Jul 18, 2023 Planning and Zoning Committee

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ENGEL, COUNCILMAN. THAT SHONE AND COUNCILWOMAN RUI UM FEW THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN

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ENGELS SECOND BY COUNCIL, RENO WEBER, WE ARE READY FOR DISCUSSION. DID YOU DISCUSS THIS THAT THE LAST MEETING YES. OKAY THIS IS JULIA WILLIAMS PLANNING AND SEND SERVICES STAFF. SO THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF OFFICE WOULD GO IN, UM UNTIL I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO GO AHEAD YEAH, IT WASN'T MARCUS TABLED ON MY AGENDA. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD BEEN . I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, SO I WASN'T EITHER. OKAY ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT IF NOBODY EVER SO I THINK, UH UM TRAVIS FISHER, WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAID THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED IN, UM THOROUGHLY SO THEN WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD UH, THT TYPE OF OFFICE WOULD GO INTO THIS PROPERTY? AND SINCE IT'S A SMALL SPACE, IT COULD BE A LAWYER'S OFFICE. UM AND INSURANCE AGENT OR REALTOR, SEVEN TYPE OF SOLO PRACTITIONER THAT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF OFFICE SPACE, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SUPER SPECIFIC, BUT THAT'S THE TYPE THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING FOR. DID THAT ASK ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT SOMEONE ASKED AT THE NEXT MEETING AT THE LAST MEETING. OKAY? GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN BEST. YES. SORRY. MY PRIME GRABS NOT WORKING. UM YES. SO THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. UM SO ARE WE SWITCHING TO O R. ZONING AND THOSE OARS EARNINGS HAVE A VARIABLE AMOUNTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR, UM SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY A SMALL SPACE AND SO IT ALSO ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IS THAT, UM WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE OR THEY MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T ASK THAT QUESTION. BUT IS THERE INSIDE OF BONDING ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THIS. TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS IN OFFICE SPACE OR OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MATTER? TRAVIS PETERSON COUNTY ATTORNEY. I COULD TAKE PART OF THAT. UM SO LIMITATIONS ON USE OPTIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED ARE DISTINCTLY ONE OF THE KIND OF BITING ALMOST THAT WE NEED TO GET APPLICANT APPROVAL FOR SO NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ON THE FLY. UM THE APPLICANT MAY BE WILLING TO BIND OUT SOME USES. I'M NOT SURE BUT, UM I HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT. SO IF THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN, UM THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING I COULD KNOCK OUT PRIOR TO COUNCIL. BUT IF YOU'D PREFER TO KEEP IT. I THINK WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL CYCLE ON THIS, BUT IT IS A LITTLE TIGHT ON TIME. UM NO, WE'RE GOING. I'M FINE. I JUST, UM, MY, MY GUESS, JUST WHAT? I'M TRYING TO PREVENT THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING IS SOME OF THE SITUATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WHERE YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE THING AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE IN A SENSE OF UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT OFFICERS IN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OF SOME SORT. SO UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ZONING. I WAS GONNA ASK A QUICK QUESTION IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY

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UM, ABOUT CHANGE OF USE. OF COURSE, IT NOT THAT SPECIFIC. UM, NO, WE CERTAINLY COULD, UM GIVE ME JUST A SECOND LOOK LIKE TO BRING MY USUAL PRINT OUT. LET ME PULL UP THAT LANGUAGE AND WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BACK, COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL AND COUNCILMAN BAKER.

WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THAT UP, I'M GOING TO ASK THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL COUNCILMAN. I MEAN, PRESIDENT WINKLER. UM YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TODAY? DID YOU WANT THAT HEARD NEXT? ARE YOU PLANNING ON STAYING FOR THE MEETING? COUNCILMAN WINKLER. CAN YOU HEAR ME? SHAKING IT. YOU GET. OKAY. THANK YOU. SHE'S GOT A MESSAGING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE STATEMENT THAT I FORGOT TO READ ITS BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WHILE HE'S FINISHING UP. THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD FOR SOON TO CARA 61.826 AND CANCEL RULE 58. AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TAKE A BREAK FROM NATURAL COUNCIL. WE FORGET EVERYTHING. SORRY ABOUT THE WAIT. THAT'S OKAY. SO THAT LANGUAGE IS ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THE PRO STRUCTURES . E G INCREASED BUILDING HEIGHT NUMBER UNITS, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND THE INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY ANY CHANGE IN USE IN THE PROPERTY, WHICH DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR SUBCOMMITTEE THEREOF. AND OR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE BINDING ELEMENTS OTHER THAN ONE, THE ADDITION NEW BINDING ELEMENTS TO CHANGES TO BINDING ELEMENTS THAT REALLY UPDATE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE OR THREE, UPDATING A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS BINDING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. FINAL ACTION TO BE DETERMINED BY METRO COUNCIL. AND I MOVED THAT BINDING ELEMENT NUMBER SIX. SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE NEW BONDING ELEMENT SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. MHM POSED BY LIFE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE AMENDMENT PASSES. SO COUNCILMAN BET. SEAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING ON THIS? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S FINE.

I'M NOT GETTING ANYTHING. SONIA MAY SCREEN IS NOT REFRESHING TO VOTE. NOT ART ARE NEITHER COUNCILMAN REED WE'RE NOT LETTING YOU LOG IN. YEAH. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO A ROYAL CONVO VOTE WHERE WE TRY TO GET THE VOTING SYSTEM UP. SURE FLOOD? YES. VICE CHAIR, HARRY YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER BAKER YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER RENO WEBER.

COMMITTEE. REMEMBER CHAPEL COMMITTEE COMMITTEE MEMBER, ROY YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER ENGEL YES, MEMBER BET, SEAN. YES. EIGHT YEARS CHAIR. YOU HAVE EIGHT YEARS, FOLKS. THANK YOU WITH EIGHT YEARS FALSE. THIS WILL GO TO OUR BUSINESS AND OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING ITEM NUMBER TWO. WHICH WILL TAKE US TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. IN ORDNANCE RELATED TO THE ZONING INFORMED DISTRICT OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 75 04 75 04 PRESTON HIGHWAY CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 1.65 ACRES AND BEING IN LOCAL METRO CASE NUMBER 22 ZONE 0115.

EXACTLY. PROBABLY MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. WE'RE READY

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I'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. SO THIS IS 75 OR FOUR PRESS AND HIGHWAY LOCATED IN DISTRICT 13.

SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED CURRENTLY VACANT AND THE PROPOSAL IS FOR COMMERCIAL HAS FRONTAGE ON CLAY AVENUE. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING FOR THE SITE . IT'S OUR FIVE AND SEE ONE IN THE SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FORM DISTRICT THEIR PROPOSALS FOR UTF IN THE SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR FARM. SO THE REQUESTS ARE CHANGING FORM FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM OUR FIVE SINGLE FAMILY. RESIDENTIAL AND SEE WHY COMMERCIAL TO UTF OFFICE TOURIST FACILITY. AND THERE'S ALSO A DETAILED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON FINDING ELEMENTS. THE LAW WAS PERSONALLY DEVELOPED WITH PARKING ALONG CLAY AVENUE. THERE'S AN EASEMENT FOR ACCESS SHARED WITHIN ADJACENT LOT, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A MOTEL WITH 50 ROOMS. SO THIS IS THE APPLICANTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE BUILDING RENDERINGS. PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE ACCESS. CORNER OF PRESTON AND CLAY AND THE INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF PLAY. SO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON MAY 24TH 2022, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS HELD ON APRIL 13TH 2023. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 25TH 2023 ON A MOTION THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM OUR FOUR AND C 120 T F, WHICH PASSED BY A VOTE OF 7 TO 2. THERE WAS A MOTION TO ALSO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CHANGE INFORMED DISTRICT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUBURBAN MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR, WHICH PASSED BY A VOTE OF 7 TO 2. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M LOOKING AT THE VOTE BECAUSE THERE'S UM. TWO NO VOTES ON THE CHANGE FOR FROM NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR THE CHANGE, INFORMED DISTRICT AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS UM, ACCORDING TO THE RECORD THERE WAS ON THE CHANGE IN ZONING. YEAH I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE VOTE TO MAKE IT UNDERSTOOD THE VOTE. THAT'S IT. THIS IS A VERY AH! DEEP PROJECT TO BE PUTTING IN THAT AREA. IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS ONCE IN MY DISTRICT AND IT'S JUST LIKE PUT IN A MOTEL ON TOP OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IT'S NOTHING THAT THE COMMISSION DID A GOOD JOB LISTENING TO, UM AND COMPARING THE AREA WITH THE UM. WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CALLED IN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I THINK THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THAT, BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMPACT THERE. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE STICKING SOMETHING. IT'S ALMOST LIKE STICKING THEIR ROUND. PEG INTO A SQUARE PEG HOLE, IT WAS WOULD NOT HAVE REALLY BEEN. CONDUCIVE FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT AREA, EITHER. SO I COMMEND THEM ON THEIR DECISION. THIS IS AN COUNCILMAN DAN TIMES DISTRICT,

