Aug 29, 2023 Planning and Zoning Committee

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YEAH I KNOW IT. YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR ME? YEAH.

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AND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL IS NOT HERE YET. COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN, UH, HAWKINS IS HERE. AND WE HAVE ONLINE PRESIDENT MARCUS WINKLER. SURE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE DISCLAIMER? THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD FOR SHORT CARE AREA 61.826 AND COUNCIL READING FOR THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ITEM NUMBER TWO UNTIL AT LEAST TWO O'CLOCK FOR, COUNCILMAN. UM. ANYWAY, SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD HOLD THE HOLD NUMBER TWO. AH SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS 0.196 DASH, 23 AND ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES LOCATED IT FOR 111 AND 4113 FERN VALLEY ROAD CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 4.97 ACRES AND BEING IN LOUISVILLE METRO CASE NUMBER 23 ZONE 0053 TO HAVE A MOTION MOTION MOTION.

COUNCILMAN BAKER COUNTS SECOND COUNCILMAN RE AND THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION. AND I BELIEVE THAT TRAVIS, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM. SO I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK TO AN ISLAND FOR COUNCILWOMAN SHANKLIN. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE FAKING BUSH ROAD CLOSURE. YES, SIR. UM SORRY. DID WE CALL ADAM ONE? YES OKAY, SO I THINK MAYBE JUST GO THROUGH THE REGULAR STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS. OH I'M SORRY. QUITE ALRIGHT. UH SHE DID TELL HER OFFICE THAT SHE DID NOT

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THIS ONE'S LOOKING FROM FERN VALLEY INTO THE SITE. THIS IS ONE OF THE STUBS THAT HAS COME FROM WHERE DELLA FAILLE STUBS INTO THE PROPERTY. HERE'S THE OTHER ONE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE ADJACENT SITES, SO THERE ARE SOME EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SURROUNDING THE SITE ON ALL SIDES. THIS IS ONE OF THE PHOTOS HERE'S SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES THAT BUT THE SITE. AND THEN SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ABOUT THE SITE. THIS IS JUST A LOOK LOOKING DOWN DELLA FAILLE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IS LIKE IN THAT AREA. THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON MARCH 23RD 2023 ATLANTA VALERIE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON JUNE 22ND 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 3RD 2023. THEIR MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR AND R FIVE TO R. FIVE. A THAT PASSED BY VOTE OF 5 TO 1. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE IN THIS EVERY QUESTIONS FOR ME. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN YOUR COUNCIL WINDOW, RUDY. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, NOT SEEING ANY ON YOUR COUNCILWOMAN SHANKLIN. UH, SHE DOESN'T. OH, OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER. THANK YOU. CHERRY QUESTION. I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OF THE TESTIMONY. UM HAD CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MSD EXPLAIN TO TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA? UM YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING BEHIND THE OLD WASTEWATER, ARROGANT. SO IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO THAT, SURE, NO, SO THEY ARE DOING SOME LIKE DETENTION AREA NEAR THE EXISTING STREAM. AND SO THERE WILL BE SOME OF THEIR NOW TOWARDS THE BACK. AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PICTURE HERE. YEAH THERE IS AN OLD MSD STATION LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT ISN'T A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT THERE ARE THE PARLIAMENT THEY ARE DEVELOPING. HOWEVER YOU KNOW, IT IS PART OF THE OF THE SITE THAT THE OWNER OWNS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID RECEIVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT WAS JUST AT THE FACILITY MAY NOT BE BEING KEPT IN THE BEST CONDITION THAT YOU KNOW. THERE WERE COMPLAINTS ABOUT MOSQUITOES AND WATER. SIT BACK THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO MSD DID AGREE TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO TRY AND REMEDY. SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS ON THAT. THAT OLD FACILITY BACK THANK YOU. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION, UH, THE OTHER OPPOSITION TALKED ABOUT THE PRESERVATION AREA. JUST BEING THINNED OUT. HAS THE DEVELOPER HAVE ANY PLANS ABOUT CREATING A BUFFER THAT BETWEEN THE ADJOINING PROPERTY? OR NOT HARD, THE TREE SCAPES AND WE WEREN'T SURE. YES SO ONE OF THE BINDING ELEMENTS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE APPROVAL WAS THAT, UH, IN ANY AREAS WHERE THEY WEREN'T PRESERVING TREES, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD AGREE TO, UH, PUT UP A 6 FT BOTTLE FENCE TO WRITE SOME BUFFERING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT THAT JOIN THEM. THANK YOU. UH, READ. THIS IS BARBARA FRANKLIN. CAN I SPEAK? YES, MA'AM DOCTOR, DOCTOR SHANKLIN. THANK YOU. I DID CALL ILLEGAL MESSAGE AT JOE OFFICE

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SORRY COUNCILMAN SHANKLIN. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT TRAVIS FEASTER HERE, SO JUST TO CLARIFY THERE'S A REZONING IN YOUR DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DISCUSSING. WE'LL GET TO FAGAN BUSH LATER ON THE AGENDA. BUT THIS IS NOT THE SAME ONE. NO, MA'AM. OKAY ALL RIGHT.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WITH JUST THIS ONE. HERE IS THE ONE. I'M A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. I'LL WAIT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE OF THIS REQUIRES A LOCAL VOTE, MADAM CLERK. ALWAYS OPEN. COUNCILMAN SHANKLIN, YOU YOU DO HAVE A VOTE AS WELL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER ARENA, WEBER. WE HAVE SIX YEARS VOTES, INCLUDING SEVEN YES, VOTES, INCLUDING DR SHANKLIN IN THIS PASSES, AND WE'LL GO TO OLD BUSINESS OF THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. YEAH AND ITEM NUMBER TWO. AS WE SAID, IS BEING HELD AT THE REQUEST OF A COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AND ITEM NUMBERS, NOT HELL THAT'S GOING TO BE MOVED UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK. UM NEXT EPISODE NUMBER 30-170 DASH 23 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 150. 0.110 OF THE LABEL, JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING THE WRECKING OR DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES. THE WRECKING ORDINANCE HAVE EMOTION. MOTION COUNCILOR BAKER'S SECOND COUNCILWOMAN, RUI THIS IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, AND COUNCILMAN WINKLER. I BELIEVE PRESIDENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS. IS HE HERE? IS HE UP THERE? SO. HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS.

SHOULD WE JUST GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND WAIT FOR IT TO COME BACK? UH HUH. COUNCILMAN BAKER WITH MOTIONS TO WITHDRAW HIS MOTION WITH COUNCILWOMAN UH RUDY LIKE TO WITHDRAW HER, OKAY? GOT IT, OKAY. I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER. SO WE'LL GO TO WE'LL GO TO IRELAND NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS 0-171 DASH, 23 AND ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 32-250 TO 2 32-263 THE LANDMARKS ORDINANCE OF THE LEGAL SORRY, MR CHAIR THAT'S COUNCILMAN PREGNANT UNTIL PRESIDENT WINKLER'S ITEM AS WELL. UM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO TO FIVE. 0-172 DASH, 23 AND ORDINANCE SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO DEVELOPMENT CODE LDC IN SECTION 115 OF THE WEIBO JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES. LMC OH, RELATING TO SHORT TERM RENTALS. CASE NUMBER 23 DASH L D. C DASH, 001 IS AMENDED TO HAVE EMOTION. MOTION COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL WHO HAS JOINED US TO HAVE A SECOND SECOND COUNCILMAN BAKER AND THIS IS OPEN TO DISCUSSION. UM WHO WOULD SPEAK TO THIS? COUNCIL COUNCILMAN ARENA. WEBER UH SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I JUST WANT TO GIVE ANOTHER SHOUT OUT TO OUR FABULOUS PLANNING AND ZONING TEAM WHO REALLY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS AND ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE CONTINUED TO HELP REFINE BASED ON A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT. INPUT FOR BUSINESS OWNERS, AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY GETTING TO A GOOD PLACE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TRAVIS CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, OR WE'VE GOT SOME SPINE FOLKS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING. I THINK THE BASIC PREMISE HERE IS THAT ON THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU OWN AND LIVE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT OF FREEDOM. OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE YOU LIVE THERE AND WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN PLACES WHERE YOU CANNOT OPERATE A COMMERCIAL HOTEL. WE ALSO BASICALLY WANT TO SAY YOU CANNOT OPERATE A COMMERCIAL HOTEL MASQUERADING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND SO WE PUT IN PLACE SOME PRETTY THOUGHTFUL

