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YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE . I'M COUNCILWOMAN MADONNA FLOOD 
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CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M JOINED BY MY VICE CHAIR COUNCILMAN SCOTT REED BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN ANDREW OWEN. COUNCILMAN ROBIN EAGLE COUNCILMAN KHALIL BEAN. 
          WE'RE ALSO JOINED VIRTUALLY BY COUNCILWOMAN CINDY FOWLER COUNCILWOMAN THAT BETSY RUY COUNCILMAN DAN SIM, WHO ALL HAVE LEGISLATION IN THE COMMITTEE, AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE A VOTE ON THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION. MOVING TO ITEM. UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE AGENDA THAT'S THE FLOYD'S FORK ORDINANCE. IT WILL BE HELD. SO IT WILL NOT BE CALLED TODAY. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF 
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 O-067-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 609 OUTER LOOP CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 1.16 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 21ZONE0094).
Action Required By:  June 7, 2024
**Council Member Dan Seum, Jr (R-13) can vote on this zoning change**
Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 609 OUTER LOOP CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 1.16 ACRES AND BEING THE LOCAL METRO CASE NUMBER 21 ZONE 0094. I PROBABLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS ON. CAN YOU HEAR? JUST MAKE SURE NOT LIT UP. OH, THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. JOE HABERMAN OFFICE OF PLANNING 444 SOUTH FIFTH STREET. UM, THIS FIRST ITEM IS 21 ZONE 0094 FOR ASH AUTO SALES. SO THIS IS IN DISTRICT 13. IT HAS AN EXISTING C ONE COMMERCIAL ZONING WITH SOME SURROUNDING ZONING OF DIFFERENT INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL HERE IS ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT, AND IT'S IN THE SUBURBAN WORKPLACE FORM SHOULD ADD THAT SO THIS IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C ONE TO C TWO. THERE WERE SOME ATTACHED WAIVERS, INCLUDING A WAIVER TO PERMIT OUTDOOR STORAGE TO BE LOCATED CLOSER TO 50 FT. FROM A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AND OR USED PROPERTY, AND THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER WAIVER TO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA TO OVERLAP WITH AN EASEMENT BY MORE THAN 50. AND WITH THAT THERE IS ALSO A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH SOME BINDING ELEMENTS. SO RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY GRAVELED. IT'S PROPOSED AUTO SALES, OFFICE SERVICE, GARAGE AND STORAGE BUILDING, WITH SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE LOCATED BEHIND A STRUCTURES. UM, IT'S SUBJECT TO SOME ENFORCEMENT WITH THE SITE REINSPECTED, MOST RECENTLY ON FEBRUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, THERE WERE SOME INOPERABLE VEHICLES AND HEAVY TRUCKS WERE FOUND PARKED BEHIND A PRIVACY FENCE. AND, UM WE VISITED AGAIN ON FEBRUARY 28, AND APPARENTLY, THEY HAD CLEANED UP SOME OF THE VIOLATION, BUT IT WAS STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE. SO HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE PLAN THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE REZONING. 
          AND HERE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE HEAVY TRUCKS AND STORAGE NOTED IN THE ENFORCEMENT CASE. HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF ADJACENT PROPERTY, INCLUDING AN LG AND E TRANSMISSION LINE TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOME RESIDENTIAL ACROSS TOLL LANE. FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS ON OCTOBER 5TH OF 2021. THE LD AND T MEETING WAS ON FEBRUARY 8TH OF 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING WAS ON MARCH 7TH OF 2024 WITH A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C ONE TO C TWO WITH THE VOTE OF SEVEN. 
          TO ZERO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SORRY. I CAN'T SEE THE PEOPLE. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T. SOMETIMES THEY THE TRAYS ARE HANGING. UM, THIS IS IN COUNCILMAN DS DISTRICT COUNCILMAN SIMMS. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS US WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? YES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT BE ATTACHED TO THIS CASE. OK WELL, UM TRAVIS IS LOOKING UP THAT INFORMATION. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION SINCE THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE THERE. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF FENCING GOING ON? IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? FENCING ISN'T NOTED ON THE PLAN THAT I SEE. BUT UH LB A IS SHOWN AROUND IT, WHICH SOMETIMES INCLUDES THAT FENCE, AND I'M SO THERE'S SOME KIND OF SCREENING AROUND THE STORAGE AREA. BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT THE BINDING ELEMENTS UH DID, UM TALK ABOUT, UH, I GUESS LIKE TREES FOR AS A BUFFER BUT ALSO SAYS THAT NO OPERABLE VEHICLE SHALL BE STORED ON THE SITE. I THINK THAT'S FINDING ELEMENT NUMBER EIGHT, SO THAT GIVES A LEVEL THAT IT'S NOT 
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GONNA BE USED FOR WRECKED CARS TO BE STORED. OUT IN THE OPEN. I HAD TRAVIS. HER ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, THIS WOULD BE FINDING ELEMENT NUMBER 12 ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THE PRO STRUCTURES INCREASE IN BUILDING HEIGHT, NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY IN THE PROPERTY ANY CHANGES IN USE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR SUBCOMMITTEE'S TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS OTHER THAN I, THE ADDITION OF NEW BINDING ELEMENTS TO I CHANGED THE MINING ELEMENTS THAT REALLY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE OR THREE. I UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINE. BY METRO COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT AMENDMENT. LIKE PROPERTY MOVED IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT SIGNIFIED BY SAYING I THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SUN HERRINGTON, THE MOTION CARRIES, UM WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE? MRS COUNCILMAN SIMON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, SIR? NO, THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. CHERYL, I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE THEN. COUNCIL MEMBERS SIGN GAVE A THUMBS UP. THANK YOU. I, UH SHE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. UH, LOGGING IN SO YES. WITHOUT OBJECTION. VOTING IS CLOSING. THERE ARE SIX YES VOTES, AND THIS WILL GO TO O BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MAYBE NINE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 11801 EAST ORRELL ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 31.297 ACRES AND BEING A LITTLE METRO CASE NUMBER 23 ZONE, 0144. SECOND PROPER MOVE THE SECOND WE'RE READY FOR 
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 O-068-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 11801 EAST ORELL ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 31.297 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 23ZONE0144).
Action Required By:  June 25, 2024
**Council Member Cindi Fowler (D-14) can vote on this zoning change**
Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
DISCUSSION. HELLO AGAIN. JOE HABERMAN OFFICE OF PLANNING. UM, SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT 14. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FORM AND SURROUNDED BY SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR, LARGELY A VACANT SITE. AGAINST THE ZONING WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE R FOUR ZONING WITH SOME ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND OTHER INTENSITIES OF RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. UM, SKIP ONE, SO THEY'RE REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM OUR FOUR SINGLE FAMILY TO OUR FIVE SINGLE FAMILY AND R FIVE A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE WAS A VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED HEIGHT THAT WAS CONSIDERED WITH THE REZONING THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE IS A MAJOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH FINDING ELEMENTS. THE PARCEL IS PARTIALLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE. CURRENTLY WITH SOME ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. THEY'RE PROPOSED 11 LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY 11 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON 2.9 ACRES WITH 312 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON 28.5 ACRES. TRAVIS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA CHIME IN WITH THE POTENTIAL CHANGE NOW OR WHEN I'M FINISHED. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE IS THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE WHERE THE R FIVE A IS AND THE R FIVE TO THE SOUTH. HERE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY. 
          IT'S THREE STORIES. UM HERE IS SOME OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. MM. AND HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS. THERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITH RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH ACROSS FLOWER VALE. AND SOME UNDEVELOPED ACROSS FLOWER BALE TO THE EAST, WHICH KIND OF BENDS AROUND IT. UM, HERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE DAIRY QUEEN AND SOME MORE UNDEVELOPED LOTS ACROSS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS ON SEPTEMBER 9TH OF 2023. THE LDNT MEETING WAS ON JANUARY 25TH OF 2024. THE HEARING WAS ON MARCH 25TH OF 2024 WITH RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FIVE AND R FIVE. A PASS BY VOTE OF 7 TO 0. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE YET SO THIS IS IN COUNCIL MOVE FOWLER'S DISTRICT DID YOU WANNA DID YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF SOME KIND OF, UH, BINDING ELEMENT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, TRAVIS. UM I I'LL WAIT FOR COUNCIL WOMAN FOWLEY TO SAY HER PIECE. OK, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL WOMAN, FOWLER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM SO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN, UM, VERY CONTENTIOUS. UM I'VE I'VE HAD, 
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UH OVER 70. UH, CONSTITUENTS AND OTHERS THAT WEREN'T CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT TO ME CONCERNING, UM MANY THINGS TRAFFIC BEING ONE. THE SCHOOLS LACK OF, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SERVICES OUT IN OUR END OF TOWN. UM AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T EVEN GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET BREAD MOST DAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT. IT'S NOT THERE. UM BUT THE ONE THING THAT WAS, UM A BIG CONCERN WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WAS REALLY NO CHOICE, UM FOR, UH, RENTERS, UM, MIDDLE HOUSING. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GI GIVING AN OPTION BESIDES APARTMENTS, UM AND LOOK, THE DEVELOPER WAS VERY GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME HE MET OVER FOUR TIMES, UM, WITH THE, UM THE NEIGHBORS ARE TRYING TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT. UM AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. UNFORTUNATELY BEFORE THE, UM UM, MEETING, UM COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. UH BUT, UM SINCE THEN, UM I MET WITH THE DEVELOPER YESTERDAY AND WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON, UM TOWN HOMES WHICH MADE ME VERY , VERY HAPPY. IT MAKES ME HAPPY FOR MY CONSTITUENTS. AND UM THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S A LOST OPPORTUNITY. IF WE DON'T DO IT, I THINK IT CAN BE A MODEL FOR THE CITY. AND UM, I I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, UM YOU KNOW THE TOWN UM, BUILT BEHIND THE HOMES, THE HOUSING UM THE HO AND THEN YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE HOMES FOR PURCHASE. THEN THE TOWN HOMES IN AND THEN, UH, THE APARTMENTS, UM, FROM TH THE ROAD GOING BACK. UM BUT THAT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I STILL WILL HAVE TO BE A NO VOTE BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD FROM SO MANY OF MY CONSTITUENTS THAT THIS IS NOT, UM, SUITABLE FOR THEIR AREA, AND, UM UM, BUT I, I DO GIVE KUDOS TO THE DEVELOPER FOR TRYING TO WORK WITH THE, UM WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM II. I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. BUT WITH THAT, I'LL LET UM UH, TRAVIS GAVE THE DETAILS. AND WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN REO WEBER. GO AHEAD, TRAVIS. THANK YOU. UM SO THERE ARE THREE. THERE'S A THERE'S A DOCUMENT ON THE SYSTEM, WITH SOME PROPOSED BINDING ELEMENTS, UM, AS WELL AS A PROPOSED REVISED PLAN. UM I THIS WAS WHERE I MAYBE WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR ME TO JUMP IN DURING JOE'S PRESENTATION, BUT THERE'S THAT PROPOSED ROAD B THAT OCCURS, UH, HORIZONTALLY BEHIND THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE PROPOSED, AND SO JUST NORTH OF THAT ON THE ON THE PROPOSED ARISE PLAN, UH, WOULD BE, UH, 10. TOWN HOME UNITS FIVE. UNITS PER BUILDING TWO BUILDINGS, 21, ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. UM AND SO THAT WOULD OCCUR EFFECTIVELY BE A TRANSITION, RIGHT? UM, YOU HAVE THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES , THEN FLOWER BE LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE NEW 11 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. THAN ROAD B, THEN THE TOWN HOMES AND THEN BEHIND THOSE, UH, THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. UM AND SO THE BINDING ELEMENT AMENDMENTS ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE THINGS. UH, THE FIRST ONE AN AMENDMENT TO BINDING ELEMENT. 1717 WAS PUT INTO PLACE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING . THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHEN WOULD BE BUILT AND, UH OR WHAT WOULD BE BUILT AND WHEN, UM AND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PHRASED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. UH TIMING BUILDING PERMITS, UM TO CERTAIN LEVELS, AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE MULTIPLE PHASES. AND SO MANY HAVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NEED TO BE BUILT BEFORE THE APARTMENTS WERE BACK AND FORTH. 
