Feb 20, 2024 Public Works Committee (trimmed)

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METRO TV. COULD YOU PLEASE SWITCH OVER THE LIVE MEETING TO PUBLIC WORKS? WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE FOR PUBLIC WORKS. I AM YOUR CHAIR. COUNCILWOMAN DONNA PURVIS. I'M

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[1. R-014-24     A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACCEPT UP TO $129,671 OF FUNDING FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY’S TRANSPORTATION CABINET TOWARD THE ARNOLDTOWN ROAD RESURFACING PROJECT TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS & ASSETS. Action Required By;  August 2024 Sponsors: Donna L. Purvis (D-5) ]

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL A LITTLE LATER IN MARCH TO GET A FINAL TIMELINE TOGETHER, BUT THE PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? OK THIS RESOLUTION CALLS FOR A BO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AH. ANYONE OPPOSE? THANK YOU.

THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IT SHOULD GO ON OUR CONSENT CALENDAR. NEXT WE HAVE, UM PUBLIC WORKS, MISS JENNIFER CARRON AND MR JEFF BROWN. UM THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US AN UPDATE ON PAVING FROM 2023 TO UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH 2024. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M JEFF BROWN WITH LOUISVILLE, METRO PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSETS.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE. SO WE PREPARE A THREE YEAR PAVING PLAN AND THAT PAVING PLAN RUNS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS JULY 1ST THROUGH JUNE 30TH. OVER THE WINTER MONTHS. WE DON'T DO MUCH PAVING BECAUSE THE TEMPERATURES ARE TOO COOL, SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT GOING ON SINCE NOVEMBER, HOWEVER. IN THAT DOWNTIME. WE'RE ABLE TO DO SOME CONCRETE WORK. GET HANDICAPPED RAMPS READY? DO THE MINOR STUFF THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE BEFORE WE CAN STEP IN AND PAVE THE ROAD. A LOT OF THE WORK WE DO IS IN PREPARATION FOR PAVING. THE ACTUAL PAVING ONLY TAKES A DAY OR TWO. IT'S ALL THAT WORK. WE DO AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUALITY PRODUCT AND WE GET A LOT OF THAT DONE OVER THE WINTER, SO THAT AS SOON AS TEMPERATURES ARE APPROPRIATE IN MARCH, WE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND WE'LL CLOSE OUT THE REST OF THAT PLAN. SO WE DO ANTICIPATE ON FINISHING ALL THE PLANS OR ALL THE ROADS WE IDENTIFIED IN THAT THREE YEAR. FOR THIS

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POTHOLES YOU'VE YOU'VE PATCHED THEM AND PATCHED THEM AND PATCHED THEM, UM, OF THESE STREETS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO SPEND SOME OF THESE DOLLARS ON AND I THINK WE'VE CAUGHT IN MOST OF THE ROADS THAT COULD NOT BE REHABILITATED THAT NEEDED TO BE BUILT. REBUILT FROM THE GROUND UP. I THINK WE'VE CAPTURED ALL THOSE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS NOW. THAT PAVING BUDGET EXPLODED AND LET US CATCH UP ON A LOT OF OLD PROJECTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE DECADES AGO BECAUSE ANNOUNCE A PREVENTION NOW THAT DOLLAR WE CAN PUT INTO A ROW NOW MAY SAVE US $5 DOWN THE ROAD. SO WE GOT DONE WITH THE WORST OF THE WORST. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS THAT. NOT ONLY ARE WE PAVING WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESERVATION, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ROAD WE PAVED 10 YEARS AGO. WE'RE GOING TO DO A TREATMENT NEXT YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AS MUCH LIFE AS WE CAN OUT OF IT BECAUSE A FULL REBUILD IS EXPENSIVE AND NOT SOME AND SOMETHING WE CAN AVOID IF WE STEP IN AT THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THOSE TREATMENTS. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME COLLEAGUES IN THE QUEUE. UM I CAN'T BE GREEDY AND ASKING ALL THE QUESTIONS. SO I HAVE TO SHARE TO YOU. UH THE FIRST PERSON IS COUNCILMAN PIATTI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. YOU KNOW, WE WENT FOR $30 MILLION, BUT YOU HAD A PRESENTATION DURING THE BUDGET CYCLE IT IT PROJECTED OUT FOR THE 25 FISCAL YEAR. I THINK 33 MILLION LIKE IT WAS GOING UP A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN IT WAS GONNA STABILIZE AND THEN COME BACK DOWN. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO COME FOR? ASK OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS TO KEEP UP WITH THIS MAINTENANCE AND TO KEEP UP WITH THIS PACE, UH, THAT WE CAN BE EXPECTING AGAIN GOING INTO MAYBE THIS NEXT CYCLE AND THE CYCLE AFTER THAT. DO YOU HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT? YOU'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR YOU AND YOU WON'T SEE HUGE INCREASES OTHER THAN WHAT ARE THE COST OF LIVING OR JUST THE ROUTINE INFLATION WE MIGHT SEE YEAR OVER YEAR, BUT WHAT I THINK WILL BE LEANING TOWARDS IS A DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE. SO INSTEAD OF JUST MILLING AND PAVING THAT ROAD, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THAT PRESERVE THAT LIFE. WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE FUNDS TO COMMIT TO SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTORS LOCAL THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. SO MOVING FORWARD. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE OUR PA PLAN TRANSITION FROM JUST THESE MILLION PAGES TO CATCH UP TO MORE PRESERVATION TREATMENTS, AND I THINK THE CONDITIONS I WOULD ASK ON METRO COUNCIL IS THAT A PORTION OF THOSE FUNDS ARE DEDICATED TO PRESERVATION SO WE CAN SHOW THE CONTRACTORS THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO. SO STAFF UP GEAR UP, GET YOUR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR