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AND SO I THINK THE PLANNING ZONING TEAM HAS BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL AROUND INCREASING THE REGISTRATION COSTS AND TO ENABLE THEM TO FULLY STAFF THE POSITION THAT THEY NEED THAT WILL BE FULL TERM DEDICATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS, AS WELL AS PURCHASED THE TECHNOLOGY PLATFORMS. THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THE VIOLATORS WHO ADVERTISE THAT THEY ARE VIOLATING OUR LAWS. SO I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD SPOT WITH THIS. I THINK THIS ORDINANCE WILL HELP US DO SEVERAL THINGS. FIRST OFF, IT WILL HELP US TO REGULATE THE BAD ACTORS THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND IN THE SYSTEM. SECOND IT WILL PROTECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH I KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE CARE A LOT ABOUT BY PREVENTING COMMERCIAL UH, DEVELOPERS FROM PURCHASING PROPERTIES THAT THEY ONLY USED DURING EVENTS DRIVING UP THE COST OF HOUSING WILL NOT HAVE PEOPLE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS COMPETING AGAINST CORPORATE INTERESTS TO BUY HOUSES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I'M GENERALLY REALLY IN FAVOR OF ALL OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE HERE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ONGOING REFINEMENTS THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. SO IF WE WANT TO INVITE TRAVIS TO SPEAK TO WHAT THOSE WILL LOOK LIKE WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF US MOVING THIS QUICKLY OUT OF COMMITTEE AFTER WE HAVE ADDRESSED PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS. THANK YOU. BUT TRAVIS VADER'S IT'S THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WILL BRIEFLY SPEAK TO SORT OF THE REQUESTS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PREPARED JUST YET. UM SO THERE ARE TWO MATTERS. THE FIRST IS DEALING WITH SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A LONG TERM TENANT. WE RECEIVED A REQUEST TO ALLOW THOSE FOLKS. TO RECEIVE REGISTRATIONS AS THOUGH IT WASN'T ON OUR OCCUPIED UNIT WHEN YOU PLAY AROUND WITH HOW WE DEFINE LONG TERM TENANT HOW THAT IS. TRACEABLE OR IDENTIFIABLE. UM AND WHAT RAMIFICATIONS LIKE WHERE THAT BELONGS. IF IT'S IN THE DEFINITION SECTION, IF IT'S A WHOLE NEW SUB SUB CATEGORY, SO WE NEED TO PLAY AROUND WITH THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN SORT OF A SINGLE LINE CHANGE SO WORKING ON THAT, AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH L AND B. UH WE GOT INTO A COMFORTABLE POSITION ON THE SORT OF FEE ASSIGNMENTS GOING TO AND BEING ASSIGNED TO PLANNING AND DESIGN, SO WE GOT SOME LANGUAGE ON THAT AS WELL. THAT'S READY, BUT RATHER THAN A MINUTE MULTIPLE TIMES AND ADD SOME WEIRD RED LINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE. UM SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN OUTSTANDING ITEMS. THERE MAY BE ONE THAT I'M FORGETTING THERE'S A LITTLE BIT AROUND GUIDANCE FOR BOZA AROUND WHERE WE ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE SORT OF CP EXCEPTION THAT WE ARE EXPECTING. AND THEN ALSO BY WE ARE NOT EXPECTING SORT OF WHOLESALE SEE UPS TO BE GRANTED BECAUSE THESE ARE THE SORT OF VERY SPECIFIC THINGS WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE MIGHT BE REGULAR. AH USAGES THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THE ONES THAT HAVE COME IMMEDIATELY TO MIND ARE UH, IF YOU ARE A PROPERTY THAT IS SUFFICIENTLY SEPARATED FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT SOMEONE HAVING A LARGE GROUP THERE WOULD NOT DISTURB THOSE NEIGHBORS. THAT'S LIKE AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD SEE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO. WE WOULD WE WOULD EXPECT THE STATE TO APPROVE AN EXCEPTION TO THE CAP.

THE NUMBER OF RENTERS SIMILARLY IF YOU ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WHERE, ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD BE CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL OPERATION. THAT WOULD BE AN AREA ALSO. AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS ORDINANCE TIGHT ENOUGH THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A LOT OF C UPS. UM DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE IN THE QUEUE. UH, IT'S NOT COMING UP. COUNCILOR WITH CHAPEL SURE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS, ESPECIALLY COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER FOR REALLY HELPING US ORGANIZE ON THE SIDE. UM I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT ARE THE BENCHMARKS THAT WE CAN EXPECT OR MEASURE? UM TO SHOW THAT THIS NEW SYSTEM IS WORKING AND THEN WHO'S GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR CHECKING IN WITH THAT? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN AIRBNB UPDATE AND SAY, SIX MONTHS TO SEE YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT I THINK THAT THESE ARE LIVING AND BREATHING KIND OF REGULATIONS. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING. UM SO HOW WE HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO BE CHECKING THAT NODDING IN THE AUDIENCE, AND SO I THINK THAT CAN WE SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE SIX MONTHS AFTER PASSAGE, AND ABOUT WHAT THE EVENTS I THINK THERE'S SOME KEY METRICS IN TERMS OF REGISTRATIONS. THERE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE AND THEN UPDATE IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW WHAT UH, YOU KNOW, AND WHATEVER OTHER METRICS I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD. WE COULD PUT THAT TOGETHER AND ASK FOR A REPORTED SIX MONTHS. DID YOU

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THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. REFEREE NO, WEBER AND THANK YOU, JOE. OBVIOUSLY, FOR ALL OF THE EXTENSIVE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS, UM SO I'VE MENTIONED A FEW SOLUTIONS. I THINK THAT COULD WORK. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU IF THAT'S OKAY ON WHETHER THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN CAP THE AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS PER YEAR. COMMISSION DISTRICT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE OR LOOK INTO THAT WAY? WE'RE NOT WE, YOU KNOW , BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT SINCE 2017, WE'VE AVERAGED 157. SHORT TERM REYNOLDS PER YEAR. UM YES. GRANTED, THERE'S SOME HIGHER THAN OTHERS IN CERTAIN YEARS, AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN THAT HAVE AN INFLUX OF THESE. SHORT TERM REYNOLDS IN THEIR THEIR COMMUNITIES, BUT I THINK BY SPREADING IT OUT WITH A CAP OVER THE THREE COMMISSION DISTRICTS THAT 75 PER DISTRICT THAT WOULD SPREAD IT OUT THROUGH OUR COMMUNITIES A LITTLE EVENLY, UM, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER TOURISM AND STUFF IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR COMMUNITIES.

HABERMAN PLANNING AND DESIGN SERVICES. UM SO WE EXPLORED THE IDEA OF A CAP AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER DOING, BUT THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED IN SOME OTHER PRESENTATIONS WAS, IT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT TO THE 600 FT SEPARATION REQUIREMENT, AND WE HAD CONCERNS WITH THAT, BECAUSE ON A BLOCK BY BLOCK LEVEL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE THE SAME PROTECTIONS. IT'S MORE SPREAD OUT OVER A LARGER AREA, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO , BUT I PROVIDED SOME NUMBERS AND I HAVE THEM. UM IF WE NEED THEM TO DISCUSS TODAY, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROPORTIONAL OVER EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT EITHER. SO IF WE TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE CAP FOR EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT. I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND. THERE ARE MUCH MORE AND SAY, DISTRICT FOUR THAN THERE ARE IN MANY OTHER DISTRICTS BECAUSE THERE'S JUST MORE DWELLINGS AND MORE. OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RENTALS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL DISTRICT. I'M TALKING ABOUT COMMISSION DISTRICT. WE HAVE THREE COMMISSION DISTRICT.

THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT INSTEAD OF COUNCIL DISTRICT SPECIFIC BECAUSE COMMISSIONERS DISTRICTS CAN CROSS ACROSS THE ENTIRE THING, AND I THINK IF YOU ALLOCATE, LET'S SAY 1 60 PER YEAR, THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS OR CURRENT SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE ACTIVE ARE UNDER RENEWAL PROCESS. EVERY YEAR LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, AND IF YOU WANT TO APPLY FOR A NEW SHORT TERM RENTAL AS AN OWNER OF A PROPERTY. YOU CAN ONLY ALLOW 1 60 PER YEAR, BUT 75 PER COMMISSION DISTRICT UM, AND THAT SPREADS IT OUT, BUT ALSO KEEP THE 600 FT RULE AS WELL IN PLACE. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND IT WILL WILL DO SOME DATA ON THE COMMISSION DISTRICT AND SEE HOW MANY ARE IN EACH AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE COMMITTEE. IN RELATION TO THAT. THANK YOU AND AGAIN. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT. AND I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN RINA WEBER. I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE IS YOU KNOW AROUND REALLY BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHERE THIS IS THE NUMERICAL PIECES UNITED DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ARE LESS IMPORTANT TO ME THAN WHERE THEY ARE. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE AS MANY AS WANT TO EXIST ALONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS OR AND, FRANKLY TO DO SEE UPS IN PLACES WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS. AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT DOING THAT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO DRIVE UP HOUSING PRICES EVEN FARTHER, NO MATTER WHERE THAT IS. SO, HOWEVER, WE WANT TO GET AT THE RIGHT NUMBERS FOR THAT. I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. UM THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COSMO. I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION IF WE DID GO FOR WHAT COUNCILMAN BATCH ANSWER THAT IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE 600 FT ROLL. JOE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO KEEP THE 600 FT RULE. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PROVIDE PROTECTION ON A BLOCK BY BLOCK LEVEL RATHER THAN A YOU KNOW, A CAP ACROSS THE LARGER GEOGRAPHY. BUT WELL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAP THE NUMBER UH, YOU KNOW, RENTALS AND EACH OF THOSE COMMISSION AREAS AND AS WELL AS WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE WITH CAP PERCENTAGES BECAUSE IT DOES VARY FROM CITY TO CITY BASED ON WHO'S DONE IT. THANK YOU. AH NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I THINK I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN, UH, PRESIDENT WINKLER. THANK YOU. JOE THANKS FOR BEING HERE. UM CAN YOU AND I APOLOGIZE THAT HAVE NOT FELT THIS IS CLOSE IN THE LAST COUPLE