          UM BUT WE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER AND WE'VE HEARD FROM MANY DEVELOPERS ON CASES THAT TRYING TO DIVIDE UP BUILDING PERMITS LIKE THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEY SAVE A GREAT DEAL OF COST BY HAVING EVERYTHING BUILT AT ONCE, RIGHT. THE FOLKS ARE ON THE EMPLOYEES ARE ON SITE. THE MACHINERY IS ON SITE AND SO REQUIRING THAT TO BE BROKEN UP INTO PHASES CAN BE EXPENSIVE, TIME CONSUMING AND ESPECIALLY WITH A PROJECT WITH SOME FORMAL AFFORDABILITY LIKE THIS COULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR MEETING SOME TIMELINES. UM SO THAT HAS BEEN REVISED. TO FIT. 
          THEIR SCHEDULE A BIT, UH, NOW TIES MORE TO CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY RATHER THAN BUILDING PERMITS. UM WE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY OF CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. BUT HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT NOW IS EFFECTIVELY IF THEY CHOOSE TO OCCUPY THESE UNITS PRIOR TO WHEN THEY WERE PERMITTED TO, UH, THAT'S A BINDING ELEMENT VIOLATION AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE NECESSARY ENFORCEMENT ACTION TO RECTIFY THAT, UM, SO THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE. UM I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT EXEMPTS THE TOWN HOME SPECIFICALLY FROM THAT PHASING, AND SO IF THEY WANT TO BUILD THOSE DAY ONE GREAT, UM IF THEY WANT TO BUILD THEM AT THE END, GREAT, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE TIED UP 
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IN THE CALCULATIONS TOO MUCH. UM, THEY THEY'RE SORT OF A NEW LAST MINUTE PROPOSAL. SO WE WANT SOME FREEDOM ON THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE TOWN HALLS WILL BE PROPOSED. I DON'T KNOW THE DEVELOPER DOES AT THIS POINT, BUT IT MAY BE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY. IT MAY BE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY IT MAY BE IN BETWEEN, UM, BUT THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THAT FRONT. THE SECOND BINDING DEALS WITH THE CREATION OF THE NEW PLAN. UM IT MATCHES SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE USED IN PREVIOUS CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD REQUIRED PLAN REVISIONS AT THIS PHASE. UM AND SO THIS REVISED PLAN THAT IS ON THE SYSTEM WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED. UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMITS. UM WE BELIEVE IT CONFORMS WITH THE STANDARDS TO NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT BE STAFF REVIEWABLE. ASSUMING THAT IT IS NOT, UM CHANGED IN ANY WAY BETWEEN NOW AND SUBMISSION THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANY WAIVERS OR VARIANCES. ALSO CLARIFIES THAT THIS SPECIFIC NEW PLAN ISN'T GOING TO TRIGGER THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT. THAT'S ALSO BEING ADDED AS NEW BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER 21, BUT THAT LANGUAGE COULD GET MESSY. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS COME BACK ANOTHER TIME FOR A PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF THIS BODY. SO UH, THOSE ARE THE THREE MAJOR CHANGES CHANGES TO THE TIMING OF THINGS REQUIRING THIS NEW PLAN THAT INCLUDES TOWN HOMES. UM AND THEN THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT. I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING ELSE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM OTHERWISE, THAT IS THE PROPOSAL. 
          SO TRAVIS, IS THERE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE YOU READ INTO THE RECORD FOR THAT? SO THE AMENDMENTS ACTUALLY ON THE SYSTEM? UM, I THINK MY SUMMARY IS PROBABLY ADEQUATE, SO THOSE A RE BINDING ELEMENTS. AN AMENDMENT TO BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER 17 AND THE NEW BINDING ELEMENTS NUMBER 2021 OK? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS BEFORE WE GO FURTHER? ON THE AMENDMENT SECTION. I WAS BEFORE. THAT'S OK. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON BEFORE WE DISCUSS THEM? I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CHANGE SOMETHING. SO, UM, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL AH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE ON THE SYSTEM AND DISCUSSED BY TRAVIS SO ASKING FOR A MOTION. EXACTLY. SO MOVED OK? PROPERTY SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF THOSE AMENDMENTS SIGNIFIED BY SAYING, II I THAT WAS A POSED BY LIKE SIGN. HEARING, THEN THE MOTION PASSES. 
          OK, THEN I'M UH, COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. UM NUMBER ONE I. I KNOW THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ON DIXIE HIGHWAY, BUT THIS PROPERTY FRONTS ON A MAIN, UH, TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IN THE AD HOC LAND USE COMMITTEE AND HERE IN METRO GOVERNMENT KIND OF MORE BROADLY, IS HOW WE THINK THAT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN BUILD MORE UNITS AND SHOULD BUILD MORE UNITS IS TO INCREASE DENSITY AND POTENTIALLY HEIGHT ALONG OUR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. OUR MAIN CORRIDORS. UM AND WE DISCUSSED ALL THE REASONS WHY WE THINK THAT IS BENEFICIAL. AND SO I WANTED TO JUST POINT THAT OUT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT FITS INTO THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE DENSITY PUSHED UP AGAINST OUR MAIN TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN A SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WE'VE HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT THAT WE ARE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. AND UM, I THINK THAT CAN BE THE CASE , BOTH WITHIN ONE LARGE, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS HERE AND THEN ALSO WITHIN KIND OF UM SITE DEVELOPMENTS. YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU OFFER DIFFERENT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND I AGREE WITH WITH COUNCIL WOMAN, FOWLER THAT THIS I THINK SHOULD BE A MODEL AND I WANT PEOPLE TO HEAR US HERE ON COUNCIL LOUD, LOUD AND CLEAR. WE ARE ASKING THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES WITHIN A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT, POTENTIALLY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO DO THAT HERE. I THINK IT CAN BE A MODEL AND I WANT PEOPLE TO HEAR US SAY THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT GOING FORWARD. NOT TO SAY AND NOT WELL, LET ME FOLLOW THAT UP VERY CLEARLY BY SAYING I AM NOT ANTI APARTMENT. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE AROUND THE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING . WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE APARTMENTS BUILT AROUND THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THAT'S A REAL MISTAKE. SO BY SAYING THAT WE WANT MORE HOUSING TYPES. IT IT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE ANTI APARTMENT, BUT WE ARE 
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ASKING THE DEVELOPERS, UH, THAT ARE COMING INTO LOUISVILLE AND THAT ARE BASED HERE IN LOUISVILLE TO PROVIDE AS MANY DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS AS POSSIBLE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU DEVELOP HERE. DEVELOPER HERE HAS DONE THAT. AND UH I WILL BE A STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN OWEN. ALSO WE WERE JOINED, UH, DURING THE MALL DISCUSSION BY COUNCILMAN CHAPPELL AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER BAKER COUNCIL MEMBER BE SEAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OK. UM I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO TRAVIS HERE FOR A MOMENT. 
          TRAVIS CAN YOU ALLUDE? UM THE NUMBERS AGAIN? HOW MANY TOWN HOME UNITS? HOW MANY HOUSE UNITS AND HOW MANY APARTMENT DOORS BUT YES, SO THERE ARE 11 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. THERE ARE 10 NEW, UH, TOWN HOME UNITS AS BEING PROPOSED. BY THE BINNING ELEMENT AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UM, APARTMENT UNITS IS 312. OK, THANK YOU, UM MY NEXT QUESTION IS WILL THERE BE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOLLARS FROM THE CITY TOWARDS THIS PROJECT? I'M NOT SURE IF CITY MONEY IS INVOLVED OR NOT, UM A I DON'T THEY COMMITTED AT THIS POINT. FROM THE CITY. IS THAT, LIKE, JUST SHOWS THAT A FIRM NO. OR IS THAT SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK IN RETRO ACTIVELY APPLY FOR I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'LL PURSUE WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM, UM BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING BEING SET ASIDE OR ANY APPLICATIONS HAVING BEEN FILED. THE REVISED PLAN HAS THAT BEEN UM, PUT FORTH TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK OVER. OR GIVE THEIR OPINION. HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE REVISED PLAN? AND UM, A NEIGHBOR, ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OF WHAT? OF SOME SORT, RIGHT. SO A REVISED PLAN? UM THE RISE PLAN IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME PLAN THAT WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLUS THE 10 UNITS ON THE 21 PARKING SPACES. THAT'S THE ONLY REAL CHANGE. YOU LOSE SOME OPEN SPACE BECAUSE ANY TIME YOU ADD BUILDINGS YOU'RE GONNA THEY NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE. UM SO THAT'S THE ONLY REAL CHANGE. UM IT IS NOT INDIVIDUALLY PROPOSED FOR, UM, A NEW HEARING. IT IS LESS THAN A 10% INCREASE OF UNITS ON SITE AND GENERALLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STAFF APPROVABLE. UM AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY THE GOAL IS SORT OF LET THIS PROJECT GET UNDERWAY. UM, IT'S NOT A MASSIVE SHIFT IN DESIGN OR IMPACT. UM IT IS. I MEAN, THERE'S WHAT 300 SOME ODD UNITS, AND THIS IS 10. SO IT'S LIKE LESS THAN 3% OF AN INCREASE. I THINK, UM OK, SO JUST, UM FOR THE RECORD. I YOU KNOW, AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND AS A CONSTITUENT IN THE SOUTH AND JEFFERSON COUNTY. UH, THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT YOU HEAR? IS WE DON'T HAVE SHOPS. WE DON'T HAVE STORES. WE DON'T HAVE RESTAURANTS. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES THAT OTHER PARTS OF TOWN HAVE. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA AND IT'S IT BASES OFF OF UM THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS OR DENSITY YOU HAVE IN COMMUNITIES AND AS MUCH AS I THINK THAT WE WANT AND NEED ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO ALLUDE TO. COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER'S. YOU ARE A GROCERY STORE, AND THERE'S NOT BREAD AT TIMES IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFLUX OF UM GROCERS AND OR OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM, SO PEOPLE ARE ARE NARROWED DOWN TO ONE. YOU KNOW, BUT WITH THAT SAID, ORIGINALLY THIS WAS GONNA BE HELD, UM AND WITH THIS NEW REVISED PLAN AS WELL AS THIS GOING TO BE A CONTENTIOUS, VERY HIGHLY DEBATED ISSUE AND COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER'S DISTRICT. 
