[1. ID 24-0189 DOJ CONSENT DECREE PROCESSES – Deputy Mayor David Kaplan, Mayor’s Office and Deputy Chief Paul Humphrey, Louisville Metro Police Department ]

OFFICE AND DEPUTY CHIEF. PAUL HUMPHREY, LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT IN FULL I BELIEVE DAVID KAPLAN AND CHIEF PAUL HUMPHREY HAD A PRESENTATION , WHICH WOULD ALSO BE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA FOR REFERENCE. UM COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES. MY NAME IS DAVID KAPLAN. I AM THE MAYOR'S, UH, GENERAL COUNSEL AND CHIEF OF STAFF. PAUL HUMPHREY, DEPUTY CHIEF LOUIS METRO POLICE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, CHAIR HAWKINS AND VICE CHAIRS AND ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. UH, THANK YOU FOR OFFERING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE YOUR COMMITTEE, UH , TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION, UH AND, UH, WHICH WE HAVE PREPARED AND ALSO TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS JUST AT ANY POINT IN THE PROCESS OR AS SOON AS YOU WANNA JUMP INTO THAT, AND I HAVE WITH ME A DEPUTY CHIEF PAUL HUMPHREY, UH, WHO IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS PROCESS AND IN VERY CENTRAL, UH, TO ITS US SO I KNOW HE'S ALSO PLEASED TO BE HERE, UH, WITH ME HERE TODAY. UH, WHAT I THOUGHT WE

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WOULD DO IT IS JUST DO A REALLY QUICK REVIEW OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND THEN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, GET INTO, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW? AND MY GOAL IS TO TELL YOU ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT I CAN TELL YOU WITH THE DEPUTY CHIEF HUMPHREY, ASSISTANCE AND HOPEFULLY SATISFY YOU THAT THE PROCESS IS GOING AS PLANNED AND THAT WE WILL GET TO A SUCCESSFUL POINT. UM JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S RECOLLECTION. YOU ALL KNOW THE LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT WERE INVESTIGATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. IT'S CALLED A PATTERN OR PRACTICE INVESTIGATION. THERE'S A SPECIFIC FEDERAL STATUTE THAT THAT AUTHORITY WAS EXERCISED UNDER. THEY WERE LOOKING AT VIOLATIONS OF CONSTITUTIONAL AND FEDERAL STATUTORY RIGHTS AND THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON A TIME FRAME FROM 2016 TO 2021. SO A FIVE YEAR SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AT LNPD AND AT METRO IN CERTAIN RESPECTS. I THINK YOU ALL ARE ARE WELL AWARE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE MADE UH, A NUMBER OF FINDINGS OF WHAT THEY FELT TO BE EITHER CONSTITUTIONAL OR FEDERAL STATUTORY VIOLATIONS.

I APPEARED BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE LAST YEAR AND WENT THROUGH THOSE IN DETAIL. UM SO I WON'T DO THAT HERE NOW, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE FINDINGS INVOLVED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, INCLUDING EXCESSIVE FORCE, INVALID SEARCHES AND SEIZURES. EXECUTING WARRANTS WITHOUT KNOCKING, UH, STREET ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES THAT VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION. UH, DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC STOPS AND CERTAIN OTHER THINGS LIKE POSSESSION OF SMALL AMOUNTS OF MARIJUANA. UM VIOLATIONS OF FREE SPEECH IN THE CONTEXT OF PEACEFUL PROTESTS AND VIOLATIONS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT WITH RESPECT TO HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTS WITH PEOPLE WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DISABILITIES. DOJ DID NOT MAKE A FINDING ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS, BUT THEY DID EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT LNP D'S RESPONSE TO THOSE AS WELL IN THEIR FINDINGS. REPORT. AS YOU ALL ARE ALSO AWARE OF THE DOJ MADE, UH, 35 RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR REMEDIAL MEASURES. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE IN DETAIL HERE AGAIN TODAY I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THESE SLIDES WITH YOU ON MY PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THOSE, BUT I THINK THAT LIST OF 35 IS IT LOOKS LIKE 36. BUT NUMBER SEVEN WAS A DUPLICATE THAT THAT LIST OF 35 IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THE DOJ IS EXPECTING TO SEE. AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE EXPECTING UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE DOING, UH, AFTER THE CONSENT DECRE IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED. SO I WANNA, UH REMIND EVERYONE ALSO ABOUT AN IMPORTANT DAY LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS MARCH THE 8TH 2023. AND THAT WAS THE DAY THAT, UH, LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. AND WHAT THAT BASICALLY MEANT WAS THAT, UH, LOUISVILLE METRO GOVERNMENT WAS NOT, UH, GOING TO LITIGATE THIS CASE IN COURT. THEY THEY WERE NOT GOING TO FORCE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO PROVE ITS CASE. RATHER UM, METRO MADE THE DECISION THAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO TAKE THE FINDINGS REPORT SERIOUSLY. UH, TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, HARM AND TO AGREE AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIME TO ENTER INTO GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WITH THE GOAL OF GETTING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO A COURT ORDER. IT'S A SPECIAL KIND OF ORDER CALLED A CONSENT DECREE, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE A VERY, VERY LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, METRO GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRED TO DO IN ORDER TO SATISFY A FEDERAL JUDGE. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY PATTERN OR PRACTICE OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IN LOUISVILLE, SO THE DECISION WAS MADE BY THE MAYOR WITH FULL SUPPORT OF THE POLICE CHIEF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOJ AND GET START MOVING TO THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN BE UM WE ALSO EXPLICITLY AGREED IN THERE TO THE APPOINTMENT OF A THIRD PARTY INDEPENDENT MONITOR. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT ROLE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A SECOND BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, BUT THAT WAS ALSO AGREED TO IN ADVANCE SO THAT SO IT'S SETTLED THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CONSENT DECREE WILL INCLUDE THAT MONITOR ROLE. I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. UM THAT, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY AFTER THE INVESTIGATION BEGAN, BUT CERTAINLY CONTINUING ON AFTER THE FINDINGS. REPORT CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED TO TAKE ACTION. I'VE GOT THE DEPUTY CHIEF HERE. HE'S GOING TO JUMP IN IN A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RESTRUCTURING THAT'S HAPPENED TO KIND OF LAY THE GROUNDWORK. MAKE SURE WE'RE READY FOR THE REFORMS. MAKE SURE WE CAN MESH WITH WHAT THE DOJ WANTS TO DO, AND THAT WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND ALL THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY AND ALL THE

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RIGHT PLACES SO WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING FOR IMPLEMENTATION. UH I WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE DID ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. UH, WHO IS HERE WITH US HERE TODAY? WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO TRY TO SIGNAL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT THAT WE IN NO WAY WANT TO IN ANY WAY. SLOW DOWN, UH, THE ROLE OF THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT MOU, UH, WE MADE SURE THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL HAS ACCESS TO, UH, BODY CAM FOOTAGE. UH, DIRECT ACCESS TO THAT AS WELL AS INTERVIEWS WITH POLICE OFFICERS, UM, WHEN THAT IS NECESSARY TO INVESTIGATE A CIVILIAN PLANE. UH SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT SIGNALED OUR GOOD FAITH. AND AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE ALSO HAVE LAUNCHED A NEW WELLNESS CENTER THAT HAS BECOME A NATIONAL MODEL, AND WE'VE GOTTEN ALREADY A NUMBER OF VISITS HERE IN LOUISVILLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND WE FEEL THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE POLICE IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE HEALTHY POLICE OFFICERS, UH, WHO ARE IN THE BEST FRAME OF MIND POSSIBLE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THAT THE PUBLIC IS PROTECTED. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO HAND IT OFF TO, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THINGS THAT ARE, I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CONSENT DECREE IS GOING TO WORK. THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRWOMAN HAWKINS, UH, FOR HAVING US HERE AND, UH, VICE CHAIR, SON, UM, AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS A FEW SLOTS THAT THAT SHOW WHAT SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE PUT FORTH IN EARNEST EVEN PRIOR TO, UH, THE FINDINGS THAT ARE BEING RELEASED BECAUSE WE FIRMLY BELIEVE IN IMPROVEMENT AND LOUIS METRO POLICE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS SAYING WE NEED TO DO IT. THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING WE NEED TO DO IT. UH OR INTERNALLY WE KNOW THAT, UM, IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROCESS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS. SO WE SET UP A SYSTEMS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE TO BOTH ACHIEVE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DESIRES AS WELL AS MEET THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY. UM IN A WAY THAT WOULD SAVE US AS MUCH TIME AND MONEY AS POSSIBLE. SO WE ESTABLISHED THE ACCOUNTABILITY IMPROVEMENT BUREAU, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, UH, INITIALLY REPORTS DIRECTLY TO ME AS A DEPUTY CHIEF, BUT, UM, WE HAVE, UH JOINING US IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS ASSISTANT CHIEF EMILY MCKINLEY, WHO IS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OVER THE BUREAU, AND REPORTING DIRECTLY TO HER, UH COMES FOUR DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OR FOUR DIFFERENT UNITS, UH, THAT ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY OF THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE OR YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT, UH, SO THE TRAINING DIVISION, THE PERFORMANCE DIVISION, UH, THE COMPLIANCE DIVISION AS WELL AS THE FORCE INVESTIGATIONS AND REVIEW UNIT. SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE AND POINT OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE NEW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A TRAINING DIVISION THAT EXISTED BEFORE. UH BUT WE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THE WAY THAT THE TRAINING DIVISION WAS STRUCTURED SO THAT WE COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND HAVE MORE EFFECTIVE TRAINING. UH, FROM THE WAY THAT WE WERE DOING THINGS IN THE PAST, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WAS WE ESTABLISHED AN ACADEMIC UNIT, UH, THAT IS HEADED BY A PHD ACADEMIC DIRECTOR, AND WE HAVE A CURRICULUM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATORS WITHIN THAT UNIT, AND SO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR TRAINING OUR CURRICULUM, OUR MATERIALS ARE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, OFFICERS ARE GETTING THE PROPER EDUCATION AND ARE ABLE TO RETAIN, UM THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TEACHING THEM WITHIN THAT WE ALSO HAVE TWO PHD OFFICERS, ONE SERGEANT AND ONE OFFICER AS PART OF OUR RESEARCH UNIT, A RESEARCH AND IMPROVEMENT AND WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO IS LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS INTO OUR TRAINING? UH, CURRICULUM AS WELL AS EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR TRAININ ON THE STREET, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO IMPLEMENT A NEW POLICY OR A NEW TRAINING THAT WE ARE SEEING THE DESIRED RESULT ON THE STREET, AND SO HOW CAN WE SET THIS UP IN AN ACADEMIC WAY? IN A WAY THAT SHOWS SOME EFFICACY THAT THE EFFORTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH ARE ACTUALLY HAVING THE DESIRED EFFECT, AS OPPOSED TO US EITHER GUESSING OR HAVING TO TAKE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE? UM SO WHEN WE MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, WE CAN HAVE THEM, UH, DEVELOP RESEARCH THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, UH AND THEN THEY ALSO COORDINATE ANY EX RESEARCH THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. SO IF WE'RE WORKING WITH THE UNIVERSITY OR AN OUTSIDE ENTITY TO CONDUCT RESEARCH, UH, THAT'S THE UNIT THAT WOULD WOULD DO THAT. COUPLE OTHER SPOTS THAT I'LL POINT OUT IS COMPLIANCE SUPERVISOR. SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT, UH, EVERYONE ON THE AGENCY AS WELL AS ALL THE SPECIAL UNITS ARE MEETING THE TRAINING STANDARDS THAT THAT WE HAVE SET FORTH. UH, CAREER DEVELOPMENT SUPERVISOR RUNS OUR, UM FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM FOR NEW OFFICERS AS WELL AS UM DEVELOPING OFFICERS THROUGHOUT THEIR CAREER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A TRAINING PROGRAM THAT THAT ACHIEVES THE GOALS THAT THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE. AND THEN ONE OF THE IMPORTANT NEW POSITIONS THAT STRATEGIC, UH, INITIATIVE SUPERVISOR AND WHAT THAT IS THAT IT'S DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD WITH OUR TRAINING, SO THAT EVERY EVERY ASPECT OF OUR TRAINING FROM RECRUIT SCHOOL ALL THE WAY TO THE POINT THAT YOU RETIRE IS,