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I DON'T EVEN AROUND SPEAKERS. MORE QUESTIONS. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION JUST FOR BOTH MY AND STAFFS? UM PERSPECTIVE ON THE ON THE CAP QUESTION. ARE YOU LOOKING TO CAP? REGISTRATIONS OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. AND ARE YOU TALKING ANNUAL APPLICANTS OR TOTAL NUMBERS? NEEDS COMMISSION ALL OPTIONS. THEY'RE JUST A BUNCH OF POSSIBILITIES. DEFINITELY DOWN TO ENTERTAIN THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M YOU KNOW, MY IMMEDIATE INSTINCT SAYS WE COPY APPLICATIONS ISSUED TO 1 60. I MEAN, IF THERE'S 320 ISSUES OR APPLICATIONS FILED 1 60 GHETTO, AND IT'S THE 1ST 16 YEAR, THE 1ST 1 60 OR APPROVED UNDER THE STIPULATIONS THAT JOE'S MAYBE PUT TOGETHER IN THIS PROPOSAL, UM WHETHER THAT'S IN THE SEA UPS OR ANYTHING NEW PER YEAR AT 1 60 , THEN THE RENEWAL'S WOULD STAY RENEWING AS LONG AS THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES. AND IF YOU MISSED THE RENEWAL SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK, YOU MOVED BACK INTO THE QUEUE FOR THE NEW APPLICATIONS OF THE 1 60 11 ALLOCATED AND I WOULD SUGGEST SAFE FROM MY INTEREST IN THIS, AND I THINK SOME OF THE IT WOULD BE AROUND THE CPS. I THINK WHAT? WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STOP PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT BY RIGHT I THINK IT IS BY YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. MAXIMUM FREEDOM. CONSISTENT WITH THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. UH BUT THIS EXCEPTIONS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS IN PLACES THAT ARE NOT YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. THAT'S WHERE I'D BE INTERESTED IN. WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

COUNCILMAN CHAPEL. THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT YOU ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING WELL THAT ALLOW US TO KEEP TRACK OF. CITATIONS OR OFFENSES AT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY. AS WELL AS THE. OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY SAY THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO HAD MULTIPLE AIRBNB S. WILL WE BE ABLE TO LOOK THEM UP BY THAT OWNER NAME OR LLC TO SEE IF THEY'RE A VIOLATOR BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE ONE PROPERTY THAT THERE IS DOING WELL, BUT THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE NUISANCES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE THE COMPLAINT SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF A COMPLAINT.

RIGHT SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO DIFFERENT VENDORS PROVIDE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, DIFFERENT BELLS AND WHISTLES, DEPENDING ON ON WHAT THEY PROVIDE, UM AND WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. SO A LOT OF THEM DO YOU OFFER? HOTLINE OR SOME KIND OF NEW WAY TO FILE A COMPLAINT DIRECTLY WITH THEM. AND IF THEY IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, AND WE GET A VENDOR THAT PROVIDES THAT SERVICE. NOW ALL OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPLAINTS ARE GOING THROUGH ONE SINGLE SOURCE, AND WE'D BE ABLE TO BETTER TRACK THOSE SO THAT IS AN OPTION THAT SOME OF THEM NOT ALL OF THEM OFFER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO, BUT WHAT THEY LARGELY PROVIDE IS THEY HAVE WAYS TO KIND OF SCOUR ALL THE DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. AIRBNB IS JUST ONE OF DOZENS OF PLATFORMS. IT'S THE BIGGEST, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY AND THEY HAVE WAYS TO KIND OF GO OVER THOSE AND LINK POTENTIALLY UNLAWFUL LISTINGS TO ADDRESSES, WHICH THEY THEN PROVIDE US AND WE'RE ABLE TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE IN THE FIELD AND VERIFY, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TWO SERVICES THEY TEND TO PROVIDE. BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT INDIVIDUAL VENDORS PROVIDE. IN ADDITION TO THOSE SERVICES BUT IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT COMPLAINT DATABASE WILL BE A PART OF THIS. SOFTWARE PACKAGE. NOT ALL THE VENDORS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO OFFER THAT SO IT WOULD

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AMONG US AT COUNCIL IS THAT WE HAVE GIVE OR TAKE 1500 SHORT TERM, WROTE REYNOLDS AND METRO LOUISVILLE RIGHT NOW. AND UM, PROBABLY, I THINK 400 OF THOSE ARE CLOSE TO 400 OF THOSE ARE IN THE BUTCHER TOWN IN PHOENIX HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND SO THE PEOPLE IN BUTCHER TONIC BEING STILL WHICH IS NOT IN DISTRICT NINE. BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOOD TO BE FIVE THAT THEY'RE LOSING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHAT IS BECOMING A TRANSACTIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TALK ABOUT A MORATORIUM. FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. THEN YOU TAKE BETWEEN FOUR DISTRICT FOUR DISTRICT SIX. DISTRICT, 89, 10 AND 15. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER YOU COULD HELP ME BUT BETWEEN THOSE COUNCIL DISTRICTS

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EVERYBODY AGAIN. A LOT OF THESE ARE SORT OF TECHNICAL CLEANUPS FROM STATS PERSPECTIVE. BUT I'M HAPPY TO TRY AND PAUSE AFTER EACH SUBSTANTIVE ONE TO LET YOU ALL SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM SO, STARTING WITH SECTION 1 50.1 10, THE DEFINITIONS UNDER SUBSECTION ONE STRIKE LOCAL HISTORIC AND INSERT AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK. THAT'S JUST THE TERMINOLOGY WE USE NOW.