          UM AS IT LITERALLY VERGES ON MY DISTRICT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE JUST SO I CAN DO SOME DIGGING AND SOME RESEARCH AND HAVE A BETTER CONCISE ANSWER OF WHERE I WANT TO GO. MOVING FORWARD. SO CAN I MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE? WE HAVE, UM SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS QUESTIONS SOMEONE VIRTUALLY IF YOU CAN LET PEOPLE GET SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE GO THAT ROUTE, COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER. THANK YOU. UH AND I APOLOGIZE. I'VE HAD SOME INTERNET CONNECTIVITY ISSUES. UH, I MEAN, I JUST REALLY WANNA ECHO COUNCILMAN OWEN HERE LIKE THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT WE ASK OF DEVELOPERS. THEY? THEY HAVE LISTENED. THEY'VE MADE CHANGES. 
          THE TOWN HOME COMPONENT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED. AND MUST. THERE IS SOME SORT OF BURNING ISSUE THAT YOU KNOW, WAS SOMEHOW NOT ADDRESSED IN THE UNANIMOUS PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE FOR THE RESPONSES THAT CAME AFTERWARDS. I REALLY THINK THE PRECEDENT THAT WE SET WHEN WE CONTINUE TO DRAG THESE THINGS ALONG, KNOWING THAT TIME IS MONEY. IS ANTI 
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BUSINESS. AND HAVING REALLY BEEN , YOU KNOW, I. I AM VERY MUCH PRO COMMUNITY VOICE. WHAT IS CLEAR TO ME IN THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT THE COMMUNITY'S VOICE WAS HEARD. NO ONE'S GONNA GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT OUT OF DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE MASSIVE HOUSING SHORTAGE THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY. BUT THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT'S GONNA GET AND I. I REALLY DO THINK IT'S GONNA BE A MODEL FOR WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITIES, SO I'M GONNA HIGHLY OPPOSE US CONTINUING TO COST ENTREPRENEURS MONEY. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN SO RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THIS IS A MODEL FOR EXACTLY ALL THE KINDS OF HOUSING AND VARIETY OF OPTIONS THAT WE WANT IN EVERY PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROCESS HERE, SO THAT'S IT. I WILL BE A YES VOTE AND I WILL POSE DELAYING THIS. COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER UH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF ECHO THE SENTIMENT AS WELL AS UH, COUNCILMAN UH, RENA WEBER AND OWEN. THEY TOOK A LOT OF MY POINTS, BUT SAME THING. WE TALK ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT HOUSING THAT MAS THE NEED OF OUR COMMUNITY. I MEAN, THE REALITY IS WE ARE SHORT. WE ARE FACING A CRISIS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY AND COLLECTIVELY AND , YOU KNOW, I STRONGLY OPPOSE DELAYING THIS AS WELL. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING. YOU KNOW, UH ALL OF US HAVE HEARD THE COMMENTS OF WHY ARE WE NOT LIKE NASHVILLE? WHY ARE WE NOT LIKE CINCINNATI AND THINGS LIKE THAT? AND YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPER HAS COME IN, YOU KNOW, REACHED THE COMMUNITY. UH UH, UH , REACHED OUT TO COMMUNITY MADE CHANGES, MAKE CONCESSIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. UM AND WE NEED TO START TRUSTING OUR PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING IT A PROCESS THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN IN THIS CITY, AND SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I. I WILL BE A YES VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT. I ECHO STRONGLY WHEN COUNCIL OWEN AND COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER SAYING AND JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, TO DO THE SAME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR BAKER. COUNCILMAN ROBIN INGLE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD, UH WOULD SAY THAT, UH THIS DOES HIT. UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE JUST MENTIONED. UM WHICH WE'VE REALLY JUST DUG INTO OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR. BUT THE ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION IS THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR 10 FOR 510 AND 15 YEARS. AND THAT IS PROJECTS BEING BEING THROWN UP OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. APARTMENTS TOWN HOMES, CALL IT CALL IT WHAT YOU MAY UM, WITH RESIDENTS THAT POTENTIALLY MAY NOT HAVE A VEHICLE. THAT MAY HAVE KIDS. HOW DO WE? HOW DO WE EXPECT THEM TO GET TO THESE? THESE DESTINATIONS LIKE GROCERY STORES LIKE SCHOOLS , SCHOOLS THAT'S BECOME ANOTHER WHOLE ANOTHER ISSUE, BUT THAT FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT SO IF I COULD, UM, ASK AGAIN DO WE HAVE SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY? HOW FAR IS THE NEAREST GROCERY STORE? HOW FAR IS THE NEAREST SCHOOL? HOW FAR IS JUST ABOUT ANY TYPE OF SMALL BUSINESS. THAT THESE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO NEED TO ACTUALLY LIVE. AND SURVIVE. ARE YOU BRING THAT THE MAP UP, MR HABERMAN OR SOMETHING TO SHOW. I CAN I CAN PULL THE MAP UP THAT I HAD BEFORE, BUT I JUST LOOKED AT IT, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY DO A GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING. WHAT'S AROUND IT TO ANSWER. COUNCILMAN INGELS QUESTIONS? UM MADAM CHAIR. TAKE A LOOK AT LOGIC WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU A BROADER PERSPECTIVE. BUT MADAM CHAIR IF I MAY. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL M FOWLER. THANK THANK YOU. UM SO THI, THIS IS YOU KNOW, JUST FEET FROM DIXIE HIGHWAY. UM AND THE NEAREST GROCERY STORE. THERE IS A BUS STOP AT AT FLOWER AND DIXIE. I BELIEVE UM, THE NEAREST GROCERY STORE IS LESS THAN A HALF MILE AWAY. UM THERE'S A CONVENIENCE STORE AT THORNTON'S JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH FLOWER VALE. UM AND SOUTH. THERE IS ANOTHER GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE. UM BUT AND I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY EVEN 1/4 OF A MILE FROM, UM, THERE TO GET TO THE NEAREST GROCERY STORE 21 ON EACH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER COUNCILMAN INGLE. 
          WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU ASK OTHER THAN SCHOOL. THE SCHOOL. UH THERE'S A SCHOOL THAT SETS. UM 
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AGAIN, UH, LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY. MEDORA ELEMENTARY. SO TH THIS CLEARLY WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THAN WHAT WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT. IN THE PAST. I WAS THINKING THAT WE IT IT IT LACKED THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES. AND SO MY APOLOGY, MADAM CHAIR. OH, THAT'S OK. 
          COUNCILOR UH, MEMBER RENA WEBER, THEN COUNCILMAN BAKER. NO, I ACTUALLY JUST WANNA THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIGHLIGHTING ALL THE REASONS THAT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW? AWARE OF THIS AS A POTENTIAL MODEL BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES WITHIN 2020 PLAN 2040 IT ON A TRANSIT CORRIDOR. 
          IT'S NEAR A SCHOOL AND AS WE YOU KNOW, THERE'S GROCERY STORES NEARBY AND AS WE CONTINUE TO INCREASE DENSITY YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AS WE HEARD YESTERDAY ABOUT BEING SURE THAT WE DO HAVE RESOURCES TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH T. UM TO ALL OF THESE AMENITIES AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THIS IS I THINK THIS IS LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR. SO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO RAISE THEM AND GO TEAM. COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER NOW UH AND, UH, I JUST, UH UH AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT, UH, DIRECT, BUT I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN EAGLE, BRINGING UP THOSE QUESTIONS. UH, YOU KNOW, AS HE WAS THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY, UH, AN APPEAL ONE. THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD BE WORKING IN HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND TWO, YOU KNOW, FOOD FOR THOUGHT. JUST A COLLEAGUES. YOU KNOW WHEN I'M WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT APARTMENTS, AND WHEN YOU RAISE THOSE ISSUES, I'M JUST SAYING IN MY OWN PERSONAL LIFE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE TO BE CLEAR. YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN APARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IN MY OWN FAMILY, YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS HAVE DOWNSIZED. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN AN APARTMENT AND SO ACCESSIBILITY IS A REAL THING. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CARS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE INCOME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE GETTING IT. BUT WE, BUT I STRONGLY STRESS MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE GOT TO LOOK AT HOUSING AND APARTMENTS IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING IN THIS CITY IN ALL WALKS OF THIS DISTRICT, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU ALL TO THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR JUST STARTING TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE AND, UH, I HOPE AGAIN JUST ENCOURAGING EVERYONE FOR A YES, BUT ON THIS PROJECT, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ARE YOU GETTING READY TO ASK FOR A TABLE? BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS? OK, GO AHEAD. NOT YET. UM SO TO COUNCILMAN UH INGLIS. POINT OF WHERE THINGS ARE I KNOW I'VE HAD IT WAS A TRIGGER TO REMIND ME OF THIS, BUT I'VE HAD MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SCHOOL AT MEDORA, THOUGH THIS IS A CONCERN, RIGHT? SO AGAIN. I AM SUPPORTIVE IN THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO GET MORE BUSINESSES BECAUSE MORE BUSINESSES ARE SUPPORTED BY PEOPLE WHO SPEND MONEY IN THOSE BUSINESSES. AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THERE. BUT THE SCHOOL IS FULL. IT CAPACITY. WE ALREADY HAVE CAR RIDER LINE ISSUES THAT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN DE ROAD. 
          WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? TO FIX THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS THERE. AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THESE? EXTRA STUDENTS, RIGHT? THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THAT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS UM JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. AND THEN YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WHEN YOU MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH CAR RIDER LINE. THAT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND WE I MEAN, IT'S I CAN TAKE YOU TO SEVERAL OF MY DISTRICT, AND IT'S JUST EXACERBATED BECAUSE OF NO BUS DRIVERS AND PEOPLE GOING TO GET THEIR THEIR KIDS. I HAVE TO GO GET MY GRANDKIDS. UH AND IT'S NOT JUST A SHORTAGE IN LOUISVILLE BECAUSE THE OTHER DAY , I WENT TO MY GRANDSON'S SCHOOL OUT OF ALL THE BUSES RUNNING. UM I GOT CALLED IN AN EMERGENCY TO PICK HIM UP FOR BUSES RAN THAT DAY. FOR THE ENTIRE MIDDLE SCHOOL FOUR BUSES AND HE SAID, MA'AM, SHE SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE WHAT THE CAFETERIA LOOKED LIKE AFTER SCHOOL. IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY PEOPLE WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO GET CALLED. TO BE I WAS LOOKING AT, UM THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND LOOKING AT THE TIMES AND I WAS WONDERING . MAYBE THIS IS FOR COUNCILMAN OWEN FOR YOUR AD HOC COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT AND FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE JEFFERSON COUNTY SCHOOLS ARE STAGGERING. 
