTIATIONS COMING UP. SO WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MORE. OBVIOUSLY THE BUDGET THAT THE BOARD APPROVED YESTERDAY IS NOT ONE THAT THE UNION AGREES WITH THAT THE CONVERSATIONS MUST CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE CENTRAL PART OF WHAT T AC, UH WAS IS AND WILL BE, AND SO WE HAVE TO TRY TO FIND AS MANY PLACES THAT WE CAN WORK COLLABORATIVELY AS WE CAN. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY, BUT IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, I'LL LET MR GIBSON ANSWER THE HE HAS A PRESENTATION THAT KIND OF FLOWS INTO THAT. COUNCILWOMAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT? IF NOT, I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT IN THE QUEUE. NO THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. I JUST WANNA, UM, TELL MR MILLER MR GIBSON, THANK YOU, AND IN ANY WAYS ANY OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN BE HELPFUL, I JUST REALLY WANNA DO THAT. THANK YOU. IT WILL BE FOLLOWED SHORTLY HEREAFTER BY ANOTHER PRESENTATION, SO I THINK YOU'RE AT THAT POINT. YOUR QUESTION MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE. OK NEXT IN THE QUEUE IS, UH, COUNCILMAN HUDSON.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. THANK YOU. CHAIR. UM, I, I WONDER. THANK YOU. COUNCIL COUNCILMAN KRAMER FOR HIS COMMENTS AND HIS ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT HE'S NOT A MATH GUY. BUT, UH BUT I AM SO I DID RUN THE NUMBERS. UM SINCE 2001. WHERE THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX REVENUE WAS ABOUT $180 MILLION, NOT JUST FOR TART BUT FOR THE ENTIRE UH, OCCUPATIONAL TAX REVENUE. UM IT HAS INCREASED AT ABOUT 3.1. YEAR OVER YEAR TO 330 MILLION IN 2021. THE INFLATION RATE JUST 2.2% SO WE'RE OUTPACING INFLATION. UM, SO IT'S NOT ACCURATE. OR TRUTHFUL TO CLAIM THAT THE BUDGET HASN'T CHANGED THE BUDGET'S CHANGED. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT ABSOLUTE DOLLARS UM I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT
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THIS IS NOT A FUNDING ISSUE. THIS IS A SPENDING ISSUE. AND UNTIL WE GET THAT SPENDING UNDER CONTROL, THIS WILL NEVER GO AWAY. EVEN EVEN IF WE WERE TO INCREASE REVENUE. IT JUST FEEDS THE MONSTER OF SPENDING. THAT OUTPACES UH, THE FUNDING BROUGHT IN. SO I CHALLENGED HER TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS AS WELL. COUNCIL, PERVIS UM AND FIND ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES. UH I HAVE ONE OTHER POINT THAT OR QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU REFERENCED SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR IN YOUR, UH PRESENTATION THAT FEDERAL FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED TO CAPITAL EXPENSES. ART MONEY IS FEDERAL FUNDS, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IT IS UNDER THE SAME RESTRICTIONS TO BE USED FOR CAPITAL EXPENSES. DO WE YEAH. WITH THE ROYAL WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHO MADE THE DECISION TO MISAPPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS TO OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. UH MR VICE CHAIR. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE COVID RELIEF FUNDS WERE THAT THEY WERE TO BE USED HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE STAYED EMPLOYED. AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO BE USED FOR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. I'M LOOKING AT MY COLLEAGUES HERE AND THEY SAY THAT IS CORRECT. I. I RAISED THIS POINT. UH, WITH OUR GENERAL COUNSEL EARLY ON. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD A LETTER IN MY FILE THAT SAID NO FEDERAL FUNDS WERE BEING USED BY T FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN THOSE ALLOWED SO I BELIEVE THAT THE 140 MILLION IN COVID RELIEF FUNDS THAT THEY WERE ALL PERMITTED TO BE USED FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES. AND SEEING A LOT OF NORTH AND SOUTH. RIGHT.SO, YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM I'M GONNA RESERVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR LATER. THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN BLACKWELL. YOUR NEXT HIT THE FLOOR, SIR. THANKS, SIR. GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM WHY NOT? JUST UH, WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION. UH, SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT UM, THE TAXES NOT BEING RAISED, UH IN YOU KNOW, AND THAT THE CITY IS IN THE SAME SITUATION THAT WE HAVE NOT RAISED. UH, WE WE'VE NOT HAD A PERCENTAGE RAISED. OUR PERCENTAGE IS THE SAME AS 1974 IN THE SAME WAY. THAT TARS IS, UM, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE I BELIEVE WE ALSO ADDED THE, UH, INSURANCE PREMIUM TAX, WHICH IS A, UH, A MAJOR FUNDING SOURCE FOR METRO GLOBAL AS WELL. UM SO I UNDERSTAND THE UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE. UM AND THEN THE OTHER. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S UH I'M CURIOUS ABOUT AND MAYBE OBVIOUSLY HE'S GONNA ADDRESS THIS, BUT WHEN WE HAD THE SITUATION, UM A FEW YEARS BACK.