MOVING ON TO 1 50 SUB 10 SUBSECTION B. UM. AFTER THE PHRASE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES WITHIN 14 DAYS, THERE'S NEW LANGUAGE OF RECEIVING A COMPLETE APPLICATION AS SET FORTH BELOW AND SUBSECTION SEE AND THEN A NEW SENSE. AT THE END OF THAT SUB PARAGRAPH 30 DAY HOLD SHALL BE NOTIFIED VIA THE SPECIFIC COUNCIL DISTRICTS, HISTORIC STRUCTURE, DEMOLITION NOTIFICATION AND DELIVERY. THAT'S JUST STAFF CLARIFYING THAT THEY ARE SENDING OUT NOTIFICATIONS FOR THESE THINGS. THAT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS THOSE EMAILS ARE CONCERNED. UM THE CURRENT SUBSECTION C WOULD BE STRUCK ITS ENTIRETY. THIS IS THE MOST SORT OF SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE ALL READ THIS OUT. AND THEN SORT OF BRIEFLY. EXPLAIN IT, UM, NEW SUBSECTION C NOTICE SOMEONE FORM OF NOTICE THE APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNER, CHARLESTON NOTICE OF INTENDED TO DEMOLISH TO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH TOUCHED THE PARTS OF CONTAINING THE HISTORIC BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AT A POINT OR ALONG THE BORDER OR SEPARATED FROM DOING SO BY STREET OR ALLEY, PLAYING DESIGN SERVICES AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHOSE DISTRICT CONTAINS THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION SITE ON THE FORM PROVIDED BY THE DEPARTMENT, THE APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNER SHALL CAUSE A SIGN IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARDS ESTABLISHED BY THE DEPARTMENT TO BE POSTED ON THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION SITE. OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AND LOCATION VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE SCIENCE OUR MAN IN A HISTORIC BUILDING OR STRUCTURE FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS. THE RECORD PERMIT APPLICATIONS INCLUDE PHOTOGRAPHS OF EVERY BUILDING ELEVATION, INCLUDING A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FORMATION SIGN THAT IS LANGUAGE THAT MOSTLY PRE EXISTED EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ADDITION OF THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS DID NOT OCCUR AS WELL AS THE PHOTOGRAPH. STAFF WANTS TO MAKE SURE THESE BUILDINGS ARE DOCUMENTED, EVEN IF THEY WERE ULTIMATELY APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION. UM SUBSTITUTE TIMING OF THE NOTICE. NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY SUBSECTION C ONE ABOVE SHALL BE ACCOMPLISHED MEANING ISSUED AND THE 38 PERIOD HAS PASSED, ACCORDING TO THE FOLLOWING OKAY IF THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED IN CONDUCTION WITH THE DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING THAN NOTICE SHALL BE ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT SPOKE TO. SO THIS GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER BOZA NOT ONLY TO OCCUR BEFORE THE HEARING, THERE SHALL BE A JOINT NOTICE ADVERTISING BOTH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROACH DEMOLITION, IN ADDITION TO NOTICE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS BEING ACT UPON AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE JOINT NOTICE SHALL BE SENT BY EMAIL TO ALL SUBSCRIBERS TO RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION SO WE'RE HEAVILY NOTICING THESE AND DOING IT IN CONJUNCTION RATHER THAN HAVING TWO SEPARATE MAILERS. UM ON THE OTHER HAND THE SUB B AT THE SITE OF OPPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEMOLITION, BUT SUCH REDEVELOPMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING OR IF THE SITE IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED, THEN NOTICE SHALL BE ACCOMPLISHED. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE WRECKING PERMIT . SO THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT DON'T REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING OR THEY JUST WANT TO REDUCE IT TO AN OPEN FIELD. THIS IS SORT OF THE FALLBACK PROVISION TO ENSURE NOTICES STILL SENT IN A TIME FOR PETITION IS ALLOWED. UM SUBSECTION THREE. CERTIFICATION TO THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO NOTICE HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL CERTIFY. TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CODES AND REGULATIONS THAT IT HAS BEEN SO ACCOMPLISHED. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE JUST CLARIFY THAT HAPPENS SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN ISSUE THE PERMIT IF IT'S APPROPRIATE SUB FOUR TIME FRAME FRAME LANDMARKS PETITION A PETITION REQUESTING DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS STRUCTURES AS LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS UNDER L M. C O SUBSECTION 32 TO 60 MUST BE RECEIVED A, UH BY THE DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED OR B BEFORE THE ISSUANCE OF DIRECTING PERMIT IF THE SITE IS SUPPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED, BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PLAN, SO THAT DISTINCTION OCCURS THROUGHOUT THE SORT OF YOUR REDEVELOPED AND YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OR YOUR REDEVELOPING YOU DON'T OR YOU'RE REDUCED TO REBEL. UM. SUB FIVE EXPIRATION OF NOTICE AND CERTIFICATION. IF MORE THAN FIVE YEARS PASSED AFTER THE DATE NOTICE WAS SENT OR CERTIFIED WITHOUT THE BUILDING BEING DEMOLISHED, THEN THE NOTICES CERTIFICATION PROCESS WILL NEED TO BE REPEATED. SO IT IS THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE SOMEONE WOULD GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS, GET THEIR DEMO PERMIT, AND THEN JUST LET IT SIT THERE, AND NOW WE'RE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THEN YOU GO THROUGH IT AGAIN, THIS BUILDING MINDED TO BE REEVALUATED. UM FIVE YEARS IS A PRETTY GENEROUS TIMEFRAME. I THINK. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME RESTART BECAUSE OTHERWISE SOMEONE COULD THE DAY THEY BUILD A BUILDING FILED FOR, I RECKON, PERMIT AND SIT ON IT FOR 100 YEARS AND THEN TEAR IT DOWN AND SAY WE ALREADY HAVE MY PERMIT. UM MOVING ON TO SUB D, UM THERE'S A POINT THAT SPEAKS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN CERTAIN IN PARENTHESES IT REQUIRED AGAIN.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE NOT REQUIRED. WE'RE TRYING TO

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YES. MOTION. MOTION COUNCILMAN BAKER HAVE A SECOND SECOND COUNCIL, WOMEN IN THE ROOM AND NOW OVER TO COUNCILMAN ARENA. WEBER. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN ENCAPSULATE ALL THE PIECES HERE . THE INTENT HERE IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT SORT OF ONGOING WEAPONIZATION OF THE LANDMARK PROCESS AFTER THERE HAS BEEN AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS STARTED, AND THEN REALLY AS AN EXTENSION OF A PROTEST AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE MERITS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. MARKETS. YOU'VE GOT A FINGER UP. YEAH I SAID NOT STARTED RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEFORE US IS CHANGING. RIGHT STARTED WOULD BE WHEN I FILED THE PLAN. THIS IS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET TO THE HEARING. SO LIKE ONCE I'M LOCKED IN, AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT'S BEING HEARD. THAT'S WHEN THE LINE LIKE IF YOU HAVEN'T FOLLOWED BY THEN IT'S TOO LATE. BUT BUT NOTICE WILL BE HAVING GIVEN NOTICE WILL HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY OF AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS IS WHERE THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY IN THIS WAY. AT THAT POINT, THEY CAN STILL GO TO THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION AND SAY, HEY, ACTUALLY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING. IT'S NOT THAT THAT WE HAVE TO IN ADVANCE OF ANY PLAN LANDMARK. ANYTHING RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT. THERE IS STILL THAT MOMENT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO FILE SOMETHING. WHAT IS IT THAT AGAIN, NEWBIE. SORRY WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO FILE WHAT POTENTIAL? SO THE FILE A PETITION FOR DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OR DEMOLITION? AND AT THAT POINT. NO MY APOLOGIES. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE WHAT WERE THE COMMUNITY DO? UM SO DEVELOP PROFILE AT A PLAN PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY WILL SEND OUT THIS JOINT NOTICE. UH THAT WOULD BOTH INCLUDE. YOU KNOW INFORMATION REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEING HEARD AS WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS PERMIT AS THE CASE MAY BE AS WELL AS NOTICE OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. GOT TO THAT POINT. THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO SAY.

OKAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY A HISTORIC BUILDING. OKAY CORRECT AND 30 DAY WINDOW, BUT WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE TIGHTENING IS OKAY AFTER WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THEN WE DECIDE THAT THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE BODIES, GAS STATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND WE LAND MARKET, BUT IT HAS BEEN APPROVED ALREADY . OKAY? GOT IT. THANK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CLARIFICATION.

AND JUST, UH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING WHEN I CAME ONTO COUNCIL MANY YEARS AGO. I HAD ONE OF THESE LANDMARK CASE IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I HAD, AND IT'S TOO. COUNCILMAN WINKLER'S POINT. UH THE LANDMARK PETITION WAS FILED AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAD BEEN APPROVED AND IT GOT REALLY UGLY AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE REALLY WANTS TO AVOID. AND THEN KIND OF CLARIFY AGAIN. HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS THE LANDMARKING PROCESS TAKES? OR DOES THAT LANDMARKING? I MEAN, ARE WE WITHIN THE 30 DAY WINDOW? THEN WE'D SAY OKAY, ACTUALLY, THIS IS WHISKEY ROW. YOU JUST HAVE TO INITIATE IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO INITIATE, OKAY? AND THE INITIATE. WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR INITIATION? IS THERE LIKE A FOR THEIR FINANCIAL COMPONENT TO THAT OR WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO AND WE'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WHEN WE GET TO THE LANDMARKS ORDINANCE ITSELF, BUT YOU NEED I THINK IT'S A 300 SIGNATURES. YOU NEED A NUMBER OF SIGNATURES FROM THE 200 SIGNATURES, BUT A CERTAIN NUMBER HAS TO BE FROM THE COUNCIL DISTRICT OR WITHIN PROXIMITY TO DECIDE WHICH IS 100. SO IT ENDS UP BEING MORE THAN 200. BUT IF YOU GET IT JUST PERFECT. THERE'LL BE 200. UM. AND IT INCLUDES A DESCRIPTION OF

