Mar 07, 2024 Ad Hoc Committee on Land Use - This is Considered a Special Meeting

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OK? THANK YOU. PO. THEY ARE. BELIEVE THAT. YEAH, GREAT. MORE THAN I 42ND YEAH. YEAH. WE AGREE.

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THE GENDER IS DIFFERENT NOW.

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SO EVERY OTHER WEEK, UH AND IT WILL BE HELD AT THIS TIME AND DATE. UM NOT SURE HOW MANY MEETINGS WE'LL HAVE OF THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW EFFICIENT WE ARE AND HOW MUCH WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. BUT UM , I'M I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN BE EFFICIENT AND ACCOMPLISH THINGS.

UM WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO HAVE THE MEETING TO BE AS HIGHLY PROGRAMMED AS POSSIBLE, UM, AND IS IN VERY NARROWLY FOCUSED AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND. BUT UM, I WANNA TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE GOALS. UH UH, OF WHAT? WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. UM, SO I HAD STARTED BY THINKING THAT THIS FIRST MEETING WOULD BE MOSTLY ABOUT, UH, KIND OF REVIEWING THE UPDATED HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT . UH, THAT'S GONNA BE PRODUCED HERE VERY SHORTLY. UM THAT'S NOT GONNA BE RELEASED. UH, UNTIL PROBABLY NEXT WEEK, AND SO MARYLYN HARRIS AND OR SOMEBODY FROM HER TEAM ARE GONNA, UM, PRESENT THAT AT THE MARCH 21ST MEETING, BUT THAT DATA THAT COMES OUT OF THAT UPDATED HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS WHAT I THINK OUR CHALLENGE IS AS A GROUP THAT THAT HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF WE HAVE A DEFICIT OF HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS, THE LAST ONE WAS 30,000. I FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S GONNA BE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT, UH, WITH THE UPDATED NUMBERS, SO TO ME, THAT IS OUR CHALLENGE. UM HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT DEFICIT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BUILD ENOUGH HOUSING ACROSS ALL LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY TO THOSE NEEDS AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S OUR CHALLENGE. UM I DON'T WANNA GET LOST IN THE WEEDS. UM AND SO I WANT TO IDENTIFY LET'S SAY 234 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN

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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THIS HOUSING CRISIS IS ESPECIALLY HARD FOR THOSE WITH LOW INCOMES.

AND WE ARE SHORT OF NEARLY 4 MILLION HOUSING UNITS, OR IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

THE OTHER DAY I LOOK AT IT, SAYING IT'S UP TO 7 MILLION HOUSING UNITS THAT SHORT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. BUT THIS 4 MILLION HOUSING UNITS ARE GATHERED FROM AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE. UH, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM THE REASON WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE IS TWOFOLD. ONE IS DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION. WE HAVE 19 2007 2008 ALL THE WAY UP TO 2012. AFTER THAT HOUSING CONSTRUCTION ALMOST COME TO A COMPLETE STOP IN MANY CITIES, AND ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE THIS NEW POPULATION GROWTH CONTINUE TO GROW THE POPULATION GROWTH.

THE MILLENNIALS IS FORMING, UM, HOUSEHOLD SO HOUSEHOLD FORMATION. HAS BEEN INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY DURING THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, SO WITH LOW HOUSING SUPPLY AND HIGH DEMAND, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS TODAY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IT, ESPECIALLY AT LOCAL LEVEL, HOW TO SOLVE THIS HOUSING CRISIS ISSUE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOLVING THIS ISSUE. IS NOT JUST A LOCAL. THERE'S ALSO A NATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL, SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE PARTNERING ACROSS SECTORS TO FIND SOLUTIONS TOGETHER. AND ONE OF THOSE PARTING, UM ORGANIZATION IS AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION AND NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. SO THIS JUST HAPPENED LAST YEAR, SO TWO ORGANIZATIONS COME TOGETHER AND STARTED THIS DIALOGUE AND STARTED A PARTNERING AND ALSO A CAMPAIGN.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL IS CALLED CAMPAIGN TO IMPROVE LOCAL CAPACITY, IDENTIFY CRITICAL SOLUTIONS, SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THEY WANT TO IDENTIFY

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THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT HOW WE STREAMLINE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THERE'S A HOUSING 10. WE ALL KNOW THAT MORTGAGE RATE HAS GONE UP SO DRASTICALLY LAST COUPLE OF YEARS USED TO HAVE 2.8 OR 2.75% NOW IT IS ABOUT 7% AND THAT CHANGE OF MORTGAGE RATE SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, REDUCE THE CAPACITY TO BUILD HOUSING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WAS REALLY DISCUSSED, UH, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AS WELL. I DO WANT TO SAY THERE'S REFORMS AT ALL LEVEL, NOT JUST ZONING. IN TERMS OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OR THE SECTOR. THEY HAVE RECENTLY MADE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT REALLY HELPFUL. FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS A GRANNY FLAT. I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THAT. UM NOW YOU CAN'T USE THE INCOME FROM THE 80 US TO SUPPORT YOUR MARKET IN THE PAST. YOU CAN'T THERE'S ONLY PASSED LAST YEAR. THE SECOND, UH, CHANGES IN THE FINANCE INDUSTRY IS THAT THEY NOW. ARE REDUCED THE DOWN PAYMENT REQUIREMENT FOR MIDDLE HOUSING UP TO FOUR UNITS, SO IF YOU WANT TO BUY A TRIPLET, LIVE IN ONE AND RENT THE OTHER INSTEAD OF YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH 25% DOWN PAYMENT, WHICH IS A LOT UH, NOW YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE 5% DOWN PAYMENT . SO THAT'S THE CHANGES INDUSTRY HAD MADE, WHICH WERE HELPFUL, BUT THE MARKET RATE IS STILL VERY HIGH. AND THE THIRD CATEGORY IS LAND USE REGULATION THAT WE HAVE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT. AND WE HAVE, UM LOS ANGELES. WERE THERE. THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THERE, UH, TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL. AND WE ALSO TALK ABOUT ALL THE ZONING REFORM THAT , UH, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHICH I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A MINUTE. IN ADDITION TO ALL THE THREE THERE'S IN FACT WORKFORCE NEED THERE'S A LOT OF TIME. YES, YOU HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE. YOU HAVE TO FINANCE IN PLACE, BUT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH WORKERS TO WORK IN THIS INDUSTRY. SO THAT IS ALSO A ISSUE OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE INVESTMENT AREA YOU WANT TO SUPPORT HOUSING, SO THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN A FROM FORMAT THE COMMITTEE HAS WORKED FOR ABOUT A YEAR RIGHT NOW, AND THEY LOOK AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES. THEY INVITED ALL THE EXPERT IN INCLUDING THE NATIONAL BUILDING ASSOCIATION NA NATIONAL REALTOR ASSOCIATION. NATIONAL ANYBODY REALLY TO FINANCE AND BUILDING INDUSTRY AND, OF COURSE, THE PLANNERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOP A DRAFT. RECOMMENDATION OR WE CALL IT PLAYBOOK AND THAT PLAYBOOK WILL BE RELEASED NEXT MONTH AT THE NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE IN MINNEAPOLIS. HOW INTERESTING. MINNEAPOLIS IS THE ONE THAT LEADING THE ZONING REFORM THE CONFERENCE WILL BE HELD IN MINNEAPOLIS IN APRIL, ABOUT MID OF APRIL AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION COULD RELEASE THAT PLAYBOOK. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT'S GONNA HELP CITIES AND TOWNS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HAVE A GUIDEBOOK. SO ONCE THAT'S AVAILABLE, I WILL LET YOU KNOW I WILL SEND IT TO YOU. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BRAG A LITTLE BIT.

