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IT.WE WILL BE STARTING AT ABOUT ONE MINUTE. WE. MADAM CLARK. DO I HAVE THE CORN? YES, MA'AM. YOU HAVE A HOME. OK, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THIS IS THE REGULAR COMMUNITY OF FS HOUSING, HEALTH AND EDUCATION COMMITTEE. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, MARCH 6TH 2024, AND IT'S ABOUT 130. UM MADE MEMBERS IS CHAIR COUNCILWOMAN BARBARA SHANKLIN. VICE CHAIR. STU UH, COUNCILMAN STEWART DANSON, BUT MADE A MEMBER COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS. COMMITTEE MEMBER, COUNCILMAN JO UH, JOR ARTHUR COUNT COULD NEARLY COMMITTEE MEMBER ANDREW COUNSELMAN ANDREW OWEN. COMMITTEE MEMBER COUNCILMAN DAN SAM JUNIOR COMMITTEE MEMBER COUNCILWOMAN MARILYN PARKER. OK? COMMITTEE MEMBER OF COUNCILWOMAN BETSY ROY. SHANKMAN YOU ALSO GET A PRESIDENT WINKLER HERE, AND COUNCILMAN P, ARGENTINA. OK? AND COUNCILWOMAN SHAMEKA PARRISH WRIGHT. I'M ATTENDING REMOTELY CHAIRWOMAN. OK, THANK YOU. UH, THE REGULARLY. UM, OBVIOUSLY, THAT MADAM CLERK. CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE MEETING? NOTICE THIS MEETING'S BEEN HELP FOR C TO KRS 61.826 AND COUNCIL 584. THANK YOU. OK, UM AND GOING THROUGH THE SCRIPT BECAUSE THERE'S ONE ORDINANCE. UH A PROVEN IT. DISTRIBUTION OF MONEY OR WANTED TO LOWER THEM WOULD NOT BE HEARD TODAY. THAT WAS CANCELED. I'M NOT CORRECT. UH, MET CLERK YES, MA'AM. IT WAS OK? SO THE NEXT ON THE AGENDA. IS CAN YOU READ THE RESOLUTION? HER ITEM? ONE RESOLUTION 00724, A RESOLUTION URGING THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT TO CALL FOR AND FACILITATE A CEASEFIRE IN PAKISTAN AND ISRAEL READY IN FULL OK, THANK YOU. IT'S UH MOTION HAS BEEN MADE IN SECOND.
IS THERE, COUNCILMAN TO QUARRY AUTHORS. I CAN SEE IT. I THINK I CAN SEE HERE I CAN SEE OK. UH, CATCHMAN AR YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND READ YOUR, UH YOU'VE ALREADY READ YOUR RESOLUTION. UH, YOU CAN SPEAK AND THEN AFTER YOU SPEAK, PRESIDENT OF WINKLER WILL BE SPEAKING. THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIRWOMAN. BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION OF THIS RESOLUTION
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THAT I'D LIKE TO VOTE ON FIRST. SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THE MOST RECENT VERSION AND A MOTION THAT AMENDMENT IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S ONLINE? OR IS THAT AD? IT'S THE ONE THAT'S ONLINE. YES, MA'AM.OK? GO. UH, WE HAVE TO GO ON THE CAN YOU READ THAT ONE IN BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT ON MY PAPER.
MADAM CLERK CAN READ THE I MET MANY. UM YOU CAN'T. I CAN'T. DO YOU WANT US TO READ THE ENTIRE, UM, RESOLUTION, BUT YEAH, SO IT IT'S JUST IT'S THE SAME TITLE, MA'AM. OH, I'M THE AMENDMENT THAT HE MADE. OH, YOU MEAN WHAT ON THE SHE WANTS TO WHERE THE NAME THAT HE CHANGED ON THE ORIGINAL ONE I. I GET YOU AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU SO, COUNCILMAN BENSON SECONDED THAT SO WE'LL LET HIM TELL YOU WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT ONE MOMENT, OK? YES SO IT REALLY JUST SHORTENS THE LEGISLATION SIMPLIFIES IT, AND IT MAKES THREE CLEAR POINTS, ONE CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE TO CALLING FOR A RETURN OF ALL HOSTAGES AND THREE CALLING FOR AN UNIMPEDED DISTRIBUTION OF HUMANITARIAN AID. THERE'S ALSO A SECTION ABOUT FOREIGN MILITARY AID. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE ATTACHED AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE SYSTEM SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, AND IT IS LABELED PROPOSED C A BS 030624 URGENT FACILITATION OF A CEASEFIRE. OK? MM. YEAH, WE CAN VOTE ON IT RIGHT? YES, I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT. SO YEAH. A. AND WE HAVEN'T NOBODY OK? UH, IT'S NOT DELAYS. SO NOBODY'S VOTED FOR IT SO UH, IT PASSED, MA'AM.
IT PASSED BECAUSE, SEE, I CAN'T SEE IT. HE PASSED UP ON THE SCREEN. NO, MA'AM. IT WAS A VOICE VOTE. AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM UM, VOTED YES. OH, OK, SO THE AMENDED VERSION IS BEFORE YOU OK, ALL IN ST VERSION. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE AMENDED VERSION, MA'AM. IT'S READY FOR DISCUSSION. OK MAY I? YES YOU CAN SEE I CAN SEE BORED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP ON THAT BOARD. OK THANK YOU. AND BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE ALL OF OUR GUEST. THAT ARE IN THE GALLERY. WELCOME TO CITY HALL. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT THIS ISSUE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND I THANK YOU. I INVITE YOU TO COME BACK. PLEASE PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP COMING BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES ACROSS THE WORLD AND ACROSS OUR CITY THAT NEED MORE PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM. SO PLEASE KEEP COMING BACK AND PLEASE KEEP USING YOUR VOICES. AS I SAID. THIS RESOLUTION URGES OUR FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO THREE THINGS RELATED TO THE PALESTINE AND ISRAEL CONFLICT. FACILITATE A CEASEFIRE FACILITATE A SAFE AND SECURE RETURN OF HOSTAGES AND FACILITATING UNIMPEDED DISTRIBUTION OF HUMANITARIAN AID. SECTION FOUR ALSO REQUEST OUR FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PRIORITIZE FUNDING FOR DOMESTIC NEEDS A SET OF FOREIGN MILITARY AID WHEN POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. A GROUP OF PALESTINIANS.