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UH ALL ALIGNED WITH THE SAME VALUES AND MISSION THROUGHOUT THE PERIOD. SO THE PERFORMANCE DIVISION IS ALMOST COMPLETELY NEWLY CREATED DIVISION AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE THE REFORM FOCUSED DIVISION. UM AND SO WITHIN THAT THERE'S TWO SEPARATE UNITS OF PERFORMANCE UNIT AND THE WELLNESS UNIT. UH, WITHIN THE PERFORMANCE UNIT, WHICH IS RUN BY A LIEUTENANT. YOU HAVE INSPECTIONS AND COMPLIANCE, WHICH DOES A TRADITIONAL INSPECTION AND COMPLIANCE. THAT WAS THE ONLY PRE EXISTING UNIT SO EVERY UNIT IN HERE THAT IS IN GOLD IS COMPLETELY NEW. UH, WITHIN THE PERFORMANCE, WE ALSO HAVE AUDITS, UH, PERFORM AUDITS IS ONE OF OUR OUR HE, UM, STRUCTURES THAT WE'VE CREATED A VERY KEY UNIT. UH, WE HAVE SEVEN CIVILIAN AUDITORS THAT REVIEW BODY CAMERA, UH, FOR DIFFERENT ISSUES, ANDHEY SCORE OUT BASICALLY WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICIES AND THE TRAINING THAT WE'VE SET FORTH AND THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CREATES THE FEEDBACK LOOP. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OFFICER PERFORMANCE, UH AND WE'RE ABLE TO EVALUATE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE INFORMATION BACK TO SUPERVISORS AT A TIMELY FASHION TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING.

THESE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN CORRECT. AND THEN WE CAN FEED THAT BACK TO TRAINING AND SAY, DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO OUR TRAINING OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO OUR POLICY BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE STREET? AND SO THAT AUDIT UNIT IS VERY IMPORTANT FROM THAT STANDPOINT? THEN YOU HAVE THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW BOARD, WHICH IS ALSO NEW, AND THIS IS EVALUATING CRITICAL INCIDENTS, PRIMARILY AS WELL AS OTHER USE OF FORCE OR SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS AS DETERMINED BY THE CHIEF, AND THIS IS MADE UP OF A BOARD OF OFFICERS, UH, WITH DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS FROM AROUND THE AGENCY AS WELL AS METRO SAFE, UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, MENTAL HEALTH THAT INCLUDES OUR ACADEMIC DIRECTOR INCLUDES OUR EQUITY AND DIVERSITY OFFICER, AND SO WE EVALUATE THESE FOR PERFORMANCE ISSUES. IT'S NOT A PUNITIVE. IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM, UH P. OR PSU, UH, BUT WHAT THIS IS DOING IS LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF OFFICERS DURING CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND DETERMINING HOW WE CAN MAKE, UH IMPROVEMENTS OR CHANGES TO OUR TRAINING POLICY, UH, OR SUPERVISION AND HOW THOSE THINGS MIGHT HAVE AFFECTED THE OUTCOME OF, UH, PARTICULAR INCIDENTS. UH, WHEN YOU LOOK OVER IN OUR WELLNESS UNIT, WHICH, UH, MR KAPLAN MENTIONED, UH, THAT'S ONE OF OUR NEWLY CREATED UNITS AS WELL. WE FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT BOTH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF OFFICERS IS CRITICAL TO, UH, THEIR PERFORMANCE ON THE STREET AND HOW WE INTERACT. WITH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SO WE REALLY WANT TO DEDICATE OURSELVES TO MAKING SURE THAT OFFICERS ARE PHYSICALLY MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY AND FINANCIALLY HEALTHY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT UNIT IS DEDICATED TO AND THEN OUR IMPLEMENTATION UNIT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE, UH UH, PLANNING AND STRATEGIC PLANNING UNITS FOR, UH, CONSENT TO SECURITY COMPLIANCE, SO OUR COMPLIANCE COORDINATORS WILL TAKE EVERY ASPECT OF THAT CONSENT DECREE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY COORDINATE WITH, UH, EVERY ENTITY BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY TO LNPD, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON TRACK TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE IN A TIMELY FASHION OF THE CONSENT DECREE. UH, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IS OUR OUR POLICY WRITING UNIT. UM, WHICH ALREADY PREEXISTED. AND THEN OUR EQUITY AND DIVERSITY UNIT, WHICH IS, UM UM MINERVA VAROLA, WHO IS RETIRED FROM HERE AND THEN THE FBI HAS COME BACK TO LEAD OUR EQUITY AND DIVERSITY EFFORTS. OUR FORCE INVESTIGATION REVIEW UNIT IS ACTUALLY A NEW UNIT THAT HAS JUST BEEN STOOD UP IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO. UM AND WHAT IT IS DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF OUR USES OF FORCE ARE REVIEWED AND EVALUATE IT IN A CONSISTENT MANNER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECOGNIZED WAS THAT WE HAD AN INCONSISTENT TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS AND EVALUATIONS ABOUT SUPERVISORS AT THE FRONT LINE LEVEL, SO THIS IS STANDARDIZING HOW WE CONDUCT USE OF FORCE INVESTIGATIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE EVALUATIONS UH NOT. THAT FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED, UM, IS DONE IN A CONSISTENT MANNER AND CURRENTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY ARE TRAINING THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT ON UNDERSTANDING CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS FOR USE OF FORCE OUR POLICY ON USE OF FORCE IN THE LAW AND THEN HOW TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT A STREET LEVEL USE OF FORCE INVESTIGATION AND THEN WRITE THAT IN ARTICULABLE WAY SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE INCIDENTS. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A CRITICAL PIECE FOR US, UH, GOING FORWARD.

UM IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT UNIT IS TRAINING SUPERVISORS RIGHT NOW, BUT OUR OUR TRAINING UNIT IS ACTUALLY TRAINING EVERYONE ON THE DEPARTMENT AND UNDERSTANDING THE SAME THING. SO HOW WE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO USE OF FORCE. AND THEN LASTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL I'LL SHOW YOU IS, UH, OUR POLICY, UH, REVISION PROCESS SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WITHIN THAT, UH , OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE CHANGED POLICY SIGNIFICANTLY AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE NUMBERS FOR 2023. BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, I THINK WE ENDED UP WITH 78. I'M SORRY. 68 POLICY REVISIONS IN 2023 1 OF THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED

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ON OUR WEBSITE IS A POLICY FEEDBACK MECHANISM. SO IF YOU GO TO OUR MAIN WEBSITE YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT POLICY FEEDBACK BUTTON, AND ANY TIME WE UPDATE POLICY, THAT POLICY IS POSTED THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE AND COMMENT ON THOSE SPECIFIC POLICY UPDATES AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. UH IT ALSO GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY AT ANY POINT TO COMMENT ON ANY POLICY AND GIVE US FEEDBACK AND THEN WE TRACK THAT, UH, THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE GET AND HOW WE IMPLEMENT THAT IN THE POLICY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO NOT HAVE IN HERE. UM BUT AS IMPORTANT AS HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED AND CHANGED SOME OF OUR TECHNOLOGY, UH, PARTICULARLY OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO, UH, COLLECT THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO, UH, IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE CONSENT DECREE, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, BUT GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE AN AGENCY THAT UNDERSTANDS HOW TO USE DATA TO IMPROVE OFFICER PERFORMANCE. UH WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO IS BEING AN AGENCY. THAT'S THAT'S MUCH MORE LIKE AN ATHLETIC TEAM. UM, YOU WOULD EXPECT YOUR YOUR TEAM THAT YOU FOLLOW TO USE VIDEO TO USE DATA TO USE STATISTICS IN ORDER TO IMPROVE HOW THEY PERFORM AND WE WANT, WE WANT TO BE THE SAME WAY AND THAT'S CREATING THAT THAT CULTURE OF FEEDBACK AND IMPROVEMENT AND THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF IT THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON SO LIGHTS WERE IN THE WE'RE ON THE HOME STRETCH HERE OF OUR PRESENTATIONS. YOU'LL JUST ALLOW ME A FEW MORE MINUTES. I THINK THERE'S A FEW IMPORTANT POINTS THAT, UH, WE FEEL IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WE ALL WISH WAS A SHORTER PROCESS THAN IT IS, BUT IT'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE GOTTEN RIGHT. UM JUST TO HELP EXPLAIN WHAT A CONSENT DECREE IS, UM, IT'S EASILY EXPLAINED JUST AS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. YOU GOT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THREATENING LITIGATION AND US DISTRICT COURT AGAINST METRO AND LNP D. THIS IS A SETTLEMENT. THIS IS A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT THAT'S ENTERED INTO TO AVOID HAVING TO GO TO COURT AND HAVE A TRIAL. IMPORTANTLY THIS IS A SPECIAL KIND OF COURT ORDER BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THAT. LNPD AGREES WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THEY HAVE TO GET. UH, A JUDGE A FEDERAL JUDGE TO SIGN HIS OR HER NAME TO THE COURT ORDER TO AGREE TO ENFORCE ITS TERMS AND TO HOLD BOTH PARTIES TO THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THAT AGREEMENT, UM IF YOU ALL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE DONE CONSENT DECREES, AND I BELIEVE THE DOJ AT THEIR TOWN HALL ON MONDAY ENCOURAGED FOLKS TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE SAMPLES SO THEY CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER NEGOTIATION. IT'S A LONG DOCUMENT, IT CAN GO PAST 100 PAGES QUITE EASILY. IT'S GOT A LOT OF DETAIL. YOU SAW THE 35 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REMEDIAL MEASURES THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PUT IN ITS FINDINGS REPORT. IF YOU IMAGINE, YOU KNOW , 20 OR 30 PARAGRAPHS FURTHER FLESHING OUT, YOU KNOW EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. SOME OF THEM ARE SIMPLER. SOME OF THEM ARE MORE COMPLICATED, BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT SETTING UP PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT, UH, WILL GUIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN IMPROVEMENT AND THEN ALLOW A THIRD PARTY MONITOR AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO MONITOR WHETHER, UH, THOSE, UH, PROCESS CHANGES AND THE EXPECTED OUTCOMES FROM THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BEING ACHIEVED. AND SO IT HAS TO BE GOTTEN RIGHT BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE GOALPOSTS THAT YOU CAN KICK THE BALL THROUGH AND KNOW. KNOW WHAT YOU'RE AIMING AT, UH AND IT'S GOT TO BE WITH ALL OF THE STRUCTURE THAT THAT MR HUMPHREY JUST WENT THROUGH, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IT'S EFFICIENT BECAUSE IF WHAT THE DOJ WANTS IS NOT MATCHED UP VERY CAREFULLY WITH THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RAPID SUCCESS THAT WE HOPE THAT AND EXPECT TO ACHIEVE. UM THAT CONSENT DECREE. LIKE I SAID, IT'S A COURT ORDER, SO THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY WILL BE UNDER A FEDERAL COURT ORDER. FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO SATISFY THAT JUDGE THAT THE PATTERN OR PRACTICE NO LONGER EXISTS. AND SO THAT CAN TAKE, UH YEARS TO ACHIEVE AND IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, IT HAS TAKEN YEARS. OUR GOAL IS FOR IT TO TAKE AS LONG AS IT TAKES, BUT NOT TO FALL INTO. UH UH, THE PATTERN OF THINGS GOING ON LONGER THAN THAN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE. SO I THINK OUR ENTIRE TEAM IS COMMITTED TO GETTING THIS AGREEMENT. EXACTLY RIGHT. UH, SO THAT WE CAN BE EFFICIENT. AND SUCCESSFUL. UM THIS DECREE WILL INVOLVE AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR. UM THAT BASICALLY OPERATES AS AN ARM OF THE DISTRICT COURT. SO THINK OF THE MONITOR AS BEING AN ENTITY THAT'S HUMAN BEINGS ARE GONNA BE THE ONES PARTICIPATING ON ITS TEAM. BUT IT'S AN ENTITY. UH, THAT IS AN OFFICER OF THE COURT.

SO IT IT, UH, OPERATES AS AN ARM OF THE COURT. IT'S ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COURT THAT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO REPORT TO THE COURT AND IN THIS CASE TO ALSO REPORT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. UH, THE APPROVAL PROCESS. UH, AND THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. I WANTED TO OUTLINE THOSE, UH, AS

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EVERYONE I THINK IS AWARE AND IT IS FRUSTRATING. I KNOW, UH, TO MANY FOLKS IS THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS MUST OCCUR CONFIDENTIALLY. THAT'S PER DOJ DIRECTION. THE NEGOTIATIONS WILL TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME. UNFORTUNATELY IT TOOK, I THINK APPROXIMATELY 10 MONTHS FOR US TO EVEN GET A DRAFT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. UM I DON'T KNOW WHY IT TOOK THAT LONG. UH, BUT THEN AT THE POINT THAT WE RECEIVED IT, WE JUMPED INTO NEGOTIATIONS AND THOSE HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN EARNEST EVER SINCE THAT TIME, BUT I THINK FOLKS SHOULD JUST ACCEPT THAT THE TIME OF NEGOTIATION WILL DEFINITELY BE MEASURED IN MONTHS. AND UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS. VERY QUICKLY. UM ONCE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND METRO GOVERNMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT REQUIREMENTS THE DEFENDANTS WILL BE UNDER. THEN THEY JOINTLY PROPOSE THAT TO THE DISTRICT COURT, SO, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL FILE A COMPLAINT. AGAINST METRO AND THE LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE SAME KIND OF COMPLAINT THEY WOULD HAVE FILED IF THEY HAD HAD TO TRY THEIR CASE, BUT THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND FILE THAT THEN THE PARTIES WILL PROPOSE THE SETTLEMENT TO ADDRESS THAT THAT WILL BE FILED IN COURT. IT WILL BE IN A PUBLIC DOCKET. IT WILL BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, AND I'M QUITE SURE THAT IT WILL BE OUT INTO THE PUBLIC REALM. UH, SHORTLY AFTER IT'S FILED WITH THE COURT. UM, AS I INDICATED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, THE BALL IS IN THE COURTS COURT.

UH TO, UH, DECIDE WHETHER TO SIGN IT AS AS IT'S PROPOSED, AND IT'S UP TO THE JUDGE TO DECIDE WHAT IF ANY, PROCESS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND THAT, AND SO THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE JUDGE, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT JUDGES THAT COULD DRAW THE CONSENT DECREE. BUT I KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHO DRAWS IT, THEY WILL ALL BE, UM, ENGAGED AND REVIEW IT VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE SIGNING IT. UM. AFTER THAT AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR WILL BE SELECTED. THERE WILL BE A PROCESS FOR THAT. AND I'M JUST IN A COUPLE MINUTES. I'M GONNA JUST GO THROUGH SOME BASIC PRINCIPLES THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS PUT OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT INDEPENDENT MONITORS SO THAT FOLKS CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHAT TO EXPECT THERE EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T GET INTO DETAILS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED ON THAT, UH ONCE, UH, THE DECREE HAS BEEN ENTERED, AND THE MONITOR IS SELECTED. THE CONSENT DECREE GOES INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION STAGE, AND IT CONTINUES LIKE THAT UNTIL IT'S COMPLETED. COMMUNITY INPUT IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS CONTINUALLY EMPHASIZED THAT, UM THEY AGREED TO HAVE MORE TOWN HALLS AND LISTENING SESSIONS HERE IN LOUISVILLE. THEY HAD THEIR FIRST ONE ON MONDAY BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS THERE TO BE, UH FORUM FOR SUBSTANTIVE INPUT, AND THEY EXPECT THAT INPUT TO BE TAKEN BACK INTO THE NEGOTIATION ROOM. THE, UM AS I INDICATED THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CONSENT DECREE BEFORE IT'S ENTERED BY THE FEDERAL COURT. AND WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES ALSO TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THE CONSENT DECREE PROCESS AS IT UNFOLDS. AND WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD ON THAT, IN PART IS WITH THE INDEPENDENT MONITOR, SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT, UH, EITHER TO ASK ME OR, UH TO, UH, JUST GOOGLE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, INDEPENDENT MONITOR, UH, GUIDANCE AND YOU WILL FIND A DOCUMENT THAT WAS RELEASED ON SEPTEMBER. THE 13TH 2021 THAT INDICATES THE GENERAL POLICY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TOWARDS INDEPENDENT MONITORS. UH THAT MEMO, AND I'M GONNA STICK CLOSELY TO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. IT PROVIDES THAT MOST CONSENT DECREES, AND THIS WOULD BE ONE PROVIDE FOR AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR. AND HERE'S THE ROLE TO CONSTANTLY REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK CONCERNING METRO AND LNP D'S PROGRESS. TOWARD FOR COMPLIANCE. SO YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THE DEPUTY CHIEF TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING ALREADY. UM, THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO THOSE THINGS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONSENT DECREE. THEN THERE AT THE MOMENT WHETHER THEY'RE READY FOR REVIEW. THERE WILL BE AUDITS. THERE WILL BE REVIEW. UM I WOULD DEFER THE DEPUTY CHIEF ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THAT MIGHT UNFOLD, BUT THERE WILL BE A DETERMINATION AS TO PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE, AND NEITHER PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.