          THE SCHOOL START TIMES, SO MAYBE TRAFFIC STUDIES NEED TO BE THE TIME DURING SCHOOL NEEDS TO BE ADHERED TO. TO WHAT? WHAT THE SCHOOLS ARE IN THAT AREA WHEN THEY'RE GOING AND WHEN THEY'RE WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A STANDARD 7 TO 9 ANYMORE. IN THE MORNING, OR 4 TO 5 IN THE EVENING, OR 4 TO 6 WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING, BECAUSE, UH, SOME SCHOOLS GET OUT EARLIER THAN FOR A LOT EARLIER THAN FOUR. AND UH, SOME OF THEM LEAVE A START OR EXCUSE ME LATER THAN 9:09 A.M. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED. LOOK AT AS WE GO ON DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE PLANNING. UH PLANNING DESIGN NEEDS TO DO THAT. OR MAYBE YOUR AD HOC COMMITTEE. MADAM CHAIR. YES COUNCILWOMAN. UH, SORRY, I. I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT. I'M I'M 
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SCROLLING THROUGH THE MINUTES TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED THERE, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT SEEMS RELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, MEDORA ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS THE SCHOOL THAT'S NEARBY HAS APPLIED FOR SOME EXPANDED, UM, PARKING QUEUING AREA. UM, AGAIN, IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MADE IT TO THE MINUTES OR NOT. I'M TRYING TO FIND THE BLOCK, BUT IT SEEMED RELEVANT TO YOUR CURRENT CONVERSATION. UM, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH THE FULL VIDEO, WHICH IS AN EXPERIENCE, I ENCOURAGE, UM IT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, AND IT'S IN THE RECORD IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. THEY SHOW YOU HOW THAT PLAN IS PROPOSED TO BE IN THE I CAN PULL IT UP IF ANYBODY WANTED TO SEE IT. MADAM CHAIR. IF I MAY I I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION. I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN FOWLER. THANK YOU. UM SO THAT I WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ON FAN AND, UM, A AN ISSUE OR A, UM , A SOLUTION TO THAT ISSUE. UM AND THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR A PERMIT WITH METRO TO DO THAT. 
          AND, UM YOU KNOW THAT IT IT SHOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW THEY SHOULD BREAK GROUND ANY TIME. SO IT IT. UH IT SURELY WILL TAKE UM , WHAT HAS BEEN A REAL PROBLEM ALONG DARING ROAD IN FLOWER? UM THAT IT'LL TAKE, UH, THOSE CARS OFF THE ROAD SO AND I DON'T KNOW . YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE AT CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, THEY CLOSED ONE AT WASSON LANE ELEMENTARY. THEY CLOSED THAT SCHOOL SO THAT YOU KNOW BUMPED UP ATTENDANCE AT ALL OF OUR AREA SCHOOLS. UM SO YOU KNOW, I'M I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN THIS APARTMENT OR COMING FROM ELSEWHERE. UH OTHER COUNTIES. I MEAN, SOME OF THEM MIGHT, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY THERE ARE PEOPLE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY SO SOMEHOW OR THE OTHER, THEY'RE BEING SERVICED NOW THROUGH THE JCPS SYSTEM. THAT'S ALL. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILMAN OWEN THANK YOU. CHAIR I. I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO COUNCIL FOWLER. UM I IS THE SOLUTION THAT YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH UNIQUE TO THAT SCHOOL. OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT THAT THE REST OF US MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION IN IN OUR SCHOOLS AS WELL? I HAVE THE SAME ISSUE AT BOTH FIELD AND CHENOWETH. UM AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT COULD BE SHARED. AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ALL KIND OF DUPLICATE. THANK YOU. YEAH. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR TO MY OWN MACE, MATE? NO. GOING ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES A CHARM, OK? I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO VOTE. COUNL MEMBER RENO WER. I MY AND I LIKE FOR THE RECORD LIVE ON EIGHT YES VOTES. AND UH, COUNCILOR WOMAN FOWLER NEEDS TO VOTE TOO. NO. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM I WANT TO STATE MY YES. VOTE. UM THE QUESTIONS I'VE ASKED, WERE WERE PRETTY INTENTIONAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CONSTITUENTS IN THAT AREA. UM AS A RESIDENT OF THE SOUTHWEST SERVICE, COUNTY, UM I HEAR EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS ABOUT WE WANT THIS. WE WANT THE POSITIVE GROWTH. WE WANT SHOPS. WE WANT RESTAURANTS. WE WANT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND THEN WHEN I HEAR THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT OF AN APARTMENT OR TOWN HOME OR SOME SOME TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. WE GET THIS CONTENTIOUS. DEBATE HAPPENING, AND IT'S PRETTY. IT'S PRETTY CRAZY. AS I HEAR EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS IN AND WHY THEY DON'T WANT CERTAIN THINGS. I LEAVE THIS FOR EVERYBODY TO BE OPEN MINDED IN THE FACT THAT IF YOU ARE A BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S A BIG BOX, WHETHER IT'S A SMALL MOM AND POP START UP OR LOCAL SHOPS OR RESTAURANTS OR GROCERS. PEOPLE IN BUSINESS ARE NOT GOING TO OPEN A BUSINESS WHERE THERE ISN'T PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IT IN A CONTEXT OF MAKING SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC WILL SUPPORT THE RO I 
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THAT THEY HAVE IN IT. SO THAT'S WHY I VOTE. YES, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE GROWTH AND THE POTENTIAL THAT THE SOUTH END HAS IN SHOPS, RESTAURANTS AND BEING THAT MODEL. FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. YEAH. BLOOD YOU HAVE EIGHT YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE, AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT THE METRO COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER. THANK YOU. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS AN ORUS RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY. LOCATED AT 1116 LOGAN STREET CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.1033 ACRES AND BEING A LITTLE METRO CASE NUMBER 23 ZONE, 0163. SECOND PROPERLY MOVING IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. HELLO. JOE 
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 O-069-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1116 LOGAN STREET CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.1033 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 23ZONE0163).
Action Required By:  June 21, 2024
Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
HABERMAN OFFICE OF PLANNING. SO HERE IS A MAP OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT SIX. THERE IS AN AERIAL SHOWING KIND OF THE AREA AND THE SURROUNDING CONDITIONS. THERE IS A ZONING MAP SHOWING THAT IT'S OR TWO WITH SOME COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT SCATTERED AROUND IT AND SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA AND SOME INDUSTRIAL SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THE CHANGE FROM OR TO OFFICE RESIDENTIAL TO SEE TO COMMERCIAL WITH THAT REQUEST. THEY ALSO ASKED FOR A WAIVER TO ENCROACH INTO THE REQUIRED PROPERTY PERIMETER LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA AND TO WAIVE SOME OF THE PLANTINGS IN THE AREA OF ENCROACHMENT. AND WITH IT, THERE WAS A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO CURRENTLY THE SITE IS DEVELOPED WITH A STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE IN RESIDENTIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL USE. I DIDN'T WRITE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT THAT MEANS. UM I GUESS IT'S VACANT SPACE. IT'S POSSIBLE RETAIL OR SOME OTHER SMALL COMMERCIAL. RIGHT NOW. IT'S WITHIN THAT SMOKE TOWN SHELBY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, AND IT'S IN THE TRANSITION ZONE WITHIN THAT. SO HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS HOW THE LAW WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE BUILDING, UM, BEING TURNED INTO THAT RESTAURANT WITH A PATIO AREA BEHIND IT. HERE IS A SITE. PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY. HERE ARE SOME ADJACENT PROPERTIES SHOWING SOME RESIDENTIAL THAT APPEARS TO BE USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL CURRENTLY TO THE NORTH AND SOME NON-RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN AGAIN, SOME RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL CROSS LOGAN. SO THEY HAD THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON NOVEMBER 2ND OF 2023, THEIR LD AND T MEETING ON FEBRUARY 8TH OF 2024. THEY HAD THE HEARING ON MARCH 21ST OF 2024 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FROM OR TWO TO C TWO WITH THE VOTE OF 7 TO 0. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU. CHAIR. I THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UM YOU SEE MOMENTUM IN A IN A CERTAIN AREA? UM AND I THINK IT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AS WELL. UH CO. UH, COUNCILMAN BEAM WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT HOPING TO GET MORE MORE BUSINESSES AND IN THE SOUTH SOUTH SIDE OF LOUISVILLE, AND I THINK LOGAN STREET IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE START INVESTING IN A CERTAIN AREA. UM I THINK IT'S SUPER EXCITING. ANOTHER RESTAURANT ALONG THERE NEAR THE LOGAN STREET MARKET. UH, I'M GONNA BE VOTE, AND I THINK IT'S AGAIN AAA REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHEN PEOPLE START INVESTING IN AN AREA. OTHER MONEY COMES IN AS AS WELL AS AS THEY FEEL. UM MORE COMFORTABLE IN INVESTING IN A CERTAIN COMMUNITY, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THE FIRST DOLLAR IN SO I MEAN, YES, BUT THANK YOU. COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER. YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS, UH, AN EXCITING PROJECT. THAT'S COME INTO DISTRICT SIX. AS YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INVESTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO ONE WHO HAS SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION FOR THE RECORD. UM BUT THE COMMUNITY IS EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THIS WAS, UM NOT ZONED IN A WAY THAT COULD REALLY COULD CONTRIBUTE GROWTH BEFORE AND SO THIS IS THE TYPE OF ZONING THAT CAN BE MODELED THROUGHOUT THE CITIES IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND I'M JUST, UH, ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY. A YES VOTE. I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT COMES FROM THIS. AND HOW THIS, UH, CAN KIND OF SPUR. UM MORE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN LOGAN STREET CORRIDOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAPO THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. UM I'VE READ A LOT OF, UH, TIME ENERGY AND EFFORT INTO MAKING 
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SURE THAT THIS AREA SUCCEEDS, UM , PARTICULARLY UNDER MY ORGANIZATION CALLED THREE POINTS, WHICH, UM, HELPS, UM DO BEAUTIFICATION AND STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REPRESENT THREE POINTS. UH SHELBY PARK SCHELBERG AND GERMAN PARIS TOWN, AND I LOVE ALL OF THE BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE, SO I'LL ECHO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN OWEN SAID, UM, SHOUT OUT TO BUSINESSES LIKE ADRIAN TOASTY'S, UM GOODNESS, TROUBLE BAR LOGAN STREET. EVERYTHING HAPPENING THERE? UM AND THEN THERE'S A LIKE AURORA GALLERY. UM THE NEW CRAFT STORE. WHICH I? I DON'T REMEMBER. UM UH I COULD GO ON AND ON CANARY CLUB AND ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING. UM BUT I, I DO WANNA SAY WHILE WE ARE HAVING THIS INFLUX OF BUSINESSES, I HATE TO BE THAT PERSON THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING. UM BUT THAT IS REALLY HAIRY OVER THERE AND ESPECIALLY AS IT'S PLAGUED WITH ONE WAY STREETS, AND I KNOW THAT NO ONE IN THIS ROOM PROBABLY CAN MAYBE GIVE AN UPDATE, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THAT, SINCE IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE, BUT, UM I'VE HEARD. IT'S BEEN COMING FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE SEEN THE PLANS, BUT IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABOUT IT. AND SO I THINK THAT HAVING, UM, TWO WAY STREETS IN THIS AREA, IT'S VITAL NOT ONLY FOR TRAFFIC CALMING BUT ALSO THE CITY'S WAY OF SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE FOOT TRAFFIC INTO THESE BUSINESSES. I TAKE LOGAN STREET EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN I'M COMING DOWN TO CITY HALL. I'M A PRETTY SAFE DRIVER FOR THE MOST PART. BUT I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEONE RIGHT THERE AT LOGAN STREET. UH, AS THERE, UH GOING BY AND, UM, OPENING THEIR DOORS CROSSING THE STREET. WHAT HAVE YOU? UM SO I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE A YES VOTE FOR ME. 