JEWISH PEOPLE. AND OTHER ALLIED CONSTITUENTS ASKED US TO PUT IT HERE. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GAZA IS RELEVANT TO LOUISVILLE IN MANY WAYS. BUT WE CAN REALLY CATEGORIZE THEM IN THREE NUMBER ONE IS RELEVANT SOCIALLY. IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS MARCHED AT THE NATION'S CAPITAL TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING LOUISVILLE, WHO ORGANIZED CARPOOLS TO BE THERE. AFTER THAT. LOUISVILLE INS CONTINUED TO PROTEST BEFORE THAT LOUISVILLE WERE RALLYING ABOUT THIS ISSUE, LIKE IN MAY, 2021 WHEN PALESTINIANS AND THEIR ALLIES HELD A RALLY IN FRONT OF THE METRO HALL TODAY, OVER 1800 OF THOSE LOUISVILLE SIGNED A PETITION IN SUPPORT OF OUR RESOLUTION, AND THAT PETITION IS ATTACHED TO THE LEGISLATION.
SOME OF OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE GETTING BOMBED. BOMBING THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE KILLING OF OVER 30,000 PEOPLE IN JUST A FEW MONTHS. OUR MAYOR HAS DECLARED PUBLICLY HIS SUPPORT OF ISRAEL. THE BIG FOUR BRIDGE WAS LIT WITH COLORS OF THE ISRAELI FLAG. OVER THE PAST FEW METRO COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND SO MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP THAT WE'VE NEEDED TWO EXTRA OVERFLOW ROOMS. WE'RE ON THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. THIS ISSUE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT A COMMUNITY AFFAIR. NUMBER TWO.
IT'S RELEVANT ECONOMICALLY. AN ESTIMATED $9.4 MILLION WORTH OF LOCAL TAXES ARE USED ANNUALLY TO SUPPORT ISRAEL $25.5 MILLION OF STATE TAXES AND $3.8 BILLION OF FEDERAL TAXES. WE SHOULD HAVE AN
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OPINION ABOUT HOW OUR TAXES ARE BEING USED. WE SHOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THEM ARE MAKING WEAPONS FOR ISRAEL. NUMBER THREE IS RELEVANT POLITICALLY. METRO COUNCIL HAS USED RESOLUTIONS TO INFLUENCE OTHER BRANCHES AND HIGHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT IN THE PAST. IN 2022, WE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF UKRAINE , A FOREIGN COUNTRY AT WAR WITH ANOTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY, RUSSIA. WE HAVE THE UKRAINIAN FLAG BEING FLOWN IN FRONT OF METRO HALL AND CITY HALL GOT LIT UP WITH THE COLORS OF UKRAINE. 575 UKRAINIAN KIDS HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE FEBRUARY, 2022 AND WE PASSED A RESOLUTION UNANIMOUSLY. 12,000 PALESTINIAN KIDS HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE OCTOBER. 2023 AND SOME OF US THINK WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IT. THE RESOLUTION FOR UKRAINE SAYS SOMETHING POWERFUL THAT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS WE VOTE. IT URGED THE MAYOR OF A SISTER CITY IN RUSSIA TO DO THIS SHARE TRUTH. PROMOTE PEACE. AND FIGHT FOR HUMAN VALUES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. THAT SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYONE. AND IF YOU BELIEVE IT DOES VOTE YES. THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN. THANK YOU. UM MR PRESIDENT. THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. IS THAT OK? OR DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? UH, LET'S LET'S WAIT TILL AFTER YOU SPEAK. TOTALLY UP TO YOU. I MEAN, I'M IN THE QUEUE. I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YEAH OH, THAT'S IT DID. YOU WON'T ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU? ARE YOU GONNA GO AHEAD FIRST? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SPEAK. UH, I MEAN, I THINK I CAN'T. I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION. SO I MEAN, I THINK THE QUEUE IS STILL OPEN POST ME. I MEAN, I SO MAY I GO AHEAD. YES, THANK YOU. SO I WANTED TO THANK THE COSPONSOR AND I APPRECIATE WORKING WITH COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. UM FINDING MIDDLE GROUND. YOU KNOW, I. I ALWAYS APPLAUD COUNCILMAN ARTHUR'S WILLINGNESS TO DISCUSS ISSUES AND WORK THROUGH THEM, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR HIS PARTNERSHIP. UM ALSO TELL YOU PERSONALLY THAT YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT A CEASEFIRE AND HEARTBROKEN FOR THE SUFFERING IN GAZA, ISRAEL AND ANY OTHER CONFLICT ZONE IN THE WORLD. UM I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU KNOW THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE GLAD TO WRITE A LETTER TO SENATORS. MCCONNELL SENATORS, PAUL CONGRESSMAN MCGARVEY AND WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE ALL OF THE 1800 PEOPLE, UM AND THOUSANDS MORE THAT FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ISSUE TO DO THE SAME THING TO CALL SENATOR MCCONNELL'S OFFICE TO WRITE, UH, SENATOR PAUL A LETTER . IN FACT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY MORE IMPACTFUL THAN A RESOLUTION FROM COS IF THOUSANDS OR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE REACH OUT TO THOSE