OR IT HASN'T BEEN THE MONITOR. WILL SO LET ME GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. THE KEY THING ABOUT THE MONITOR IS IT'S AN OFFICER OF THE COURT, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A NEUTRAL ARBITER OF COMPLIANCE. SO IT'S NOT, UH, TAKING THE SIDE OF DOJ. IT'S NOT TAKING THE SIDE OF LOUISVILLE METRO. IT'S TAKING THE SIDE OF THE COURT, AND THE COURT'S OBLIGATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPLETELY ENFORCED AND THAT IT'S BULL THAT THERE'S FULL COMPLIANCE. THE MONITOR HAS TO

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BE INDEPENDENT, HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND FREE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. AND THAT'S AGAIN SET FORTH IN THE DOJ S MEMO OF GUIDANCE. UH, THE MEMO INDICATES THAT IT'S A BEST PRACTICE FOR THERE TO BE COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THE MONITOR SELECTION. SO UH, I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT A MONITOR WILL JUST BE ANNOUNCED, AND NO ONE'S EVER HEARD OF THAT. BEFORE THE I WOULD ANTICIPATE THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THAT SELECTION PROCESS. UH, BEFORE ANYTHING IS FINALIZED. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS ALSO INDICATED THAT THE MONITOR SHOULD BE, UH, MAKING REGULAR REPORTS AND ASSESSMENTS AND THOSE THOSE SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC. UH THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS MECHANISMS. UH, SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN DETERMINE WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN AN IMPROVEMENT AND HOW THAT DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE. AND UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS ALSO INDICATED THAT A MONITOR SHOULD HAVE ONGOING COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY ON A REGULAR BASIS. UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND METRO THAT THEY'RE TALKING TO, OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, BUT THAT THEY'RE ALSO TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT THAT'S THE END OF OUR FORMAL PRESENTATION. I HOPE THAT HELPS EXPLAIN IN A BROAD BRUSH FASHION , UH, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO. AND WITH THAT, I GUESS WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OK I'LL START. UM I JUST WANNA HIT GET STRAIGHT TO IT. SO UM I WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR ON, UH, ALLOWING NOT JUST THE, UM YOU KNOW THE THIS COMMITTEE BUT THE PUBLIC FOR EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHING. UM SO THE DLJ DOES NOTHING BUT SEND RECOMMENDATIONS. CORRECT. WOULD WE BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T? UM I HAD A CONVERSATION. I'M ASKING THIS AND I ASKED FOR THEM TO BE HERE TODAY. UM AND I DON'T THINK NO ONE IS HEARD FROM THE DOJ. UM BUT AFTER, UM, A LONG, LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH HIM YESTERDAY, UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FROM A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE SOLELY RELYING ON THE J TO, UM NOT JUST INVESTIGATE, NOT JUST TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT TO ALSO RECOMMEND, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, REALLY SEVERE, UM. SOLUTIONS TO BAD POLICING. SO THIS WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. UM AND AFTER TALKING WITH THE DOJ YESTERDAY, UM, I DIDN'T GET THAT. WHAT I GOT WAS IS WE DON'T ABSOLUTELY DO ANYTHING BUT JUST W. WE RECOMMEND TRAINING THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT I WANNA KNOW STRAIGHT OFF THE BAT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE HAVING THESE COMMUNITY FORUMS AND THE COMMUNITY FORUMS THAT I HAVE ALREADY ATTENDED TO ME IS TO SILENCE THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT A FORMAL COMMUNITY MEETING LIKE I AM REQUIRED TO HAVE IF I HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING IF I HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM YOU KNOW, IT'S EVERYBODY'S OUT HERE. YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THIS SETTING. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, UM, EVERYONE'S PLACED IN GROUPS, MAYBE 12 PEOPLE TO A GROUP. UM AND EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN TOPICS. THAT'S NOT A COMMUNITY MEETING. SO THESE MEETINGS REALLY AREN'T COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO ME THERE TO, YOU KNOW TO NOT REALLY HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY. UH AND WE'RE REALLY JUST AND I'M GONNA SAY WORD BECAUSE I AM A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE REALLY JUST, UH, B. WE WE'RE HOPING AND PRAYING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING THESE THINGS BACK ARE REALLY TAKING THEM BACK. AND THEY DON'T HAVE PENS AND PAPERS AND THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO INTAKE. AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS THERE. UM SO I'M GONNA SAY THAT.

SO WHO IS GONNA HOLD? UH LNPD ACCOUNTABLE. SO TALKING TO THE DOJ, UM THEY SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ADMINISTRATION OR THAT WOULD BE THE CHIEF. SO IT IT IT SO WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, OR WHEN A OFFICERS ARE BAD ACTORS, UH OR WHEN WE WANNA SEE, UH I'M JUST GONNA USE THIS FOR AN EXAMPLE. UH, BECAUSE AS MY CULTURE ALWAYS SAYS, WE NEED TO HEAL THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THEIR BEATING. SO I DO WANNA SAY THAT, OK, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT WHAT

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IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY TRUST LNPD MOVING FORWARD? UM WHAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR US TO FEEL LIKE THAT, IF THIS ACT IF THESE ACTS HAPPEN AGAIN, LIKE WHO ARE WE GONNA RELY ON? NOBODY'S BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE? SO IS IT I NEED THE ANSWER TO IS IT THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE NEED TO PUT THE HEAT ON? BECAUSE YESTERDAY THE DOJ SAID THAT THEY DON'T THEY DON'T RECOMMEND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH UM, TERMINATION OR ANY OF THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE BAD ACTORS THAT DO THINGS LIKE THE SLUSHY GATES YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UM FORGE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE NOT HELD TO THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITY THAT A REGULAR CITIZEN IT IS AND I JUST WANNA KNOW. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE DOJ IS BEING UH, THIS MIDDLE PERSON AND THE COMMUNITY IS SOLELY RELIANT ON THEM WHEN IT'S NOT THEM. IT'S WHO'S GONNA GIVE WHO'S GONNA BE THAT HARD PERSON TO SAY. LOOK, THIS IS YOU KNOW YOU'RE TERMINATED. WHO'S GONNA BE THE YOU KNOW, IS IT? THE MAYOR? IS IT THE CHIEF? I WANNA KNOW WHO IS THE PERSON THAT SAYS THIS IS IT? YOU KNOW HARDER PUNISHMENTS FOR, UM LNPD. THEY SHOULD THEY PUT ON THEIR PANTS THE SAME WAY WE DO. YOU KNOW WHEN WE COMMIT A CRIME, UM, AND NO MATTER WHAT CAPACITY YOU SIT IN, YOU SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME GROUNDS AND LEVEL FIELDS AND IT'S LIKE LNPD IS BEING PROTECTED, YOU KNOW? YOU WHEN? WHEN WHEN YOU SWORE UNDER OATH. WE TRUST YOU, UH, SO I JUST YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE BACK AND I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FEED. UH NOT ONLY, UH , AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM. IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT IT AFFECTS. YOU KNOW IT AFFECTS MA.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL MY OTHER COLLEAGUES. SO, UM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I JUST DON'T WANT THE, UM DOJ TO BE LIKE THE MIDDLE PERSON WHEN THEY'RE JUST THE PERSON AT THE MEDIATOR. I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION. IT IS THE CHIEF THAT MAKES THOSE DECISIONS TO GET RID OF OFFICERS THAT ARE BAD ACTORS. IT'S NOT THE DOJ IS THAT IT WOULD. WOULD THAT BE FAIR TO SAY. CHAIRWOMAN YES, I. I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. AND I'LL LET UH, DEPUTY CHIEF, UH, JUMP IN HERE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA STATE MY VIEW THAT, YOU KNOW. ULTIMATELY IT'S GOT TO BE THE CHIEF AND THE COMMAND STAFF AND ALL THE WAY DOWN LIEUTENANT SERGEANTS DOWN TO THE PATROL OFFICERS. THERE'S GOT TO BE THAT CHAIN OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT THE LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS IT TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, AND THAT IMPOSES DISCIPLINE UP TO INCLUDING TERMINATION IN CASES WHERE IT'S WARRANTED OR CRIMINAL CHARGES THAT THAT THAT THAT HAS TO THAT HAS TO RESIDE IN LNPD.

NOW THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOESN'T JUST LAY BACK AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. Y'ALL SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB HOLDING FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE THAT THAT THEY HAVE A MUCH LARGER HAMMER THAN THAT.

UH THEY THEY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY HAVE PROPOSED A CONSENT DECREE. NOW YOU COULD CALL THAT A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT IT'S A LOT STRONGER THAN A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S A IT'S A PROPOSAL AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE. IN THERE. NOW THERE WILL BE REVIEWS AND PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS AND AUDITS DONE WITH RESPECT TO HOW IS LNPD. HOW ARE THEY DRAFTING THEIR POLICIES? HOW ARE THEY TRAINING PEOPLE ON THOSE? HOW ARE THEY MAKING SURE THAT 1000 PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND OPERATE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY? AND HOW DO THEY MAKE SURE THAT THAT IN CASES WHERE LINES ARE CROSSED, AND CON MISCONDUCT OCCURS THAT PROPER DISCIPLINE OCCURS. THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EVALUATION OF THAT. AND IF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND ALSO THERE'S THIS INDEPENDENT MONITOR , BUT THERE ARE TWO KIND OF WATCHDOGS HERE. THERE'S THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WHO REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE. AND THERE'S THE, UH, MONITOR WHO REPRESENTS THE COURT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING THAT, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS A HAMMER. THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I'M SORRY THAT'S IN.