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MY NAME IS MIKE KING. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL METRO'S OFFICE OF PLANNING. UM I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THEIR PRESSING QUARTER OF PLAY IN THE PRESS AND QUARTER OF PLAN WHILE LAND USE ALONG THE CORRIDOR. CERTAINLY IMPORTANT, IT REALLY FOCUSES ON KIND OF NODAL CENTERS WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE BETTER TRANSIT SERVICE. THIS WOULD NOT BE ONE OF THOSE NOODLES CENTERS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WHATEVER YOU GET. YOU GOT TO GIVE ME MY SECOND PART OF MY, UH COMMENTARY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HOW COUNCILMAN SIMON DOES HAVE AN INPUT ON THIS, AND I WOULD ALSO LOVE IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS WAS JUST REDISTRICTED OUT OF YOUR DISTRICT YEAR AND A HALF AGO. UM SO I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER.

BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING? ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR TIMING ISSUES. THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT TIME IN THIS CASE. I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS. AUGUST. 25TH IS THE FINAL DATE ON THIS ONE. I NEED THEN A SECOND. SECOND UH, COUNCILMAN. BUT, SEAN, DID YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTION BEFORE WE TABLED IT SINCE YOU WERE IN THE SYSTEM? I WAS GONNA ASK EXACTLY WHAT JENNIFER JUST ASKED. OKAY THANK YOU. SO WE'VE HAD A MOTION TO TABLE BY COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL AND SEGMENT BACK HIM. COUNCILMAN BET, SEAN. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ISSUE. SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. BY BY LIKE SIGN. SAYING NONE. THE MOTION PASSES SO THIS WILL BE TABLED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. KAY NEXT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR. WE NEED TO HAVE A LET, UH ENJOY YOUR CHANGE WITH WHO'S GONNA SPEAK TO IT, RACHEL, OKAY. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT INTO THE RECORD. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11 COLLEAGUES. WE'RE GONNA MOVE TITLE NUMBER 11, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE VERY TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND APPROVING ITS EXECUTIVE

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PROBABLY MEANT BY COUNCILMAN CHAPEL SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. HELLO MY NAME IS RACHEL CASEY AND I'M AN URBAN PLANNER WITH LOUISVILLE METRO'S OFFICE OF PLANNING IN THE LONG RANGE DIVISION OVERSEEING NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESSES AND OTHER LONG RANGE PLANNING PROCESSES TODAY HERE TO SPEAK ON THE BARRE TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN , WHICH IS CASE 23 AREA 0001. FOR BACKGROUND ON THIS PLAN. BARRY TOWN IS A HISTORICALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD IN EASTERN JEFFERSON COUNTY THAT HAS NEVER HAD A FORMAL LONG RANGE PLAN.

UM, SINCE MERGER, IT IS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA OF THE OLD HENRY ROAD, SUDBURY, A PLAN FROM 2007 , WHICH COVERS A MUCH LARGER AREA. BARRY TOWN IS A SMALLER AREA WITHIN THAT PLAN. COUNCIL MEMBER ANTHONY ANTHONY PIACENTINI AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXPRESSED DESIRE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IN 2021, AND THE PLANNING PROCESS BEGAN IN JANUARY OF 2022. AS I'M SURE YOU'RE WELL AWARE DURING THIS PROCESS, THE METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES WERE CHANGED DUE TO POLITICAL REDISTRICTING AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE BERRY TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD NOW LIES WITHIN METRO COUNCIL DISTRICT, 17 REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT MARCUS WINKLER.

PREVIOUSLY THIS CASE WAS HEARD AT PLANNING COMMITTEE ON MAY 8TH 2023 AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE 1ST 2023. THIS IS THE STUDY AREA BOUNDARY FOR THE TARRYTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN SEE ITS LOCATION WITHIN JEFF JEFFERSON COUNTY. UM AND THEN ALSO IT'S ACTUAL BOUNDARY FOR THE STUDY AREA OF THE PLAN. THIS WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH COMMUNITY INPUT AND ALSO A LOT OF HISTORIC PLAT MAPS FOR BARRY TOWN, INCLUDING ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN FRIEDMAN OFFERED. BARRY WAS ORIGINALLY PLOTTED THIS LAND. THE PROJECT TEAM FOR THIS WE HAD OH ADVISORS AS OUR MAIN CONSULTANT WITH THE SUB CONSULTANT OF E H I, WHO DID MOST OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS PROCESS. THE TIMELINE FOR THIS PLAN. LIKE I SAID IT BEGAN WITH AN INITIAL MEETING IN FALL OF 2021. WE ALREADY CONSULTANT AND THEN BEGAN THE ACTUAL PLANNING PROCESS IN MARCH OF 2022 BETWEEN MARCH AND JULY, 2022. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN VERY TOWN. IN SEPTEMBER. THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE PRESENTED AND AN IN PERSON MEETING AND BARRY TOWN AND THEN IN OCTOBER, THE FULL DRAFT PLAN WAS PRESENTED. BETWEEN NOVEMBER AND MARCH OF 2023. THERE WAS A PERIOD OF PLAN REFINEMENT AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. AND THEN AS YOU SAW IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE IN BAY. THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THIS PLAN WAS VERY ROBUST. BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HIGH LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT AND THE DESIRE FOR A QUICK PLANNING PROCESS. THE PLANNING TEAM MADE THE DECISION TO FOREGO AND ADVISORY GROUP WHICH IS GENERALLY PRESENT ON THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, HOWEVER, THERE WAS SUCH AN ENGAGED GROUP OF RESIDENTS THAT WE FELT THAT AN ADVISORY GROUP UM WOULD SORT OF JUST BE A BIT OF A REPEAT OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAD IN A REGULAR MEETINGS. AS I SAID THERE WERE SEVEN IN PERSON MEETINGS IN NINE MONTHS. AND THIS MEETING INFORMATION WAS COMMUNICATED THROUGH YARD SIGNS , FLYERS AND AN ONGOING EMAIL LIST CONSISTENT GROUP OF 25 TO 30 RESIDENTS INTENDED EACH MEETING AND EVERY PERSON WHO ATTENDED A MEETING. IT'S LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE PLAN. IN ADDITION TO THESE ITEMS WEBSITE WAS ALSO CREATED THAT HOSTED MEETING INFORMATION RECORDINGS AND PLANNED DOCUMENTS. THESE ARE THE PLANT COMPONENTS LISTED HERE , THE ONES THAT YOU SEE WITH THE STARBOARD SIDE THEM OR REQUIRED PLAN COMPONENTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING ORDINANCE , AND THEN THERE WERE TWO ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS ADDED IN BARRY TOWN PARK AND QUALITY OF LIFE. THE VISION STATEMENT FOR THE VERY TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IS AS FOLLOWS BARRY TOWN IS A SAFE, WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THAT PRESERVES ITS HISTORIC BLACK LEGACY BY PROMOTING THE CONTINUATION OF HOME OWNERSHIP. IT IS A THRIVING AND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED BY RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE WITH SAFE, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETS THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO JOBS, PARKS, TRANSIT SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES AND OTHER RESOURCES. BURY TOWN FOSTERS CIVICALLY ENGAGED COMMUNITY WITH A SMALL TOWN FEEL IN A FORESTED NEIGHBORHOOD. I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH A FEW OF THE OBJECTIVES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANT COMPONENTS. UNDER LAND USE. WE HAD AN OBJECTIVE TO PROMOTE A RESILIENT AND CIVICALLY ENGAGED NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH 501 C THREE STATUS. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THEY'VE ALREADY ACTUALLY ACHIEVED THIS RECOMMENDATION. OBJECTIVE TWO WAS TO SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE BARRY TOWN'S HISTORIC HOUSING LEGACY. IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THEM TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT THAT REFLECTS THE DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, TO SORT OF WORK WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO DECREASE THE NUMBER OF VACANT AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES AND ENSURE THAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING FORM. HOUSING UM