OFFICES. I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER IMPACT THAN ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO HERE. I THINK REALLY , TO ME. THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT NATIONALIZING COUNCIL OR IN THIS CASE, INTERNATIONALIZING COS I IS NOT GOOD POLICY. UM AND I KNOW THAT WE PASSED A RESOLUTION ON ON UKRAINE, WHERE I THINK THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON MEASURES THAT DISADVANTAGE PEOPLE, UM IN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LARGER AIM. PERHAPS IT'S WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, BANNED RETAIL PET STORES OR WHEN WE, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WORK ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION OR ANY OTHER LEGISLATION THAT WE HAVE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE. PART OF THE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE, AND THAT FEEL, UM THAT THEY ARE SOMEHOW THE LOSER OF WHATEVER THAT REGULATION OR OR, UM YOU KNOW, DECISION THAT WE MAKE IS THE PROBLEM FOR ME WITH THIS RESOLUTION, EITHER BECAUSE OF WHAT IT IS WHAT IT WAS, OR MAYBE WHAT PEOPLE PERCEIVE IT TO BE THAT IT THAT IT NEVER WAS. IS IT WADES INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF CONFLICT CONFLICT THAT IS DEEPLY PERSONAL. THOSE INVOLVED IT'S HIGHLY COMPLEX, DEEPLY NUANCED, AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE ANYONE FALLS ON THE ISSUE, TRYING TO BOIL A POSITION DOWN ON A COMPLICATED ISSUE LIKE THIS TO A FEW PARAGRAPHS. I AM SURE, UH IS LIABLE TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD OR MISINTERPRETED BY SOME MEMBERS OF OUR CITY, AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL FEEL THAT GOVERNMENT DOESN'T SPEAK FOR THEM DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THEM OR OVER SIMPLIFIES A DEEPLY DIVISIVE ISSUE. I IN SHORT, IT'S GONNA CAUSE HARM, UM, TO SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WHILE NOT SERVING TO ACCOMPLISH. ANYTHING WE ULTIMATELY HAVE NO SAY IN FEDERAL POLICY, EVEN LESS SAY IN INTERNATIONAL POLICY, UM I THINK IF PASSING THIS RESOLUTION ULTIMATELY LED TO A CEASEFIRE, YOU KNOW IF WE HAD A SAY IN THE MATTER AT ALL, THEN I WOULD[00:20:06]
AGREE THAT THE DEBATE IS WORTH HAVING, AND THAT THAT PUTTING PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE HAS MERIT. BUT THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT NO RESOLUTION BY COUNSEL WILL ADDRESS THIS MATTER. AND AS SUCH , I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A VOTE ON THIS COMMITTEE. I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION. BUT AS SUCH, I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION. UM AND THEN LET'S WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE TO CALL SENATOR MCCONNELL TO WRITE LETTERS TO SENATOR PAUL, UH, AND TRIED TO TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE AREA WHERE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE AN IMPACT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MAY I RESPOND DIRECTLY SINCE HE MENTIONED ME? UM I GUESS SO IT'S GONNA BE SHORT. YES, MA'AM. I'LL JUST SAY THAT AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, THEY STILL TOTALLY IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A RESOLUTION ABOUT AN INTERNATIONAL ISSUE IN 2022. NOT ONLY DID WE PASS THAT RESOLUTION ONCE AGAIN, CITY HALL WAS LIT UP WITH THE UKRAINIAN COLORS. THE BRIDGE WAS PROBABLY LIT UP. IF SOMEBODY CAN LOOK THAT UP, I'M SURE IT WAS OUR MAYOR HAS PUBLICLY SPOKEN ABOUT THIS ISSUE. WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT FOREIGN AFFAIRS WE COMMENT ON, AND WE DON'T COMMENT ON THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE WHO HAVE BEEN BEGGING US TO SPEAK UP ALONG WITH THEM. AND IF YOU'RE JUST NOW, SAYING WE SHOULD WRITE LETTERS TO OUR SENATORS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE WE FILED THIS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING FORTH TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY ALONE PASSING THIS RESOLUTION. NO WILL NOT HAVE IMPACT, BUT WE'RE NOT ALONE. WE'RE JOINING OVER 70 OTHER MAJOR AMERICAN CITIES. TO CALL FOR PEACE. SO LET'S NOT ACT LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY IS IN ISOLATION. WE ARE JOINING A CHOIR OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING FOR PEACE AROUND THIS COUNTRY. WE ALSO HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING USED FOR THIS ISSUE. WE ARE NOT FOREIGN TO THIS ISSUE AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THIS IS A FOREIGN ISSUE. OBVIOUSLY. OBVIOUSLY LOUISVILLE IS NOT IN GAZA. BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THIS CROWD RIGHT NOW, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO THE NEWS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, INCLUDING THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, NO LOUISVILLE IS NOT IN GAZA. BUT GAZA IS IN LOUISVILLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IN THE QUEUE IS PAGES FIRST, AND THEN HOPKINS AND CURS W. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UH, I. I WANT TO START WITH AGREEMENT. I ALWAYS LIKE STARTING WITH AGREEMENT. UH, I THINK I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE SAID HERE. FIRST OF ALL THE SECOND WE'RE AS CLAUSE RELATED TO CONDEMNING ANTI-SEMITISM ISLAMOPHOBIA, ANTI PALESTINIAN ANTI-ISRAELI SENTIMENTS. UH, COULDN'T AGREE MORE BEING AGAINST HATE AND AGAINST THOSE STATEMENTS. SECTION TWO RELATED TO THE RELEASE OF HOSTAGES, OBVIOUSLY, UH I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT AND I WANT TO SAY, SIMILAR TO WHAT PRESIDENT WINKLER SAID. I'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATED. UH, MY COLLEAGUES AND COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AND I JUST HAD A LONGER HISTORY THAN COUNCILWOMAN PARISH WRIGHT AND I HAD AND I KNOW HE HAS MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THIS. I THINK WHICH MOVING IN IN A BETTER DIRECTION, BUT I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I AM DOING TWO THINGS TODAY. NUMBER ONE ENCOURAGING A VOTE. I DISAGREE STRONGLY WITH MY COLLEAGUE, PRESIDENT WINKLER. FOR SEVERAL REASONS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH, WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM, MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS ISSUE. IT DESERVES A RIGHT TO BE HEARD AND TO BE VOTED ON PERIOD FULL STOP. OK? NOW. I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST IT. BUT THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE I STAND. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE WE ALL STAND. AND UH SO I'M I'M NOT CALLING ON AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS COMMITTEE NOT TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UM I DO. WANNA MENTION THE UKRAINE RESOLUTION. IN RETROSPECT, IT WAS PROBABLY A MISTAKE. WE HAVE DEBATED FOR A LONG TIME IN THIS CHAMBER ABOUT, UH, THE USEFULNESS OF RESOLUTIONS AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO THINK THROUGH MORE GENERALLY WHAT THE UTILITY OF THESE ARE WITH THAT SAID, I DO WANT TO DRAW A DIFFERENTIATION. UKRAINE WAS INVADED BY A FOREIGN HOSTILE POWER. ISRAEL WAS INVADED ON OCTOBER THE SEVENTH BY A FOREIGN OUTSIDE POWER. UH SO IF I WERE TO SUPPORT ANY RESOLUTION, IT WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNTRY THAT WAS INVADED. UM I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE OBVIOUSLY I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUES HERE NUMBER ONE, THE STATEMENT THAT THERE'S NO MILITARY SOLUTION. I QUITE SIMPLY DISAGREE. THERE ARE MILITARY SOLUTIONS TO MANY OF THE MOST HISTORIC, UH, PROBLEMS THAT HAVE PLAGUED THE WORLD. NOT TO MENTION AS AN EXAMPLE, WORLD WAR TWO, THE CIVIL WAR AND THE BEGINNING OF THE ELIMINATION OF SLAVERY, UH, IN THIS COUNTRY WAS[00:25:03]
DONE THROUGH WAR AND UNFORTUNATELY SPEAKING FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN TO IT, WAR IS HELL. PERIOD FULL STOP. I WISH IT UPON NOBODY. I DO NOT WISH IT UPON THE GAZA STRIP. I DO NOT WISH IT UPON THE COUNTRY OF ISRAEL IN ANY WAY. BUT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE REALITY.THAT THE STATEMENT THAT THERE IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION TO CERTAIN INTERNATIONAL PROBLEMS IS NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. MY OTHER ISSUE WITH THIS STATEMENT IN GENERAL, THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION HAMAS. NO MENTION OF THAT. THAT IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR. THERE CAN BE PEACE. PEACE WILL BE ACHIEVED WHEN HOSTAGES ARE RELEASED, AND WHEN HAMAS IS NO LONGER THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE GAZA STRIP. AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THAT IS SO CRITICAL. AND I'M GOING TO BE READING STATEMENTS. DIRECTLY FROM HAMAS LEADERSHIP.
STATEMENTS BY HAMAS OFFICIALS. MAKING CLEAR THAT TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS COMMITMENT TO DESTROYING ISRAEL AND KILLING JEWS. ISHMAEL HANIYA IN 2020. EXPLAINING THAT HAMAS REJECTS ALL CEASEFIRE AGREEMENTS BY WHICH QUOTE GAZA WOULD BECOME SINGAPORE. REFERRING TO REMAINING AT WAR WITH ISRAEL UNTIL A PALESTINIAN STATE IS ESTABLISHED FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA. CONTINUING TO QUOTE WE CANNOT IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY OR PROJECTS GIVE UP PALESTINE AND OUR WEAPONS. WE WILL NOT GIVE UP THE RESISTANCE. WE WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL. THAT IS A COMPLETE STATEMENT, BY THE WAY, CONTINUING TO QUOTE PALESTINE MUD STRETCH FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, WHICH MEANS THE JORDAN RIVER TO THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA. IT IS HAMAS WHO REJECTS PEACE.