I WAS VERY HONORED, UH, TO BE ONE OF THE 10 PLANNERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WAS SELECTED TO SIT ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE. SO I WAS PART OF THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT. SO EVEN THOUGH AFTER WE RELEASE UH, THE

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YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO WHERE THAT'S BASICALLY A HIGH LEVEL, SIMPLE TERM DEFINITION.

AS A LAWMAKER, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS PRETTY SURE. BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING ZONING HAS THREE IMPORTANT COMPONENT. THE TAX MAP THE PROCESS. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT TEXT IS THE 800 PAGES BOOK. WE ALL YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.

UH, HAVE TO PAY BY, UH, THAT'S THE LAW. SO THAT'S THE TEXT PORTION. A LOT OF THINGS WE DO LIKE THE ZONING REFORM OR CURRENTLY DOING IS REVISING THE TEXT, FOR EXAMPLE, SHORT TERM RENTAL. LAST YEAR WE CHANGED THAT. THAT'S A TAX AMENDMENT. THAT'S WHAT IN THE TEXT GOES IN THERE. THEY ARE ALSO A COMPONENT OF MAP. YOU ARE SOME OF YOU SURVEY THE PLANNING. ZONING COMMITTEE. YOU HAVE THE APP COMING IN WITH A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. THEY WANT TO CHANGE ZONING FROM OUR FOUR TO OUR SIX THAT AMENDING THE MAP. NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY OWNER AMEND THE MAP YOU, THE LAWMAKERS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AMEND THE MAP, AND SOMETIMES THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BASICALLY THE GOVERNMENT THAT WAS PLANNING COMMISSION YOU CAN INITIATE A ZONING CHANGE. SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE PROPERTY WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT OWNED OR WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. YOU CAN INITIATE THAT ZONING CHANGE. AND SOMETIME IT DOES HELP, UM I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE THE PROJECT. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON CALLED PRIORITY MAP FOR MIXED HOUSING AND MIXED USE A LOT CITY HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. THEY HAVE THE MAP, AND THEY HAVE THE POLICY IN PLACE. THEY HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION IN PLACE AND THE NEXT STEP COULD BE LOOKING AT CERTAIN CORRIDORS. OUR DOWNTOWN IS GOOD, BUT IT'S CERTAIN UH, CITY THAT THEY ARE DOWNTOWN IS VERY RESTRICTIVE SO YOU CAN TAKE A CERTAIN CORRIDOR AND SAY WE WANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN HERE. THE GOVERNMENT CAN INITIATE UP ZONING. BUT THIS ONLY IN PLACE AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY RIGHT MUCH EASIER. THE THIRD COMPONENT IS PROCESS THE PROCESS. I THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE OUR PROCESS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLICATED COMPARED TO OTHER CITY LIKE NASHVILLE IS MUCH SIMPLER THAN OURS, WHILE SOME OTHERS SAY THAT MORE COMPLICATED THAN US, SO THIS IS SOMETHING I KNOW THE COMMITTEE PROBABLY IS TASKED TO DO AS WELL. AND THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR STREAMLINING. UH, RECENTLY I MENTIONED L A IS HAS REMINDED THEIR PROCESS WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL. SO WHEN YOU DO THE PROCESS, STREAMLINING THE PROCESS, THERE'S KIND OF ECOSYSTEM. YOU MAKE STREAMLINING HERE, BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER PART, WHICH IS MEANINGFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, SO THERE'S TWO PARTS STREAMLINE THE SAME TIME. IT'S A BALANCE.

SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT BALANCE, BUT I THINK, UM, WITH, UM ALL THE RESEARCH AND ALL THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAVE WITH STAFF HELP, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FIND BALANCE, STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AT THE SAME TIME, ALLOW MEANINGFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE COMPONENT I.

I HOPE THIS IS WHERE I TRIED TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE THIS HELPED ME A LOT.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LENGTHY, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE ZONING IS. BUT THIS REALLY HELPED ME A LOT WHEN I GO TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES AND TALK TO THE CI CITIZEN ABOUT WHAT IS

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ALL ABOUT HOUSING. BOOST HOUSING SUPPLY. IT SPENT HOUSING OPTION MAKE HOUSING ATTAINABLE. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE HOUSING. UH, POLICY THAT WE ALL NEED TO EMBRACE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION FOR THIS YEAR IS A HIGH POLICY PRIORITY. I WANT TO SAY THAT LOUISVILLE WE HAVE BEEN DOING ZONING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK IN 2020 SUMMER, 2020 THIS BODY, UH, ADOPTED A, UH UM, ZONING REFORM RESOLUTION. UH, SUMMER OF 2020. THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ALSO RELEASED A PRESS RELEASE AND PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AS PLANNING DESIGN STAFF TO LOOK AT OUR ZONING FOCUS ON HOUSING AND EQUITY. SO SINCE THEN WE HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. UM AND WE FINISHED PHASE ONE REFORM WORK. THERE ARE SIX ATOMS IN THERE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM KIND OF ABOUT THE SAME TIME. WE ALSO DID, UH, PARKING REFORM, PARKING REGULATION REFORM, SO PARKING REGULATION REFORM. IN ADDITION TO THE PHASE ONE REFORM , WHICH INCLUDED ACCESSOR DEVELOPMENT UNITS WITH A LIMITED , UH, FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT ALLOW YOU TO BE MORE HOUSING IN THE SAME PARCEL, WE ALLOW DUPLEX IN ALL MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE ALSO REDUCE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT USED TO BE YOU HAVE TO BE SET BACK. THE BUILDING HAS TO SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY IN THE FRONT, 30 FT. THERE IS NO NEED TO HAVE THAT LARGE AS SETBACK, SO THAT'S GOT REDUCED TO 15 FT.