          ABSOLUTELY UM, LOVE TO SEE A RESTAURANT AND A SMALL UH, SMALL SPACE LIKE THIS, UM, SHOUT OUT ALSO TO PERSO ANOTHER ONE OF MY FAVORITE BUSINESSES OVER IN SHELBY PARK. UM BUT I JUST REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE OUR CITY TO BE GOOD PARTNERS TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, BUILDING AN ENVIRONMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THOSE BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT A HEALTHY COMMUNITY. UH, THANK YOU. DID YOU WITHDRAW? OH, COUNCILOR OWEN. THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, SO ALONG THE SAME LINES OF THE TWO STREET CONVERSIONS EVERY SINGLE TIME I MEET WITH SOMEBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS. I MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TWO STREET. UH, TWO WAY CONVERSIONS. UH, AND RECENTLY, EVERY TIME I MEET SOMEBODY WITH THE ADMINISTRATION , I ALSO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TWO WAY CONVERSIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE STUDIES UP AND DOWN THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT, GIVEN THE COST OF A TWO WAY CONVERSION, THERE IS NO BETTER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MONEY SPENT THAN CONVERTING TO A ONE WAY STREET TO TWO WAY STREETS. IT IS GREAT FOR BUSINESS EVERYWHERE, AND WE SHOULD BE MOVING THAT THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. STARTING WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE VIRTUAL WORLD. NO OK, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? WE'RE READY TO VOTE. 1000. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, MARINA WEBER. I. WITHOUT OBJECTION. VOTING IS CLOSING. WE HAVE EIGHT YES VOTES AND IT'LL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT MEETING. PARDON? OKAY? MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 54, 01, 54, 05 AND 5411 NEW CUT ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.70 0.70 ACRES AND BEING A LITTLE METRO CASE NUMBER 22 
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Action Required By:  June 1, 2024
Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
ZONE, 0165. SECOND PROPERLY RATED SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. OFFICER B AND JO HABERMAN. SO THIS PROPERTY IS IN DISTRICT NUMBER 25, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE MAP. HERE IS AN AERIAL KIND OF SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF PARKING. IT'S KIND OF AN IRREGULAR SHAPED LOT. UM HERE IT IS. WITH THE ZONING. YOU CAN SEE THAT. IT'S MOSTLY COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG THE CORRIDOR WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING AND THEN SOME 
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INDUSTRIAL NEARBY. THEY'RE PROPOSING A CHANGE FROM C ONE COMMERCIAL TO C TWO COMMERCIAL IN A WAIVER TO PERMIT PARKING AND CIRCULATION IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. AND WITH THAT IS A DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH BINDING ELEMENTS. SO THEY WANT TO REZONE THIS EXISTING AUTO REPAIR FACILITY. UM, THE ISSUE ISN'T NECESSARILY WITH THE AUTO REPAIR. IT'S WHAT THE NUMBER OF DAYS SO THEY ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL BAY, WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED IN C ONE, SO TO CHANGE TO C, TWO WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THAT EXTRA KIND OF WORK AREA FOR CARS ON THE SITE HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO ZONING ENFORCEMENT FOR SOME TIME, AND IT'S ANTICIPATED IF COUNSEL APPROVED THIS, AND THEY DO THE THINGS ON THEIR SITE PLAN THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT THAT CASE WILL BE RESOLVED. SO THERE'S SOME EXISTING STRUCTURES . UM ON THE SITE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT TO THOSE. SOME CURB CUTS WILL BE CLOSED ALONG PALATKA N CUT ROAD AND SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND PLANTINGS ARE PROPOSED. 
          TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND MS D HAVE PROVIDED THEIR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL. AND THE SITE IS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA BOUNDS OF THE NEW CUT ROAD TAYLOR BOULEVARD CORRIDOR STUDY, WHICH WAS DONE BACK IN 2013. HERE IS A SITE PLAN. UM YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BUILDING HERE. THIS KIND OF HARD TO READ WITH SOME PARKING IN THAT. OPEN AREA IN FRONT. HERE IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY FROM NEW CUT ROAD. THERE'S ANOTHER SHOT. CAN SEE THOSE EXTRA BAYS OR THAT EXTRA BAY. HERE IS AN ADJACENT SITE THAT USED RESIDENTIALLY HERE IS ANOTHER ADJACENT SITE. AND ANOTHER. AND ANOTHER. SO WITH THIS, UM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 13TH OF 2023. THE LDNT MEETING WAS ON JANUARY 25TH OF 2024. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THEIR HEARING ON FEBRUARY 29TH 2024, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A CHANGE FROM C ONE TO C TWO BY A VOTE OF 6 TO 1. TO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILWOMAN RUI. YOU WERE YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE IN THE I KNOW YOU WERE JUST THE FIRST ONE IN THE QUEUE. OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T USUALLY SAY A WHOLE LOT IN MEETINGS, BUT I WANT TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT IS IN COUNCILMAN BETHAN'S DISTRICT. BUT MY DISTRICT IS ACROSS THE STREET AND I ATTENDED THE FIRST MEETING COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THIS IN 2021 DURING COVID. IT WAS VIRTUAL AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS. THERE HAVE BEEN VERY UNCOOPERATIVE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. IN THAT INITIAL MEETING, THEY WERE INFORMED THAT THEY WERE OPERATING OUTSIDE OF THEIR ZONING AND THE BUSINESS OWNER SAID HE DIDN'T CARE. HE WAS HE WAS MAKING MONEY AND HE WAS GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. HE HAS CONTINUED TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. AND SO AS A RESULT THE SECOND MEETING. I WENT TO THE SECOND MEETING THAT WAS HELD. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS HELD OVER A YEAR AGO. AND AT THAT MEETING WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO OFFICE WE SET BACK BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL, BUT I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO BE SAID. AND AT THAT POINT, UM THE SUN WAS THERE. HE WAS RUNNING THIS MEETING. HE HAD PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE SCATTERED AROUND. THAT THAT IT FELT VERY MUCH LIKE THEY WERE TRYING TO BULLY. COMMUNITY MEMBERS. OK? I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY ARE REALLY GOOD MECHANICS. 
          THEY GIVE A GOOD PRICE TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THAT THEY ARE IMMIGRANTS, AND THEY WORK A LOT WITH THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE DISRESPECT FOR THE ZONING THAT IS IN PLACE. WE'RE KIND OF IN A IN A LOSE LOSE SITUATION HERE. THERE'S MULTIPLE, UM BINDING ELEMENTS ON HERE LIKE A 5 FT BUFFER WITH THE APARTMENTS AND THE HOUSING. UH, CLOSING THE ACCESS ALONG NEW CUT ROAD ALL OF THESE THINGS, GIVEN HIS PREVIOUS RECORD FOR NOT DOING WHAT HE'S BEEN ASKED TO DO. I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THESE THINGS WILL BE DONE. SO WE ARE KIND OF AT, UM WE CAN. I CAN ASK YOU TO DENY HIS REZONING. HE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS HE'S DONE BECAUSE HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T CARE. YOU CAN ACCEPT HIS REZONING AND PASS IT ON AND I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE YOU HE WILL NOT DO THESE THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS BINDING ELEMENT AND WE WILL BE BACK DECIDING HIM. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO PUT THIS OUT HERE THAT THIS PERS THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND MY ASK WOULD BE THAT YOU DENY THIS REZONING AND THE TRAVIS. FISKER GOT QUESTION IF 
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WE DENY THIS REZONING, WHEN CAN THEY REAPPLY? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? UH, YES. SO GENERALLY, THE TWOYEAR RULE IS IN PLACE. UM, AND THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CODE. THERE'S BASICALLY TWO THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO GET AROUND THE TWOYEAR RULE. UH, ONE IS TO PROPOSE A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT PLAN. SO YOU KNOW A DIFFERENT USE A DIFFERENT ZONE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR TWO. IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC OR THERE'S A COUPLE OF CATEGORIES CHANGES IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW SOME RADICAL DIFFERENCE THAT SUDDENLY MAKES SOMETHING APPROPRIATE. 
          THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WE VERY RARELY SEE PROJECTS GO THROUGH THAT IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS THE MY PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT STANDARD. UH, THAT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO WAIVE THAT RULE. BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE PREVENTED FROM REAPPLYING FOR A REZONING IF YOU ARE DENIED FOR TWO YEARS AND THAT'S THE MAXIMUM OF THAT'S ALLOWED BY STATE LAW. SO THANK YOU. SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE DENY AS REZONING, AND HE'S GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE AND IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW THEM. AND IF THERE'S NOT, THERE'S CONSEQUENCES AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. HE WAS TAKEN TO COURT FOR A ZONING VIOLATIONS, AND HE WAS DECLARED TO BE IND INDIGENT. AND THAT HE COULDN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE FINES THE PROPERTIES WORTH OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. HE'S NOT INDIGENT. AND SHOULD THE ZONING BE APPROVED THOSE FINES, AS THE JUDGE ORIGINALLY STATED, WILL GO OUT THE WINDOW. SO THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF PROBLEMS WE'VE GOT WITH OUR CODE ENFORCE WITH OUR ZONING ENFORCEMENT AND THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS RIGHT NOW. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. FIRST OF ALL, IF THERE'S A DENIAL ON ZONING, YOU CAN CORRECT ME. IF I'M WRONG. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FINDINGS OF FACT IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT THERE'S 14 VOTES AGAINST IT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FINDINGS OF FACT. TO OVERTURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YES SO THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO THAT'S THE WAY THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO GO TODAY. I MAY WE RECOMMEND TABLING THIS SO WE CAN WORK ON DRAWING THOSE UP. I MEAN, SOMETHING WE COULD DO BETWEEN NOW AND FULL COUNSEL, IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, BUT YES, WE WERE. I'M COMING TO YOU NEXT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE CAN'T JUST VOTE. NO BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK WE VOTE NO, AND IT GOES AWAY. THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          COUNCILMAN BET, SEAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WAS I MADE THAT COMMENT TO THEM. I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE SO LOUD. THEY WERE. SHE LOOKED AT ME AND I WAS LIKE I'LL GET THROUGH IT EVENTUALLY. THANK YOU, TRAVIS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM COUNCILWOMAN RUI. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UM GUYS. UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. TRAVIS. I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. BUT I WANNA ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE TO COUNCILWOMAN RUI. SO IN A IN WHAT YOU SAID IS THEY DO A REALLY GOOD SERVICE. THEY PROVIDE A REALLY GOOD PRICE, AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. BUT THEN YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO I'M KIND OF TORN THERE, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT. MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE NEAREST REPAIR SHOP, UM, COMPARABLE TO THIS TO THEM. YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME A SECOND. THAT'S NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          I APOLOGIZE, COUNCILMAN, WHAT INFORMATION WE LOOKING FOR? I ASKED THE QUESTION. IT'S JUST THE NEAREST PLACE CLOSE BY WHICH I KNOW IT'S WITHIN A DISTANCE. I WAS FOR THE RECORD, JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. MY THING IS WHEN GROWING A BUSINESS AND EXPANDING IN A BUSINESS WHETHER YOU'RE A I'LL. I'LL PUT IT TO THE SMALL BUSINESS. FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED. BUSINESSES. YOU SOMETIMES GET CAUGHT IN THE WEEDS OF DOING A LOT OF THE OPERATIONAL WORK. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I CAN TELL YOU THAT FROM EXPERIENCE. YOU GET BURIED IN THE WEEDS OF THAT AND WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GROW AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW. YOU GROW. AND SOMETIMES YOU LOSE TRACK AND UNDERSTANDING OR OR NOT AS EDUCATED AS SOME OF US. TO WHAT THE PROPER DIRECTION IS TO GROW SO I HAVE READ THROUGH THIS 200 PAGE BINDER HERE. OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTES THIS 6 TO 1. I LOOK AT THIS AND I LOOK AT THE COMMENTS THAT ARE AGAINST AND I LOOK AT THE COMMENTS THAT ARE FOR THE COMMENTS AGAINST ARE FROM A NUMBER OF THE SAME FOLKS 