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THANK YOU. THIS IS GETTING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR THAN MUD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH THE EXPLANATIONS. SO UM, STILL TRYING TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS HERE. SO A DEVELOPER SAYS I WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY. AT WHICH POINT IS THAT WHEN THE 30 DAY CLOCK STARTS TICKING IS THAT WHAT? I'M UNDERSTANDING? NO SO THE 30 DAYS WON'T START RUNNING UNTIL NOTICE IS SENT. UM. OKAY SO IF RUMORS STARTS GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HEY, SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP IT. YOU CAN. YOU CAN START THE PROCESS OF THE LANDMARK AT THAT POINT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'VE ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY FILED ANYTHING CORRECT, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CASES OF REZONING. I MEAN, THERE WILL BE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WELL BEFORE THAT NOTICE EVER GETS SENT OUT. SO IN SOME CASES THERE WILL BE A GREAT DEAL , MAYBE EVEN A YEAR OR MORE OF NOTICE. PRIOR TO THAT. 30 DAY WINDOW ACTUALLY SORT OF OPENING. BUT THEY CAN FILE AT ANY TIME PRIOR. IT'S JUST ONCE THE YOU KNOW, SORT OF OFFICIAL NOTICE OF THE DEMOLITION, THEN THERE SHOULD BE ROUGHLY 30 DAYS UNTIL THE HEARING. OKAY. THANK PRESIDENT WINKLER. YOU CAN FIND THE LANDMARKING ORDINANCE LANDMARK. IT REQUESTS TODAY, RIGHT? NOBODY NEEDS TO HAVE A PLAN. AND THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST TO WRITE IT LIKE NO ONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE STRUCTURE TO REQUEST THE LANDMARKING REQUEST. I MEAN, I IT'S JUST OFTEN IT'S THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE. SO TO THE POINT TRAVIS JUST MADE IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, I COULD FILE A LANDMARKING REQUEST FOR IT TOMORROW. IF I CAN GET 200 PEOPLE DESIGN NUMBER TWO AS THE DEVELOPER STARTS TO SHOP THEIR PLANS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS MY PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. THEY WON'T BE REQUIRED TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DEMO SOMETHING, BUT IF THEY ARE FAIRLY LOCKING ON THEIR PLAN, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPPORTUNITY WHERE IT BECOMES EVIDENT. AS THEY FILE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN. BARRING THAT I FILED ONE THING, AND THEN BY THE TIME I GET TO MY HEARING, IT IS 180 DEGREES DIFFERENT. THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THERE. IT'S ONLY SORT OF IF I HID EVERYTHING UP UNTIL THE POINT OF I'M GETTING READY FOR MY HEARING. THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE THE 30 DAYS . THAT'S SORT OF THAT SCENARIO WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME YOU HAVE NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS. RIGHT IS I'VE HIDDEN MY INTENTIONS TO DEMOLISH THIS STRUCTURE ALL THE WAY UNTIL I FOUND MY ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ASSUMING I DON'T DO THAT, YOU WOULD SEE IT WAY AND EVEN FURTHER IN ADVANCE OF THE 30 DAYS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. TRAVIS ZERO. SO WHAT ? WHAT PRESIDENT WINKLER JUST SAID THERE. IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO ADD INTO THIS OR PUT LANGUAGE AROUND. IT LETS PRESUME WE'VE GOT ILL INTENT AND A BAD ACTOR WHO'S TRYING TO HIDE THIS INTO THE LAST POSSIBLE SECOND AND THEN FLIP OVER THE CARDS AND SAY, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO CODIFY THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE AN EXTENDED RUNWAY AT THAT POINT? ENTREPRENEUR DEFENSE. SO IN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS, IF YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S 30 DAYS FROM THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT. BAD ACTOR CONCERNED. THERE PROBABLY IS, UH, LET ME THINK THAT THAT WOULD GO ALONG. IF THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, MAYBE CAN COME BACK TO ME WHILE I THANK YOU FOR THAT. HAVE A NICE SEEING YOU. UH, COUNCILMAN CHAPEL. MY FRIEND. THANK YOU.

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SOEAVE A MOTION TO TABLE FROM COUNCILMA NICCHAP, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER OPSE T EE AAPER SAY H GET WITH THAT, UH, CAN I MAY I JUST ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION FROM MY PRESENT WIKLER. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

WHAT HAPPENS? WE HAD THE MOTION MADE AMENDMENTS IN A SECOND, BUT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY. YES, MR. UM INTRODUCED NEXT TIME, MR PRESIDENT, THIS IS SONIA, HARVARD, THE CLERK AND YES, IT WILL HAVE TO BE REINTRODUCED AND I'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET TRAVIS FEASTER TO GIVE IT TO US SO THAT WE CAN GET IT ON THE SYSTEM SO PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AS WELL AS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AGAIN. SO THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER. PRESIDENT WIKLER THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER FOUR. YOU STILL WISHING TO HEAR THIS? OKAY? NUMBER FOUR FOR THAT ONE, TOO. YOU KNOW, MAYBE AS TRAVIS TO WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT AND. YEAH. SO NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS 0-171 DASH 23 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 32.250 TO 32.263, THE LANDMARKS ORDINANCE OF THE LOUISVILLE JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION COUNCILMAN CHAPEL SECOND COUNCILMAN BAKER THIS IS. HE HAS TO INITIATE AMENDMENTS.

PRESIDENT PRESIDENT WINKLER THANK. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, AND I'LL HAVE TRAVIS READ THE AMENDMENT. IN A SECOND. I WOULD JUST ASK COLLEAGUES THAT THIS IS BOTH OF THESE ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN IN THIS COMMITTEE FOR FOUR WEEKS. SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS , PLEASE REACH OUT. UM. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE DISCUSSION. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BENEFIT OF TABLING IS. IF YOU HAVEN'T ASKED THE QUESTIONS IN FOUR WEEKS, SO, UM YOU KNOW IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO TABLE IT LIKE IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS. WE WANTED TO DISCUSSION. LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION IF WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT. THEN. HOW LONG DOES IT NEED TO SIT BEFORE WE GET THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION, THANK YOU. AND YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS ORDINANCE. TRAVIS CAN READ IT LOVE FOR US TO VOTE ON IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON IT TRAVIS.

SO THIS AMENDMENT IS MERCIFULLY MUCH SIMPLER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE. THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE AND 32 TO 67 I IT IS, UM. IT'S CURRENTLY THE ONLY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THAT SECTION, AND IT'S NO LONGER REQUIRED BECAUSE OF SOME ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF AMENDMENTS. IT WOULD JUST IT WOULD STRIKE ALL OF THE NEW LANGUAGE AND 1 63 16 PRETTY TO THAT TO 60 SUB I GOOD LORD. UM AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THIS AMENDMENT CONSISTENT. AGAIN IT'S COMPANION LANGUAGE IS NO LONGER IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THE DEMO ORDINANCE, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY ASSUMING THAT AMENDMENT PASSES. OKAY, SO WE'RE READY TO SO DO WE.A SECOND IN MT COUNCILMAN CHAPEL AND NOW THIS GOES TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. YES. YES, BUT ANY MOMENT RECALL VOTE VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. THE EYES, HAVE IT.

SO ARE WE GOING TO? WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS? UH, ANYONE IN THE QUEUES? THAT'S ANYONE THAT YOU SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE MOTION TO TABLE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND HOLES IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. HI OPPOSED NO IT'S TABLED. ALL

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AN ORDINANCE CREATING A NEW CHAPTER OF LOUISVILLE. JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES. L M C O COMMUNITIES DIRECT, INDIRECT AND CULTURAL DISPLACEMENT TO BE KNOWN AS THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT LAW AND AMENDING L. M. C 0 92-15 IS AMENDED TO HAVE EMOTION. MOTION COUNCILMAN BAKER SECOND COUNCILMAN CHAPEL. AND TO YOU, COUNCILMAN ARTHUR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO TODAY, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. LEGISLATION WILL START WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP AND SEE WHAT YOU ALL GOT FOR NOW. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT PROJECTS THAT THIS WOULD HAVE STOPPED. AND I WANT TO REITERATE THIS LEGISLATION IS NOT ABOUT STOPPING PROJECTS. IT'S ABOUT MAKING THEM MORE AFFORDABLE WHEN PEOPLE USE METRO RESOURCES. SO AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 11 SECTION THREE IT READS IF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FAILS THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE INELIGIBLE TO UTILIZE METRO RESOURCES. AS PART OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER MAY REVISE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND SUBMIT A NEW DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT THAT NEW DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT RECEIVES A PASSING SCORE. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BECOME ELIGIBLE TO UTILIZE THE METRO RESOURCES ONCE THE PASSING SCORE IS VERIFIED. AND OUR PRESENTATION WE USE TO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES THAT METRO GOVERNMENT PARTNERED. ON TO DISPLACED PEOPLE SHEPHERD SQUARE IN THE SMOKETOWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEAT YOUR TERRORISTS IN THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS, BUT SOME OF THE LARGER ONES INCLUDE THE DEMOLITION OF CLARKSDALE AND THE PHOENIX HILL NEIGHBORHOOD AND CARTER LAYING HOMES AGAIN. THIS LEGISLATION WOULD HAVE HELPED MAKE THOSE PROJECTS MORE AFFORDABLE AND HELP THE DISPLACED FAMILIES COME BACK IF THEY WANTED TO. THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONFUSION ABOUT DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT VERSUS PROPERTY VALUE ASSESSMENTS. THE LOUISVILLE PROPERTY VALUATION ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATOR ASSESSES VALUE OF PROPERTIES. THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOT REASSESS THOSE VALUES OR CHANGE THOSE VALUES ON PAGE 10. THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT IS EXPLAINED IT REFERENCES THE PROPERTY VALUE ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE THE DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT USES CURRENT VALUE. WHEN TESTING PROJECTS TO SEE IF THEY'LL DISPLACE PEOPLE AGAIN.

THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THOSE VALUES OR REASSESS THOSE VALUES . WE ALSO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. ON HOUSING AND THE IMPACTS ON HOME VALUES. THERE'S A BIG MYTH THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DECREASES PROPERTY VALUES. THIS IS FALSE. I'VE ATTACHED TO STUDY PROVIDED BY LOUISVILLE METRO PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOYAL DOCKET TITLE. ALEXANDRIA AFFORDABLE HOUSING BRIEF THE STUDY SHOWS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS NOT ONLY DO NOT REDUCE PROPERTY VALUES, BUT ALSO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A SMALL, STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN VALUES.