THAT'S IN THE COURTS, RIGHT? IT IS IN COURT, BUT IT'S ALL IT'S ALL CONNECTED BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WAS INITIATING LITIGATION IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE PRACTICES THAT LNPD. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS INSTEAD OF GETTING A COURT ORDER TO FORCE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO A LONG LIST OF THINGS UNDER PENALTY OF CONTEMPT AND SANCTIONS. THE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, UH METRO AGREED VOLUNTARILY TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS, SO ULTIMATELY THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE THE ACTION. BUT IF THAT DOESN'T OCCUR, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS THE OPTION OF GOING TO COURT FOR ENFORCEMENT. SO THEY THEY HAVE A HAVE A HAMMER AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS EVERY INCENTIVE TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING IN THE CONSENT DECREE. AND IF THAT'S

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DONE, THEN THE PROBLEMS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GET ADDRESSED BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING. AND DISCIPLINE AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS PART OF THAT. BUT UH, DEPUTY CHIEF, CAN YOU MAYBE ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CONSENT DECREE AND THE ACTUAL OUTCOME OF APPROPRIATE DISCIPLINE? YES MA'AM. SO FIRST, I'LL START BY SAYING THAT A ACCOUNTABILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY I . I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE PARADIGM AROUND ACCOUNTABILITY RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S TWO FORMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY. RIGHT? DISCIPLINE IS A FORM OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND IT'S A IT'S A FORM THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. WE HAVE TO BE BE WILLING TO ENABLE TO DISCIPLINE OFFICERS WHEN THAT'S ME UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION, AS YOU SAID, BUT THE OTHER ASPECT OF ACCOUNTABILITY IS HOW DO YOU IMPROVE? PERFORMANCE AND BEHAVIOR, AND WE HAVE TO PART OF THAT'S A CULTURE THING IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH LOOKING AT EACH OTHER AND SAYING, UH, YOU MESSED UP. THIS IS HOW YOU MESSED UP IS HOW I'M GONNA HELP YOU GET BETTER, RIGHT? AND SO THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS A DISCIPLINARY MECHANISM. BUT WHAT THAT IS BEING UNACCEPTING OF POOR PERFORMANCE WITH EACH OTHER. THAT'S PEER TO PEER. AND THAT'S SUPERVISOR THAT , UM TO SUBORDINATE. UH, THAT MAN SAID THE CONSENT DECREE IS GOING ULTIMATELY YOU YOU, YOUR ANSWER IS THE CHIEF RIGHT. YOUR ANSWER IS THE COMMAND STAFF. IS WHO IS GOING TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE? OK UH, I'M IN AN APPOINTMENT POSITION. THE CHIEF IS IN A POINTED POSITION AND WE CAN BE MOVED OUT AT ANY TIME WHEN THE MAYOR SAYS, UH, YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB WELL. OK SO HONESTLY, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. BUT I'LL I'LL EX. UH, YES. AND SO, UH, ULTIMATELY, THE BUCK STOPS WITH US, UH, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THAT HAPPENS. AND HOW THAT CAN SET TO CARE AFFECTS THAT RIGHT. SO UM, AS AS AN INVESTIGATION GOES THROUGH THE CONSENT DECREE IS GOING TO LAY OUT CERTAIN, UH, PARAMETERS FOR OUR POLICY, OUR TRAINING AND THEN OUR ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISMS. RIGHT SO WE HAVE AN ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, UM, AND IT'LL MAKE SOME SOME CHANGES TO THAT ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM. HOW WE INVESTIGATE THINGS. HOW WE HAVE FINDINGS ON ON THOSE INVESTIGATIONS, WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT WE ARE NOT ADHERING TO THAT POLICY, AND WE'RE NOT ADHERING TO THAT PRACTICE OF INVESTIGATING THINGS APPROPRIATELY INTERNALLY AND THAT OUR FINDINGS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THEN WE ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSENT DECREE AND THE COURT CAN ENFORCE IT AT THAT POINT. UH, SO IF THAT MAKES SENSE, IT'S IT. IT SETS UP THE PROCESS, AND THEN IT HOLDS US ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PROCESS. ULTIMATELY THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF AND THE COMMAND STAFF. BUT IT'S OUR DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ADHERING TO THAT PROCESS SO WE DON'T GET TO THAT POINT. YOU GAVE ME A LOT MORE CLARITY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHO IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY THINKING THAT IT'S THE DOJ, AND THAT'S NOT IT. SO IT'S THE CHIEF AND IT'S THE MAYOR. SO I'M GONNA PASS IT FORWARD TO, UH NO, I'M GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. TAKE BOTH. YEAH, GO AHEAD. YOU GOT FOUR. THANK YOU, MONSIEUR. UM MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT HOW HOW WAS THE UM CIVILIAN REVIEW AND ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS? SO THEY ARE. THEY ARE NOT A PARTY TO THE NEGOTIATIONS. UH, SO CURRENTLY THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. UH, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE. AND AS FAR AS HOW IT FACTORS INTO THE OVERALL PROCESS. IT'S IMPORTANT PART OF THE PICTURE AS FAR AS, UH, HOW POLICING OCCURS AND, UH WHAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT THERE IS. SO THE COUNCIL DID CREATE THAT BODY FOR VERY GOOD REASONS A FEW YEARS AGO, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN RUNNING, IT'S BEEN DOING ITS JOB. THERE'S AN OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL THAT THAT DOES INVESTIGATIONS AND SO, UH, THAT IS, UM, IT IS AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY. UH IT CAN RECEIVE, UH, COMPLAINTS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC. IT CAN ACT UPON THOSE, AND, UH, THE POLICE. DEPARTMENT DOES NOT, UM NOR A OTHER ACTOR AND METRO CONTROLS WHAT THAT ENTERPRISE DOES. SO UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RAISE AWARENESS THAT THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD EXISTS AND THAT IT IS AN AVENUE FOR FOLKS THAT WANT A DIFFERENT PLACE TO RAISE ISSUES NOW. THING YOU KNOW, DOJ POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES IN THE WAY THAT COMPLAINTS ARE RECEIVED AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THE DOJ WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. SO THERE ARE IT'S NOT JUST THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, BUT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT SEPARATE ENTITY AND IT IT'S A BIG PART OF THE OF THE OF THE IT'S. IT'S. IT'S PART OF THE BIG PICTURE OF CREATING POLICING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS CONFIDENCE IN THAT THEY TRUST SO OUR OUR INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD ARE OUR WATCHDOG WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PROCESS AND THE ROLL OUT THEY ARE OUR WATCHDOG. WE DO HAVE A CIVILIAN REVIEW ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD AND THAT BOARD IS COMPRISED OF CIVILIANS. AM I CORRECT? YES SO AND THEY'RE

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GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IN HOW THIS IS ROLLED OUT AND LIKE YOU SAID, UH, ANY CONCERNS THEY'RE ADDRESSED, AND THEY'RE IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH YOU ALL CONSTANTLY CORRECT. YES AND I. I THINK WE'VE DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB OF WORKING WITH AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE OFFICERS OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. UM OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. I THINK WE'VE WE'VE PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WELL WITH THEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UM, COUNCILMAN REED, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? UH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH, THAT HAD A QUESTION. UH FOR MR KAPLAN . I KNOW THAT, UM THE CITY OF BALTIMORE HAS HAD A CONSENT DECREE FOR MANY YEARS. HO. HOW LONG DO THESE CONSENT DECREES IF YOU IF YOU KNOW HOW LONG DO THEY NORMALLY LAST? UH AND? AND CAN YOU PREDICT IF WE DO EVERYTHING, IF WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IF WE PASS THE AUDITS IS THERE A UM , ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU FEEL AS THOUGH WE'RE GONNA BE UNDER A CONSENT DECREE BEST CASE SCENARIO. YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION, BECAUSE THE TRACK RECORD OF POST PRESIDENT OBAMA CONSENT DECREES ISN'T IN MY OPINION, GREAT IN REGARD TO HOW LONG IT TAKES. I MEAN, I THINK BALTIMORE IS APPROACHING 10 YEARS NOW. IS THAT RIGHT? THEY'RE AT 8.5, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE IN UNDER 10 . SO THERE II. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A STRONG RECENT PRECEDENT FOR UM, THESE PROCESSES, UH, OCCURRING QUICKLY , SO I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYBODY WITH THAT IMPRESSION. I THINK OUR WE ARE COMMITTED. AND I THINK WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN THE DOJ S ATTENTION IN THIS REGARD. WE ARE COMMITTED TO NOT JUST BEATING THE AVERAGE BUT BEATING IT BY A LOT. UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE BEING SO CAREFUL AND INTENTIONAL WITH HOW MUCH WE PREPARE, UH, FOR THESE CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE, UH, WE THIS MAYOR WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT KIND OF TIME FRAME. UM SO, UH, AS FAR AS AN ESTIMATE, I MEAN, I, I FEAR UH, COUNCILMAN I. I FEAR THAT I CANNOT GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE. UM BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO GET TO BE THE TO BE THE OUTLIER TO BE THE JURISDICTION. THAT WITHIN THE LAST 10 OR 20 YEARS, THAT THAT GETS THIS DONE IN IN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME, BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD, UH, TO PAY AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR, UH, VERY LARGE SUMS OF MONEY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WHEN WE'VE GOT OTHER PRESSING NEEDS LIKE PARKS AND LIARIES, AND, UH, ANY NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT THAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXPECT YOU ALL TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. AND SO WE HAVE A SENSE OF URGENCY TO GET IT DONE QUICKLY. BUT I, I JUST CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE.

IT WILL BE MEASURED IN YEARS. UM, BUT NOWHERE CLOSE TO A DECADE IS OUR GOAL. OK AND I. I APPRECIATE Y BEI CAND WH MEND Y KNOW, WE OBVISL E ATHEAME TIME, I'MHTT CONCERNED, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR IS PROBABLY AS WELL. THAT, UH THE COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO COME TO LOUISVILLE AND WE HAVE A SITUATION NOW WHERE COMPANIES ARE LEADING POLITICAL POTENTIALLY BUT THEY LOOK AT CONSENT DECREES. NOT VERY FAVORABLY. SO, UM I APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING AGGRESSIVE AND WANTING TO GET US OUT OF THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND BTI THAT AVERAGE. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE A COMMENT RELATED TO, UH THE COUNCILMAN'S QUESTION? UM BEYOND BEYOND JUST THE NEED FINANCIALLY AND, UH, TO GET OUT OF THIS IN A QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME. I. I THINK WHAT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE IS THAT NO, NO ONE WANTS TO DO THEIR JOB POORLY . EVERY OFFICER ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO DO THEIR JOB WELL, AND THEY THEY GENERALLY DO THEIR JOB. WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, REALLY, REALLY GOOD, HARD WORKING POLICE OFFICERS, AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, NONE OF US WANT TO BE LOOKED AT AS AN AGENCY THAT HABITUALLY VIOLATES RIGHTS. AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW AND VALIDATE THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE DO AND IMPROVE THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF GETTING OUT OF THIS GETTING OUT THIS MEANS THAT WE HAVE, UH, AN INDEPENDENT PARTY THAT IS SAYING THAT WE'RE DOING POLICING THE RIGHT WAY. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US. WE UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMIC EFFECTS AND THE IMPACT ON THE CITY FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT FROM HOW WE THE COMMUNITY SEES THIS. THAT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY SEES THIS AS AS AN ENTITY THAT THEY CAN TRUST AND RELY ON. AND TO YOUR POINT IF I JUST SAID THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, UH DOWN DOWNGRADE THAT PART OF IT. UH, I'M HOPE VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET THE REFORMS THAT WE NEED. AND ASSUAGE AND PASS THE AUDITS AND

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DO IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. YES, SIR. COUNCILWOMAN SHAMIKA PRICE, RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I FIRST WANT TO SAY THAT THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE COMING FROM CONSTITUENTS.

PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN CIVIL UNREST AND MYSELF, BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE INTERNAL CHANGES. YOU ARE ALREADY PARTICIPATING IN AND MADE. I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, MR HUMPHRIES, AND ALSO MR KAPLAN , THE OVERVIEW. I KNOW WE'VE MET WITH THE MAYOR AND YOU GET IT GIVES YOU GAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. BUT, UM, LIKE THE MADAM CHAIR, SAYING WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THE QUESTIONS AND PEOPLE EXPECT US TO HAVE CERTAIN ANSWERS. UM I ONE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION TALKED ABOUT SEVEN CIVILIANS WHO ARE CHOSEN AS AUDITORS AS PART OF YOUR YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THOSE FOLKS ARE CHOSEN. AND WE AND BUT THE OTHER PART OF MY QUESTION IS, UM I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMAN BLACKWELL SAID. I MEAN, UM REED SAID THIS, BUT THE COST OF THIS IS REALLY CONCERNING FOR US. BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST US. SO IN YOUR AS WE GET UPDATED ON THIS, PLEASE TRY TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ON HOW MUCH THIS IS GONNA COST US AS A CITY BECAUSE THAT IS THAT WILL COME UP. I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME. I JUST CAME UP WITH A QUESTION ABOUT THE SEVEN CIVILIANS. SO YOU CAN ANSWER THAT. HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE. BUT THE MOST QUESTIONS PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT ARE THE CONFIDENTIALITY AND SINCE WE'RE HERE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE ARE A PART THIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR AND ON RECORD THAT, UM WHY IS THE DRAFT CONSENT DECREE CONFIDENTIAL? IS THAT DOJ CLAIMING CONFIDENTIALITY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OUR OUR MAYOR AND OUR CITY HAS ASKED FOR, JUST OF OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON THAT? BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE AT THE DOJ MEETING, UM, LIKE CLEAR ANSWERS. UH, YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WOMAN, I'LL ANSWER A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN TURN OVER TO MR KAPLAN. SO UH, AS FAR AS THE AUDITORS TH THOSE THOSE AUDITORS ARE NOT THE ONLY CIVILIANS THAT WE'VE HIRED. WE'VE HIRED NUMEROUS. UM AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH THE STANDARD HIRING PROCESS WHERE WE POSTED THE JOBS, ADVERTISED THE JOBS AND THEN GONE THROUGH THE CIVIL SERVICE INTERVIEW PROCESS BEEN AN OPEN, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO, UH UH, TO APPLY FOR THE JOBS AND WE ALSO TRIED TO POST THOSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ADVERTISE THEM WIDELY SO THAT WE COULD GET A, UH, A GOOD CANDIDATE POOL THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT TOO. I. I LIKE THAT. I WILL HELP WITH THAT . AND SO AS WE, UM AND I CAN NOTIFY YOU AS AS OTHER JOBS, UH, COME AVAILABLE SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME HELP SPREADING THE WORD WHEN MORE COME AVAILABLE, SO I'D APPRECIATE THAT, UM, AND AS FAR AS THE COST, UH, COST VARIES. THESE ARE NOT CHEAP, UH, MONITORS THEMSELVES COST A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. UH, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE HAD TO UPGRADE OR PURCHASE. UM WHICH WE NEEDED TO DO THAT THOSE THINGS ANYWAY. UH, PART OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR IS WE'RE PAYING THE BACK COST OF NOT HAVING PROPER INVESTMENT AT DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE PAST, AND SO, UH UH, WE CAN'T I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT COST. UH, BUT THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT IT IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A COST OFFSET. AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY, UM, IS GOING TO SPEED UP THIS PROCESS SO AS OPPOSED TO BEING INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A DECADE, 12 YEARS. PLUS UM, WE'RE GONNA COME INTO COMPLIANCE MUCH EARLIER AND BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE AND BUREAUCRATIC COSTS AWAY AND JUST DEAL WITH, UM, THE COST OF RUNNING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, IF WE DO THIS IN A GOOD WAY, WHAT YOU ALSO RECEIVE IS A COST BENEFIT FROM THE INCREASED SAFETY AND TRUST AND LA LAWSUITS THAT ULTIMATELY WE ARE. WE'RE PAYING OUT. SO I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE. WE WILL PAY OFF. AND THE OTHER QUESTION, MR KAPLAN ALSO WITH RESPECT TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY AS YOU INDICATED, UH, THESE THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE BEING CONDUCTED AS EXCLUSIVELY WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, WHICH INCLUDES ME, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH INCLUDES THE DEPUTY CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, COUPLE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF METRO IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND THEN SEVERAL DOJ NEGOTIATORS, INCLUDING PAUL CALIBRE, WHO YOU MET, UH, JESS MALLOY, WHO YOU MET, UH, KIA HANSON, WHO YOU MET AND THEN VARIOUS OTHER DC ATTORNEYS THAT THEY HAVE ROTATING IN AND OUT, SO IT'S A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT TIMES, BUT IT'S LIMITED TO THOSE REALLY THOSE TWO ENTITIES YOU KNOW, METRO AND LNPD DOJ. AND I KNOW THAT'S FRUSTRATING.

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INVITED IN AND, UM I BELIEVE THEY PROVIDED SOME ANSWERS. I. I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK FOR DOJ. OUR POSITION IS THAT I MEAN, WE KNOW WE CANNOT INVITE THIRD PARTIES INTO THAT ROOM WITHOUT DOJ S PERMISSION. DOJ HAS INDICATED TO US AND THERE'S NO PRECEDENT FOR THEM TO DEPART FROM THIS THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE HANDLED THE CONFIDENTIALITY BETWEEN THE PARTIES TO THE LAWSUIT. THAT'S THEIR POLICY. THEY ENFORCE THAT SO I WISH THE ANSWERS THAT THEY GAVE WERE MORE SATISFYING. I WOULD ENCOURAGE JUST CONTINUING TO ASK CONTINUING TO GET WHATEVER EXPLANATION CAN BE GOTTEN IN HOPES THAT THERE COULD BE SOME SATISFACTION AROUND THAT, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IT IS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, WHILE YOU KNOW COMMUNITY A COMMUNITY GROUPS ARE NOT IN THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE NOT IN THERE. THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE IS NOT IN THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIMITED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THEY FEEL THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. I'M SURE THEY BELIEVE IN GOOD FAITH. THEY GO TO THESE LISTENING SESSIONS. THEY GET THE FEEDBACK IF THEY HEAR THINGS ABOUT TRAFFIC STOPS OR EXCESSIVE FORCE , OR TRUST OR ACCOUNTABILITY, THEY'RE BRINGING THAT INTO THE NEGOTIATING ROOM. THAT'S CERTAINLY OUR INTENTION AS WELL. BUT AS FAR AS AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT, ALL I CAN SAY ON BEHALF OF THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR, UH, IS THAT THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INSTRUCTED US. AND WHEN YOU SAY INSTRUCTED THE MAYOR HASN'T ANNEXED THE DOJ TO WAIVE CONFIDENTIALITY. IS THIS JUST GOING OFF THIS SUGGESTION LIKE THE CHAIR WAS TALKING ABOUT OR IT HAS, IF NO. WHAT A MERE ASK THE DOJ TO WAIVE CONFIDENCE THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE CAME UP AND THE ANSWER FROM THE DOJ WAS THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS WILL BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL, AND WE'VE COMMUNICATED THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A NEGOTIABLE ITEM. OK UM, IN THE LAST MIS MANAGER IF I CAN I'M TRYING TO. I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, BUT I WANNA WRAP THIS UP. UM LET ME DO ON ACCOUNTABILITY. JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE OFFICE OF EQUITY ISSUED A REPORT ON THAT FOUND THAT OVER 200 YEARS OF POLICING IN LOUISVILLE REVEALS AN ENTRENCHED PATTERN OF INSTITUTION INSTITUTIONAL HARM COMMITTED BY THE POLICE ON BLACK COMMUNITIES AND SEVERAL OTHER MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. ONE OF THE PASS OF ACTIONS LISTED IN THE REPORT TO UNDO THE LONG STANDING PATTERN OF INSTITUTIONAL HARM EMBEDDED WITHIN POLICING IN LOUISVILLE IS TO REBUILD TRUST BETWEEN POLICE AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY. AND I'VE HEARD YOU TOUCH ON THAT TO THIS. THE REPORT READS THAT TO REBUILD TRUST BETWEEN POLICE AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND TO BEGIN TO UNDO ENTRENCHED PATTERNS OF HARM. DEMOCRATIC MECHANISMS MUST BE DEVELOPED THAT PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THOSE THEY SERVE.