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UH, WITHIN A FEW DOLLARS. HIT YOUR BUDGET. ASK OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IT WENT UP TO 20 MILLION. NOW IT'S UP TO 30 MILLION, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. MY QUESTION ON THE OUT YEARS AND AGAIN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE GET TO BUDGET IS MORE WHAT TO EXPECT. AND I AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THERE ABOUT WE PROBABLY HAVE X AMOUNT OF YEARS. MAYBE IT WAS TWO OR THREE OF ADDITIONAL HIGH LEVELS OF FUNDING, AND THEN IT WILL START TO COME DOWN BECAUSE WE SORT OF TURNED THE CORNER FROM CATCH UP TO MAINTENANCE. RIGHT. SO I THINK WE NEED GET SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THAT FOR SOME LONG TERM PLANNING ALSO UM YOU MENTIONED INFLATION JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK. I MEAN, AGAIN WHEN YOU BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS. THAT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT YOU BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS REFUNDED THE BUDGET. HOW MUCH IS INFLATION MESSING WITH YOU AT THIS POINT OR HAVE THINGS GOTTEN MORE UNDER CONTROL IS? IS THAT GONNA BE AN ISSUE GOING INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET CYCLE? UH I. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN UNFORESEEN ISSUE. I THINK WE CAN PREDICT WHERE THOSE COMMODITIES WILL GO. I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE NOW. YEAH I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THAT WOULD SURPRISE US NEXT YEAR. THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION. ABOUT AND WE ALSO STARTED. UM I WOULD ARGUE PROPERLY FUNDING SIDEWALK REPAIRS, SO THAT SO ON TOP OF THE EXTRA MONEY FOR THAT WE DID THE, UM UH, WE DID THE SIDEWALK MONEY. SO NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF WORK ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, LABOR, UH, RELATED TO KEEPING UP WITH YOU KNOW THIS EXTRA MONEY THAT WE'VE PUT IN THE BUDGET? ARE WE OR DO WE HAVE THE PEOPLE OR DO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTORS TO KEEP UP WITH THIS VOLUME? AND MAYBE FOR THE RECORD? I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER ASKED FOR 30 MILLION. I THINK METRO COUNCIL WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH IT. BUT WE REALLY ARE AT A CAPACITY NOT ONLY ON METRO STAFF BUT ON THE CONTRACTOR SIDE. SO EVEN IF MORE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD FIND ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND DO THAT WORK. GOT YOU OK? GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILMAN'S KRAMER AND ECKERSON. AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER YOU SAID THAT YOU I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK. THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CONTRACTORS FOR PAVING. PAVING COMPANIES DO SPEED HUMPS.