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WHO ARE USUALLY AGAINST A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS. NOT TO POINT THAT OUT, JUST SAYING THAT. THERE IS ALSO COMMENTS IN HERE THAT SHOW HOW MUCH VALUE THAT THEY SHOW THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT GOOD WORK THAT THEY DO. AGAIN 6 TO 1 VOTE APPROVAL. THERE'S SOME THINGS ON THE BINDING ELEMENTS THAT I HAD QUESTIONS ON. UM THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW WE AS A BODY IN THE FREE MARKET CAN CAN SAY SOMEONE CAN ONLY OPEN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND MUST BE CLOSED BY 6 P.M. RIGHT. UM I CAN AGREE WITH MOST OF THE BINDING ELEMENTS, BUT LET'S SAY, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES TO SELL AND OR LEASE THIS SPACE BECAUSE AFTER TWO YEARS IF WE WAS TO DENY THIS CASE HE'S OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE HE CAN ONLY RUN ON TWO BAYS AND GET ANOTHER $500,000 WORTH OF REPAIRS TO GET DONE, AND HE CAN'T AFFORD THAT, SO HE HAS TO PUT THE PROPERTY UP FOR LEASE, WHETHER IT'S VACANT NOW, OR HE CHOOSES TO LEASE IT TO A BANK. WHETHER L AND N FEDERAL CREDIT UNION OR OR TRUEST BANK DECIDES TO BUY THAT CORNER LOT. IT SAYS IN THE BINDING ELEMENTS. WE CAN'T HAVE A BANK OR A CREDIT UNION THERE. RIGHT I CAN AGREE WITH THE LIQUOR STORE OR THE AUTO SALES OR THE OR THE GAMBLING ROOMS OR THE TATTOO PARLORS. BUT I, I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE CAN SAY NO TO SOMEONE WHO IS WILLINGLY TRYING TO BETTER THEIR BUSINESS AND BE AN INVESTMENT IN THE SOUTHWEST JEFFERSON COUNTY, PART OF LOUISVILLE. PERIOD. II I OK? I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE JUST TAKING A HESITATION. BUT BINDING ELEMENTS ARE AGREED TO BY BOTH PARTIES. SO THAT'S AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THERE IS RELIEF. THEY CAN ASK FOR RELIEF OF A BINDING ELEMENT BY GOING BACK TO THE PROCESS. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL THANK YOU, UM, TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION EARLIER. IT LOOKS LIKE FROM MY CAL. THERE'S AT LEAST EIGHT INCLUDE EIGHT TIRE SHOPS IN THE AREA, INCLUDING EAGLE TIRE, UM, PROBABLY WITHIN LIKE A HALF MILE RADIUS. IF THAT, UM TO ME, THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN REALLY GOOD REPAIR. I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE A BUSINESS THAT HAS PAINT THAT'S NOT PEELING AND A SIGN THAT'S NOT ONLY THERE, BUT LEGIBLE. UM IT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IT IT'S THEY'RE MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTY. HOWEVER I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT THE ABSTENTION OR, UM, OBSTINATE. SORRY OBSTINATE FROM THE BUSINESS OWNER IS UNBECOMING . UM AND HOPEFULLY THERE CAN BE THINGS TO REMEDY THAT SO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT BOTH, UM COUNCILOR RUI AND COUNCILMAN, UH, BATCH'S COMMENTS AND TRUST ME. UM EARLIER WHEN I WAS SHOOTING YOU THAT LOOK, I WAS JUST EATING MY POPCORN OVER HERE. LISTENING TO THE COMMENTARY, UM, TWO QUESTIONS. UM ONE HAS KHALIL TALKED TO I'M SO SORRY, COUNCILMAN BATCH ON TALK TO THE BUSINESS OWNER. AND IS THAT AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION AND THEN ALSO A CLARIFICATION ON FINES. I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BEING FINED FOR BEING OUT OF ZONING. AND IF WE DENY THIS, THEN THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE FINE FOR BEING OUT OF ZONING IF WE APPROVE THIS, AND THEY DON'T COMPLY, THEN THEY'LL BE ZONED FOR B OR FINE FOR BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE. SO NO, NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE GO, THEY WILL BE FINED UNTIL THEY GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. SO COULD I GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON IT, I GUESS IS THAT TRUE? AND ALSO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN FINES SO I CAN ANSWER FINE QUESTION RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BEING CITED UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          CODE, WHICH ARE THOSE A DEGREE FINDS THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN FINED UNDER. SO IF THIS REZONING IS NOT APPROVED, WE'LL PICK UP ENFORCEMENT IF THEY CONTINUE TO USE THE THIRD BAY. THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY POINT HERE, BECAUSE AUTO REPAIR IS PERMITTED. IT'S THERE JUST HAVE TOO MANY SERVICE PAYS SO THEY COULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, STOP USING IT IN VIOLATION. BUT IF THIS GETS APPROVED IT KIND OF CHANGES HOW WE CAN APPROACH ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEN IT ALLOWS US TO ENFORCE THROUGH BINDING ELEMENT ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PART OF STATE LAW. SO HOW WE'VE BEEN ENFORCING UP TILL NOW COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON YOUR DECISION AND THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE HOW BINDING ELEMENT ENFORCEMENT IS DIFFERENT . THE FINES ARE HIGHER AND THEY GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
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UM FOR REVIEW, NOT THE DISTRICT COURT. LIKE THE CURRENT CASE THAT COUNCILWOMAN RUI MENTIONED. 
          THAT ONE WENT THE DISTRICT COURT AND THEY WERE THE ONES TO DECIDE. CONDITIONALLY DISCHARGE THE FINES AND THEY ARE TYPICALLY THE ONES THAT ALLOW TIME FOR REZONING TO BE CONSIDERED. UM, AND HOW THEY KIND OF ADJUDICATE THE CASE. IS THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION. AND WHAT ABOUT, UM FINES FOR BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE. SO IF WE HAD PASSED THIS AND THEY DON'T MAKE THE, UM , ALTERATIONS TO, I THINK THE CURB CUTS AND BUFFERS. WHAT DOES THE PENALTY LOOK LIKE FOR BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE? THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS WOULD TELL US TO GIVE THEM A WRITTEN NOTICE FIRST, AND IF THEY DON'T CURE THAT, WITHIN 14 DAYS, WE WOULD FIND THEM $1000. AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE CAN REFER HIM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE FINES CAN GET UP TO $4000 PER OFFENSE, SO THE FINES ARE MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT WITH YOU FINDING ELEMENT. UM, VIOLATION. 
          AND I WOULD I COULD DEFER TO LAURA, WHO WOULD USUALLY BE THE ONE TO TAKE THAT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF I SAID ANYTHING INCORRECT, RIGHT, SO FIRST OFFENSE OF A BINDING ELEMENT VIOLATION USUALLY IS RECOMMENDED WITH $1000 FINE. UM PLANNING COMMISSION HERE IS ALL THE TESTIMONY AND CAN UPHOLD THE CITATION. UM CAN DO THE FINE IF IT'S BEEN OUT MULTIPLE TIMES, THEN MAY DECIDE TO CHANGE THE FINE TO $1000 PER EACH TIME. THE OFFICER HAS BEEN OUT THERE SO IT COULD INCREASE. UM, THE BUT PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION TO DISTRICT COURT. BUT IT GOES TO CIVIL DISTRICT COURT, NOT CRIMINAL DISTRICT COURT. IF THEY DON'T APPEAL THE DECISION WE CAN TAKE IT TO. I'VE TAKEN A COUPLE OF THESE TO CIRCUIT COURT FOR AN INJUNCTION. TO STOP THE ACTIVITY, SO THERE'S MORE TEETH IN BINDING ELEMENTS, AND YOU'RE REALLY MORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY A CIVIL PROCESS RATHER THAN THE CRIMINAL PROCESS THAT THE ZONING VIOLATIONS ARE IN, SO IT'S GOT MORE TEETH TO IT. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FINED YET BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE. WE FIND THEM. I BELIEVE TWICE, BUT IT WAS MAYBE $100 FOR THE FIRST DEFENSE $200 FOR THE SECOND, BUT THOSE FINES WERE TAKEN TO DISTRICT COURT, AND IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT THEY WERE CONDITIONALLY DISCHARGED, WHICH BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY COULD GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND IF THEY'RE APPROVED , THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM. BUT IF THEY'RE DENIED AND THEY REOFFEND AND THEY OWE THEM AND THEY COULD BE FINED MORE. SO BUT IT WASN'T A HIGH NUMBER. UM, TYPICALLY, WE REFER TO DISTRICT COURT AFTER JUST A COUPLE UNANSWERED CITATIONS. THANK YOU. WE JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A TRIPLE DIGIT FINE VERSUS A FOUR DIGIT FINE. COOL. COUNCIL MEMBER RENO WEBER. I. I ACTUALLY THINK I'VE I'VE CHANGED MY FRAME ON THIS. I WHY I'M GENERALLY VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ENTREPRENEURS AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP. THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE WOULD FLAGRANTLY VIOLATES. LAWS AND RULES THAT WE HAVE I DON'T WE SHOULD MAKE A COMBINATION FOR THAT, HOWEVER, IF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS SET OURSELVES UP FOR A BETTER AND MORE IMPACTFUL ENFORCEMENT REGIME AND STILL ALLOW THIS ENTREPRENEUR TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. SO THANKS, STEVE. 
          COUNCILWOMAN RUI OK, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS ON THE FINES AND THE STRUCTURE ON ALL OF THAT, AND GIVEN THAT THE PENALTIES WILL BE HIGHER. IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PROCEED WITH THE REZONING. THEN I WILL ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THE REZONING. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT. UM NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. THIS IS YES. TO I UNDERSTAND. COUNCILMAN RUBY JUST CHANGED HER DECISION BUT TO STOP USING THE BAY. BUT ONE BAY WOULD EQUAL MORE CARS IN THE LOT WHO WE ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING ABOUT THOSE CARS IN THE LOT, SO IT WOULD BE SMART FOR US TO PUSH THIS. AND ZONE THEM IN THE CORRECT ZONING CATEGORY THAT THEY NEED TO BE IN SO THEY CAN CREATE THE REVENUE AND GENERATE THE BUSINESS. THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE CURB CUTS AND SIDEWALKS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE DONE 
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DONE. I WILL. I THINK GOING BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL'S COMMENT EARLIER, I WILL ASSURE YOU THIS IF THE THINGS IF WE IF THIS PASSES OUT OF COMMITTEE AND OUT OF COUNCIL I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE SAY NEEDS TO BE DONE IS DONE. BECAUSE I WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO LOOK GOOD, FEEL GOOD, FEEL SAFE AND THRIVE JUST AS MUCH AS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER IN THIS ROOM AND CONSTITUENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I WILL GUARANTEE YOU I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU IF THEY DO NOT FALL INTO COMPLIANCE. I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE THAT CALL. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER, OWEN. EXCELLENT CONVERSATION HERE. MOST OF MY POINTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY OTHER PEOPLE. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF, UM THEM. INVESTING IN THEIR BUSINESS, GROWING THEIR BUSINESS AND GONNA HOLD COUNCILMAN BATCH ON TO THE FIRE ABOUT HIS GUARANTEE. AND I HAVE TO SAY THE BINDING ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN VERY THOROUGHLY VETTED . AND UM, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THESE BINDING ELEMENTS AND OTHER PROJECTS, TOO. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. CARRY NO SEE NONE WERE READY TO VOTE. COUNCILOR MARINO WEBER. HI. I I'LL SHOW CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON, SIR? MISBEHAVING. OH, I OK? COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SEAN NEEDS TO VOTE. WITHOUT OBJECTION. 