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I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR DILIGENCE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THIS HAPPENING FOR ESPECIALLY ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PLAN, AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO APPROVE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BAKER. WELL COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. SHE TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE ON THIS. UM BUT I DO JUST HAVE A SMALL QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE, UH, THE TIMELINE OF THE GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FROM BEGINNING TO END. IT WAS ABOUT, UM A YEAR AND A HALF , WHICH IS GENERALLY THE PROCESS GENERALLY TAKES US ABOUT, LIKE 9 TO 12 MONTHS TO DO THE ON THE GROUND PLANNING PROCESS, AND THEN FOR US TO GET THROUGH THE LIKE FINAL PLAN, REFINEMENT AND APPROVAL TAKES US USUALLY LIKE ANOTHER 3 TO 5 MONTHS TO DO THAT , OKAY, AND WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE STAYING IN LINE WITH THE 2040 VISION. UM, WHAT IS KIND OF THIS? THE SHELF LIFE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANES THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING. WE GENERALLY TRY TO THINK ABOUT USUALLY A 10 YEAR HORIZON. OKAY, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY ALWAYS THE CASE. WE DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE THE RESOURCES OF THE TIME TO RENEW THESE EVERY 10 YEARS. BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE PLANNING PROCESS , WE GENERALLY ASK THE COMMUNITY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY TO LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO NOTHING FURTHER AND JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. THIS ISN'T PRESIDENT WINKLER'S DISTRICT PRESIDENT WINKLER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS US? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND I REALLY JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO THANK THE STAFF CONSULTANT AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, ALL OF THE IN COUNSELING ARGENTINA, WHO STAFF MENTIONED KICKED OFF THIS PROCESS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. IN MOST IMPORTANTLY, ALL OF THE RESIDENTS. I MEAN TO SAY THAT WE GOT A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT FROM RESIDENTS. I THINK IT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A MEETING WHERE THERE WERE FEWER THAN 25 OR 30 PEOPLE. UM AT THE MEETING, AND THAT'S EVERY SINGLE TIME AND SO YOU KNOW, REALLY EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING. AND BARRY TOWN, THIS IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS. UM THAT'S GOING INTO A LARGER PLAN IN THAT AREA. UM AND REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT FOR THIS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, PRESIDENT WINKLER. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE FOR ANY COMMENTS SEEN NONE. UM, WE WILL. WE WILL. VICE JERRY. YES. THIS MORNING. DID YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? COUNCIL.

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ZONING IS EXISTING C ONE AND THE PROPOSALS FOR C TO BOTH IN THE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE CORRIDOR. AS I MENTIONED. THE CHANGE IN ZONING IS FROM C ONE TO C TWO AND THERE WAS A DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH BINDING ELEMENTS INCLUDED. THE PROPOSALS FOR RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING TAVERN TAVERN IS CURRENTLY NONCONFORMING IN THE EXISTING C ONE ZONING DISTRICT. IT IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELLWOOD AVENUE AND BROWNS BOROUGH ROAD.

THERE'S NO NEW VEHICULAR ACCESS PROPOSED TO THE SITE. THE EXISTING VEHICULAR ACCESSES FROM MILLWOOD. SO THIS IS THE APPLICANTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, SEE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE VIEW FROM MELWOOD. ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY ACROSS BROWN'S BOROUGH.

ADJACENT TO THE SITE DOWN BROWN'S BOROUGH. AND THEN THIS IS LOCATED BEHIND THE SITE. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 5TH 2022. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING WAS HELD ON APRIL 27TH 2023. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 25TH 2023, AND THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C ONE TO C TO BUY THE 9 TO 0. THAT CONCLUDES REPRESENTATION. THANK YOU. JULIA THIS IS IN. COUNCILMAN UM CHICORY AUTHORS DISTRICT AND HE DID HAVE A STATEMENT THAT HE SENT TO ME THAT HE HAS NO CONCERNS ABOUT THIS THAT THE MILLWOOD TAVERN HAS BEEN A FINE BUSINESS NEIGHBORS SINCE 18 85. IT'S A LONG TIME. DID. CANCEL WOMAN, RUI. I'VE JUST GOT ONE QUESTION. I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS. FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES. THIS IS GOING TO DOUBLE THE CAPACITY OF THE TAVERN. AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE NEED FOR PARKING.

WHAT'S THE PARKING SITUATION LIKE OVER THERE? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ROOM FOR THAT. SO WITH OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIRED FOR STRUCTURES THAT ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD. SO.

THEY DO HAVE SOME ON STREET PARKING SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AVAILABLE ON STREET PARKING ALONG BROWNSVILLE ROAD GOING EAST. UM. THERE'S. THERE'S ALSO QUITE A FEW BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA THAT ARE NOT OPEN AT THE SAME TIME MAKING ON STREET PARKING PRETTY AVAILABLE DOWN THE STREET IS ALSO, UM, THE NSC. BASIS. BEAR GRASS CREEK AREA

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THAT'S AMAZING. COUNCILMAN REED. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WHER EXACY ONROWN BOROUGH IS THIS? IS IT WEST OF NO WOOD. SO THIS WOU BE ON THE N KE. ON THE EAST. THE NORTHEAST CORNER, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A STORAGE UNIT ON THE DIAGONAL CORNER TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND THEN CAR REPAIR ON THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER OR SOUTH YES, SOUTH EAST CORNER.

UM, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S STORAGE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. SORRY. OKAY, SO YOU YOU REFERENCE PARKING EASTBOUND, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME, UM RIGHTSIZING ROAD DIETING BROWNSVILLE ROAD THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED NOW. IT IS GOING. TO PROPOSED FROM AT THE MOMENT FROM CHINA. WE'RE GOING TO UM TO MELWOOD. SO YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING. EVENTUALLY PARKING AWAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS IT GOES TO THREE LANES. GOING WEST. SO TO COUNCILWOMAN RUIZ POINT, YOU KNOW? POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE PARKING ISSUES IF THEY DOUBLE THEIR SIZE. THERE'S AVAILABLE PARKING ALONG, UH, THE WESTERN PORTION OF BROWN'S BOROUGH ROAD AS YOU GO TO STORY AVENUE AS WELL AS A LONG MELWOOD AVENUE SINCE THOSE LAND USE OF THE WEST SIDE OF MELWOOD AVENUE, SINCE THOSE LAND USES ARE MAINLY STORAGE. UM, AT THAT CORNER. SO THERE IS SOME AVAILABLE PARKING THERE. AND THEN I'M NOT SURE ABOUT PARKING ALONG MELWOOD. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ON STREET PARKING ALONG THAT WOULD OTHER THAN RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE SITE. BUT AS YOU APPROACH THE FLOOD WALL I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ON STREET PARKING PAST THAT FLOOD WALL. AND THEN THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR IS AN OFFICE. SO A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA WOULD NOT BE OPEN. AT THE PEAK TIME THAT A TAVERN WOULD BE OPEN. SO THERE'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO HAVE ANY PARKING ISSUES BECAUSE OF THAT. UM UH, THE PEAK TIMES OF THOSE BUSINESSES. EVEN THE RESTAURANT THAT'S ACROSS MELWOOD. UH IS NOT OPEN. UH THERE'S SOME OVERLAP WITH THE WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT AGAIN, THE RESTAURANT CLOSES UM, AND THE PEAK TIMES ARE ONLY ONLY OVERLAP. A LITTLE BIT. THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE UNTIL OR AM. AND I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT INFORMATION. UH BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A RESTRICTION THAT'S INDICATING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE ANY EARLIER THAN 4 A.M. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I SEE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, SO I WOULD TAKE THAT THAT WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

WITHOUT OBJECTION, VOTING IS CLOSING THEIR EIGHT YES VOTES, AND THIS WILL GO TO OLD BUSINESS AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MOVING ON TO ORDINANCE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE ZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 46 22. PAPA LOVE A ROW CONTAINING 0.93 ACRES AND BEING IN LOVE OF METRO CASE NUMBER 23 ZONE 0015. SECOND PROBABLY MADE BY COUNCILMAN

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THIS IS THE APPLICANTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE BUILDING ELEVATION OF THE POLE BARN.