IT IS RES HAMAS WHO REJECTS A TWO STATE SOLUTION. I WILL ALSO QUOTE AHMAD ABD AL HADI HAMA, THE HAMAS REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE IN LEBANON. THIS IS OCTOBER 12TH 2023. LAID OUT HAMAS'S EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BE THAT, UH, ISRAEL WOULD SUE FOR PEACE AND INDICATED THAT CEASEFIRE IS PART OF HAMAS' OVERALL STRATEGY. BUT HE WAS NOT AT LIBERTY TO SAY WHAT EXACTLY? HAMAS HAS PLANNED FOR THE NEXT STEP AFTER A CEASEFIRE AND STATED THAT OCTOBER, 7TH HAD ACHIEVED ITS INTENDED PURPOSE OF LANDING, QUOTE, A BLOW TO THE NORMALIZATION OF RELATIONS BETWEEN ISRAEL AND ARAB COUNTRIES. I BELIEVE PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY WORDS LIKE THIS. I KNOW WE WANT TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY RESPECTS LIFE THE SAME WAY YOUR AVERAGE AMERICAN RESPECTS LIKE THE SAME WAY THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE HERE PROTESTING RESPECT LIFE I CAN TELL YOU WITH FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT DO NOT RESPECT LIFE IN THAT MANNER. AND THEN I WILL JUST THEN FINALIZE BY AGREEING WITH MY COLLEAGUE. WE HAD FOUR LOUISVILLE INS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. MURDERED THIS WEEKEND HERE IN LOUISVILLE. WE HAVE NEVER PASSED A CEASEFIRE RESOLUTION IN LOUISVILLE. I AM SO SORRY. I CREDIT TO COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS, WHO ALREADY SAID THIS PUBLICLY BUT THE QUESTION IS WHY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY USELESS. IT WOULDN'T DO. ANYTHING TO STOP THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED THIS WEEKEND FROM BEING KILLED. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM IS TO REDUCE HOMICIDES IS TO ARREST PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL OTHERS AND TO PUT THEM BEHIND BARS. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. I AM ENCOURAGING . I AM ENCOURAGING MY COLLEAGUES NOT TO TABLE THIS. EVERYBODY INCLUDING THOSE HERE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THIS, AND I'M ENCOURAGING MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO ON IT.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OK? YEAH, MY SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU. IF WE KEEP ON YOU OUR COUNSEL, THE I WOULD COUNSEL THE MEETING AND OK, SO IF YOU WANNA KEEP CALLING, THEN WE JUST STOP THE MEETING. THANK YOU. NEXT ON AGENDA IS, UH, COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CEASING THE COUNTRY, MAYBE CLEAR ON THAT. BUT I'VE HAD TWO HOMICIDES. JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. OK, JUST YESTERDAY. OK SO AND NOT JUST YESTERDAY, EVEN BEFORE THEN. AND NOT ONE PERSON. HAS CAME IN HERE AND HELD UP A SIGN. THAT SAYS CEASE FAR FOR LOUISVILLE. AND OVER 30,000
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CONSTITUENTS PUT US IN THE SEAT. TO REPRESENT THEM. SO MY CONSTITUENTS THEY WON'T CEASE IN LOUISVILLE FIRST. THEY COULD. HOWEVER, YOU WANNA TAKE IT BUT EE EITHER WAY. EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T CARE. AIN'T NOBODY SITTING IN THIS ROOM, LIVING MY DISTRICT OR FACED ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY IN MY DISTRICT FACED. AND I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MA'AM. NO ONE HAS SECONDED IT YET. I THINK MARYLAND IS SAYING MARILYN IS SAYING SOMETHING. DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? NO. ONE SECOND, IT SO THE MOTION THERE CHAIRWOMAN. I'M IN THE QUEUE. ARE YOU AT THE BOTTOM OF THE QUEUE? SEVERAL, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE AHEAD OF YOU. UH, I'M LOOKING AT MY TUBE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE GOOD. AM I RIGHT? UH YES, YES, CHAIRWOMAN. YOU SAID I WAS AFTER. UM COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. THANK YOU.OK, THANK YOU. I, UM I. I THANK YOU. I FEEL THE TENSION EVEN HERE IN NEW YORK AS I'M HERE FOR WORK. I ALSO JUST DID A PRESS STATEMENT, AND, UH, INTERVIEW WITH A NEWS PERSON ABOUT THE MURDER THAT HAPPENED IN MY DISTRICT, UM, AT A LIQUOR STORE YESTERDAY. I, UM ALL DEATH IS BAD. AND TO ME IF YOU'RE ANTI VIOLENT, YOU'RE YOU'RE AGAINST VIOLENCE OF ALL KINDS. I DON'T KNOW. KNOW IF I NEED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M COSPONSORING THIS OR NOT, BUT I'M SOMEBODY WHO ALSO SURVIVED TWO GUN VIOLENCE INCIDENTS AND SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED ACTIVELY IN THE COMMUNITY , NOT JUST WITH THOUGHTS, PRAYERS AND PRESS CONFERENCES BUT HAS WORKED AGAINST BALANCE IN IN THE COMMUNITY IN LOUISVILLE, UM FOR YEARS, STOPPING PEOPLE FROM COMMITTING VIOLENCE. THE ISSUE FOR ME, AND I REALLY RESPECT THE COMMITTEE HERE. I'M NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE AS A COUNCILWOMAN ON THE NEWEST COUNCIL PERSON, BUT I'M ATTENDING BECAUSE AS A COSPONSOR , I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO EXPLAIN SOME OF OUR REASONING BECAUSE THE FORCES HAVE MOUNTED AGAINST US. I NEED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN IN GOOD FAITH IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF LOUISVILLE WITH A RABBI WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. FROM DIFFERENT AREAS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. THERE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE YOU SEE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING THERE. BUT THERE'S BEEN SUPPORT. I GO TO FRANKFURT. I GO ALL OVER THE STATE AND PEOPLE. JEWISH PEOPLE ARE COMING UP TO ME AND SAYING THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. AND THE RIGHT THING IS NOT ALWAYS EASY FOR PEOPLE, BUT I ALWAYS SIDE ON THE PEOPLE I SIDE WITH THE OVERWHELMING GREATER GOOD AND THIS LEGISLATION, ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S MEANINGLESS, IT MEANS SOMETHING TO A GREAT DEAL OF OUR PALESTINIAN COMMUNITY, OUR BLACK BROWN AND IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY AND SO MANY PEOPLE. I STOOD OUT THERE WITH THE UKRAINIANS. I WAS THERE. I WAS THERE, AND I SUPPORTED THAT. AND I WAS PROUD OF THE METRO COUNCIL FOR PASSING THAT LEGISLATION UNANIMOUSLY. I WAS VERY PROUD AND I WILL RESPECT AND HONOR ANY LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BEFORE ME. THAT IS MY DUTY AND MY DUTY OF SERVICE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF LEGISLATION. WHETHER I AGREE WITH IT OR NOT. I HAVE TO SUPPORT IT. I'VE ALSO BEEN THAT PERSON THAT'S BEEN IN THE AUDIENCE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I DIDN'T JUST SHOW UP. BUT FOR ALSO OVER 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN CONNECTED TO THIS PALESTINIAN ISSUE WHEN PALESTINIAN YOUTH HAVE COME HERE THROUGH MANY MEANS TO DO PERFORMANCES TO TALK. ABOUT HOW THEY'RE WAKING UP TO BOMBS AND VIOLENCE. I'VE BEEN THERE, SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I'M JUST HOPPING ON OR SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT PRESS TIME. I WANT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THIS CEASEFIRE RESOLUTION AND THAT WE MYSELF AND COUNCILWOMAN, I MEAN, COUNCILMAN AUTHOR HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS AS ACCEPTABLE AS POSSIBLE. SOMEBODY EVEN SAID, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE BOILERPLATE. HERE'S THE THING. THIS MEANS SOMETHING TO PEOPLE