THIS IS ONE OF MANY STUDIES THAT ANYONE IS WELCOME TO LOOK UP TO PROVE THIS. WE ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHO CAN SERVE ON THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT COMMISSION. THAT INFO STARTS ON PAGE 14 AND SECTION THREE TO SERVE, YOU MUST HAVE LIVED IN THE DISPLACEMENT RISK AREAS FOR AT LEAST 10 CONSECUTIVE YEARS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE APPOINTMENT. THE RISK AREAS ARE NOT NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT CLUSTERS OF CENSUS TRACTS CREATED IN THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WE USE THESE LAST YEAR WHEN WE UPDATED THE RENTAL REGISTRY ORDINANCE. PAGE 85 OF THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS ATTACHED TO THE LEGISLATION AS A MAP AND IT SHOWS A MAP OF THOSE DISPLACEMENT RISK AREAS. THEY INCLUDE CENSUS TRACTS FROM CENTRAL BARDSTOWN, CENTRAL PRESTON. DOWNTOWN EAST METRO AIRPORT PARK, JEFFERSON FOREST. MCNEELY LAKE NORTHEAST CORE NORTHWEST CORE RIVER PORTS. SOUTH CENTRAL DIXIE SOUTHEAST CORE SOUTHWEST CORE UNIVERSITY WEST CORE. IF RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING, WE CAN WORK WITH THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION TO CREATE AN INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE YOU CAN ADD YOUR ADDRESS AND SEE IF YOU LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS. BECAUSE I DOUBT MOST OF US KNOW WHAT CENSUS TRACK THAT WE LIVE IN. THE SPECIFIC AREAS ARE NOT LISTED IN THE LEGISLATION BECAUSE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS, SO THAT WOULD MEAN WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION EVERY FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THOSE AREAS MIGHT CHANGE AND THAT IS UNNECESSARY. I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE IN THE QUEUE. HERE WE GO. COUNCILMAN RINA WEBER.

PRESENT, WINKLER. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, CAPTAIN ARTHUR APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS.

AND AS I SAID, WHEN YOU INTRODUCED THEM, AND I DO AGREE WITH THE GENERAL INTENT, RIGHT

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I MEAN, I LIKE I AGREE WITH THE GENERAL INTENT. MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS WORLD STIFLE INVESTMENTS IN AREAS WHERE WE NEED IT. I THINK THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE INVESTMENT IN PLACE WITHOUT INVESTING IN PEOPLE. YOU HAVE GENTRIFICATION IF YOU INVEST IN PEOPLE WITHOUT INVESTING IN PLACE, THOSE PEOPLE MOVED TO ME. THE BETTER SOLUTION IS YOU GOTTA INVEST IN BOTH SIMULTANEOUS ALRIGHT. INVEST IN THE PLACE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO AFFORD TO LIVE THERE AS THE AGGREGATE PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE, AND YOU BUILD WELL.

CHAIRMAN. MAY I? AND THAT'S THE ISSUE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS AND THE LAST COMMITTEE.

I USED BEECHER TERRACE AS AN EXAMPLE. ALL OF THIS INVESTMENT CAME INTO THE RUSSELL NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD LIVED THERE FOR DECADES AND CALLED THAT THEIR HOME THEIR COMMUNITY COULD NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE INVESTMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE DISPLACED. SO WE AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE. INVESTMENTS IN THE PLACE IN THE PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE'RE INVESTING IN THE PLACE AND WE DISCARD THE PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS LEGISLATION ALSO ADD THAT IN CONVERSATION WITH JEFF O'BRIEN AND MARYLAND HARRIS, WE TALKED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A CONCERN AND AGAIN. WE ARE WORKING ON SOME CHANGES TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THE INTENT OF THIS LEGISLATION. IF I COULD JUST REPLY. I SEE IT, SO I THINK WE AGREE PHILOSOPHICALLY. WHAT I DON'T SEE IS HOW THIS ORDINANCE ORDINANCE IMPACT THE INVESTMENT IN PLACE. ALL I SEE IT DOING IS DISINCENTIVIZE IN THE INVESTMENT . I'M SORRY. THE INVESTMENT IN PEOPLE. APOLOGIES RIGHT? I DON'T SEE IT. ADDRESSING THE INVESTMENT IN PEOPLE RATHER, I SEE IT. BASICALLY PENALIZING THE INVESTMENT IN PLACE. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, IT BREAKS DOWN MARKET AREAS. AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHAT AREA NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING VERSUS WHAT DOESN'T NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING THOSE, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF DOZEN OR SO MARKET RATE AREAS. EXCUSE ME. MARKET HOUSING AREAS ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE HOUSING THAT YOU NEED. AND THE HOUSING THAT YOU HAVE, UM AND EXCESS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO BUILD HOUSING IN THOSE AREAS, THEY ARE ADDRESSING A NEED BECAUSE TOO OFTEN WHAT WE'RE PARTNERING ON IS BUILDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE THERE, AND WHEN THOSE PEOPLE COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE RENTS INCREASE IN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE, THEN GET DISPLACED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'RE REALLY SAYING THE SAME THING. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY THERE CAN AFFORD TO STAY THERE. COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE NO LONGER INCLUDED IN THIS LEGISLATION. SO IF YOU WANT TO CLEAN UP THAT, BROWNFIELD IF YOU WANT TO OPEN UP ICE CREAM SHOP LAUNDRY MAT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT. THAT DOES NOT HAVE A COMPONENT OF LIVABLE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN IT. WE CAN STILL MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS. WE ARE SPECIFICALLY MICRO FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE HELP WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD THEM . THERE ARE PLENTY OF EXAMPLES WHERE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD THEM. WE'RE METRO GOVERNMENT WAS A PARTNER. COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER.

I WANNA TO PURSUE, UH, PRESIDENT WINKLER'S SORT OF EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING USE CASE. SO RHODIA BROWNFIELD. THE INTENTION IS TO BUILD BROWNFIELD HOUSING.

PROBABLY THE MOST INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE OF DEEP COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS AROUND WHAT RESIDENTS THERE WANT TO SEE IN THEIR SPACE, SO REALLY GOOD. AH! AND PART OF THAT IS CREATING A WHOLE SET OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OWNERSHIP. OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHATEVER, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND THIS, THEN THAT WHEN THEY WOULD WHEN WE WOULD DO THIS DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT, PRESUMABLY THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD PASS THE ASSESSMENT BECAUSE YES, IT WOULD INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA, BUT IT IS ALSO REALLY FOCUSED ON CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? RIGHT? IF THE RESIDENTS CAN AFFORD IT. WE CAN HELP THEM BUILD THE PROJECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT IS EXACTLY I THINK RODEO IS LIKE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS, LIKE IT IS DESIGNED FROM THE OUTSET FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING INTO THE SPACE, WHETHER IN THEIR CURRENT HOUSING ARRANGEMENTS, WHICH ARE MOSTLY RENTAL, SO THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S SOME WORK THAT, BUT THAT'S WORK THAT'S BEING DONE SO AS LONG AS THE WORK AND INVESTMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE PLAN ARE BEING DONE, THEN THEY WOULD PRESUMABLY PASSED THAT DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT. RIGHT AND JUST TO

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DEFINES DIRECT DISPLACEMENT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO CHANGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN RESIDENTS CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES DUE TO RISING HOUSING COSTS OR FORCED OUT BY LEAST NON RENEWALS, EVICTIONS, IMMINENT DOMAIN OR PHYSICAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE UNDER HOMES UNINHABITABLE AS INVESTORS AWAIT REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. SO ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT WHERE INCENTIVIZING THEM TO COME BACK. YES BECAUSE IF YOU DISPLACE FOLKS, YOU RELOCATE THEM WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE, AND YOU CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO LIVE WHERE YOU USED TO LIVE. YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY ERASED . WE GO BEYOND DISPLACEMENT. WE GOTTA TOTAL ERASURE. WHEN I GOT ON METRO COUNCIL IN 2021, WE HAD TO APPROVE ZONING FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. IN DISTRICT 15 ACTUALLY AND I FOUND OUT THOSE UNITS WERE REPLACEMENT UNITS FOR BEACH OF TERRORIST RESIDENTS. WELL, I WAS TOLD AND MISINFORMED THAT WE ALREADY HAD REPLACEMENT UNITS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS. BUT HERE WE ARE. YEARS AFTER THE DEMOLITION OCCURRED, AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN AFTER THEY WERE RELOCATED OR DISPLACED FROM BEECHER TERRORISTS. SO AGAIN, THE TENT OF THE LEGISLATION IS TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THESE PROJECTS. WE MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND LIVE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION AND JUST WONDERING, DOES THIS FIRE PROJECT FROM EVER GETTING METRO FUNDING OR IS IT ONLY DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OR FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, AND HIS OWNERSHIP CHANGED TRACKED IN THAT? SO IT DOESN'T BAR THEM FROM GETTING ANYTHING AS LONG AS THEY PASS THAT DISPLACEMENT ASSESSMENT, SO IF THEY FAIL IT, THEY COME BACK. AND THEY CAN REDO IT. CHANGE UP THE PROJECT.