WHEN UH UAW AND FORD MOTOR COMPANY YOU KNOW, THEY REALIZED THAT, UH, THE, UM THE COMPANY, FRANKLY, WAS IN IN, UM, IN SOME DIFFICULTIES, UH, IN THEIR WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TO CRAFT THEIR, UM THEIR CONTRACT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIP WITH SOLVE THE PROBLEM, SO AND SO I'M CURIOUS. WHEN, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, TALK ABOUT BEING, UH, BLINDSIDED HERE WITH IS WHERE THE EMPLOYEES PLAN HAD IT AS WELL. OR WAS THAT PART OF THE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT WHETHER IT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THEY HAD WITH THE WITH THE EMPLOYEES, UH AND WITH, UH, WITH THE UNION WHEN THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH THE, UH, THE CONTRACT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE TIMING IS IT'S AFTER THE CONTRACT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THEY THAT THAT THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AFTER AFTER THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION SOON WE ALREADY SETTLED. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, I. I KNOW ONE THING, UH, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE UNION LEADERSHIP ABOUT THE PHYSICAL CLIFF FOR MONTHS, UH, EVER SINCE I'VE BECOME, UH, A CHAIR OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, SO THAT WAS NOT A I BELIEVE THE BLINDSIDED TERM THAT BEING USED HERE. ABOUT THE UNION. I THINK THAT'S A QUOTE FROM SOME NEWS ARTICLES YESTERDAY ABOUT THE PROPOSALS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT A PRESS CONFERENCE. BUT THE I WAS PERSONALLY PART OF A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH UNION LEADERSHIP ABOUT THE, UM FISCAL CLIFF APPROACHING. UH, HERE. UH, SO THAT WAS NOT NEW INFORMATION NOW HOW FAR IT WENT BACK BEFORE MY TIME ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, I, I DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT TWO MORE PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE. AND AFTER THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON FOR OUR
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PRESENTATION FROM, UH, MR GIBSON. SO NEXT NIQUE IS COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM. MISS HAWKINS, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU, MADAM. HELLO. WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE SECOND OR THE LAST IN THE QUEUE, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. CAST COUNCILOR HAWKINS. CASTLEMAN REED. YOU BET THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, I. I NOTICED IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND I'M ON THE JUST FULL DISCLOSURE OF PERSONS OF, UH, COMMISSION. PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. UH, UH, COMMISSION SO, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY ENJOY DOING AND I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. AND YOU MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL OF PRIVATIZING, UH TO C THREE. AND CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN TO ME THE RATIONALE? AND THAT AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT, UH, BRINGING IT IN HOUSE WOULD ACTUALLY COST A LOT MORE MONEY RATHER THAN SAVING MONEY, SO I'M KIND OF TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT ONE. COUNCILMAN REED, WE, WE'RE THE BOARD IS NOT ADVOCATING BRINGING TC THREE INSIDE. UH, IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET HERE THERE WAS. AN INITIAL ANALYSIS OF MR GIBSON CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT THAT IT WOULD COST MORE TO BRING IT IN HOUSE THAN TO KEEP IT OUTSIDE.IF WE WERE TO DO THAT IN TOTALITY, SO THIS IS NOT PART OF THE CURRENT PLAN, NOT PART OF THE CURRENT BUDGET TO DO THAT. I READ THAT IT WAS BUT OK, THANK YOU. IT IT IT MAY BE, UM UH, THE A T US POSITION, BUT IT'S NOT THE D A RT BOARDS POSITION. UH TO DO THAT, I UNDERSTAND. OK BECAUSE WE'RE ANALYZED. WE HAVEN'T FULLY HAD THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BOARD. IT'S ABOUT YOU. WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S AN INITIAL ANALYSIS SHOWED IT WOULD COST MORE TO DO THAT. THAN THAN TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS, AND, OF COURSE, GIVEN THE CURRENT FISCAL SITUATION HERE. INCREASING EXPENSES RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY TOUGH TO JUST OK, AND I KNOW THAT THAT CONTRACT IS EXPIRING THIS YEAR. YES, OK, SO ARE YOU HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH GETTING PEOPLE TO BID ON THE CONTRACT? THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ISSUED THE RFP FOR IT YET. WE'RE DISCUSSING A POTENTIAL, UH, ONE YEAR EXTENSION HERE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN SUCH FLUX NOW THAT IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW TO, UH, TO BID THE CONTRACT. UM SO THAT THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER. IS THERE A PROVISION IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO EXTEND IT FOR? IT DOES OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN HAWKINS, ARE YOU ABLE TO GET YOUR SYSTEM BACK UP? YOU STILL CANNOT BE HEARD, MADAM. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO SAY THIS. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR CANDOR TODAY. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND HOW SERIOUSLY YOU TAKE THIS THIS SITUATION AND NOBODY LIKES TO BE IN THE HOT SEAT. BUT UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HANDLE LIKE A GENTLEMAN WITH THESE QUESTIONS, AND SO I SO THANK YOU, MR GIBSON. THANKS. KATHERINE HAWKS.
THE CLERKS ARE SUGGESTING THAT YOU LOG OFF AND LOG BACK IN. THAT MAY BE YOUR ONLY FIX AT THE MOMENT. OZZIE YOU'D BE IDENTIFY FOR YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AND I BELIEVE YOU GOT A PRESENTATION. ALSO YES, SIR. UH OZZIE GIBSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF T, A UM, FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR T HERE. UM I APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR THE PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY. THAT WAS NEEDED A LOT OF POWER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND WE GOT TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, AND WE GOT TO GET OUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. BUT THERE WAS SOME STUFF THAT CAME OUT IN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE THAT MY EMPLOYEES WERE NOT AWARE OF, AND THEY DID NOT HEAR AND I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED. THEY DID NOT HEAR THAT FROM ME, AND THAT WAS OFFERS OF JOBS AND LAYOFFS. SO I APOLOGIZE TO THEM PUBLICLY THAT THEY DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM ME.
BUT I WAS A GREAT PRESS CONFERENCE. BUT THERE WAS QUESTIONS ASKED AND THINGS THAT CAME OUT AND, UM, I THEM APOLOGY AND I DID SEND ALL OF THEM A LETTER WHEN I COME OVER HERE TODAY, SO I DO APOLOGIZE. SO WITH THAT, UM THIS FIRST SLIDE. WE'RE GONNA SKIP IT BECAUSE HONESTLY, STEVE DID A GREAT JOB, SO I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THIS IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM. UM WE HAVE SENT PEOPLE TO WASHINGTON DC TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE FEDERAL MONEY WHERE THAT'S GOING , THERE'S A BILL THAT IS STALLED THERE THAT WOULD HELP ALL TRANSPORTATION. I HAVE BEEN TO THE STATE. TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UM WHAT CAN THEY DO? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I UNCOVERED WAS 20% OF OUR ROUTES ARE IN INDIANA AND 80% IN JEFFERSON COUNTY AND ON AVERAGE, UM INDIANA ACTUALLY USES A FORMULA. IN ITS MOUTHS AND PASSENGERS, AND THEY GIVE US
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$1.2 MILLION. AND THE STATE GIVES US ANYWHERE FROM 300,000 TO 1.5 BY B ANNUALLY. OK SO I USED A CONSULTANT TO TELL ME IF WE COULD ADOPT SOME FORMULA IN KENTUCKY. WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD TARGET EVERY YEAR? AND IT WAS $7 MILLION. OK SO I TALKED TO SOME OF OUR STATE LEGISLATORS, AND THEY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF FORMULA BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL.THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. SO UM, THEY HAVE CHALLENGED ME TO GO TALK TO JIM GRAY AND SEE WHAT WHAT KENTUCKY CAN DO TO HELP THE OTHER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATIONS. SO YOU SEE, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. SO THIS HERE FLIP BACK TO THE NEXT ONE. SO I'M NOT GONNA HARP ON THIS. I'M I KEEP WHEN I TOOK OVER. I HAD SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE MAYOR TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE AND FIND OUT WHAT IS JUST FINANCIAL CLIFF. AND WHEN IS IT GONNA HIT AND WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE GONNA DO? OK, SO THE FIRST I KEYED IN. THERE WAS T AC 64 MILLION. ALL RIGHT, SKIP THIS NEXT GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE. UM THIS. SO WHAT I DID IS IF YOU ADD UP THE LABOR INFRINGES. YOU.