          VOTING IS CLOSING AND IT DISAPPEARED. THERE WAS EIGHT YES , F EIGHT. YES VOTES AND IT'LL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10,309 CEDAR CREEK ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 24.99 ACRES AND BEING THE LITTLE METRO CASE NUMBER 23 ZONE, 0111. MOTION TO APPROVE PROBABLY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. PHIL HABERMAN OFFICE OF PLANNING SO THIS PROPERTY IS IN DISTRICT NUMBER 23. THERE IS AN AERIAL SHOWING THE PROPERTY. 
          HERE IS THE ZONING. IT'S R FOUR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SURROUNDED BY OUR FOREIGN NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THEY ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM OUR FOUR SINGLE FAMILY. RESIDENTIAL TO R FIVE. A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH THAT THEY ARE NEEDING A MODIFIED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CHANGE THE AREA APPROVED IN THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS TIED TO A WEDDING VENUE EVENT CENTER. THEY ALSO NEEDED A MAJOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AND A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH FINDING ELEMENTS. SO THE REAR OF THE PARCEL IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE, AND IT'S PARTIALLY USED AS A WEDDING VENUE. IT'S ADJACENT TO HERITAGE CREEK, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 47 UNIT PATIO HOME STYLE DEVELOPMENT. SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, IT SHOWS. WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. HERE IS A CLOSE UP OF WHERE MORE OF THE ACTIVITY IS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. WHAT SOME ELEVATIONS HERE SHOWING YOU WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ELEVATIONS. HERE IS THE SITE. HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW. HERE ARE SOME ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SO IT'S RESIDENTIAL PRETTY MUCH ALL AROUND WITH SOME AGRICULTURAL SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS ON JULY 11TH OF 2023 WITH THE LDNT MEETING ON JANUARY. 25TH OF 2024 AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING WAS ON FEBRUARY 29TH OF 2024 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FROM A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FIVE A WITH A VOTE OF 7 TO 0 BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR HABERMAN. UM, THIS IS IN 
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 O-071-24     AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10309 CEDAR CREEK ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 24.99 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO (CASE NO. 23ZONE0111).
Action Required By:  June 1, 2024
**Council Member Jeff Hudson (R-23) can vote on this zoning change** 
Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
COUNCILMAN HUDSON'S OFFICE AND HIS, UM LEGISLATIVE AID CAME DOWN TO TELL ME THAT, UM MR HUDSON. COUNCILMAN HUDSON IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT HE ASKED THAT WE ADD THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT TO THIS CASE. SO, TRAVIS, WOULD YOU MIND READING THAT? HAVE TWO. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NUMBER I THINK IT'S NINE. YES, NUMBER NINE. IT WILL BE, UH, ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THE PRO STRUCTURE AS EG INCREASES IN BUILDING HEIGHT NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY AND CHANGES IN USE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PLANNING 
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COMMISSION, OR SUBCOMITTEE THEREOF, AND OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS OTHER THAN I, THE ADDITION OF NEW BINDING ELEMENTS TO I CHANGE IT TO BINDING ELEMENTS THAT MERELY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE OR THREE. I UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH FINAL DETERMINATION OR FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINED BY METRO COUNCIL. AND I MOVED THAT AMENDMENT. 
          PROBABLY MOVED A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SIGNIFIED BY SAYING, I, THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING ON THE MOTION CARRIES ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M LOOKING AND COUNCILMAN OWEN THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, I'M GONNA JUST BE, UH KIND OF SPEAK ABOUT THIS OVER AND OVER. UM THIS THESE THESE ARE, UM PATIO HOMES, WHICH ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND SO I APPRECIATE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING. UH UNIT THAT'S BEING BROUGHT ONLINE. UM SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE AND DUPLEXES AND THREE FLEXES AND FOUR FLEXES AND TOWN HOMES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY OUT LOUD. WE'RE ASKING DEVELOPERS TO DO THINGS THAT BRING DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS ONLINE. AND MORE DENSITY ONLINE. AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE SAYING THAT IN THIS MEETING AND IN THE AD HOC LAND USE, UH COMMITTEE. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPEL. I DEFINITELY ECHO THAT. AND UM LOVE THAT. THESE ARE PATIO HOMES . UM BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'LL BE PRESENT BECAUSE THAT TREE CANOPY. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEE NO ONE IN THE SYSTEM. ANYONE ONLINE NEEDS NO. OK, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. O OPEN. COUNCIL MEMBER, MARINA WEBER. RIGHT? WITHOUT OBJECTION. VOTING IS CAUSING. THERE ARE EIGHT YES VOTES, AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SEVEN. I'M SORRY I SAW A IN FRONT OF ME. SORRY. SEVEN YES VOTES AND ONE VOTING PRESENT. IT PASSES AND GOES TO OLD BUSINESS. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION UPDATING THE STANDARD DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR LANDMARKS. I PROPERTY MOVED IN SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. HI, EVERYONE. 
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 R-030-24     A RESOLUTION UPDATING THE STANDARD DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR LANDMARKS.
03/19/24  Planning and Zoning Committee  Tabled
Action Required By:  September 2024
Sponsors: Madonna Flood (D-24) ]
SAVANNAH D HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, UH, AS A REMINDER, I KIND OF GAVE YOU A LITTLE BRIEF INTRO BEFORE YOUR SPRING BREAK BUT FOUR HOUR LANDMARKS PROCESS. WE HAVE A DESIGN PERMIT, IF YOU WILL. THAT'S CALLED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR THOSE EXTERIOR CHANGES ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY HAS TO BE WITHIN ONE OF OUR LOCALLY DESIGNATED PRESERVATION DISTRICTS OR IS A LOCALLY DESIGNATED INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK. 
          THEY APPLY FOR THI PROCESS AND WE USE THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES. IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR DECISION. 
          AND SO THESE GUIDELINES WERE LAST UPDATED IN 1997, SO WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH A MULTIYEAR PROCESS TO MODERNIZE THEM AND UPDATE THEM TO GO TO THE NEXT. OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOE. 
          SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID IS WE UPDATED 16 EXISTING GUIDELINES AND THOSE ARE LISTED HERE FOR YOU. AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THEY RUN THE GAMUT EDITION DOORS, GARAGES, CARRIAGE HOUSES, MASONRY, NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM A DEMOLITION ISN'T UP HERE. WHICH SORRY. 
          DEMOLITION UM, ROOFING SIDING. WE REVIEW SIGNS, STOREFRONTS, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY 17 EXISTING GUIDELINES THAT WERE COMPLETELY GONE THROUGH AND UPDATED. AND THEN ALSO PART OF THIS PROCESS. WE CREATED FOUR BRAND NEW GUIDELINES. AND SO ONE OF THOSE IS ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS. SO WHEN THERE ARE CONSTANTLY NEW HOUSING MATERIALS THAT ARE COMING ONTO THE MARKET, SO HOW DO WE APPROACH THAT? HOW DO WE REVIEW THOSE THAT GIVES US THAT CHANCE? ARCHAEOLOGY UM CLIFTON IS ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS THAT HAS ARCHAEOLOGY AS A GUIDELINE. IT'S BEEN WORKING VERY WELL. SO WE'RE ADDING THAT TO OUR OTHER AREAS. UM WE'VE ALSO SEEN A NEED FOR MURAL GUIDELINES. WE WORKED WITH THE, UM OFFICE OF PUBLIC ART ON THAT AND THEN WE HAVE SUSTAINABILITY AND THE EFFICIENCY. OF COURSE, THAT'S A HUGE COMPONENT IN THESE MODERN TIMES. WHO HANDING THIS SO HERE'S JUST A KIND OF TIMELINE. IF YOU WILL, THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC BEFORE. UM OF COURSE, 1973. OUR LANDMARKS ORDINANCE IS PASSED BETWEEN 1974 AND 2003. WE HAD SEVEN PRESERVATION DISTRICTS THAT WERE CREATED 1997. THE LAST 
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TIME OUR GUIDELINES WERE UPDATED , WE DID RECEIVE A GRANT FROM THE KENTUCKY HERITAGE COUNCIL IN 2017 TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THE GUIDELINES AND GIVE US WITH A DRAFT UPDATE. AND WE STARTED THOSE MEETINGS THANKS TO COVID IN 2022 PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, UM THEN, OF COURSE. GONE THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS THROUGH 22,023. AND SO AGAIN, STANDARD GUIDELINES APPLY TO ALL LOCALLY DESIGNATED INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS IN ONLY SIX OF OUR SEVEN PRESERVATION DISTRICTS. I'VE LISTED THOSE THERE. CLIFTON IS OUR PRESERVATION DISTRICT THAT HAS ITS OWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          AS FAR AS PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE HAD 14 PUBLIC DISCUSSION MEETINGS. SOME OF THOSE WERE HELD IN THE DISTRICTS THEMSELVES . OTHERS WERE HELD AT THE MAIN BRANCH OF THE LIBRARY. WE HAD TWO SUBCOMITTEE MEETINGS OF THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD THREE FULL PUBLIC HEARINGS OF THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION TO GO OVER THE UPDATED GUIDELINES. AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 16TH. THEY DID, UM, HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE UPDATED GUIDELINES PASSED BY A VOTE OF 80. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IN OUR ORDINANCE, 32.258 E, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES MAY BE A AMENDED UPON RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMISSION WITH THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL. 
          WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE WITH YOU ALL AND I DID WANNA NOTE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON INFORMATION THAT THE COUNCIL OFFICES CAN SHARE WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS AS THESE GUIDELINES. COME ABOARD AND ARE ACTUALLY, UM, MOVED THROUGH, POSSIBLY APPROVED BY YOU ALL. 
          AND WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR YOU WHILE YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. AND ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. I THINK YOU ANSWERED MINE EARLIER, I. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT WAS JUST A CLARIFICATION. UM BUT WHEN YOU MENTIONED ARCHAEOLOGICAL, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY I WAS BECAUSE I WAS A COUNCIL PERSON WHERE THEY DID A HISTORIC DIG. 