PHOTOS OF THE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. UH THERE'S A SITE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH HAS A C P FOR A DAYCARE. UM AND THEN A RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL LAND USES TO THE NORTH. NONRESIDENTIAL ACROSS POPULAR LEVEL ROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL AND THEN NONRESIDENTIAL COSTS ACROSS POPULAR LEVEL ROAD, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL AND THEN A FIRE STATION. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 21ST 2022, WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON APRIL 27TH 2023. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 1ST 2023, THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHANGING ZONING FROM OUR 42 C TWO, WHICH WAS PASSED BY A VOTE OF 7 TO 0. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. YOU SAID THIS WAS ENFORCEMENT ACTION. OPERATING IN PROPER ZONING. IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? THAT'S RIGHT. UM I JUST HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. UM BECAUSE IT'S SO COMMISSIONER CARLSON REQUESTED A VINYL FENCE AND I GUESS THE APPLICANTS ATTORNEY SAID SHE COULDN'T AGREE TO THAT. WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF IT? DID THEY GO BACK AND ASK THE OWNER IF THEY WOULD CONSER THAT, OR THEY JUST DROPPED IT AT THAT. I BELIEVE THEY JUST DROPPED IT AT THAT. GOTCHA. I THINK THIS IS AN COUNCILMAN RUIZ DISTRICT. OKAY WELL, I WAS JUST THINKING AS I WATCHED THIS THAT THIS IS A PATTERN THAT WE KEEP HAVING OF PLACES THAT COME FOR REZONING WHEN THEY KNOW GOOD AND WELL, WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS AGAINST THEIR CURRENT ZONING, AND THEY CONTINUE DOING IT FOR YEARS. SO YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE AS A COMMITTEE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. UM AS FAR AS ITS LOCATION AND WHERE ITS OPERATING RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT I'M NOT THRILLED WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2015 KNOWING THAT IT WAS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING. WAS THEIR ENFORCEMENT ACTION. WHEN WAS THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION TAKEN? JULIA DINO, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. NOW, THIS IS A PRETTY COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALIZED AREA. I'M SORRY IT USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY JUST GRADUALLY BEEN REZONING EVERYTHING AND MAKING IT COMMERCIAL. COUNCILWOMAN CHAPEL. I WAS JUST GOING TO EXPRESS THE SAME THING THAT COUNCILWOMAN REALLY DID. UM AND JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHEN SOMEONE IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE. IS THERE A PENALTY OR FEE AGAIN? JUST AS THIS KEEPS COMING UP? UM WHAT? WHAT? IN ADDITION TO MAYBE IF THEY PLEAD IGNORANCE, WHAT IS THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO THIS TO HELP PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY NEED

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SO WHEN WE, UH WE ALWAYS WANT COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY HAVE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, SO WE SEEK FOR COMPLIANCE AND SO TO COMPLY WITH THIS. THEIR OPTION WAS TO CHANGE THE ZONING AS YOU SEE, AS IT JUST PRESENTED, SO THERE'S NO FINE ISSUED IF THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE. BUT WHEN THEY STOP MOVING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE, THAT'S WHEN, UH, ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT AGAIN AND WE START ISSUING A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, AND THAT'S WHEN THE LIKE, IF THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPLIANCE. THEN WE START WITH THE FINDING AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE, THEN THERE'S NO FINES ISSUED. THANK YOU. AND IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THROUGH THE TO THE ZONING PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT STEPS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE ALONG THE WAY, INCLUDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT WE REQUIRE TO HAVE BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN GET IN FRONT OF YOU KNOW ANY OF THE SUBJECTS SUBCOMMITTEES OF THE COMMISSION TO, UM BUT I AGREE. I AM. THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES. THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. AND BEHIND THE NOT BEHIND THAT BAR, BUT BEHIND BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS, AND, UM AND THERE ARE SOME, UM NONCONFORMING RIGHTS AND I THINK IN THE AH CITY. IT'S IN THE SEVENTIES. IS THAT RIGHT? BUT IN THE COUNTY, THE SUBURBAN AREAS YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE IN BUSINESS AND WHAT 1943 SOMEWHERE IN THE FORTIES? YES AND I ACTUALLY HAD ONLY PROBABLY HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE THERE WAS ONE BUSINESS THAT I REMEMBER THAT THIS HAPPENED AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVE AND IT WAS IN MY DISTRICT AND BLUE LIKE ROAD 1943. PICTURE. HAVE THE GRANDFATHER'S SHOP, AND IT HAD BEEN USED THAT WAY ALL ALONG.

BUT IT WASN'T THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF. THAT'S BEEN ABLE TO PROVE THAT THEY WERE IN EXISTENCE IN 1943. TO RETAIN THEIR NONCOMPLIANCE. COUNCILMAN YES. CAN I JUST SAY ALSO, I FEEL LIKE THIS COMES UP A LOT WITH CONTRACTORS OR IT SEEMS LIKE WHENEVER THE ABC IS INVOLVED WITH THE TAVERN. UM IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE THAT KIND OF LIKE WORKS IN CAHOOTS OF LIKE MAKING SURE THAT THE ZONING MATCHES SO THEY CAN GET THEIR LICENSING, YOU KNOW, UM WHATEVER. WHATEVER THE CASES, DEPARTMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. AND SO IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT LIKE, UM BUILDING AND PLANNING, UM PERMITTING. HOW MUCH INTERACTION THERE IS. YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT? ARE THEY CROSS REFERENCING THE ZONING TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN COMPLIANCE. UM SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WARRANTS ANY SORT OF ANSWER. THIS IS JUST A RHETORICAL THING. I'M PUTTING OUT INTO THE UNIVERSE. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE CONTRACTORS. HOW CAN HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THEM KNOW WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING IS AND HOW THEY CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT COULD ALSO HELP THEM WHEN THEY'RE OUT, DOING THEIR OWN WORK. SURE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE APPLICANTS STARTED OUT AS JUST AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS DOING SOME LONG CARE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD KID THAT MOST PEOPLE'S LAWNS. THIS IS BY NO MEANS SOME KID, BUT IT WAS JUST A GUY THAT WAS DOING LAWNS AND THEN UH, AS ITS BUSINESS GREW, HE SOUGHT APPROVAL FOR A POLE BARN THAT WAS LARGER THAN AND THEN THE HOME ON THE SITE. SO, UH, TO STORE ALL OF HIS EQUIPMENT. AND THEN THE BUSINESS KIND OF GREW FROM THAT BECAME NOW A CONTRACTOR SHOP, AND THEN THEY STARTED TO DO SOME HAVING SOME MALT OUTSIDE AND STARTED HAVING SOME OTHER LIKE OUTDOOR, LIKE GRAVELLY STUFF THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE BUSINESS. AND SO IT KIND OF GREW OUT OF THIS. UM JUST THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS MOWING LAWNS . AND SO SOMETIMES THEY JUST SOMETIMES I THINK THAT THEY CAN JUST LIKE OH, I'M JUST DOING THIS BUSINESS. BUT THEN THEY HIRE PEOPLE AND THEN YOU START HAVING TRUCKS. UH HUH. AND THEN THEN IT BECOMES ENFORCEMENT ISSUE BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE, WELL , THIS IS NOW A NOT JUST YOU. BOWEN LAWNS IS NOW A FULL FLEDGED BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND UM, TRUCKS AND ALL OF THIS, IT BECOMES A BIGGER DEAL. SO WE DO SEE THAT QUITE A BIT WITH CONTRACTORS. AND IF I MIGHT EXPLAIN JUST A LITTLE BIT JULIET. SHE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU KNOW THE EXACT MOMENT OF OH, YOU REALLY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN REZONED TO THAT. YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN SOME LICENSING. THAT CAN BE A LITTLE UNCLEAR TO FOLKS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY START ON A SORT OF CASUAL BASIS, AND THAT DOESN'T TEND TO HAPPEN ON THE SECOND PART FOR THINGS LIKE BARS, RIGHT. IT'S VERY CLEARLY AN ALCOHOL LICENSE SO ONES THAT HAVE A SORT OF MORE CLEARLY DEFINED REGULATORY PROCESS. UM DON'T TEND TO GET QUITE THIS FAR ALONG, BUT THE ONES THAT CAN START IN THIS SORT OF CASUAL

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THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE ARE READY TO VOTE. VICE TERRY. YES. WITHOUT OBJECTION, BUT IN HIS CLOSING THEIR EIGHT YES VOTES, AND THIS WILL GO TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND WILL BE A WEDDING INFORMATION ON THAT. ZONING. OH, BUSINESS. I'M SORRY. OH, BUSINESS. OKAY? I HAVE TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT SOMEONE WAS ASKED FIRST UP TO TAKE UP LAST AND THEN ONE AT TWO O'CLOCK THAT IS IN THAT'S COUNCILMAN, UM P ARGENTINA'S ORDINANCE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. UM UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO ENTERTAIN A 10 MINUTE BREAK, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO START ON ANOTHER. PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND THEN OKAY? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE CREATING A NEW SECTION OF LAW, JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT CODE OF ORDINANCE L. M C O CHAPTER 153 REGARDING THE PROCESS THE PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS AT THEIR DELINQUENT TAX TAXES ARE VALID LINES HELD BY LOCAL METRO THAT ARE UNPAID. MOTION. PROBABLY MADE BY COUNCILMAN BAKER AND SEGMENT BANK COUNCILMAN RENO WEBER. UM THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WORK DONE WITH COUNTY ATTORNEY'S LAURA FARC, LAURA FERGUSON AND TRAVIS FEASTER. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ARE BUILDING PROJECTS IN LOUISVILLE THAT YOU SHOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH TAXES, OR IF YOU HAVE LANES, ANOTHER PROPERTIES.