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IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS. THIS MEANS SOMETHING TO JEWISH PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SHARED BY MY COLLEAGUES EARLIER. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND WHO WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE THERE AND COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AND I WOULD GLADLY SIGN OR COSPONSOR ANY LOUISVILLE CEASEFIRE LEGISLATION. THE PROBLEM IS THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE NOT DONE GUN VIOLENCE WORK. RIGHT IT'S THE REALITY. BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR NOW MEANS THAT BOTH AND CAN BE TRUE. WE CAN BE AGAINST WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR STREETS. WE GIVE SUPPORT A CEASE FIRE THAT BRINGS THAT BRINGS PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING AND FEELS LIKE THEIR LEADERSHIP IS LISTENING TO THEM. WE CAN DO BOTH. WE CAN CHEW BUBBA GUM AND WALK. THESE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID. WE MUST HAVE A WORLD PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS OUR WORLD.AND IF YOU'VE TRAVELED OUT OF THE CITY IF YOU TRAVELED OUT OF THE STATE, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS WORLD. WATCH OUR COUNTRY. THEY WATCH OUR LAWS. THEY LISTEN TO OUR LEGISLATION AND OVER 70 CITIES HAVE SIMILAR LEGISLATION. THIS IS NOT JUST SOMETHING WE'RE DOING TO ADD TO OUR RESUME. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU HOLDING SIGNS. I WAS THOSE PEOPLE. THEY THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU. UH, YOU, AUTHOR THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN P ARGENTI. WE SHOULD VOTE ON THIS TODAY AND NOT MUTE THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T AGREE WITH ANYTHING ELSE, HE SAID. WAR AND ANTHONY, I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS WAR HAS NO WINNERS. I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE AND THE TIME THAT YOU PUT IN, BUT THERE ARE STILL CONFEDERATE FLAGS FLYING ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
PEOPLE ARE STILL QUASI ENSLAVED IN PRISONS AND RACISM IS STILL STRONG, SO WAR DID NOT SOLVE THE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. IF YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT. COUNCILMAN. I WANNA MAKE SURE HE HEARS THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. IF YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO CONDEMN HAMAS, PLEASE OFFER IT. THEN WE'LL HAVE TO OFFER AMENDMENTS TO CONDEMN THE NPA. IF YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO CONDEMN WHAT YOU CALL THE INVASION OF ISRAEL WELL , THEN WE'LL HAVE TO INTRODUCE AMENDMENTS TO CONDEMN THE LEGAL SETTLEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE REMAINING PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES. AND WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE ON LOCAL VIOLENCE. THAT'S WHY WE PASS LAWS TO ADDRESS ROOT CAUSES OF IT. LIKE POVERTY, WE COULD GET MORE FUNDING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT IT'S HARD TO DO THAT WHEN THEY'RE SENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVERSEAS TO CAUSE VIOLENCE. AND AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM MY FELLOW COSPONSOR ANYBODY ON THIS METRO COUNCIL INTRODUCES A RESOLUTION FOR A CEASEFIRE IN LOUISVILLE. I'LL VOTE FOR IT. BUT NONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS ASKED ME TO INTRODUCE THAT THE GRAVITY OF VIOLENCE OVERSEAS IS HARD TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND GRASP. BUT LET ME TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU. 30,000 PEOPLE OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST FEW MONTHS HAVE BEEN KILLED. THAT WOULD BE LIKE A BOMB DROPPING ON THE KFCY CENTER AT A SOLD OUT CONCERT, KILLING EVERYONE IN THE ARENA AS WELL AS ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN AND ARE VISITING DOWNTOWN AND HALF OF THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD. HELL THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN ENTIRE COUNCIL DISTRICT. BEING COMPLETELY WIPED OUT. WE HAVE NOT. AND I PRAY WE WILL NEVER EVER EXPERIENCE THAT LEVEL OF VIOLENCE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR RESOLUTION IS BEING SENT TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO INTERVENE. AND ADDRESS ISSUES BETWEEN OTHER GOVERNMENTS. I WOULD VOTE FOR A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION IN LOUISVILLE. BUT IF THE PEOPLE IN LOUISVILLE WHO KILL OTHER PEOPLE CARED ABOUT OUR LEGISLATION, THEY WOULD PROBABLY CARE ABOUT THE LAWS THAT SAY MURDERING PEOPLE IS ILLEGAL. BUT OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE AREN'T LISTENING TO THAT. THE CITIES WHO HAVE BEEN PASSING THESE HAVE BEEN MAKING AN IMPACT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN CHANGING HIS POSITION AGAIN. WE ARE JOINING OVER 70 OTHER CITIES AND I ASKED MY COLLEAGUES TO APPROACH THIS ISSUE WITH AN OPEN MIND. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. BUT NEXT ON IS COUNSELING. TO GO ON. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM I WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY IS THAT WE'VE GOT A WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY IS THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE GROUP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO BELIEVE A CERTAIN WAY AND WE HAVE A WHOLE GROUP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO BELIEVE ANOTHER WAY AND IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. I MEAN, I'D SAY FROM THE NINTH DISTRICT I'VE GOTTEN WE SOMEWHERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME SAYING VOTE NO. AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME SAYING VOTE YES, IT'S ABOUT 5050. SO THIS IS NOT THIS. IT IS.