YOU YOU. YOU HAVE 62 MILLION THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT CAUGHT MY EYES LIKE, OH, MY GOODNESS. WHEN YOU LABOR IS RIGHT WHERE YOU GUARANTEED REVENUE THAT COMES IN. WE GOT A WE GOT A PROBLEM. SO BACK UP A COUPLE IF YOU DON'T MIND SO WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT WHEN WE'VE TALKED ENOUGH ABOUT IT, SO WORKING WITH THIS TEAM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET OUT OF THIS? KNOWING IT'S A $30 MILLION. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. OK OUR BUDGET WE PRODUCED TO THE BOARD WAS A THE FIRST OF ONE. IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A GOING TO SATURDAY. PLUS WHICH WE HOPE WILL NEAR US A $14 MILLION SAVINGS OVER TWO OR THREE YEARS BECAUSE IT HAS TO COME OFF THE BOOKS. SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT WHAT THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHT IS, IF YOU DO NOTHING THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED TO ME, YOU YOU WILL SEE WHERE YOUR MTFF FUND WILL LIE AT. AND YOU WILL SEE WHERE IT GOES BELOW 20 MILLION FOR THE FY 27 BUDGET. THAT'S A PROBLEM IF WE DON'T DO NOTHING SO IN TO SHORTEN UP. WHY YOU SEE THIS CHART RIGHT HERE. IT WAS PUT TOGETHER TO BUY THIS COMMUNITY TIME. TO FIGURE OUT HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU SOLVE THIS? THIS YOU SCARED? NOW AS STEVE MENTIONED THE POSITIVE PART. IT'S NOT A POSITIVE, BUT THIS NETWORK REDESIGN IS GONNA GIVE US EXACTLY WHAT SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR. IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU IT IS A VERY IN DEPTH SEARCH . UH, PROCESS. THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO ALL OF YOU. THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT HOW LOUISVILLE HAS GROWN AND SHIFTED AND WHAT WE NEED. AND WE WILL GET HANDED ONE PLAN THAT BASICALLY SAYS IF THIS IS ALL THE MONEY YOU HAVE, THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULD BE GOING AND HOW OFTEN YOU SHOULD BE GOING. I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED OF IS 110 ON THE HIGH END OR IS 110 ON A LOW END. 110 IS ON THE HIGH END. YOU KNOW WHAT SERVICE YOU YOU GET RIGHT NOW AND WHAT ROUTES YOU HAVE. AND OUR APPROXIMATE BUDGETS, 110, AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE 30 SHORT DOESN'T TAKE YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO THE MATH RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE A YOU'RE A 70 $80 MILLION. WITHOUT AN SOME TYPE OF MONEY COMING IN.
THEN THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE PLAN OF HEY, IF YOU WANT THE BEST FOR LOUISVILLE, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. SO WE DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE. YOU WILL. UM WE'RE GONNA GET A DRAFT IN NOVEMBER. IT'S ALL BAD TIMING. YES. WHEN I GOT THERE, I'M LIKE MAN. HOW WILL WE SPEED THIS UP? AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO COME OUT UNTIL JUNE, I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME. I NEED. I NEED A DRAFT THIS YEAR TO SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE AND START TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING WHAT THEY'RE FINDING. SO THEY AGREED TO UP UP THEIR TIMETABLE. SO NO, MICHAEL IS CURRENTLY I'M NEW TO THAT WITH THE NEW ALL RIGHT. WE'LL KEEP ON GOING SO HOW DO HOW DO WE GET HERE? SO THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB HONESTLY, OF KIND OF KEEPING THIS THING GOING. BECAUSE THE GRANTS ARE DIFFERENT THERE THAN ANY PLACE I'VE EVER SEEN ME DON'T NEED TO WAIT. OK, WE GOT SOME, UH WE'VE BEEN HACKED. MR GANT. JUST BY CHANCE. IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON. WE NEED A NEW SYSTEM. AT LEAST
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WE CAN HEAR YOU, MA'AM.I THINK WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO. ALL RIGHT. I'LL KEEP TALKING SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT IN YOUR HANDS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION. UM BUT AS YOU CAN SEE BY JUST GOING TO SATURDAY, PLUS, THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. OK THAT JUST BUYS US A LITTLE MORE TIME. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IN THE FY 28 BUDGET IF WE JUST STAYED ON THE SATURDAY, PLUS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM AGAIN. IN WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE STEPS WAY PRIOR. ON THE COURT TO SEE IT. OK BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT COSTS AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF THAT STILL IS TIED TO YOU FOR A COUPLE COUPLE OF YEARS, SO YOU GO TO SATURDAY? PLUS, IT GETS YOU THAT POINT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER TOUGH DECISION THIS TIME NEXT YEAR AGAIN. YOU KNOW, BUT HOPEFULLY, IF WE HAVE A PLAN IN FRONT OF US, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WHICH WAY TO GO. OR THEY WANT THIS PLAN OR YOU WANT THAT PLAN, SO I DON'T CALL THAT THE ULTIMATE STRATEGIC PLAN BY NO MEANS, BUT THAT'S THE BEST THING RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN OFFER UP IN AND SO CAN THEY HAVE EARED SOME OPTIONS? AND IF YOU DO THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEN IS THE SATURDAY PLUS WON'T WORK. THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH CUTS. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO THEN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER YOU REDESIGN THE ROUTE AT THE LOWER RATE. OR WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO IF YOU WANT THE NEW, IMPROVED T A. AND IF YOU DO THAT, SAY, CUT, YOU'LL SEE WHERE YOU CONTINUE THE MASS TRANSIT FUNDS. YOU'LL STILL DIP INTO IT AND IT WILL GO DOWN. BUT IT WILL GET YOU OUT TO THE FY. I 30 BUDGET BEFORE YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER DECISION. AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS. AND UH, THIS IS MY 11TH AGENCY. I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 34 YEARS AND, UM, THIS IS THE TOUGHEST BUDGET I'VE EVER HAD TO BRING OVER HERE. I DO NOT LIKE TO THINK THAT THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME AND EVERYBODY THAT THEY HAVE MORTGAGES AND WHETHER IT'S BLINDSIDED OR NOT, UM, I. I THINK THAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. IS THAT THEY'VE LIMPED ALONG ON A ON A ON A PRAYER. ON FEDERAL MONEY COMING IN AND FEDERAL MONEY HERE FOR THE WE GOT, AND THEN THE COVID AND WE ARE FINALLY WE'RE WE'RE IN A POINT NOW WHERE THERE IS NO MORE OF THAT FUNDING. THERE ARE NO MORE GRANTS. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEIR GRANTS ARE DIFFERENT. IT WAS NEW TO ME BECAUSE YOU CAN APPLY FOR A CAPITAL GRANT. BUT THERE'S FINE PRINT THAT IF YOU NEED IT FOR OPERATING, YOU CAN DO IT. IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD TO DO THAT. AND THEY THEY'VE STAGGERED ALONG, BUT UM, WE ARE HERE NOW. UM, I'VE REALLY I THINK I SHOULD JUST OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. STEVE DID A GREAT JOB AND WE WE'LL GO FORWARD AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT SATURDAY. PLUS WHAT THAT MEANS. AND UM IF YOU ANYBODY HERE HAS SUGGESTIONS, WE ARE ALL EARS NOT TO HAVE TO DO WHAT WE GOTTA DO. I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN C, MR CHAIR. I THINK AT THE MOMENT I'VE GOT HAWKINS, REED PURVIS. AND THEN WE'LL BE HERE. Y'ALL HEARD ME. OK COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. YOU WERE FIRST IN THE QUEUE AND YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM. THANK YOU, OZZIE. I WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UM OR, UM, FOR BASICALLY, UM, BEING VERY TRANSPARENT.
YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN TRANSFERRED EVEN WHEN I, UM HAVE BEEN VERY PUSHY ABOUT PARTS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAME BACK AND WAS LIKE, LOOK, THIS THING GONNA WORK, SO, UM YOUR WORD TO ME REALLY SPEAKS VOLUME AND FOR YOU TO SAY THAT, UM YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING. UM I WANNA GO BACK ON WHAT STEVE MENTIONED. HE SAID THAT THEY HAD BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE UNION MEMBERS. UM I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE UNION MEMBERS AREN'T THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR, UM FOR THE BUDGET. THE UNION MEMBERS AREN'T THE ONES THAT, UM, GOTTA COME THROUGH AND SAVE THE DAY. UH, SO WHEN YOU HAVE I'M NOT SAYING DON'T HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WELL, BEFORE NOW, UM AND, UM, COUNCILOR BLACK BOY. I WANNA GO BACK TO YOU WHEN YOU SAID THAT, UM, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU
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WAS A QUESTIONING, BLINDSIDED, UM, THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE, UM, ON ONE OF THE NEWS CONFERENCES FROM ONE OF THE T EMPLOYEES, UH, IN LEADERSHIP THAT STATED THAT THEY DIDN'T APPRECIATE BEING BLINDSIDED. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. UM AND, UM JUST NEEDED TO COUNTERACT WITH THAT, BECAUSE WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE WHAT IT MADE T EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEES, UM WHAT IT MADE THEM FEEL LIKE HE IS THE OH, IT'S OUR FAULT. UM NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. UH, WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS JUST COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. UH, FOR OUR KIDS , UMAND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT SOLUTION. UM I DID RECOMMEND BECAUSE HERE'S MY THING, UM, ANYONE IN BUSINESS? ANYONE THAT'S NOT IN BUSINESS SHOULD KNOW THAT A RP FUNDING IS ONE TIME FUNDING. SO, UM NO. ONE HE'S GONNA MAKE ME THINK THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW EVENTUALLY THAT THIS WAS GONNA COME TO A HEAD.YOU KNOW THIS WAS GONNA COME TO A HEAD. UM BUT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, I'M NOT A NUMBERS PERSON, UM YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT HEY, I JUST WORK HERE. I COME TO WORK EVERY DAY. I DO MY JOB, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE AIN'T GONNA HAVE JOBS, WELL, THE PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP THEY KNEW THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK NOBODY THAT SITS ON METRO COUNCIL WANTS TO, UH DEFINE TAR OR, UM, HAVE EMPLOYEES LOSE THEIR JOBS. I WANNA MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS AND HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT WORK HARD. BUT YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO CALL A SPADE A SPADE WHAT IT IS. IT WAS YOUR LEADERSHIP THAT FAILED YOU. IT WASN'T METRO COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD SAY THAT YOU KNOW THE OPTION FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS WAS TO SAVE JOBS. NOT ON, YOU KNOW. HAVE ANYBODY IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE? UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF WE CAN'T COME THROUGH AND FUND THIS, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA SUFFER IS, UH, THOSE PEOPLE WHAT YOU KNOW THEN THEN WHERE YOU GO, AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE THIS WAS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT JUSTIN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THE OPTION WAS ONLY PUT ON THE TABLE, SO NO ONE WOULD LOSE. UM NO ONE WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A OPTION. HEY I AIN'T LOSING MY JOB. AT LEAST I CAN GO OVER HERE AND WORK, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEN BLAME T. YOU KNOW, TO HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS, UM FOR ME. AND WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT SHOWED NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO ME. DON'T PUT THAT ON METRO COUNCIL. UM AND THEN I WANNA SAY THAT, UM, SEE I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. I'LL SEE I THE WHAT DO YOU, UH, FEEL? UH BECAUSE WE CAN DO THE BLAME GAME ALL DAY. BUT OZZIE, UH YOU'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW YOU'RE BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. WHAT CAN WE DO TO FIX THIS? UH, YOU KNOW, I'M A STRAIGHT UP PERSON. UM, CAN IT NOT BE FIXED? UH YOU GOTTA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. UM IF PEOPLE GONNA LOSE THEIR JOBS, NO MATTER WHAT, LET'S SAY THAT JEFFERSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS WASN'T EVEN ON THE TABLE. NOT EVEN A SOLUTION. IT'S ARE PEOPLE GONNA STILL LOSE THEIR JOBS. THAT'S WHAT I YES, MA'AM. UNDER SATURDAY. PLUS, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THAT THAT WILL MEAN. ALL RIGHT. SO NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA LOSE JOBS, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU. NEXT THE KEY IS COUNCILMAN REED. COUNCILMAN REED. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AND JUST IF YOU WOULD, OZZIE AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, BY THE WAY, UH, THE $14 MILLION DOES THAT BUY US SERVICE LEVELS, EMPLOYMENT LEVELS? EVERYTHING AS IS EVERYTHING IS STATUS QUO. WHAT WHAT HAPPENS? UH, WITH THE $14 MILLION ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT, UH, ROUTES BEING CUT THE STAFF BEING REDUCED? THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS SATURDAY. PLUS WE'LL LEAVE ALL ROUTES EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. WHAT? YOU WHAT? YOU WON'T SEE THE FREQUENCY COMING THROUGH THE STOPS. THAT'S WHAT IS THAT'S WHAT CHANGES OK, SO AND THIS THIS FIRST GO AROUND DOES NOT AFFECT PAIR TRANSIT. WE TRY. WE TRY TO FIND THE LEAST INTRUSIVE WAY. TO DO THE LEAST DAMAGE. UM AS FAR AS THE RIDERSHIP FOR THIS FIRST TIME. OK BUT THE SECOND TIME WHEN YOU DO A ROUTE THAT NETWORK REDESIGN IF FUNDING IS NOT AFFECTED, THEN THAT WILL AFFECT EVERYTHING AND IT WILL AFFECT T THREE. OK SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND COUNCILMAN PI ARGENTINA EVER JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS A MINUTE