THAT YOU SHOULD BE A GOOD STANDING. IF THERE THOSE ARE OUTSTANDING, AND YOU NEED TO PAY THOSE BEFORE YOU MOVED TO PROJECT B C D OR E, ER, WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE WORKING ON, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DEVELOPING TO, UM, BEING COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ASK OF OUR NEIGHBORS WITH THROUGH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CALLED ALSO IS THAT THEY COME AND COMPLIANCE OR THEY GET FINED. AND THAT THEY CAN'T SELL THEIR HOUSE AND WITH A LIEN ON IT. THEY HAVE TO PAY IT. BUT DEVELOPMENTS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT SOMETIMES DOESN'T GET SO FOR YEARS AND STATUTES OF LIMITATIONS. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS BEFORE US. UM WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, I THINK BEHIND THE SCENES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED AND REINTRODUCED, AND THIS DOES NOT PUT A BURDEN ON THE PLANNING IN DESIGN TEAM. THIS ONE, AND I'VE ALREADY CHECKED THIS OUT WITH THE O. N.

B AND, UM, WITH THE REVENUE COMMISSION, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE A PROBABLY A QUICK TURNAROUND, MAYBE TWO WEEKS UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SOME TYPE OF MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCE THAT MAY TAKE LONGER, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP THE DEVELOPER. FROM PUTTING IN HIS APPLICATION. UM IT JUST STOPS THAT HE CANNOT HEAR SHARE WHATEVER CANNOT GET A SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. AND ONCE ONCE THE CITY OF LONGUEUIL HAS STAMPED OFF ON THAT THAT IS CONSIDERED WHAT IT WHAT IT IS, AND IT CANNOT BE CHALLENGED. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE. THANK YOU. IT JUST NOW DID.

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OKAY WE'RE BACK FROM OUR LITTLE BREAK HERE AND WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY CANCELING THE ARGENTINE E WILL TAKE UP HIS LEGISLATION NEXT, AND WE HAVE ALSO BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR NO. ONE WELCOME. WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ITEM NUMBER 10, AN ORDINANCE IMPOSING THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED WITHIN THE FLOYDS FORK SPECIAL DISTRICT. MOTION, PLEASE MOTION. REMEMBER COUNSELING BAKER AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MARINO WEBER. WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION AND I'LL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO CATCH COUNCIL NP ARGENTINE E THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE TO GET INTO A TON OF BACKGROUND ON THE IMPORTANCE OF FLOYDS FORK, I THINK THERE'S BEEN GRATEFULLY A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION AROUND THIS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WATERWAY, BOTH IN TERMS OF ITS WETLANDS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. ALSO AS A SANCTUARY FOR WILDLIFE AND ANIMAL LIFE IN THE AREA. AND WE'VE SEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S BEAR, GRASS CREEK OR OTHER WATERWAYS. BUT HOW DEVELOPMENT CAN NOT ALWAYS BUT CAN IF DONE INCORRECTLY. IMPACT NEGATIVELY THESE IMPORTANT WATERWAYS IN OUR COMMUNITY SO A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO NOW AND IT'S BEEN, UH, YOU'RE PUSHING HERE IN A FEW MONTHS, IT WAS ACTUALLY AT THE TIME. COUNCILWOMAN CHAMBERS ARMSTRONG . NOW, SENATOR CHAMBERS ARMSTRONG, WHO, UH, JOIN ME IN PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE CODE. IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PERTINENT TO THE FLOYDS FORK, CHIARO. TWO. HMM NO SIGNIFICANT WORK. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT MY LANGUAGE HERE. WAS DON UNTIL RECENTLY, AND BY RECENTLY, I MEAN THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WASN'T ANY WORK DONE, BUT I WAS FRUSTRATED BY THE LACK OF SENSE OF URGENCY IN THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION. THE GREENBERG MINISTRATIONS CAME IN. THEY HAVE CLEARLY PRIORITIZE THIS. I KNOW THEY'RE PRIORITIZED REVIEW OF OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE, SUCH AS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SECTION OF THE CODE, BUT THIS ONE THE REASON THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY IS TWOFOLD.

NUMBER ONE. WE'VE ALL SEEN THE DATA ON HOUSING STARTS IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND DISTRICT 19 OF WHICH A HUGE SECTION OF THE DEVELOPED MOBILE PART OF THE D R O IS IN. UH HAS THE HIGHEST GROWTH NUMBERS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MULTI FAMILY HOMES AND THEN COMBINED SINGLE AND MULTI FAMILY HOMES ACROSS ALL DISTRICTS. SO THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE DESIRE TO DEVELOP IN THAT DISTRICT. AND THAT'S HAPPENING AT A VERY RAPID PACE. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS MANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ONCE THEY ARE IN PLACE. IT IS VERY HARD TO ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO REVERSE THE DAMAGE. RIGHT ONCE YOU START MOVING DIRT. IT IS VERY IN THERE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE WAS EVEN A DEVELOPMENT. RECENTLY WE'RE MSD AND THE DEVELOPER ADMITTED THERE WAS A MISTAKE DONE IN THE WAY THEY WERE DOING RUNOFF WATER COLLECTION ALONG FLOYDS FORK.

THEY HAVE TO REDO IT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME IN THE DAMAGES IS ONGOING UNTIL THEY'RE ABLE TO FIX THAT. SO, UM AS A RESULT OF THAT I'VE PROPOSED THIS MORATORIUM. I WANT TO BE SUPER CLEAR RIGHT FROM THE GET GO. AND I SAID THIS IN ONE OF MY NEWSLETTERS. I REALLY DON'T LIKE MORATORIUMS. I'M NOT A FAN, THE REASON BEING NOT JUST YOUR PEOPLE SAY, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY YOU KNOW THEY CAN STICK UP FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT, AND GOD BLESS HIM. THE PEOPLE THAT OWN LAND IN THESE COMMUNITIES, SOME OF WHICH RELY ON THAT LAND FOR PART OF THEIR PERSONAL WEALTH. AND BEING ABLE TO SELL IT. MAYBE THEY WERE A FARMER AND THEIR FAMILY IS NOT GOING TO TAKE UP THE FARM ANYMORE. AND THEY'RE LITERALLY