ALL OF THAT IS REALLY HELPFUL WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A AD U, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT SUBJECT. MIDDLE HOUSING, WE NEED MORE HOUSING EVERYWHERE IN LOUISVILLE. I. I ALSO SAY WE ARE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES LEADING THE REFORM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I WAS INVITED TO BE PART OF THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS WE DID TOGETHER. I WORK WITH YOU, ESPECIALLY MY STAFF. I DONE TREMENDOUS WORK PUT US A NATIONAL LEVEL. BUT THE ONE CITY THAT'S RULED AT THE FOREFRONT OF ZONING REFORM IS MINNEAPOLIS. THEY DID A SIMILAR THINGS. WE DID ALLOW A BY, RIGHT, RIGHT. WE GOT THAT DONE.

LIMIT PARKING REQUIREMENT. WE LIMITED PARKING FOR ALL HOUSING THE TRADITIONAL FORM DISTRICT.

WE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE HOUSE, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENT IN THE SUBURBAN FOR DISTRICT, SO WE GOT THAT DONE AS WELL. THEY ALSO ALLOWED MORE DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN AND TREND CORRIDORS. OUR DENSITY. IN DOWNTOWN IS FAIRLY GOOD. THERE IS HARDLY ANY ANY BARRIER THERE. BUT OUR TRANSIT CORRIDOR STILL HAS A VERY SPECIAL BUILDING HEIGHT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING ON THIS OTHER PROJECT. PRIORITY AIR. MY MAP, LOOKING AT THE CENTERS AND THE CORRIDOR TO SEE WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE HOUSING. NOT JUST HOUSING, BUT MIXED HOUSING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING AND MIX USE TO PICK UP CAN WALK TO THE COFFEE SHOP. PEOPLE CAN WALK TO EVEN GROCERY STORE OR DOCTOR'S OFFICE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON. NOW I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE. PROBABLY LATER THIS YEAR. WE DID HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, ALL THE MEDIA WAS THERE REPORTING ON THIS PROJECT. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. I THINK WHAT IS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, UH, MAKE INDIANAPOLIS AS A LEADER IN THIS, THEY ALLOWED BASICALLY MIDDLE HOUSE UP TO THREE HOUSING UNITS IN EVERY SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. SO LIKE US HERE, RIGHT 75% OF L LAND IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY ONLY UP UNTIL 2.5 YEARS AGO. BEFORE WE ADOPT AD U AD U IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED IN THAT SINGLE FIELD.

ONLY ONE HOUSE DETACHED ON ONE LOT, AND THAT INCLUDES 75% OF THE LAND IS JUST CAN TAKE A LOT OF SPACE. SO WHAT MINNEAPOLIS DID IS THAT THIS WAS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO IS BASICALLY ALLOWING MORE HOUSING IN SINGLE FAMILY WHAT THEY CALLED IT ELIMINATE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING

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THEY ARE REALLY AT THE FOREFRONT. AND SINCE THEN THERE ARE A LOT MORE C. WE ARE NOT ALONE. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THIS HOUSING CRISIS. WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO WITHOUT REALLY CAUSING A LOT OF MONEY IS TO DO ZONING REFORM. ZONING IS ONE OF THE MAJOR BARRIERS FOR MORE HOUSING, SO WE ARE NOT ALONE IS RIGHT THERE. UH I GUESS YOU CAN SEE. UM UH, THIS IS LOUISVILLE HERE, SO DIFFERENT COLOR MEANS DIFFERENT. BLUE UH, GREEN. BASICALLY, YOU HAVE FINISHED SOME KIND OF ZONING. FOR I LOOK AT THE DATABASE OVER 100 AND 80. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS SOMEBODY TRACKING THAT CALLED ZONING REFORM TRACKER, AND THIS DATA WAS AS OF NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. WE HAVE TWO COLORS. WE HAVE A GREEN. WE HAVE A YELLOW. THE REASON WE HAVE A GREEN IS BECAUSE WE DID ACCESSORY TO ALL AND UNIT. YOU SHOULD REALLY CONGRATULATE THAT. THIS IS HUGE.

UH A LOT OF OTHER GREEN IS MEANS THAT JUST THAT, BUT SOME OF THEM JUST LIKE I'VE DONE THAT I'M DONE. WE ARE NOT DONE YET. THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO GREEN. WE ALSO HAVE A Y. WE HAVE ONGOING ONGOING REFORM EFFORT AND ONE OF THE ONE YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IN A MINUTE IS MIDDLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING SIMILAR. MINNEAPOLIS HAS BEEN DOING, UH, AUSTIN HAS BEEN DOING CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT ALSO, UM ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA HAS RISEN ADOPTED MIDDLE HOUSES. VERY VERY GOOD. THE PROCESS THEY THEY, THEY THEY DID IT. IT'S AMAZING WORK, SO IT'S A LOT OF CITY ARE DOING MENTAL HOUSING. WE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN AGING THE COMMUNITY WITH WENT TO THE COMMUNITY TALK TO THEM, AND WE EVEN DO SOME HANDS ON LIKE LEGO EXERCISE, WHICH YOU CAN TALK ABOUT LATER TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS, SO WE ARE ALMOST READY AT THIS POINT TO HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO BE RELEASED. HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR EVERYBODY TO REVIEW TO, UH, TO GIVE US FEEDBACK, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THAT WILL BRING BACK TO YOUR METRO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF VERY HIGH LEVEL TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. UH, BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING SUPPLY ACCELERATOR, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT. STAY TUNED ON THAT ONE. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, UH, VERY HELPFUL TO US, AND THE OTHER ONE IS ZONING REFORM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND WE STILL NEED TO DO MORE IN LOUISVILLE. WE GOT AD U.

WE GOT PARKING. ALL OF THIS REFORM DONE. WE NEED REALLY WORK ON THIS MIDDLE HOUSE, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN FOR TWO YEARS. WE JUST NEED TO WORK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET THAT, UM, CROSS THE FINISH LINE. WAS THAT ANY QUESTION FOR ME? LET ME I WANT TO SAY ONE. WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE INTO THIS AS WE GO ALONG, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE JUST THOSE SMALL CHANGES THAT MINNEAPOLIS MADE. I READ AN ARTICLE RECENTLY THAT SAID THE HOUSING COSTS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA HAVE GONE UP 13% OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. THEY'VE GONE UP 1% IN NNEAPOLIS. AND THAT'S DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE THERE. UM SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOEL AND HE CAN TALK ABOUT MIDDLE HOUSING, WHICH IS KIND OF A MAJOR PART OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MINNEAPOLIS DID. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU

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I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS YESTERDAY. AND SINCE THE ADOPTION OF, UM CHANGES TO OUR CHILD CARE REGULATIONS, WHICH EXPANDED ACCESS, ALLOWING CHILD CARE IN MORE LOCATIONS, WE HAVE APPROVED 24 ZONING CONFIRMATIONS FOR CHILD CARE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN APPROVED PRIOR TO, UH, PRIOR TO MARCH OF 2022, SO THAT'S 25 CHILD CARE PROVIDERS THAT ARE ONLINE NOW THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE ONLINE TWO YEARS AGO. WE'VE ALSO HOSTED 250 UNIQUE MEETINGS.