LEGISLATIVE AID SAID THAT CAN CAN WE CAN WE ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IS WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM AND I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THE UKRAINE. CEASE FIRE IN 2022. IT WAS BEFORE I GOT HERE. I WILL
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NOT BE DEALING WITH GEOPOLITICAL ISSUES AT COUNCIL. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PROPER FORUM. I WON'T DO IT. I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT FOR UKRAINE. I WON'T DO IT FOR TODAY, AND I WON'T DO IT GOING FORWARD. AS LONG AS I'M ON COUNCIL. I DO NOT THINK IT'S THE PROPER PLACE. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THEIR FEDERAL TO THE US. CONGRESS MEMBERS FROM OUR DISTRICT WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE LEADER. OF COURSE YOU HAVE. BUT WHAT WE DO TODAY WOULD HAVE NO BEARING AT ALL AND I WANT AND I WANT AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT POLITICALLY. I AM MUCH MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH YOU GUYS. THAN I AM OTHERWISE, YOU'RE YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT. IT IS A SHOW AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. AND THE REASON IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY FEELINGS ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. PASSING A RESOLUTION ONLY SERVES TO MAKE PEOPLE CHOOSE SIDES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I. I MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS THIS ISSUE AND MOVE ON. ALL IN FAVOR. NO, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. DID WE GET A SECOND ON THAT? I'LL COME IN HERE. I COULDN'T HEAR IT. NO MA'AM, OK IF THEY WOULD STOP CALLING OUT BEING I CAN BE ABLE TO RUN THE MEETING. BUT IF THEY CONTINUE TO HOLLER OUT, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA ADJOURN. SO PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF WHOEVER IS SPEAKING. SO THAT WE WANT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DEBATE THIS. I. NO WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THERE SO BECAUSE SOME OF YOU HAVE SOME HAVE ONE OPINION. SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ANOTHER OPINION. SO, COUNCILWOMAN, HOWS YOUR NECKS.CAR. YOU SAID MARCUS? NO UH, COUNCILWOMAN HOPKINS NAME WAS EXON IN Q. I GOT A QUESTION. OK? AND THERE'S NO SECOND ON THAT ONE, EITHER. I SECOND I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE ON THE QUEUE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MORE DEBATE. I WAS THINKING. OK SO MY CU IS NO, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL, WINKLER. DID YOU PUT YOURSELF BACK IN THE QUEUE? YES, MA'AM. OK, COUNCILOR YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M SORRY. CAN WE HAVE THE MOTION WITHDRAWN FOR THE CALL TO QUESTION? DO YOU MIND OR OK, IT'S A MOTION. OK, THANK YOU. OH, MY GOD. SO YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, SO I THINK AGAIN. I MEAN, I THINK THIS DEBATE IS PRECISELY WHY WE SHOULD NOT VOTE ON THIS ISSUE, AND I'LL TELL YOU HAVE EVERYBODY CONTEMPLATE WHAT HAPPENS IF THE RESOLUTION FAILS.
WHAT MESSAGE DO WE SEND, THEN? UH I THINK IT IS BAD POLICY AND I KNOW COUNCILOR PIACENTINI SAID . WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT. HIS CONSTITUENTS DESERVE TO KNOW HOW HE FEELS ON THE ISSUE. OK I THINK NATIONALIZING COUNCIL IS BAD POLICY PERIOD. OK WHY SHOULD WE NOT VOTE ON? WHERE DO WE STAND ON? IVF WHERE DO WE STAND ON ABORTION? WHERE DO WE STAND ON GUN CONTROL? WHERE DO WE STAND? STAND ON SCHOOL CHOICE. WHY NOT HAVE COUNCIL VOTE ON EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL ISSUE? UM AND ARTICULATE THOSE POSITIONS? WHY? BECAUSE IT IS TERRIBLE POLICY. IT IS NOT UNDER THE REALM OF COUNSEL TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES. IT IS NOT GOOD POLICY FOR US TO SPEND OUR TIME DEBATING THOSE ISSUES AND DISTRACTING FROM THE WORK THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON AS A CITY AGAIN. IF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ISSUE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND WAYS TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT IN AVENUES THAT ARE GERMANE TO THE ISSUE, BUT COUNSEL AND NATIONALIZING AND INTERNATIONAL IN COUNCIL IS BAD POLICY. AND SHE IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD DO. I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO TABLE IF WE DO NOT TABLE I HAVE ZERO INTENTION OF CALLING THIS ISSUE AT THE FULL COUNCIL. OK IT IS NOT GOOD POLICY FOR US TO VOTE ON. I WILL NOT CALL IT. I WOULD ASK US TO TABLE IT HERE. I'D ASK IT TO END HERE. UM BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK IT SENDS A NUMBER ONE NATIONALIZING COUNCILS BAD POLICY NUMBER TWO PASS OR FAIL, WE WILL DISADVANTAGE SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND WHEN THAT CAN BE AVOIDED, IT SHOULD BE AVOIDED. AND I THINK BOATING THIS UP OR DOWN, WE WILL ALIENATE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. OF OUR CONSTITUENTS FOR NO BENEFIT SO RESPECTFULLY, I WOULD ASK US TO TABLE AGAIN. I CAN'T MAKE THAT MOTION BUT WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR US TO TABLE IT HERE AND BE DONE WITH IT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK
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YOU. BEING ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. I'M IN THE QUEUE. CANCEL IT. ALL OF THEM. I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THE RELEVANCE TO LOUISVILLE. AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC RELEVANCE OF THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE AT LEAST GIVE IT THE POLITICAL AND PROFESSIONAL DIGNITY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE OTHER LEGISLATION. WE SIT IN THIS CHAMBER. AND WE SPEND OUR TIME IN PEOPLE'S TAX DOLLARS, TALKING ABOUT HONORARY STREET SIGNS AND PROCLAMATIONS.WHY CAN WE NOT TALK ABOUT KIDS GETTING BOMBED WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS? ALSO PLEASE, LET'S NOT CONTRADICT OUR POSITIONS BECAUSE ON ONE HAND I KEEP HEARING THIS IS HARMFUL. AND ON THE OTHER HAND, I KEEP HEARING. IT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING IF WE PASSED IT. SO WHICH ONE IS IT? I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT AND REMIND FOLKS THAT WE PASSED A RESOLUTION RELATED TO A FOREIGN CONFLICT IN 2022 UNANIMOUSLY IN THE PRIMARY SPONSOR OF THAT LEGISLATION IS THE SAME PERSON SITTING NEXT TO ME, SAYING WE SHOULDN'T INTERNATIONALIZE METRO COUNCIL SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T WANNA MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT WHEN WE DEALT WITH UKRAINE, WE WERE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE OVERSEAS. WHO LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR ME. BUT YOU GOTTA BEG AND RAISE THE QUESTION. WHY WOULD WE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE? ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT CHOOSE SIDES . IF YOU READ IT, WE WORKED WITH PALESTINIAN AND JEWISH CONSTITUENTS TO WRITE IT. IN FACT, JUST EARLIER BEFORE I CAME INTO THIS COMMITTEE, I GOT A TEXT FROM A RABBI WHO STILL WORKING ON GETTING SUPPORT FROM THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF LOUISVILLE WHO JUST SWITCHED POSITIONS ON SUPPORTING IT YESTERDAY, SO I WANNA BE CLEAR.
THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE DIVISIVE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO MUTE. THE COMMUNITY'S VOICES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY PEOPLE BEING KILLED OVERSEAS WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. THERE'S NO DIVISION COMING FROM US. WE'RE SIMPLY CALLING AND ASKING FOR PEACE. EVERY TIME I TALK TO ONE OF Y'ALL, I SAY PEACE. THAT AIN'T JUST A GREETING. I MEAN THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY PEACE IN LOUISVILLE PEACE OVERSEAS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, WE ARE CONNECTED TO THE REST OF THE WORLD IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY THAT WE SEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CLOTHES ON YOUR BACK WILL PROBABLY MADE BY SOMEONE OVERSEAS. THE COFFEE YOU DRINK THIS MORNING PROBABLY INCLUDED INGREDIENTS THAT WERE MADE BY SOMEONE OVERSEAS. THE MICROPHONE THAT I'M SPEAKING ON WAS PROBABLY MADE OVERSEAS. WE LIVE IN A WORLD HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT KING SAID. SO LET'S NOT ACT LIKE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO FACE. LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY IS ON SOME PLANET ON ITS OWN. WHY ON EARTH WOULD EVERYBODY ELSE? Y'ALL CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I LIVE ON EARTH. I LIVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE. AND I WANT PEACE. IF YOU WANT PEACE VOTE YES. IF YOU DON'T, THEN VOTE HOW YOU VOTE, AND IF YOU THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME, STOP GETTING IN THE QUEUE AND LET'S KEEP IT PUSHING. ARE YOU FINISHED? UH, COUNCILOR YES, MA'AM. OK, THANK YOU, UH, COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY HAWKINS. I GOT A QUESTION AGAIN WITHOUT A QUESTION. YOU HAVE A CALL THE QUESTION AND A SECOND, MA'AM. WE HAVE A CALL QUESTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. UH, AND, YEAH, ANYBODY UP ON THE ON THE FOUR. IT'S JUST DO YOU WANNA DO A ROLL CALL OR YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR A VOICE VOTE. DO A ROLL CALL AND LET ME KNOW. UH WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. PLEASE OPEN UP THE ROOM. OPEN UP THE BOAT. IS FOR CALLING THE QUESTION CORRECT. CORRECT? YES.
UH, SHE SHANKLIN. YEAH. YES. COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS. A COUPLE OF QUESTION. YES, YES, YOU GOT TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER, IS SHE THE SHE WROTE IT. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? PLEASE? CHAIR.
SHANKLIN. YOU HAVE SEVEN YEARS ANONE PRESENT. HAS BEEN CALLED SO IT'S THE JUST AJ. NO, MA'AM, THIS WOULD BE TO, UM, VOTE ON THE ITEM WOULD BE THE NEXT THING. OR UNLESS SOME OTHER MOTION IS MADE. OK, SO WE'RE READY TO VOTE. YEAH. NO OPPOSITION FROM VOTING. LIKE.
WELL, I'M SORRY. I READ THE BOOK. VOTING SO FORTH. ONE SECOND. IT'S NOT OPEN UP.
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COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE ME THE NUMBERS? BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT. SHE IS, MA'AM. OK? CHAIR SHANKLIN. YES. VOTING IS CLOSING. SHE TINNEY. YOU HAVE FOUR? YES. VOTE THREE. NO AND ONE PRESENT. OK? SO IT, UH OH, THIS. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. DID YOU ADJOURN, MA'AM? YES. METRO TV. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. METRO TV. DID YOU HEAR ME?* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.