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SO I'M EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO HOW SERIOUS A TERM LIKE THIS IS FOR THOSE LANDOWNERS. WHO WERE RELYING ON IN ASSUMING THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISPENSE OF THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY WHEN THEY SAW FIT. WITH THAT SAID, I ALSO CAN'T SHY AWAY FROM THE ONGOING DAMAGE AND THE LACK OF AH SENSE OF URGENCY THAT WAS DEMONSTRATED LAST YEAR IN DOING THIS WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE GREENBERG ADMINISTRATION PLANNING AND DESIGN. THEY REALLY STEPPED UP TO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CURRENTLY OPEN . I THINK FOR ANOTHER WEEK OR SO I KNOW WE ARE GETTING COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, SO WE'VE GOT GREAT ENGAGEMENT. THAT'S BEEN TREMENDOUS. ONCE THAT'S DONE. THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION WILL BE MADE TO PLANNING AND ZONING EXCUSE ME THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THERE AND WE'LL COME TO COUNCIL FOR A FULL VOTE. AND AFTER SPEAKING WITH MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION AS EARLY AS THIS MORNING. I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MOVING IN A MUCH MORE EXPEDITIOUS WAY. WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE IS A TIME LIMITED MORATORIUM. IT IS LIMITED TO ONE OF TWO THINGS SIX MONTHS OR WHEN WE'VE ADOPTED THE NEW STANDARDS. I DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT'S IN HERE THAT I WOULD BE OPEN TO SOMEBODY. I'M NOT PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, BUT I'D BE OPEN TO SOMEBODY ADOPTING IT SO WE CAN DEBATE THE TOTALITY OF IT, INCLUDING THE AMENDMENT. THE AMENDMENT. CLEARLY SIMPLY STATES THAT IT CHANGES SOME LANGUAGE ON PAGE TWO OF THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, CLARIFYING WHEN THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, SAYS APPLICATIONS THAT ADDS THE LANGUAGE PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE RECEIVED FIRST READING. AND THEN CHANGES THE LANGUAGE. THEY WERE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR BOARDING OF ZONING BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT MAY CONTINUE TO BE PROCESSED AND DECIDED UPON THOSE BODIES. THE REASON FOR ADOPTING THAT LANGUAGE IS TO PROTECT AGAINST AND WE SAW THIS IN PRIOR INSTANCES WHERE, WHEN WHENEVER YOU START TO ADOPT QUESTIONS LIKE THIS, YOU START TO SEE PEOPLE AND TO BE VERY CLEAR. NOT THE GOOD ACTORS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, MANY OF WHICH JUST WANT TO ABIDE BY THE CURRENT RULES AND WANT TO ABIDE BY SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT CODES. BUT THOSE THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE PROFIT AT THE EXPENSE OF POTENTIALLY IRREVERSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. START TO TRY TO GET THEIR APPLICATIONS IN . SO WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN WHILE WE ARE DEBATING. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, SO THAT IS THE AMENDED LANGUAGE HERE MORE THAN WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOTALITY OF IT. IF SOMEBODY WANT TO TAKE UP THE AMENDMENT, GLAD TO DEBATE THAT AS WELL, BUT MADAM CHAIR THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. GLAD TO DISCUSS THIS. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. MOVE THE AMENDMENT OF . MAKING A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT AS READ INTO THE RECORD COUNT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MEMBER BEFORE WE APPROVE IT. SO THAT WAY WE CAN DISCUSS THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED BY LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES SO NOW WE HAVE THEN THE NEW 24 AND THAT HAS BEEN ON THE SYSTEM. HIS AMENDMENT WAS ON THE SYSTEM. UM. TRYING TO GET TO THE SPEAKERS. COUNCILMAN OWEN. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT I WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. UM YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME ON THE COUNCIL FLOOR BEFORE. SAY THAT I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF UM PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT I AM GOING TO BE A SUPPORTER OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN EVERY ZIP CODE IN OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO BUILD AS MANY HOUSING UNITS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UM TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIT IN HOUSING THAT WE HAVE, AND THEREFORE AFFORDABILITY IN RENTAL AND IN HOME OWNERSHIP. WITH THAT SAID THE ONE PLACE THAT I AM NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF HOUSING, DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN FLOODPLAINS. AND I'LL THERE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT NUMBER ONE IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND NUMBER TWO IT IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY COSTLY TO ALL OF US. GOING FORWARD BECAUSE AS RAIN EVENTS GET. MORE AND MORE SEVERE , AND WE HAVE MORE RAIN FALLING IN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.

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THEY'RE REALLY SMART PEOPLE, AND I THINK THEY HAD IN KIND OF ENGINEERED THEIR WAY OUT OF A BOX. WITH THE PREVIOUS GUIDELINES, AND I THINK EVEN THEY WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE CURRENT GUIDELINES HAVE IN A SENSE EXACERBATED THIS PROBLEM, AS OPPOSED TO GETTING AROUND THIS PROBLEM, SO IN ORDER FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE A THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION. I TOO AM NOT A HUGE FAN OF MORATORIUMS. UM THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE AND THIS IS ONE OF THE TIMES WHERE I THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE. I WILL ADDRESS ONE MORE THING. AND THAT IS I HAVE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THIS SAYING VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY WEALTHY PEOPLE TELLING EVERYONE ELSE THAT THEY DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND I DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY AT ALL. I REALLY THIS IS NOT ABOUT WEALTH AND POWER.

THIS IS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY AND WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO? AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING MY CONSTITUENTS BY EMAIL , AND I WANTED TO SAY THE EXACT SAME THING DURING THIS COMMITTEE MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I JUST RESPOND TO SOMETHING ? YES JUST JUST TO BRING UP SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED MSD COUNCILMAN OWEN. UH MSD JUST TO BE TOTALLY CLEAR. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT RELEASED THE PROPOSED IT'S UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW IT'S NOT FINAL. DOES STRENGTHEN A LOT OF THE CODE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE SHOULDN'T SHELVES AND HOW MUCH WAIVER YOU CAN GET ON STUFF. BUT MSD HAS TO BE GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP HAS ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY TO UPDATE THEIR OWN GUIDELINES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS PROCESS. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, STARTED MAKING SOME CHANGE. NOW IT WAS ONLY VERY, VERY, VERY RECENTLY.

AND I SIMILARLY WAS FRUSTRATED BY SORT OF THE PACE OF THAT CHANGE. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S TWO THINGS THEY THEIR GUIDELINES CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT COMING THROUGH COUNCIL AND THEY CAN SCRUTINIZE THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH RIGHT NOW RELATED TO THOSE NEW GUIDANCES, AND THE OTHER THING THAT IS GOING ON TO RELATE TO THE FLOODPLAIN IS THERE'S A MOVEMENT ALREADY, I BELIEVE TO UPDATE THE FLOODPLAIN. MAP FLOODPLAIN MAP IS VERY OLD. IT IS NOT CURRENT, AND THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE FUTURE OF THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ALL THAT UP, AND I JUST WANTED TO ROUND IT OUT AND ADD SOME CONTEXT AS WELL. THANK YOU. MANDATORY WOMAN. IN EVERYONE. EVERYONE HAS BEEN ON THE COUNCIL LONGTIME. NONE OF YOU ARE, BUT THEY KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN EAGLE KNOWS THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TON OF US THAT ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF MORATORIUMS. BUT HAVING SAID THAT. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUE ARGUMENT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW, WITH HAT HEATS WITH FLOODING AND PLACES THAT NEVER FLOODED, UM AND NOT ONLY THAT IT EVEN WORRIES ME THAT WE BUILD IN KARST AREAS THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE HEAVILY KARST AREAS BECAUSE YOU THINK EVERY TIME WE STICK A STICK OF DYNAMITE IN THAT CAP ROCK AND THAT LIMESTONE IT'S SEEN IT BEFORE WHERE IT DOES NOT BLOW OUT. IT JUST SIMPLY MOVES IN THE EARTH. SO WHAT HAPPENS THEN? IS GOING INTO SOME TYPE OF WATER LINES, SEWER LINE OR IS IT, UH, MAKING ANOTHER CREVICE RU FLOODING SOME WHEN BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE UNDERGROUND SPRINGS THAT COME UP AND I THINK WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING AS NICE AS THE FLOYDS FORK AREA. IT'S NOT ABOUT WEALTH . IT'S ABOUT. WELL, IT IS ABOUT WEALTH. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT'S THE WELL FOR OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE TO SEE THAT WHEN THEY GET BIGGER AND IT NOT BE OVERRUNNING AND THAT WE HAVE CREATED PROBLEMS FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO FIX. UM SO SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO YES, COUNCILMAN RENO WEBBER. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A MORATORIUM ONLY UNTIL WE PASS ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION AROUND THE POINTS WORK SPECIAL DISTRICT WHICH WE ANTICIPATE HAPPENING QUICKLY. IS THAT. SORRY I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION. SO YEAH.