CONVERSATIONS EVENT, INCLUDING WALKING TOURS ARE, UH, POPULAR ZONING MATTERS. CONVERSATIONS AT THE LOUISVILLE FREE PUBLIC LIBRARY. WE PLAYED WITH LEGOS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND BUILT MENTAL HOUSING NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE HAD EDUCATION AND LISTENING SESSIONS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FALL OF 2020. SO WHAT IS MENTAL HOUSING THE SIMPLEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT. IT'S EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE GRAPHIC ON THE GREEN SHOWS IT AS YOUR DUPLEXES, YOUR FOUR PLEXUS, COURTYARD BUILDINGS, BUNGALOW COURTS, TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLEXES. CALL IT WHAT YOU MAY. IT IS EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ONE HOME ON ONE LOT, AND THAT'S A DETACHED HOME AND THE LARGE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES.

THESE ARE HOMES THAT ARE CONSISTENT IN SIZE AND SCALE AND HEIGHT. TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE ARE NO BIGGER, NO WIDER, NO TALLER THAN THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, THIS GRAPHIC COMES FROM OPTIC COASTS DESIGN OUT OF BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA THEY COINED THE TERM MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. THEY ALSO HAPPEN TO BE OUR CONSULTANT ON OUR CURRENT ONGOING HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AREA MAP PROJECT. SO HOW DO WE DEFINE MIDDLE HOUSING HERE IN LOUISVILLE, WHERE WE LOOK AT OUR EXISTING, UM STOCK OF MENTAL HOUSING SO PRIOR TO ZONING COMING INTO EFFECT IN THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE IN 1931 IN THE COUNTY IN 1943 MIDDLE HOUSING WAS BUILT THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, MIDDLE HOUSING EXISTS WITHIN MANY OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. MIDDLE HOUSING IS JUST ILLEGAL NOW. YOU CAN'T BUILD NEW MENTAL HOUSING WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE. AND YOU, UM 75% OF OUR LAND IS SINGLE FAMILY, SO IT'S JUST NOT IT'S. IT'S NOT AN OPTION THAT'S AVAILABLE, WHICH MEANS THERE'S NO MARKET TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW A BLACK MARKET TO BUILD MENTAL HOUSING OVERNIGHT, SO THERE'S NO LAW THAT ALLOWS IT.

UM SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO MARKET FOR IT, SO WE DESCRIBE IT, AS YOU KNOW THAT RANGE OF OPTIONS BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AGAIN SIMILAR IN HEIGHT SIMILAR IN FORM. SO AGAIN. WHERE IS MIDDLE HOUSING? ALLOWED HERE IN LOUISVILLE? UM IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN ANY OF THE YELLOW OR, UM, YELLOW AREAS YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN, THAT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING 75% OF OUR LAND. HERE IN LOUISVILLE, METRO IS SINGLE FAMILY ZONE THAT MEANS ONE HOME ON ONE LOT. 55% OF IT IS TIED UP

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THIS ONE'S IN RHODE ISLAND 15 UNITS ON ON, UM UNDER AN ACRE. AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. COLLEY GROVE IN PORTLAND, OREGON. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THIS COTTAGE COURT. THE UH, GREEN SPACE IN THE FRONT WAS USED AS A COMMUNITY GARDEN. SO MENTAL HOUSING PROVIDES FOR BOTH ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RENTAL, AND IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP. MIDDLE HOUSING PROVIDES A FULL SPECTRUM AND A FULL RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS FOR BOTH RENT AND OWN. YOU CAN HAVE A COTTAGE COURT AND HAVE ALL THE UNITS ON ONE LOT. YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE UNITS ON A SEPARATE LOT. A COTTAGE COURT IS WELL SET UP FOR SOMETHING LIKE A COMMUNITY, LAND TRUST OR OTHER FORM OF COMMUNITY ORIENTED EQUITY PARTNERSHIP. TOWN HOMES AS WELL AGAIN. THESE ARE TOWN HOMES THEY COULD BE ON. UM INDIVIDUAL LIVES. UH, THEY COULD ALL BE ON THE SAME LOT. THEY COULD BE RENTED. THEY COULD BE SOLD, OR THEY COULD BE A MIX OF BOTH. UH, WE SEE NEW EXAMPLES OF TOWN HOMES. WE SEE OLDER EXAMPLES OF TOWN HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY. JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH A TOWNHOUSE TYPE REGULATION. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, UH, DONE BY OUR PARTNERS AT OPT COASTS. UM IN UTAH, UH, AGAIN. IT'S A TWO STORY TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND THIS ONE HAS A VEHICLE THIS STREET. OTHER TYPES INCLUDE COURTYARD BUILDINGS. UM TWO EXAMPLES AT THE TOP. ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES IS FROM, UH, THE HIGHLANDS OFF, UH, BARDSTOWN ROAD. THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS IN THE SHAWNEE COMMUNITY. UM AGAIN, THEY PROVIDE MULTIPLE HOUSING OPTIONS. ON WHAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND THEY DO IT WITH, UM A LESS MATERIAL LESS LAND USE, AND THEY PROVIDE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL. SO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE ULTIMATELY PART OF THIS MIDDLE HOUSING. UH, SPECTRUM OF IN BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. UM WE HAVE APPROVED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS ONE OF OUR, UM, UH, EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL WE PUT OUT SO WE CREATED REGULATIONS TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. WELL, THEN WE NEEDED TO GO OUT AND REALLY TELL PEOPLE WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT THAT MEANT AND WHAT THEY COULD DO AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT YOU KNOW. WHAT IS AN AU? SO YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROJECT, WE WERE OUT AT THE KROGER ON WEST BROADWAY AND THE KROGER OUT OUTER LOOP, ASKING PEOPLE IF THEY KNEW WHAT AN AD U WAS, BY AND LARGE. NOBODY KNEW WHAT AN A U WAS. GRANNY FLAT. SOME PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THAT WAS