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AGO. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT DOES IT STAGGERED FROM FROM, YOU KNOW, 1 MILLION TO 14 MILLION. WHAT DOES 1 MILLION BUY US? WHAT DOES 2 MILLION BUY US? WHAT DOES 3 MILLION BUY US SO THAT YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE COUNCIL HAS SOME OPTIONS. UM YOU KNOW, I. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEGOTIATING YOU YOU, YOU STAKE YOUR HIGHEST POSITION, AND YOU KIND OF MOVE BACKWARD, BUT, UM, THAT WHEN YOU GUYS COME IN HERE FOR BUDGET WELL, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE TOTALLY FLESHED OUT BEFORE THAT, BUT, UM WE DID? YEAH IF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT APPROACH YOU WANT TO TAKE, IF YOU TAKE THE APPROACH OF THE ROUTES THAT HAVE THE LEAST RIDERS ON THEM ONE OF THE THINGS STEVE TALKED ABOUT THEY'RE ALL WEST OF NINTH STREET. BUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT DO RIDE THAT THEY NEED IT. SO WE TRUST ME. WE THE REASON YOU ALL HAVE NOT GOTTEN SOMETHING SOONER AND II I CAN SECOND GUESS MYSELF ALL DAY LONG. YOU KNOW, I ALREADY DID I. I WISH I'D HAVE SENT A LETTER OUT TO MY PEOPLE MUCH SOONER. UH, I WISH NOW, I WOULD HAVE GOT WITH YOU ALL IN FEBRUARY AND SAID WE GOT A PROBLEM. WE ALL NEED TO GET IN A ROOM. WHAT UM, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK GETTING EVERYBODY IN A ROOM WE SHOULD HAVE DONE DONE THAT. THAT'S ALL ME. SHOULD HAVE GOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM SO WHY ARE WE LATE? BECAUSE WE'VE RUN THE GAUNTLET, LOOKING AT EVERY WHICH NUMBER POSSIBLE AND GONE BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH OF WHAT IS OUR BEST OPTIONS AND THERE IS NO GOOD OPTIONS. IT'S WHAT WAS WE ALL AGREED IN IN THE BOARD AGREED THAT WHAT IS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE? TO GET INTO THIS AND, UM ARE QUOTE IS TO CONTINUED BY TIME. YOU KNOW IF THIS BILL IN WASHINGTON EVER COMES IT WILL HELP. BUT AS MANY OF YOU SAID, IT'S NOT. YOU CAN'T KEEP LIVING ON FEDERAL DOLLARS. WE HAVE TO WRITE SIZE THE SHIP AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO. I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND JUST SO THAT THE VIEWING PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS ALSO $14 MILLION. IF WE DID THAT, YOU KNOW WHICH CITY SERVICES ARE YOU GOING TO CUT? SIR 100% A LOT OF A LOT OF VALUABLE AND VALID CITY SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED WITH $14 MILLION IN A TIGHT BUDGET, SO AND YOU TURN RIGHT AROUND, DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE WE NEED YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THIS SAME SERVICE WE HAVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 30 EVERY YEAR. THIS IS NOT A ONE TIME INFUSION TO FIX IT. THIS IS A MONSTER PROBLEM. AND AS I THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID IT.WHAT HAPPENED IN 2017? WE KNOW FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE. WE KNOW WHAT PAIN THAT WAS AND WHAT WE LOST, SO IT IS A PREDICAMENT AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR COMING. COUNCILMAN PURVIS YOUR NEXT IN A CU AND YOU HAVE BEFORE MET HIM. THANK YOU, SIR. MR GIBSON, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND. UM, YOUR ASK OF THE STATE. I WAS THIS DID YOU APPEAL TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT? I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE YET. I WENT DOWN, UM WITH A WITH A LOBBYIST TO DISCUSS TALK TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS I COULD TO IN AND YOU KNOW, MY GOAL WAS TO ASK THEM. FOR A FORMULA. AND TO PLEASE PUT THAT ON THERE AND EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE OF HOW IT WORKS IN INDIANA AND HOW IT WORKS HERE BECAUSE IT'S WE CAN'T WE CAN'T SURVIVE AND BE THE GREAT T WITHOUT SOME HELP, OR WE LIVE WITH WHAT WE GOT, AND, YOU KNOW IT'S HARD TO PLAN A BUDGET WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE STATE AND WHETHER IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OR NOT, THAT THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I ONLY HAD ONE THING TO GO ON. AND THAT WAS THE SIMPLE MATH OF WHAT HOW INDIANA GIVES US. OUR BUDGET. SO WE ARE GETTING FUNDING FROM INDIANA AS WELL. OK SO WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A BILL THAT'S BEEN STALLED, UH, IN DC, THERE IS II. I CAN'T NAME IT, BUT IT IS, BUT IT IS STALLED AND NOBODY HAS SIGNED ON TO IT. AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER. YOU KNOW, MONEY'S COMING TO ALL TRANSPORTATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY. BECAUSE IS EVERYBODY'S DEALING WITH THIS, YOU KNOW. SO THIS BILL HAS NOT BEEN HEARD YET. HAS NOT COME TO NO LEGS.
WE'VE SENT PEOPLE UP THERE TWICE AND IT'S KIND OF SIDELINED. OK? WELL, THIS IS REALLY SCARY. UM I'M I'M I'M NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE INSULTING THAN I ALREADY HAVE BEEN. SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL NEXT TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY I PIERCE RIGHT.
YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM MR GIBSON. THANK YOU. AND I FIRST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOU APOLOGIZING TO I CAN'T SEE THE AUDIENCE, UM FROM MY PHONE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE YOUR STAFF BECAUSE A PRESS CONFERENCE IS NOT A WAY TO FIND OUT ABOUT THOSE THINGS. SO I'M GLAD I'M GLAD THAT YOU OWNED UP TO THAT AND UNION'S JOBS ARE TO ADVOCATE
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FOR THEIR WORKERS, SO THE UNIONS ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. AND I'M HOPING THAT LIKE YOU SAID THESE CONVERSATIONS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED SOON SOONER. ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO COME IN AND YOU HAVE TO PLAY MR OR MRS FIX IT IN THE MIDDLE OF RUNNING SOMETHING AT THE SAME TIME, SO I UNDERSTAND THE GRACE AROUND THAT. THERE'S CONCERN.THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE 14 MILLION BECAUSE I CANNOT SEE THAT I HAVE IT IN MY DOCUMENTS.
BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THOSE WITH ME IN EXPLAINING THE SATURDAY, UH, PROGRAM. PART OF THAT MY CONCERN IS TRYING TO KEEP TRANSPORTATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO KEEP THEIR JOBS. UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I. I HEAR MY COLLEAGUES SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE FIRED ANYWAY. AND THAT 14 MILLION MEANS OTHER SERVICES, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE OUR OWN BUDGET. THAT WE SUBMIT. WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THE BUDGET THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, BUT WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH WHAT THE MAYOR'S BUDGET IS AND ANY CITY THAT IS TRYING TO THRIVE AND GROW AND BUILD THIS WORKFORCE AND SUPPORT ITS BUSINESS COMMUNITY. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HAS TO BE A PART OF ANY TOURISM. SO IF WE GIVE TO A DOWNTOWN TOURISM $100 MILLION AND WE CAN'T GIVE T 14 MILLION OR OUR MAYOR GETS 600 MILLION FROM THE STATE, BUT THERE'S A PROBLEM IF WE TRY TO HELP T AND GIVE THEM 14 MILLION. THAT'S A PROBLEM TO ME, AND I'M NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S MONEY THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT TO MOVE AROUND TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A VERY IMPORTANT NEED AND THE LAST THING WITH THE PAIR OF TRANSIT THE COMPANY IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S BEEN RUNNING IT FOR. YOU'RE CONSIDERING EXTENDING THEIR CONTRACT. I CAN UNDERSTAND IT'S CHEAPER TO KEEP THEM, BUT THEY HAVE A BAD RECORD IN IT. WE HAVE SENIORS. WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO'VE BEEN COMPLAINING AND BEING LEFT AND HAVING ISSUES FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT I WANNA HEAR THE NUMBERS AROUND WHAT IT REALLY COST TO BRING PART THREE BACK INTO THE REGULAR T BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE OUTSOURCING, IT HAS NOT HELPED, AND IT STILL COST IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ARE GOING TO SUE. IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL UNDER ABUSE. THAT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT BRINGING T THREE IN RIGHT NOW DOESN'T SEEM FEASIBLE WITH TRYING TO KEEP THE HEAD OF THE ABOVE WATER, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCES ON HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE, AND SO WE CAN GET MORE OF A BREAKDOWN. NOW AGAIN. THAT COULD BE IN THE PAPERWORK YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED. BUT I, I I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE THAT. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PAIR OF TRANSIT TOO, AS WELL AS THE, UM THE OF ROUTES AND THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS HAVE THEY HAVE THEY HAPPENED? HAS ANY OTHER I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN EQUITY. PEACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS.
RIGHT NO, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP AFTER YOU ALL APPROVE OUR BUDGET WITH RESPECT TO YOU ALL.
UM YOU ARE DEAD, RIGHT? WE ARE WORKING ON NUMBERS TO BRING IT IN HOUSE. UM THERE'S A LOT OF RED TAPE AROUND THAT WITH THE FEDS AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU BRING IT IN HOUSE, YOU LOSE A LOT OF MONEY. BECAUSE YOU GOTTA TAKE IT ON. SO IT'S VERY TRICKY. UM WE ARE IN A GRAY AREA OF WORRYING ABOUT BIDDING IT OUT VERSUS WHAT AS STEVEN SAYS WE'RE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE IN FEBRUARY, AND THEIR CONTRACT IS ACTUALLY UP. I BELIEVE DECEMBER 1 IN JANUARY 1ST. AND WE ARE WORRIED OF WHO'S GOING TO BID ON SOMETHING KNOWING WHAT THEY KNOW, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO BE FORTHCOMING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SO UM THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THAT IS. IT'S YOU CAN'T ALIGN ALL THESE STARS TO CREATE THIS MONSTER. UH YOU COULDN'T YOU CAN'T DREAM IT UP. SO I HEAR YOU AND WE WILL GET YOU A NUMBER. GUESS ONE PERISH, RIGHT? DO DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU, MISTER GIBSON FOR TRYING TO ANSWER THAT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. MINNI. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM UH, FIRST OF ALL, GLAD TO HELP WITH THE STATE. I'VE ALWAYS OFFERED TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. UH WHEN IT COMES TO AT LEAST THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, NOW THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE MAYORS AND THE GOVERNORS BAILIWICK, BUT, UH, I'M GLAD TO AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN GLAD TO PARTNER WITH THE MAYOR AND, UM, WORK WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO SEE IF THERE'S UH, OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE LOUISVILLE AND IF IT'S AN EQUATION FOR T RIDERSHIP, RIGHT, LET'S LET'S EXPLORE THAT AND USE INDIANA AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THIS BUDGET CYCLE IS OVER. BUT GOING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET, AND THE EARLIER WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT, THE MORE LIKELY WE ARE TO GET THAT SUCCESSFUL, SO WE'LL PARTNER ON THAT. UM I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING, THOUGH. HERE'S SORT OF AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. I THINK I HAVE I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT AND I'M AND I'M DEAD SERIOUS ABOUT IT. STRUCTURAL SUSTAINABILITY IS CRITICAL. OTHERWISE WE'RE KIDDING OURSELVES. BECAUSE REALLY, WHAT
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HAPPENS HERE, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, UH, AS IT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS, THESE EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING SCREWED AND THE PUBLIC IS GETTING SCREWED RIGHT. BUT BY HISTORIC MISMANAGEMENT, NOT BY YOU, NOT BY THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM THAT ARE TRYING TO FIX THINGS, BUT BY HISTORIC MISMANAGEMENT, SO BUT EVEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE BAR CHART YOU HAVE ON SLIDE FOUR.WHAT I'M SEEING IS EVEN IN YOUR BEST SCENARIO. WHICH IS YOUR SATURDAY PLUS AND T 2025. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT SATURDAY PLUS IS WELL DEFINED IN HERE. YOU YOU'VE CHANGED CERTAIN ROUTES TO WEEKEND SERVICE. YOU PRESERVE CERTAIN ROUTES THAT THAT HAVE HIGHEST, UH, RIDERSHIP AND THEN YOU PRESERVE TAR THREE, RIGHT? THAT AND THEN WHAT YOU CALL ANTAR 2025 IS UNDEFINED. IT'S A PROCESS THAT YOU'LL GO THROUGH AND THEN DO THE STRUCTURAL REDESIGN. WHAT I THINK I'M SEEING HERE IS EVEN IF YOU DO BOTH. IT'S NOT FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE BY FISCAL YEAR, 32 AM I READING THIS INCORRECTLY? YOU ARE READING IT CORRECT IF THERE'S NO NEW MONEY FOUND, THAT IS YOU. YOU SEE WHERE WE STILL END UP. SO THERE'S LITERALLY AT THIS POINT. SHORT OF FINDING NEW REVENUE. AND I AND I AND MY NEW REVENUE. I DON'T MEAN BECAUSE I, I CAN TELL YOU THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX. IT'S NOT MOVING RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, THE TRADE OFF RELATED TO TAX RATES IS YOU YOU? YOU'RE TRADING ONE FOR THE OTHER, RIGHT ? YOU'RE MAKING THE CITY LESS AFFORDABLE TO LIVE IN BY RAISING RATES IN ORDER TO MOVE MONEY FROM LEFT SEAT TO RIGHT SEAT. WELL, SOMEBODY'S GETTING SCREWED AND GETTING PRICED OUT, RIGHT? UM, IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME. GETTING THE STATE TO CHIP IN.