MAKE SURE THERE'S AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT AND IT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND GET ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES. AND I'LL JUMP IN THE BACK IN THE CUBE. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AFTER THIS LAST ONE FOR THE BOARD. I DO FEEL LIKE IT IS A LITTLE PROHIBITIVE SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS THAT THE RESIDENT HAS TO HAVE LIVED IN THEIR IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR AT LEAST 10 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S PROHIBITIVE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE YOUNG ADVOCATES FOR THESE AREAS.

I'M OPEN TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING THAT YEAR, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CALLED THAT COMMUNITY HOME HAD ACCESS TO THESE COMMISSIONS. IF YOU JUST MOVED INTO YOU SHELBY PARK AS AN EXAMPLE, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS GENTRIFYING IF YOU JUST MOVED INTO THE SHELBY PARK AND YOU ARE HOME FLIPPER. YOU HAVING ACCESS TO THE COMMISSION, AND YOU JUST LIVE THERE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE COMPARED TO SOMEONE WHO'S CALLED THAT HOME. FOR THE PAST DECADE. PLUS I'M OPEN TO A DIFFERENT NUMBER IF YOU WANT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A NUMBER THAT MAKES SENSE, AND WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY CALLED THAT COMMUNITY HOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN RASHAD. JUST REAL QUICK. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY. THERE ARE MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE OTHER MOVEMENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS. UH SOME PLACES ARE ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE, WHEREAS WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT METRO FUNDS NOT BE USED TO DISPLACE THE CITIZENS WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE

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INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING IS ONE OF THE BEST PROTECTIONS AGAINST DISPLACEMENT. NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THEIR HIGH PERCENTAGE OF INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS, LIKE THE SOUTH END OF ROXBURY, THEREFORE, HAVE LOWER RISK OF THIS PLACEMENT, THEN THEY MIGHT OTHERWISE BE YOU UNDERSTAND. TODAY DAY THEY STARTED DOING THIS WORK BACK IN 2015 15 16, WHERE OBAMA STARTED. REALLY WAS PUSHING THE AFFIRMATIVELY. THE FURTHERING FOR HOUSING AND THEN BELIEVE TRUMP HAS REPEALED IT CLOSER TO 2020. BIDEN'S TRYING TO PUSH IT BACK, TRYING TO PUT IT BACK ON AS A LAST YEAR. UM AND BUT BOSTON DID A REALLY GOOD THING THAT YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH TRUMP HAD REPEALED, UH, THE F A F F H , UH, BOSTON STILL ADOPTED THIS MEASURE. THEY'RE STILL A DOCTOR'S MOON. THIS MEASURE AND STILL THROUGH ALL THAT THEY STILL WERE ABLE TO BUILD OVER 4000 INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS, AND THEY STILL ARE ABLE TO CREATE 10,000 REGULAR UNITS, YOU KNOW, UH, IN NONE OF THAT IS TAKEN AWAY ANYTHING FROM THE CITY. BUT IT JUST SAYS SPECIFICALLY HERE THAT, UH, INSTRUMENT LIKE THIS ORDINANCE LIKE THIS. DOES LOWER DISPLACEMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S NOT A PRICE THAT WE CAN PUT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES WHO PEOPLE ARE KICKING OUT AGAIN. WE'RE PUTTING A POSITION WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING AND PROTECTING THE PEOPLE NOT OFFERING MONEY TO ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GONNA HURT OUR CONSTITUENTS. I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY SIMPLE LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT MY STUDENTS APPEARED TODAY. THEY'RE IN THE BACK WATCHING, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS LIKE THIS CAN GET BORING. I UNDERSTAND. UH BUT THEY'RE NOT WATCHING. AND YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY UNDERSTAND THIS. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. IN ORDER TO HAVE A TRUE DEMOCRACY. IT IS OUR JOB AS AS OUR JOB NOT JUST TO BE HOLDERS OF POWER AND CHOICES. OUR JOB IS TO DEFER THAT POWER TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND GET THE POWER BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE. THESE THESE.

THESE COMMITTEES FORMED OF TWO PEOPLE FROM EACH NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AS MANY YEARS WE END UP DECIDING WHAT HOWEVER MANY YEARS WE END UP DECIDING THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE WE GOT TO GET OUR PEOPLE BACK THEIR POWER TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THEM DIRECTLY. IT'S NOT UPON US TO DO THIS. WE'RE GIVING THE POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHICH SHOULD ALWAYS BE DONE AND. YEAH I'M JUST GOING IN WITH THIS QUOTE THAT THEY SAID UNLESS YOU ARE INTENTIONAL AND YOU'RE PLANNING UNLESS YOU ARE ACTUALLY INTEGRATING CIVIL RIGHTS AND HOW YOU DESIGN A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU ACTUALLY INJURED THE UNDERSERVED. THAT'S THE DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN ZONING AND CIVIL RIGHTS, AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION HERE TODAY. UH BEFORE I GET TO COUNCILMAN OWEN, THERE IS A NIGHT. UM, HERE NUMBER EIGHT THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO GET IN TODAY BEFORE WE ADJOURN AT THREE O'CLOCK, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A HARD STOP. AT 10 UNTIL THREE O'CLOCK COUNCILMAN ON. COUNCILMAN HORN.

YEAH. UM SO. IN ANOTHER LIFETIME . I WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER, AND I ALSO WORKED FOR A, UH, A NONPROFIT GROUP THAT PARTNERED WITH OTHER NONPROFITS TO HELP BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING . SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN IN THIS IN THIS SORT OF THING. I JUST THIS THIS ORDINANCE HAS GOTTEN BETTER. AND I COMMEND COUNCILMAN ARTHUR AND OTHERS. FOR THE WORK THEY PUT INTO IT. BUT I STILL WANT TO JUST CAUTION THAT THIS IS A VERY TRICKY THING TO DO. UM IF. IF

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WHICH IS OKAY. UM BUT I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS. THE ONLY WAY THAT IF YOU GO BACK AT THAT POINT AND SAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS MORE AFFORDABLE? THE WAY YOU MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE IS YOU ADD LAYER AFTER LAYER AFTER LAYER OF ADDITIONAL FINANCING. AND SO THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD THEN GO BACK AND SAY WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THIS MORE AFFORDABLE IS TO SAY, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THAT ADDITIONAL FINANCING? WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE AFFORDABLE HOME? RUN BACK. WE'RE GONNA GO TO CDBG FUNDS. WE'RE GOING TO GO ALL THE PLACES THAT EVERYONE WHO BUILT AFFORDABLE HASN'T GOES BACK TO MY POINT IS ONLY THAT IT BECOMES VERY, VERY TRICKY. TO BOTH SUBSIDIZED OR TRY TO INSTIGATE INVESTED IN INVESTMENT IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO THEN TRIED TO CAP THE MARKET. ONE OF THE WAYS AROUND THAT IS TO SOME CITIES GO IN AND THEY BECOME.

BUILDERS AND OWNERS OF THEIR OWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY NECESSARILY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU TAKE THE TRICKINESS OUT OF TRYING TO BALANCE YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZING HOUSING BY ALL BUT ALSO LETTING THE MARKET AND LETTING PRIVATE DEVELOPERS DO THE WORK. IT'S A VERY TRICKY SITUATION TO BE IN WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT THIS METRO LOUISVILLE NEEDS TO BECOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDER AND OWNER, BUT THEY'VE DONE THAT TO INCREDIBLE SUCCESS IN NORTHERN EUROPE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE MOST, UH SOME OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSES AFFORDABLE CITIES IN ALL OF EUROPE OR IN NORTHERN EUROPE, WHERE YEARS AGO THEY WENT AND BUILT A TON OF PUBLIC HOUSING AND THAT HAS KEPT THEIR HOUSING PRICES IN CHECK WHERE VERY FEW OTHER PLACES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO. SO. SO I AGAIN I AGREE WITH THE INTENT, AND I THINK WE'VE MADE GREAT PROGRESS INTO THE BEGINNING WHEN THIS WAS INTRODUCED, BUT I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT HESITANT. IN THE BALANCING OF TRYING TO INSTIGATE MORE INVESTMENT IN UNDER INVESTED NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRYING TO BALANCE THE MARKET RATE AND THE AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF IT. THANKS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN AH HAWKINS. UM I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE SHOWED UP. UM, LISTEN TO THE RESIDENCE. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU, COREY FOR WORKING ABSOLUTELY HARD, UM HARD ON THIS. IT IS NOT A LOT OF, UH COUNCILMAN COREY ARTHUR. I APOLOGIZE, UM YOU KNOW, I'M. I'M DOWN HARD FOR MY CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT THEY WANT. AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH DISPLACEMENT. UM SO. YOU KNOW IF WE CAN JUST GET THIS BALANCE. I KNOW YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IF WE CAN JUST GET THIS TO WHERE EVERYBODY CAN AGREE SO WE CAN GET THIS PAST WHETHER THAT MEANS TABLE IT WAS IT MEANS FOR HEAD YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN AGREEMENT. I WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN SUPPORT IVENESS. THANK YOU.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE MORE MORE PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE. MAKE IT PAST AND ONCE WE DO, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN AGREEMENT. I'LL JUMP ON AND I'LL BE A CO SPONSOR. OKAY? YEAH.