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UM THEY'RE SIMPLE. WE PUT TOGETHER THE STANDARDS. UM YOU KNOW, I. I CAN'T SAY THIS ENOUGH BECAUSE I HAVE A ARP MATERIAL UP ON THE SCREEN. UH, THEY HAVE BEEN AN EXCELLENT PARTNER TO WORK WITH. UH, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY'RE LEADING THE COUNTRY WITH PUTTING OUT MATERIAL FOR ACCESSORY GROWING UNITS ALSO PUTTING OUT MATERIAL FOR MIDDLE HOUSING. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET OLDER AND EVERYBODY IS GONNA NEED A SPACE TO LIVE AND THE SAME SPACES THAT SERVE OUR AGING. POPULATION ARE THE SAME SPACES THAT SERVE ALL OF OUR POPULATIONS AT ALL DIFFERENT STAGES IN LIFE, NO MATTER WHAT PLACE THEY ARE IN LIFE, SO YOU KNOW FOR ANYBODY LISTENING ONLINE OR FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IF YOU HAVEN'T CONNECTED WITH A ARP ABOUT HOUSING AND HOUSING SOLUTIONS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO SO. SO AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT MENTAL HOUSING AND REDEVELOPING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, TAKING SOMETHING LIKE, UH UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE TOP A SINGLE LOT IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE KNOW THAT OUR FOREIGN BORN POPULATION IS GROWING, AND WE KNOW THAT OUR FOREIGN BORN POPULATION LIVES IN MORE MULTIGENERATIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENTS, AND WE KNOW THAT OPTIONS NEED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM. SO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT CERTAINLY PROVIDES, UM THAT, UH, MECHANISM OF LIVING ARRANGEMENT. WE CAN GO A STEP FURTHER. WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE GENERATIONS AND MULTIPLE ARRANGEMENTS UNDER UNDER, YOU KNOW, IN ON ONE PROPERTY IN A SMALL MICRO COTTAGE OR A COTTAGE COURTYARD WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE UNITS ON ONE SIDE, ESSENTIALLY HAVING TWO GRANNY FLATS HAVING TWO MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITES WITH MAYBE A SINGLE UNIT IN THE FRONT OR MAYBE A DUPLEX IN THE FRONT. UM IT'S INCREDIBLE WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH MORE UNITS. UM AND STILL FOR IT AND HEY, EXTREMELY CONSISTENT MANNER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, IN IN EMILY'S PRESENTATION, SHE SHE TALKED ABOUT ZONING REFORM, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT BARRIERS TO MIDDLE HOUSING AND ZONING IS CERTAINLY A BARRIER TO MIDDLE HOUSING. ZONING IS LARGELY A BARRIER TO ALL THINGS HOUSING. UM SO IN MAKING ZONING, YOU KNOW , AND MAKING MIDDLE HOUSING ILLEGAL AND NOT ALLOWING IT IN OUR CURRENT ZONING. UM UH, REGULATIONS AND HAVING NEARLY 100 YEARS OF NOT ALLOWING ME HOUSING WE NOW HAVE MISSING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING BUILDERS.

WE DON'T HAVE A COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUALS THAT BUILD MIDDLE HOUSING. WE DON'T HAVE THE MARKET FOR IT. WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN SPECIALIZE IT AND IN SPECIALIZING IT REDUCE THE COST OF PRODUCING MENTAL HOUSING AS WELL. SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COALITION OF INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN COME ALONG AND BUILD MIDDLE HOUSING AND BUILD MIDDLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY LIVE IN FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. UM YOU KNOW, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, MIDDLE HOUSING THERE ARE, UM YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND PROFIT MARGINS IS A REAL THING WHEN BUILDING AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN, UM, OUR BUILDING CODE THAT MAKE DELIVERY IN A TRIPLEX AND A FOUR PEX, UH MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT COMES IN. ZONING IS JUST ONE PIECE. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OTHER AGENCIES. AND UM OUR OTHER LEGISLATORS AND LAWMAKERS TO BRING FORWARD LARGER CHANGES TO MAKE SURE WE TACKLE THE PIECE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS. SO WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING ON MIDDLE HOUSING? UM WE REALLY FIRST BEGAN TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC IN DECEMBER OF 21 WHERE WE BROUGHT IN. UM UM, A PRESENTER FROM OPTICS DESIGN, UH, TO GIVE AN IN DEPTH PRESENTATION ON MIDDLE HOUSING. WE THEN HELD A CONFERENCE WITH THE CITY OF, UH, LEXINGTON ON ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BECAUSE AGAIN, ZONING JUST BEING ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE WE BROUGHT IN A BUILDER, A LENDER, UH, A REALTOR AND AN APPRAISER TO ALL GIVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THIS A U PUZZLE CAN BE SOLVED FROM ALL LEVELS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THE BANKS STILL HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE LOANING MONEY. THE APPRAISAL STILL HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO DO A COLUMN SO THAT MONEY CAN BE LOANED. AND SO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AND OUR OTHER AGENCIES, UH, TO MAKE SURE OUR ZONING REGULATIONS WORK EFFECTIVELY. AS I MENTIONED WE PLAYED WITH LEGOS WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM SO WE HAD SEVERAL WORKSHOPS AT AT DIFFERENT LIBRARIES. UM, I ALSO WENT TO, UH, THE PLANNING SCHOOL DID AN EXERCISE WITH A GROUP OF PLANNING STUDENTS. UM I'M INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, THE MUHAMMAD ALI SCHOLARS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE. THEY ALSO PUT TOGETHER UM UM A

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GO AHEAD COUNCIL ONE UM, THANK YOU. I. I WAS EXCITED WHEN I SAW EMILY LOU. UM AND SHE ACTUALLY CAME TO A CHAI COUNCIL MEETING AND, UM, INTRODUCED THIS TO, UM, THE SHIVELY COUNCIL AND ITS ATTENDEES. AND UM, HER ENERGY IS AMAZING. I HOUSING IS SO IMPORTANT. AND YOU AND JOEL HAVE , LIKE, REALLY, UM, MADE MY DAY WITH THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S NEEDED. SO MY COMMENTS ARE ONE. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO LET KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DOING TOURS AND EVENTS AND WAYS THAT WE CAN SHARE AND BE, UM, SUPPORTIVE WITH THAT, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THE A RP AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, UM, ALSO, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE HARMS FROM RED LINING AND THE RACIAL AND ECONOMIC SEGREGATION THAT HAS PLAGUED OUR CITY AND I THINK THAT HOUSING IS A WAY TO FIX A LOT OF OUR ISSUES AND WOES AS WE GIVE PATHWAYS TO HOME OWNERSHIP. DIFFERENT VARIETY OF HOME OWNERSHIP, BUT ALSO STABILITY FOR RENTERS. WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RENTERS IN LOUISVILLE OR PEOPLE LOOKING TO RENT AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THOSE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO KNOW. UM WHERE DOES THE PREFAB AND MANUFACTURE HOMES FALL INTO THIS ? UM AND THEN HOW ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT TRAILER PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? AND UH, YEAH. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS TO KEEP IT SHORT, BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UH, WELL, THANK YOU, UH, VERY MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN PARISH WRIGHT, UM, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, MANUFACTURED AND TRAILER TYPE HOUSING, SO WE, UH, PLACE THAT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND WE CALL THAT SOMETHING CALLED FACTORY BUILT HOUSING, UM AS PART OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW. WE ARE REVIEWING THOSE REGULATIONS THAT HAVE DRAFTED CHANGES THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO RELEASE AS SOON TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS FOR UM CITING FACTORY BUILT HOMES EITHER MANUFACTURED OR MODU UM, IS AN EASIER PROCESS THE REGULATIONS ARE ARE ARE MORE UNDERSTANDABLE. THEY'RE NOT AS A LENGTHY AND THAT YOU CAN PLACE A MANUFACTURED OR A MODULAR HOME BECAUSE IT IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION. YOU CAN PLACE THAT ON ANY LOT. IF YOU MAKE MAKE MEET SOME VERY BASIC, UM, DESIGN CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. SIMPLE THINGS LIKE A ROOF FRONT PORCH OR A CERTAIN ROOF PITCH. UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING AWAY. FROM OLDER METHODS OF REGULATING VERY TIGHTLY THE TYPE OF MATERIAL BEING BRICK OR STONE OR OTHERWISE, THAT REALLY GREATLY INCREASES THE COST, UM, WITH RESPECT TO TRAILER PARTS AND MOBILE HOME PARKS, WE