          UH, ON THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS AN IT WAS AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE, IT ADDER LOOP AND I. I JUST I 65 NORTHBOUND WAS AMAZING . I'VE NEVER SEEN IT WAS A 3000 TO 4000 YEAR OLD PREHISTORIC INDIAN BURIAL GROUND. THE RELICS THAT THEY WERE PULLING FROM THE GRIDS. IT WAS JUST AMAZING, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS ONLY LIKE 18 INCHES DEEP BEFORE THEY HIT THE ARCH. YOU KNOW THE THINGS THAT THAT WERE CONSIDERED PREHISTORIC . IT WAS AMAZING. SO IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IN ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIG, I SUGGEST YOU DO IT BECAUSE IT IS VERY FASCINATING, AND THESE ARCHAEOLOGISTS WERE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE. UM IT WAS DID A FANTASTIC JOB OUT THERE. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPELL. WITH WITHDRAWAL. SORRY IF I COULD MAKE A REQUEST TO THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE USE AT FEED OVER, WITHDRAW THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT THAT YEAH, THANK YOU. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT SINCE WE SINCE WE STARTED BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, I HAVE TO SPEAK NOW OR I HAVE TO SAY I'M WITHDRAWING. SOMETIMES THE SIMPLEST THINGS ARE THE HARDEST ONES, RIGHT? YES EXACTLY. THEY THEY DO ALL THE HARD STUFF FIRST, AND THE EASY THINGS TO JUST MISS. COUNCIL MEMBER OWEN APOLOGIZE TO MY COLLEAGUES. I'M CHATTY KATHY THIS AFTERNOON. UM I NORMALLY DON'T SPEAK THIS MUCH , BUT, UM, I, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE ARCH ARCHAEOLOGY COMPONENT AND HOW THAT WORKS IN PRACTICE. UM YOU SINCE CLIFTON HAS HAD IT SO THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, USING THAT? WHAT HAS THAT LOOKED LIKE? AND BECAUSE I'M JUST INTERESTED IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR EVERYONE GOING FORWARD. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S USUALLY APPLIED TO WHEN SOMEONE IS DOING DEMOLITION OF A SITE OR THEY'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION. MAYBE IN THE REAR YARD FOR A CARRIAGE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND IT'S VERY MUCH RELIANT UPON THE, UM HOMEOWNER TO REACH OUT IF THEY'RE DIGGING. THEY'RE DOING THE EXCAVATION AND THEY LET US KNOW THAT THEY'VE SEEN SOMETHING . WE GIVE THEM EXAMPLES OF WHAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY SEE. AND WE HAVE HAD. I'D SAY PROBABLY ABOUT A DOZEN IN MY TIME HERE FROM CLIFTON, WHERE THEY REACH OUT AND THEY SAY THIS IS WHAT I FOUND. THEY SEND US PHOTOS, AND WE HAVE AN ARCHAEOLOGIST THAT ON OUR LANDMARKS COMMISSION. SHE WORKS FOR THE KENTUCKY ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY, AND SHE GOES OUT AND IT'S NOT REALLY A DELAY IN THEIR PROJECT. SHE JUST GOES OUT. SHE TAKES A LOOK. AND USUALLY IT'S JUST A MINOR DOCUMENTATION SORT OF THING. JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT'S THERE AND THEN IT'S PUT IN THE FILE. AND THE COST OF THAT IS BORNE BY US. I MEAN, SHE'S ON STAFF, BASICALLY OR SHE'S ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? SHE'S ON LANDMARKS COMMISSION IN THE KENTUCKY ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY. DOES THAT SORT OF PRO BONO FOR US? OH, OK. UM, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SAY NONE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SIGNIFY BY SAYING, II, I THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE, SIGN SEEING AND HEARING NONE IT PASSES AND IT 
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WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AND ARE NOT WELL. YOU CAN GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR. AND IF I MIGHT MAKE A QUICK NOTE ON THIS, MADAM CHAIR, UH, WHEN I WAS WRITING THIS UP, AS, UM SAVANNAH SAID, WE HADN'T HAD A CHANGE IN THESE GUIDELINES INTO THE NINETIES. AND UH, OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THIS TO BE DONE BY RESOLUTION. ORDINARY. ORDINARILY, I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE. BUT THE LANDMARKS ORDINANCE SAYS THIS MUST BE DONE BY RESOLUTION. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS WRITTEN, UH, MAYBE SOMETHING TO CATCH ON THE NEXT GO AROUND, BUT, UH, THAT THAT'S EXCUSE ME. CAN I GO AHEAD? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA KIND OF RAISE II. I THINK MAYBE IT SHOULD NOT BE ON CONSENT CALENDAR. FOR KIND OF THAT REASON. IT'S KIND OF. I THINK IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL THAT WE MIGHT WANNA CALL JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ATTENTION TO AND HAVE IT. GO IN OLD BUSINESS INSTEAD OF ON CONSENT, I THAT JUST WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING. WHILE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN MOVE ANYTHING FROM CONSENT TO ALL BUSINESS, SO I WOULD JUST GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. WE'LL JUST USE IT. I'LL PUT IT TO OLD BUSINESS. OK? THANK YOU. IT IS A BIG DEAL. AND THE WHOLE FILE SAYS IT'S A B TO YOUR RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS BEING HELD, SO THAT'S GOING. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. AN ORDINANCE REPEALING SECTION 15304 OF THE LOCAL JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING CATEGORY THREE REVIEWS IN THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE THAT. PROBABLY MOVED THAT SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. ARE YOU READY 
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 O-072-24     A ORDINANCE REPEALING SECTION 153.04 OF THE LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING CATEGORY 3 REVIEWS IN THE PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOOD.
Action Required By:  October 2024
Sponsors: Donna L. Purvis (D-5) ]
FOR ME? CHAIR CHAIR, LADY. ARE YOU READY FOR TRAVIS? I'M SORRY. UH, TRAVIS DID YOU HAVE, UH, EITHER WAY COUNCIL PURPOSES IF YOU WANT TO LEAD, AND I CAN JUST EXPLAIN WHAT SORT OF LEGALLY BEING DONE SO IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THE REASONINGS, UH, FEEL FREE. OK, I'M SORRY. DIDN'T MEAN TO OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS. UM BUT I'VE WORKED ON THIS WITH, UM TONY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. TRAVIS F STAR. AND THE REQUEST OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN PORTLAND. UH FOR YEARS, THEY FELT LIKE THIS WAS A DEVELOPMENT BARRIER. UH, CATEGORY THREE WAS IMPLEMENTED. UH, FOR THE PORTLAND AREA IS THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY THAT FOLLOWS THESE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. THEY FELT LIKE, UH, THIS COULD POSSIBLY HURT THE CHANCES FOR UH, BETTER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE FALKLAND AREA. AND SO, FOR THAT REASON, UM, AND ANOTHER REASON THEY WANTED THIS TO BE ELIMINATED. 
          UM, THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAD ACCESS TO POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY FELT LIKE ALL THE PARTNER STAKEHOLDERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. UH AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRILL DISAGREE ON WHAT WAS COMING TO THEIR COMMUNITY. SO FOR THAT REASON WE ARE ASKING FOR CATEGORY THREE TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN THE PORTLAND AREA. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDING THIS AS WELL AS VOTING TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. SO TO GIVE, UH FOLKS JUST A BIT OF HISTORY, AND, UM JOE MAY MAY WANT TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THIS BUT EFFECTIVELY. THE WHAT? I WHAT I THINK THE REASON I THINK THIS SECTION OF THE L MC O EXISTS, UM, IS ORIGINALLY TO TRY AND PROTECT PORTLAND IN MUCH EARLIER VERSIONS OF THE CODE FROM BEING A RAPIDLY GENTRIFIED AND CHANGED, UM, AND SO IT REQUIRED THIS SORT OF EXTRA LAYER OF REVIEW IN ALL CASES. UH, TWO THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE, UM ONE. OUR CODE HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY. UM AND SO THE TYPES OF ITEMS THAT REQUIRE AUTOMATIC REGULAR REVIEWS HAVE INCREASED. UM AND THE GENERAL AMOUNT OF SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PROCESS AND REVIEW AND DISCRETION. UM AND SO THERE'S THAT, AND THEN PART TWO IS THE SORT OF IMPACT OF THIS HAS REALLY HIT. UM, SMALL TIME PROJECTS AND DEVELOPERS. HARDEST RIGHT? UH, THERE'S AN EMPTY LOT IN PORTLAND. YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE? YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A CATEGORY THREE REVIEW THAT'S PUBLIC HEARINGS. THAT'S UM, APPLICATION FEES THAT WOULDN'T OTHERWISE NECESSARILY OCCUR. UM AND YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO ARE PROPOSING BUSINESSES HAVE THE MONEY TO GO THROUGH THIS ADDITIONAL PROCESS IN AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S TRYING TO JUST BUILD A HOME MIGHT NOT, UM, SO IT'S ONCE UPON A TIME MAY HAVE SERVED A VALUABLE PURPOSE. NOW IT'S SORT OF FIGHTING AGAINST WHAT THAT ORIGINAL PURPOSE WAS. UM IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING IN LAURA AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. THIS PROBABLY LONG IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S IN THE L. MC WOULD HAVE TO DIG UP SOME LEGISLATIVE HISTORY ON THAT FRONT, BUT IT'S REALLY AN ODDITY IN OUR CODE ANYWAY, SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT IF THERE WAS A REASON TO KEEP IT AROUND, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE OTHER REASONS, IT REALLY MAKES MOST SENSE JUST TO ELIMINATE IT. AT THIS POINT. I KNOW STAFF AND SUPPORT AS WELL. LIKE I SAID, JOE, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
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COUNCILMAN. NO ONE ARE YOU TRYING TO, BUT I OF THAT COMING IN ON MY SIDE, BUT GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU CHAIR . UM I A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE, I. I THINK IT'S GENERALLY UM NOT A GREAT IDEA TO CARVE OUT SECTIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND MAKE THEM SPECIFIC TO A CERTAIN AREA. THE COUNCILMAN BAKER WOULD PROBABLY KILL ME FOR SAYING THIS, BUT I LIVED IN OLD LOUISVILLE FOR A LONG TIME. AND I ABSOLUTELY THINK THE TNZD IN OLD LOUISVILLE IS A BARRIER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND SO I. I GENERALLY THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT THING TO DO TO ELIMINATE THIS AND TO BRING THIS TO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NEVER A CASE. TO DO THAT, UM BUT I GENERALLY THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S A BAD IDEA. SO I'M GONNA BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMING IN ON MY, UH, SPEAKERS. BUT NOBODY IN THERE, OK? GOOD. ALL RIGHT, I'LL I GUESS WE'RE READY TO VOTE. GO AHEAD. EXCUSE ME, UH, CHAIRWOMAN , FLORIDA I. I AM ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS CORRECT. NO, IT HAS TO BE A CHANGE IN ZONING. OK, GOT YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER YET RIGHT? WITHOUT OBJECTION, VOTING IS CLOSING. THERE ARE SEVEN YES, VOTES AND COUNCILWOMAN PURVIS. DO YOU WISH THIS TO GO TO YOU CAN GO ON A CONSENT CALENDAR, OR DO YOU WANT TO GO TO OLD BUSINESS? I WOULD PREFER THAT IT GOES ON CONSENT CALENDAR. IT'LL GO TO CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. OH GO AHEAD. WE NEED TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE RECORD. GO AHEAD. THIS MEETING WAS HELD PRESERVE THE KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL ROOM FIVE. A READY IN FOUR. THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK I'LL EVER GET USED TO READING IT. UM THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS IN FRONT OF US. THE ONLY ITEM WE HAVE LEFT IS THE, UH, FLOYD'S FORK THAT WILL REMAIN TABLED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. UH, SO WITH THAT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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