SORRY BUT WE ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO PASS THIS LEGISLATION QUICKLY, AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE THINKING OF A MORATORIUM BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH IS PEOPLE COMING THROUGH AND ADMINISTRATIVELY

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I DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR INTERPRETATION, BUT THAT THIS IS A LOCAL CURRENT LANDOWNER WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. WITH THAT SAID, RIGHT. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS APPLIES TO NEW LARGE SUBDIVISIONS. IS THAT ACCURATE? TRAVIS BEECHER, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, SO I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION WITH THE PHRASE THE FREEZING USED UNDER SECTION ONE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THIS WOULD ENCOMPASS APPLICATIONS FOR REZONING. CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS PLAN CERTAIN CATEGORY TO BEING THREE DEVELOPMENT PLANS. UM, NOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER COULD YOU KNOW, PROPOSED SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO TRIGGER A TWO YEAR THREE REVIEW, BUT YEAH, MINIMAL TYPE OF EXPENSES ARE GOING TO DO THAT. UM YEAH, AND MAYBE FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION COUNSELING AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT OF IF WE CAN AVOID HAVING THE MORE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THIS INTO A POSITION WHERE WE CAN USE THE MORATORIUM AS A CLUB IF NECESSARY, BUT THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE I DO. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL ALIGNED. NO ONE THINKS MORATORIUMS ARE GOOD POLICY. HOWEVER IF WE NEED THEM IN THIS VERY SPECIFIC, VERY SHORT TERM THING TO ADDRESS THIS VERY SPECIFIC PROBLEM, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THAT TOOL. OKAY CORRECT. AND RIGHT NOW, AS I SAID, THE ADMINISTRATION IS INDICATED. THAT NOTHING. UM, IS PENDING RIGHT NOW. THAT WOULD BE UNDER REVIEW BEFORE. UM THE NEW CODE IS ADOPTED. WE CONTINUE DOWN THE CURRENT PATHWAY. WITH THAT SAID, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY . MAYBE THE C U P THINGS SO YOU KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DO THINK WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REFINE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND THEN MAYBE GO FROM THERE. BUT AGAIN. I'M NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE. I'M OPEN TO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TABLE FOR NOW, AND WE'LL FINALIZE THAT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, BUT I'VE GOTTEN STRONG COMMITMENTS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO CONTINUE MOVING THIS FORWARD. AND TO BE CLEAR TO THE TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC. THIS IS NOT THERE IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IN.

CONFIRMED IT WITH DATA IS THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING PROPOSED THAT WOULDN'T HAVE THE NEW STANDARDS APPLIED TO IT. WHICH IS WHAT THE INTENT IS, AS AS COUNCILMAN RINA WEBER INDICATED. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN P. ARGENTINA AND I THINK THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK TO MOTION TO TABLE THIS. OKAY? THAT'S A FORM OF MOTION MOTION. YEAH, PROBABLY MOVED AND SECONDED BACK. UH, COUNCILMAN BAKER AND COUNCILMAN RUI. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THAT WAS OPPOSED BY LIKE SUN HEARING. NONE. IT SHALL BE TABLED AND. WE HAVE ONE MORE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER TODAY. AS SOON AS I DIDN'T KNOW MY SCRIBBLES HERE. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON YOUR AGENDA. IT'S A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW THE METRO LAND DEVELOPMENT CO. REGULATIONS WITH REGARD TO APPLICATIONS FOR CERTAIN REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLANS. MOTION. PROBABLY MOVED BY COUNCILOR BAKER SECOND BY

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AND YEAH, RIGHT, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE CHIEF CARLSON WHEN HE WAS THE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO WOULD SEND OUT SIGNED OFF ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS BEING, YOU KNOW, MEETING FIRE CODES AND THINGS, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BIG SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL OF US THAT THOUGHT IT WAS ONE THING, AND IT TURNED AROUND TO BE A LITTLE MORE INTENSE BECAUSE IT FIT WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES, COUNCILMAN BET, SEAN THANK YOU. CHAIR UM, MAKING COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER FOR EXPLAINING THIS SO JUST I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND A LITTLE BIT OF RESERVATION ON THIS, UM. MOVING TO FIVE YEARS, I THINK WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY.

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MORE INTENSE. IN THEORY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO UNDER THAT ZONE, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN IMPROVED IF YOU HAD PROPOSED THAT MANUFACTURING USE IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT NEW CHANGE OF ZONING AND TALKING ABOUT MOVING TO A DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

JUST WITHIN WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO DO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT REALLY HIT THOSE SORT OF EDGE ZONES THAT SPAN YOU KNOW, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL HOW MUCH WORK DOES THIS ADD ON THE ALREADY SHORT STAFFED COMMISSION, TOO? TWO REGULATIONS AND OR UM. HOW MUCH BUSINESS WHERE THEY LOSE AND EASE OF APPLICATIONS. I GUESS THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY BECAUSE I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IT'S GETTING GARBLED FOR SOME REASON. SOME OF THE TIMES THAT YOU ALL TALK UM, DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS ASKING? I THINK THE QUESTION WAS JUST SORT OF WHAT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS ARE PLAYING DESIGN SERVICES. CAPABILITIES TO HANDLE THIS, AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE UM, OBVIOUSLY A COUPLE OF THEIR HAND AND LENGTHEN MOMENT BETWEEN SHORT TERM RENTAL . UM AND THE FLUIDS WORK ZERO CHANGES. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD ADD TO THAT. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTS HAVE STARTED. STAFFING LEVELS IS OR HOW LONG THIS MIGHT TAKE. I KNOW THIS IS A RELATIVELY MORE UM, NARROW CHANGE THAN SOME OF THOSE LIKE THE TWO. WE JUST GAVE HER A PRETTY LARGE EXAMPLES REALLY SIGNIFICANT REVISIONS. UM SO YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE AS HEAVY LIFT AS SOME OF THOSE, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW , STAFF ATTENTION AND A HEARING AND REVIEWS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. UM, BUT SOMEONE FROM PDS MAY BE ABLE TO BETTER SPEAK TO WHAT THEY'RE SORT OF WORKLOAD INTOLERANCES. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE TIME LIMIT ONLY ONLY GIVE WE'RE ONLY GIVING THEM 60 DAYS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING ON THIS ON THIS RESOLUTION. GO AHEAD. DIRECTOR LIU. UH, EMILY DO DIRECTOR OF PLANNING DESIGN SERVICES. UM CAPACITY HAS BEEN THE ISSUE AT THIS POINT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CAPACITY. THE PERSON WHO'S DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE FULL FOUR OLDER LAKERS FRIENDS, ONE OF THE BEST CODE WRITERS IN THE COUNTRY IS LEAVING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. YOU GIVE ME 60 DAYS I CAN GUARANTEE I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND BURNING MY STAFF OUT AND THEY ARE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM HAVE QUIT. SO I WOULD, UH LIKE COUNCILMAN, FLOOD HAS, UM, RESOLUTION. SHE TALKED ME HOW THAT IMPACT MY WORK. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WHEN YOU PROPOSE SOMETHING AMENDED AND FUNDED MANDATE, PLEASE CONSIDER OUR STAFF LEVEL . I'M REALLY BURNING THEM OUT AND THEY'RE LEAVING. I HAVE MORE THAN 20. WE CAN SAY AT THIS POINT MADAM CHAIR? YES. UM, I'M HAPPY TO AMEND THAT TIMEFRAME. AT YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BACK IN JANE, WHERE E. SO WHAT? WHAT WOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME, MISS LOU? I'M NOT SURE I HAVE TO FEEL THOSE PREDICTIONS FIRST. AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE. I CAN ADVERTISE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE APPLY. YOU KNOW, WE TOOK US TWO ADVERTISEMENTS, SOMETIMES

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AS YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO MANUFACTURING USER THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A CAT THREE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO GET HEARING IN FRONT OF DRC AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM AND THEN A COUNCIL HAS THE STANDARD GUIDING ELEMENTS COMING FROM THE COUNCIL. AS IS SO. I DON'T THINK ANY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGES NEEDED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I THINK ANY CASE THAT HAS THE STANDARD BINDING ELEMENT IS SORT OF CAPTURED HERE. THERE'S NOT AN OUTRIGHT BAN LIKE THIS ORDINANCE WOULD PROPOSE OR THIS RESOLUTION WE PROPOSE, BUT COUNCIL WOULD SEE THOSE CASES WHERE THERE IS A YOU KNOW A FULL CATEGORY YOU SHOULD SHIFT. IF I MIGHT SAY ONE OTHER SMALL NOTE ON THE 60 DAYS , SIX MONTHS, ETCETERA. THAT'S 60 DAYS HAS JUST PULLED FROM THE KRS AND WHAT CARE IS BASICALLY SAYS IS WHENEVER COUNCIL ASKS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT ANY CHANGE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODER OR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PLANNING QUESTION, OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AT MINIMUM 60 DAYS TO DO IT. SO FOR 60 DAYS COUNCIL CAN'T TOUCH IT.