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GP ARGENTI. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. FIRST A GENERAL COMMENT YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT GOALS AND TIMING EARLIER ON II. I THINK WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT. UM EVEN IF IT'S A DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT WE AGREE TO THE MAXIMUM FORMALIZATION BE SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO GO THAT FAR, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE DOCUMENT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW IT'S IN AND OUT OF SCOPE. FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD SAY THAT SOME DISCUSSION ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS, UH BECAUSE THEY PLAY SUCH A CRITICAL ROLE IN HOW WE DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM OVERLAY DISTRICTS. BARDSTOWN ROAD OLD LOUISVILLE HAVE TO BE A PART OF IT. THERE IS BASICALLY ZERO DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THEY OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT STOP ANY TYPE OF MODERNIZATION OR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THERE. UH, SO WE'D HAVE TO SORT OF FORMALIZE SOME OF THAT. UM SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. YOU TALKED ABOUT? THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. WHEN PRESIDENT WINKLER BROUGHT THIS IDEA UP ORIGINALLY, THE IDEA THAT I SAID TO HIM IS AN AND MY CONCERN IS ALREADY MATERIALIZING, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VERY INTERESTED GROUPS HERE AND DON'T TAKE ANY OFFENSE THIS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE DIRECTOR LEO ON HER PENDING RETIREMENT AND MANY, MANY YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, WHICH IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. UM BUT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A BIAS ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. UM, UH DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. YOU MENTIONED DEVELOPMENT COMMU, THE BUILDER COMMUNITY, THE REALTOR COMMUNITY THAT THEY ALL HAVE BIASES, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE BAD. IT JUST MEANS THEY HAVE BIAS. I HAVE A BIAS. WE ALL HAVE THESE BIASES, AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HOW WE CAN ENGAGE AND MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS DO WE HAVE OR MAYBE EVEN FOR YOU, MR CHAIR? HAVE WE CONTEMPLATED A BUDGET TO ENGAGE? UM EXPERT EXPERTS THAT DO NOT HAVE A STAKE IN LOUISVILLE IN OTHER WORDS, THAT NOT BUILDING ANYTHING. THE PROFITABILITY ISN'T TIED TO LOUISVILLE. UH, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT THEY ARE A NATIONAL THOUGHT LEADER AND EXPERT. UM AND FRANKLY, I KNOW YOU CITED A FEW CALIFORNIA EXPERTS. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE LAST PLACE IN AMERICA THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVICE IS FROM THE STATE.

ANYBODY THAT RESIDES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UH, BUT DO WE HAVE SOME NATIONAL EXPERTS THAT KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES MINNEAPOLIS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE DOING AND CON JUXTAPOSE THAT AND GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT WORKS DOESN'T WORK SORT OF THAT NATIONAL EXPERTISE WITHOUT JUST RELYING ON AND I'M NOT BEATING UP ON LOCAL EXPERTS. I'M JUST SAYING, WE ALL HAVE BIAS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE. SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY YES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE DOING, UM IN THE NEXT MEETING, IN ADDITION TO REVIEWING THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A DEEPER DIVE INTO A COUPLE OF CITIES AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE, AND I'M HOPING TO HAVE THOSE PRESENTATIONS DONE BY SOMEBODY IN THOSE CITIES. UM AND IN ADDITION TO I'VE ALSO TALKED TO SOME SOME NATIONAL, UH ORGANIZATIONS, ONE THAT I MET WITH THIS MORNING. UH IN DC.

THEY ARE DOING THINGS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND I'VE ALSO I'M ALSO HOPING THEY CAN COME IN, UH , AND DO A PRESENTATION FOR US, SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ADDRESS THAT YOU CAN YOU GOT IF YOU GUYS HAVE UH, IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET, I THINK EVERYTHING HE'S TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A BUDGET FOR PEOPLE ARE REALLY TRYING TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION. YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY FROM OTHER CITY COME IN. OF COURSE, THEY ARE NOT GONNA CHARGE YOU AND ALSO FROM A NATIONAL LIKE LEVEL AND THEY ARE LIKE TO HELP, UH, SOLVE THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPREAD THE WORD AND YOU CAN JUST BRING THEM IN.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EXPECT US TO PAY THEM. I WILL TAKE 393. SO THANK YOU, UH, TWO MORE QUICK POINTS. MR. CHAIR. ONE IS I WANT . I'VE BEEN SKEPTICAL OF THIS OF THIS IN THE PAST, AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHY I'M SO SKEPTICAL OF THE WAY THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN DONE. CERTAINLY IN THE PAST AND THE NUMBERS THAT I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO SAY. FOR EXAMPLE, THE CURRENT HOUSING YOUTH ASSESSMENT SAYS WE NEED 30,000 MORE UNITS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THE PRESENTATION THAT DIRECTOR LIU JUST PRESENTED NATIONALLY, WE ARE SHORT 4 MILLION UNITS AS A RATIO TO THE AMERICAN POPULATION. THAT IS ABOUT 1.1, RIGHT. RIGHT WHICH HAVE APPLIED

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UM SO YOU KNOW, NEWBURGH LIBRARY BUT YES, WE HOLD EVENTS OUTSIDE THE WATER CENTER SPECIFIC NUMBER. I CAN'T GIVE YOU HERE. HERE'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THE CENSUS DATA WAS FASCINATING. UH, WHEN WE DID REDISTRICTING, UH, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO NOW. AND IT SHOWED, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE MARKET ITSELF IS SOLVING FOR SOME OF THE RACIAL SEGREGATION THAT, UH, HISTORICAL POLICIES AND, UH, INSTITUTIONAL RACISM CREATED RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, RACIAL DEMOGRAPHICS ARE

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NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD JUST BE GONE. AND VERY SPECIFICALLY, WE SEE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, A PREPONDERANCE OF, UH WHITE, ONLY FAMILIES MOVING INTO THE WEST END AND WE SEE INCREDIBLE MOVEMENT OF BLACK ONLY FAMILIES. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN INTERRACIAL ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS DOESN'T GET SPECIFIC ON WHAT INTERRACIAL MEANS. SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE FASTEST GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC OF FAMILIES, UH BUT THEY'RE MOVING TO THE EAST END AND THE SOUTH END.