YES, MA'AM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR FOR THAT. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE CONTRACTOR CONTRACTOR. NOW WE HAVE UNIT PRICES FROM OTHER CONTRACTORS. BUT THOSE CONTRACTORS PRIMARILY FOCUS ON PAVING OR SIDEWALK REPAIR, SO TO TAKE THEM OFF OF A PAVING OR SIDEWALK REPAIR PROJECT AND PUT THEM ON SPEED HUMPS MEANS SOMETHING HAS TO SLIP. WE CAN'T DELIVER EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE, GIVEN THIS MUCH FUNDING. SO THOSE ARE THE TRADE OFFS AND WE TRY TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE SPEED HUMPS BECAUSE WE KNOW A LOT OF THE TIME RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR THAT, SO WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE MOST COMPETITIVE WAYS OR COMPETITIVE WAY RATE FOR THOSE SPEEDS. WHERE THE PRICE IS INCREASED. WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHT WORK WITH PROCUREMENT TO GET SOME MORE CONTRACTORS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE HAVE THIS ONE CONTRACTOR AND THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH NAME THEIR REPRISE. SO I MEAN TO MAKE THE DOLLAR SPREAD FARTHER, UM CAN WE, UH, WORK ON GETTING AN ADDITIONAL CONTRACTOR, BUT AND THEN WE GET INTO THE METRO PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE OF UNDERSTAFFING. WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY ENGINEERS THAT CAN MANAGE THESE CONTRACTORS JUST BECAUSE WE SEND IT OFF TO A CONTRACTOR WE STILL HAVE TO INSPECT. WE HAVE TO REVIEW INVOICES, REVIEW THEIR SCOPE OF WORK, REVIEW PLANS AND MAKE SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING MEETS ALL OF OUR SPECIFICATIONS. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CONTRACTING OUT THE WORK, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF LEG WORK THAT PUBLIC WORKS. EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PUT IN TO MANAGE THAT.

NO Y'ALL GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING BECAUSE THIS THE INCREASE IN THE COST OF SPEED HUMPS IS JUST BECOMING ALMOST UNBEARABLE. SOUND. PUT IT BACK ON YOU. I'M GONNA LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPPEL. HELLO HELLO, MR BROWN. UM I THINK JUST ONE HOPEFULLY, SIMPLE QUESTION. UM WHERE CAN WE FIND INFORMATION ON WHAT STREETS HAVE BEEN PAVED SO FAR THIS FISCAL YEAR, SO JULY THROUGH NOVEMBER AND THE PAVING SEASON WHAT'S PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR? SO MARCH THROUGH JUNE, AND THEN WHAT IS PLANNED FOR JULY THROUGH NOVEMBER. 2024 ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL START WITH THAT. SO FOR FY 25 THAT JULY THROUGH NOVEMBER THAT PLANS NOT FORMALIZED YET, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT TO YOU SOON AND THEN WE'LL GIVE EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH US ONE ON ONE TO GO OVER WHAT ROADS ARE BEING PROPOSED, AND TO HEAR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK ON THAT. SO THAT IS COMING AND WE'LL DEFINITELY