FEDERAL ACTION. UM YOU KNOW AGAIN, OTHER LOOKING AT OTHER MECHANISMS OF, UH, THAT THAT'S NOT A ZERO SUM GAME THAT'S GROWING THE PIE. SO BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T FIND THOSE EVEN IN YOUR MOST IN EVEN YOUR MOST AGGRESSIVE SCENARIO. IN WE? WE'RE NOT EVEN BY IN 10 YEARS. NO OK AND THEN. THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM UH, AND I FORGET I BUT OK, OH, YEAH. TALK 2025.
HOW DID YOU MAKE AN ESTIMATE ON HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT IF WE HAVEN'T FINISHED DEFINING IT YET? WELL I KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I THINK WE'RE WE KNOW WE'RE THE LOWEST WOULD BE THAT IF YOU CHOOSE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT HERE IN THIS, WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM WHAT WE PROJECT.
OUR REVENUE IS WITH THESE WITH THESE CUTS. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 80 MILLION, SO THEY'LL TAKE THAT AND THEY'LL SAY, LOOK, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY TO SPEND, THIS IS WHAT IT BUYS YOU AND THEN, BASED ON ALL THEIR STUDIES, THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE ROUTES ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RUN THE NUMBERS OF IF WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE WHAT WE BRING IN REVENUE JUST FOR RIDERSHIP AND EX AND, UH, ENTITIES THAT BUY STUFF FROM US. IT'S ABOUT $6 MILLION. OK, SO IF YOU DOUBLE THAT, AND CHARGED EVERYBODY YOU. YOU'RE NOWHERE CLOSE TO 30 MILLION AND SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT UH, SO A MONTH SLIDE SIX. WHICH IS REVENUE. UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, ALEX, CAN YOU FLIP TO THE ONE WITH THE COVID FUNDS IN IT? YES SO SCIENCE SIX. YOU GET 71 MILLION IN, UM COLLECTIONS AND INTEREST. THIS IS 2025. YEAH, THIS IS OUR THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT TO YOU ALL OK? GOT YOU. SO YOU HAVE 71 MILLION THERE. WHAT WAS YOUR OPERATING BUDGET THIS YEAR? UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN ABOUT 100 AND 10. 110 OK, WHAT? I PUT THIS CHART IN HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BIG ORANGE THERE, RIGHT? THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING AWAY. RIGHT? 2020 MILLION IS GOING AWAY. I. I GUESS MY THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO THAT'S ALL YOU'RE LOSING. NOTHING ELSE IN THIS PIE FROM A REVENUE POINT OF VIEW IS GOING AWAY. IF YOU CUT A FEW LINES, YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT THE FAIR BOX IS GOING TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S 6% OF YOUR TOTAL. EVEN IF IT GOES DOWN BY 15% YOU'RE TALKING 1% REDUCTION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT HUGE.
SO HOW MANY I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS. YOU'RE TELLING ME EVEN WITH ALL OF THESE CUTS THE SATURDAY PLUS THIS SATURDAY, PLUS PLUS. HOW MANY ROUTES ARE YOU TALKING
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ABOUT? CUTTING ON SATURDAY. PLUS WE'RE NOT REALLY CUTTING ANY ROUTES. WE ARE CUTTING THE FREQUENCY WE COME THROUGH, AND THAT VARIES. THERE'S ACTUALLY A CHART IN HERE THAT SHOWS YOU EVERY. UM, IT'S YEAH, I SEE. IT'S LIKE A IT'S A SPREADSHEET. YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE ROUTE NUMBER AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT WE USED TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING TO. SO YOU'RE LOSING IT. IT'S NOT QUITE 20% IT'S LET'S CALL IT 15 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND 18% OF YOUR BUDGET. AND THERE'S NO SCENARIO THAT WE CAN CUT 15 TO 18% OF COST. WE HAVE NOT COME UP WITH THAT. NONE NO, BECAUSE I GO BACK TO THAT ONE CHART. I SHOWED YOU WHERE WHAT? WHAT? OUR FRINGES AND ALL THAT IS BECAUSE THERE AGAIN WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE . WE HAVE NO MORE GRANTS ON THE HORIZON THAT WE CAN USE AT ALL. YOU. LOOK I'M LOOKING AT YOUR TOTAL YOUR YOUR EXPENSES, RIGHT? YOU HAVE WHAT IT SAYS, IS 60. IF NOT EVEN 60. IT'S LIKE 50 SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS IS LABOR. AND HEALTH, WELFARE PENSION, SO EVERYTHING THAT IS LABOR, RIGHT? PURCHASE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT'S T TH 23 MILLION.OK, SO 50, YOU'RE AT 70 SOMETHING MILLION SERVICES MATERIALS FOR PAID LEAVE, SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN LABOR. UM I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING WITH THESE CUTS IN RIDERSHIP OR THE CUTS IN, UH, FREQUENCY. IT DOES MEAN LAYOFFS, DOES IT NOT? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE WORKFORCE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE? HOW MANY ARE BEING WOULDN'T BE LAID OFF UNDER THAT SCENARIO? WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE THERE'S A LOT OF MATH BEHIND CALL INS AND ALL THAT. AND BUT IT PROBABLY IS GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BUT COULD BE 60 AS HIGH AS 80. POSITIONS. YES, SIR. OUT OF HOW MANY? OUT OF. I THINK THERE'S 300 SOME ODD DRIVERS FROM GETTING AT THAT THAT 20% REDUCTION IN LABOR. LABOR IS BY FAR YOUR BIGGEST COST. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. I MEAN, IT'S A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF COST. AND YET YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T MAKE UP 15% COST REDUCTION ON A 20% REDUCTION IN LABOR. IT'S JUST NOT MATHING FOR ME HERE. OK SO I MEAN THERE. WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THERE'S SIGNIFICANT OVERHEAD THAT WE'RE ALSO NOT.