GIVEN THE OUTSIDE ROLE THAT POLICE IT PLAY IN THE LIVES OF MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE POLICE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THESE COMMUNITIES . HOW IS THE MAYOR REBUILDING TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN THE COMMUNITY IS DENIED A FEET AT THE NEGOTIATION TABLE. AND THEN HOW IS THE MAYOR BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN LEFT WHEN THE COMMUNITY IS LEFT OUT OF THE FO PC B A PROCESS UNDERSTANDING THAT I DO UNDERSTAND UNIONS, BUT THIS QUESTION CONTINUES TO COME UP FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. WELL WHAT I CAN SAY IS, I KNOW THE MAYOR'S IS COMMITTED TO THIS PROCESS VERY PROMPTLY. AFTER THE DOJ FINDINGS WERE ISSUED, HE STOOD ALONGSIDE THE CHIEF AND MERRICK GARLAND AND VANITA GUPTA AND KRISTEN CLARK AND, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THE HARM AND I BELIEVE HE WAS THE FIRST MAYOR TO DO THAT, UH, IN THAT WAY. UH SO, UH, IT'S A LONG PROCESS. IT'S NOT A REASONABLE EXPECTATION JUST TO EXPECT PEOPLE TO TRUST OVERNIGHT. UH AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE EXPECTATION OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO SAY. OK WELL, THERE'S BEEN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF HARM NOW AND EVERYTHING. IT'S GOOD. UH, AS THE HISTORY OF POLICING REPORT THAT YOU INDICATED, AND I READ THAT WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AGAIN, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING AAA LISTENING SESSION THAT USES THAT AS A LAUNCHING POINT FOR DISCUSSION. UH, BUT YOU DON'T GET OUT OF A PROBLEM THAT DEVELOPED OVER 200 YEARS AND JUST A FEW YEARS. UH BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE 200 MORE YEARS SO THIS IS THE MAYOR OF ACTION. SO, IN ADDITION TO SAYING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GONNA COOPER WITH THE DOJ. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY, AND THAT MEANS THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT THE WAY WE TREAT OUR CITIZENS. CONSTITUTIONALLY THAT IS A DIRECTIVE FROM THE TOP. THE POLICE CHIEF ACCEPTS IT AND FULLY SUPPORTS IT. AND THE STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING, UH, WITH THE CONSENT DECREE. I THINK WE'LL EVIDENCE THAT AT THE POINT AT WHICH THE PUBLIC STARTS TO SEE RESULTS, BUT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE THROAT. EITHER. THERE ARE RESULTS OR THEY ARE NOT RESULTS. THE DOJ WILL BE TRACKING IT. THE COURT WILL BE TRACKING IT. THE MONITOR WILL BE TRACKING IT AND THE COMMUNITY WILL THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING TO HIDE ABOUT WHETHER PROGRESS IS BEING MADE. I THINK THE MAYOR'S TRIED TO TAKE STEPS WHERE HE COULD LIKE GETTING AN AGREEMENT WITH OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL, WHICH HAD TAKEN WE INHERITED A SITUATION

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WHERE IT HAD BEEN MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS ASKING FOR BODY CAM FOOTAGE. DIRECT ACCESS.

WE GOT THAT DONE IN A MONTH, SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT SAME ENERGY AND COMMITMENT TO THIS CONSENT DECREE PROCESS WHERE WE'RE NOT BEING DRAGGED INTO IT. WE'RE NOT BEING FORCED INTO IT. WE'RE EMBRACING IT BECAUSE WE WANNA BE PROUD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE WANT THE PEOPLE TO ALL THE PEOPLE TO TRUST THE POLICE AND SEE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING AN ACTIVE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM IT WITH RESPECT TO THE FOP NEGOTIATIONS AGAIN. THAT'S THAT'S BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING FOR FOLKS THAT THOSE ARE NOT, UM THAT THOSE ARE NOT PUBLIC. UH THIRD PARTIES ARE NOT INVITED IN INTO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. THE CONTRACT HAS NOW BEEN PUBLICIZED . EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT'S IN IT . THE PUBLIC WILL DECIDE IF THEY SUPPORT IT, OR THEY DON'T. EACH MEMBER OF THE METRO COUNCIL WILL DECIDE IF, UH, HE OR SHE SUPPORTS IT. OR DOES NOT, UM I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE F CONTRACT AND THEN THE CONFIDENTIALITY THERE, BUT, UM, WE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT, UM THE, UH THAT THE UNION WOULD, UH, BE INTERESTED IN, UM UH, IN IN A PUBLIC PROCESS BECAUSE AGAIN NO PRECEDENT FOR IT. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD IMPOSE. UM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LABOR RULES WORK, AND YOU KNOW, UH UH, WE COULD NOT UNILATERALLY IMPOSE THAT. UM AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE. BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. I WOULD JUST SAY, THOUGH, THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS NOW SHINING ON THAT CONTRACT, AND IT'S COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL SO THERE THERE SHOULD BE EVERY OPPORTUNITY NOW, UH, FOR FOLKS TO PASS JUDGMENT ON ON WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THAT, OR THEY DON'T AND LET ME SPEAK TO THIS REAL QUICK. A RESPECTFULLY I DON'T I. I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK. UM I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE FOP CONTRACT. DID YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? YEAH, YOU DID. OK YEAH, I BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER. LIKE I ADDED THAT IN BECAUSE IT WAS A PART OF THE, UH, HISTORY OF POLICING AND INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DIDN'T EVEN OWN IT RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, SO I JUST WANNA TALK. UH, JUST ABOUT, UM, YOU SAID THAT THE, UH THAT THE, UH YOU SAID TRUST? UH, BUT IT'S EASY FOR THE DOJ ULNPD, UM, YOU KNOW TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY AND WE ALL NEED TO TRUST. UM, BUT TRUST IS EARNED.

YOU KNOW, AND IT HASN'T BEEN THUS FAR BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO TIMELINE ON THE DISSENT DECREE. THERE'S UM THERE IS REALLY NO SOLUTIONS JUST YET. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S JUST LIKE , WELL, OK, WE JUST GOTTA WAIT AND HOPE THAT NOTHING HAPPENS. SO WE HAVE TO JUST TRUST THAT PROCESS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING IS A PROCESS. BUT I WILL SAY, UM SOME OF OUR, UM SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS VARY MORE THAN OTHERS WHO WAS TRULY AFFECTED BY THIS ARE REALLY COMING DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN ON US. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THESE REALLY HARD THEY WON'T SOLUTIONS. UM AND JUST NOT AND THEY WON'T TRANSPARENCY. THAT'S VITAL, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAS TRANSPIRED. UM AND I WILL SAY THIS, UH I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OVER HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO FIND A BETTER SOLUTION MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE AFTER TALKING TO THE DOJ, THEY TOLD ME DURING ANY LITIGATION, ANY TYPE OF LITIGATION THAT THE PUBLIC CANNOT BE INVOLVED. EVEN YOU KNOW, NOW THEY SPOKE TO ME ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, I HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THINGS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THIS BEING THAT IT'S LITIGATION, SO THAT SHOULD SOLIDIFY WHY THE PUBLIC MYSELF, YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IS NOT ABLE TO SIT AT THOSE TABLES. SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM YOU KNOW THAT MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE GIVEN OUT. YOU GUYS ARE IN LITIGATION OR GOING TO LITIGATION. SO THAT'S WHY YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, UH, QUIT BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE ANSWERS THAT ARE JUST THERE. AND YOU KNOW, IT IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRAG STUFF OUT AND JUST SAY WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE JUST REALLY HAVE TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR IT OR WHETHER THEY DON'T. IT'S WHAT IT IS. YOU KNOW , WE DO HAVE TO HEAL. WE DO HAVE TO MOVE ON. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO SEE SOMETHING. WE'VE REALLY NOT SEEN ANYTHING.

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YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN MUCH SOLUTIONS OR TRANSPARENCY. I THINK WHEN THE MAYOR DOES HIS ANNOUNCEMENTS EVERY TUESDAY. THESE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE CAN PUT IN THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT, UM SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IMPLEMENTED. TALK ABOUT, UM, EXACTLY WHERE YOU GUYS ARE IN IN THE PROCESS WITH THE DOJ TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS, UM, WITHIN WITHIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAN'T IN SOME SCOPES. NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, SO THE PUBLIC WON'T FEEL LIKE THAT. THEY'RE UH , THEY'RE JUST BEING LEFT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING. A LOT OF. THEY CAN'T BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. THEY'RE NOT THERE. THEY HAVE TO SOLELY RELY ON JUST WHAT'S BEING SAID, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES, UM, WE DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS BEFORE. UH, THIS PROCESS SPEEDS UP, SO I'M GONNA PASS THE , UM, FLOOR TO A COUNCILMAN BETSY ROY. COUNCILMAN ROY OK, SO I'LL COME BACK TO HER, UH, COUNCILMAN RICK BLACKWELL. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. COUNCILMAN ROY YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YOU CAN SPEAK OK, THANK YOU. I WAS, UH, DISTRACTED THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING. AND UH, PRESENTING SOME OF YOUR INFORMATION HERE.

THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING PROCESS, AND WE CAN HAVE ALL THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES BUT UNLESS THEY'RE, UH CONSISTENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY ENFORCED IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE. I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE WELLNESS CENTER THAT WAS PUT IN AND SPEAKING AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH BURNOUT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT SOMETIMES YOU'RE JUST YOUR MIND JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES ANYMORE, AND I'D BE VERY CURIOUS AS IF THERE'S ANY DATA. I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN OPEN VERY LONG. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA ALONG THE LINES AS TO HOW EFFECTIVE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE WELLNESS CENTER. ARE BEING TOWARDS HELPING OUR OFFICERS BE MORE PRODUCTIVE AND LESS STRESS. IS THERE ANYTHING AVAILABLE YET? UH, THANK YOU, MA'AM. UH, AS FAR AS DATA I CAN GET YOU SOME SOME NUMBERS ON ITS USAGE AND ITS EFFECTIVENESS. UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE FACILITY AS WELL AS THE SERVICES PROVIDED AT AT THE WELLNESS CENTER HAVE OFFICERS HAVE HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT. I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS IS TALKING ABOUT. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING . IT'S HOW TRANSPARENT WE ARE AND HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING THAT , AND I THINK WE HAVE WE HAVE DONE A LOT. I MEAN, YOU SEE HOW MANY POLICY CHANGES WE'VE MADE, UM AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE. WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK THE CHIEF AND, UH, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAVE TAKEN SOME STEPS TO COMMUNICATE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AND SOME OF THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE. UH YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE ME BEAT COP AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CHIEF HAS INITIATED. BUT I THINK WE CAN WE CAN GO FURTHER WITH THAT. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN HOW WE RELEASE BODY CAMERA AND ALSO INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. I THINK SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT IS MUCH DIFFERENT, UH, THAN HOW WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

WE'VE MADE THOSE EFFORTS AND I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF BEING CRE. AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU MUCH MORE QUICKLY, KNOWING THAT IT'S GONNA IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME. UH, I DON'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO JUST FLIP A SWITCH AND SAY, UH, EVERYTHING'S FINE. AND IN ALL HONESTY, WE ALSO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T PUT IN THE EFFORT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, UH AND I ASKED THOSE HARD QUESTIONS. UM BECAUSE HOPEFULLY SOMEONE'S WATCHING AND THEY'RE GETTING THE ANSWERS THAT THEY NEED BECAUSE I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID SOME OF THOSE THINGS. UH AND ANY TIME THAT I CALL LNPD OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG LADY. THAT'S BY YOU. UM VERY TRANSPARENT. JOHNNY ON THE SPOT. UM AND I HAVE SEEN SOME DIFFERENCE. SO JUST AS WELL AS, UM THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY THAT POSITIVE. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE PAST. UM IF YOU KNOW WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO KEEP LOOKING BACK IF WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD, SO I DEFINITELY WANNA SAY, UM, THANK YOU, UH, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, UH AND IT'S JUST SAD TO SAY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BAD ACTORS, UM, AS FAR AS OFFICERS THAT HAS MADE THIS COME TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST ALWAYS FEELING LIKE THAT. THE OFFICERS THAT ARE STILL THOSE BAD, SO HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UM YOU KNOW? TRY TO PEOPLE CAN TRY TO LOOK AT LNPD IN A DIFFERENT, UM, IN A

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DIFFERENT SET OF LENSES TO BE ABLE TO TRUST. UH YOU GUYS SO JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY , JUST TRY TO KEEP BEING AS TRANSPARENT AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. AND THUS FAR YOU HAVE BEEN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM SO IS RICK BLACKWELL ON THERE? HE'S GONE, OK? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM I DO AGREE WITH MADAM CHAIR ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THE OFFICERS AND AS WELL AS COUNCILWOMAN RORY. I DO CARE ABOUT THE MENTAL MENTALITY, THE SPIRITUALITY, THE PHYSICAL AND FINANCIAL WELL BEING OF OUR OFFICERS. I LIKEN IT TO BEING A MOTHER AND I WOULD NEVER LEAVE MY BABYSITTERS WITH SOMEONE I DIDN'T TRUST OR SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T HAVE THOSE THINGS IN PLACE SO THAT I KNOW THAT THOSE I CARE ABOUT MOST ARE TAKEN CARE OF. I DO WANNA SAY I'M NOT A LAWYER. I WORK WITH A LOT OF LAWYERS. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT CAN BE WAIVED. IT'S NOT LAW AND MR KAPLAN CAN CONFIRM THAT. BUT IF THE PARTIES CHOOSE NOT TO WAIVE IT, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THAT CAN BE SAID. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE THAT YOU KNOW THIS SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT CAN BE WAIVED, AND ALSO THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS I LIKE THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A MONITOR.

I THINK THAT AS YOU TALK ABOUT THE COST OF WHAT THINGS ARE GOING TO COST US, UM ON IN THE LONG RUN, PLEASE PUT THE QUALIFICATION OF A MONITOR OUT THERE, SINCE THAT'S A POSITION WE NEVER HAD JUST AS WELL AS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND I, AND, UM, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE RESPECTIVE GENERAL'S OFFICE MORE. I THINK THAT SHOULD CONTINUE TO GO ON.

BUT WE WANNA GET SOME QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THIS MONITOR POSITIONS AS WELL AS THE AUDITOR POSITIONS YOU MENTIONED MR HUMPHRIES AND I DO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. POINT WELL TAKEN ON THE MONITOR SELECTION. AND UH LASTLY, I WANNA SAY THIS, UM, FOR ME, THE COST IS PRICELESS. WHATEVER IS GOING TO COST FOR A MONITOR. UM MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONITOR, UM DOESN'T SHOW A CONFLICT OF INTEREST A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON WHAT'S THAT? BECAUSE IT COULD ALSO BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UM, ON THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE ON LNPD SIDE . UM WHAT IS IT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT YOU'RE THAT? YOU'RE, UH SPEAKING. TO WELL, THE MONITORS GOT TO BE COMPLETELY FREE OF THEM. SO YOU KNOW NO. NO FINANCIAL OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF CLOSE TIES TO ANY OF THE PARTIES. YOU KNOW THAT UM , THEY WOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE THOSE AND THEY DURING THE BETTING PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE A ATTENTION PAID TOWARD MAKING SURE THERE AREN'T ANY. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A PROCESS WHERE, UM IN HOPES THAT THAT PERSON HAS DOESN'T HAVE A CONFLICT ON EITHER SIDE. THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY TOUGH. YEAH, I WOULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I MEAN, I HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THIS HAS EVEN EVER HAPPENED. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T THE INDEPENDENT MODEL CAN ONLY BE PAID. YOU KNOW TO DO THAT JOB? THEY CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER FINANCIAL CONNECTION. THEY CAN'T BE GETTING SOME WORK ON THE SIDE FROM LNPD YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAY. THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME BECAUSE OFTENTIMES CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ARE I'M TALKING ABOUT THEY COULD BE KIN TO SOMEBODY. THAT'S A POLICE OFFICER. THEY COULD BE KIN TO SOMEBODY THAT, UH, SOMEONE THREW A SLUSHY ON. SO I'M SAYING, HOW WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF THE MONITOR? I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE WELL KNOWN. THROUGH THE PROCESS WHO THEY WILL INCLUDE ON THEIR TEAM. AND THEN ONCE YOU KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE YOU THEN CAN TRACE BACK AND SEE WHAT IF ANY FAMILY OR OR BUSINESS OR FRIENDSHIP CONNECTIONS THAT THERE ARE OK? YES. NOT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL. IT'S JUST TOO MUCH WORK. SO THAT THAT WHO'S GONNA SELECT THE MONITORS. I THINK THAT WAS WHO WOULD WOULD BE THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION WHO WHO CHOOSES THE MONITORS THE COURT CHOOSES ULTIMATELY. BUT BUT THERE'S A THERE. THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF APPLICATION PROCESS. UM AND IT WILL OPPORTUNITY WILL BE OFFERED. PUBLICLY. AND, UM THE CONSENT DECREE WILL HAVE PROVISIONS ON THE INPUT THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS INTO THAT THAT METRO AND LNPD HAVE INTO THAT AND THAT THE PUBLIC HAS INTO THAT THAT WILL ALL BE

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OUTLINED. IN THE CONSENT DECREE, SO THAT'S TO BE FLESHED OUT IN DETAIL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU JUST LOOK UP THE BALTIMORE DECREE OR I'M JUST PULLING THAT ONE OUT OF MY HAT, BUT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER, BUT YOU MIGHT GET A SENSE OF HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD.

ALBUQUERQUE'S ANOTHER ONE. I GUESS PORTLAND HAS HAD ONE FOR A WHILE, SO YOU YOU COULD GET A FLAVOR AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL THOSE FOR YOU AND PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW, UH, IN PAST CASES THEY HAVE PROVIDED FOR THAT SELECTION. OK? AND WHO GETS A BIT, BUT IT'S NOT.

ULTIMATELY THE COURT'S GOT TO AGREED TO WHOEVER'S BEEN PROPOSED. SO AND THEY WOULD JUST FOLLOW THE CASE, RIGHT? WHO? THE COURT NO. THE MONITOR. FOR BOTH. YES THAT MONITOR WILL BE DOING, YOU KNOW, DOING REVIEWS ON COMPLIANCE WITH THE DECREE BASED ON THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT THAT WOULD BE MEASURED, AND THAT'S ALL LAID OUT IN THE DECREE AND THEN REPORTING OUT PUBLICLY ON WHAT THEY'RE FINDINGS ARE AND THESE THESE NEED TO BE WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH, BUT I THINK IN SOME CASES I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY GO TO. I THINK CHICAGO HAS A PORTAL THAT'S GOT MONITOR REPORTS ON IT. I DOES. DOES BALTIMORE HAVE THAT? YEAH, SO THE MONITOR BASICALLY THEY'LL TAKE EVERY PROVISION OF THE DECREE, AND THEY'LL MAKE A REPORT BACK TO THE COURT THAT SAYS WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE OR WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE OR WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. AND SO IT'LL IT'LL BE A LENGTHY DOCUMENT. BUT EFFECTIVELY THAT'S GONNA BE THE PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ACHIEVING THE DECREE. SO THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO GET TRANSPARENCY ON THE PROCESS THROUGH THE MONITOR. YES, OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OK, I WANNA I WANNA FIRST. THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING , UH, OVER VOLUNTARILY WITH THE ANSWER A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS. I WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. UM

[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]

HEARING BE THAT THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TODAY. THERE'S NO MORE FURTHER BUSINESS. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Special Discussion

1. ID 24-0189 DOJ CONSENT DECREE PROCESSES – Deputy Mayor David Kaplan, Mayor’s Office and Deputy Chief Paul Humphrey, Louisville Metro Police Department

Apr 10, 2024 Public Safety Committee – This is considered a Special Meeting

Special Discussion

1. ID 24-0189 DOJ CONSENT DECREE PROCESSES – Deputy Mayor David Kaplan, Mayor’s Office and Deputy Chief Paul Humphrey, Louisville Metro Police Department

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