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GETTING REPAVED ANYTIME SOON. IS THERE SOME METHOD TO USE THAT WOULD GIVE A SMOOTHER DRIVING SURFACE. IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S LIKE POT POT. YEAH, IT'S A BIG MESS WHEN I NOTICED THAT, AND I THINK THE FIRST THING WE WERE GONNA JUMP INTO IS SEAL UP SOME OF THOSE CRACKS BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE THAT LONGITUDINAL JOINT THAT RUNS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THE TWO PAVERS MEET. IT NEEDS WORK. UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE STILL BOUND BY WEATHER. SO THAT 4050 DEGREES WE'RE LOOKING FOR WE HAVE HAD IT YET. BUT YES, MA'AM. THAT IS ON THE LIST. I I'VE DRIVEN IT. I'M NOT. SO WHAT DO YOU DO TO SMOOTH IT OUT? DO YOU TAKE OUT THE PATCHES AND JUST PUT IN ONE LARGE PATCH? HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YEAH AND THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ONE. THE SIMPLEST IS REPEAT IT. WE CAN HEAT IT IN PLACE AT A LITTLE FRESH ASPHALT WITH THE OILS AND BASICALLY ROLL IT BACK OUT, SO IT'S JUST REWORKING. WHAT'S THERE? THE OTHER IS WHERE WE DO THAT SMALL SCALE. SMALL SCALE MILL IN OVERLAY. SO WE FIND A LANE A COUPLE OF LANES AND THEN OUR BOUNDARIES A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT IS SMALLER, BUT IT'S THE SAME AS THE PING PROJECT. SO WE JUST GO IN AND REDO THAT SURFACE LAYER OF ASPHALT. OK THANK YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW ONCE IF WITH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT SEAMS IN THEIR WATER IS GONNA GET BACK IN AND BREAK IT BACK UP AGAIN, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING CONTINUOUS AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PRESERVATION. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON OUR PRESERVATION LIST. WE WOULD HAVE HAD A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE BECAUSE WE KNEW AT THAT POINT IN THE LIFESPAN OF THAT ROAD. IT NEEDED SOME TREATMENT. AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T DO THAT TREATMENT. OK, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ACKERSON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR FIRST AND FOREMOST TO MY COLLEAGUES. I WOULD SAY THIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PAVING SIDEWALKS ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT BEAST. THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON SIDEWALKS. OUT OF THIS WORLD. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THERE WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT THE MOMENT. BUT JEFF, I'M GONNA GET TO YOU NOW. I THINK OVER THE LAST. 5 TO 7 YEARS. THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR HOW IMPORTANT PAVING IS. IN FACT, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE WE INCREASED YOUR PAVING BUDGET. IN THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. INITIALLY NUMBERS THAT WERE PITCHED. OK? THAT BEING SAID I WOULD EXPECT PUBLIC WORKS. TO COME FORWARD WITH A BUDGET AT 100% CAPACITY, WHAT THEY CAN DO.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY HAS REPEATEDLY YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, SAID WE'VE GOT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN AND STAY ON TOP OF THIS BEFORE WE HIT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE LIKE WE HAVE WITH THE SIDEWALKS. THAT BEING SAID. IF YOU IN PUBLIC WORKS COME HERE. AND ARE SHORT OF ASKING.

FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU CAN SPEND. I'M SAYING. AS YOU SAID, IF WE GIVE YOU MORE THAN WHAT YOU CAN SPEND, IT'S NOT GONNA GET SPENT. BUT IF YOU GUYS COME HERE SHORT OF 100% OF WHAT YOU CAN DO. IT SHOULD BE HELD TO PAY. WE'RE GONNA START CALLING PEOPLE NAMES AND START CALLING PEOPLE OUT. RULE SHAMAN. THIS BODY HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT'S A PRIORITY FOR US. AND SO WE EXPECT THAT A GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS DO. BRING ME A BUDGET WITH 100% CAPACITY. EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN SPEND WILL GET YOU THE MONEY. THANK YOU AND I. I THINK WE'RE THERE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IN 2014, I DIDN'T THINK WE'D EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THE OFFICE. BUT THE BUDGET HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS AND IT'S REALLY DONE A LOT AND IDENTIFIED HOW MUCH WE DO IN A SINGLE FISCAL YEAR. GOT YOU. WE LOVE YOU. BUT DON'T COME TO US AT 80% BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA ATTACK ON THE OTHER 20 SHAME YOU THE PROCESS, SO EITHER WAY, WE'RE AT THE SAME END GAME, OK? WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COUNCILMAN KRAMER. THANK YOU, JEFF. THANKS FOR BEING HERE, UM, ON ECHO COUNCILOR NICKERSON'S GRATITUDE FOR ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH

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WE DIDN'T KEEP UP WITH A LOT OF THINGS. UM, AS WELL AS WE SHOULD. WE DID MAKE AN EFFORT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. UM WHEN YOU GUYS AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ASKING IT FOR TODAY, NECESSARILY, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A HEADS UP. THIS WAS COMING. BUT WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK AT BUDGET TIME IF YOU COULD GIVE US A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS LIKE ARE WE ANYWHERE NEAR THE FEDERAL STANDARDS? FOR OUR OUR MARKINGS AND IF WE'RE NOT NEAR THE FEDERAL STANDARDS YET WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS? UM I KNOW WE TOOK A STEP THIS YEAR AND I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT? AND AGAIN NOT KUDOS TO YOU GUYS. II. I HOPE NOTHING. SOUNDS LIKE I'M UPSET EVERY TIME WE'VE ASKED YOU GUYS TO DO SOMETHING YOU'VE TOLD US WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO. WE'VE GIVEN YOU WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.