RIGHT SO WE'RE SEEING THIS MASS MIGRATION, WHICH THE MARKET IS DRIVING. FANTASTIC THING. UM BUT THE TWO THIRDS NOW OF OUR RESIDENTS LIVE OUTSIDE THE WATERS, AND INCREASINGLY, THEY'RE LIVING OUTSIDE THE GENE SNYDER MY ENTIRE DISTRICT MINUS ABOUT A QUARTER OF IT IS OUTSIDE THE GENE SNYDER. SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE SAY CENTRAL THAT MAY BE GEOGRAPHICALLY TRUE.

IT MAY NOT BE BASED ON WHERE THE CURRENT POPULATION OF THE CITY LIVES, UH AND MOST OF OUR LIBRARIES, FRANKLY, ARE NOT IN THE MOST EASTWARD WON IS THE MIDDLETOWN LIBRARY, AND IT'S INSIDE THE GENE SNYDER RIGHT, IT IT DOESN'T EVEN GO OUTSIDE OF THAT, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING UP AS YOU'RE DOING THAT. LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ENGAGING SOME OF THESE, UH SUBURBAN AREAS AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE POPULATION DENSITY HAS MIGRATED TO. THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU CAN PROVIDE WITH US SOME LOCATIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO THE SUBURBAN FIRE DEPARTMENTS USUALLY HAVE MEETING ROOMS. UM SO THAT WE CAN GET CREATIVE ON THAT WITH YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SIMON THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I'VE BEEN HERE. FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM THEY TELL ME IT'S HAS TO DO WITH THE AMI.

UM I DID A STUDY IN MY DISTRICT. UM THE AVERAGE APARTMENT IN MY DISTRICT IS $1255 WITH THE HIGHEST ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT IS $1427. WE ARE BEING LUMPED IN MY DISTRICT FAIRDALE SOUTH OF GENE SNYDER, UM, NOT A WEALTHY. AREA, BUT THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. THERE IS $56,000. THEY LED IT IN WHAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING 100,000 OR MORE IN OTHER AREAS. HOW IS THAT FAIR? AND HOW ARE WE DEFINING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO PAY $1400 FOR A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT? UH, COUNCILMAN SIMON. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I THINK I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. AND ALSO COUNCILOR PIATTI'S QUESTION MAY BE AT THE SAME TIME. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ANSWER YOURS ABOUT THAT FOR MEETING. HOUSING SHORTAGE AT 4 MILLION IS RELATIVELY LOW ESTIMATE I'VE SEEN AS HIGH AS 7 MILLION, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT JUST A TOTAL NUMBER IS ABOUT THE HOUSING, UH, THAT SERVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INCOME. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN AFFORD 1400? YOU KNOW, RENT. IT'S PROBABLY SMALL PORTION, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED A LOAD. THAT'S WHY THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR LOUISVILLE IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT GAVE YOU WHAT DEEP DIVE OF WHICH LEVEL I THINK THE 30% 31% HOUSING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR THE LOWEST INCOME LIKE 31% 30% AMI. THOSE ARE THE INCOME LEVEL WERE SHORTAGE OF 31,000 HOUSING. THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE NEW NUMBER YET, ASSUMING IT'S ONLY GONNA GET SO THAT IS WHAT IS NOT EVERYBODY, THE PEOPLE THAT YOUR INCOME LEVEL MY INCOME LEVEL PROBABLY DO NOT HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF CHOICES. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE LEAST 30% THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE CHOICE . THEY DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF CHOICE IN YOUR DISTRICT. IF YOU'RE DISTRICT RENT IS 1214 100 . A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY CANNOT AFFORD THAT. THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES THE SUBSIDY NEED TO COME IN TO STEP IN TO HELP THAT THE MARKET ITSELF WILL NOT ADDRESS THAT. AND I THINK IT PROBABLY BE HELPFUL WHEN IN TWO WEEKS THE HOUSING DIRECTOR WILL COME HERE PRESENT THAT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IT'S GONNA BE, UH, KIND OF ALIGNED VERY WELL WITH WHAT SHE'S PRESENTING.

THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NUMBERS. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT INCOME LEVEL THAT WE NEED MORE HOUSING.

COUNCILWOMAN PER THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMAN PIATTI'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, THE WEST. I THINK YOU REFERENCED BEN, THE MAJORITY AFRICAN AMERICANS. WHAT HAVE YOU , UH, OF, I WOULD SAY 93% AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE WEST END. THERE ARE ONLY 24% OF THOSE

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IT'S VERY POINT BY POINT. WHEN YOU DO. THERE'S ALSO A HOUSING SUPPLY. THERE'S OTHER IN THERE OTHER THAN MANUFACTURE HOME A MODULE HOME THAT WE MENTIONED. THERE'S ALSO CONVERGING FROM THESE OFFICES. THE DOWNTOWN OFFICES HAVE A HIGH VACANCY RATE AND HOW TO CONVERT THAT INTO HOUSING. THAT'S A CHALLENGE BUT ALSO OP OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIME ESPECIALLY NOW WE HAVE A VACANCY RATE OF ALMOST LIKE 25% THEY'RE ALSO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES LIKE HOTELS, THE HOTELS, USUALLY 10 YEARS AFTER THAT, IT'S YEAH, THE 1ST 10 YEARS VERY, VERY, UH, KIND OF WORK VERY WELL AND WE CAN COVER SOME OF THE HOTELS TO HOUSING AND SO WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION. THEY HAVE LAND AND THEY MIGHT BE WAITING. SO IF YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE IN ORDER TO SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION THEN, AND I HOPE WE'LL GET THIS ONE ANSWERED AS WE GO DOWN THE LINE, BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT MIDDLE HOUSING AND THE COMPARISON TO THE GIANT. UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD.