ORDER MAY I HAVE ORDER? COUNCILMAN BAKER. I AGREE. I COMMEND EVERYONE FOR SHOWING UP AND COME IN COUNSELING ARTHUR FOR HIS HEART HARD WORK. I THINK THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE IMPORTANT AND BECAUSE OF THE HARD STUFF, I DO WANT A MOTION TO TABLE OF CONSULTED ALSO ARTHUR FOR THAT TABLE BY COUNCILOR BAKER, SECOND COUNSELOR BETCHA ON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT GETS TABLED. OKAY? MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT R DASH 091-23, A RESOLUTION INITIATING A REVIEW OF THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE A REVISED DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED. AT 45 16 CANE RUN ROAD IN

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RIGHT. THERE ARE SOME PLANS. YOU DON'T ALMOST ANY PLAN THAT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU WILL HAVE THE BUILDING TO PULL IT FOR ANY OF THE SESSION OF LIKE SOME SUBDIVISION CASES AND A COUPLE OTHER SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO SAY HERE AND THIS IS NOT ANYTHING AGAINST ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, BUT WE HAVE, UH, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. EVEN WITHOUT THE BINDING ELEMENT OF OUR ABILITY TO BRING A PROJECT BACK IN FRONT OF COUNSEL TO BASICALLY DO A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN BOATS, SO THIS IS A PERFECT TO WATCH WHAT HAPPENS HERE FOR THIS PROJECT. IF IT WORKS IF IT PASSES OUT OF COMMITTEE AND WE GO TO THE FULL CHAMBER, AND WE HAVE AN UP DOWN VOTE I THINK IT'S PERFECT EXAMPLE SHOWING THAT WE HAVE THE MECHANICAL PIECES IN PLACE. TO DO EXACTLY THIS. AND UM, THERE'S BEEN LEGISLATION THAT'S BEEN TABLED A NUMBER OF TIMES. THAT WAS KIND OF SPEAKING TO THIS TALKING ABOUT BAIT AND SWITCH AND NEEDING ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION TO ME. THIS IS THIS RIGHT HERE. WHAT COUNCILMAN HAWK COUNCILWOMAN HAWKINS IS DOING SHOWS THAT THAT ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR A WHILE IS NOT NEEDED THAT WE HAVE THE MECHANICS IN PLACE ALREADY TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S EVEN ON A ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE MINING ELEMENT. AND WE'RE STILL PULLING IT BACK OVER. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE FIRST POINT. I WANTED TO MAKE. THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS JUST SOMETHING FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I WAS PURCHASING A PROPERTY THAT I, UM PUT AN OFFER IN ON THIS SPRING. I UNDERWROTE THE PROPERTY AT A 5% INTEREST RATE AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR VARIOUS REASONS TO GET THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT AND TRY TO GET IT TO CLOSE IT. BYE. FOUR MONTHS LATER. BY THE TIME WE HAD AN UNDER CONTRACT UM WE WENT BACK TO THE BANKS, AND THEY SAID , WELL, YOU KNOW YOU WERE UNDERWRITING IT AT FIVE BEFORE NOW, WE'RE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT ON INTEREST RATES, AND I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OWNER AND SAY THIS PROJECT NO LONGER WORKS FOR ME. IN THE CURRENT CONTEXT, THE CURRENT FINANCIAL ENVIRONMENT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SAME THING COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THIS PROJECT. FOR EXAMPLE, I'M NOT SAYING IT DID. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS REASONS WHY YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. IF FOR EXAMPLE, THE COST OF LENDING GOES UP WHILE YOU'RE IN THAT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PHASE, YOU MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND CUT COSTS AND REDESIGN YOUR STRUCTURES IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT IN MIND. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS HERE HAPPENED HERE. IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF CHANGES IN DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS BEING A BAIT AND SWITCH. IT'S IN FACT, I THINK IT'S RARE THAT THAT HAPPENS. I THINK USUALLY THERE'S SOME OTHER UM OUTSIDE, UM, FACTOR THAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO GO BACK AND MAKE A CHANGE TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT IN MIND. THANKS. ANY OTHER

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THAT ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS NICE AND CLEAN RIGHT NOW, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT SOME OF THIS IS DEGENERATING. AND BASICALLY ALL WE'RE DOING IS REDISTRIBUTING POVERTY TO PUT IT POLITELY, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY ADDITIONAL INTENSITY DOWN THERE. I WANT TO SEE THESE INTEN HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS MOVED FURTHER AROUND THE COUNTY. SO FOR THAT REASON I AM IN FAVOR OF HER RESOLUTION TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE AND TRY TO STOP IT. I UNDERSTAND THEIR FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS HERE, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE. THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN , AND I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY UP HERE. BUT COUNCILMAN ZACHARY ARTHUR, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN HAWKINS. YEAH I GUESS I'M ON THE ONE. YES, UM I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK I THINK YOU GUYS NEE TO LOOK UP. CHASE PRINCIPLE. EAT. OKAY, UM. AND IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS AND YOU USE THAT WORD COUNSELING. I ONCE DIRECT IMPACT. THIS IS A DIRECT IMPACT. CONSTITUENTS. DID I SERVE LOUISVILLE METRO IS A COMMUNITY THAT VALUES, DIVERSE OPPORTUNITIES AND OUTCOMES. MUST BE SURE ABOUT ALL RESOURCES.

GLOBAL METRO SEEKS TO ENGAGE OUR CITIZENS IN DECISION MAKING PROCESSES AND ADDRESS THE HISTORY OF EQUAL IT. EQUALITY AND THEIR ONGOING IMPACTS, PARTICULARLY AMONG COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. LOCAL METRO BUILT ENVIRONMENTS SUPPORT. THE CREATION OF SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE PROVIDING. EQUALITY ABLE ACCESS TO QUALITY EDUCATION. EMPLOYMENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF CHOICE FOR OUR CITIZENS. THE COMMUNITY ENJOYING THE BENEFITS. THE GROWTH AND THE IMPUTE AND THE IMPROVEMENT. TO THE BUILT AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. AND ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO SAY. I LOVE AFFORDABLE, HEALTHY. BUT UP AND DOWN CAN'T RUN ROAD. IT'S OVER SATURATED NOT TO MENTION MY CONSTITUENTS. AND EVEN MYSELF WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE WITH TOWN HOME. IN TOWN HOME IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT FIRST. AND IT IS IT'S VERY UNDERMINING. TO THINK THAT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TOWN HOMES. I WAS AT THAT ZONING COMMISSION.

IT'S UNDERMINING TO THINK THAT THEY COULD AFFORD TOWN HOME. UM . THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TOWN HOMES. OKAY ONE ROAD AND SWITCHED TO APARTMENT. BUT AT 8300 COOPER CHAPEL ROAD THEY CAN AFFORD TOWN HALL. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. BOTH OF THEM IS WITH THE SAME DEVELOPER. IT'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. UM AND JUST I WAS THE 21ST. THERE WAS A.

MEETING COOPER CHAPEL. CASE NUMBER 23 ZONES P A DASH 0054. OH, THAT'S TOWN HOME. THAT'S ON COOPER CHAPEL ROAD, AND THEY PRESENTED TO DO TOWN HOME. SAME KIND OF LIKE PLAYING. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN, UM LESS THAN 30 DAYS AGO TO WHERE THEY MONEY GET FUNNY. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR PLAN YET. SO I I'M IN THAT THAT IS WHY THAT THIS IS IN PLACE. IT, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TRAVIS. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN AH, THIS DEVELOPMENT PLANNING COMING TO THE METRO COUNCIL FOR A FULL

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AND THEN WE WERE REALLY COMMITTEE WITH THE FINDING FACTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN HOPKINS CAN PRESENT WITH DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS A YES OR NO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CORRECT. SO WE'RE VOTING YESTERDAY TO BRING TO BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE TO AT THAT POINT, SHE DIDN'T PRESENT HER FINDINGS OF FACT, IF THEY'RE ALREADY PRESSED ON TIME , SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO VOTE. YES, TO REVIEWING COMMITTEE. OKAY SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED. NO HAVE IT. IT GOES BACK TO COMMITTEE.

AND WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.

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