AND YOU'VE DONE IT, RIGHT? UM SIGNS AND MARKINGS IS A BIGGER ISSUE THAN A LOT OF US REALIZED, UM I WILL SHARE WITH YOU JUST REAL QUICK ANECDOTE. HOW DOES STUDENTS TAUGHT ME? YEAR AND A HALF AGO. UH, ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT TRUE. SHE TAUGHT ME THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.

AND SHE SAID, UM, MR KRAMER, I NOTICE IT WHEN I'M DRIVING IN FAGIN BUSH LANE IN THE MORNING, AND IT'S DARK AND IT'S BEEN RAINING. I CAN'T SEE THE ROAD AND IT BENDS A COUPLE PLACE, NOT NOT HARD TURNS. IT'S JUST KIND OF MOVES OVER LIKE 3 FT. WELL THAT'S REALLY HARD IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE ROAD, AND SHE SAID, I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THOSE THOSE STRIPPER, SHE SAID. YOU KNOW, I WAS WONDERING WHO I WOULD NEED TO TALK TO. I SAID, WELL, IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO TALK TO A COUNCIL PERSON. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO BE TALKING TO ONE AND SO, I. I CAME TO FIND OUT THAT I AND I DRIVE THAT SAME ROAD TOO RIGHT AND LEAVE IT TO A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL TO POINT OUT TO ME SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE SEEN BECAUSE I DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY. I KNOW FAGIN. BUSH IS NOT THE ONLY ROAD IN LOUISVILLE. THAT HAS THAT AS A REALITY. AND SO MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK AT BUDGET, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY THESE ARE THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE CAUSING US THE MOST CONCERN. HERE'S HOW FAR AWAY WE ARE FROM WHAT THE FEDERAL STANDARDS ARE. THIS IS HOW WE MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THAT MAKES SENSE IT IT DOES. AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE IN OUR ALL THE VISIONS. YOUR ANALYSIS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE HIGH INJURY NETWORKS AND ROAD DEPARTURES IS A BIG ONE. WE LOOK FOR THERE ARE ADVANCEMENTS IN THE MATERIAL THAT THEY USE FOR PAVEMENT MARKING ON THREE M IS ONE OF OUR BIG PROVIDERS. THEY MAKE A SPECIAL WET WEATHER RETRO REFLECTIVE PAINT THAT WE CAN USE . NOW IT'S CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPENSIVE. SO WE WERE CAUGHT IN THAT POSITION. WHERE DO WE PUT ALL OF THAT FUNDS IN A IN IMPROVEMENT ON A SINGLE ROAD THAT MAYBE IS EXPERIENCING MORE CRASHES? OR DO WE GO OUT AND REFRESH A OF MARKINGS OVERALL, IT'S NOT THE BEST OF THE BEST, BUT MAYBE IT'S BETTER. IT CERTAINLY HITS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, WHEREAS THAT LASER FOCUSED HIGH DOLLAR IMPROVEMENT IS GREAT FOR THAT ONE AREA, BUT THEN IT KIND OF NEGLECTS EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT BALANCE. GOOD. AND WHEN YOU COME AND TALK TO US IN THE SUMMER ABOUT WHAT THAT BUDGET NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE YOU'LL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THAT REGARD? YES BECAUSE WE'RE TRADING OFF. WE'RE ALWAYS TRADING OFF ONE BAD FOR ANOTHER. HOPEFULLY WE MAKE THE