BUT IT DOESN'T SAY IS AFTER 60 DAYS AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK TO US. SO YOU KNOW IF WE'RE NOT IF COUNCILS NOT IN A RUSH, THAT PLAN IS NOT IN A RUSH OR UNABLE TO FULFILL IT. THIS COULD SIT FOR THE SIX MONTHS WE'VE JUST AMENDED TO FOR TWO YEARS. NOTHING HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY, EXCEPT THAT ONCE THAT DATE HAS PASSED, COUNCIL CAN THEN GRAB IT AND TAKE IT UP FOR HIMSELF. NOW THE COMPLICATED PART IS IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT HELD A HEARING. WE ALSO HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE MUST BE A PUBLIC UNION HEARING OUT AT SOME POINT AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS, ARGUABLY THE BETTER FORUM FOR THAT, BUT MY POINT IS WHATEVER DATE IS PUT AT THE END OF SECTION ONE. FROM CARE S PERSPECTIVE. NONE OF THAT TO DROP DEAD REQUIRE SOME COUNCIL ACTION TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE MATTER OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS. HAND. UM IT'S SORT OF JUST A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FRONT. YES, MHM. UM. I HEAR THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS OVERWHELMED, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF YOU RIGHT NOW. ESPECIALLY THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, AND THE FLUIDS FOR D, R O AND THEN THIS ON TOP OF IT, UM GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT MAYBE A MORATORIUM BOTH I'M BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS WOULD BE WELCOME BECAUSE IT WOULD MAYBE ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE WORKLOAD FOR YOU ALL TO FOCUS ON. GETTING SOME THINGS OFF YOUR TO DO LIST AND I WOULD BE EXCITED TO VOTE. YES, FOR BOTH OF THOSE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. UM AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THE SHORTAGES AS DIFFICULT AS THEY ARE TO FILL I THINK A BIGGER PROBLEM IN LOUISVILLE METRO STRUGGLES WITH THIS ACROSS THE BOARD IS PAYING A COMPETITIVE WAGE. UM I'D MUCH RATHER WORK FOR MORE MONEY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR INSTEAD OF WORKING IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR FOR THE WAY IT IS. WE'RE WILLING TO PAY. UM SO I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE YOUR CAPS DIRECTOR LIU NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE'RE EXPECTING MORE FROM THESE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY KIND OF RUNNING, RUNNING ON LIMITED MANPOWER THAT WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER THE WAGES THAT WE'RE PAYING PEOPLE. UM I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN FOWLER. FOR ALL OF HER WORK ON THIS. I KNOW THAT IT'S UM IT CAN SEEM TEDIOUS, BUT I THINK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT EXISTED AND I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT . AND WHILE THIS ISN'T GLAMOROUS OR FUN, OR PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, NO NEWS CAMERAS ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS WE GO FORWARD. UM SOMETHING THAT'S VERY BLARING TO ME IS JUST THAT THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF THINGS EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN SEVEN MONTHS IN THE WORKS THAT MAYBE WE TABLE THIS TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD BE, UM AND THEN ALSO WORK ON SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE. UM THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL. BUT, UM. I HAD, UM, CHAIR FOR THAT. BUT I WAS ALSO KIND OF WONDERING IN THAT. AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN, BUT HOW MUCH OF THIS AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR TRAVIS. HOW MANY CASES WOULD THIS AFFECT? UM ESSENTIALLY SAY IN A YEAR. I HONESTLY HAVE NO IDEA AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT STATISTIC THAT STAFF TRACKS BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF CREATING A NEW METRICS SO WE DON'T HAVE NO REASON TO RECORD IT. AND I KNOW THAT IT DOES OCCUR. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW FREQUENTLY I'M SURE IT WOULD CAPTURE. I WOULDN'T. I WOULDN'T IMAGINE MORE THAN A COUPLE EVERY YEAR, AND EVEN THAT SEEMS

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFIC INSTANCE WAS BROUGHT THIS TO YOU , AND I ALSO HEAR THE PAINT AND DIRECTOR LIU OVER THERE THAT SHE'S OVERWHELMED. THE BITTER STAFF IS OVERWHELMED. AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S POSSIBLE GIVEN SOME TIME TO CRAFT SOME BINDING ELEMENTS THAT COULD THAT COULD DO THE SAME THING. AND SO I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS OKAY. I HAD ONE MORE PERSON OR NOT. ACTUALLY TWO MORE PEOPLE NOW HAD COUNCILMAN OWEN WHO CAN'T GET IN THE QUEUE, BUT HE HAD HIS HAND UP IN FRONT OF COUNCILMAN BET, SEAN. SO HE'S NEXT. I'M GONNA BE VERY QUICK. I WERE. WE HAVE A VERY INTERESTING ZONING PROCESS TO BEGIN WITH, AND THAT ITS PLANNED CERTAIN AND SO I CAN'T COMPARED TO MOST CITIES. WE ALREADY HAVE WAY MORE CONTROL OVER THIS TYPE OF THING THAN MOST CITIES, AND MOST PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU TO HAVE DESIGN APPLY HUSBAND PLAN UP FIRST WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GO FOR A ZONING CHANGE IS ALREADY WAY MORE ONEROUS THAN IT IS IN THOSE CITIES. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE JUST NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY AND WHAT THAT MAKES WHAT THAT WILL DO FOR US GOING FORWARD AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND PEOPLE WANTING TO DO BUSINESS HERE. DOWN SOMEONE BACK HOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HAVE, UH, A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THEM SHORT. I'LL ASK THE FIRST ONE TO DR LOSE AND THEN, UM, FOLLOW UP WITH A QUESTION TO COUNCILMAN VALOR, BUT. LULU TOO. DON'T YOU AFFECT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD LOSE POSSIBLY TWO MORE POSITIONS WITH THE LACK OF REVENUE THAT WOULD COME IN AND THOSE APPLICATIONS? SORRY I DIDN'T CRACK AT YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LOSING TWO PROJECTIONS OR ADDING TO PRODUCING WITH THEIR BE A LACK OF REVENUE TO COME INTO YOUR DEPARTMENT, UM, BYPASSING SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT STOPS UM. POSSIBLY YES. DEPENDS ON WHAT IMPACT IS IF WE THE DEVELOPED A LOT OF DEVOLVED CANNOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE FEE UH THE, UH, WAS SUBMITTED OFFICE IS PART OF REVENUE RIGHT NOW WILL GENERATE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THAT, SO THAT'S SUBSIDIZE THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE MORE REVENUE WE GENERATE THE LESS RELIANCE OUR DEPARTMENT WILL BE. ON THE GENERAL FUNDS, POSSIBLY YES. LESS CASES MEANS LESS REVENUE. THAT PERCENTAGE IS WELL ABOUT 10. I THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE. IF THIS MOVE FORWARD I HAVE TO DO COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS. I CANNOT PICK A NUMBER FROM THE AIR. WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER. LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES A DOING, AND THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT. YOU REALLY WHEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATION, WE WANT TO MAKE A THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE. DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER AT THIS MOMENT. THANK YOU MANAGE CHERRIES IT OKAY IF I ASK COUNSEL TO QUESTIONS, PLEASE. LAST LAST ONE QUESTION BECAUSE WE ARE LIKE, TWO MINUTES TILL SO WE HAVE TO VE TIME TO TABLE OR GOTCHA. UM WHAT OTHER PURE CITIES COUNCILWOMAN HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, CINDY. I SAID, I DO NOT KNOW. HOW MANY PEER CITIES THAT THIS AFFECTS OR HAS ANYTHING LIKE THIS? THAT THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY. CAN YOU STOP BECAUSE WE'VE LOST YOUR VIGIL YOUR VISUAL NOW. OKAY? WAIT A MINUTE. HERE WE GO. I THINK YEAH. THANK YOU, OK? UM AS I WAS SAYING. THAT TIM TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN OUR END OF TOWN.

UM, COUNCILMAN LASHAUN. THERE HAVE BEEN THREE CASES IN THE 10 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL

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AND IF WE'RE GONNA LET SHORTAGES OF, UM. WORKERS PERSONNEL IN OUR DEPARTMENT. STOP US FROM DOING THE RIGHT THING. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE. UM BUT I'M REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IT. WE ARE GIVING THESE BAD PLAYERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. WITHOUT YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY ANY MEASURES AT ALL TO STOP THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOST IN THE TABLE. SECONDED. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TABLE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? PLEASE SECONDS. VOTE YES. UM SO, WITH THE TIMEFRAME ON THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, IS THAT GOING THIS RESOLUTION? UH SIX MONTHS APPROACHING. WILL THAT AFFECT ANYTHING? I'LL HAVE TO LET THE CLERK ANSWER THAT IT CAN BE REINTRODUCED. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT WAS THE TIME. OH IT'S STILL A COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND HE, UM OKAY AT THE NEXT OKAY? OKAY THANK YOU. UM ALL OF PROBABLY MOVING A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CHAPEL AND COUNSELING BANKER AT THE TABLE ON FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AH, LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE. THE MOTION CARRIES IT WILL BE TABLED, UM AND WITHOUT OBJECTION. THIS MEETING IS OVER AND WE'LL MEET IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU.

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