THOSE ARE TEND TO BE OWNED BY BIG DEVELOPERS IS THE MIDDLE HOUSING FROM WHAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED IN OTHER CITIES. DOES THAT TEND TO BE ON MORE BY SMALLER? SMALLER COMPANIES, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LIVING IN THEM. YES UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HEAVILY AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. THE UM MIDDLE HOUSE IN THE TRIP PLATFORM FOR PLAY NOT ONLY PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE OWNERSHIP BECAUSE IT CAN BE RENTAL CAN BE UNOCCUPIED. IT ALSO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR SMALL DEVELOPER FOR LOCAL DEVELOPER FOR DEVELOP OF, UH, MINORITY DEVELOPERS SO THAT TRADITIONALLY THE TRADITIONAL NOT AT THE TABLE, BUT I HAVE TO SAY WE NEED TO REMOVE BARRY. THAT'S WHY FOR AD U WE EVEN DEVELOPED APPROVED

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UM, THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE. SO THEN YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SO? GETTING THE MATERIAL OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SHARING IN NEWSLETTERS , UM, IS A REALLY EASY PLACE TO START WITH SOMETHING LIKE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. UM UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO TO OUR LIBRARY HOURS, WE CONTINUE TO SHARE THIS MATERIAL AND TALK ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, AS AN OPTION, UM AND THEN YOU KNOW? HOW DO WE THEN CONNECT FOLKS TO FINANCING BECAUSE ACCESS TO CAPITAL UM, IS A MAJOR BARRIER TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A US. SO HOW DO WE FIND UNIQUE OR INNOVATIVE FUNDING SOLUTIONS TO HELP PEOPLE GET OFF THE GROUND TO CONSTRUCT AN AD U TO THEN REAP THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL INCOME SOURCE ON THEIR PROPERTY? JUST A FOLLOW UP ON THAT SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I. I WAS SPEAKING FOR THE SUBURBAN AREAS. UH, IF I WAS TO PUT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ON MY PROPERTY. WHAT I GUESS THE QUESTIONS I WOULD PEOPLE WOULD ASK ME OR HOW DOES THAT HURT OR INCREASE THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY AND IN A FINANCE FINANCING QUESTION WOULD BE COULD WE BORROW EQUITY OFF OF OUR HOME TO BUILD THAT ON OUR PROPERTY, OR IS IT BETTER TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE CHANNEL? SO AS A ZONING OFFICIAL. I CAN'T ANSWER THE SPECIFICS OF HOW MONEY IS, IS LENDED. BUT IN IN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF TALKING TO LENDERS AND APPRAISERS, UM HA, HAVING AN AD U ON YOUR PROPERTY INCREASES YOUR PROPERTY VALUE. YOU'VE INCREASED THE REAL COST OF YOUR LAND BY ADDING VALUE WITH JUST THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONE . UM BUT THEN YOU HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL SOURCE OF INCOME TO USE TO MAKE YOUR PROPERTY MORE VALUABLE AS WELL. SO, YEAH, PUTTING AN YOU ON YOUR PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S ATTACHED OR DE DETACHED. UH, THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT IT WILL INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY VALUE. THANK YOU. AND ONE LAST QUICK, QUICK QUESTION YOUR MEETINGS OF THE LIBRARY. HOW ARE YOUR TURNOUTS LOOKING SO THE LIBRARY CONVERSATIONS AGAIN, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE AGENDA LESS. WE DON'T DO A PRESENTATION . UH WE SET AT THE TABLE SOMETIMES OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIBRARY. SOMETIMES WE SIT IN A ROOM WE AVERAGE ABOUT 6 TO 8 PEOPLE A MEETING. BUT THAT'S 6 TO 81 ON ONE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT THESE FOLKS DON'T GET ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING A PRESENTATION, SAYING EVERYBODY ALL AT ONCE.

COME TO. YOU KNOW THE NEWBURGH LIBRARY? WE'RE GONNA PRESENT ON SOMETHING WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE AT THESE DIFFERENT LIBRARIES FOR HOURS. COME AND TALK TO US. WE WANNA KNOW WHAT'S FAIR IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S NOT FAIR IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS WHERE YOU SEE YOURSELF IN THE FUTURE, WHAT THE FUTURE OF HOUSING SHOULD BE OR COULD BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

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II. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW THAT UP WITH ONE OTHER THING. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MIDDLE HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'VE SPENT TWO YEARS REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND ALSO HOW EFFECTIVE IT CAN BE AT ADDING UNITS TO THE HOUSING MIX. FOR ME, THIS SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE LOWEST HANGING PIECES OF LOWEST LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE CAN CAN KIND OF ATTACK AND SO WHAT? WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? YOU GUYS HAVE A DRAFT PLAN? IF YOU IF YOU SUBMITTED THAT DRAFT PLAN TO THIS COMMITTEE UM, WHAT WOULD THAT WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE TO TRY TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED? PASSED AND IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, IN SHORT ORDER. SO WE HAVE A KIND OF AN OFFICE POLICY WHERE ANY OF OUR REGULATIONS THAT WE DRAFT WE PUT OUT FOR A 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD, SO WE PUT OUT A DRAFT OF THE REGULATIONS AND WE RELEASE IT FOR A 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD AFTER THAT, 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD. WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THE DRAFT. WE'LL SEE WHATEVER CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES BEFORE WE RE RELEASE THE DRAFT. WE'LL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE, OR, UM, SOME FORM OF COMMUNITY EVENTS PUBLIC HERE OR NOT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE WILL HOLD EVENTS. UM, WE'LL HOLD AN OPEN HOUSE. WILL DO MULTIPLE OPEN HOUSES, BUT ALSO OUR LIBRARY HOURS ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. UM AFTER THAT, UH UH, EVENT. YOU KNOW, WE RE RELEASE THE DRAFT. WE'LL PUT IT OUT FOR ANOTHER COUPLE WEEK. UH, COMMENT PERIOD.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN TWO YEARS TO TALK ABOUT MENTAL HOUSING. UM WE NEED TO GIVE IT ITS TIME OUT IN THE SUN. THE DRAFT OF THE REGULATIONS ITSELF TO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD BRING IT TO OUR PLANNING COMMITTEE AFTER PLANNING COMMITTEE, WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT WOULD COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, UM AND THEN ON TO THE FULL COUNCIL. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU, UM I. I THINK THIS COMMITTEE CAN KIND OF HELP. WE DON'T NEED TO FOCUS ON HOUSING LIKE A WHOLE MEETING ON MENTAL HOUSING. BUT I THINK WE CAN AS A COMMITTEE KIND OF HELP. MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD AND THAT WE'RE HELPING HELPING US USHER THAT ALONG AND CONTINUING THAT DISCUSSION. UM THE LA LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS COUNCIL P ARGENTI. YOU MENTIONED A FEW THINGS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BE HAVE BROUGHT UP DURING THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. UH, I WOULD REQUEST THAT ANYBODY THAT AS SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DISCUSS, UH TO EMAIL ME THOSE THINGS. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL GET TO ALL OF THEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM ALL AND THEY MAY NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS. WE MAY BE ABLE TO HIT TWO OR THREE OF THOSE TOPICS WITHIN ONE PRESENTATION OR ONE CONVERSATION. BUT IF EVERYBODY WOULD EMAIL ME THOSE TOPICS, UM LET ME JUST TELL YOU THE ONES THAT I HAVE KIND OF COME UP WITH ALREADY. JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM DIRECTOR TALKED ABOUT GOVERNMENT INITIATED UP ZONING. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT INCREASING DENSITY AND REDUCING HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN EDGE NEIGHBORHOODS DOWNTOWN AND

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[Adjournment Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.]