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WE CAME TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT DAM WERE TO FAIL, IT WOULD CREATE HUGE PROBLEMS FOR US IN IN TRANSPORTATION. THERE WAS CONVERSATION AT THAT POINT ABOUT . PUBLIC WORKS DOING CREATING A PROCESS BY WHICH WE WOULD GO OUT AND EXAMINE ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND THEN COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT SAYS NOT NECESSARILY THIS. HOW WE'LL STOP THE DAM FROM BECAUSE NOT OUR DAM, RIGHT? BUT SHOULD IT FAIL? THIS IS WHAT PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS TO DO. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, IN THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING THAT? POLICY BECAUSE WE DON'T PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T MAINTAIN ANY DATA. EXACTLY THAT'S PREP. I TRIED TO PREFACE IT THAT WAY. RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE HIGH HAZARD DS ARE ARE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE STATE. THERE ARE GUIDELINES THERE. IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION. I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. ALSO I KNOW THAT MS D HAS SOME, UM THEY HAVE MAPS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF DMS BREAK FOR CERTAIN DAMS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY INFORMATION THEY MIGHT MAY ALREADY HAVE. OK, WELL, WE WILL DOUBLE BACK, UM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS WORK BEING DONE WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS TO SAY SHOULD THIS DAM FAIL OR THAT DAM FAIL? THIS IS WHAT PUBLIC COURTS WILL NEED TO DO AS A RESPONSE.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THESE DAMS WHERE IT WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR US AND SIMPLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD. AND I KNOW THE ONE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IS ON SOUTH PARK ROAD OR JUST OFF THE SOUTH PARK ROAD, AND WE DID THE ONE THAT RAISED THE MOST ATTENTION. IF THAT WERE TO BREACH WHAT WHERE WOULD IT GO? WE ALL WE DID WAS MAKE SURE THAT THE OUTLETS WERE ALL CLEAR, SO THERE WAS NO DEBRIS, OBSTRUCTING PIPES OR ANY OF THE CHANNEL WAYS. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF IT FAILED. IT'S NOT GONNA GET CAUGHT SOMEWHERE ELSE DOWN THE LINE AND THAT IT CAN FREELY FLOW. IT'S LOWEST POINT WITHOUT OBSTRUCTION. OK AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ALSO WORK BEING DONE. THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION.

THERE'S ALSO WORK BEING DONE TO LOOK AT BRIDGES AND, UM, POSSIBLE ROAD SURFACES THAT MAY WASH OUT. HOW ARE WE DOING THERE? Y. YES SO IS THAT IS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH FLOODPLAIN OR MS C NOW, THESE ARE OUR ROADS . THIS WAS A QUESTION OF WE ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE ROADS THAT ON THE SIDES OF HILLS ARE AT RISK OF SLIDES. UM AND THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO TRY AND SURE THOSE UP FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT. UM AND THEN WE ALSO ARE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL BRIDGES THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, THAT ARE THAT ARE WHILE THEY ARE CURRENTLY STRUCTURALLY SOUND. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO. A RE THERE. AND WE ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS AS AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, SO ULTIMATELY LONG TERM OR HOPEFULLY, SHORT TERM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, PULL UP ALL THE BRIDGES. WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT'S NEXT TO A STEEP SLOPE? ET CETERA IN A FLOODPLAIN? WHAT HAVE YOU AND WOULD THAT HELP YOU IDENTIFY? POTENTIAL FUTURE PROBLEMS. WELL I MEAN, IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP US IDENTIFY WHAT THE MAINTENANCE AND THE REINSPECTION SCHEDULE SHOULD BE AND HELP US STICK TO THAT. AND HOW SOON DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THAT? OR ARE YOU HOPING TO HAVE THAT? THEY'RE STILL YES, WE PLACE AN RFP THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BIDS NOW. OK, SO THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO BID OUT IN A OK, GREAT. THANK YOU. KILLS THANK YOU, MADAM. CHAIR A QUICK QUICK FOLLOW UP. UH, DO WE BENCHMARK OR OTHERWISE, UH, BOTH ON COST BUT ALSO CONDITION AND EVALUATION WITH AT LEAST OUR OTHER LARGER SUBURBAN CITIES LIKE AJ TOWN OR A SHIVELY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO WE DON'T. WE BID ANNUAL CONTRACTS WITH UNIT PRICES FOR ALL OF THE WORK.

WE DO, WE DON'T WE PARTNER WITH SOME OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES. BUT I DON'T THINK WE COMPARE WHAT WE PAY FOR WHAT WE GET. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THAT'S PART OF IT. AND I GUESS WHY NOT LIKE WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST RATE OR YOU KNOW, ENSURE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST DEAL COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES, AND I THINK WE ARE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS COMPETITIVE. WE GET A LOT OF BIDS, AND THEN WE CAN COMPARE THAT AGAINST THE STATE AVERAGE BID PRICES IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE USE BECAUSE THOSE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE CONSIDERABLY SMALLER, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET A TRUE APP. THE APPLES COMPARISON. IT'S USUALLY THE STATE CONTRACT PRICES. WE COMPARED TO HOW HOW DO WE DO COMPARED TO THE STATE? YEAH WE'RE SPOT ON. OK, OK, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE AN. COMMENT QUESTION. I AM CONCERNED WITH

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