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS NOT LIKE WE'RE MAINTAINING THE SAME OVERHEAD WHILE WE'RE CUTTING FIXED COST VERSUS MARGINAL COST. WE'RE KEEPING A LOT OF FIXED COST. ALL THIS MARGINAL COST, AND UNFORTUNATELY , I'M REFERRING TO LABOR'S MARGINAL COST AS YOU ADD ONE AND YOU ADD COST TO REDUCE ONE YOU REDUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF COST SO IT. IT'S I'M I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH HOW WE STILL DON'T GET CLOSER TO FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY THAN WHAT WE'RE CLAIMING HERE, BUT IT'S UM AND THEN LAST QUESTION, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE THAT HERE. WE'LL SOLVE IT IN THE FUTURE. IT'S IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY. EVEN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS, UM, SATURDAY. PLUS UH WHICH GOD SORRY. WHAT IS IT CALLED SATURDAY, PLUS 25 OR, UH, YEAH. SATURDAY PLUS AND T 2025 SATURDAY, PLUS WHICH WE'LL CALL IT THE MOST AGGRESSIVE SCENARIO. YOU'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING THAT. WITH IMPACT ON EMPLOYEES UNTIL WHEN THE IMPACT GOING TO SATURDAY. PLUS IS JANUARY 1 OF 2025. THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED SEVEN MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS. AND IS IT WHEN YOU SAY IMPLEMENTED? DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY OR HAVE YOU PROJECTED OUT TURN OVER AND OTHER THINGS THAT COULD REDUCE THE IMPACT TO THAT DEFINITELY WILL FACTOR IN ATTRITION. I'M YEAH. I'M TRYING TO GIVE SOME VISIBILITY INTO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE BEING CLEAR ALL OF US ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AS FAR AS TIMELINES ARE OK, THANK YOU. UH AND AGAIN, I. I WANNA THANK YOU AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS WORKED ON THIS, UH, BECAUSE FINALLY, WE'RE GETTING SOME TRUTH AND SOME ANSWERS AND SOME FACT WHICH I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY SNOWBALLED FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, EVEN THOUGH I MEAN TO COMPLIMENT CHAIRMAN ACKERSON. HE'S HAD TALK UP HERE MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT. AND WE STILL HAVE NOT HAD THESE KIND OF LEVEL OF THIS CONVERSATIONS AND TRUTH, SO THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I THINK , YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO MINIMIZE OVERHEAD TO MINIMIZE OR REDUCE OVERHEAD TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON MARGINAL COST, PARTICULARLY LABOR. LET'S EXPLORE THAT. THANK YOU. KMAN KRAMER YOU SECOND TO LAST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM I THINK FIRST OUR AGAIN I MY FIRST TWO COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE SO MUCH OF WHAT OTHERS HAVE ALREADY SAID, BUT OUR HEART GOES OUT TO YOUR YOUR EMPLOYEES. UM IT. THIS IS THIS IS IT'S ONE THING FOR US
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TO SIT IN A MEETING AND HAVE HONEST CONVERSATION. UM DIFFICULT. HONEST CONVERSATION.BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CONVERSATIONS CAN HAVE ONE LEVEL OF IMPACT ON ME AND A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEVEL OF IMPACT ON THEM. AND SO, UM, I THINK NO MATTER HOW WE PROCEED FORWARD, UM I THINK THAT HAS TO BE A PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE FOLKS WHO YOU KNOW? GIVEN OVER A GOOD CHUNK OF THEIR LIFETIMES IN IN SERVICE TO T, AND IT'S THIS IS THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIRS, UM, THAT WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION. THAT SAID REALITIES ARE WHAT THEY ARE, AND WHEN YOU DROP IN RIDERSHIP AS MUCH AS WE DROPPED IN RIDERSHIP.
IT'S HARD TO IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK AND SO AND THAT'S WHERE MY HEART IS, UM AND THEN THE SECOND THING I'D SAY IS AGAIN, OZZIE. I DON'T WANNA SAY TOO MUCH, BECAUSE, UM, TONS OF RESPECT FOR YOU AND I DON'T WANNA SPELL YOUR HEAD SO BIG THAT IT ACTUALLY EXPLODES IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. BUT UM, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE FACT THAT WHAT DID YOU SAY? THIS IS YOUR 11TH AGENCY AND COUNCILMAN ARISON COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAT FOR MOST OF THOSE AGENCIES WHEN YOU WOUND UP THERE IT WAS BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED SOMEBODY WHO HAD A CALM DEMEANOR. UM, AND HE WAS WILLING TO DO THE HARD WORK AND SO COMPLIMENTS TO YOU. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE. UM NOW FROM A SIMPLE QUESTION, UH, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT ABOUT 20% OF OUR ROUTES ARE IN INDIANA ? YES SIR. AND 1% OF OUR REVENUE. IS FROM INDIANA. YES THEY COULD DO BETTER, TOO. BUT WHEN I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT? WHEN WE CUT ROUTES. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR OF T WHEN THEY CUT ROUTES TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PARTS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE THAT WAS THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION TO WORK. UM AND WE CUT THOSE ROUTES IN ORDER TO SAVE REVENUE. UM I GET THAT YOU'RE GETTING ONE POINT SOMETHING MILLION FROM INDIANA. BUT IF 20% OF OUR ROUTES ARE THERE, AND $1 MILLION IS COMING FROM THERE IT SIMPLE, QUICK MATH SAYS. WE'RE SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY ON THEIR SIDE OF THE RIVER THAN WE'RE GETTING BACK IN REVENUE. SO I'M I'M WONDERING, HAVE WE AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT. IS IT BECAUSE IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE FOLKS ON OUR SIDE OF THE RIVER THAT WE'RE TAKING OVER THERE? I MEAN, IS IT I. I JUST I'M STRUGGLING. NO, I THINK YOU'RE DEAD ON I CAN HAVE TANYA ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE I I'M I BELIEVE IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT PROBABLY IS MORE MONEY COMING IN CAPITAL WISE, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE SHE CAN PROBABLY EXPLAIN THAT ONE WAY BETTER THAN ME. I DON'T KNOW THAT TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT BUT III I GOT YOU. YEAH WE AGREED. NO I, I THINK YOU KNOW, WE'VE AGREED I WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND GET YOU BACK IN WRITING OF HOW THAT WORKS, AND WHY THAT IS. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A CONVERSATION FOR THE WORK GROUP THAT'S COMING. ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU. YES, SIR. CASPER HUDSON. YOU ARE OUR LAST PERSON IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, MR GIBSON. THANK YOU. COMING. MR MILLER. THANK YOU FOR COMING. UM UNLESS THERE'S A GOOD REASON I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD WHO IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE ON MINE. THEY SHOWED UP. YOU SHOWED UP. HE HE DIDN'T SHOW UP. IF YOU COULD. FORWARD MY DISAPPOINTMENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. YES HE HE HE HAD A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR. HE DID SEND A TEXT HE WAS TRYING TO GET HERE. HE HE HE HE DID SEND A TEXT. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. YES, SIR. I NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT. UH, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD AS E PUBLIC HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE FACING. AND NONE OF US ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TASK TO COME. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED.
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